Hometown Horrors (pt 1)

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 In our debut two-part episode, we dive deep into the stories of two of Spokane’s most notorious serial killers.

On July 24, 2017, Donna Perry was sentenced to life without parole for the murder of three sex workers back in 1990. However, at that time, she was Douglas Perry. And that body count is believed to be much, much higher. 

Up until April 18, 2000, Robert Lee Yates had spent the last 25 years of his life as a stand-up family man, while hiding a dark and sinister secret. Over the span of two decades, Robert had claimed the life of at least 13 people. His chaos finally caught up to him when he was arrested for one of the murders, and the rest unraveled from there. 

Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard-of cases.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

911, what is your emergency? I'm just not a body. I don't know what to do. Government officials. You are listening to Nightcap, a true crime podcast where we drink a little. Okay, maybe a lot, and deep dive into horrific murders, sinister crimes, and unsolved mysteries.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

Each week, we will take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard of cases.

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Including authentic reactions from rotating co-hosts and insight from trained professionals to give you a real forensic look into true crime.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Be warned. This podcast does contain the content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion is deaf. What's up? Welcome to Nightcap, everybody. It's our very first episode ever that we've ever made. So if you're listening to this, we appreciate the hell out of you. I'm gonna start out by introducing myself. My name is Susie.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

I'm Gavin.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

And I'm Brittany. And Gavin and I were sitting here chilling in Spokane, Washington, which is where our first cases reside in, actually. But our homegirl, Britt, you're where are you sitting at, girl?

SPEAKER_04 1:18

I am in Portland, Oregon. So so close, yep, so far. So far. We wish you were here with us. Ah, I'll kind of sit on your lap soon. Yeah, I I want that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Our very first episode is Hometown Horrors, based right here in Spokane. And I'm going to give you some information about Spokane. Spokane sits right next to the Washington, Idaho border, and its population is about 217,000 residents. It's the second biggest city in Washington state. A lot of people don't know this, but Spokane is actually the birthplace of Father's Day. If you're into sports ball, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

I know it's over the city. I didn't know it had a birthday search in your own city.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

I've been here in 25 years. I had no idea. Okay, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

So if you're into sports ball, you may have heard the name Gonzaga Bulldogs thrown around. They're from one of our local colleges, Gonzaga University. Spokane is quite known for our river that runs directly through downtown and the majority of our city. The Spokane Falls is one of the largest urban waterfalls in the United States. And Spokane's Riverfront Park was once home of the World's Fair in 1974. Also, this famous singer Bing Crosby was raised in Spokane.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Yeah, we got his theater.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Dow Tell, because I sure fucking didn't. I didn't know any of this, obviously. Yeah. Well I'd like besides the Gonzaga part.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

I thought I thought they just uh named the theater after him out of town.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Right? Seriously. And we just don't know. Who was a singer? Oh grew up here. Alright. So let's get started with our cases. I am going to go first.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

So Gavin's gonna dive right in, you guys. He lost, he lost the draw. I did lose. We we kind of rock like we're scissors. Lost it. It was exactly. I was like it was it was confusing, but Gavin he lost and won, so he gets to go first. And we are and read his case first.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Alright, guys. My case begins in early 1990 in Spokane, literally early 1990. So my victims. The victims in this case were three sex workers who regularly worked on Sprague Avenue, a popular watering hole for sex workers and cruising Johns, not far from downtown. The victims, 26-year-old Yolanda Sapp, 34-year-old Nikki Lowe, and 38-year-old Kathleen Brisbos. Police weren't able to charge their killer for 27 years.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

What?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Yep. 27 months.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

It took them that long. Like they didn't. Well, I'm sure you'll tell them that's never mind.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Oh yeah, I'm gonna tell you all.

SPEAKER_04 4:00

Wait, but I need to know now.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

20 questions, real quick. Yolanda Sapp was last seen February 21st, 1990, by her boyfriend Darrell Thomas. Thomas told police that she had gone out to prostitute and make money. Her body was found down a steep embankment next to the Spokane River on the morning of February 22nd. She was completely nude and bound by the ankles by a green blanket. The killer made no attempt whatsoever to cover her body. Next to her body was a flora blanket with Yolanda's blood on it. An autopsy was done and medical examiner found that she had cuts and scrapes as well as three gunshot wounds to her chest. Forensics analyzed the gunshot wounds and concluded that Yolanda was shot with a 22 caliber gun. Unfortunately, no witnesses and little evidence, detectives were unable to put any suspects on the table. One month later, under the Green Street Bridge, the body of 34-year-old Nikki Lowe had been found. Her body had been draped over the guardrail. She was found with her pants pulled down to her knees and her shirt had been pulled up, exposing her breasts.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

And he left her like that? Yeah. Like he didn't like just strip her near to you, just like he just like, nope, sloppily was like, I'm gonna halfway put on your pants and just pull up your shirt to see your titties and leave you like that? Pretty much.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

How far, uh, since I don't know where any of that is, how far apart are those uh locations?

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Oh, but that's probably about like uh a mile and a half, two miles.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

That's what's right nearby. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Yeah. All of these, all of these women were found very, very close to the river and only just a couple miles apart of each other. Wow. Yeah. So let's see here. Marks on her backside suggested Nikki had been dragged and placed on the guardrail, so he just put her up there. Detectives found a single fatal gunshot wound to her chest.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Oof.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Again, the gunshot wound wound was that of a 22 caliber weapon. Further analysis would find that she was fully dressed when she was shot, and the markings on her brut markings and bruisings on her body occurred after her clothes had been disheveled. Several days later, investigators were notified that several of Nikki's belongings had been found in a dumpster on Sprague. And Sprague is literally, it's not very far from the river whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

No, that's like a couple blocks, yeah, isn't it? Like you cross the bridge, a green street bridge, and it's like two or three blocks going down to Vision.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

In the dumpster, they found her wallet containing her driver's license, a sweater, a pair of blue tennis shoes, and a tube of lubricant. It was noted that the dumpster was relatively empty, and it was assumed that the items were all dumped together. Forensics were able to lift a fingerprint off the tube of lubricant, and the fingerprint was entered into evidence. The killer took a short break and returned to kill another sex worker, Kathleen Brisbos, two months later. Kathleen's body was found down an embankment next to the river in the late afternoon of May 15th, 1990. Similar to Yolanda's case, no attempt was made to cover the body. The area above where Kathleen's body was found had been disturbed. Multiple articles of clothing were strewn about, along with clumps of hair and blood droplets along a very popular pathway called the Centennial Trail.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

What? She's littered the Centennial Trail like that? Like no attempt to clean it up after you dump the body.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

He did not give one fuck.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

Sure, is that like a that's like a zero killer flower girl that's like And we'll get there. Sure, we'll hear.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

I promise we'll get hair.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Okay, sorry, bad metaphor, but that's what Paul Gene.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

It just picture the most like macabre wedding ever.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

This indicated to investigators that Kathleen had put up a fight, but unfortunately she did not win. An autopsy of her body revealed that she had been struck up to eight times, resulting in skull fractures and three broken ribs. She had been shot three times, once in the head, chest, and right shoulder. Oh my god. It's I know it's unclear of like the sequence of all of these injuries.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Yeah, which shot like killed her the order that they were in. Because that was different than the other two. He just shot the other two in the chest, right? So this was the one that was the oddball out.

SPEAKER_04 8:18

Well, and the second one, you said that she was clothed when she was shot, but then was found partially nude. So he cool. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Just just were recovered, and of course, were found to be at 22 caliber. Thankfully, for it at the site. I think it's a small bullet.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Pretty sure that's right because tiny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Yeah. It's a little chodka. Apparently uh big enough to kill somebody. Oh no. So forensics were able to collect her fingernails and entered them into evidence. Thank God. Because this was 1990. This was, you know, pretty early on in the DNA.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Wait, like off of her body or like next to her body?

SPEAKER_01 9:06

No, she eclipped her fingernails off and tipped them in evidence. So it was pretty clear to Spokane investigators that there was the serial killer on loose. And this person had a very strong dislike for sex workers. The killer had a very clear pattern. Detectives had a very, very long list of suspects, about 700 deep, including a Green River killer and Robert Lee Yates, which we will be getting to. Yates was taking a right due to the fact that he was in the military and not in Spokane at the time. No charges were brought up due to the lack of evidence in these two murders. Or three murders. Shitballs. For decades, the killer would evade investigators until DNA evidence was able to establish the connection. In 1990, the FBI created a DNA database program to aid investigators with searchable DNA profiles. The database contained data of convicted offenders as well as another database for missing persons and forensic samples collected from crime scenes. This database was named CODIS, Combined DNA Index System. By 1998, CODIS had been implemented on a national level in all 50 states. Back to the timeline. So in 2004, the case had remained cold but not forgotten. This was over a decade later. The case had was handed down to a new detective, James Dresbeck. Dresbeck sent the fingernail clippings from Kathleen's case to a lab in Marysville, Washington, and six months later, a full profile was developed. The profile came back as that of an unidentified male. With a new lead, investigators turned to CODIS. Samples from twelve suspects were tested against the DNA profile, and unfortunately, none of them were found to be a match. Damn. Now this is where shit gets crazy. So the suspect. Douglas Robert Perry, later known as Donna Rebecca Perry, was born February 26, 1952. Perry was raised in Omack, Washington, a few hours west of Spokane. Background information was very hard to find, so I was only allowed just like a little bit from like his growing up and whatnot. So Perry's childhood was pretty rough as expected. Perry's father passed away in 1969, and their mother was admitted to a psychiatric facility and diagnosed with schizophrenia. Where the past filled the turmoil, Perry turned to an obsession with guns and weapons. At some point, Perry relocated to Spokane, and judging by the arrest records, like I'm assuming it was sometime in the late 80s, but I couldn't really pinpoint it down. So Perry was no stranger to law enforcement. Perry had quite a rap sheet and had been arrested many times between 74 and 2012. And uh fucking buckle up, cuz holy crap. Harry was arrested several times for second degree assault in 74 and 88. Perry was found guilty of a dangerous weapons violation in 86. During a search of Perry's home, police found five pipe bombs, 49. And 20,000 motherfucking rounds of ammunition. 20,000. 20,000. Who the fuck needs 20,000 rounds of ammunition? So they weren't even know what that was.

unknown 12:32

What?

SPEAKER_03 12:33

I don't only feel three, or did were you planning on another like 19,997, or what?

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Don't you care Perry's arrest record style there? Probably. One of Perry's girlfriends was a sex worker herself, and we'll get to her later. Because when I found that information, it was pretty sketchy, and I wasn't really, there wasn't a lot of information, but I ended up digging pretty deep and got down to it. But state caseworkers would end up concluding that Perry had a deeply seated hatred for women and sex workers, and also was a misogynist. Surprise, surprise.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Trifecta. It's a perfect trifecta.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Was that girlfriend who was a sex worker? Was that before or after the murders? No, during the murders, and she was a sex worker. Oh. I was thinking maybe it was before, and like she scorned him or something.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

Well, he must have just really liked her. Yeah, that happened. Like, you're my favorite one. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

So we we'll get there, I promise. She's she's in here. She plays an interesting part. So Perry was very good at deception. Perry was seen helping sex workers, even feeding them and gaining their trust. Perry was again arrested in 1994 for unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition. Surprise, surprise. Being a convicted felon prohibits one from owning or possessing firearms of any kind. Duh. ATF agents noted that Perry was extremely knowledgeable about firearms and very protective of the ones in his possession, referring to them almost as if they were alive.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Did he like name them?

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I don't know, but this ATF agent dude, like he had a whole blurb about it, and it was like it was pretty creepy. So Perry was incarcerated in Oregon from January 1995 until October 1997. After only a year of Perry's release in December of 1998, a sex worker by the name of Valerie, who had been to Perry's home, called police and reported she had seen an armory of guns, knives, and crossbows.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Oh man. I know. Gee, snitches get stitches, girl.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Valerie informed police that she or that Perry had told her not to worry. He wasn't going to hurt her. Oh he liked the.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Oh, he liked that makes it all better.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

She told police there were mannequins and crossbows and weapons and things everywhere in his house. Everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

It's pretty normal home decor. Or a sea tress, I don't know. Well, I'm actually looking into buying mannequins though. I was gonna say mannequins.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

I don't I I'm not judging.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Maybe just a little. I have no desire to get 20,000 bullets or a crossbow, though. So come in the clear.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

So Valerie was able to give police a clear description of Perry's car and home. And police were very quickly able to uh track Perry down, of course, near Sprague. When police questioned Perry, Perry told them, I was only in the area because I wanted to help the sex workers get off the street.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Oh, he's that's just not eye. We so young in.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

I just oh police searched Perry's vehicle and found papers written by a psychologist that stated Perry had a gender psychosis disorder that states Perry does not like females, along with printouts on gender transition.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

That's very confusing.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

I really like to like, yeah, those two don't go hand in hand with each other. So yeah, I might was some like I don't know. Is right is that some self-deep-rooted hatred for himself that he was like, I hate women, but I also hate myself for doing this. So maybe I would want to trans I'll not a psychologist, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

That's very like uh anger at women, you know, like because they're just biologically women and like just a secret, you know, I don't know, hatred because yeah, and either like a desiring like a woman, like I want to be woman, so I'm mad at women for being women, or yeah, exactly. I need to to become a woman.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Yeah, definitely. I think that I could it could go both ways, or it could be not even relevant at all. He could just be psychotic and y'all just wait, okay?

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Y'all this way, there's more. Apparently, I'm the kind of person that yells out like it's gonna end this way at the movies.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Yeah, not like stop stab earning it for so around 1994, Perry began to identify as a woman and carried on relationships with women and men, carrying on both personas as a woman and a sex worker. Wow, I know, I know. So Perry struggled with gender identity for many years, and in 2000, Perry decided it was time to address the gender identity issues, straight up disappeared off the radar and flew to Thailand. It was in Thailand that Perry underwent gender reassignment surgery. Douglas Perry became Donna Perry. It's a lot cheaper in Thailand, I hear. And from here on out, I will refer to Donna as Donna with female and her and she pronouns. So it's it was just really difficult to get to this progression because of how everything works out. So I don't mean to offend anybody. So even after multiple arrests, Perry could not overcome her obsession with firearms. Perry was arrested again in Tonto in Spokane Valley by the ATF for yet again. Another unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition. Authorities searched Perry's home and recovered 12 firearms and another loud large amount of ammunition. Jeez, like for real. Like you couldn't just give it up because if literally, if you could have just like stopped buying guns and shit, you wouldn't have got caught for any of this. Like it's just it blows my willing.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

I mean, I said it was a kickoffer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Just blows my absolute mind. So in so Perry was convicted and sentenced to 18 months, only 18 months in a federal prison. After like what, this is like the third time. Yeah, I having guns, you know.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

I feel like you get more time if you do like a second DUI at this point in time. Dang it. We are liberal, like fucking guns.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

I don't give a fuck if you have your guns, but like if you've been arrested because you assaulted people with your guns, you probably like you know, come on, let's just not stop guns, like just don't.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

And especially if you killed people with guns. It's a it's the hobby, Gavin.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Anyhow. So in 2012, it's now a federal requirement. If a person is convicted of a felony, the felon must provide a sample of DNA. And around this time, CODIS gets a hit, and the DNA profile matches with that of Donna Perry. Dang, turning point. So as the case warms up, Detective Dresback is on it. Investigators traced guns found in Perry's home from 1994 and in 2012 and found that several had originally been purchased by two brothers, Bruce and Mark Massingale. Detectives interviewed the brothers and found that they were close friends of Perry's before and after Perry's gender reassignment. Perry had even lived with Bruce for a minute. So they were pretty tight. During the interview, investigators found that Perry had lived with a woman named Claire Ann Galloway, and it is suspected that Galloway was Perry's girlfriend in 1990.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Oh, is this where it looks back around?

SPEAKER_01 21:07

That's where the girlfriend. So Perry and Galloway had a very peculiar relationship, and I couldn't find a whole lot of details about it. However, coincidentally, Galloway was arrested and taken into custody February 21st, the day before Yolada's body was found. And then again, March 25th, the day after Kathleen's body was found. And I know. Okay. It's very odd. Investigators speculated that Harry had also robbed the women as well as murdered them and used the money to bail Galloway out of jail.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

Oh my god. Awful. Like we're back to speak.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

It's veritism at its finance like, no, fuck her, fuck her, you're cool. Fuck her.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

That's just strange. So Mark Massingale told investigators that Galloway had been arrested several times, and Perry, who was living on state benefits at the time, always found the money to bail her out. Perry ended up back in Spokane County jail, being held there as a federal inmate. Detectives James Dresbeck and Spokane police detective Mark Burbridge arranged a visit to Perry at the jail, and this was around 2012. So, like some somewhere later in the year. They've obviously have kind of caught on. Like the code is hit, like this is this is how far are we from the murders at this point? Like when all this stuff is happening from when it starts like the murders started in the early 1990s, like the first four months of 1990. Of 1990.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

And this is in like 2000. Okay. So yeah, thinking you're like set, you know, like, all right, cool, I did it. Like, he must have been shading his pants when they took his DNA. And in 2012, like, oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Too told after that long, you're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm golden. Well, don't worry, it gets more weird.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Oh yay. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So during this visit, which was practically just kind of like, I need to get DNA from you and ask you some questions. So detectives told Perry that they had been working on an old case and wanted to see if Perry could help them with the cases. They also served Perry with a search warrant for DNA. Perry was read her rights and stated, I should probably have an attorney here if you're going to question me about something.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Oh, that's fishy.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Oh yeah. Only innocent people say that. We all you watch the video, like the actual interview, police interview video, like it is real frustrating because you can tell that she like she's not trying, or she might be trying too hard to detect. So like she kept acting shocked and confused as to why you know they were pursuing her. I can't believe it. Anyhow, detectives collected the DNA via a buckle swab, which is like a um a cheek swab, and told me no. I had to look up buckle swabs. I'm like, what the hell is a buckle swab?

SPEAKER_03 24:16

See, and then I'm sitting over here with okay. I thought you said butthole swabs, and I was like, that seems really fucking advice. DNA, but we're taking it straight from the source. A buckle swab would give you a whole bunch of other DNA.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Oh my god. Hey, don't eat steak. I'm not a fig if I eat steak.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Give me your whole your gut biome and everything. Oh my lie. Well, that was so anyhow. My bad, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

So detectives collect the DNA. They tell they tell her that they're going to tape up the sample box and they'd be back with a copy of the warrant. They gave Perry a short break and left the room. When they returned minutes later, Perry became very agitated and stated she needed a lawyer or someone to explain what was actually going on. Detectives then gave Perry a brief description of the old crimes and the CODIS hit that led them to their conclusion. Perry asked the detectives why they wanted her DNA. Burbridge informed her that they had a warrant for first degree murder and they believe Perry had information about it. Perry continued to act confused and said she had millions of questions. But little did Perry know, the detectives already had all the answers they needed in the DNA sample they collected that day.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

So at that point they weren't telling her that she was like a confirmed suspect. They pretty much knew. But it sounds like they didn't tell her. That's why she was like, I need an attorney, I don't know what's going on. Like, did they straight say that you're a fucking suspect right now?

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Because the problem was here is that she kept saying that she needed an attorney. She was already read her rights. And so that like they they weren't comfortable. I'll get to that, they weren't really comfortable going into like specific details.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

So um wait, so is that some kind of violation though? Like if she had said in the first place, like I want an attorney, and then they kept asking her questions, is that a violation? Because I feel like that should be a violation.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

It's more so she's asking questions. So she's not stating that she needs a lawyer right now. They have already given like read her Miranda rights and they do it again. So this is where the shit gets real. So because of Perry insisting on needing an attorney present or detectives were uncomfortable interviewing Perry any further, they told her that they would give her some time to finish up her soda and would be back to take her back to jail. Which I feel like was a total like was a tactic. Like there was a way, like, you know, she's finally afforded to like sit in another room, you know, away from her cell and whatnot, away from people, and she gets a soda and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

Yeah, and they're like, finish your soda, girl, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yeah, like we're at storing it back in the clink. So Dreznback and Burbage returned. Drezback gave Perry his business card and told her if she wanted to talk, she could let him know. Perry again told the detectives how upset she was, also asking the detectives to give her their gun and one round so that she could finish it. So now I'll kill myself. I get things. Yep. An admission of guilt. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Oh wait.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

No, what is she finishing? She will continue to beat around the bush. So Perry was clearly ready to talk-ish. So after being read her rights again, detectives got down to business. Perry told them I did pick up prostitutes, yes, but I always let them out, and they were alive and well when I let them out. Detectives also showed Perry 13 photographs, one at a time, of known sex workers who worked the streets in the early 90s. Mixed in with the photographs were photos of all three victims. Perry proclaimed to not have known or seen any of the victims or women except for Galloway. So that was the only person that she claimed to recognize.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

When detective that's the girlfriend. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

When detective showed Perry the photos of Yolanda, she made it a point to disclose that she never dated black girls. Which yeah. You're racist. Perry kept up denials stating, I'm not going to admit I killed anybody. I didn't. Donna has killed nobody. And Burbridge responded with, so Doug did.

SPEAKER_03 28:27

Oh shit. Oh shit. Comes a split personality to sort out his spineets. Me? No. Doubt that really Donna.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

And Harry replied, I don't know if Doug did or not. It's 20 years ago. And I have no idea whether he did or didn't. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

Well, that's a solid plea of insanity. I mean, if you're gonna ride that train, you ride that all the way to insanity because that's what she sounds like at this point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

She was seen fit to stand trial because they went through the whole trial. Wow. Even though claiming all of that. Yep. So Burbridge told Perry that people who kill multiple people over periods of time genuinely, generally don't stop killing. He asked Perry why the killing stopped, and she said Douglas didn't stop, Donna stopped it. Perry also stated that since the sex change operation, she is paranoid and emotional, but won't hurt anybody, and that the sex change was a way to permanently control any violence. That's wild. Yeah, and sketchy as fuck, which really fucking pisses me off.

SPEAKER_04 29:37

Yeah. Okay. Like it's like part of me can like almost like I mean, if you're, you know, not all there mentally, I guess part of me could see how that would like make sense. You know, like I don't know. Yeah, like I could see how someone like try to justify that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

I mean it's like she almost like put her past self into like Donna Boot Camp and was like, that's not a thing anymore. Like justified it in her own head. No, I don't know. Yeah, that's bizarre. That is so fucking bizarre. Oh, just wait.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

All right. There is more. It gets better.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

So the buckle swab was sent off to the Washington State Patrol Crime Lab and checked against the original DNA evidence found from the scenes. The sample was compared to the profile from obtained from the DNA, found underneath Kathleen's fingernails, and found that it was a perfect match. The odds were one in 796 till Perry was their killer.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Oh my.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah, there's no mission she had. Like, boom. So the profile was also a match to DNA found on the floral blanket next to Yolanda. And Perry's fingerprint would be an exact match found to that on the tube of lube. On the Lewis bottle in Nikki Lowe's case. So during the interview with Perry, she confirmed that she had drove a 1969 international scout in the 90s. Detectives were able to track down the vehicle even after it had traded hands several times. Get this motherfuckers. Under the front passenger floor mat laid a single 22 caliber cartridge. Shut the fuck up. I like so the car tab is all in signs of corrosion and was taken into evidence given the fact that it was the same caliber used in the murders, and none of the previous owners recalled ever owning a 22 caliber weapon. Yeah, because this is like 20 some odd years later. And I mean, who like if you go up shootings like a gun change or uh whatnot, like you know, your casual shootings? Like you don't pick up your fucking showcasings and like put them in your car. I mean, it is shitty to do, but I mean people just don't. Well, you shouldn't. You should actually dispute them pride. Lily, if you're listening, you should care about the memory. So this is where shit gets even more fucking crazy. So in June of 2013, so not too long after that interview, detectives go down to Fort Worth, Texas, and interview one of her fellow inmates, her cellmate, Shiro Everson. Perry had taken a liking to Everson and had confided to her cellmate that she had killed nine sex workers while quote unquote taking care of business.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

Oh great every day.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

Oh my god. Perry Perry, you're here. Tom jokes.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Perry later claimed to have killed between 20 and 30 people. Everson also claimed that Perry told her that becoming a woman was a disguise to take the heat off of her, that an elderly lady with mental illness would never get caught. Holy shit. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

So fucking gross.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

So fucking gross. I figured it out. I figured it out. I got the way. No.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Pusses me off to no end. Oh, that's fucked. Other statements from Everson would include that Perry claimed to be a contract killer and knew a lot about guns, which was obviously evident. And Perry had evidently exposed that she had killed these women because she couldn't breed, and the women had the ability to have children, and they were wasting it being pawn scum.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

Holy Yeah, you won you won that round, Brittany. All right.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Perry claimed that she didn't bury the women she killed. She just shot them dead, and it was someone else's job to bury them.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

That's why she left. But why transport the body that boy? Why not leave them where you shot him? I don't think she didn't transport.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

I think she literally we'll get hold on. So the Everson told detectives that she the victims were killed in a vehicle near a river and then kicked out of the vehicle and left behind.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

Oh my god. But that the other female was like thrown across the guardrail.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

So I personally think, and this is just speculation, that he took them to these areas and like I'm assuming, you know, had sex with them, did whatever it was that they did, and then killed them. Because none of them were except for like, I mean, obviously Nikki, like she was draped over a guardrail. Like yeah, just literally like thrown out, like whatever backside and like her buttocks and her legs, like concluded that it happened after she had been shot and killed. So like he took them to a specific location and then killed them and then just left them there. Which is crazy because other people do it otherways, but yeah, so Harry also claimed that she knew how to dispose of evidence and told Everson law enforcement had unknowingly destroyed some of the firearms used to commit the murders.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Um this is we're still throwing our shit into an empty dumbbell type of scenario chalking everything. But I dispose of the weapon properly, so I'm close. But you know, like, hey, I use that one, but they burned it. So I touched the loot bottle with my bare hand, but I got rid of the gun, so try to catch me now. We good.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Everson would eventually testify in court against Perry, and there there was no like um no benefits for Everson to testify. Like she didn't get anything out of it. She did it, like at her own free will. I don't know, yeah, her own free will. Wow. So when Perry was flown back to Spokane for trial, she told officers during the flight, I'm never going to get out of this. And instead of jail, I hope they send me to Eastern State Hospital. I'm not violent now. Oh what? Okay. Okay. So throughout the trial, Perry would continue to hold tight to the notion that Donna didn't kill anyone. Douglas did. But the evidence was undeniable, and nothing Perry could say could change the fact that DNA doesn't lie. No amount of denial could turn this case in any other direction. And on July 24th, 2017. Oh my god. 27 fucking years. A jury of repeers found Donna Rebecca Perry guilty of three counts of first-degree murder and sentenced her to three consecutive life sentences in prison. Huck. So I would like to state that the actions of Perry are in no way a reflection of the transgender community. Perry is just a garbage ass fucking human being. Slightly. And it is it's not clear whether or not Perry like had wanted to become a woman or just used it to her advantage. And it's fucked up, like seriously fucked up. Learning more about this case pissed me off to no end. Especially when I found um the interview with her soulmate when she had made those statements. Just infuriating. But I'm pretty sure there are a whole fuck ton of psychological issues at hand.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

I mean, it could be in there just look at her, look, look at her mother, you know? Like was that passed down? Was it like childhood trauma? You never know. Like the whole thing is fucked. I'm looking at pictures.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Oh snap. That was and Donna. Sorry, I'm a visual uh learner. Gotta see everything. Very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

So fucking mind blowing because it's like, I mean, I mean, you kind of like sugar me in on this case a little bit earlier, like not a lot of detail or whatever, but like without like the proper confession, like just the cop out of like, it wasn't me, Donna, it was Douglas, you know, like you I feel like the like the victim's families and friends and stuff like that, like we would have never really gotten like that for sure closure of being, yeah, okay, you know, she admitted to these crimes, and then she is like sorrowful and apologetic and like all this shit. She was just literally like, nope, well, it'sn't me. I don't know. I don't really know. Like, where did this leaf would open like that? Like, that's so kind of it's just it's fucked up in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

I don't know. Like Lily, like one of my most frustrating parts about this case was the fact that like we don't have this story, like Donna's side of the story, like she never confessed, so we don't know what actually took place. And it was like everything I got was all from like court documents, and so what the police had concluded and like their evidence, and it was like, I want to know the other side of the story, all like uh, if it's frustrating, but no, should to this day she still holds tight to that. Like, I killed nobody, even though she admitted to her cellmate, supposedly.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

I mean, I guess, yeah, like that's just so like why do you I I when you hear that in stories where it's like, oh well, they admitted to their cellmate, like in what world are you still thinking like they're not gonna say anything about it? Like, you know, like I just And you're already doing the triumph. So like yeah, exactly. Why not?

SPEAKER_03 39:20

Like repent for your sins, bitch. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

Yeah, because clearly she's not, you know, like so convinced in her mind, like, you know, pathological liar that she like she knows that she did it, she's not denying it to some people.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

It's like, yeah, it's uh well, and like plotting to admit that she had changed her gender in like all that, like, because you almost want to be like empathetic to a certain extent with like mental cases with mental health, because you're like, is there a really something like underlying underneath, like the psychological barrier of the brain or whatever? But to admit it to your cellmate and then turn around and be like, Oh yeah, no, I have no idea. You're just like the yeah, garbage human being, just straight garbage human being. There's no excuse for that. Yeah, that's just awful. Well, I'm glad we're all in like gagging agreements.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

All right. Thank you for tuning into Hometown Horrors Part One.