Hazing Horrors

That's right! We're BACK! Join us for our second season of Nitecap True Crime. This episode is all about hazing, college can be crazy, and dangerous, but so can work. 

Transcript

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911, what is your emergency? I just found a body. I don't know what to do. Government officials can hit the bit an isolated anything.

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Hi guys. Welcome back. I'm Susie. Holy shit. It's been a minute, and that is our bad, but we're back with a vengeance.

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And I'm Brittany. Life has been pretty crazy for all of us. Susie popped out a baby. I've been waxing a lot of genitals, and Gavin's still eating.

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I didn't pop out a baby baby. I had it very viciously cut out of me. Just saying.

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Susie had a baby ripped from her room. Thank you.

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Yes. I did a lot.

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Wow.

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Yeah, getting off to a great start, guys. Look, we're a little rusty.

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Like the knife they used to cut out the baby. Who are you? Um, I'm Gavin. Typical. I hope you guys are ready for this season. We're coming in hot. Tonight we're covering hazing horrors, and we've got some new voices. Boys, introduce yourselves.

SPEAKER_07 1:46

Well, I guess that's my cue. My name's Hardy, and uh, if you didn't catch it, I like to party. That's my rhymes. Yeah.

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Um little do you know Hardy's been here the whole time, but now he's on the mic.

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I I've been in the background listening to all the shenanigans the whole time.

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And now he's live. And now I'm live. Welcome, Hardy.

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Thank you.

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Or what do they say at AA? Hi, Hardy.

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Hi, Hardy. Oh caster.

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He's just been behind the curtains. It's fine. Yeah. Speaking of behind the curtain, we have uh this is Johnny coming in hot from Arizona. Just coming in for the uh inaugural nightcap cherry pop.

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Appreciate you guys for having me.

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Johnny is my brother. And he's on and doing commentary tonight. So I hope you like it. If you don't, you have to fucking deal with it anyway. Like I love you.

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It's fine.

SPEAKER_07 2:41

Sorry. We have to deal with them also. Sorry, thank you.

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Sorry, thank you. Sorry, thank you.

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I I am also doing commentary tonight because I did not prepare a case. So yeah, procrastination station over here, train pulling in. Choo choo.

SPEAKER_11 2:56

Ooh, I got a train too in my case.

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So Hardy has a big boy job, it's fine. I deal. He's doing a lot.

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But y'all, you know us, and we can't talk about true crime without some drinks. Or I guess. Oh, awkward. Never mind, Brittany.

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I guess what are you drinking? I mean, it's still a drink. It's just fair. Okay, so I've been waiting six and a half years to have crumbly beer again. Because it's not that good, but I still really like having it in the fall. And so well being finally put out a non-alcoholic pumpkin ale. So I bought a lot of it and I'm gonna need to drink it.

SPEAKER_07 3:36

Is well being the brand?

SPEAKER_09 3:38

Yeah, I'll show you. No one else is gonna see, but I'll show you.

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So are you drinking a are you drinking a PSB right now?

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There we go.

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A PSB, a pumpkin spice beer. I am an N a P S N A B N A P S B. N A P S B S B forever. Now anyways. Just okay. What are you drinking?

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Oh, just a couple of Vizzies. I know I'm just I'm kind of deficient in vitamin C right now. So just changing it up.

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For those who don't know, the Vizzies are the ones with antioxidants and vitamin C. Made with real cane sugar, not that diet soda bullshit.

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Acerola. Health kick. It's from the areola superfruit.

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Areola? The acerola. The acerola superfruit.

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The nipple superfruit.

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At any rate.

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Good God. And if you're still done. If you're still with us by now, thanks for hanging. Hardy, what are you drinking?

SPEAKER_07 4:37

Um, tonight I am on one of my favorites. I found it in a bar one time, and now I have it in a bottle.

SPEAKER_11 4:45

Lemon fucking basil, bro. It's so good. Oh, I love that. Sorry. Had to chime in. Looks dad loves that.

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It is it is delectable. Gavin, what are you drinking? I'm drinking drunk fruit. Drunk fruit?

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Yeah. I mean found it at Total Wine and more.

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Yes.

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I got a whole box full of different kinds of ciders. It's a Yuzu. I have no idea what that is. It's a Yuhu? Yuzu. Oh, okay. By you. Apparently it's like a Japanese. That's a real ass citrus kind of thing going on.

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We're gonna put you in a zoo.

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Yeah.

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Pay for tickets right now.

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It tastes interesting. It tastes like citrus and milk at the same time. Wait, what? Whoa. I don't know about that.

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I hate that.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Yeah, so confusing, but I I don't hate it.

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Poor Gavin was drinking some jalapeno shib because I'm gonna do it. I was. I didn't need a lot of that. I see laughter. It was almost gone again. And then he opens this one and he's like, he was like, why does it taste like milk?

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Oof.

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And then I read the top, like the very top of the can, and it says, mint lime jalapeno. Jalapano.

SPEAKER_09 5:55

That's not a mojito. Who's making this mojito?

SPEAKER_08 6:01

I think it's one tree.

SPEAKER_07 6:03

It's one tree. It is also made by one tree, hard cider, mojito, hard cider, 6.8 ABV, one.

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More jalapenos.

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Lime mint jalapano. I don't know how I missed that.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

We're too far from Mexico to be hitting the jalapenos and the ciders. That's crazy.

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Okay, so yeah, 10 minutes later, I am slipping on Riverside Drink Works Moscow Mule. Natural Parts Crafty Process. It says, in quote, dang, that's nice. A perfect mule with a light, bright punch of natural lime and ginger, and a touch of huckleberry sweetness. I'm not actually drinking that. I'm drinking PBR. But this one's on the next.

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Way to ripped that one right out of my book.

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I'm drinking.

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I would have read more if I had more in my game, but Lily's drunk for you zoo. The details were a little slim tonight.

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That's next on the roster.

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I should have picked that one. I'm drinking a best. Not I'm drinking PB also. Nightcap ever.

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Susie's back on her bullshit.

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I'm also fucking my cousin and uh I live in Alabama.

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Hey wecking me.

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Lots changed.

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I'm not related to her. Oh. This jalapeno's not too bad, though.

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You guys are not expecting it and you're not expecting the jalapeno, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with this?

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Holy monkey. I think we're coming a little too hot. Turn this episode off like five minutes ago yesterday.

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Getting all of this back together.

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So we all got a little two crimes.

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So yeah.

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Besides Britney. Totally. I'm just she's the mom. She's like, shut it down. Shut it down. Anyways, we're on to the hazing crimes. And for you guys that don't know what hazing is, guess what? Brittany's gonna tell you.

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Let it rip, Britt.

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Okay. So hazing refers to any activity that's expected of someone in joining or participating in a group that humiliates, degrades, degrades, no, degrades, abuses, or endangers them, regardless of a person's willingness to participate.

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Like a corporate job.

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Holy monkeys.

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While hazing is most commonly seen and thought of as an act that occurs within like fraternities and sometimes sororities, it's seen in all kinds of different types of social groups, like gangs, sports teams, military units, and prisons. Um hazing goes back as far as 387 BC. Wow.

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Damn.

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When Plato's Academy was founded, which was um it looks like a Plato's Plato from Athens. Plato. And he described hazing as practical jokes played by unruly young men that injured the hazed and citizens who got in the way. Uh hazing can usually be sorted into one of three categories. There's subtle hazing, harassment hazing, and violence. So subtle are behaviors that emphasize a power imbalance between new members or rookies and the other members of the group. Um, these are often seen as like being harmless and meaningless and like not a big deal. Can include deception, name-calling, um, depriving members of certain privileges that the rest of them have, etc. Um, then harassment hazing are behaviors that cause emotional anguish or physical discomfort in order to feel like part of the group. So these can include like verbal abuse, um, asking new members to wear like embarrassing attire, sleep deprivation, or being expected to harass or do things to other people. And then there's the violent hazing, which obviously is probably what we're more focusing on tonight. Um, and so these behaviors are ones that have the potential to cause physical, emotional, and or psychological harm. Some examples are forced forced or coerced alcohol or drug consumption, forced ingestion of vile substances, which I don't like that sentence, um, bondage or water intoxication.

SPEAKER_07 10:23

So obviously you can literally drink yourself to death on water.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:30

And so dehydration people are like waterboarding each other. No, they force you to drink so much water.

SPEAKER_09 10:36

You can drink so much water that you could die. You can die.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

More so this is why I didn't go to college.

SPEAKER_09 10:42

No, okay, on that topic really quick, because you know, this I remember there was one time, like back in I don't know, it was the late 90s or early 2000s, there was a radio show that was doing a contest that it was like you had it, oh, it was um hold your pee for a wee. Oh no and for a week? Oh no, we for a wee. Oh so they had people go to the radio station and they just kept drinking water, and whoever could hold their pee the longest won the wee. So this mom went to go try to win it for her kids and she fucking died. Oh shit from water intoxication. Oh, that's a thing.

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Ouch.

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Isn't that it? Like that's really a thing.

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That's a wee sport.

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Especially if you're cold.

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Nintendo.

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Nintendo.

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And that's why Johnny's here, everybody. Nintendo.

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Little do you guys know. Johnny's chugging water as we speak, and he's our lab rep. All right.

SPEAKER_07 11:39

I'm never gonna pee. We have an Earlmeyer flask prepared on the side, just in case.

SPEAKER_09 11:45

Speaking of how much it takes, you still haven't found out about the Benadryl.

SPEAKER_07 11:50

Oh, yeah. FBI man, get on that shit. What are you? How much?

SPEAKER_09 11:55

Where are you? So sometimes the hazing can lead to unintentional death because people are idiots. Um, there's been at least one university hazing death each year since 1969, with over a hundred hazing deaths happening in American colleges since 2000. And that's just the reported deaths that um are you know admitted to being caused by hazing. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 12:23

We're gonna get into that. We're gonna get into that.

SPEAKER_09 12:25

Yeah. It's estimated that 95% of hazing doesn't get reported to any authorities. So it's like Oh, I can imagine alcohol poisoning is the number one cause of hazing deaths, making up about 82% of them. Some other causes have been heat stroke, drowning, alcohol poisoning, head injury, asphyxia, and other weird shit. So as of 2019, there are 44 states that pass laws prohibiting hazing, but only 10 of those have laws that actually make it a felony when it results in death. So the rest of the ones, rest of those states only allow it to be punishable as a misdemeanor. Oh and Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Montana have zero laws prohibiting or even defining what hazing is like to be used.

SPEAKER_08 13:21

Yeah, they're like, hell yeah, brother. In law. Yeah, those are shocking.

SPEAKER_09 13:26

Wow. Yeah. So there's all my words about hazing.

SPEAKER_06 13:30

Can I just interrupt real quick and just ask a question? So is this hazing? Is this usually does this usually apply to like a like a 17 to like 24 age group or not always.

SPEAKER_09 13:42

I mean, like college, you know, like fraternities and stuff, it definitely makes up a large percentage of these, but it happens wherever there are idiots.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

There's we're also gonna get into occupational hazing.

SPEAKER_07 13:57

Yeah. And then like, so like she mentioned the military earlier. That can happen any age group. So yeah.

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But Gabby's got a good one for us that's not fraternity or sorority based, it's actually occupational hazing, which is a new one. I picked this subject out randomly.

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I'm going to tell you a story that is almost too unbelievable. Now, this story involves several individuals, but two of these men I'm going to tell you about are the main characters of this story. First, I'm going to tell you about Sean Davis, the man amongst boys. Sean Edward Davis was born January 1st, 1980, in Jordanton, Texas, to his parents Vicky and Jimmy Davis. Sean had several siblings growing up. He was your one-of-the-mill 23-year-old, an ordinary young guy recently engaged to his girlfriend Sheila Little, living in Denton, Texas. Sean had lived a relatively normal life. He was only 23 at the time, so it was very difficult to find any information about this, like really anything about him. Period. The most interesting thing that I could find about him was I actually found a PDF version of his high school yearbook from 1999. Really? Yep. He graduated from Big Lake High School.

SPEAKER_07 15:12

Do you have it somewhere where we can see it?

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Nope. But we could put it on the blog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Stay cool.

SPEAKER_08 15:19

Hags. Hags. Have a great summer. I don't think he had a good summer. Wait, is that what that acronym was for? Oh my god. Are you shitting me? What did you think it was? Someone was just being mean. They're like witches who I got fucking mad.

SPEAKER_07 15:39

Oh my god, nobody fucking told me that.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Oh, hardy. So the most of the information that I found on him was actually from his obituary, which was also still lacking on details. However, Sean lived in Sweetwater and Odessa, Texas, before he moved to Denton. He was a good old Baptist boy and graduated from Big Lake High School in 1999. After high school, he became what his OB proclaimed as a roughneck working for Republic Energy Drilling.

SPEAKER_11 16:06

Is that different than a redneck?

SPEAKER_06 16:08

Yeah, it means you have a job. He's drilling, he's making money. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Oh, Johnny would know.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

So because of the lack of information, I'm just going to tell most of the story from the court's account of what happened that day. Right after I tell you about the other guy. Who you're not going to like. Bring him on. So this is the boy amongst men. Lewis Earl Goodman, born April 18th, 1966, to Beatrice Pearl and Jim Alexander Goodman, was 38 years of age when this all went down.

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But was he a good man?

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Uh I will let you make your own decision here.

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Speculation.

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Again, the interwebs did not offer up much information on Lewis either. So we'll just get right into the incident. I'm going to read you pretty much almost verbatim the court document from Goodman versus the state of Texas, case number two-04-413-CR. If anybody else wants to look it up, I'm I'm citing my source here. I don't know if they can like come up with me.

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Prepare for a lot of numbers.

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But it's I'm I'm going to put in some of my own hot takes. So bear with me. There are a lot of unfamiliar terms in this case, and a lot and I apologize ahead of time, but I will explain them to you so you don't get too confused when I mention the word mouse hole.

SPEAKER_08 17:22

Already confused.

SPEAKER_07 17:23

I've seen Tom and Jerry, but I'm familiar with the mouse hole. Yeah, it's a little baseboard hole in the wall, right? The shape of a door.

SPEAKER_09 17:31

No. Oh, did you said oh I thought you said mouth hole. No, mouth. Like speaky little mouth mouth. Oh.

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Sneaky little mouth mouse.

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Why did I just do that?

SPEAKER_07 17:40

Why content already? This is not a BDSM podcast.

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Oh shit. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Goodman was. Oh, god damn it. I already fucked this up. Batman was.

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Batman. I'm the Batman.

SPEAKER_07 17:56

Right, I am the Batman.

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I'm the Batman.

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Totally ending well. Jesus. Thank you, Admiral Nelson. All right.

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We now interrupt this program. November 25th, 2003, on a gas drilling rig in Denton County, Texas, Goodman, Sean Davis, Ted Garland, and Henry Quinton Clay were working the evening shift. Goodman was the crewman responsible for the other workers on shift that evening because Lonnie Laverne, the tool pusher, was not on site that day. The what pusher?

SPEAKER_07 18:30

The tool pusher. I love tool.

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You guys are not making this easy. Around 8 p.m., Clay went up into the doghouse, which is an upstairs building where drillers can change clothes and take care of paperwork and what have you. Up in the doghouse sat Goodman, Garland, and Sean chatting. At some point, the conversation turned into initiating Sean. Since he was new on the crew, the guys had brought up several forms of initiation, including hoisting Sean up with either the cat line or the boom line. A cat line is a rope, a cable, and a chain with a hook on it, usually used to hoist pipes and other equipment up into the mouse hole.

SPEAKER_06 19:13

The cat line in the doghouse? Not to the mouse hole.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

So many different terms here that I had to Google. There was a lot of Escumi Google on last night. One end of the rope is wrapped around the cat head for traction, and the other end of the rope is attached to the cable that runs through a shiv on the derrick.

SPEAKER_09 19:36

What is their job?

SPEAKER_07 19:37

They're oil drilling. Or gas. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

They're drilling for something.

SPEAKER_06 19:47

Just wondering what they're doing with sheds. So they go around, they travel around, and they like they set up like portable drill systems that go down several hundred feet and they just try to like roll around and tap for oil to try to find where it's plentiful enough to actually set up more permanent stations, you know.

SPEAKER_07 20:11

I know what you're talking about. Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_06 20:12

So it's usually like two guys. They just roll around in a company truck with like with a trailer with all the all the reading equipment.

SPEAKER_11 20:19

Yeah, I gotcha. So they're like the safety first, then teamwork.

SPEAKER_06 20:22

But it sounds like these guys had like a central hub though. So they were doing all this in in like the main area.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Well, it sounds a bit, it sounds like a pretty like established so it's already operational.

SPEAKER_07 20:34

Like they found the gas or the whatever they were looking for, and now they're beginning their first operations.

SPEAKER_11 20:41

These are the safety bros. Like we're gonna not probably guys blow first operations.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

Like uh Sean was just the new guy.

SPEAKER_11 20:47

Um right, so because yeah, we're getting into the initiation. Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Alright, so the cable is then attached to the chain, which is then wrapped around whatever needs to be lifted. After Clay had gone back downstairs, Goodman suggested to Sean that they put a derrick belt on him. A Derrick belt is a harness or belt that the crew put on them to help climb the derrick, and a derrick is the framework over an oil well that holds drilling machinery. On the front of a derrick belt are two D rings, where a chain or rope are attached. Sean told Goodman that he did not want to put the belt harness on, and that if they wanted him to wear it, they would have to put it on the hem themselves. And that's exactly what happened. Clay and Goodman wrestled Sean to the ground and successfully put the belt on him.

SPEAKER_08 21:31

Also kinky.

SPEAKER_07 21:32

Is this is this standard like people died, Susie?

SPEAKER_03 21:36

Is this a safety procedure though? Like if they're gonna be climbing up around up on the Derek, then yes.

SPEAKER_07 21:43

Okay, so it's pretty like normal and per the board.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Yeah, but they already told the kid that they wanted to suspend him up on the cat line.

SPEAKER_11 21:54

Oh, and that's me. It was like, no, you'll have to put the belts on me yourselves because I'm not doing it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

Yeah, because you're going to. So not kinky. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 22:02

Right, gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

And so this is where shit goes sideways. Where they could have just stopped and laughed about it, but instead Goodman grabs the cat line. Clay made his way back up the stairs and noticed that Goodman was walking into the top doghouse with the chain end of the cat line. Clay recalled shaking his head thinking, this wasn't very smart. It's also noted that Clay mentions that the Kelly, the device located on the rig floor that is used for drilling into the ground, rotates at seventy rounds per minute, and it definitely was.

SPEAKER_07 22:32

That's fast. Oh no.

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Clay then saw the end of the cat line going up the backside of the derrick, indicating that it had slack in the line, and the weight of a chain on the cable was pulling it up, or that it may have got caught in something. Clay then saw that the chain part of the cat line was tight and being pulled in reverse out the top of the doghouse, to which he was correct, it was now caught on the Kelly. Up in the doghouse, Goodman hooked the catline onto the belt Davis was wearing and said, I got you. Oh did he? With the catline still in his grip, Goodman attempted to release it from Sean's belt, but it was too late. The catline began pulling Sean out the door of the top doghouse.

SPEAKER_07 23:10

This is some final destination shit right here.

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Clay watched Sean as he was dragged face first out of the building. Sean then hit the bottom half of the doghouse door, taking it off its hinges. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 23:22

Good god.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

From there, Sean was dragged to the Kelly bushing where he was spun around ten to twenty times as his body hit several different pieces of drilling equipment.

SPEAKER_07 23:31

The Kelly is the thing that spins 70 RPM, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Oh my god. The extent of his injuries were horrific. Sean suffered a blunt force injury of the head, causing a very large depressed skull fracture with significant internal head injuries as well as trauma to the rest of his body.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Oh my god. Imagine.

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After much yelling to shut the Kelly down, Goodman made it to the controls and stopped the drill. Clay, Goodman, and Garland went to check on Sean, but it was too late. The amount of trauma Sean had received was too much. They attempted to call 911 at the rig, but the company phone would not work. Clay ended up going to his truck to call 911 on his cell phone and drove to a nearby convenience store to meet the ambulance. While Clay was gone, Goodman removed the harness and hung it back up in the top dog house. When paramedics arrived on scene, Sean had no pulse. He was gone.

SPEAKER_07 24:24

Yeah, try to hide your fucking mistake.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

Fucking that's why that makes me think that they were at a remote location. Because they were talking about like, oh, going on the truck and company phone. But they were in like they were like somewhere in like a remote location where they could they they didn't have any support.

SPEAKER_11 24:41

Totally.

unknown 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

While waiting for the police to arrive, Goodman had already begun rewriting the story of what happened. He wanted Clay to tell the police that the cat line had come loose from a pipe and Sean had accidentally got too close to the cat line, causing it to wrap around him.

SPEAKER_11 24:56

Oh, and it magically hooked and hooked itself to him.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

Yeah, because there's gonna be no bruise lines for where the thing wrapped around it on it head first. I don't know how these harnesses hook up, but this sounds like bullshit to me.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Troy Mac Hohenberger was the fire chief on scene that evening. He was told the same story several times by Goodman. When Goodman spoke with the deputy David Bronner that night, he also received a very similar story. Clay even gave a written statement stating that he watched Sean's leg getting wrapped up in the Kelly. He later testified that he didn't put everything in the statement because Garland was standing right behind him when he wrote it.

SPEAKER_11 25:35

So tell the truth.

SPEAKER_07 25:37

It's passing blame right there.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

He didn't stick to the story for very long. The next morning, Clay contacted the investigator Don Britt of the Denton County Sheriff's Office, to which the incident was no longer seen as an accident. Investigators were able to get the rig owners permission to go back out to the rig and look around. They collected several belts hanging on a hook inside the top doghouse. They also located the door to the doghouse, which was now in two pieces, and placed behind a shed. On the door, investigators noticed that the hinges had been bent and there was evidence of blood. Later, after forensics took samples, the blood on one of the belts and the door were an exact match to Sean.

SPEAKER_11 26:15

So they took the belts off and hung it back up.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

And they took the door and hid it behind the shed so that there wouldn't be any evidence. So they were trying to like hide in like plain sight. Goodman gotcha.

SPEAKER_11 26:28

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_07 26:29

This one guy tried to hide all the evidence. Yep.

SPEAKER_11 26:32

Was he the one responsible for all? Or it was like an I thought it was like a group effort.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Can um can we just get there?

SPEAKER_11 26:38

Okay, sorry. Sorry, keep going.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

While investigators were still poking around the drilling rig, Goodman showed up for a shift, to which he was asked to come with them to the sheriff's office to answer some questions, and he did. He sang the same song he sang the prior night. However, they knew he wasn't telling the truth, because one of them had already told the true story of what had actually happened. Damn. Goodman's account goes something like this. Which is quote unquote. All four of us was in the doghouse talking about Thanksgiving. Me, Quentin, Ted, and Sean. Quentin left down onto the ground to do some work. The three of us was sitting in there drinking coke and coffee talking.

SPEAKER_11 27:17

You want to do that again?

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Nope, because I'm I'm literally reading it as what he wrote. Or what he this is his this is what he said. So the wases where there shouldn't be wases are him. Ted said something about initiating Sean. He was the new hand on crew. It is something that normally happens with the new guy. I said we were too far away from the pits. Normally we would throw someone in the pit for initiation. We said we would put the Derrick belt on Sean. Me and Ted put it on him. We wrestled around getting it on him. We sat around for about fifteen twenty minutes afterwards smoking cigarettes. Which makes no sense. I said I would hook a chain on him. Then Ted said, No, grab the cat line. The cat line is the cable that picks up pipes and puts it in the mouse hole. It was outside. I brung it through the door, I hooked Sean on the Derrick belt. As I reached down to take it off, it was too late. The cat line got wrapped around the Kelly. It's a bushing that's always turning. It drug both of us out the door.

SPEAKER_11 28:17

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Sean was pulling through the door. I ran over and started kicking everything out of gear. It stopped, I rolled him over and tried to get all the cable off to see if I could help him. I tried to dial 911, but it wouldn't work, and Quinton ran down and got his phone and dialed 911. Now his story isn't far from the truth. However, he was the catalyst for the entire hazing. In August of 2004, Goodman was convicted of manslaughter in the death of Sean Edward Davis. He was sentenced to 18 years, a maximum twenty in the state of Texas. I'm not entirely sure how long Goodman spent behind bars, however, I do know that he did not spend the entirety of his 18 years locked up because here's the kicker. What? Karma is a special kind of bitch. And at the age of 52, Lewis Earl Goodman was found dead at a gas well at 10 30 AM, November 21st, 2018. Investigators surmised that Goodman had been struck by a cable that had broke, and he had succumbed to his inverse.

SPEAKER_11 29:15

Oh shit, that's real Karma. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

And that's my case. It's not long, but when I was doing the research, like just trying to find some stuff on these two guys and all the stuff that happened, and I came across that second news article where I'm like, this cannot be the same guy. And sure enough, it's Denton, Texas. That they his birth date matches, everything matches, and I was like, no.

SPEAKER_11 29:38

Really? Wow.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

So Karma got him.

SPEAKER_11 29:42

Karma's a bitch.

SPEAKER_07 29:44

She sure is.

SPEAKER_11 29:45

That's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_07 29:46

So originally he should have been out. You said 18 years, right? Mm-hmm. 2022, this year, is when he would have gotten out had that whole like conviction been uh sorry, had his whole sentence been executed. Yeah, carried. Had he carried his entire sentence.

SPEAKER_11 30:05

Wait, so that happened? He died while he was in jail? Like doing that same kind of job.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

He jumped out of jail. He must have gotten out of the job. I'm sorry, working back in the oil field.

SPEAKER_11 30:12

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. And then it all came back.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

You play stupid games. You win stupid prizes. And you took out a poor 23-year-old boy.

SPEAKER_11 30:23

That's sad. I hate that.

SPEAKER_07 30:26

So yeah, it's already a downer. That's a real fucking downer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:31

Well, it's an extremely hazardous job. I want to take note of that.

SPEAKER_11 30:35

Yeah, it's hazardous before you even start.

SPEAKER_06 30:38

Those guys are going out there like it's usually a two or three man crew and they're going out in the middle of nowhere and they're just they're just plugging away. And if there's some foul play involved, then some shit's gonna happen. If there's like there's any sort of foul play, you know. No, those those guys are going out to remote locations. If there's any sort of animosity between the crew, then foul play is very easy to come by.

SPEAKER_07 31:03

And you know, sometimes it could be like a joke, like, oh yeah, we're just you know, we're just getting it getting together, and you know, uh, you know, I have to say I know exactly how that goes because I grew up on a ranch right at 70 miles from the hospital, and I definitely threw a pitchfork at my father. Damn. It's all fun and good.

SPEAKER_11 31:24

Well, this is just like they it's already such a dangerous job as it is, and then to be like, oh, we're gonna haze him, haha, put the belts on, hook it up, but you didn't have to follow through with like the pulling of the chain. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 31:37

Like put like chillick powder in his coffee or something. Yeah, like attach a line with a cable to him and hoist them up on an oil rig. That's a fucking death sentence.

SPEAKER_11 31:50

You know, like cover him in shit, don't take his fucking life. Like, yeah, that's real bad.

SPEAKER_07 31:55

Oh, she would not approve.

SPEAKER_11 31:56

So that's that's occupational hazing, which when I had messaged Gavin, I was like, I want to do hazing, and he was like, I found an occupational one, and I was like, that's crazy, because what I was thinking of is like college and school. You know, like jump shit like that. And then he found that one.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

And well, if you ever get the chance to check out the Wikipedia page of hazing deaths, it's uh daunting. There's a lot a lot of going on with like scrolling like Jesus. And I didn't have to scroll all that far to find that one.

SPEAKER_09 32:30

Right.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

When I saw occupation, I was like, oh, that could be interesting and different. And then I was like, damn, that poor kid.

SPEAKER_11 32:36

Yeah, only 23. God, that sucks. Just trying to work a fucking job.

SPEAKER_06 32:42

Yep. I want to say they were work were they working in Texas? Texas, Denton, Texas. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:47

Denton, Texas.

SPEAKER_11 32:48

Yeah. Texas is fucking huge. It's like half the United States.

SPEAKER_07 32:54

I mean, a bit of an exaggeration, but yes. It is usually it is a big state.

SPEAKER_11 33:00

Pretty big.

SPEAKER_07 33:00

Like it got purdy. Pretty big. Sorry.

SPEAKER_11 33:04

Like you got a pretty mile, you're a pretty you got a purdy mile. Okay, so I had Texas Gavin in our major hiatus, and I told him I want to do hazing crimes because they're, you know, very bizarre. And like you don't hear a lot of podcasts like talk about them or whatever. And he picked that occupational one, and that was crazy. And then I went to go pick my case, and I decided I can't just pick one because there's so many, and it was so hard to pick a case that I could actually like really talk about for a long time. So I have a few of them for you guys, just like the Florida man on our pillow talk, if you guys have listened to that. But just started out, here we go. I'm starting with Stuart Pearson. So in 1905, Hazing was completely legal at the time. And Stuart was tied down by the members of Delta Kappa Epsilon at Kenyon College. Where was he tied down, you might ask? On railroad. My fucking Mike Tyson or what?

SPEAKER_07 34:11

Well, and I'm gonna ask a question. Where the fuck is this college? Is it in Kenyan?

SPEAKER_11 34:16

I don't fucking know. I didn't write that now.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

What's happening?

SPEAKER_11 34:24

No, we don't need to do that because it's just a fucking hook.

SPEAKER_07 34:27

No, we need to know.

SPEAKER_11 34:28

Yeah, Ohio. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 34:30

Oh, nobody Ohio. Ohio's for lovers.

SPEAKER_11 34:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 34:36

And people who want to get off this.

SPEAKER_11 34:37

Nobody's gonna know.

SPEAKER_07 34:38

No one's gonna know.

SPEAKER_11 34:40

All right.

SPEAKER_07 34:40

How are they gonna know? No one's gonna know.

SPEAKER_11 34:43

Good God. So in 1905, hazing was completely illegal at the time in Ohio.

SPEAKER_07 34:48

Ohio?

SPEAKER_11 34:49

And Stuart was tied down by the members of Delta Kappa Epsilon, a Kenyan college in Ohio. Again, it's in Ohio.

SPEAKER_07 34:58

Nobody likes Ohio. That's where the most astronauts are from. They try to leave this place. So I think it's like Kenyan.

SPEAKER_11 35:05

I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 35:06

It's like Americanized. Kenyon. Anyways.

SPEAKER_11 35:10

I can't read my fucking case if you guys do this to him. Alright, where was he tied down? On Rarewoods. Oh.

SPEAKER_07 35:20

I'm a lover, not a finer. You guys.

SPEAKER_08 35:24

That's it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm backing it.

SPEAKER_07 35:27

Now he's a hero. Please. Let's finish the story. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_11 35:32

No, don't finish it. Started over. Oh, you had forgotten.

SPEAKER_07 35:36

So sorry.

SPEAKER_11 35:37

All right. So I'm starting with Stuart Pearson. So in 1905, this was when Hazing was completely legal at the time. I had to put that in. And Stuart was tied down by members of the Delta Kappa Epsilon at Kenyon College in Ohio. But where was he tied down, you might ask? On fucking railroad tracks. Now, this should have been all fine and well because the brothers of Delta Kappa knew the train schedule. Although, to Pearson's dismay, an unscheduled train came barreling down the tracks. Oh God. You can guess what happened next. After the incident, the Frat brothers claimed that Stuart Pearson had, quote unquote, fallen asleep on the tracks, claiming it was just a gross, self-inflicted, shrunken incident.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

You know, I've been drunk. I ain't ever fallen asleep on no train tracks.

SPEAKER_09 36:32

What was like what was their endgame with that?

SPEAKER_11 36:35

Hold on. Just the coroner, however, found reason to believe otherwise. Stewart's wrists and ankles, what was left of them, anyways, were found to be bruised badly and completely dislocated as he was actually binded to the tracks and fought viciously to get free when he realized a train was coming. The train engineer didn't see anything on the tracks, and it wasn't until he reached his destination that blood was seen splattered all over the train. I personally cannot imagine his final thoughts as he was fighting to get free for his life. He literally dislocated all of his tied-down hands and footies to get free.

SPEAKER_07 37:21

Mine would be like, oh my god, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

SPEAKER_11 37:25

Well, exactly. And they said that, oh, you just fell asleep. We just told him he needed to take a little nappy nap on the train tracks because they had the train schedule.

SPEAKER_06 37:33

Hey Gavin, you want to go take a tr track nap? No.

SPEAKER_11 37:38

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

SPEAKER_06 37:40

A little track nap.

SPEAKER_11 37:41

Alright, so up next we have James Lennigan. James was seeking to join the fraternity Zeta Kai's of the American International College when he was made to go under the initiation that they had named the spaghetti ritual.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

What? What? I'm asking. I'm asking.

SPEAKER_11 38:01

What is the spaghetti ritual? Where's the source? I can't eat spaghetti. You might ask.

SPEAKER_07 38:05

Where's the pseud?

SPEAKER_11 38:06

What is the spaghetti ritual? You might ask. This initiation involved the pledge to consume bowl after bowl of spaghetti and also chug red wine. You were not done doing this initiation until you threw up enough to fill a garbage can full of vomit. You're fucking kidding me. That's impossible. And if exactly, and if they were to vomit, they were forced to continue to eat and drink until it pleased the rest of the brotherhood. Lennon was struggling immensely with this ritual and eventually begged with all his might to stop. But the brothers did not oblige because his garbage can have a foliage, apparently. I don't know. It's not worth it, kids. It's not worth it. James eventually lost complete control of his bowels while sitting at a table. At this point, the Zetas decided it was enough and drug him to a bathtub to lay in his own filth and quote unquote sleep it off.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Oh no.

SPEAKER_11 39:10

James Lenigan never awoke from his sleep. When coroners examined his body, they found that he had a BAC of 0.48.

SPEAKER_07 39:19

For those normies out there, that's blood alcohol content.

SPEAKER_11 39:24

Which is a lethal level of alcohol consumption. His cause of death was alcohol overdose. When did this take place?

SPEAKER_08 39:31

So not death by spaghetti. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 39:35

I don't know. Death by spaghetti.

SPEAKER_11 39:38

Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 39:38

That's six times the legal limit, folks.

SPEAKER_11 39:41

Yeah, that's too much. So up next, we have Robert Perry. Robert Perry joined the fraternity Phi Beta Pi and, of course, went under gruesome hazing in order to do so. For this initiation ritual, he was asked to get completely naked and then was completely covered with flammable liquid. He was then laid onto a table and forced to receive shocks to his skin by the Brotherhood. This was their normal initiation. They've done it a million times. Although this time, one of the shocks caused a spark and eventually lit Robert Perry on fire. He then sustained so many burns that he eventually succumbed to his injuries and died. So what exactly did they think was gonna happen? I was gonna say they knew the flip like So they've done this a million times. It was just like ha ha, gasoline, ha ha, bop bop, blah blah blah. But it there would never been like an actual spark.

SPEAKER_09 40:41

It's like smoking a cigarette at a gas station, you know, like to them, like that was their like that was what their end goal was eventually, was for someone to like.

SPEAKER_11 40:51

Well, it was supposed to be like a scare tactic, like you're covered in you know, flammable liquid, and then we're gonna shock you.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Did they say what they were shocking him with?

SPEAKER_11 41:00

No, they didn't. It was really hard.

SPEAKER_06 41:03

I mean, we've all seen Zoolander, we know how this plays out, but if you're gonna shock somebody with electricity, there has to be a spark and that ignites the flammable liquid. So it's only a matter of time.

SPEAKER_11 41:15

Well, yeah, but I think that that was their like scare tactic, like because they've done this like a million times as their normal initiation.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

I mean they were seeing a pattern here.

SPEAKER_11 41:23

They were sitting there thinking, like, oh, we're gonna get them scared, and then we're gonna shock them, and then whatever else.

SPEAKER_07 41:29

But then a little bit that's not safe uh penis havers.

SPEAKER_11 41:33

Yeah, no, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_07 41:35

Oh, yeah, mostly men.

SPEAKER_11 41:36

But we're not done there.

SPEAKER_07 41:37

Did you find any girl ones?

SPEAKER_11 41:39

No, all the girl ones were girls are a lot nicer than men.

SPEAKER_07 41:44

You don't even go here.

SPEAKER_09 41:48

They keep her waiting. I thought that was heard.

SPEAKER_11 41:51

She doesn't even go here. Either way, all the ones I could find were all fraternities and makes sense because some of these tactics are destined for death, though. Oh, totally. 100%.

SPEAKER_06 42:04

It's not if it's when.

SPEAKER_11 42:06

Right.

SPEAKER_06 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 42:07

So the next one we have is George Destune. In 2011, George was 19 at the time of his hazing, where he was kidnapped by his frat brothers and he was restrained with the use of zip ties and duct tape. After being binded, he was asked random questions about the fraternity. What happened when he got an answer wrong, you might ask? He was force fed with pixie sticks, straight vodka, hot sauce, chocolate powder, and dish soap.

SPEAKER_07 42:36

So asphyxiation? What?

SPEAKER_11 42:40

I'm sorry, one more time.

SPEAKER_09 42:41

I was distracted by many cats in Georgia.

SPEAKER_11 42:43

Yeah. So he was binded and then he was force fed with pixie sticks, straight vodka, hot sauce, chocolate powder, and dish soap. Dostoon vomited so profusely during this incident. I mean, who wouldn't? Dish soap? I mean, everything else. I'm like, that sounds like a stone tonight to me. I mean, smoke some weed, he might eat some pixie sticks and vodka and hot sauce, whatever. But dish soap, whatever. It eventually led to his death. His body was found the next morning. His cause of death was severe dehydration due to vomiting. His body could not take it anymore, and he vomited himself literally to death.

SPEAKER_09 43:22

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

It's crazy that these college kids have found like the most obscure ways to kill people.

SPEAKER_07 43:30

They're like, what do we have in the fucking cabinet, right? We can't afford anything. Let's go find what we have in the cabinet and let's make this a horrible, horrible, nasty tradition.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

And like our bodies are so capable of like enduring so much.

SPEAKER_11 43:43

And I just want to say I looked up all like the aftermath of all of the prior ones that I just said, and like nobody was really charged for it. It was all just like misdemeanor shit, like Brittany said. They're all just like misdemeanor, blah blah. Oh, this college, blah blah. Whatever. Like, nobody really gets charged for the shit.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

That's probably really. Hard to try that many people.

SPEAKER_11 44:02

Exactly. So my last one is Benjamin Klein. In 2002, Klein underwent a hazing ritual, even though his fellow frat mates disagreed. He was tied up and beaten to shit. As if that was enough, he was then forcibly held underwater in a bathtub full of water. What happened next is unknown. Although, three days later, his dead body was found in a creek close to the frat house. Nobody was charged with his murder, and it was ruled a suicide.

SPEAKER_06 44:34

Perfect.

SPEAKER_11 44:36

And then even though it was ruled a suicide, Alfred University has since disbanded and closed all fraternities and sororities. Coincidence?

SPEAKER_06 44:48

So they don't have that anymore.

SPEAKER_11 44:51

Apparently, Alfred University. Yeah, shut it all down. No more fraternities, no more sororities.

SPEAKER_06 44:57

Was this transient housing?

SPEAKER_11 44:59

Yeah, apparently. And they were like, nope, not a big deal. It was just a suicide. He apparently held himself under bath water and killed himself and then dropped himself into the creek. Because they were like, if he drowned, we could just put him in the creek.

SPEAKER_12 45:11

This is just speculation, but they probably sold all those houses so they could pay for all the um legal fees to uh that shit. Oh yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_11 45:19

When I looked up all these other things too, it was just literally like they were like, oh, they charge this guy with 16 weeks, oh 12 weeks, oh misdemeanor, oh blah blah blah blah blah. And it was too much for me that I didn't even want to put it in there because I was just trying to like touch on the hazing murder itself and not so much like the outcome.

SPEAKER_09 45:39

All right, well, I didn't have anything prepared just now. Um, I went in hot and confident though. Um anyways, we are really happy to be back after all those false starts. Uh, but promise we weren't bullshitting you guys. Life has just been crazy. And we did our best. We tried really, really hard.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

It's been a long fucking year, man. We're all RC Dillo right now.

SPEAKER_09 46:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 46:15

Next, yeah. Good. Look at us. We do try. We're here though, guys. We're here. We're all here.

SPEAKER_07 46:22

We're here.

SPEAKER_08 46:25

We do. It's like 118 a.m. What are you old? I yeah, I go to bed like early for us. Are you kidding? I go to bed so early these days. Kevin, we live bar life. Come on.

SPEAKER_09 46:42

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_06 46:44

Alright, guys, I'm new, but I'm co, so uh the old nightcap family. We've been ridden hard and put away wet, but we're back.

SPEAKER_08 46:57

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_07 47:01

Thank you, Clint Eastwood.

SPEAKER_09 47:03

Bye-bye. Thank you guys for not losing faith in us completely. I promise.

SPEAKER_11 47:08

We planned on coming back all those times, and then life just sort of Yeah, we were smoshing out babies and dealing with everything else in our goddamn lives.

SPEAKER_09 47:19

Now it's been a dumb DJ. I could just do a whole other podcast about what happened to me in the last 18 months. So maybe stay tuned for a spin-off series.

SPEAKER_11 47:32

Yeah, we're so sorry, but we love you guys as much as you love us. You don't know us, but you're about to. We're back with a vengeance. I promise we're coming. And there's nothing you guys have to worry about besides listening to our drunken bullshit besides Britney because she's sober and we're proud of her. Did you hear that, Janice? Did you hear that? Oh, yeah, Jeanne. Sorry, one star review. Go on yourself.

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SPEAKER_11 48:30

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SPEAKER_07 48:54

Personally.

SPEAKER_11 48:55

They do a good job too. The other one was Love the Story. Or Love the Humor and Storytelling from EA54, May 7th. The other one was I just started listening a few days ago, and I'm already done with all 16 episodes. They all have a great sense of humor and make the show fun. I'm sad they haven't came out with any more. Da da da.

SPEAKER_03 49:17

I love here you go. Sorry.

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Another one. This is one of the best podcasts out there. If you love listening to murder, this is for you. Amazing hosts. They love their or I and love their voices and how well they tell their stories. Sad I binge listened to the whole thing already. So are we. Okay. We're coming back. I'm sorry. Can I can I read one that I really enjoy? I got a one I got a one-star review. Just wait.

unknown 49:44

Oh.

SPEAKER_11 49:45

Well, that's what I was gonna do. Couldn't get through the first episode. I like a drink now and then, and I can curse, but not as part of simply greeting people. I would slap my grown children if they spoke this way. Embarrassed that they're from the Northwest. Guess what, motherfucker? You ain't my mama. Nightcap true crime is back from the frickin' Pacific Northwest.

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The same little house on the prairie bitch button.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A disgrace to the families of victims. Ugh!

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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

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SPEAKER_07 51:22

That landed it.

SPEAKER_08 51:23

Yeah. All right. See you next week. Okay.

unknown 51:28

Bye.

SPEAKER_08 51:31

Stupid.

SPEAKER_04 51:35

That's it. We're done.

SPEAKER_07 51:37

It's good to be back.

SPEAKER_09 51:41

So uh what's uh what's next week? Murder matchup!

SPEAKER_08 51:46

Let's go there she is.

SPEAKER_07 51:51

Murder matchup Where were you earlier? All right. I mother must love me some murder matchup.