Dating App Disasters

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Dating Apps have become very commonplace in our culture...and they may be making it easier for creeps to prey on unsuspecting users.

On Christmas Eve 2019, 25-year old Kevin Bacon left his home in Swartz Creek, MI to meet up with a man he had met on Grindr, 50-year old Mark Latunski. What was supposed to be a night of fun quickly turned into a night of horror, which left a scene that officers say was one of the most grisly they’d ever seen. Please be warned, this story gets a little heavy. 

Between 2012-2015, Stephen Port drugged and raped at least 11 young gay men in Barking, East London. At least 4 of those men also had their lives taken from them. Port then constructed “wicked and monstrous lies” to cover up his crimes, until he was finally caught in 2015. 

Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard-of cases.

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Be warned, this podcast does contain explicit content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion is definitely advised.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Oh hi, you're back. This is our third episode, Dating Up Disasters. Dating apps have become a playground for the Sinister, and we're gonna tell you all about it.

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I'm Gavin. I'm Susie. I'm Brittany. What are we drinking, ladies? Susie. I'm drinking California Roots Rose from Target. It's cheap.

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The name sounds fancy.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Yeah. It's not too bad for some. I mean, it's a huge jug for only 10 bucks, so you can't really complain too much.

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There you go. What are you drinking, Britt? I am drinking brew dogs hazy AF, which is a non-alcoholic hazy IPA.

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Yum. Noise.

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I love me some IPAs. Oh, it's so good.

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And I'm back on my bullshit with the seltzer.

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Here you go.

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Mickelab Ultra Organic Cucumber Lime. Only has 80 calories, zero carbs, and zero sugars. That sounds refreshing and delicious. I'm accepting the check for that sponsorship, by the way. DME. Waiting for all of them to roll to roll through. Mr. Loeb, this is for you. Well, Suze, should we get into our facts?

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Yes, I'm gonna spit some facts about this episode, Dating App Disasters. It was really hard to find some facts, but I found some good ones. So here we go. Sweet. So 40 million Americans use dating apps to find relationships, according to eHarmony. The more traditional ways to meet people, like face-to-face, organic meeting in person. What's that? I know, right? Has been on the decline since the 1940s, according to research from Stanford. Which is the 40s. The 40s, yeah, that's what I thought. Oh. I was like, that's a long time ago, but how were they meeting? Like Telegraph. I don't know. That's what Stanford said. I don't know. I was like, Stanford's smart. I back age newspaper classifieds. Missed connections. Okay, so approximately 3% of men using online dating are indeed psychopaths. 3%. Only 3%? I know. That's why I was like, that's pretty low. I mean, I think most men are psychopaths. I mean, most women are too, though. Um, more than 25% of rapists use online dating app or dating sites and apps to find victims. That sounds about right. It's grim. Internet predators commit over 16,000 abductions, 100 murders, and thousands of rapes annually. Oof. Oh boy. Yeah, it's not good. 10% of sex offenders use dating sites. One in ten users on these apps are actually scammers. Sexual assaults linked to online dating apps have grown sixfold in the last five years.

unknown 4:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

These aren't fun. Yeah, it's bad. Okay, so the top five most dangerous states for online dating are Alaska, Nevada, California, Florida, and Colorado. Which Alaska Colorado, that was a random one to throw in there. Yeah. I thought Alaska was weird. I'm like all the way out there. They just bore I don't borrow. Yeah, nothing else to do.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

It's too cold, so they're gonna either Alaska does have a lot of weird um like disappearances and stuff. Yeah, aliens up there. Aliens.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

We'll get the fourth kind of the the movie The Fourth Kind in Gnome Alaska fucked me up.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Oh, we will definitely be doing an episode on aliens. Yeah, we need to do that for sure because I'm all about it.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

All about it. Okay, but the top five safest states for online dating are Vermont, West Virginia, Montana, New Hampshire, and Maine. Interesting. Where do you find them? So then I thought I would throw in some tips for staying safe while online dating for all you online dating folks out there that are trying to find some sex or some love or some marriage or whatever, friends. You know, it's me. And this is according to backgroundchecks.org. So they say run a Google search on the person that you are talking to. Just Google them up, see if their shit's fucking real. Oh, that's fair. The next one was get a Google voice number rather than give out your personal number. So those text messages and calls will still come to your cell phone, but you do not have to use your personal number. So it's a lot easier to block fucking weirdos and creepy people or whatever. Just keep your shit classified until you know that they're legit. Thought that was pretty good. It also says to run the person's social or check the person's social media accounts for validity. Yes. Make sure they have an accurate amount of photos and friends and people reacting to their posts, and so you can tell that they're actually them. Smart. And of course, uh backgroundchecks.org said uh run a background check on anybody.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Using backgroundchecks.org.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

I mean$9.99. Yeah, like you guys had to throw that in there, didn't you? They're like, seems a little much, like on the website, seems a little much to run a background check, but it is the safest way to know of their crime background history. I'm like, all right, all right, backgroundchecks.com. I'll do that advertisement for you. Yeah, okay, got it. We'll wait for that check as well. Yeah. We're waiting. It also says to meet in a public place upon meeting somebody for the first time, which is fucking smart. Yes. Also says to don't drink a pre-ordered drink. Like you roll up to a date spa, you've already got your little oh, I know you like margaritas. Don't drink it. Don't fuck around. Or you're gonna fuck around and find out. That's not good. I've been drugged. It's not fun. I'm gonna talk all about it in my case.

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So here we go.

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You would just await.

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It also says to have a bailout plan and let your friends know what you're doing. Your mother, your grandma, your aunties, your uncles, your cousins. Make sure somebody knows where you're going and have one of them call you crying to get you out if you need to.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

My cousin's brother's dog is having a baby.

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It's really important. I gotta go. To go. Gotta go. It also says to drive separately, do not get into strangers' cars. You guys are nuts. Even though we summon them with the Uber app every day. Fuck. I shouldn't have been murdered so long, so long ago. Don't get into strangers' vehicles. Fucking aim. And the last tip was to trust your gut. If the motherfucker's acting weird, he's probably fucking weird. Or she's probably fucking weird, or they're probably fucking weird. Touche. So trust your gut and you find yourself out of that situation. Because we want you guys to all stay safe out there. This shit is not to be played with. I'm sure these I don't know what these cases are that we're covering tonight, but I'm all like scared to hear them because Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Can I add another tip in there with uh things to help you stay safe? With along with like making sure you let people know like who you're gonna be with, where you're going. Um, I know obviously like with iPhones they have this feature, and I'm sure you can do it with another phone too, but share your lo your location with a friend. Have a friend that is like, okay, you are the person that has my location. You can see exactly where you are. Um that is that's another thing that's like super important.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

And this is where I'm planning to be. And if I leave this location, you fucking better get in touch with me or call the authorities. Genius, super smart.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

It was can I I recently went on, I like was going to go hang out with this dude that I met on some app. Um, and I was like, I was like, I don't really want to like go out with him, like, but might as well go meet him and just chat, you know, give people a chance. And I had we had just gotten a uh rescued a new cat that day, and her name is Medusa. And so I told my daughter, I was like, if I text you and specifically say, How's Medusa doing? Then I need you to pretend like you need me to come home, like something's going on. So when I was driving on my way to meet up with this guy, my kiddo texted me and was like, Medusa shit all over me. And I was like, Wait, seriously? And they're like, Yes, Medusa really shit all over me. And then so it worked out because I got there and I actually had a reason to leave. And he had like he was doing like taxidermy, so he had cool shit to look at, but then I was like, How's Medusa looking? Like, oh no. So you know, have have a code, a code phrase. That's always good too.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

Safety first, then teamwork. Hopefully, our cat doesn't actually shit all over the place, though.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Anyways, go off on a tangent. Well, well, let's hear your case, Brittany. You're like, since you're talking already. Just keep going. Um so my case, uh I I know that we already kind of give a heads up that things get graphic, but I do want to give an even more of a heads up that this case has some really uh gruesome and graphic details. Um and it is a very recent case, uh, which for me made it um really hard to do this one. I put it off all week. Um, but this case is actually it's uh my ex, it's from it's in Michigan, and my ex is from Detroit, Michigan. And so um the the victim in this was actually like a friend of friends kind of thing. And so we were hearing about it right when it happened. Um and before I met you guys, I had dreamed of uh having a true crime podcast. And I always said that this would be one of my first cases, so I felt like I had to do it today because I'm finally on a true crime podcast, so I have to do this case. So this is uh, and the the victim has the same name as a very popular actor, so I just want to get that out of the way before I just say it. And it's like, wait, what? So I'm gonna talk about the murder of uh Kevin Richard Bacon from Swartz Creek, uh, Michigan. So Kevin was 25 years old, lived in Michigan. He was a psychology major and a top-tier student at University of Michigan in Flint. Um, also at the university, he served as a peer educator in the Center for Gender and Sexuality. He was working at a pharmacy at the time, but he was a very talented hairstylist. He had a lot of clients who just adored their time with him. You know, some people would say like if we would just get in conversation and lose track of time, and I'd be there for hours and you know. Oh he had a love for his family, his friends, um, his cats, Smokey and Fuzzy, and his dog Hannah. He loved doing hair and makeup. He was just absolutely adored by everyone that knew him. He had a hummingbird tattoo in honor of his grandma, which hummingbirds for me symbolize my grandma. So that was like I read that detail today and I was like, oh my god. Kevin struggled with mental health and his identity, I think, as a lot of 20-somethings, and especially those in the LGBTQ community, but he had a lot of love and support around him throughout it. On Christmas Eve 2019, Kevin told his roommate, Michelle Myers, that he was leaving to meet a man that he had met on Grindr, left the house around 5:15 p.m. Nothing out of the ordinary, you know, with talking about the meetup or anything. Around 6.20, so like barely an hour after Kevin left his house, uh, Michelle received a text from him, supposedly from him, saying that he was having fun and he may not make it home that night. Which that already to me is like, I mean, I know like I've had, you know, okay, date's going well, like we may stay out later than I planned, but that's like a couple hours into it. So that alone is it's kind of fishy. That yeah, like that's weird. Is that going into it? Yeah, because I mean, we get into it later, but like the the person that he was meeting with lived like 30 minutes away. So I mean, this would have been like after maybe 20 minutes of being with him. So that alone is fishy. And then um Michelle said that um she then believes that he shut his phone off right after that, which again she said is weird because Kevin never goes without his phone, always has phone on him, you're always able to attack him. Yeah. So um, it was kind of weird, but she didn't really think anything of it, you know. She kind of figured, okay, he just got caught up, you know, having fun, whatever. Next morning, he did not show up to his parents' house for their annual Christmas brunch, and his parents uh were immediately like, okay, this is weird. Where the hell is Kevin?

SPEAKER_03 14:41

So his dad texts or calls or anything to like let them know or anything. He just didn't show up and couldn't be reached.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Like, oh fuck. Nothing. And uh his dad just immediately was like, that's not like him. So he called the roommate, uh asked if she could go wake Kevin up, assume that he just like overslept or something. Um, and then that's when she went and looked and saw that his car wasn't there, he wasn't there, and almost immediately the family filed a missing person's report um because of just how, yeah, how unusual it was for him to just not show up and not be available. So, you know, search nearby began, and his car was found in a shopping center um parking lot in Clinton Township, which is about four miles away from his home. And in the car was a bag of the clothes that he left in and his shoes, his cell phone, his credit cards, and his cash.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

So and and you said he drove like 30 minutes away to meet this man, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Well, so the guy, the guy that he was meeting lived 30 minutes away. Um but his car was found only four miles away from his house. Um all of his all of his shit was in it. So police went through the phone and they found, you know, by going in there and trying to look at his communication with people, they went into Grinder and found messages that um led them to want to go talk to Mark Letunsky, who was a 50-year-old man that lived about 24 miles away from Kevin's home. Letunsky had already been kind of on the cops radar in the past for reasons that I'll get into in a little bit. So they drove to Letunski's house uh in Bennington Township. And let's see, this was on December 28th that they they went to his house. He greeted the police, said that he was home alone, and allowed them to come in to search the residence for Kevin. So the cops went down, um, you know, looked around the house. They went down to the basement, and um, in the basement, they found kind of like a secret like side room. Michigan State Police Trooper Robert Viviano walked into the room. He said that it was like the room was like cold to the touch, like just it was a very cold room. It was well lit, but it had black concrete walls along the walls. There were chains, and um what? He noticed a couple little, you know, like random things like a humidifier and like a little like portable toilet on the floor. Um and then um he so he went into the room and he looked, he saw this and he looked to the right and um he saw Kevin's nude body hanging from the rafters by his ankles, and he was hung up using like a rope and a pulley system. He was hanging right above like a dirt floor because there was like a trapdoor in the floor almost that uh he was so he's hanging from the rafters, but his body, you know, he was partially in that trap door, so just hanging right above the dirt.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Yeah. So um police immediately identified that it was Kevin because he at the time had purple hair and he had some really recognizable tattoos. Letunsky almost immediately admitted to murdering Kevin. He said that he stabbed Kevin in the back of the head uh or back of the neck, and then he hung him from the rafters with that rope pulley system. He then slit his throat after Kevin was dead. Letanski used a knife to cut off his testicles, and then he cooked and consumed uh both of Kevin's testicles. Um what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Yeah, yeah. So and this room that this man had, like, is this his only known victim? Because that seems like he had really methodically like had this room in his house planned out.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Yeah, or in the police system. It was something I remember um discussing it with my partner at the time and just being like, This fucking sounds like a modern-day serial killer. Like, but um seriously, police believe that this was his only murder victim. I mean, they never really yeah, they never pursue trying to look, you know, for anyone else or or anything.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Why would you fucking not Where are the blood samples in the room? Like Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Well, I mean, like he could have been like he it sounds like he'd been planning this, you know, obviously. Um and this may have just been the beginning of his like this one and then he just admitted to it.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

Well that is true.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

He'd left a really um really good and easy trail for police to track him down by using a dating app to you know bring in his victims.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

That's true. Exactly. Um, yeah, no, I mean that could very well be that you know, Kevin could have been his, you know, planned first of however many. Um my god. Yeah, and those details, like the details of how they found him as far as being like hung hung up in the basement, like that was kind of that kind of came out like almost immediately. But then the details of how and what had happened to him came out a few days later. And uh, you know, it was a pretty small neighborhood, and so obviously this news traveled fast and people were shocked. And I did want to include one little light piece in this case. Um, so I found this quote from uh one of the residents nearby. Uh the quote is that's nasty. That's it. That's the quote. That's nasty. I can't even imagine anybody doing something like that. So I just I was like, you're interviewed for like a you know, news report, and that's that's really for a gruesome crime when you're gonna pull up that's that's nasty.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

Like okay. You guys unfortunate, that's really Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Some fucking people's children. Even the fact that like the news then use like don't include that. Like, why would you think better? No, yeah. Um Yeah, I guess I just found actually when I was looking today, found an article that had a lot more details that because it came later after I kind of stopped, I stopped following it at one point because it just was getting to be like too much. Um but I guess Letensky later stated that he planned on turning the skeleton into bone meal for planting and to dehydrate his muscles into dry. So he had more plans. Yeah. Awful.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

That is so premeditated. It's literally psychotic. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Um we're not kidding when you said this was dark.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

I told you I really was hesitant to do this. My goodness. But I, you know, I don't know. I wanted to talk about Kevin. Rightfully so subtle. So Mark Letunsky, a little about him uh and this piece of shit. Uh so he's 50 years old. He was father of four with his ex-wife, Emily Letunsky. Um, he was a chemist. He received his bachelor's in chemistry from Central Michigan University. Uh he divorced from Emily, I believe in 2013. At the time of the murder, he was married to Jamie Arnold, who he had been married to for more than three years. So he was married to a woman at the time of this. No, Jamie was a man. Oh, okay. So yeah, yeah. So Letunski, yeah, Jamie, Jamie Arnold. Um he had a long history of mental illness. He was diagnosed in 2010 and 2012 with severe, recurrent, and chronic major depression with psychotic features, adjustment disorder with depression and anxiety, personality traits. Um, when he also had a history of most of these things his his ex-wife had said could be controlled with medication. And I guess Letenski had a habit of taking his medication. And then I think, like a lot of people with mental health issues, they feel better, so they stop taking their medication. Oh no, you can't do that. And they're not better. It just means the medication is doing what it's supposed to. So keep it up. Yeah, yeah. Our brains don't get fixed by the medication, they're just held over by the medication. Um I'm I mean, I'm guilty of, you know, back when I was still drinking, I mean, I would plenty of times be like, I feel great. I'm gonna stop taking my medication for, you know, depression and anxiety. Like it's a common thing. But his ex-wife had said that when he doesn't take his medication, he'll watch torture and horror movies, talk to himself, stay out all night, threaten to get rid of his children's animals, claim their son isn't his child, and fail to shower and shave. So this man is obviously like super fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Yeah, yeah. He's got a lot going on. From what I'm gathering, is this is some super fucked up shit going on in this man's mental health.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yes. And it's weird because um Jamie, his husband, had said that he had never really seen any issues with Mark and his mental health until like July earlier in that year.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

He started kind of seeing some weird things, but you know, he's like noticed the torture room in the basement, like he had no idea that this room was a thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Well, Jamie and Mark were both part of the BDSM leather community. Pretty well known within it, actually, which for me is a kind of alarming because I know for me when I'm doing my like detective work on a dude that I might go out on a date with, if I see that he's, you know, going out and he's social and he has all these friends and he knows people and people like him, like I'm like, all right, cool, this guy's chill. Like, right. And now Letunski, I will uh send you guys a photo of him, or you can look one up. He is not a unscary looking person, he is kind of gross and looks terrifying. But like I said, he was very popular amongst this community. Um and so it could have been a room that was used for, you know, BDSM, which is totally fine when it's consensual. Um, okay. There is speculation um just between the the messages on Grindr that the cops had found that that this was that Kevin might have wanted to meet up with Mark just to experiment. I mean, you know, he's 25, he's still figuring himself out, like to experiment and figure out what they like, you know, sexually, and that's super healthy and great. And I, you know, didn't start doing that till I was like 31. But I mean, people do it, you know, whenever. And so especially in the BDSM community.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

I mean, you want to find people that are open to it and that are, you know, experienced so that they can help you get experienced and exactly you're looking for those people.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

I'm sure for Kevin to see Mark, this person that is so well known in that community and very open about it, uh he probably felt like you know, you that yeah, that he was someone that had experience was safe.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Yeah, there's no way that this could go awry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

And there were even messages between them where Kevin was like, Kevin had asked for like reassurance that their encounter would be safe. So I mean, like that literally was something that Kevin was like, you know, I want to do this. Let's you know, we we're gonna do this. Are you sure this is safe? Well, you know, like I mean, so it's just like yeah, it's just so sad. Like he No, it's fucking awful. He was doing all, you know, the right things yet, you know.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

So I mean he was trying to check all of his boxes. He was trying to be like, I'm gonna make sure that this is safe, and I know this man, and he's well known in the community, and he did his background work, he followed all the tips and exactly. And you know God.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

So I had mentioned earlier that the cops were somewhat familiar with Lutumsky, and this was for several reasons. So in 2013, he was charged with parental kidnapping um because he failed to return his kids back to their mother when his uh visitation time was done. So no, no, yeah. Yeah, don't he was like at a hotel and like refused to give them back kind of thing. So don't do that. That's not gonna be chill. Yeah. So at the time he was found incompetent to stand trial due to his mental health, and he was ordered uh outpatient treatment. Oh my god. And then in 2015, the case was reopened and he was deemed competent. Um, but the case was dismissed and he was hospitalized. Um the whole case was dismissed? The whole the the parental kidnapping. Oh dismissed. Oh yeah, yeah. Woof. Sorry. I'm all yeah, they just no, whatever. No, no. So fast forward to 2019, a couple months before this happened with Kevin, on October 10th and November 25th, both of those days, men were reported fleeing from Lutunsky's home. Letunsky lived, yeah, like I said, Linsetsky lived like in a small uh kind of rural area. So he had his home and then a lot of land around it. And both times neighbors had noticed uh men, yeah, running from Lutunsky's home. One of them was, I want to say it was on November 25th, the one he was reported to like have blood on his face and was fully naked, except for a leather. Some reports say a leather kilt, some say it was a leather cape. So I'm not sure which it was. And with Lutunsky like chasing him. And when the cops were called out to it, Letunsky said, Oh, you know, we were having consensual, you know, this consensual sex foreplay shit. Well, and he is saying that the guy got spooked and left, but whatever the leather cape or kilt, whichever it was, was like a$300. So he Letunsky was chasing to get that from him. And in this area, my what my ex had told me is that it was probably very easy for the cops to just dismiss all of this because it was in an area where you don't they didn't want to get involved with the gay community, the BDSM community. They're not an bad publicity. Yeah, yeah, it's not bad.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

If they would have just taken action, this could have been avoided. It's such a fucking piss-off.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Yep. Yeah. So nothing was done because they were just a community that the cops deemed not, you know, necessary to pay attention to, which is just awful. Cause look what happened, because nothing was done before.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

And all too common.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. And, you know, that is one thing, like a theme, and in, you know, when this was happening and reading comments and everything, it's just, I mean, it happens all the time, but just so much victim blaming. And, you know, well, he wanted to do BDSM. Like, that's what he gets. Like, that's not what the BDSM community is. Like, fuck that. And you know, or or oh, well, he shouldn't have met with someone online. Everyone meets with someone online, like that, none of this is any like this Kevin was doing nothing wrong, and you know, and it just puts a bad name to you know those communities, and it's just awful.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Um, no, it's it's these people like this that ruin it for everybody else. He was just going out to have some fun and yeah, like try to get some experience, and that damn it, dude. That's so fucked.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Yes. Uh Lensky was arraigned on December 30th uh via video. And this video, you can look it up and watch it. I remember seeing it. It is just he is just the creepiest motherfucker. Like he just is so he's just so creepy and out there. And in the video for the arraignment, he claimed that his actual name was Edgar Thomas Hill, and that Mark Letunsky was his nephew. That is an arraignment. Yeah, yeah, on it. He's like, My name is Edgar Thomas Hill. Like, and he had a history when he would have encounters with the encounters with the police of using false names, saying that Mark Letunsky was a cover name, like just weird shit like that. He was charged with one count of open murder and one count of mutilation of the human body. Almost immediately, almost immediately, people were figuring he was probably going to try to, you know, plea insanity and and say that he's not competent to stand trial.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Like he has in the past.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Yeah, exactly. And on January 7th, his public defense attorney, Douglas Corin, submitted documents to file plea of insanity um and ordered for a forensic evaluation. On February 27th, he was ruled incompetent to stand trial. Yeah he was sent to a forensic center to help regain competency. So in Michigan, just because someone is ruled incompetent to stand trial, that they will continue to test for competency until they are ready to go to trial. So that's it's not yeah. So it's not like, you know, it's not like it's competent to stand out of trial. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Like they will try to that's not a get out of jail free card, you motherfucker. Like figure it up, yeah. Medicate you like you're supposed to be, and then charge you rightfully so. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

So Michigan is doing that right, at least, I guess. Good for Michigan. Yeah, so that was on February 27th, and then uh flashboard to October 5th, he was found competent to stand trial. And on October 23rd, he was formally charged and held without bond. However, due to COVID ruining everything, it has not it didn't ruin it that bad, but he's still been waiting for trial. Like to this day. Yeah, like he's currently awaiting his third competency evaluation that his attorney has requested. Can I backtrack a little bit? What years did this happen in?

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Like just 2019. Reiterate that. So this is like three years coming that he's been awaiting trial over 2019. Two years?

SPEAKER_01 34:34

No, a year. Like it's only been a little over a year because it was in December of 2019. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry, that math was not flying. I'm not good at math. I was like, where do we right?

SPEAKER_03 34:45

Is he out on bail?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Still not good at math. No, no. There was no bail. No bail. No bail. So he is still he's still waiting um for trial. He is asking to have another competency evaluation, which his attorney is kind of like, okay, like it he did probably will get it, you know, the the incompetent. But if he is able to go to trial, the trial is probably not gonna be until a little bit later this year, like March or April. If he is found not guilty by reason of insanity, though, he will be hospitalized probably for the rest of his life.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah, because he can't manage his own medications, and it's all could have been prevented if he would have just kept up on his mental health and which is super fucking important. Yeah, and here we are.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Because the thing is, Mark, he uh admitted to the murder when they found Kevin's body.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

So like he's like immediately you said, like, yeah, so like this guy's hanging in my basement. I mean, what else do you how are you gonna not confess to that?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Exactly. So really at this point, it's just is he gonna spend life in prison or is he gonna spend life in a hospital? There should be no way that this man is every death sentence? Because I feel like they don't. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

They don't, so it's there's certain places where I feel like it's very necessary for the death sentence to be a thing. I mean, this is one of those cases like that is so grim and so fucking brutal and so uncalled for and so unnecessary on all across the board.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Yeah. There's there's a lot. I mean, there are because of how recent it is, there are so many articles out there. And a lot of them have all the same information. Every now and then you're gonna find one that has a little bit of new info, or but yeah, so he is still waiting trial. And I wanted to make sure that this wasn't just all focus on the awful piece of shit that did this. So I'd like to end this with just some things I found and that some of Kevin's like friends and family had said about him, um, to try to just highlight what a you know great person he was. Yes, wonderful. Please. Yeah. So his friend Angela Beauchau said he was always just uh he was just always so friendly and nice to everyone he met. He always could put a smile on anyone's face. You could tell just by looking in there that there's so many people that even if they weren't part of his everyday life, they're going to be affected by this. Um, that was at his uh memorial. His dad said uh that just says that his father said, once tragedies like this happen, you wonder as a parent if he did a good job raising your kid. And he saw the support and the amount of lives that were there. He said, We have done a good job. We did do good with him. We raised a good kid, and he just met the wrong person. And unfortunately, that person took him from us. And then the last thing is from Michelle Myers, who was his roommate and the last person that saw him. Um, and this was an Instagram post that she put up. It's hard to put into words how the last few days have been, how I'm feeling, and have how things are right now. Kevin was my best friend and someone who I've been able to confide in for many years. He was one of my biggest supporters and someone who I felt like I could be myself around. Kevin could brighten up any room he walked into. He loved talking about hair, makeup, fashion, and music. He loved Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and Jeffree Starr. He was amazing at making vivid hair colors look great and was passionate and creative about his hair work. He loved the color Tiffany Blue with a passion. He loved getting tattoos. He also loved his friends and family so much. He came to my band concerts at MSU and while I was in the marching band, he came to my senior recital and was my own personal hairstylist, even dyeing my hair the night before as a graduation gift. We were always able to vent to each other. He was always so empathetic and gave me great advice and perspective when I needed clarity. He was like my own personal therapist. I remember asking Kevin not too long ago what his dreams were. If there were no limitations and he could be anything. He said he wanted to be a hairstylist for the runway and wanted to work as a hairstylist in a major salon in a big city. I believe he fully could have accomplished these dreams. He was so creative. Kevin has had an ongoing struggle with mental health. He wanted so desperately to be happy, but sometimes that was a real struggle for him. But he always wanted to better himself and sought help when he needed it. He was also always honest and transparent about things, but he always put others first before himself and was self-sacrificial in his actions. He'd make others happy sometimes at the expense of his own happiness because he cared so much about his loved ones. He felt things so deeply and emotionally. He always put his heart into the things he did. He was so compassionate, caring, and loving. He was intuitive and intellectual. I wish it didn't have to be like this. I'm so thankful I was able to call Kevin Bacon my friend and like a brother to me. I'll never find anyone else like him. He's irreplaceable. I'm not ready to say goodbye to my Kevin. Yeah. This yeah, the story's weighed like super heavy on me since it happened. I yeah, just to rough one every time.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Brittany, I want to just strait out and say, like, uh thank you so much for coming forth with this and sharing this story because you know, as much as we joke and we laugh and we make puns and do whatever with these true crime cases that we're talking about, like we always have to remember that these cases hit home and they're so close knit to so many people, and this is not always something that should be laughed about. Yeah. And I want to thank you for coming forward and like doing this case for him.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And you know, it's easy, I you know, it's easy to cope with uncomfortable things with comedy and laughter, and that's just what I do. But yeah, it's a coping mechanism for sure. And I have even, you know, reached out a couple times being like, I don't know if I should do this, I don't know if I can do this. I wanted, yeah, I wanted to tell Kevin's story and have the focus be on what a amazing human he must have been. Thank you. He deserves justice for sure. Yeah, good job.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Thanks, thanks, guys. No, thank you for that. And uh may he rest in peace, you know. At least I mean, I would like to believe that the the great beyond is just full of happiness and love, you know. Yeah, that's what comforts me with any death, whether it's animals or people or tragedies or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Hopefully it's it's better over on the other side. And um one thing I I forgot to mention is after his death there wasn't a GoFundMe set up for his final expenses. Jeffree Starr, but actually donated$20,000 to it. Oh wow. Yeah. You know, that was one of Kevin's like idols, and so that was uh that was a smiling. That he's smiling wherever he was. Oh my gosh, yes. He yeah, he probably was just like Jeffree Star Yeah, so so that was that was really bad. And for the record, Kevin Bacon, the actor, did make a post uh regarding Kevin Bacon. So oh well that's nice of him too. Yes, anyways, all right. Well, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

My case is not light either.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

Are any of them really light?

SPEAKER_00 42:15

I mean I'm putting my you know my spin on on it, so shall we dive in? Let's do it. Alright. My case is on the grinder killer. It takes place across the big old pond in England, more specifically, London. Stephen Port was born February 22nd, 1975, in South End on Sea, Essex. He and his parents moved to Dagenham in East London when he was about one year old. He was raised and grew up in Dagenham, and his parents still live there today. People would describe Port as a loner, and he was often bullied in school. One of his neighbors had mentioned for a grown man he had an odd, childlike personality. Port eventually came out as gay in his mid-twenties and lived alone in a small flat in barking London. Might I just add, London has the strangest names for places I have ever heard in my life. Like some of like the South and On sea Essex is confusing because it's like London, England, South and On Sea Essex. I don't know what any of that means, but who came up with these? It's interesting, but who put that there? Strange slash fun fact. If you ever watch the TV show Master Chef, you may have seen port in a short appearance on the show. So let's uh talk some more about grind. As I guess we both did grind cases.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

I I don't I clearly have never used grinder, so I didn't try to get into the details of it because I don't know how it works, but Well, here you go.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

I never used a finding app, that's why I opted out this week. I was like, I've never I meet my people organically. I guess. I don't mean to. I just the universe flowed in my direction. I'm not normal. I'm not normal at all, Gavin.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

You should know that by now.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

So I'm sure a good handful of you guys have or know what Grinder is, but for those of you that don't dabble in gay dating apps, I'll fill you in. Grinder is a geolocation hookup app for men to meet men based on who's closest to them. It is used by gay men, by men, curious men, all kinds of men, even shitty ones. For the most part, Grinders grid is full of headless torsos and blake profiles. Catfishing is quite commonplace on Grindr, and you can easily waste an evening trying to get laid and end up having to wink alone.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

You had to put that in there, didn't you, Evergaven? You had to do it.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

Port used Grinder for more than just sending unsolicited dick pics. For him, it was his hunting ground. Now let's get into his weapon of choice. Gamma hydroxybuterate, otherwise known as GHB. Or G Fantasy. Grievous Bodily Harm. Juice liquid ecstasy, liquid E, liquid X, Georgia Homeboy. So scoop Georgia Homeboy! Georgia Homeboy. Jerry Meth and Blue Nitro. It is also called fishies because it is sometimes sold in the small fish-shaped soy sauce containers sold with sushi.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

What? What?

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Why? I don't know. It's generally made in small batches in people's homes rather than illicit drug labs and comes as a clear liquid with no smell that often tastes salty. It's often sold in a small plastic container or sometimes as a white powder for about ten dollars a dose. People usually swallow it but can inject it or insert it analyzing.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

It always comes back. All the butthole.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

Who uses it? People who either don't want to remember their night or people who don't want someone else to remember their night. We all know GHB is a date rape drug, but did you know that people take it for funsies?

SPEAKER_01 46:26

I feel like I've heard that before.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

No one is certain what naturally occurring GHB does in the body, but we do know it increases levels of dopamine in the brain, a neurotransmitter that helps control the brain's reward and pleasure centers. Its effects on the body start within 5 to 20 minutes of taking the drug and lasts three to four hours. And that's what I believe like a normal dose. GHB causes a loss of inhibition, relaxes people, boosts their sex drive, and promotes feelings of euphoria. But side effects include memory lapses, drowsiness, clumsiness, dizziness, headache, lower temperatures, tremors, nausea, and diarrhea. If you've experienced any of these symptoms, please contact your primary care physician.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

I'm gonna side with the the prescription commercial ending there. I agree with all of that. And it was not good for the home team.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

The effects of the drug may vary according to how much people take, usually 0.5 to 3 grams if they are used to taking it and if they have taken other drugs, including alcohol. Symptoms of GHB overdose include vomiting, sweating, shallow breathing, confusion, agitation, hallucinations, seizures, blackouts, unconsciousness for several hours. Also, again, if you experience any of these symptoms, please contact your primary care physician.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

I'm so trying, Gavin. You had to do it. You had to do the prescription commercial for convulsion, didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 47:50

Thank you. I like that a plot. I think I will consult my doctor.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Some people have died from GHP because they appear to have gone to sleep, but are actually unconscious and have stopped breathing. Stephen. Oh my god. You know, his name actually might be Stephen. Is it with a pH? It is a pH. I've watched a whole documentary on this, but whatever. It's a pfffu. He doesn't deserve correct ad, you know. Puff. So Stephen had an obsession with GHB. His neighbor had reported that during a visit to Stephen's home, he saw a tote full of small bags of white powder and medicine droppers filled with a clear liquid. He said there were hundreds of bottles. I had no idea why any one person would need that much GHB or drugs. I don't know if he knew if it was actually GHB at the time. He definitely knew there was some sort of drug. And it took like he said it took up the entire table. It's just powdered sugar for the coffee gallon. It's fine. So that's a whole lot of Georgia homeboy, if you ask me. Oh my god, about the Georgia Homeboy homeboy. Steven's neighbor also pointed out that Steven had an unquenchable thirst for men. One right after the other. Girls, same. Unquenchable thirst for men. Can we just let the hoes hoe? We don't shame around here.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

No. You do you boo-boo. Sled it up.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

So our victims. Stephen used gay hookup apps, Grinder being one of them to lure his victims to his home. He would use false names, old photos, and fake careers to entice young men. He told the young men that he was a graduate from Oxford University, that he was once in the Royal Navy, and even a special education teacher.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Was he not any of those things?

SPEAKER_00 49:34

He was not any of those things.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Oh you fucking warrior. God damn it, I hate a liar.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Stephen's first few victims would be lucky enough to escape with just blurred memories and a terrible migraine. His first victim, a 19-year-old university student he found on Grinder, who remains unnamed, told authorities that he went to Stephen's flat, chatted, and was comfortable enough to indulge in a glass of red wine. When he finished the wine, he noticed a congealed powder at the bottom of the glass. He immediately knew something was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

Do not drink drinks that are pre-made for you or that are left unattended, you guys. This is super serious these days.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

Stephen's next victim, another young man, only a year older than the last, also reported that he felt safe and comfortable with Stephen, even saying he thought Stephen to be a very nice guy, just like the last victim. Stephen offered the young man a drink, non-alcoholic this time, which quickly rendered him unconscious. So he's like clearly putting enough GHB in these drinks to, you know, to do them in. So let's see, when the man came to, he described that he felt as if he had no control over his body and began to scream and call out for help. Stephen, as strange as this is, took the young man to the police station.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

Oh weird. Morality check? Did you feel bad, you motherfucker?

SPEAKER_00 51:17

So officers noted that he was distressed, incoherent, and unsteady on his feet, even vomiting.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

No.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

The man told police that he'd been given G. The man was unable to say with certainty that Stephen had raped him while he was under the influence of GHB. Now at this point in the story, this is where the cheese begins to slip off of Stephen's cracker.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

4 a.m. The morning of June 19th, 2014, Stephen phones paramedics and reports the body of a young man collapsed outside of his home. Oh my god. Anthony Walgate, a 23-year-old student, was found by paramedics on the sidewalk outside of an apartment building.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

Wait, who reported it?

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Stephen did.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

The man that did it.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

Yes. Reported. Okay. So looking for identification, paramedics found a small bottle of GHB in Anthony's pocket.

unknown 52:09

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

A toxic. Yep. A toxicology report would conclude that Anthony had more than enough GHB in his system to cause an overdose.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

Authorities would label this just an overdose, cut and dry, and dropped it.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

Why? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 52:25

What actually happened, and I'm pretty sure you have a pretty good idea already, just as the victims were for him, the two had met online, but this time Stephen was using a gay escort website. Stephen agreed to pay Anthony eight hundred pounds for an all-night session that Stephen had zero intentions of paying Anthony. It is unclear when Anthony succumbed to the GHB overdose. What was clear is that Stephen had drugged and without a doubt raped Anthony. This motive was literally noted in court documents. The evidence establishes that Stephen Port's sexual preference his sexual preference is for penetrating very young men who he has rendered unconscious by the use of GHB.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Okay, I was not a sexual preference.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

That's a fording to court documents in uh London, it is.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Is that an option on the click down button? No. I was gonna I was gonna say like a bite trans.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

I had to read it like eight times because I was like, am I Am I reading this right?

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Like they how does they even when does that become a category in the fucking sexual preference section?

SPEAKER_00 53:31

I think it's probably because of for a very consistent amount of time, and we'll we'll get to it. This was literally the only way he had sex.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Can we get a cleanup and aisle sexual preference? Because that is disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Real messy over here. So when Anthony's body was found, Rigor Mortis had already set in, which meant that he had been dead for quite some time. So when the paramedics found him, like he was already stiff. Anthony was long gone when Stephen called the ambulance. Stephen also had left Anthony's body in his apartment to go to work. It wasn't until Stephen came home from work later that night that he drag poor Anthony's body out to the street.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Oh God. What happened to just like charming men and flirting with them and doing it's a lot happy.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

For real. Stephen would eventually change his story that Anthony had visited him at his flat, but that his death was the result of a self-administered overdose. He said that he moved the body outside out of panic, lest the police should m quite mistakenly think that he had in some way been responsible for Anthony's death.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Oh fuck you.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Oh fuck you, less, you know, suspicious. But Stephen didn't stop there. So not very long after that, Gabriel Cavari moved into Stephen's flat on August 23rd, 2014. This flatmate arrangement wouldn't last but six whole days. Gabriel's body was found by a woman walking her dog propped up against a brick wall inside a cemetery just blocks from Stephen's flat. Just don't mark your dog, you guys, because you're gonna find dead bodies. Again, a bottle of GHB was found in his pocket. Oh my god. In Gabriel's cause of death, a lethal dose of GHB. And once again, police would file this away as an accidental overdose.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

Was he just planting the shit to try to make police believe that they were just using it recreationally?

SPEAKER_00 55:21

So all these people. Oh my god. So just imagine for just one minute that you're an old lady just casually walking your dog through a peaceful part of your neighborhood and stumble upon another body in the exact same spot. Wait, so it happened again? No. The body of Daniel Whitworth, a 23-year-old chef full of life and potential, was found in the exact same spot by the exact same woman, and I feel really bad for her. The same woman found two bodies.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Two bodies. This is like, you know, trailing back to the Route Riades case where that man found those two bodies walking his dog. Don't walk your damn dogs all.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

And just we're a blindfold, apparently, because I can't believe she went and walked that same route. If I found a body, now granted, my like life goal is to find a body, but if I found one, I probably wouldn't go back to that spot. Like it's her favorite place to walk her dog. The sandwich I'm sure it was mine if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

I mean, I kind of from like the aerial photos of it, I kind of like is that it's a churchyard that has a cemetery and that kind of like a park too sort of situation. And so Daniel and Steven began corresponding through a gay dating website called fitlads.com. After many conversations, they arranged to meet in the afternoon of September 18th, 2014. The next morning, Daniel's FitLads account was deleted in an attempt to cover up his tracks. Cause of death, GHB toxicity. However, this time a suicide note was found with the body. In the note, which was clearly not in Daniel's handwriting, what is stated that Daniel intentionally overdosed on GHB.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Yeah, I'm gonna call Bo shit.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

Catty Womp is all of this. Oh my god, I love our little British boy. Welcome to the show. When Daniel's family read the note, they said it in no way represented how Daniel communicates whatsoever. And once again, case closed. Police suggested that Daniel had been in a relationship with Gabriel and that they had been using GHB together. They suspected that Gabriel had accidentally overdosed and died. Police assumed that Daniel took his own life out of guilt. Here's the kicker. The two of them did not know each other. Uh and police did not investigate any further. Oh my god. That's that's the good old dress system for you. On to our next victim.

SPEAKER_03 57:56

There's another one.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

Oh yes. Oh my god. Jack Taylor, a 25-year-old forklift operator, met up with Stephen around 3 a.m. on September 13th. So these are all in very quick succession of each other. After a night of drinking at a local club. There is evidence that Jack used a gating websites in the past. However, Jack was not yet out of the closet. The two of the men met at the barking railway station and then went back to Steven's flat. Just before 7 30 a.m. that morning, Stephen blocked Jack's account on Grinder, also deleted their conversations.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

It is suspected that Jack was already dead by this point. Cause of death, motherfucker, it's a real thing. I mean, time of death, they can map that.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Later that morning, Stephen deleted his own grinder account. Stephen also sent a battery of text messages to his flatmate, discouraging him from coming back to the flat, because he did not want his flatmate to find Jack's body. So Stephen took Jack's body to the churchyard and propped him up against the wall in a sitting position just on the other side of the wall from where the others were found. In his pocket was a bottle of GHB as well as a tourniquet and some medical wipes.

SPEAKER_03 59:08

What does he think is a Hollywood director? You're just gonna try to map these fuckers out like they just killed themselves?

SPEAKER_00 59:15

You already know. At this time, police still have not made a connection to all these deaths.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

What?

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Why?

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Fucking idiots. Okay. Why though? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

Which is an absolute disgusting display of negligence on their part, but that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Jack's sisters didn't believe for one minute that Jack had overdosed on drugs. So they took it upon themselves to try to figure out what had actually happened to their brother. A little more digging, and the two sisters were able to find the three other cases, and there laid the connection. CCTV footage of Steven and Jack walking to Steven's flat was released to the public to help identify the man walking with Jack.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

Which can we just discuss what CCTV is? Because we don't have that in America.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:03

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:04

Oh we do?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Yes, it's essentially just like security cameras.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

I never really knew. I almost thought it was Chuck E. Cheese TV, because that's what they call it a Chuck E. Cheese.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

Now you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

But I didn't think it was like actual, but that's the only colour. It's called closed circuit TV.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

Right. Alright. And this is just with the street cameras that they have. Yeah, street cameras, security cameras. Just to check their time, which is super fucking smart. If we're gonna use like invasive video work, let's do it there and not elsewhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

So days later, Stephen Port was identified from the video and the images. Now that they had found Jack's killer, they finally made the connection to the other cases. Also, due to the publicity following Stephen's arrest, more victims came forward. On November 23rd, 2016, Stephen Port was convicted of assault by penetration, rape, and murder, as well as the rapes of three other men he drugged and ten counts of administering a substance with the intent and four sexual assaults. He was found guilty of all counts. In total, eleven men were known victims of Stephen's crimes. On account of the police and their shoddy police work, do better, motherfuckers. Now I'm gonna rant a little bit. Fuck an A. There are many moving parts in this case, all of which easily form concrete connections. All of the victims were found with GHB bottles in their pockets. All of the victims' phones were missing. All of the victims succumbed to overdose. All of the victims were cute young little baby nuggets. That's a pattern, motherfucker. They were all found in a one very small area. Like literally blocks in front of his door, and then like literally maybe two blocks away from his.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

Can we get a five-block radius and then some patterns here? I'm gonna start being that crazy person pinning shit on walls.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

So I mean this is speculation on my part, but I really don't think it really falls that far out of realm of possibility. The whole gay aspect, police just kind of just kept brushing. Shows to overlook it. Yep, because they were all gay men. That's so fucked. So in the families of these victims were all led to believe that their loved ones had died in a tragic self-inflicted drug overdose, which ended up being far, far, far from reality. And all in all, the only person who knows exactly what happened to those four men is Stephen Port himself, and he still has not come forth with any more information. I was gonna say, did he confess? No, he denies that he did it. Fucker. So I have personally been drugged with GHB, and it is not something to fuck with. I was completely sober when it happened, and I will tell you it knocked me on my motherfucking ass. It was absolutely terrible. In the next two days, I felt like I was going to die. So, anyhow, if you would like to learn more about this case, you can watch the BBC documentary, The Grinder Killer. And that's my case. Fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:50

God, I really full of piss-offs tonight. In prison. He is. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

Yeah, he's been charged for all sorts of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:59

So yeah. Oh my god. What a fun episode. Oh my god. Yeah, we went hot. We went hot and heavy and that's all happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

Yay.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

This is just your it's another reminder, you guys. You have to pay attention.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:14

Pay attention to what you're doing. It's just not a joke, though. It's fairly real.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

Yeah. That's you never I mean, you never know who I mean You never know who you're gonna meet, and even the people that you do meet, and you know, you still don't know what they're capable of.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

And it's just sad, but yeah, we just have to stay on such a high alert for ourselves and um yeah, you know, yeah, not put into a I mean you just have to check all of your bases when you're going out in public, when you're going to do these things, even when you're just going to the bar with your boyfriend or your husband or your girlfriend, like you always have to watch your back because this shit's out there. Yeah, it's in every one of our towns. You don't think it is, you hope that it's not, but this shit's happening, and I'm sure it's happening to like more people that would like to admit it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:05

Just let me fill you guys in on a little detail. When I was researching a case for this episode, this was not difficult to find. There were so many. And I went through I found one that was really intriguing that I'm gonna cover eventually, but I couldn't cover it now because there's not enough information on it because it literally happened mere weeks ago. Oh shit. And uh again, it was grinder, like grinders terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

Gosh. You should just raise awareness on this because this is the now, this is this dying age. This we like a lot of us do this. We log on and we're hoping for good things, but like this bad sinister shit is out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

The digital age has brought forth a like I said in the beginning, a playground for fucked up people. Totally making it so much easier. I mean, you don't have to go driving to find a hitchhiker anymore. All you have to do is get on Tinder, invite someone over to your house.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:56

Yeah, and and Brittany, I do want to know what happens because this that fucker's still on trial. I I think we should retouch on this, and uh yeah, exactly how it's supposed to, and because I I want to know. This is like a cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

Yeah, that guy should get exactly what he deserves. Yeah, I'm gonna be um following this and looking for updates. So yeah, as soon as there are any updates, yeah, I'll definitely touch on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:20

Well, that's good. All right. I'm sorry it's been so hot and heavy tonight, you guys. But with true crime, I mean, sometimes what you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

Yeah, it gets dark, it gets personal. It's rough.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

This one was you're really sad after this episode. I have an idea. You can join our Patreon. I was just gonna say that. It seems like some lighter contents and some fun recording our first uh Patreon episode the other night, and it was a total shit show in the good fun way. So if you need something to laugh at, trust me, you can laugh at our stupid asses.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

I agree with Patreon. It was amazing. And listening to it, I would die laughing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

Speaking of Patreon, we have some Patreon shout outs to do. We love guys. Let's hear it. A big thanks to Ann Mitchell being our very first patron. You are the OG bad. Baddest bitch. The baddest bitch. Thank you, Vanessa Dennison, John Bragna, Stephanie Deese, and Tracy Stone. Y'all is some of the baddest bitches, and thanks to you. We can continue to get our freak on. Weekly. Yes. All the time. So also, if you guys uh love what you hear, please rate and review us on Google Podcasts and Apple Podcast. You can also find us just about anywhere you find podcasts. You can also check out our website at nightcaptruecrime.com. Feel free to click the annoy us button and annoy the fuck out of us.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:50

I don't know, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Also, you can even call our voicemail line by dialing 1-509-850-0671 to give us feedback, tell us how pretty we are, or tell us about your favorite case. You just might end up on an episode, so be careful what you say. And make sure you guys tune in next week for Torture Terrors. Special guest Scotty joins us to tell us a tale you quite might want to forget.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

I'm excited. Can't wait. I can't wait to hear it. See you all next week. Bye, bitches.