Without A Trace

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This week, we look at two cases where the victims disappeared, never to be seen again.

Monika Rizzo disappeared on May 5, 1997. She left work without any of her personal belongings, and her boss was unable to reach her, until 8 days later when she said she hadn’t been feeling well and would return to work the following Monday. She was never seen again. Well, not alive at least...

4th of July weekend 1966, three friends - Patty Blough, Renee Bruhl, and Ann Miller - left their homes in Chicago to spend the day at the beach. When none of the women returned home that night, missing persons reports were filed and the search began. Their bodies were never found. Several theories circled around the mystery, including a planned escape, a botched abortion, and a criminal horse betting circle.  

Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard-of cases.

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SPEAKER_02 0:03

911, what is your emergency? I just found a body. I don't know what to do. You are listening to Nightcap, a true crime podcast where we drink a little. Okay, maybe a lot, and deep dive into horrific murders, sinister crimes, and unsolved mysteries.

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Each week, we will take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard of cases.

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Including authentic reactions from rotating co-hosts and insight from trained professionals to give you a real forensic look into true crime.

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Be warned, this podcast does contain explicit content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion is definitely advised.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

I see you're back for some more true crime bullshit. This is our second episode, Without a Trace. Today we're going to talk about two cases decades apart filled with mystery and some good shit. I'm Gavin. I'm Susie, and I'm Brittany. We're pretty new to the podcast world, so if you like our content and are interested in helping us succeed as bad bitches in this dog eat dog podcast world, head on over to our Patreon and subscribe for special bonus material, sidecar episodes, video, and free merch. So, ladies, what are we drinking over there in Portland, Brittany?

SPEAKER_07 1:30

I am drinking athletic brewing, Upside Dawn, which is a non-alcoholic golden, which might not sound that exciting, but it's very delicious.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Ooh.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Brittany is our sober podcast co-host. She hasn't been five years, which is congratulations to you, girl. That's awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:53

Thank you. It's insane and crazy, but um, yeah. It's it deserves some recognition. It does. It deserves recognition.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

I don't know how you do it, but you're a bad bitch.

SPEAKER_07 2:03

I appreciate it. Well, I was a shit show before, and so seeing me not as much of a shit show now is uh a good reminder daily to not be that shit show again.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Fair.

SPEAKER_07 2:15

Love it.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Big fan.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

What are you drinking over there, Susie?

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Um, I pre-funked at the bar earlier for my sister's birthday. I was drinking some vodka huckleberry drinks, but now I'm drinking Heineken. I love it. I said Heineken. It's got three ingredients. I don't like any of the filler bullshit, so I lean on Heineken when I'm looking for something light.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

I'm a basic bitch, so I'm drinking uh lemonade black cherry truly. That sounds delicious. Like my go-to because I apparently have lost my tolerance to hard alcohol. And yeah, I took one or one shot last week, and then a glass. I always drink my rum on the rocks, and I had one glass of rum, and I was nice and toasted by the time we started last episode. So I had one glass at the birthday party, and now I'm just um and uh oh, and one baby shot of rum.

SPEAKER_07 3:13

Baby shot.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

You know, I'm just gonna roll with the truly.

SPEAKER_07 3:15

I can't even imagine what my tolerance would be. I'd be like a little rude. I need a drop of like smell it, and you're just all it's out.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

You're taking your nail polish off of the nail polish remover, you're like, ooh, I gotta take a break. It happens, it happens. But seltzer is the future. That's it's weird. That's a 2020-21 thing. Seltzer.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

It's that's a pretty new age thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

It's hot. And I've been drinking just like straight up seltzer water for like the longest time, and then they decided to make it into alcohol, and I was like, bitch, what?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

They have it with electrolytes and vitamins now. Really? And alcohol and alcohol too. Why wasn't that around five years ago? I know. I seen a billboard and a spoke hand, and it was like just another seltzer water, but we have electrolytes and vitamins. And I was like, do those two cancel each other out? I don't know, but good for you guys. Reach for the stars. Yeah, good effort, good effort.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

All right, shall we dive in? We're diving in. All right, since our cases are disappearances, I'm going to give you guys some facts on missing persons. So I got my information from three different sources factoretriever.com, louthinvestigations.com, and of course Wikipedia, because I'm also, one more time, a basic bitch. So by definition, a missing person is someone who has vanished and whose welfare is nor known, and their disappearance may or may not be voluntary. Now this is where shit gets crazy. Roughly 2,300 people are reported missing every day in the United States.

SPEAKER_06 4:58

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

What was that number? 2,300. Wow. Every day? Every day.

SPEAKER_06 5:04

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

This one was fun because it's kind of morbid. There are more than 40,000 sets of unidentified human remains in catalog in the United States.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

Wow. That's a lot of Jane and John IOs.

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That's a lot of Jane and John Dives. Wow. The media tends to focus more on women, particularly white women, who go missing because of society's obsession with damsels in distress. This phenomenon is called missing white woman syndrome.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Oh my god, it has a name.

SPEAKER_07 5:35

It has a name. I never knew that. As I'm about to talk about three missing white women. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Yeah, but everything type. My missing woman's a white woman, too.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

At any given time, there are an estimated 90,000 missing people in the United States. And approximately one child is reported missing every 40 seconds. What? That hurts my stomach. I know. That insane.

SPEAKER_03 6:05

I'm a mom. That that fucking hurts my stomach. Yeah. I don't like thinking about that. Maybe you are.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

I don't know how that would work. Here's another fact, and it's this one's really important because there are a lot of people that do not know this. There is no federal mandate that requires you or law enforcement to wait 24 hours before reporting or investigating a missing missing person.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Which it was like that. So when they make that excuse of that it hasn't been long enough, like that's not a law. That's just like their own wow.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yeah, that's the missing kids on milk cartons in the 80s and 90s brought forth the phrase stranger danger. Mmm. Which I use a lot on dating apps.

SPEAKER_07 6:53

There was this weird uh in like the 90s, my mom like bought this set of um Stranger Danger videos, and they were they featured this character named Corky the Alien.

SPEAKER_06 7:08

Was this like educational videos? This was supposed to be educational for Junior.

SPEAKER_07 7:18

Sorry, I'm a template for Stranger Danger. I think they were the fucking weirdest. You can look them up on YouTube, Corky the Alien, Stranger Danger. And um, I still remember the theme song to them. I'm not gonna sing it, but sorry. Oh my goodness. So you're just brought with so wild. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We'll have to do it later.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Maybe we won't do a sidecar episode. Yeah, maybe we link it in the blog.

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We'll link it on our Patreon so you guys can jam to the stranger jam. I'll pick up a dance. Sorry, sorry. I was real scared. That's the new TikTok dance for it.

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I got a couple more facts for you guys once you get your shit together.

SPEAKER_07 7:59

I'll just mute out for the rest of the episode.

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Brittany's over dying. Alright, most children abducted are abducted by immediate family members, and more than 90% of them are returned safe and sound.

SPEAKER_06 8:12

Oh, that's good. Oh wow. Good news. That is a good number. I mean 90%. That's that's a good number.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

I think the high the number is actually higher than that. I think it was like 99%. But I kind of lowered the ball just a little bit for be safe. So this is a fun fact. Amelia Earhart is the most famous missing person case in history, aside from Hitler, but fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, I imagine that.

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People with mental illness and people with drug addictions make up a large percentage of missing person cases each year. Which is not surprising.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

No, it's not. I know.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

It's super sad. And my last little tidbit the majority of missing people are found or returned within 24 hours. It is also noticed that the first 12 to 24 hours are the most critical hours in a missing person or child's case.

SPEAKER_06 9:02

Yeah, totally. Or else it goes cold.

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Boom.

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There's your facts.

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There's your fun facts.

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Do not fact check me.

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Click, click, click, click, click, click. We will we'll set our reference as at the end of steps.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Alright, which one of you guys won the number game? I forget already.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

I lost. You lost. So I'm going first this week.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Alright, Susie.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Which is fine. I went second last week. So you know what? I made my bed. I'm gonna lay in it.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

I hope you guys all right, you guys. So I'm jumping in with the disappearance and murder of Monica Rizzo. So I was looking up cases and I wanted to find one that was incredibly interesting. And this is what stood out to me. You know, I've watched crime shit since I was like eight years old. I was hooked on CSI, crime scene investigation, Nevada. I love that shit. Big crush on Warwick. He's hunky as fuck. I loved him. Grissom, also cool. He loved bugs, which I know you get that. We're gonna get him that in later episodes of like how bugs tie in.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Forensic entomology.

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Yeah, how it ties in. It's a whole thing. So I found this case, and I was barely able to find any like general info on Monica Rizzo, but the general info that I did find is that she was 44 years old when she disappeared. She was married at the age of 18 to her husband, Leonard. She had two sons, and they lived in San Antonio, Texas. So I have to note that this case is a lot shorter than my case last week. So I just kind of ran with it. But it's it's juicy, you guys. I hope you're ready. I like juicy. Let's do this. It's gonna be good. So I went on a timeline this time. But so it starts out on May 5th, 1997, Monica just upped and left her place of work, and she left behind her purse and all of her personal belongings and just ditched the building. And so her boss tried calling her over and over again, but it wasn't until eight days later that her boss finally was able to get a hold of her. And Monica told him that she hadn't been feeling well and that she would be returning to work that following Monday, which was May 19th. So that was like two weeks after she just up and left her job. So it's it's strange. That's fishy. And so after that, even after that her boss had talked to her, Monica never returned to work and she just vanished. And there was no missing persons report ever filed for Monica Rezzo. And she was still married at this time? She was married with two sons, yeah. And no one there was no missing person's report ever filed on her. So I purely believe that if this didn't happen, that she wouldn't have ever, like, really been found, which is why I thought this was super interesting. So it wasn't until June 5th, 1997, that the San Antonio police received a tip from an anonymous caller claiming that Monica Rizzo had been murdered, her husband Leonard was the one responsible, and that her bones could be found in the backyard of the Rizzo residence. So this is a tip that the police got from some random caller. And this is when Monica Rizzo popped up on their radar because they had no idea. They were like, had no reason to even know that she was gone or anything like that. Because there was no missing report like report for her.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

So husband never filed anything.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

No, no. And we get a boss didn't really say anything about it or like well, right. I mean, we'll get into that later because the bots and the coworkers were definitely really involved. No, that's how that's good. But so um police wasted no time to respond to that call, and within 30 minutes, they arrived at the Rizzo home to question Leonard about his wife. And upon arriving, they knocked on the door and they noticed like some discrepancies, and they ended up entering the home, and they found Leonard was having a seizure when they had showed up. So they literally rolled up to the spot and he was seizing. Which later it turns out that he had been having seizures pretty normally at that point, which nobody really knew about, but that's what police walked into the door to. Oh, that's alarming. And they called the ambulance, obviously, and Leonard Rizzo was taken away in an ambulance. And so while he was taken away into the ambulance, police were able to interview one of the couples or one of the sons of the couple. And he had said that he had not seen his mother in over a week. And that's what he told police. And so they asked him, Hey, can we like check around the house? You know, because they obviously just heard a tip that she's buried in the fucking backyard, or you know. Right. And so he agreed to it. And upon their investigation, they also found that uh Monica's clothes were still in her closet and her car was still parked in the driveway. And they also barely skimmed over the yard because this was just an anonymous tip. They thought it was a joke, which was stated. Yeah, because they were like, you know, we get these types of tips all the time. This is just a joke. So they skimmed over the yard and they didn't find no evidence of human remains. They only found animal bones at that time. So just some animal bones.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Like, did they have a dog?

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah, we're gonna get into it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:17

So when Leonard was eventually questioned about his wife, he claimed that his wife had come home the afternoon of May 5th, which is the day that she left her work unexpectedly, but disappeared a few days later. When asked why he never filed a missing persons report, he said, quote unquote, I was very confused. It made no sense. My wife and I were very close. There was no reason for me to believe she wouldn't be coming back from wherever she had gone. I have faith in her. I just chose to wait. So that was his statement. Okay. Why he never filed a missing persons report on his wife that just up and fucking left.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Well, if they were so close, like, don't you think that you would notice? Like, okay, something's not right. My wife is still not home a week later.

SPEAKER_07 15:01

No, exactly. Someone commenting thoughts and prayers, like, but help like I was just hoping.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Yeah. No, exactly. So five weeks later, on July 5th, 1997, police received yet another tip call from the same caller anonymously. He reiterated that Leonard had killed Monica, which was the husband, but this time he specifically told police that her remains could be found in the backyard under a pile of tires. What? So he was more specific this time. So after he seen that nothing was happening for four or five weeks, he called again and gave him a specific location. Okay. And so police returned to the RISA residence and they searched again. And this time, sure enough, underneath that pile of tires. Are you ready? Yeah. They found a human skull, bone fragments, and a bag that was filled with what seemed to be human flesh. Just a bag? Oh my god, what? Garbage bag, garbage bag, human skull, bone fragments, and a garbage fucking bag full of what seemed to be to investigators, a bag of human flesh. Whoa. Okay. Okay. Oh my god. It gets juicier. So at this discovery, or after the discovery, Leonard claimed that he had no idea who those human parts that those human parts were there. How'd that get there? He says, those bone fragments and such, where they came from, I don't know. How they got there, I don't know. And I adamantly did not kill them or anyone else. That's his quote.

SPEAKER_06 16:44

I quote Leonard Rizzo. What a weird way of saying any of that. Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Yeah, he's like, I don't I don't know. I didn't kill them. I didn't call them to kill or anyone else. So they also went to further investigation, obviously, because they had that um like reason to, after they found human rings in the fucking backyard, they were like, we're gonna check the whole property. So upon further investigation to the Rizzo home, they went inside it and it yielded evidence of a violent struggle. And blood spatters actually covered a like bastion drywall across the house. So there was blood spatters, crushed fucking sheetrock. Okay. When question about the state of the house, exactly. So when question about it, Leonard claimed that he had only gotten emotional and upset about his wife being gone. And he quote unquote beat up the house. Oh, right. And he also claimed that the house won. Okay, Kyle.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Where's your monster energy drink?

SPEAKER_03 17:52

What the fuck? So the husband claims that he was just so upset and distraught about his wife leaving that he decided to get in a fist vice with the house, right? Which that there was already it's fishy. It's fishy. Okay. This I'm gonna- I say it last time, I'm gonna say it again. This case fucking pisses me off. Yeah. More I just I don't know, gotta say it. So now we're gonna rewind. Before Monica's disappearance, her co-workers were actually so concerned about Monica due to them noticing bruising on her arms and her face and a dramatic drop in weight that they asked authorities to conduct a wellness checkup on her. And so police officers did, and the responding police officer noted that Monica had bruising on her face, but she surely insisted that she was perfectly fine. Of course. So police went to her house and she answered the door, black eye, fucking whatever, and she was like, No, I'm fine, everything's fine. And the police went over. He's like, Okay. And it just got filed away into fucking nothing land.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

And then shit escalates and escalates and escalates, and then the poor woman ends up dead.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

So that was before her disappearance. Yeah, that her coworkers actually had caught on to this shit. So it's crazy. So, but also in a lender or in an interview, Leonard had also stated that quote unquote, I'm gonna come I'm gonna quote Leonard again. He had stated, quote unquote, there was no domestic abuse, there was no domestic violence. My wife and I were deeply in love. We are deeply in love. We'd been married 26 years, going on 27 years now. It's a long time. Big yikes. So I just want to point out how he how he literally said, My wife and I were deeply in love. We are deeply in love. That catch right there. Oh my gosh. God. Calm down, Kyle.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

You fought the mic and the mic won. Good thing we don't have any drywall in here. Yet.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

I just want to say I fought the mic when I wasn't the mic won, goddammit. Okay, so now we're gonna go back to the bones. So after they the discovery of the bones, the police had archaeologists from the University of Texas come in and analyze the site. You know, they wanted to call in the professionals, and they found that bone fragments littered the entire yard. And not only that, you guys, not only that, they even found fragments inside of the family barbecue.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Okay, um, back to like the murderous flower girl. My dream wedding. Um that is talk about just yap.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Let me saw you explain to me how this happened. Oh, I'm gonna get there. We're gonna get there. So over the span of eight days, archaeologists searched the site of the remains, and they ended up discovering. Are you ready? Yes, over 200 human bone fragments that littered the Rizzo yard. And all of the fragments were chopped up into pieces no longer than three inches long. What? These are teeny tiny little bone fragments.

SPEAKER_07 21:16

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Popping up everywhere. It's like an Easter egg hunt for these fuckers. They said that they were popping orange flags everywhere that they found a bone fragment. So can you imagine what this yard looked like after they were popping orange flags into every fucking spot that they found these bone fragments in? A sea of fluorescent yellow or orange. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So over 200 bone fragments. And so at this point, this is the kicker, police could only speculate that this body had to have been disposed of by being fed into a wood chipper.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

I know it. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

It's like a sprinkler. Okay.

unknown 21:59

So

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Actually, Dr. Hard, the leading archaeologist, said it's the only quote unquote, it's the only machine that can account for this type of breakage. You wouldn't get it with a saw, you wouldn't get it with a knife, you wouldn't get it with a lawnmower. It's a funny machine that could be responsible for this type of breakage of bones.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

And to think that there is someone out there who knows the difference between what a lawnmower does to a body, what a saw does to a body. What a work chipper does to a body.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

You're an archaeologist and you uh you just like knew that.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

I feel like I went into the wrong line of work. Oh my god, the whisper is yeah, so horrible.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

So we're gonna fast forward a little bit. The DNA from the bones did eventually come back in 1999, which was found in 1997, but found in 1999 to indeed be that of Mrs. Monica Rizzo's. So back in 1997, when they found the bones, they said when they had ran it through DNA or whatever, they were like, this belongs to three or four different bodies, and none of them we can identify. So it wasn't until 1999 that they would like ran the shit again through the CODIS or whatever, and it was like, this is a match. It's fucking Monica Rizzo.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Which is crazy. So then they also did more digging, and police had also confirmed who the anonymous caller was. It was a man named Robert Hakala, who was actually a family friend, and he said his reason for calling in the tip was that while over at the Rizzo's house, he found his dog playing with a human jawbone in the backyard. Oh god. That's crazy. It gets even sicker than that. The reason why he decided to call the cops was that he picked up the jawbone. And Mrs. Monica Rizzo had a very specific line of bottom teeth that were very different and very noticeable. And he picked up the jawbone and immediately knew that it was Monica's jawbone because of the bottom teeth. Holy fuck. Awful. Insane.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

Susie, you have outdone yourself on this one.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

And we're second one. It's good. That's good. It's juicy. I told you, it's a piss-off, it's juicy, it's fucking good. I should have gone first, Danny. So now, even though all the science pointed to the husband being guilty, the authorities did not have enough substantial evidence to make an arrest. What? Yeah, that's what I said. Did you test the blood spatter in the fucking house? Did they find Did they find the wood chipper? Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

No. Oh no?

SPEAKER_06 24:55

He rented one and brought it back to Home Depot the next day. So this is where Oh my God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

I should be like this is terrible.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Sergeant Daryl Voles even stated that during a police interview on July 5th, 1997, Leonard said that if police could guarantee him 10 years probation with no jail time, that he would tell them everything.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Please tell me that didn't fly.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Of course not. Yeah, what is it even like Yeah, like what a shit shell blow from the door and be like, 10 years probation? Yeah. Am I am I good? No. I get to call the shit. That shit doesn't work like that. I mean it with Robert Yates, it flew because like he was eight or thirteen and was gonna reveal another one of a missing person's case. Like, yeah, maybe, but he they were like, we obviously can't do that. It wasn't in their power to make such a deal. Like, obviously, they couldn't do that. Murder's 25 to life. There's no way around that. Yeah. And after the sergeant made that statement, Leonard Rizzo actually made a statement to newspapers that he denied ever agreeing to confess to anything and that the police were lying that he had ever said that on July 5th.

SPEAKER_06 26:07

Lord help me.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Which July 5th was when they found the body. That's when he was like, I will tell you guys everything. Just make me a plea deal. He was already like, without a lawyer, make me a fucking plea deal.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

Idiot.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Yeah. But then later he was like, I never agreed to confess to anything. Not me. No, I'm I'm innocent. Hmm. Right. So Lena Rizzo was never arrested or charged with the murder of Monica Rizzo, and nobody has been. What? To this day. To this day, nobody has been charged with her murder.

SPEAKER_06 26:40

They couldn't find anything else to like get him on. That's apparently fucking not. Apparently not.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

Like they I there's no info. Blood in the house and finding the witchabur. Did they test the blood in the house? Did they see it was Monica Rezzos? There's no info on that. The bag that they looked got fingerprints on it, like a shovel, like any like there had to have been fingerprints somewhere.

SPEAKER_07 27:06

Oh my.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

Detective Gabby is gonna have to like check this out because this is fucked.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

I know there's a whole thing, like looking the shit up. I was like looking and digging, like they had to have dug into this more. They had to have tested the shit. Took them two years to even confirm if the bones were hers. Did they not test the fucking blood in the house?

SPEAKER_02 27:24

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

And they fucking did it. They didn't even find out till two years later that it was even her bones. They said it was three to four people's fucking bones. And then they were like, actually, all the bone fragments found in the backyard were hers. And Leonard Rizzo was like, somebody's framing me.

unknown 27:41

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

There's no he says there's no doubt in my mind with the anonymous caller that somebody had done this and they are framing me.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

In my own backyard.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

I mean, and I have to I have to kind of side note here. Sorry, Brayton, to interrupt you, but I have to side note that there is no pure evidence to convict Leonard Rizzo of actually committing this murder. So at that point, it is up to speculation. And it's sucks because I want to know.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

I guess it is all pretty circumstantial.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

I mean, it could be the collar. It could be the son. It could be.

SPEAKER_06 28:17

If if they dug more, I mean, they probably could have. And the sons never said anything.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

The one son had said, yeah. He hadn't seen his mother in over a week, which wasn't like, yeah. But the husband was saying, Oh, I have all full faith that she's gonna come back. She just needed some time, or like, you know, whatever, we're in love, you know, whatever. So he was never arrested or charged with the murder of Monica Rizzo, and nobody else was either. So it's still open to this day. But although in 1999, Leonard was arrested for stabbing his new girlfriend, Susan.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Well, well, well.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Oh, it gets about her. It gets about her.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Please tell me there's a wood chipper involved.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

No, luckily, this is some good news. Oh, okay. I got some good news here. So he was convicted of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug possession. But upon arrival to the home to question Leonard about these crimes on his new girlfriend Susan in 1999, so he moved on pretty quick, which is kind of a bullshit fucking move if your wife is still alive.

SPEAKER_07 29:30

And you're trying to then, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

I have to I have to state right now that like through all the interviews and all the shit, like, even though her DNA had been proven to be hers, like he was always adamant that she's alive. She's alive, she's out there, she's coming back, we're in love. That's not he was totally like, there's no way I didn't kill my wife. She's not dead, she's out there, she's coming home. He was repeatedly saying this in interviews. My wife is not dead. She's not dead, she's not dead.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Sounds like Scott Peterson.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

But the DNA was the the DNA was found to be Monica Rizzo's in 1999, which at this time he had gotten a new girlfriend. Why would you get a new girlfriend if your wife was still alive?

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Why would you get a new girlfriend while your wife's um bone fragments were all over your yard?

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Yeah, and you're not even getting charge for it. So he had, you know, got arrested, and upon arrival to question Leonard about these crimes, he answered the door with a gun drawn and pointed at police, and police shot him down. So he kind of knew he was guilty. I mean, that's what I gathered from it. Like you're an answer and be like, Yay. But he did survive the shooting and was successfully arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, and drug possession. But when Susan made her police report with police to get him arrested, she told police that Leonard Rizzo threatened to, in her own words, kill her, chop her up, put her in a garbage bag, and bury her. Oh. Oh snap. Oh. Sounds familiar. Right. But there's not enough substantial evidence to link him. You know. Nothing. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 31:27

What a bold motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

He really flew under the radar in this one. I I I can't believe that there's not more evidence done on this case. Is that is that your whole case? That's it. Holy shit, Susie. That's the ending point, is that he did get arrested and he's serving time for threatening or he did stab his girlfriend. She fucking lived. But in the police report, she had said that he was gonna kill her and drop her up. That's enough evidence for me.

SPEAKER_07 31:57

To at least look further. It I just how it just seems like lazy police work. Like there are so many places that there could have been bigger.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

For way fucking lacked it. There's people in jail for marijuana charges for along. Yeah, but Leonard's chill.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

No, and that's the whole thing. And he was he was also trying to bank on her unemployment and tried to file a case against them not playing him the unemployment for her, and their reason why they stopped payments was because you're dead. A lead suspect in your wife's disappearance. So they didn't even consider her dead for like the longest time. Like, this is such a hiccup in the criminal justice system that she was just like still considered vanished, even though they had buried her body after they found the fragments and everything two years later. There's oh my god. There's nothing. There's damn. It's a fucking piss-off. And if you guys if you guys are interested in hearing more, this is on one of the old school. I don't know, I watched this growing up, the mysteries. Unsolved mysteries. Yeah. This is one of those episodes. I mean, it's like a 10-minute fragment of the episode that they barely touched on it. But that's like I found this case and I dove into it. And like you can hear a little bit about it. I mean, I went more way more into detail about it, but want to hear a funny story about unsolved mysteries?

SPEAKER_07 33:24

Yeah, that was a crazy case. Thank you. Crazy. That was fucking wild. A ward chipper. So yeah, that one got me.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

My roommate and I are watching the new the new one on Netflix, and the first one ends, and I'm like, so they didn't catch the guy? Like, I feel so I unsatisfied. And she's like, Gavin, it's unsolved mysteries. And I'm actually thinking, like, maybe they were gonna like solve mysteries.

SPEAKER_07 33:55

I was so disappointed. My um partner at the time, he he did the similar thing at the end of an episode. Like, wait, they didn't solve it? Like, no, it's unsolved mysteries.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

Like, no, they just came out with a new Netflix fucking uh series about that. I was talking about oh my god. I sat there and I'm like half drunk watching this shit and I'm like, oh I know what happened. And they're like, this remains yet to be solved. I'm like, god damn it.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Has it all figured out?

SPEAKER_03 34:27

Well, that's why I wanted to find a case because I was looking through all these cases and I was like, I want to find one that's like not just completely unsolved because those ones piss me the fuck off. I just have to say.

SPEAKER_07 34:37

Well, I'm not gonna talk tonight then. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Well, I'm leaving because I can't handle foreshadowing much. So I wanted to I wanted to find that was partially solved. Yeah. I mean, I think I have an opinion about who did it. We all do. I think everyone does. Even the wood chipper.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

The wood chipper was like, I got no wood chippers.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

It sells no lies. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Wood chipper.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

It's still sitting on a fucking rental hall. Fuck you, what's price? I've seen some shit. Oh my gosh. So if you guys have an opinion about my case and who did it, let me know because there's speculation. They think that maybe the son did it, maybe the husband did it, maybe the guy who called in did it. How did he know that the dogs are? Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

It may not have been his dog.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

It's up to speculation. I want to hear you guys' opinions.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Like, let us know what you think because I am generally I mean, I have my opinion, but you guys can head on over to our website, nightcaptruecrime.com, and click the annoy us button and send us an email.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

And annoy us. Let me fucking know you guys. Blew my fucking gorn, okay? But I have to I also add in this joke because Gavin did name this episode without a trace, and I was talking to my boyfriend Zach, and I was like, Well, there was over 200 traces of the girl found, and he goes, Yeah. My Griffin's like, they should have probably named the episode Picking Up the Pieces. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Amazing. I love it. We're going straight to hell. Picking up the pieces.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

All I know is I'm gonna be too drunk to drive the bus. So, Brittany, you're in charge of driving the bus. That's you, guys. I got you. Susie's gonna bartend and I'm gonna DT in my undies.

SPEAKER_07 36:38

Pick up the pieces. That's gonna be the name of uh Leonard's memoir. Memoir memoir. How do you say that word? Memoir.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Find him and punch him in the face. Oh no, exactly. And I actually side note, I on this website, I'm gonna link it in our Patreon of our references of where I found info on this case. There's comments open on this case, and I'm gonna leave this open for you guys to investigate if you're curious. But these comments on this page of this telling of the story of Monica Rizzo, the comments were open, people were commenting all their opinions, and their second son that was not interviewed for this case was commenting on this website, telling his opinion about what had happened. So I'm gonna leave that open for you guys to interpret. I don't know if it's actually him. I don't know if it's real. It was really interesting to read. So we'll link it on our Patreon, and you guys can take a look at this website in the comments listed below because he did not claim to have his father's back, but he was calling motherfuckers out for false information, and I found it very fucking interesting. So we'll link that in our Patreon in our subcontent if you guys want to take a look at that.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Hell yeah. All right, Brittany.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Sorry, boo-boo.

SPEAKER_07 37:50

I that is a hard act to follow. Um uh wood chipper, bitch. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

I don't I but I don't have a wood chipper.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

What about a cement mixer?

SPEAKER_03 38:02

I don't have any of that. I'm just joking. I'm excited to hear.

SPEAKER_07 38:07

Alrighty, so um I had originally picked a different case, but um that one is a little bit more current, and I wanted to spend a little extra time and care on that one, so I will uh circle back to that one another time. So I chose to do the disappearance of Anne Miller, Patricia Ballau, and Renee Brule, which is also known as the Indiana Dunes mystery or the Indiana Dunes disappearances. Um different name, we're Indiana Dunes.

SPEAKER_06 38:44

Yeah, my name is Susiana Indiana Dunes. You know what? With your parents me.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

No, my middle name is Renee. Okay, I was like, oh, that's cool. Um mine's Marie, so uh anyway, so our story, our story. All right, so this sorry, I'm like I gotta loosen up. All right, so it was uh July 2nd, 1966, and it was a Saturday, it was at the start of the long 4th of July holiday weekend. And um, Anne Miller, who was 21, and Patricia Balau and Renee Brule, who were both 19, um, they all lived in Chicago and they drove about an hour away to the Indiana Dunes State Park, um, which was a beach, just to sunbathe and go in the ocean and whatever you do in 1966 on the beach. Um, your beach day. Your beach day. Um, so Anne was uh the driver. She lived around 8 a.m. She had told her mom that they were gonna be back by early evening because one of her friends, Renee, needed to be back to uh cook her husband dinner. So glad I'm glad I'm not in 1966.

SPEAKER_04 40:08

Um that's a good wife.

SPEAKER_07 40:09

Yeah, yeah. Um, so Anne picked up Patricia and Renee. Um, Patricia and Renee knew each other from high school, and the three girls knew each other because they all rode horses at the same stable. Um, horses play an interesting part in this whole thing. Um later. So they got to the um Indiana Dean State Park around 10 a.m. And since it was 4th of July weekend, the beach was super busy. Um, there was like over 9,000 people there. So mercifully easy. Yeah, yeah. This is pre-pandemic ages. Literally. I hope they all have their masks. Um so it was like super easy for them to like just kind of fade into all the people there. Um, they sunbathed for a while and like because they got there around yeah, 10 a.m. sunbathed, just kind of hung out. There was a couple that was sitting right next to where they had um parked themselves on the beach, and just kind of briefly saw them go into the water around noon. Um, the only reason why it kind of stood out is because they left like all their belongings behind on the beach. And like I said, it was like a super crowded, really crowded beach, and they they left everything. They just walked into the water. Um they eventually said that they saw the girls um go into the water and then go up to a boat um with an unidentified man. And the boat was a 14.

unknown 41:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 41:46

Um the boat was a 14 to 16 foot long white boat with blue interior. And I just want you guys to picture this description of the man because it's really silly to me. Um, man was described as well tanned, early 20s, dark wavy hair. Oh, daddy.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

I picture more of like an 80s, you know, but what is that like beach watch, like where they're slowly running down a beach?

SPEAKER_02 42:14

He's a babe on a boat.

SPEAKER_06 42:15

Here comes acles, just like I mean, you know, exactly. That's like what I picture. I'm like, all right, alright.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Apparently, I wouldn't be too difficult to like murder a kidnap either if I saw a hot tanned man with wavy dark hair on a butt.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Like, I got a boat. He's got a boat, y'all.

SPEAKER_06 42:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 42:37

No, it's good. It's good. We're we're fine. Um so like I said, the the couple kind of like saw them go, and I apparently like noted it in their brains, but didn't really think much of it um until it got to be about dusk, and the couple was getting ready to leave, and they noticed that all the girls' stuff was still on the beach and they hadn't come back to get it. So um fuck their belongings were still just left there. Yeah, everything was there. And um, I'm gonna say what was in there in a second because it's like a lot of shit. Um and so as the couple was leaving, they like told the park ranger, you know, hey, these girls were here, they left their shit, went into the water. Um, so it was like the first like little bit of like a heads up that something might be weird. Um, but they were more so just worried that like their shit was gonna get stolen. Um so park ranger collected their items. So Anne had denim shorts, polo shirt, shoes, white bathing cap, car keys, and a thermos bottle. Um, you remember Anne drove them there. Patricia had a yellow robe, sunglasses, transistor radio, which sounds fancy. Um, what's knee? Yeah, I got my transistor radio. Yeah, that sounds fancy. And uh Light towel and then a wallet containing five dollars, which I looked it up because I was curious. It's about$40 in today's money. Um you looked that up because I was curious about that. I was like, five dollars equates to Yeah, yeah. Five dollars, that's okay. Um, yeah, about 40 bucks today. Uh and then Renee had a bunch of shit. Uh she had a large towel, shorts, blouse, cigarettes, suntan lotion, which they had purchased on their way to the beach. Cigarettes? Yeah, that was actually one thing that like later it as I get into some other stuff was like a weird thing that she left behind. Like I was gonna say, as a cigarette smoker, you like wouldn't leave your cigarettes.

SPEAKER_03 44:45

Yeah, that might be my addiction talking, but I don't think leave my cigarettes, even if I was targeted by a murderer, I'd be like, give me a second, I'm gonna be stressed.

SPEAKER_07 44:58

Yeah, no, I mean it is something that's brought up later as like a weird, you know, why would she leave her cigarettes? Um and uh let's see, she had 25 cents. I didn't do that math, but what maybe five bucks worth like 25 cents. I thought that was funny that they noted that. Like, could you imagine now like someone noting like they had two pennies in their purse? Um and uh and fifty-five dollars in checks, which I did this is a cluster of crack. Oh, that was about$450. So my notes damn the pay or ED the papers rustling.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

I'm like, yes, bitch, give it to me. She's got it. She's got it. You guys were asking the same question. I was too, and she wrestled the papers that she had. Yeah, second. Yeah, all right, give it to us.

SPEAKER_07 45:51

Um, there was also a note that she had written to her husband that was in her purse, but we'll get back into that a little bit later. Um so this was on July 2nd. So it wasn't until Patricia's father called the park ranger um or the park superintendent's office on July 4th, asking if anyone had seen them um and let the park ranger know that missing persons uh reports had been filed on all three of the girls by their families. Um they actually cared. Yeah, yeah. Unlike poor Monica Rizzo. Exactly. So the Rangers that day kind of started looking around the beach a little bit. They found um, they found Anne's car and it was still parked in the same spot that they had parked it on the second. And remember, her keys were left behind on the beach. Um, and then the search like officially began on the fifth, and it was on foot, on horseback, scuba divers. Um they just started a search on the whole beach and everything, and they found nothing. Like wait, on what day did the search start? This was on the fifth. So it was then like yeah, the day after the dad uh, you know, told them that hey, like they've been missing for a couple days. So it's like someone three days later. Yeah, exactly. Um yeah, so they looked around, didn't really find anything. Um, a guy that was at the beach that day had offered up his like home videos to see if there was anything that they could see in it. Um, there was a point where they do see the girls uh walking to the boat with the guy, so they have that on video. Um, and then there's some stuff that I read that is not um like for sure, but there's some stuff that I've read about um there being like a second boat, like they went on that boat with that guy, and then he dropped them off. The girls were apparently seen walking and eating, like walking along the uh whatever the beach. Um and then leaving on another boat with three men, so one for each. Um but that was quick men, Brittany. I like that. Thank you so much. Thank you. I didn't have to write that one down, feel proud. Um so, but that that second boat part is not like totally for sure, but it's just something that people had said, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Um so the search just left them like completely empty-handed. They had nothing to go off of, they found nothing, no remains, no nothing else of theirs anywhere. Um, so there are like a few theories of what happened to them. Um like fairies. Yeah, there's uh a lot of them, which is um, so the first one has to do with their personal life. So um, as we mentioned, Renee was married. She was the only one out of the three that was married. And when they found her belongings, they had found a letter in her purse that she had written to her husband, basically saying that she was thinking about divorce because like his priorities were not in their marriage, they were more in like working on cars with friends.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Um and but the letter was Was that the same girl that had mentioned that she was like gonna be home to cook her husband dinner?

SPEAKER_07 49:30

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so she was the only the only one that was married out of the three and had this letter, but it was on open. And so um, yeah, apparently later the husband and friends like they all said, you know, there were no issues in the marriage, and it could have just been that she like wrote it when she was, you know, angry one night and then never she had the tea in her purse.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

She was like, This motherfucker, I'm gonna go on a girl's day, and when I'm feeling real hot and fucking suave, I'm gonna give it to him and I'm gonna be like, Yeah, fuck you. Exactly. Come back with give it with his dinner.

SPEAKER_07 50:04

I'm uh good, yeah. So Hasselhoff just picked me up on the beach divorce.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Good peace. She was observing him twice.

SPEAKER_07 50:18

Love it. Um, so that just yeah, they were like, maybe she just wrote it to like kind of vent and then not give it to him. Um so then Anne had told friends a few days prior that she was three months pregnant, and um she had been having an affair with a married man. And so, you know, this is like I said in the 60s, so not a thing that you do or make public. And so she had mentioned um staging her disappearance, and she had also mentioned going to a uh a home for unwed mothers, like oh show these were like just little things that she had mentioned to friends.

SPEAKER_03 50:59

Um well this is back in the time when adultery was very high illegal, which it still is in some cases. I was just having a conversation with friends about this. Like adultery in some states is still very much illegal. Really? That's crazy. I mean, for divorce cases, like you're gonna claim that your husband cheated on you, your wife cheated on you, or whatever. Like, adultery is still one of those laws that stand in some states, and that's like very fucking illegal. So I can see why she was like, I'm gonna disappear, because she's like, I can't say that I just went and fucked this other guy over here and I don't like my husband anymore. Right.

SPEAKER_07 51:34

Yeah, no, this was a second, this was a different person.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

Unmarried woman.

SPEAKER_07 51:39

Yeah, unmarried woman. But she was having an affair with a married man. So it was so on his part, that's adultery.

SPEAKER_05 51:48

Yes, yes. Okay, brain's all um, excuse me. I'm like adultery being surprised in my brain.

SPEAKER_07 51:56

I just talked about this. Yeah, no, it was Anne. Um, and then also rumored that Patricia was pregnant, so the third girl, and also by a married man. Um so we have Renee who Yeah, so we have Renee who's married, but like has this letter saying she wants a divorce, and then you have two girls that are supposedly pregnant from having an affair with married men. Um so well, with that part of it, it's theorized that they may have like planned their disappearance just to kind of escape the bullshit in their lives, and but then that is but then that's that was the part though that they were like, if if they planned this, like they literally left everything behind, like they wouldn't, which I mean it's like okay, well, maybe they did because they staged it, or you know, but that's where like the cigarettes are like, you know, she left her cigarettes behind. She went in the pad.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Are you really smart, but it also doesn't make sense at all? And I mean, like that would be some really methodical thinking.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Leave your life behind, but you ain't gonna leave your vices behind.

SPEAKER_03 53:04

Yeah, you're gonna leave. Yeah, bitch. You're gonna leave her husband, you ain't gonna leave your cigarettes behind girl. Let me tell you, as I pull one out of my black.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Right? I might dip out, but I'm taking my smokey with me.

SPEAKER_07 53:18

Oh so that is one of the theories is that they planned this, they staged it. Um another theory is goes with the fact that Ann and Patricia were supposedly pregnant. Um, the theory is that they had scheduled to have illegal abortions that day because uh illegal or abortions were still illegal in Illinois in 1966. Um so it was possible that they had those scheduled, something went wrong during one or both of their abortions, um, and then poor Renee would have had to have been, you know, killed as well to silence, you know, like so um oh my god. Yeah, so that rumor is and that was like when I read that, I was like, ooh.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Um so that rumor can we plainly just put out there that we're all pro-choice here? Yeah, can we all like agree on that?

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Women's rights 110%. Not your body, not your choice, motherfuckers. Exactly. If you got a dick, stick it somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 54:29

I was waiting to see how you're gonna finish that one. No, I was like Woman rights. So that theory with the abortions is somewhat substantiated because um a guy named Ralph Largo Jr., whose description matched um the one that the witnesses had given about the guy on the boat, um, he was proven to be at the beach that day. And he was the nephew of Helen and Frank Largo, who operated um like an abortion, like an arrow clinic. Yeah, on a houseboat that was offshore in Lake Michigan.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Does he So chance uh is he super tin, have dark waves?

SPEAKER_07 55:17

Yeah, that's yeah, he matched the description uh that wave.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

So the theory is that he yeah, that he like buried them over there to give underground abortions to these women.

SPEAKER_07 55:31

Yeah. Holy shit. And then um, yeah, and then just something went awry, and so they had to kill all of them and just dump them off the boat. So that's yeah. So um what the fuck? What? But there was never, I mean, there was never anything to really look further into that, and um there's no substantial evidence really claiming that that was true. Yeah, like it's just a speculation, like there's literally nothing that they found or looked into to, you know, um God. Which uh I feel like they could have found that boat. Like they knew who these people were, they knew what they were doing, where it was. You would think that they could like yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. In my case, just try harder, yeah. Fucks, like for more. Like there's no um so I'm still up on the abortion boat.

SPEAKER_03 56:28

That's exactly trying to make it a spa day, like that's fucking that I mean that would be a pretty like easy way to kind of keep it hidden, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Yeah, because you can move.

SPEAKER_03 56:41

I guess so. International waters.

SPEAKER_07 56:43

I mean, if you went that far out, I I I don't it's just so like why yeah, yeah, that's the abortion boat. That's the eerie as fuck. Exactly. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like they definitely could have looked into that a little bit more because, like I said, they clearly knew this dude because he was able to verify that he was on the beach. They know this dude, they know these people that are doing it, and yet they just were like, no, I don't know, maybe like so. Yeah, Ralph, uh, the nephew, he died in 2009 and never gave any sort of information like to help the case at all. Um the fifth. Yeah, he just had nothing to tell them. Um so another theory is that the boat crashed and they drowned and they drowned. Um, there was some debris from a boat that was found um, I think like within a couple days. But the families had said that accidental drowning was probably not possible. I guess um Patricia and Anne were both known to be like really good swimmers. Um and then Renee was also a good swimmer, but like I feel like if you're gonna drown, you're gonna drown, like regardless of how good of a swimmer you are. But um I mean, if you're that far out of anywhere like no matter what. Yeah, I I like doggy paddle still. So um Oh my god, I'm right there with you. I don't like water, it's really embarrassing. I can't really swim that guess. I still plug my knees when I like jump in or go underwater. I hate it.

SPEAKER_03 58:17

Uh no, to this to this day, I'm sorry to admit this to you all, but I fucking hate water on my face. Like, I do not get my face wet in the shower. I like grab a wash rag. I don't like it. Not a fan. I can't swim. I don't like water in my face. You've drowned in a past life. Yeah, probably, because I fucking hate that. I'm not a fan. Exactly. Um Gavin's like, really? You can't swim. Really, Gavin, I can't swim. Okay. I'll spend on Yallow end with my cocktail. You I'm gonna sit on the steps.

SPEAKER_02 58:55

Just give her some floaties.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Some floaties, yeah. Give me a donut.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

In both terms. I was talking about the ones you put on your arms.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

I'm gonna be underwater with my ankles up.

SPEAKER_07 59:18

Um so the last one, which is the craziest one, um, as I mentioned, the girls knew each other from riding horses, and um somehow horses tie into the craziest theory, which that too was like, oh, that was funny to me. Horses. Um or the horse. Yeah, like what? Um earlier I was like thinking about this, and you guys remember you guys know the Stefan character from SNL? No, he's on like, no, oh the page. I don't think people watch SNL anymore, except for me, because I'm 700 years old. Oh god. Then I'll tell you the story and I'll tell you the joke another time. Um, anyways, so all the girls rode horses at it's called Tricolor Stables, and it was owned by George Jane. Uh George Jane had a half-brother named Silas Jane, and these two like fucking hated each other. Like they had some sort of feud that started in like 61, 62, um, because I think it's that George's horse like won a race against Silas. And so it was like really bad um tension between them. Um Silas was the notorious leader of the so-called horse syndicate, which was like an underground club that dealt with like buying and selling and betting on race horses. Um this is like a motorcycle club, but with the horses, they're like in the city. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They were in eating rings. Yeah. Oh my god. Um, so Silas was a piece of shit. And he was involved over the years in like a lot of fraudulent activity, um, rapes, murder, um, like real, yeah, real trash. Um, in 1965, a woman named Cheryl Ann Rude, who was I wrote this word for word because it's funny how it was worded, who was associated with the horse market, um what was actually killed by a car bomb at the tricolor stables. Um the car bomb had been meant for George, but George had unknowingly asked Cheryl to like move his car at some point. And when she started the car, the bomb went off and killed her instantly. Um serious about their horse races? Damn it. Because yeah, I mean it was, I don't think ever like proven, but it was definitely believed that Silas had hired someone to plant the bomb. Um and the guy that uh planted the bomb, he actually got like arrested and put into prison like 30 years later for it. And um Silas had paid him years, yeah. Like Silas had paid him ten thousand dollars to plant the bomb, which that's a lot of money. And 55, like yeah, 65. Wow. I can't do maths, but I can imagine. I know I was like$50, so six or$10,000 is money over horses, like what? Okay. Um so yeah, so it was this car bomb meant for his brother, and it killed this poor woman. Um so the theory that kind of goes along with this is that the girls possibly witnessed the car bomb being planted, and so they were killed to be kept quiet about it. Um there are some other things that like kind of point to the girls being associated with all those that horse shit. Um, in March of 66, a couple months before they disappeared, Patricia had a severe facial injury. And when her friends asked, like, what had happened, um, all she would say is that she was having problems with horse syndicate people, um, but never expanded on it. And like I said, you know, his um Silas, his whole thing was called the horse syndicate. Um so I got this chunk from an article on Reddit, and I just wanted to read it because it was written really well. Um I love Reddit. I love Reddit too. I have a I awaited it at all costs because I know that like I'll get nothing done ever. Um but it's never like a solid like source.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

I'm like, should I dip into Reddit? I'm like, that's just opinions. I'm like, but I want to know.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:52

I found just like I found two articles on there, like full written-out articles, which was nice, and then um from another place, and they all kind of lined up. So um, so yeah, it said eliminating witnesses would not be out of character for Silas Jane, who was known to be cold-blooded, cunning, and brutal. The owner of a rival house training business, Idle Hour Stable. He had a reputation for taking advantage of the young women of rich Chicago parents who desired to learn to ride and had no shame in mixing his criminal activities with his stable. Silas is connected to numerous felonies, including the rape of a young woman when sh uh while he was a teenager, conspiracy to kill his brother George, covering up his employee's murder of three young boys known as the Peterson Schwessler murders. Don't know how to say, didn't practice that name. Um and a shootout with police that resulted in the death of an officer. Silas is also connected to the death of an older woman, Helen Brock, um, who was an heir to the Brock candy um fortune. Like, I think those are old, like really old people candy. Um, who has spent over$250,000 on horses and may have gotten caught in up with Silas's horse gang. You can find it in your grandma's candy bowl, you guys just look.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:14

Just move that little nice strawberry-shaped one. Yeah, is in there I was gonna say next to the strawberry candy, it's there, guys. Find it. Take it underneath Silas's sweater.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:22

Scotch. Um uh let's see. So Silas was said to be a psychopath with early childhood proclivities for murder. This part's really fucked. At the young age, like we can talk about like, you know, dead humans and stuff, but you get to an animal and I'm like, oh my god. Um at the young age of eight, he was bitten by a goose on his family farm and was so enraged that he killed each and every goose on the property. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:50

Yeah. Like this look. Can I just interject and say that we had a goose growing up? His name was Henry. My poor my Okay. I ha I loved it. I'm gonna go off on a tangent really quick, but my fucking my sister, pregnant at the time, was walking down our driveway. And we used to have badminton rackets outside, you guys. Like, no joke. We had badminton rackets outside because uh Goose Henry was such a fucking asshole. Like he would dip his head and you knew you were done for. Like you flap his fucking wings. I didn't know this was gonna become a tangent, but literally. Give me more trigger, Brittany. My poor pregnant drama. My poor pregnant sister gets to our property one day, and here comes Henry dipping his fucking head down. And snatches hold of her calf skin. What? She's like, she either just had her baby, which is even worse, or was like about to pop, grabs onto his her fucking calf skin. She couldn't get a Batman racket because she wasn't on the property yet. This goose lashed on to her calf skin. Her ankles are swollen. So oh my god. Like the bruise was so bad, but we we love Henry. Let him rest in peace. He's just they're fucking assholes, you guys. Gooses or geese. They're fucking assholes.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:26

Oh Henry. Oh Henry, I wasn't expecting that to take that turn. Me neither, but it's in there. Poor fucking yeah. He should uh post a photo of Henry on our Instagram. I'll try to find one. So Silas killed a lot of geese. Um at least 11 horse deaths are also connected to him, and he seemed to take his hang his anger at his brother out on his brother's prized horses, including burning 10 of them alive in George's barn and injecting one prize-winning mare with turpentine. Jesus. So this guy's country, but still. Um so That's really normal. I mean, uh Yeah, you know. Um, so weird thing too is that both Silas and George's phone numbers were also found amongst the girls' belongings. So I'm assuming like on a scratch of paper. I don't know. Like, but so they were definitely they definitely knew them and were like somewhat involved, you know, tied to them. That's a mention for sure. Yeah. And so there's some information. Um, I can't everything I read had like different time frames when this happened, but um, some places say it was soon after the girl's disappearance, and some say it was shortly before Silas's death in 1987. But Silas had told a sheriff that he had three bodies buried under his stable. Um the sheriff had like intended to like start a search and look you know, investigation into it, but then the sheriff mysteriously died in a farming accident and could never start that investigation. Shut the fuck up in a farming accident, really?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

How convenient.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:23

Yeah. So people like this theory is questioned because I guess like there were a lot of people at the stable that day, and so they were like, why would they target these three girls? Um, also it was nearly a year later, like he had plenty of opportunities to take care of them before then. Like, why would he wait a year for it? So um there's some doubt that that's what happened to them. Um after his brother George was shot to death in 1970 at his son's birthday party. Um, Silas was convicted of conspiracy in his murder and sent to prison. And he died in 1987 without giving any like self-statement anything. Yeah. So nothing was ever found of the girls. Like they are to this day still missing, um, still considered endangered. The families like still hold out hope. Um that just that's I mean, obviously, not that I'm sure they're not alive, but just something that there's some sort of answers. Um, so their case is still open, but it's inactive. Um and they just, I mean, they literally just like disappeared without a trace. Like there was nothing found ever to try to know what happened to them. No body of the penis, just no picking up the pieces, just there was nothing. No pieces, uh just um eggs. Yeah, damn it, and the cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, the fucking cigarettes. So um yeah, that's that's that one. So they're just gone. And there's all these ideas of what had happened, but nothing solid. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:10

Okay, well, I'm pissed. So, Brittany, thank you. I'm real mad.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:16

I won't come back next week. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

Actually, you are on next week.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:21

I am on next week, yeah. So I'm stuck with me. Um, yeah, so that was uh the Indiana Dunes mystery.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

Very nice case. Jeez and like you could have totally you could totally do an entire case on uh Silas. Good god.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:40

Yeah, no, there was like more that I didn't even get into. There's like more information on that motherfucker than there is check everyone rolls, right? Yeah, and I'll do it. I'll do a side episode on him. Um that motherfucker's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:57

Right. Well, Gavin, do you have any speculation on that case? Like, what do you think happened?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

I I'm kind of going off on the abortion boat theory.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:08

That's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:09

That was yeah, that was the one that like I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:12

I mean that one just kind of stands out to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:14

Like Yeah, and I was thinking girl was just trying to be a homie, like I got you.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

And not a better way to like, I'm just gonna go to the beach today, you know? Yeah, yeah. An abortion boat. Well, that's so crazy. Man, you said that was the 60s?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:31

Yeah, 66.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

The 60s for a while.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:36

Yeah, dude. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

Yeah literally. Which theory were you a I mean, I'm attached into the abortion boat too. Like, I don't know why that girl would be like, I'm gonna be home to cook you dinner unless she was just being a homie to the girls and was like, I'm gonna help them out and I'll be home for dinner, honey. Exactly. Yeah, you were like your guts, because this is 60s housewife era of like, I'm not cleaning the fucking house, motherfucker. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:05

Like with her, like, you know, what do you call that? Her little her note to her husband about like she's a sealed letter. She had plans, you know?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:15

She totally had plans. Yeah, that you know, they was saying maybe they left their shit behind because they thought they were old. Well, one thing said like they thought they'd be gone for 20 minutes, and I'm like, that's oh, 20-minute abortion? Okay, but um, you know, but yeah, I mean, yeah, they left their shit behind because they thought they were just gonna go have an abortion and then show on the beach some more. Like, so yeah, it's it's um yeah, that's kind of the one that I go with too.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:41

Right. Can I just reiterate again that all of us are pro-choice?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:45

And absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:47

I mean, even more so the point to like push for that now, like think about how scary this was back in the day, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:54

Like, if this was the outcome of this disappearance or these disappearances, like all the more reason to I don't know, you can hate us if you will, but I mean if abortions become illegal again, like this is the kind like this sounds like a wild thing, like uh, you know, an abortion on a boat, but like you fucking make it illegal, and this is the kind of shit that women are women aren't there's we're still gonna do what we need to do. We were doing it in the 60s, like so make it illegal, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

We're gonna figure it out and making anything illegal doesn't stop people from doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

And any just makes it more sketchy.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:31

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