Murder Match-Up #1

We've got something new and exciting for you creeps!

Murder Mash-Up!
We are each randomly given a letter and number, then go to Murderpedia, from there we grab the case that corresponds with the letter and number.
Murderpedia is like Wikipedia but for murderers, it is indexed by the murderer's last name. It's like speed dating, but for murderers.

We each ended up with some seriously interesting cases.
Brittany tells us about Helene Jegado, a bitter woman in the 1800’s who worked as a domestic helper in a number of homes, always leaving a path of death behind her. 

Suzi talks about the dark places a mother’s love can take us, with the story of Carol Carr and her Huntington’s nightmare. 

Gavin discusses a 4th of July massacre, and what led Hesham Mohamed Hadayet to become unhinged and cause chaos and heartbreak. 

 Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard of cases.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

911, what is your emergency? I just found a body. I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Government officials hit the bit and I think the bit.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

You are listening to Nightcap, a true crime podcast. If the mystery of murder intrigues you, or if you find crime quite a curiosity.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Welcome home. Pour yourself a drink, sit back, and buckle up. It's gonna get dark.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

Be warned, this podcast does contain explicit content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion, it's definitely a fact.

SPEAKER_05 0:47

Oh, welcome back, you lovely listeners, and thank you for tuning in to our sixth episode. It's not like you don't already know us by now, but if you don't, I'm Susie. I'm Gavin. And I'm Brittany. What are you guys drinking tonight, Gavin?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Oh girl. I found some more Marionberry cider. You would. Oh yeah. This one is Incline Cider Company's Marionberry. It's a family-owned, crafted responsibly, and it's gluten-free. 6.5% alcohol volume. And they are based out of Auburn, Washington. We're waiting for our sponsor. Probably crafted from 100% fresh pressed apples, family-owned, gluten-free, and nothing artificial.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Nice. I love that. Brittany, what are you drinking, babe? Um, I am drinking brewdogs hazy, non-alcoholic. Did you want me to maybe read like the Surgeon General's warning or the recycle, the recycle information on this one? I love your information. What color's the can? It's a it's a beautiful teal uh gradient. It's from Ohio. And it's there's actually a lot of words on here, so I'm not gonna less than 0.5% alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

And all of that time that you were just gibber jabbing, you could have told us everything on that can.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

I know, but I was looking at it and I can't look at things and talk at the same time because it's very late. My Adderall is very worn off by. We are trying to get sponsors, Brittany.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

The Adderall will sponsor us. We have a sponsor, and I am super excited to tell you guys about it, but we're gonna get to that later. So excited.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

Well, Home Girl over here is drinking Firestone Walker 805. Oh it's properly chill, and it's born on California's Central Coast.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Does it say that on the can?

SPEAKER_05 2:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Properly chill.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

Properly chill, which I am not. So I will try to do them justice tonight.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Hold on a second while I fucking write that into my case somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

It's properly chill. Properly chill. Oh, it's so good. So, so good. Do you want me to keep going? Absolutely. All right, here we go. So, you guys, this this episode theme came right from my hazardous little brain of ideas. We wanted to come up with something new and fresh and exciting. And this popped into my eyeballs researching case like two weeks ago. And so here it is. Our topic this week is a little ditty called Murder Matchup. Whoop whoop. Yeah, cue the audience applause and the right. But this is where we go to murderpedia.org. And if you're a true crime podcaster or you're interested in true crime, you know this website already. And if you don't, check it the fuck out. We go to this website, we each randomly select a letter and a number, and we write our case according to the randomly selected murderer.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

And if you're not familiar with Murderpedia, it's basically Wikipedia for murderers. And they have all the cases indexed by the murderer's last name.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

It's like speed dating, but instead of dates, it's murderers. We selected our random murderers after last week's episode. And these are our cases you will be hearing tonight. All right now. Who wants to go first? Me, me, me, me, me. Oh. Giddy.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

Brittany Girl, what's up? I'm excited.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Alright. So uh what I liked about doing this is that I feel like I think I speak on behalf of all of us that we got cases that I don't think we would have typically like chosen to do. So that was totally. It was cool doing it that way.

SPEAKER_05 4:46

We were kind of angry at first. Yeah, bummed about my this is bullshit. Like this case is not interesting at all. But I read it into mine and it's really fucking interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

So same. So um my case is about uh the murderer's name is Helene Yagato, and uh she poisoned people, and I have a weird fascination with uh cases with poisoning, so this was kind of cool. So I told Well, I said I said Should we be concerned? I well, no, I know. I like said that last night when I was on a date. I was like, really, I'm really uh fascinated by poisoning cases, and he's like, did you tell him about the poisoned vagina? No, I didn't. I'm gonna keep that one um tucked away just in case things go wrong.

SPEAKER_08 5:38

What?

SPEAKER_00 5:42

And yeah, if you don't know what we're talking about, you should probably subscribe to Patreon because it's on an episode of Pillow Talk. All right.

SPEAKER_06 5:51

I was gonna take us back to endless blood.

SPEAKER_05 5:56

I was gonna take us back to Dating App Disasters. Like, Brittany, did you buy his drink before he showed up? Because that's a no-go.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Well, dating app disasters was the episode that I sent him when I was like, you should listen to my podcast. And I sent him that one. He's like, Okay. And he still wanted to take you on a date.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

I've got a whole tote of Jojo Homeboy just chilling on my kitchen table. And guess what? It's technically yours if the shoe fits.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Oh boy. All right. So Helene Yagato. So Helene was born in 1803 in Get This, Brittany, France. And it's spelt the right way.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Really?

SPEAKER_00 6:42

B-R-I-T-T-A-N-Y. Um yes. So after uh her mom died when she was seven, and after her mom died, she uh went with her two aunts and they worked as servants at the I had to look this up, uh, at the rectory of Bubbry. Bubri. The recalctor. The rectory. So yeah. So uh so rector is like a priest in the Episcopal Church, and the rectory is where the priest lives. And then Bubri or Bubri or some what I'm sorry, this is all in France, and I'm gonna butcher a lot of it. Um, it was a commune in Brittany, France, and a lot of the places that she goes and lives are just different communes that are in uh Brittany, France. Okay. So after she worked there for about 17 years, she went with one of her aunts to another commune uh where she worked as a cook for a cure, which is a parish priest. Wow, I can't, these are hard words to say. Um, an incident arose where she was accused of adding hemp to his soup. And I don't think like anything really came from it, but it was an accusation. And why is that a bad thing? Well, it was you know, 1820 something. CBD is good for you. Yes, he should have known that. He should have known. Uh so her first suspected poisoning was in 1833. Uh, she was working for another priest, Father Francois Ladrogo or something in a nearby village. Nice work. Thank you. Um, so between June 28th and October 3rd, seven members of that household died suddenly. It was um, it included the priest that she was working for, his um elderly mother and father, and then Helene's own sister Anne, who had been visiting at the time. Her like mourning and like her sadness, and you know, all that was so believable though that no one even suspected that she had anything to do with it. And it was also like shortly after the cholera epidemic. Cholera, I don't know if I said that either. Cholera, thank you. Oh god. Um, yeah, cholera epidemic. So the death, can we can I say that line again so I don't sound like a complete idiot? I thought it was cute. I thought it was cute too. Oh, okay. Well then I'll just keep going. Um I just feel like a lot of times I get like I sound like an airhead, and I swear I'm not. So yeah, so it was shortly after that. So the deaths were most likely just like put down as natural causes. After that, she went back to Boobri or Bubri, where she had worked as a child uh to replace her sister because her sister was still working there, and but then you know, she died. So Helene went to go replace her in her job. Three people died there over the next three months, including her other aunt. And she had been caring for all of them while they were ill, which is pretty fucked. Yeah, so after that, she moved on to another commune where she lived with a needleworker, Marie Jean Le Boucher. What is a needleworker?

SPEAKER_05 10:02

I think that's a seamstress.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Probably a seamstress. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I think that's a seamstress. Somebody that works with yarn. Cool me Google. Uh seamstress say, why don't you why don't you tap, tap, tap, and let us know. I assumed it was like a like a seamstress. Okay. A person who sews or embroiders with a needle. Boom. Okay. Perfect. The woman and her daughter soon died after Helene started working there. Oh. And her son fell ill, but he did not die. And they like think it might have just been that he maybe he didn't eat or take or whatever Helene was giving them. The seamstress's son? Uh, yeah. So the seamstress and her daughter died, but the son just got sick, didn't die.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

When she was in the same town, a widow offered Helene a room to stay in. And the widow died after eating a soup that Helene had prepared. Oh.

unknown 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Okay. In yeah. So in May of 1835, she was hired by Madame Toussaint, and four more people died. So at this point, she had killed about 17 people. Holy shit. Oh my god. And she was still able to just kind of go one family to the next, just leaving dead people behind you. We're pausing behind her. We're pausing. When was this again? 18 in the 1800s. Okay, damn it. Keep going. Later in, so that was in May. Later in 1835, she was hired as a servant, but she was let go soon after because of for vandalism and sacrilege. Sacrilege? And I didn't look what's sacrilege. I didn't look that up. Escume Google. There were so many words in this story that I'm like, okay, I need to like look them up. And I got some of them and then did not get the rest.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Sacrilege is a violation or misuse of what is regarded as sacred.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Hmm. Interesting. Dirty. So if you like shoved across up your butthole, that would be sacrilege. Okay, see, that's like literally the only thing that I thought of when you said that. We're getting more explicit this week. Shove a crucifix up your butthole. It's fine. So she went on to work as a cook in three other communes, each of which was only brief because, spoiler alert, people were getting sick and dying. I was gonna say that's her best job. She has a great resume. Yeah. So um most of the victims who died at this point were showing symptoms of arsenic poisoning. Um, and I was curious what that was. So I looked up, and symptoms of chronic arsenic exposure include recurring diarrhea, thickening of skin, discoloration of skin, small corns or warts on the palms, soles, and torso. Oh my God. Nausea, abnormal heart rhythm, numbness in hands and feet, partial paralysis, blindness, drowsiness, and seizures. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

That's how my worst panic attack.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Well, and I think that that's why I don't, I think that's why poisonings are like so interesting because they're all old and it's like such a brutal way. Like these people, like you, it's just crazy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

No, it's not like you just up and die. It's like this is a slow, weird death, and now I feel like you're gonna bundle me and up, I'm dead.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Yeah. So um, so she was never caught with any arsenic in her possession at all. And then from 1841 and 184 uh to 1849, there were no records of deaths that like laid in her path. Uh, but there were reports of thefts from her different employers. So apparently she was a little bit of a klepto as well.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Great.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

So we love a woman of all trades. You know, she's got a lot going on. Uh, in 1849, she moved to the capital of Brittany, and a year later, she joined the household staff of Theophile Bedard. That's what we're going for. Um, a law professor at the University of Rennes. That's a lot of words I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

Just add your French accents onto the your French dialects.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

I know, and then it'll sound we we. Okay. Um we're doing our best here at Nightcap. Bear with us here. So one of his servants, Rose, fell ill and died pretty soon after she had moved in. And then in 1851, one of the other maids, Rosalie, got sick and died. And the two doctors that were trying to help Rosalie noticed that her symptoms were really similar to Rose's, who had just died like a year before. And so they were able to convince the relatives of the women to let them perform an autopsy. So they performed the autopsy. And I'm they didn't say in there, I'm assuming they saw the same like arsenic poisoning. But you're gatto, like there was suspicion about her because she announced her innocence before she was even asked about it. Oh, great. So, like, before anyone even said anything, like, well, I didn't, I didn't poison them. Like, okay, like you definitely did though. So she was arrested on July 1st, 1851. Over time, and as like kind of those looked into a little bit more, she was thought to be linked to 23 other uh suspected deaths by poisoning between 1833 and 1841, but none of those were properly investigated because it was already past um like the 10 a 10 years or something. It can't they can't look into it after that. So it's estimated that she murdered 36 people, but it could definitely be many more. That's her trial. That is, and like it's very uh like she just like left like dead people in her path, and no one was like, This bitch, I don't think she's doing you know, like yeah, so her trial began on December 6th, 1851, but she was accused only of three murders, three attempted murders, and 11 thefts again, due to like French laws with how many years had been in between.

SPEAKER_05 16:16

Like, how you only say or how you say only this amount. Like, that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

I know, but a lot of thefts and deaths. She's she's estimated to have murdered 36, but only got accused of three of them, like in court. Damn. So I got this quote from Wikipedia. Her behavior in court was erratic, changing from humble mutterings to loud, pious shouting, Escumy Google. I'm assuming that just means like chaotic.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Having or showing a dutiful spirit or a reverence for God or an earnest wish to fulfill religious obligations characterized by a hypocritical concern with virtue or religious devotion.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

It's a lot more intense than I thought it meant.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

Oh, way deeper.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yeah, so her behavior from humble mutterings to loud, pious shouting, and occasional violent outbursts against her accusers. She consistently denied she even knew what arsenic was, despite evidence to the contrary. Doctors who had examined her victims had not usually noticed anything suspicious, but when the most recent victims were exhumed, they showed overwhelming evidence of arsenic. So the defense, her defense lawyer, made a closing speech saying that Helene needed more time than most to repent, and she should be spared the death penalty since she was dying of cancer anyway. Oh, good. Oh, so they just threw that one in there. Yeah. Even though all of that, she was sentenced to death by guillotine and was executed in front of a large crowd of onlookers on February 26th, 1852. Oh, bitch got her head cut off. Yeah. So Wikipedia says although there is not much information stating why she committed these crimes, it can generally be linked to psychological issues. The psychopathology model explains that her offenses, yeah. So basically it's linked to her psychological problems. It is possible that these problems erupted at a young age after her mother died. It is not uncommon for a child to develop abandoned child syndrome due to the parents' passing. Yagato once stated that murdering people gave her a sense of power, which she enjoyed. Oh, great. So that's Helene Yagato, who sounds her story is very similar to Typhoid Mary. If anyone knows about Typhoid Mary, it's a very similar type of situation. So I thought that was not cool, but you know what I mean. It was something different than what I would, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That was fun. Good idea, Susie.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Oh, thanks. Super interesting. I'm all about it.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

You mean never mind.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

No, you were gonna lay it on us and you didn't.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

I'm gonna save it.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

For when?

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Later.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

I need to choose now or later, and I'm choosing later.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

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SPEAKER_02 21:10

Thanks. I've already got mine. Go get yours. Susie's going next. Better up. Who is your murder matchup?

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Well, I got mashed up with Carol Carr. And I named this one Carol Carr and her Huntington nightmare. Oh, were we supposed to give him a name? I don't know. I did. I got a lot of freedom. Next time. Next time. I got a lot of freedom. I mean, Gavin comes in clutch with all of his names, so I'm like, I gotta do it. Yeah, that is true. And I couldn't pick anything else because it was going to give it away. So now we're going to talk about Carol Carr and her Huntington nightmare. And for those who don't know, Huntington's disease, according to Mayoclinic.org, is a rare inherited disease that causes degeneration and breakdown of nerve cells in the brain. This disease, you Usually results in movement, cognitive, and psychiatric disorders. Symptoms of Huntington's disease are, in the movement disorders category, involuntary jerking movements, muscle problems, slow or abnormal eye movements, impaired posture or balance, difficulty with speech or swallowing. And in cognitive disorders, the symptoms are difficulty prioritizing, organizing, or focusing on tasks, tendency to get stuck on behavior, action, or thought, lack of impulse control that results in outbursts such as acting without thinking or sexual promiscuity. Lack of awareness of one's own behaviors and delayed processes of thought, and difficulty learning new information. And in the psychiatric disorders category, it causes feelings of irritability, sadness or apathy, social withdrawal, insomnia, fatigue, frequent thoughts of death or suicide, obsessive compulsive disorder, mania, or bipolar disorder. So after Huntington's disease starts, the person's functional abilities worsen over time. It usually affects people in their prime working years, like 30 to 40 years old, and it dramatically reduces quality of life and currently has no cure. So eventually, a person with Huntington's disease requires help with all activities of daily living and care. Late in the disease, he or she will likely be confined to a bed and unable to speak. Someone with Huntington's disease is generally able to understand language and has an awareness of family and friends, though some won't recognize family members at all. So that's our little mayoclinic.org background on Huntington's disease for those who don't know. Yeah, that doesn't sound like fun at all. No, it's really fucking sad.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

That's fucking terrible. Sorry, I was gonna say it runs in my best friend's family, and it's a really, really awful disease to watch someone go through. It's terrible. Yeah, and it's hereditary. It's a hereditary disease. Super hereditary, from what I've gathered from this case. Yeah, it's really sad. Gather the Likey.

SPEAKER_05 24:06

So now we get into Carol Carr and the Scott family. So Huntington disease first made its appearance in Carol's husband's mother, who had passed it to a daughter, who eventually died from it, and her two sons, one who committed suicide when he learned that he had it, and Hoyt Scott, which was Carol's husband. By the time Carol's husband learned he inherited the disease, he was already in his 30s, and he and Carol had already had three sons. So it was too late to catch it being inherited. Um, Hoyt was eventually left unable to move, talk, swallow, or think, and Carol became his main main caregiver until he died in 1995. But by the time Carol's husband passed away, their two oldest sons were also diagnosed with the disease, which is super fucking sad. This whole case is kind of sad, so I apologize ahead of time. Um, their youngest son was soon diagnosed with a disease as well, but was not as far progressed as his older brothers. Carol Carr spent 20 plus years watching her husband and son suffer from this unforgiving disease, and it took its toll on her incredibly. So then we get into the nitty-gritty. On June 8th, 2002, Carol killed her two oldest sons. Oh wow. They were named Andy and Michael Scott, and they were killed in a room that they shared at a Georgia nursing home. The cause of death for both was one 25 caliber gunshot wound to the head.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Holy crap. Oh my god. Yes. That's awful.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

So after the shootings, Carol, who was then 63 years old, walked calmly to the lobby of the nursing home and awaited police arrival.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Damn.

unknown 25:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

She was arrested on scene, and when asked why she did what she did, she simply said that she did not want them to suffer anymore. So this is a mama killing her own babies. I mean, yeah. I immediately had empathy for her that at that point.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

It's a whole different meaning to I brought you into this world that I can take out.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

But yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

I mean Your mom didn't say that to you, Brittany.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Say my mom tells me that like every six days.

SPEAKER_08 26:22

Six days.

SPEAKER_05 26:25

Oh, it's horrible, horrible. It's so sad. It it's fucking, it's fucking sad. But James Scott, which is Carol's youngest son, said that his mother acted out of love and not malice, and he stands behind her decision. He said, I sat there and watched them with bed sores. It's a miserable way to live. They couldn't talk, they couldn't communicate with each other, they would mumble. My father died from it, a long, agonizing death, years and years of just sitting in the bed dying, and they were doing it too, which is fucking sad. He also had said that we, you know, the sons, all went to the probate court back in 1995 when their father had died, and we all signed living wills saying if we got in my daddy's shape, then we didn't want to live anymore. So this is three sons that watched their father die this way. And after their father died, they were like, if that happens to us, we don't want to do it. Because they all watched him do it, you know. And the or we're talking like these sons aren't like baby boys. These are like 30, 40-year-old men that are like diagnosed with this and they're suffering with it.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

And like and in that state, they can't do anything about it themselves.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

Right. Because you're you're basically a vegetable at this point, which is super fucking sad. And the son that's saying all these things too, he is diagnosed with Huntington's as well. So all three of their children got diagnosed with it. But the two older sons were obviously progressing further than he was when this had happened. So he's like speaking up for his mother. Like, I watched, you know, three of my family members basically suffer through this. And so the lead detective for the case told Lee Williams with the Griffin Daily News that he classified these murders as mercy killings. They weren't murders, they were mercy killings.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

Yeah. And that's fair.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

James Scott, the youngest son, agreed. He said in response, my mother Carol gave it her all, taking care of them while they were in a nursing home. She would go there as much as she could. She would change their beds and give them drinks. And after it all, Carr actually ended up pleading guilty to two counts of assisted suicide.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

And was sentenced to five years in prison. So she first went under the under the knife, or like after she was arrested, like, this is homicide. That's a double homicide. You just capp two people in the fucking head. That's obviously a homicide, you know? And she entered a plea deal, and it was the plea deal that she entered to drop the charges of murder against her. And it was one of the first such convictions in Georgia. Because apparently Georgia had something against euthanasia and assisted suicide at the time.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Most states did at that point.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

Right, right. And so defense attorney Lee Sexton had said that Carol Carr could not bring herself to walk into that courtroom and say, I murdered my children. All she did was keep a promise to them to end their suffering. Sexton, the defense attorney, was overjoyed that they had reached that plea agreement. After 21 months, though, she was released on parole in 2004. So she only spent 21 months in prison. But that wasn't without the parole board mandating that if her youngest son, James Scott, became ill with Huntington's, she would be prohibited from serving as his primary caregiver. Okay, that's fair. By the law, by the eyes of the law. But me and like, as the baby, I'd be like, I kind of want my mama to pop me too. So, like, if I'm gonna, you know, like if I'm gonna go out and I want my mama to do it. She promised me she would do it. I wouldn't want her to do it. But it's understandable.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

To be a fly on the wall in that courtroom. Fuck. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

No, crazy. Um, they also stipulated that Carol must receive mental health counseling throughout her parole, which is understandable because you know it's everyone should.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

And she needs it for a multitude of reasons.

SPEAKER_05 30:07

Right, right. Not just like she obviously wasn't a psychopath that was just killing people for no fucking reason.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

And then ended up killing them.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

After her husband and her husband's late mother and sister and brother. That's some shit. That's a lot. That's this is a lot of Huntington's death in this family. Um, so upon being released on parole, Mike Late, a parole board member, said in a statement that quote unquote, Carol Carr has punished herself more than the prison system will ever be able to punish her. Oh by having to kill your own babies? Yeah. Come on. Or pushing them. Come on. I mean, I'm a mom. I'm like, I'm sitting there and I'm like, I fuck. Like, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

I'm just a dog dad, and that that hurts.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

It's a lot. So this poor woman from the state of Georgia went under the spotlight for a widely publicized debate over euthanasia. Many people sided with her decision, but as well as others claiming it was inhumane and just playing wrong. So this was a very like a dual-sided argument with this one.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

For the record, if I was ever in that situation, please.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

Put a 25 caliber bullet in my head.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Put me out of my goddamn misery.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

And like And we'll talk about it on the future.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

I was oh yeah. I was saying to Gavin and Brittany before we started that I was like, this is the first case, you know, that like I have agreed with the murderer. Like, is she even a murderer at this point? You know, like those were living wills that those guys put into place of saying, like, if we get to be like the in in quote unquote, like the youngest son was like, if we get to the state that my daddy was in, daddy, that my daddy was in, we don't want to live anymore. And we're talking 40-year-old men. Like, this isn't like something that happens to your six-year-old, and you're like, I'm gonna cap my six-year-old in the head because they have can't. No, that's not like that. That's this isn't like that. This is like watching your sons live their entire life, get to their prime of when they're supposed to be the strongest, and then watching them literally disintegrate before your fucking eyes. And then, you know, she came to grips with it and she popped them both in the head and then walked away from it calmly, and she took her fucking punishment and she got on out on parole. And I'm quite frankly, I'm happy that she got the treatment that she got. I mean, I don't think that she should have even gone to prison at all, in my mind, because if a living will states, like she should have had hospitals to back her up or like the nursing home. Like, can we just like load these guys up and like take them out so that it's like a humane death? I mean, we do that to our dogs.

unknown 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:32

I I mean, I hate to compare the two, but dogs are like family to me. And like animals are like family. If you're gonna put a dog out of its misery, like, why can I not put my son out? If he's literally rotting in a bed, can't talk, can't walk, and getting bed sores and suffering. Why is that not the same?

SPEAKER_02 32:48

It's true. No, we'd we'd rather I mean it comes down to the selfishness of people because it's no longer about the suffering individual, it's about the other people who care about the suffering individual and how that affects them.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

Or right, or even the money. Like these these sons were in uh, you know, a nursing home. So that's money for them. So I mean it you could go as selfish as to be like, yeah, we could keep them alive and like keep racking that insurance money up or whatever, but that's not for the greater good of the victim. So it's kind of one of those one of those things. But I think without the fact, I mean, it's one thing if somebody gets like hit in a car accident and then they're a vegetable. I mean, you don't know what they would have wanted because of course nobody plans for that type of thing. But these these guys planned for that. They wrote in their living wills that we do not want to live.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

At that point, I don't think there's any fucking argument. I think it's to put them down, and I think the mother did the right thing in this call.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

But since this is a hot take and hot topic, if anybody would like to write us an email letting us know how you feel about this case, we would absolutely love to hear your perspective. So head on over to nightcaptruecrime.com and hit that annoy us button.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

Yeah, please. This is very up for stipulation.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

It is up for debate.

SPEAKER_05 34:06

Because I'm curious. I mean, I started this out and I was like, girls around sons, what a bitch. Then I read into it and I was like, I would have done the same. I don't know. That's hard. That's a hard one.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

That is a hard one.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

I want to hear it. Makes sense. Yeah. I don't think later justified.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

I I hate all the murderers that come across this.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

I mean, and there there may be like more to the story that we don't know because we obviously we, you know, we don't get in on all of the details. And there there may be something else, but I mean, from the gist of it, and I have for totally justifiable. Not in that much detail. I don't hate her. Yeah. Do I think it's wrong to take another human life? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Should she have maybe fought for an alternative? Sure.

SPEAKER_05 34:50

But I almost wanted to look in if that she was fighting for it or if she had even tried to push with Georgia State against their euthanasia and their assisted suicide law to see if she had like fought against it before she took a gun to their head, because if she just went willy-nilly without trying and just you know took matters into her own hands, then like I guess that's one thing. But at the same time, like mother knows best. And I like purely stand by that as mother, like, as long as you're not being a crazy psychotic psychopath. I don't think she was acting out in a team. I don't fault her in a way.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

No, I've I was in that if and I was if I was in that position, the the boys situation, I would I would be begging my mother to and I would want my mother to do it.

SPEAKER_05 35:31

Yeah, I would want her to take me out. You gave me life, fucking take it away. And I wouldn't blame her for a second. I mean, it wasn't her fault they didn't know. The husband didn't get diagnosed until he was 30 years old. And by the time that he was 30, I mean, this this disease onsets later in life. So there's no way of knowing if you're gonna pass it on to your children. There's no way of per like preventing it unless you really know the background. There was nothing that they could have done, and they tried to cover all their fucking bases. It was quite fucking interesting.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Damn.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

Yeah, super fucking interesting.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Shit, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_05 36:00

Yeah, yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

I am pleasantly surprised with our murder matchup so far.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

It's been fucking weird. It's been weird, but it's been interesting.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

All right, guys, are you ready for my case? Yes. My case was H5. Hasham Mohammed Hadiat. I think I named this Disaster on Independence Day because that was as clever as I could get. I love it. So Hasham, the son of a retired Egyptian Air Force general, was born in Cairo, Egypt on July 4th, 1961. He was born into a comfortable upper class Egyptian family, low-key. Lucky fuck. Right?

SPEAKER_05 36:52

I have always wanted to go to Egypt. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Me too. I want to see the mummies.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

I want to see the pyramids.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

That too.

SPEAKER_05 37:01

Anyway. I want to see Brandon Fraser and his prime.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Fuck yes. I heard they have a lot of those there. Really? There's a lot of Brendan Frasers in Egypt.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

A lot of prime Frasers, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can rent one for a day. Big fan.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

All we have to do is summon a mummy and he will come.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Yeah. No harm ever came from reading a book. Excuse me, Rob, read my whole library.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Okay, back on subject. So he was born into a comfortable upper class Egyptian family. Prior to emigrating to the United States in 1992, Hisham was a successful accountant at a bank and had studied commerce at Ain Shams University in Cairo. Cairo. God damn it, I even wrote how do you should say it in their Kairo. Kairo. Google? Google? Are you the Google? He came to the U.S. with much excitement to take a chance at the American Dream on a tourist visa. Six months later, Hisham's visa expired. He attempted to seek asylum under the claim that he would face persecution in Egypt for being inaccurately accused of being a radical Islamist by the Egyptian government.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Uh-oh. That's a little sketchy.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Hisham told the Department of Justice and the Office of Inspector General of the Immigration and Naturalization Service that Egyptian authorities falsely accused and arrested him for being a member of an extremist Islamic. Well, say that ten times fast. An extremist Islamic group. There's also lots of big words in my case. Sorry, guys. This group had claimed responsibility for acts of violence in Egypt at the time and was on the US Department of State's foreign terrorist organizations list. You don't want to be on lists, my friends. Like me.

SPEAKER_05 39:01

Not even my daily to-do list. I hate myself.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

Hisham denied the accusations, stating he was a member of Assad Aben Farrat Mosque Association. A group that aimed to understand truly and apply Islamic law in the 20th century under any circumstances. I didn't dive too I didn't dive any deeper in that, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 39:23

Yeah, I was gonna say that's a little abyss extreme.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

It does seem a little extreme, and we'll get there. His request for asylum was denied. However, Hasham eventually obtained a green card through the Diversity Visa Lottery, which allowed him to work as a limousine driver and apply for U.S. citizenship after five years. By 2002, Hisham and his wife were living in Irvine, California with their two sons, Omar and Adam. Hisham was quite an entrepreneur, and the make it or break it work ethic drove him to driving cabs for a living, which later influenced his decision to open his own limousine company in 1997, out of his apartment. Following the 9-11 attacks, business had declined substantially, and Hisham was in a state of distress over the loss of income. Hisham and his family lived a rather white picket existence and were rather known as soft and gentle to their neighbors. Now we're gonna get to the day. It was a hot summer day, no different than any other sunny day in LA, for the exception that it was the 4th of July. Inside the Tom Bradley International Terminal at the Los Angeles Airport, ten people wait in line at the L Al ticket counter. For those of you who don't know what L Al is, it is also known as Israer, an Israeli airline. Hisham, dressed in a dark suit, standing fourth in line at the ticket counter, armed with two 45 caliber handguns, extra magazines, ammunition, and a six-inch knife, opened fire on the ticket counter.

SPEAKER_07 40:52

Holy fuck.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

25-year-old customer service agent Victoria Hen was struck in the chest from behind the service counter. Unfortunately, she succumbed to the fatal blow. Not long after firing the first rounds, Hisham turned to the other passengers in the terminal as they huddled for safety. A 46-year-old bystander, Yakov Amanov, a local diamond importer who had came to the airport just to drop off a few friends, was shot and also later died in the hospital from his injuries. Five other people lay wounded and terrified, having absolutely no idea what was going on. All in all, Hisham fired 10 to 11 shots into the unsuspecting crowd. An L Al security guard jumped into quick action. Unarmed, was able to knock Hisham to the ground. Simultaneously, L Al security officer Chaim Sapir ran to the scene and was stabbed by Hisham. Oh my gosh. Sapir, without a second to spare, shot Hisham in the chest, killing him. The entire ordeal was over in a matter of minutes. However, it would take officials a whole nine months to gather enough information to release a full report on the attack.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Holy sh shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

So when I was going through all of this stuff, because the original things that I found didn't have a whole lot of information, when I finally found the Mac Daddy, shit really got interesting. Initially, officials said that the shooting could have been a random act of violence or a hate crime, and that they had not yet ruled out a number of potential motives such as terrorism.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

But wait, this was at a like the airline that he was at.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

We'll get there. Hisham was not on any watch lists at this time. The attack occurred at a time when, as Jane Meyer, an American investigative journalist puts it, that the only certainty shared by virtually the entire American intelligence community was that a second wave of even more devastating terrorist attacks on America was imminent. So, like, the climate for this is already there. Okay? Keep that in mind. The fact of the matter is, Hisham had to pass numerous ticket counters in order to get to L L. So why this one? The attack scarcely fit the frame, and it was initially labeled a hate crime rather than terrorism. To make things even more confusing, there was no network to trace, no manifesto to discover, and no understandable method to this madness. Hisham overall seemed well adjusted and did not appear to be terribly ideological or religious. He had been having some difficulties in his business and may have been emotionally depressed, but why go to this extreme? Federal law enforcement and city officials quickly stated it appeared as though the shooting was an isolated incident, and that nothing within suggests otherwise. Even the Bush administration stated that it was nothing but a criminal act.

SPEAKER_05 43:59

Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Israeli officials, however, saw things a little differently. Here's a quote from Ephraim Sne, the Israeli Transportation Minister. And forgive me for murdering these names. I tried to look up pronunciations and I could not find anything. There is no clean-cut evidence that this gunman is related to a terror organization. It is the most logical assumption when someone opens fire on LL counter in an international airport. Most likely this is a terror attack. California governor Gray Davis made a public statement that day that he was saddened and outraged by the shooting and urged California residents not to hinder their Independence Day celebrations. A former employee of Ashams recalled previous conversations with Hadiet, which is his last name, mentioning that he watched Al Jazeera Network at home and saying he blamed Israel for what was going on in the Middle East. He had nothing against Americans. He's not hateful for the American people on the street. He loved this country. He loved freedom and freedom of speech. He told me, I'd like to be a U.S. citizen. I'd like to pay my taxes, and I want to raise my children here. Wow. The attack occurred on his 41st birthday, while his wife and two young sons were on vacation in his native country of Egypt. Like I mentioned earlier, he was enduring a time of serious financial difficulty with the recession and post-9-11 travel slowdown. He made a comment to then employee that it cost him eighteen hundred dollars a month just to keep his limousine running and on the streets.

SPEAKER_05 45:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

The combination of having his family out of the country on his birthday and struggling financially took an obvious toll on his morale. He did call his father and wife early on his birthday to speak to them, and seemed to be in pretty good spirits. His wife said that his voice sounded very beautiful, leaving no indication of worry on their part. The 9-11 attacks heavily impacted his attitude toward the people around him, leaving him more reserved than before and aware of what he perceived as other disdain for Muslims. Perhaps contributing to this feeling was an interaction he had with a neighborhood family. He offered a Jewish neighbor's daughter a really good deal on a limousine ride to her prom, but the father refused, saying he was uncomfortable doing business with Hisham because he was a Jew and Hisham was a devout Muslim.

SPEAKER_08 46:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

I know. It's fucked. Hisham's wife, Hala Muhammad Sadek El Awadi, said that she did not believe that her husband was responsible for the shooting and that he was being blamed because he was Arab and Muslim. A victim of injustice, she said. In America, they hate Islam and Arabs after September 11th. And she's not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Was the wife trying to say, like, literally, like that wasn't him that did it, or like it wasn't his fault's fault kind of thing?

SPEAKER_02 46:54

From what I gathered, it it did seem like she was trying to lead on that it wasn't him.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

I know, which is which is just difficult to bitch. Born on the 4th of July, murdered people on the 4th of July, and died on the 4th of July. It's pretty strange. If you ask me. When I got to that part in there, I was like, uh. Which makes me really want to know what the connection to that is, if it if it's not like not just his birthday, or if it's not just the Independence Day of the United States. Yeah, like what was the reason for doing it on that day? Because we'll we'll get into like a little more like motive, but like to me, like that kind of like tying in all the other parts of the equation.

SPEAKER_05 47:44

I mean that has like multiple relevances.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

It really does. Like it kind of just double layered and weird. I know. So months later, the FBI and the Department of Justice decided, however, that the attack did indeed fit the definition of terrorism, particularly given the fact uh that again, he had to pass several foreign ticket counters just to get to L Al. Like he could have hit up any of them in between there, but no, he went straight to LL.

SPEAKER_05 48:15

That's what I said. I'm like, why that one?

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Yep. Which shows a desire to explicitly kill Israeli nationals or even just random ass people who are traveling to visit the Jewish state, which L Al deals with exclusively.

SPEAKER_05 48:28

So who was this a terrorist attack against?

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Israel.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

By an like by who?

SPEAKER_02 48:35

By him. So let's hold on. I'm so confused. It's okay. I w it was very confusing for me too. The FBI was very careful, very, very careful in how they responded publicly to the incident, even though Israeli government representatives very so much publicly disagreed with the FBI over its failure to classify the attack as a terror attack. Because if you look at this from their perspective, this was clearly an attack on Israel. It wasn't so much an attack on the United States. He targeted that specific terminal, not because it had anything to do with the United States, because it had to do with Israel. That terminal, that airline, specifically deals with flights, international flights, between here and Israel.

SPEAKER_05 49:23

Okay, you can cut this out because I'm stupid, but was he not of Israeli descent and Muslim descent?

SPEAKER_02 49:29

He's Egyptian.

SPEAKER_05 49:30

Oh. See, that's why I'm confused because this is the.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

But so Muslim is a religion that spreads across many countries. Right. But he's an Egyptian. There's some something is he's mad about something and we we still don't know. So the two nations fought over differing definitions of what constitutes a terrorist attack. US officials were trying to gloss over what they called a terror attack, most likely because they didn't want to downplay any panic less than a year after a 9-11. Surprise, surprise. Yeah. The FBI defines a terrorist attack as one that is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct, which makes it pretty difficult to put a label on the shooting. Happen it was influenced by hatred for Jewish people. But but the FBI and Justice Department eventually came to the conclusion that the shooting at LAX was in fact a terror attack based on the face that this attack was premeditated and focused on the L L terminal. It was noted Hisham was not heavily involved in the Muslim community. During the funeral from one of the victims, Israeli American Yaqav Amanov, a rabbi, criticized the Muslim community for not being outspoken enough against terror attacks. It should be noted, however, that multiple LA-based Arab and Muslim groups had already stated their sorrow over this particular attack and disavowed violence in general. If Hasham was radicalized, this appears to have been an individual change rather than one impacted by mosque attendance or by membership to any community group. Even though Hasham's motive is still unknown, he clearly set out to kill that day. No matter what, who or why, innocent people lost their lives to senseless violence. And it's unbelievably tragic.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Oh, that's fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

One last note, and this quote is from Sabia Khan, a spokeswoman for the Council on American Arab Antidiscrimination Committee. She said, no one should ever have to die like that. We hope that people can make the distinction between one crazy person and a whole community of six or seven million people in the United States.

SPEAKER_05 51:58

Fucking A. That's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

That one hit me hard. The actions of one are not a representation of all. One last last mention. I got the majority of my information from a political science PDF written by Zachary Zayar. I quoted much of this case from this document because it was literally just too fucking amazing. So major credit to Zachary. So Zachary ends his dissertation with a lesson we can take away from this case is that terrorism can manifest itself in many ways, irrespective of the body count.

SPEAKER_05 52:34

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

For real. And that's my case. It was properly not chill.

SPEAKER_05 52:41

Like my beer.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Like beer. I hope your beer was a little more chilly. Like fuck. I know.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

I mean, we went into this thinking it was gonna be all fun and games, but we all got mashed up with cases that were not what we expected.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yeah. But I liked about it.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

I'm down. It's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Yeah, I would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever picked this case. Yeah, mine with period. Mine too, with my case. We learned some things from these cases. And it like kind of swings back to my case, like judging things, you know, right as you you you see them.

SPEAKER_06 53:23

Like don't judge a book by its cover.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

Yeah, like I honestly, I when I first read over it, I was just kind of like, well, that's fucking lame. But then when I was able to find that PDF document, and I was like, holy crap. Like, okay, yeah, there's a lot more to this than what meets the eye. Because all of the articles I found were pretty fucking basic and boring, and they were all just duplicates of each other until I found that PDF document. And then I was like, okay, here's information. And I was like, now it's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 53:54

Oh, totally. I read my case and I was like, oh, mom shoots her two kids. I'm like, can't relate, would never kill my kid. But after like researching it and going through it, I was like, I can't blame her. And I never thought that I would side with a murderer on this one. And I might be wrong. You guys might disagree with me, but like I want to hear it because it's up to speculation.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

And like all three of us have had this problem researching cases in the past where like we we look up something, we start Googling, get it, you know, get in our investigative mindset, and we we find different articles that say different things about the same case, and it's frustrating. You want to know like what is the truth? Like, where does the truth lie? Because we're getting you're getting this information from this place, you're getting this information from this place. Where does the truth lie? And then you have to, as I mean, essentially, we are journalists, and so we have to make sure that we're using appropriate sources. We also have to try to remain as um biased as possible. We're opinionative as fuck. Which the three of us are not good at. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_05 55:02

We have our opinions, I mean hard opinions. That's the downside with the media, though. I mean, you're gonna catch one side that's like I could have looked up my case, and one source would have been like, oh, you know, murder mother killed her children out of cold blood for no fucking reason. And then other spots would have been like, hey, you know, like that was a mercy killing, and like I feel for her. And it just goes to show like how biased media is and to not really trust it and to like dig into all your sources because you never know what's gonna happen and you never know what you're gonna side with. And like, don't fucking count all your eggs in one basket.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Exactly. So I was just going to point out that I was literally one link away from all of the information that I needed to finalize this because I finished it and I was like, oh god, this I don't have enough here. Like it's it's cut and dry, it's to the point, like this is what happened. There wasn't any like any background, like where he came from, you know, how he was raised, all that stuff. And it was like, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Right. And I was like literally done. And I clicked on that one link and it was like, Yeah, I was right here.

SPEAKER_05 56:13

This is a like a 14-page PDF file account.

SPEAKER_07 56:16

It's like, what the fuck? Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

As I'm reading it, I got more and more excited over something that I innately would have just been like, meh, this is you know, this sucks.

SPEAKER_05 56:28

Yeah, I mean, when I thought of the idea of murder matchup, I like I thought it was gonna be something that was just like super spicy and interesting and great. And like we all got these cases that were like, meh, and then we jump into them and then we're like, no, you guys, this is really fucking interesting. This is super fucking interesting. And like, I so hope that you guys like think the same because we want to do this like monthly because it was so fun, like it was so awkward and like unruly. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna lie and say that we didn't settle for our first cases because we didn't. We were like, let's roll again because that was bullshit, and then we rolled again and we're like, okay, still bullshit. But we dove in and we did the damn thing, and I fucking hope that you guys liked it as much as we did because it was so fucking interesting. Yeah, and I'm so fucking glad that we did it.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

And it took us all out of our comfort zones for sure.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

Totally, yep, totally, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 57:16

I don't I don't know about Brittany. Brittany's kiss was pretty fucking cool.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

Yeah, she got the coolest one of the bunch. I'm telling you, poisonings are so like fascinating in a weird way.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

Yeah, and if you're dating Britney, uh don't drink the drink, she pre-ordered for you. And uh, she definitely knows what arsenic is.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Wait, literally, when she's her kiss up poisoning, I was like, fucking of course, like she gets something that's really fucking cool. Awesome. Yeah, I'm like mercy killing, that's boring.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

No, yours was actually pretty it was no, it was. They were all informative, like you know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

I hope people see we all agree. My case totally put in perspective my my own xenophobia, and I had to come to my own conclusions, and then I was given a document that like had a whole other take on it.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

And that shit was a tornado. I was like, no, okay, terrorists, yeah. I'm thinking like somebody attacking the US. And I'm like, I never would have expected that to remote. Because it was it didn't end up being that at all. And the fact that it was classified as that, and then like you read it as that from the first little go-round, and then you dug into it, and it was not that. Like, I'm like, dude, fuck yeah. Like, I was not expecting it. Like, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

Yeah, it's just crazy, crazy to me to think that it wasn't, it had nothing to do with the United States at all. Like, he went not even a little bit. He went straight to that counter to attack a very specific set of people. Super weird. Yeah, and I wouldn't have learned that happen. I didn't click on that link. Fucking murder magic. So murder fucking magic man. We're gonna do this again to keep it fresh for you guys. And no lie, folks, I literally wrote that case up until about five minutes before we started recording. Because um, I am the king of procrastination. I will procrastinate procrastination.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

I'm bad. It wasn't just me. I felt bad. I was like, shit, I do not need that. I didn't you're not alone.

SPEAKER_05 59:20

I did my whole case today. So if you guys are still listening and choose to listen next week, we're the real ones. Fucking decision to listen next week. I'm a mother of a two-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Gab has got his shit going on. Speaking of next week, let's get to the other part of the bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 59:38

All right. Well, guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us. We hope you enjoyed our first episode of Murder Matchup.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

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SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

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SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

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SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Reasons.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:34

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SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

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SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

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SPEAKER_06 1:01:25

Alright, you guys, we need to tap out now because we're not doing the damn thing. But we will see you next week. Bye, bitches.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:36

Oh my god. We had to end it on the fucking last note there. You can't just give me a two-week line. Or two-week line. A two-centas line. I can't do it anymore. I don't want to do this anymore, Grandpa. That's too damn bad. There's eggplate on my chair. Eggplate. They really can't do it. Egg roll?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

Fucking love us. Oh my god, it's almost two in the morning. Here we go again.