Murder Match-Up #2

It's time for your monthly dose of Murder Match-Up!

What is Murder Match-Up, you ask? We are each randomly given a letter and number, then go to Murderpedia.org, and we grab the case that corresponds with the letter and number.
Murderpedia is like Wikipedia but for murderers, it is indexed by the murderer's last name. It's like speed dating, but for murderers.

This week, Brittany tells us about Jennifer San Marco, and the Goleta Postal Center massacre. 
Gavin talks about Christopher George Theodore Lamar, who committed a senseless murder, and then partied with friends after. 
Suzi's case is reminiscent of her first killer on Nitecap: Gary Alan Walker, also known as The Roaming Rapist, who spent three weeks in 1984 terrorizing the nation, and leaving five dead bodies behind.
 
Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard-of cases.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

911, what is your emergency? I just found a body. I don't know what to do.

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Government officials and if the bit an isolated antimate.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

You are listening to Nightcap, a true crime podcast.

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If the mystery of murder intrigues you, or if you find crime quite a curiosity. Welcome home.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Pour yourself a drink, sit back and buckle up. It's gonna get dark.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Be warned, this podcast does contain explicit content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion is definitely advised.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

And we are back with another episode of Murder Matchup. We've got a few random ass cases for you guys this week, but first things first, I'm Brittany. I'm Gavin. And I'm Susie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

If you don't know what murder matchup is, let me explain. A random letter and number generator gives us each a letter and number. We then go to murderpedia.org, which is kind of like Wikipedia, but for murderers. Each case on Murderpedia is categorized by last name and country. We go to the corresponding letters that start at the top, count down to the number that we are given, and boom.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

But before we get into our cases, what are we all drinking? I'm actually drinking Shaktap, which is a Belgian white. I was drinking Blue Moon last week, but I'm drinking Belgian white this week, and I think it's slightly better. What are you sipping on, Britt?

SPEAKER_04 1:39

I have my surreal, brewing, non-alcoholic, hazy IPA, and it's delicious. What about you, Gabby?

SPEAKER_02 1:51

I am drinking a Maha organic hard seltzer.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Maha!

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Yeah. Reminds me of the Amanda show. It is USDA organic. This flavor in particular is black cherry, and it's not too shabby. It has real fruit juice, water, malt, barley, cascara, sea salt, and maha's proprietary blend. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

I'd leave it to Gavin to read the whole can.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

I can read more if you'd like. Brittany, what case did you get?

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Alrighty. I got a doozy of a case, and I this is why I love murder matchup, is because we find cases that we would have possibly never found. So I landed on Jennifer San Marco. So around 9 o'clock PM on January 30th, 2006, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office started to receive frantic phone calls about an active shooter at the U.S. postal sorting facility in Golita, California. Oh shit. One of the callers, I listened to a couple of the 911 calls. Uh, one of the guys called and said, Yeah, there is a person that is shooting everybody. My coworker started yelling, oh my God, somebody call 911. And then this suspect starts shooting her. Which, like, that image in my head was like horrifying. I don't know why, like that the wording and the imagery that it made in my mind was like terrifying. When asked how many people he saw get shot, he said, I saw one. And then, you know, when I took off, I saw her shooting somebody else. Officers quickly rushed from all over the town. They were expecting the absolute worst. Um, since that sorting facility had hundreds of employees, and there was probably about 80 on shift that night. And as soon as they pulled up, employees from the facility were like running out and just like fucking running for their lives, just running past the cops, just trying to get like as far away from the building as possible. So when they were able to like start talking to people and getting some witness reports, they found out who the shooter was and uh definitely was not a person that they would have expected. Um, it was a former employee, 44-year-old Jennifer San Marco. Interesting. Yeah, you most spree killers and mass shooters are nails. So yeah. So Jennifer was born December 6th, 1961, in Brooklyn, New York. A former classmate of hers described her as being very pretty, always sharply dressed, um, friendly but quiet. And she would kind of like she'd be in like the group, like the guy that was talking was like, Oh, I was the kind of the class clown. And, you know, she would like laugh at stuff, but never like really contributed. She just was kind of there and she'd laugh at everything. And but and so this theme of her being friendly but standoffish is something that started when she was like in high school, and it was a common theme of how people would describe her like throughout her life. She didn't really speak a lot about any family that was around her. Like no one really knew like a lot about her. They just, you know, outside of school. And she was just kind of like essentially alone. After high school, she moved to Santa Barbara County in California, which is like a very nice kind of well-to-do area. Um, she had several jobs, including a corrections officer, a police dispatcher, and um a school catering assistant, which I'm assuming is kind of just helping out in the cafeteria. That's random as fuck. Yeah, it was like I was like, okay, yeah, corrections officer, dispatcher, and school, like lunch lady. So her landlord from during this time, like when she was working all these different jobs and she had just moved to California, she remembers like having dinners with her and said that she was smart and beautiful and vivacious, and um, you know, would a lot of times comment, like, how are you single? Which is like the stupidest, I hate that. But I know it was like it was a female landlord, like it was just like a friend, you know, and just kind of like I still just hate that. Like, how are you single? Like bitch, because I want to be.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Um slap me in the face harder next time, would you?

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Yeah, I was like, okay. So um, yeah. So then she after that, she landed a position uh with the US Postal Service and um in like the sorting facility, and she bought a condo. So the Golita Sorting Center was a huge building, and that was where she uh worked. It had a you know, sorting machines, which are really, really loud, apparently. A lot of the employees had said. Um, it was a pretty monotonous job what she did, just sorting the mail, but she did it really great. Former coworkers of hers say that Jennifer's moods were like night and day. So some nights she'd come into work super friendly and upbeat, and like, oh hey guys, you know. And then other nights she just would come in and was the complete opposite. Um, she worked like the overnight shift. So usually she'd start at 9 p.m. sorting the mail overnight. My kind of job. No, I worked, I worked nights like overnight shifts at Costco in the bakery, like leading up to Thanksgiving, like seven years ago. That was before I got like clean and sober, and it was thinking about it makes me want to fucking puke. I was a janitor for FedEx. I just well, but if I if I did like the schedule right, like I slept during the day and then like went to work, it would have been fine. But I just, you know, but mixing him up, yeah. Wasn't a thing I did. So yeah, so they just kind of never really knew like what to expect from her. Shortly after she started, the people around her started to notice that like something seemed a little bit off with her. They would hear her like talking to other people, but then when they'd look, there was no one there. Uh-oh. Um, at first the conversations were fine. I mean, as fine as like they could be for having them with people that aren't there.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Well, you know, like what classifies that as fine, talking to somebody that's not there. Like, okay, the the house was kind of haunted, so it's okay, but the house was definitely not haunted, so she's not okay. I don't know where that justifies.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

Well, like the guy was saying, you know, um, oh, and I got I got a lot of this information from this documentary that I found, which I'll put the link to it in in the blog on our site, because it was um it was a very interesting documentary. But but yeah, like the coworker would say, like, oh, you know, some days, you know, he'd kind of walk by her station and you know, hear her having just like, I mean, like a normal conversation, like a pleasant conversation with this non-existent person. And she'd pause, you know, stop and say, Oh, you know, hey, morning. Um, but like over time, the conversations with what they all called her imaginary friends became like angry and aggressive. And yeah. And so her behavior was just like in a super quick downward spiral. Same guy was saying he have a conversation with her, and then like she would just start yelling at him like out of nowhere. One of the things one of them pointed out is that she'd come into work with red lipstick, but instead of like putting it on your lips like normal, like it looked like she just like put it like across her mouth, like almost like a warble. Like, just really off the wall shit. And it just kind of got worse and worse. So during this time where like her behavior at work was getting, you know, even more weird. Uh kind of the same thing at home was starting, you know, like her behavior at in her home life was starting to stand out. She lived by herself in the condo that she had purchased, but neighbors would often see her in her complex, like chanting and like singing Beatles songs loudly to herself. Um she would, yeah, like she would get into arguments with her neighbor, uh, whose name is Beverly Graham. They shared uh one of the walls of their condos. Beverly would make a comment about the noise or the loud music, and um, Jennifer would just flip out at her. Like Beverly was said to have been like a super sweet woman who had lived in like the neighborhood her whole life, just a really kind person, not like a troublemaker neighbor kind of thing. Um, but she had called in a noise complaint, finally, eventually, uh, due to the loud music. And that seemed to be like a turning point for Jennifer. At work, after that, she began to just ignore everybody. Like she'd come into work and do her job, but she just wouldn't talk to anyone. In 2003, she was actually removed from the building by police after a coworker called in a concern for her mental state. It didn't really give a lot of details of exactly what she said, but she made some sort of comment regarding like a coworker's suicide. And it was some comment that triggered concern. Holy shit. Um so when the officers got there, she made a huge scene. It took, they had to handcuff her, and it took like two officers to like get her out of the building. Damn.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Um, how big is this woman?

SPEAKER_04 11:20

She was like petite, like she was this very petite, like unassuming. I feel like it's like the same with Estie from last week. Like, just I'll show you guys pictures and I'll put them in the blog. Like them little ones that put up the biggest fight. This is a big well, like when I pulled up her picture on Murderpedia last week, I was like, this looks like she could have been like one of my friend's moms, like when I was, you know, in middle school or whatever. Like she just looks very, I hate saying the word normal, but you know, like just not average. But average, yeah. She was placed on a 72-hour involuntary hold. She was 5150 after she was removed from her business. Um 515.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Yeah, what does that mean? I thought that was murder.

SPEAKER_04 12:06

No, uh, I I never realized I don't know. 5150 um is when you are held on a psychiatric hold because you are a danger to yourself or to others. Okay. So to use it in a sentence, Brittany was 5150'd on Easter Eve in 2014. That's an example of a sentence of 5150. Were you really? Yeah, I was. Oh shit. Shit. I thought you were just making that up. Yeah. Okay. No, no, yeah. Life was not awesome back then. Um, so yeah, so she was um, yeah, placed on an involuntary hold. Uh they were more concerned about her being a threat to herself. They had no really concerns about her being a threat to anyone else. So she received a mental health diagnosis at the time, and she was like clearly suffering from psychotic delusions and intrusive thoughts, but she would refuse to accept or admit that she had any sort of issues, refused to have, you know, to seek any sort of treatment for it. So after that incident, she was said retired on health grounds. So I think kind of like uh able to like leave her job, like retire from it because of medical mental health issues. So after this happened, she decided to leave California and they suspect that she was like gonna try to move, you know, closer to family. So back to New York. Um, she seemingly just like packed up her things into her pickup truck and she began to drive east. However, her car broke down in Grants, New Mexico, and she decided to just stay there and she bought a home and got settled in. Uh, and then this is from Wikipedia. This just kind of explains I would have retyped it exactly how this was. So I'm just gonna quote Wikipedia. In the small town of Grants, she earned a reputation for strange behavior, which included speaking or sometimes furiously shouting to herself, ordering food at restaurants and bolting out the door before eating it, stripping naked in public, often in random parking lots, kneeling and praying in random places, often roadsides, talking to an imaginary friend, screaming death threats, yelling profane rap lyrics, and making racist comments. She began getting tattoos and showed them to neighbor Jeannie Steen. When Steen didn't react, San Marco would walk around her in a circle and spat on the ground. So she just really quick got this reputation of just this really strange behavior and clearly needed some help. And I mean, like throughout all this, I mean it just once again, like I don't speak on a lot of like topics, but just the mental health, like the fact that this woman was able to like, you know, there's just it's mental health, there's not enough access to things and yeah, resources and everything. Just resources and you know, and there's just stigma with it. And you know, I mean, this woman she's waving quite a few red flags there. A lot of people saw it, and like, anyways, um, so Jennifer began going into the Milan village hall. The town that she was in was it was like Grants slash Milan. It had two different names. So the village hall, I think, was kind of just like the courthouse where they would do just different, you know, business licensing and you could pay your bills there and stuff like that. So she'd go in there often. She had a fascination with one of the employees there, Sonia Salazar. Whenever she would go in, she would ask for Sonia and she was friendly for a while, but then her behavior would eventually change, um, as well as her appearance. Like she came in one day and like she had before that, like long brown, you know, dark brown hair. She was Italian and like she came in one day and she had this like short, spiky hair that looked like she just like chopped it off with scissors and was dressing differently and just looked like a completely different person. And her demeanor totally changed too. So eventually, like the other workers there would tell Sonia to hide anytime Jennifer came in just to avoid awkward situations, you know, and Sonia could see Jennifer still like from wherever she was, and she could see Jennifer like looking around, like, okay, well, where is she? Like, so in July of 2004, Jennifer went to the village hall to apply for a business license so she could begin the publication of a magazine called The Racist Press. What? Uh she was obviously denied the license. And during this meeting, she would often turn and start arguing with someone who wasn't there, sitting across the desk from the woman she was meeting with, turning to next to her, like, see, I told you, like, well, you know, yelling or arguing with this person that's like, holy shit. Later on, the police found like the quote unquote issues of what she was trying to um poke, you know, put out. And it actually wasn't racist stuff. It was it goes into a little bit at the towards the end of the story. But so yeah, she also at one point wanted to register a cat food business. So she was really all over the place. Jeez. There was a man in the town who delivered propane to her home. And he said that she was always polite, she always paid her bills on time. But once again, over time, she, you know, he would notice her arguing with someone that wasn't there and just, you know, just changing. So in 2005, she purchased a nine millimeter handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition from a local pawn shop in New Mexico. In New Mexico, when you're purchasing like a gun from a pawn shop, there's like a 10-day, I think it's a 10-day waiting period.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

What do they call it? The the cool down period.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

Yeah. And like the cops were saying, Well, they were saying like she clearly was like, she did have periods of time where she could be sane enough to go in and perk, you know, get cleared with a background check for a hand. You know, I mean, she had periods of time where she could function normally and plan ahead or, you know, whatever she was doing at the time.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Well, I think some states have that just in general. If you're gonna go in and buy a gun, they have a what's called a cool down period so that you can't just go buy a gun and shoot your husband in the head or something. Like it gives you 10 days to like think about it so you can't rage by a gun and kill somebody. And that's why that order is like in place in most states.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

So she had that time. She knew to plan ahead for whatever she had planned. Oh shit, was able to was able to pass a background check and all that stuff. Police later found evidence, like in her backyard, that she was doing target practice. And, you know, and they said they didn't know at the time where she was shooting from or any of that, but they were like, whoever was shooting, you know, and they don't know for sure it was her, but it assumingly was because she didn't know anyone, you know, and they were like, whoever this was had a good shot. Like they were a good shot. They were able to hit their targets. Damn. So at the end of January 2006, Jennifer got in her truck and drove from her home in Grants, New Mexico to her former city of residence, Santa Barbara, California. She knew when ship change would be happening at the sorting plant since she used to work the 9 p.m. shift. That's a long ass drive to be thinking about. And she just went straight there too.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

And the waiting period is as methodical as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 19:35

Yeah. So she arrived there just in time to tailgate another car through the first security gate to get into the staff parking lot. Oh shit. Oh no. So uh after getting into the parking lot, she held up another employee at gunpoint and demanded his security pass so she could get access into the building. Once she got it, she told him to go, let him leave, and run away. So even though she let him go, her killing spree began in the parking lot. Her first victim was 37-year-old Z Fairchild. She shot Zee in the head, then began to approach the staff entrance. But before she could go in, she noticed 28-year-old Malika Higgins in the parking lot as well. She shot her point blank in the head and kept walking towards the entrance. Just outside the entrance, she came across 42-year-old Nicola Grant, and she shot her in the head as well. So she hadn't even gotten to the building yet, and she had three victims.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

And those were those weren't her targets. She just those were like bystanders.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

Yeah, no one really knows actually. Oh, okay. She had a target. Damn. Yeah, so she hadn't even gotten in and she had shot three people. And the all the officers that talked about it were like, she just shot all these people point blank. She did not miss a shot. Everyone was shot in the head. Holy shit. So a few employees that were inside the break room, because remember, like I was saying earlier, all the sorting machines are really fucking loud. And so people would wear earplugs, you know, protectance. Some people would wear headphones and, you know, listen to stuff. But the break room was like right on the other side of like the parking lot. So there were some people inside the break room. They heard gunshots or something outside. So they went out the window to look. And they didn't see her shoot anyone, but they did see her. And she turned to them and smiled. Gross. So she finally made her way into the building where, like I said earlier, about 80 people were working there that night amongst all the loud ass sorting machines. So a few of the employees like heard the gunshots, but thought that they were just another machine, something, or they were saying like there were like these like pallet carts that if they like kind of Fell, they would make a really loud noise. So they just assumed it was something, you know, because it's loud, they're looking down and working. Right. Um, and then once they looked up, they would see people like saying run, run, run, and they realized that something really bad was happening. So Jennifer was terrifying too, because you don't know where to run to. Yeah. Like where, yeah, you don't know what's happening, where it's happening. Like, yeah, just I don't know. Listening to these people like describe it, like made it just so easy to picture in your head, and it was just horrifying. She made her way deeper into the building where she shot the supervisor, 44-year-old Charlotte Colton. This one seems to have hit everyone like really hard. They just said like she was just an absolutely like beautiful human inside and out, just an amazing person. Uh, after she was shot, an employee had dragged Charlotte into another room. And the deputies found her, like, and she was still alive. And they did their best to like comfort her. And they, you know, just they just talked to her the whole time and they took her to cottage hospital. Um, but she unfortunately died two days later. No. Jennifer kept going. She went to her former workstation where she shot 52-year-old Guadalupe Swartz four times. Um, she then made her way to the work area of 57-year-old Dexter Shannon, who had been working with headphones on and had no idea that anything was even happening. Oh no. Oh. And she shot him in the head. Jennifer then turned the gun on herself and shot herself in the head. Oh, geez. When a cowardly little bitch. Oh, like what someone was saying is that a lot of spree killers or mass shooters, like, it stems from suicidal thoughts. So they want to die, they want to kill themselves. So fuck it. But they feel, yeah, they feel like scorned by other people and like, well, if I have to fucking suffer, like, I'm gonna make these suffer these people suffer first. So a lot of times they go into it with the intention of killing themselves at the end. Yeah, they just want to take other people out first.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Cause that's crazy. I mean, yeah, there's no um consequence at that point.

SPEAKER_04 24:14

Like just so cowardly, it's just yeah, literally. Yeah, like leave everyone else alone. Yeah, just bring it to the grave. Don't do anything else. So when they um when the authorities found her body, they said that the gun was still like clutched in her hand. So they had to, the gun was loaded and it was like it was ready to be shot. So and it was like clutched in her hand. So they had to rem yes, cocked and yeah, cocked. Thank you, Gavin, for remembering the word cocked. Yeah, you're rough gone. Wow, I wonder why. Uh so yeah, so they had to like pry it out of her hands when it was all loaded. So God, that's crazy. Yeah. So hours after the shooting, the sheriff's office received a call from the boyfriend of Beverly Graham, Jennifer's former neighbor, saying that he had found her body in her apartment. They realizing that Jennifer had first gone and settled that argument from years before and killed her former neighbor, Beverly, first before she went to the postal sorting. No shit.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

So she like had a bucket or like a to-do list. Like she knocked her off first and then went and then did that, but then she killed herself in the Yep. Jeez Christ.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Yeah. So the motive behind Jennifer's spree was never really figured out. Again, I'm gonna quote this from Wikipedia. Uh, so San Marco was apparently convinced that she was the target of a nefarious conspiracy centered at the Goleta Postal Facility, according to writings recovered from her home in New Mexico. A spokesman for the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office conjectured that San Marco's paranoia and history of mental illness may have motivated her to commit the murders. Among San Marco's writings were error-laden explanations of various religions and a confusing theory linking the U.S. government to the son of Sam killer, David Berkowitz, the Ku Klux Klan, and racist murders. And the son of Sam, David Berkowitz, he was active in New York when she was a teenager. And there's obviously different like conspiracies and stuff. But like when Son of Sam was, he had a very specific target, and it was petite girls with long dark hair. And that is what Jennifer was at the time. So like there's thoughts that maybe that fucked with her when it was happening and just stuck with her forever. A diary with over a hundred pages was also found full of meticulously tracked perceived slights and offenses she received from people.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

She kept track of the things that people did. Oh my goodness sake, you're live.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Yep. Uh, an auto-body worker once said San Marco claimed that the Postal Service mistreated her, but that she never said anything violent or talked about murder, only that they had to quote unquote pay, which may indicate revenge as another possible motive. Yeah, absolutely. Well, so yeah, that is Jennifer San Marco. It was a wild ride. I went to say the least insane. Jeez. Um, there's a lot more detail on the documentary. I found it on YouTube, and it was um the channel Real Crime, and it was called A Postal Worker's Revenge. And again, I will um it's like a 45-minute long documentary. So I'll I'll link it on the blog and the on the site. But that was my murder matchup. Wow, good job. Thanks. Yeah, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Not what I was expecting. You expect anything with murder matchup?

SPEAKER_01 28:03

I know it was, yeah, I know it was but I never expected a postal worker being that good of a shooter and killing that many people. I nope. I'd never heard of her. Like I've never well, I mean, does that classify you as a serial killer, or do you have to do that over like days to do that?

SPEAKER_04 28:18

No, that's that a spree killing. It's not even a spree killing, it's more of it's it's like I mean it's a mass murder. Yeah, it's a mass killing. So a spree killing is when you have a cool-off period. So like I I which the cool-off period I think is like one to two days, something like that. So a mass killer is someone that kills a lot of people in one in one at one time. At one time, right. Spree killer is you uh go on a spree. You kill it. Like in a shortened amount of time, but there is a cooling off period. But then what's the difference between that and a serial killer? A serial killer is over a longer amount of lime smooth with longer cooling off periods.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Oh, interesting. They also have like very specific MOs, yeah, and types.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah, that'll come into play with my strike because I didn't I didn't know how to classify this person because I was like, is this a this or a that or a this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:10

No, it's really interesting when you read like how they're classified and stuff. It's pretty.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I just always thought if it was above three, you're serial killer. But like, I guess when it comes into duration.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Mm-hmm.

unknown 29:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

It's interesting. Yeah. There's a there shouldn't even be a classification for that. That's so fucked. But of course there is. There's a whole lot of classifications. Sad. Damn.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Gavin, you're next. At least I didn't say whale.

SPEAKER_04 29:37

Why? It I it took me to the second listening of the last episode to get why Susie said something about Lempsy too. I didn't get it when we were recording. I didn't get it the first time I listened to it, and then I listened to it again, and I was like, ow.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

That was that was really witty of me. Whale says that whale like the whale in 52. I get it.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

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SPEAKER_02 30:24

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SPEAKER_04 30:46

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SPEAKER_00 30:53

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SPEAKER_04 31:20

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SPEAKER_02 31:46

We want to thank 52 for being Nightcap's OG sponsor, and we hope that you love this book as much as we do. So I landed on Christopher George Theodore Lamar. And there was not a lot of information because there were no news articles, no documentaries, literally only just court documents and what was on Murder Media. That was it. Here's the story. Christopher Lamar was born November 15th, 1971. He met his girlfriend Mila Hogan in April of 1996, one month later. Mila and Christopher would be living together in a house on 81st Street in Peoria, Arizona, with several other people. Bear with me, y'all. Mary Keovara Bruf. Booth. He has literally no idea. Don't laugh at him, Brittany. He's doing his best. She is just going to be told Mary Kay from here on out.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

Well, I was just gonna throw in there. This is a perfect time to mention that we're gonna have a new pint glass giveaway soon where you get to correct us on pronunciations.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

So I would just like to personally apologize to the New Zealanders that listened to the episode last week. They seemed obvious, the pronunciation seemed obvious. That was my bad. That was my bad. I'm just gonna say that I went in with good intentions and I'm sorry I didn't nail it. Gavin, keep going.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Okay, so we got Mary, Keo Varabouf, Aude Panani, Vincent Mascherella, Richard Valdez or Valdez, and Abraham Hermosillo. Okay, now this funky bunch has they need to calm the fuck down with them last names. I end up having to rewrite this whole thing using first names because I was not going to try to butcher all of these last names. Anyhow, on May 11th, 1996, Ronald Jones left his home around 1 p.m. telling his girlfriend Alicia that he had planned to deliver documents to a loan company. At some point, Mila Hogan, Lamar's girlfriend, contacted Jones by pager to invite him to lunch. I know, right? A pager. It's old school as fuck. 1996. Love it. Mila and Ronald were acquaintances who had met through Mary, Mary Kay. Ronald then drove to the house on 81st Street and picked up Myla, and then they went off to have lunch together. What Ronald didn't know is that the house full of Cretans had devised a sinister plot. The plan was cut and dry. Kidnap and rob Ronald, steal his money and any valuable possessions on his person so they could pay rent, and to rough him up a little bit so he'd stop spending time with Mila. Wow. When Ronald and Milo returned to the house on 81st Street, Lamar confronted Ronald about his relationship with Myla. Ronald expressed out loud that he did not know that Mila and Lamar were even a thing. Lamar then took a swing at Ronald, knocking him to the floor. At this time, Vincent M stepped in, pointing a gun at Ronald. Lamar then instructed Abraham to retrieve duct tape and bind Ronald's hands and ankles. After restraining Ronald, Lamar and Vincent then moved Ronald into a bedroom. They then took his shoes, jewelry, fifty dollars, and some crack cocaine. I know that that's a just that too. That's a big bunch of loot right there. That's a no-no. That's gonna pay the rent. At this point, Ronald was pleading for his life, offering to write a check if they would just let him go. Lamar demanded that Vincent give him the gun, telling him that he had done this before. Oh Lord. The 40 Watt Club, in case you guys didn't know what that means, means uh not too bright.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

Oh so we're members of it. Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Yeah, I was gonna say So the 40 Watt Club then took Ronald the brightest bulb in the tanning bed. Exactly. The 40Watt Club then took Ronald upstairs and held him captive while the group watched TV and took turns guarding Ronald with the gun.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Oh that's so nice.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

You know, just chilling up watching TV while some poor dude's tied up upstairs, pleading for his life. As the day turned into night, Lamar and the other fuckweasels took Ronald downstairs and then outside where they forced him into the front passenger seat of his own car. Lamar told Vincent to drive to Lamar and Abraham's old stomping grounds near 35th Avenue and Broadway. The rest of the gaggle of gobsites followed behind in the stolen truck. Lamar, sitting directly behind Ronald, held the gun to the back of his head and pulled the trigger.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

But the gun did not fire.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Ronald pleaded for his life when he heard the gut-wrenching sound of the click of the gun.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Oh my god, I can't even imagine.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

I know. That like when I read that part, it totally made my stomach sink. My stomach dropped. Oh god, could you just imagine? Lamar told Vincent to pull over to the side of the road near a vacant lot. The three then exited the vehicle and walked to the back of the car. Lamar instructed Vincent to open the trunk. Lamar then shot Ronald twice in the head.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

With the same gun that jammed?

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

Unfortunately, Ronald did not immediately succumb to the gunshots.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

As Lamar picked up Ronald and placed him in the trunk, Ronald made gurgling sounds as though he were choking on his own blood. Oh Kida. As all of this was taking place, the rest of the group was just chilling over at Vincent's grandmother's house, which wasn't far from the scene. Oh, just chillin' at Granny, that's like just chilling at grandma's house.

SPEAKER_03 37:52

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Close enough that they were able to hear the gunshots. When they arrived, they asked the two what had happened. Lamar responded by opening the trunk, patting Ronald's dead body on the back. You're joking. Nope. They all decided to move the car and bury Ronald's body. However, the car would not start, so they were forced to push it into a parking lot. Lamar told one of them to go find a shovel, and Vincent began digging a grave. Four of them dragged Ronald's lifeless body to the grave and pushed him in, covering it with dirt and brush. They then returned to the car where they removed a cell phone, a radio, a CD player, a toolbox, and a tool belt, and then set Ronald's car on fire. At some point that night, Vincent called the house on 81st Street from Ronald's cell phone, telling Mary Kay that they had made a huge mistake.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Wow, really, you think?

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Lamar was livid about Vincent using the phone as it could easily connect them to Ronald, as if there wasn't already a mountain of evidence already there to make that connection.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

That motherfucker, damn it.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

They all then went to a party in Lamar's old neighborhood. Mm-hmm. You're joking. No, they went to a party. Lamar ran into his cousin, Francis, who noticed that Lamar had blood on his shoes. Stop it right now. Lamar asked Francis for a ride to Mesa. I'm not really sure why. I couldn't- There wasn't any information as to why they were going to Mesa, but Mesa and Peoria, if I remember right, from when I lived there, they're not necessarily too close to each other. And while they were driving, Lamar threw a shoe out the window. Just one.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

The bloody one. It was the bloody shoe.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

All right, Cinderella. Lamar later returned to the party, and from there the group of Fuckwits drove back to Peoria in the stolen truck. They then abandoned the truck in a nearby parking lot and walked back to the house on 81st Street. When they arrived at the house, both Lamar and Vincent accused the other of shooting Ronald, but both eventually claimed to have shot him. Confusing. I I I don't I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

There were homies. Yeah. Homies now snitch. I got your booze.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

In September of 1996, a silent witness received a tip from Lamar's cousin Francis that police could find a body buried in a vacant lot near 43rd Avenue and Weir. Police searched a gravel pit near 43rd and Weir and located Ronald's body. During a search of Lamar's aunt's home, where Lamar and Mila often crashed, police discovered a tool belt wrapped in a diaper in the dumpster behind the apartment.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

Where'd they get the diaper?

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Yeah, like Lamar's aunt Deborah admitted that she found the tool belt in the pantry where Lamar kept his belongings. But what I don't fully understand is if she would have just thrown it out and wrapped it in a diaper, she must have known whose it was.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

Yeah, you don't just like wrap shit up in diapers to everything.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Exactly. Like if she would have just thought it was Lamar's, then like why would you have even thrown it out to begin with?

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Are we talking about a whole tool belt that was she wrapped in? How are how big was that diaper?

SPEAKER_02 41:15

I don't know. Might have been an adult diaper.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

Um, yeah, I'm just saying is that it depends because I know diapers and they're not that fucking big.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Police also found the toolbox on a shelf in the back of the kitchen. And in February 1997, a grand jury indicted Lamar for first degree murder and kidnapping. On December 10th, 1999, a jury of his peers convicted Lamar of kidnapping and first degree murder on both premeditated and felony murder theories, sentencing him to death. And that is the story of Christopher George Theodore Lamar and his posse of Pooh faced potato fucks. Gavin! You're welcome. I love it. And fuck that guy and all the rest of those guys.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Fuck those guys. Fuck those guys.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I told you it was short and sweet and to the point.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Fucked up. Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Poor Ronald.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Alright, you guys. So this gave me flashbacks back to Robert Yates in the case that I covered with him. But we're gonna dive right in. So I got Gary Allen Walker, also known as the roaming rapist.

SPEAKER_04 42:27

I don't like that name.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Yeah, already. That's what I said. I'm like, that's the first thing. Okay. So he was born September 25th, 1953. He lived a life full of convictions over the span of 15 years, including housebreaking, narcotics abuse, carjacking, and carrying a concealed weapon. He literally hadn't spent a full year out of confinement since he was 17 years old. Holy crap. He was 30. Oh, and all of these crimes took place. He was also found mentally unstable by the courts on numerous occasions, being diagnosed as paranoid and schizophrenic, as well as a danger to society. Regardless of his diagnosis, he was still able to be paroled, which led to his 19-day spree of gruesome murders and rapes. So we're gonna jump on in. During the summer of 1984 in the Oklahoma area, Walker's spree began on May 7th when he was picked up as a hitchhiker by a kind humanitarian named Eddie Cash. Eddie was all too trusting with Walker. He even disclosed information about where he lived, and that was a mistake that would cost him his life. Walker, after being dropped off, made his way to Cash's house and began ransacking the home, stealing anything of value. Cash unfortunately returned home in the middle of the robbing and tried to. Fight off Walker. This ended with Eddie Cash's skull being beaten in with a brick. And if that wasn't enough, oh god. Gary Walker also strangled him with a vacuum cord to make sure the job was done.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

What's up with people strangling people with cords, man? It's a whole thing. It's an overkill.

SPEAKER_01 44:21

So a neighbor of Eddie Cash. It's an overkill. I just caught that. It really is, though. Yeah. Okay, so a neighbor of Eddie Cash had noticed his inactivity and reported it to police. Arriving officers found Eddie's deceased body at the scene, as well as Cash's 1976 Dodge van missing. Walker was the one who stole the van. If you guys didn't catch that, he drove to Heavener, Oklahoma, keeping on backroads only to avoid a police attention. He then sold the van to a scrapyard and went on his merry way. He decided to splurge on the money he received from scrapping the van, so he went to Henry's Bar near Ponto, Oklahoma, where he met 36-year-old Margaret Bell. When it rolled into closing time at the bar, Margaret offered Walker a ride home in her Cadillac. Once the two entered the vehicle, Walker pulled a knife on Margaret and forced her to drive him out of the vicinity. Walker then forced Margaret Bell to drive him to Arkansas, then to Tennessee, then finally to Kentucky. During the trip, he raped and sodomized her multiple times and then finally murdered her. Not only that, but he kept driving her car and he also kept her deceased body traveling in the car with him for nearly a week. Oh. He would eventually dump her body, but we'll get into that later. Oh. Walker drove her Cadillac until the engine eventually gave out and he abandoned the vehicle and hitchhiked his way back to Oklahoma. At this point, Cash's murder and Belle's disappearance had not been connected by police for a slew of reasons. So the first murder, second murder hadn't been connected. The next victim in Walker's Free was 35-year-old Jane Hillburn on May 14th. Walker noticed Jane working on the yard of her for sale home near Tulsa, Oklahoma. He struck up a conversation with her, posing as a potential buyer, and requested a tour of her home. Once inside, he attacked Jane Hilburn, ripping off her clothes and dragging her into the bedroom, where he then beat and raped her repeatedly, and then ended her life by strangling the poor, unsuspecting woman. After her death, he robbed her house and stole her 1987 black Camaro. Heading to Tulsa. I'm going to go ahead and interject here that my story does contain a lot of rape. Clearly. And a lot of murder. And a lot of strangling. I'm just going to put that in here now. So if you have trigger warnings against this, I'm so sorry, but it doesn't stop here. Not even close. Okay. So police still at this point had no reason to link the three crimes at this time. Gary Allen Walker's next victim was an 18-year-old female that accepted a ride from Walker on May 15th, the very next day from Jane Hilburn's murder. She was on her way to go swimming. She said the man introduced himself as Gary Edwards, and while in his car, she eventually got scared and weary and asked the man politely to let her out of the vehicle. Gary Walker then pulled the knife and told her she needed to listen carefully and behave if she wanted to live. He drove her to the Keystone ramp and ordered her to get naked. This is apparently a camping ground. I thought it was like a highway ramp, but apparently it's a camping ground. Miraculously, though, she managed to jump out of his vehicle and flee to the road where she summoned help and survived her encounter with Gary Allen Walker.

unknown 48:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Her name, because she was only 18 at the time, was never disclosed to the public. I mean, the information was disclosed, but not her name, because she was very, very young. So five days after her escape, Walker picked up a young boy and girl who were hitchhiking.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

I also note they probably didn't disclose her name because he didn't actually kill her.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Right. Oh yeah. This happens multiple times in my case. I noticed the names not being disclosed.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

Because they don't want them to be able to track them back down.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Yeah, because they're survivors. So they will be he's and she's and they's from at this point on. But so five days after the escape, Walker picked up a young boy and girl who were hitchhiking near Hominy, Oklahoma. He released the young boy out into the boondocks, far away from civilization, and told him, You're lucky. But he kept hold on the 17-year-old girl. Oh no. The young boy went to authorities and reported the abduction of his girlfriend, which was a 17-year-old girl, and a manhunt began for the bushy-haired driver and the black Camaro. While in his possession, the young girl, just like the rest, was raped, and she was also ordered to give him oral sex at knife point. Oh God. But luckily, after Walker had fallen asleep, she fled his car, made it to the highway, and flagged down a trucker who brought her to safety. My story gets a little redundant. I mean, it's really fucked up all the way around, but it keeps repeating itself. So just bear with me here. That's why I feel like this is like a Robert Yates scenario. Because repeating Robert Yates, like his victims, it was like he did this and did this shocker.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

The whole point of serial.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Right. Exactly. Exactly. Gary Walker now knew with the last two girls escaping and the Camaro being linked to Jane Hilburn, he had to ditch the vehicle. The Camaro was eventually found and impounded on May 22nd, 1984. The next day, on May 23rd, 1984, Walker was walking down the street in Tulsa, Oklahoma, when he came across Janet Jewel, who was stranded because her Dodge Dart was out of gas. Now, instead of a potential buyer, he was posing as a good Samaritan. He offered his help and managed to squeeze his way into her vehicle, pulled a knife on her, and kidnapped her in broad fucking daylight.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

He's got balls.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Walker drove her through Bristow and even made her purchase drinks and potato chips with what little money she had. There was multiple stops made, and Walker raped this poor girl multiple, multiple times. I spare the details on the rapes because it's nobody wants to hear about that. An unsuspecting oil pumper came across the two in the car and told them they needed to move their car and leave because they were on private property. This man could have saved her, but he later told police he couldn't tell her hands were tied behind her back because Gary Walker was naked and on top of her. He assumed it was consensual. Yeah. Pretty bad. Sadly enough, even though Jewel begged for her life and to be able to go back to her children, killer or Walker killed her anyway. The cause of death was strangulation by a piece of cord.

unknown 51:49

Man.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

Strangulation takes so long, too. That's such a personal up close way to kill somebody. It's pretty bad for sure.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

Walker then drove her body. It's not as personal as this, though. Walker then drove her body to a small Oakmulje County Creek near Beggs and threw her lifeless body into the water and washed it sink while finishing the potato chips he had forced her to buy. That's a little bit better than what I thought you were gonna say. Same finishing something else. Still gross. He made her buy the potato chips and he finished them while he's watching her fucking just I don't know. I was like, that's fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up. It seemed like a shit-up, like a horror movie to me. The police were, of course, now on the lookout for Janet Jewell's Dodge Dart now as a result of law enforcement fearing that she was yet another abduction victim in Oklahoma, because there had been so many in a short amount of time. And we're gonna remind you guys that this was a 19-day spree. 19 days. This isn't years. 19 days. Okay, so the very next day after Janet Jewell's murder, May 24th, Walker was yet again back on the hunt at Tulsa's Town West shopping center, where he honed in on Valerie Shaw Hartzell, who happened to be of one of Tulsa's favorite newscasters. Oh. She was exiting the store with diapers in her hands when, on the way back to her pickup, she felt a knife against her back and was threatened to not make a sound or else she would never see her baby again.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

As a mother, that one stinks.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yeah, well, he was obviously paying attention to what she was carrying.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Which in this article that I had read, it said that she had already fulfilled her shopping list and she forgot diapers, so she had to go back. And they said that if she hadn't have forgotten the diapers, this would have never happened to her. And it was like, that is so fucked. That's so fucked. So Walker then slipped into the vehicle with her and they were gone. Valerie's well-recognized face was put all over local TV, and witness reports began coming in. There were statements being made that she was seen at two different local drive-up banks with a gruffly looking man trying to withdraw money. Walker made Valerie withdraw$1,150 for him while she was his abductee. And she, again, was being brutally raped the whole duration of her time with him. There was a massive search party put out for Valerie, her truck, and her captor, but there was no avail. Gary Allen Walker strangled Valerie Shah Hartzall, and she was never seen alive again. After the death of Valerie, Walker then went on a drinking spree that led him back to Venita, the area of Jane Hilburn's murder. Here he kidnapped and raped yet another young girl and held her hostage for multiple days. He later claimed, though, that she was quote unquote nice to him. So he drove her to her neighborhood, kissed her goodbye, and dropped her off. Gross. Oof. Really gross. No, thank you. After being released, she went to police to report a situation, the man and the truck he was driving. The situation now intensified with the police confirming the truck she reported was that of the missing newscasters. Oh shit. So now we're going back into police investigations. On May 28th, 1984, Walker's fingerprints were confirmed on the inside of Jane Hilburn's Camaro, now linking him to her murder and the crimes involving the witness statements from the abductions of the escaped victims. So remember, after he had picked up the Camaro, he tried to like fuck over multiple other people and they escaped. And that was their statements was that he was driving this Camaro. So now this is all starting to link back to him, and they have a name now. Walker then eventually ditched Valerie's pickup truck in a trade at a bar for a random man's 22 caliber handgun. He also attempted and failed to rob a grocery store clerk with that said 22. After the failed attempt at robbery, he returned back to a motel he was staying at, but instead of going into his room, he forced two motel employees, one man and one woman, at gunpoint into the female employee's car and told her to drive. As soon as they were away from the motel, Walker made her stop so he could drive. And at this point, the man and the woman saw their opportunity to escape and took it, both fleeing from the car and making their way to safety. Walker again, noting the failure of the escapists, knew he needed to ditch the car, so again he did so, leaving it in a field. While in that field, he noticed a mobile home. And shockingly, he broke into it. Hmm. Two women Yeah, right. Two women came home during the burglary and were forced. They're foist. They were forced at gunpoint into their car. Shocker. The younger of the two women begged to be let free because she was five months pregnant, but Walker insisted that he would not harm them if they behaved. The three stopped at a restaurant near Claremore, Oklahoma, Claremore, Oklahoma, because they were all hungry. None of them had money, so Walker pawned his 22 gun, fed them a good lunch, and after the lunch, he gave the women money and dropped them off in Tulsa.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

No shit.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

What? Right. He asked them to give him one hour before calling police. And when they complied, he kissed them both on the cheek and said, No. Stop it. That is disgusting. No. It's so back and forth this entire time. Okay. Yeah. You have a fucking psychopath. Mm-hmm. Did I mention Paranoid and Schizo? It's a real saying. Oh my god. Did I mention a danger to society? Okay, so on May 30th, two more girls were abducted in Van Buren, Arkansas, after Walker broke into their home while they were watching TV and forced them outside into their own vehicle. He told the girl driving to find a deserted road, and he told her that he had the intentions of raping them both. Such a gentleman. When she stopped the car, the two girls jumped out and fled the scene, finding safety after flagging down a farmer. They were then taken to the police station where they identified their abductor as Gary Allen Walker. He literally let a lot of people escape.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

He just didn't like to run.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Yeah, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Like he did not chase them.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

It was just like a whoop let it go. Like a start over again. Like if if somebody escaped, he would just be like, whoop, ditch the car. It's always tomorrow. Or if somebody died, he'd be like, Oh, too much time in this car, gonna ditch the car, gonna try again. But this is only 19 days. Okay, it's a lot of people for 19 days. Okay, sh so shortly after his attack on the one Van Buren residence, Walter broke through the front door of another unsuspecting home, threatening to kill the residents if they didn't give him the keys to their car. They obliged and later confirmed Walker's identity with police. With all the police from different local counties and cities on high alert for Gary Allen Walker, he was eventually hunted down at a rundown mobile home in Tulsa. He was drinking beer with two neighborhood men when he was arrested. Upon his arrest, he immediately confessed to the five murders, disclosed the location of the remains of Janet Jewell, her skeletonized corpse was dug up near Beggs, Valerie Shawhartel, she was found near Clairmore, already decomposing, and Margaret Bell, who was found in an abandoned barn under a pile of hay near Princeton, Kentucky. He also threw in and I'm sorry, I killed five people, okay? Stop it, quote unquote. No. Oh, how that works. Yeah. So it was an obvious no-brainer for the jury to find Gary Allen Walker guilty on November 14th, 1984. And they without hesitation sentenced him to death, even with Walker's lawyer claiming insanity, like he had gone, time and time again. They didn't have time for that. They were like, Nope, not doing it. So at 1220 a.m. on Thursday, January 13th, 2000, Walker died four minutes after receiving the lethal injection. His last words were I'm sorry for what I've done. I hope when I go, the hate you have, and it's natural for you to hate me that you would let it go with me. Family members of the deceased clapped in the witness chamber upon watching Walker die. This was the final chapter in one of the most horrific sprees Oklahoma has ever seen. But I don't end there. Really? So interesting little tidbit. In 1986, a woman was found murdered in Oklahoma. She was completely naked, besides the stockings and bra that was left around her throat. The last person she was ever seen with was Marshall Cummings Jr., which oddly enough was one of the men Gary Allen Walker was with when he was arrested. Oh Marshall eventually pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 25 years. But that's a really odd coincidence. You wonder what the men were talking about. Just killer BFFs. Sounds real fun. Why don't I try it too, huh? Disgusting. Huh. But so Brittany, would you call him a serial killer? Would you call him a murder spree?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

I feel like that would be a spree. Oh yeah. A spree. I mean, that's a nice it's just over the course of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

It was a nice it was a 19-day jount, but five killed in like 10.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

I would say that's a spree.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Eight to ten.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

Can you imagine how like terrifying that would have been to be living there then at that point in time, like all over the news? Like, oh, bodies are just trying. Here's another body. Oh, another woman's been raped.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

Like, holy fucking shit from like city to city to city in such a close range. And that's not like Oklahoma's not like a big, vast, popular place either. And it I don't know, it's just crazy. And if you look at pictures of the guy too, he literally looks like like fear and loathing in Las Vegas, where they have like the the sunglasses and like the bushy hair.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:25

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Never would have suspected it, but he's the roaming rapist.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

Nice job, Suze.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

He sounds like he just wanted people to love him. Maybe have some mommy issues. There was nothing on his background I wanted to know. But yeah, it seemed like he was fucking the ones that were nice to him and like pretended to like him, he let go. And then before he died, he's like, I hope that you stop hating me.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

But the two mothers that he did end up killing, they both begged him. I have children at home, I'll do anything, I won't say anything, I have babies, please let me go. And then without in without hesitation, fucking ganked up.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

They didn't act, they didn't play the game of you know, acting like he they liked him. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

Right. Ugh. And the ones that escaped, like, why'd you let them escape? I don't know. It's a whole like psychological.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

You said that the one girl told police that um he was really nice to her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Well she was really nice to him. He had admitted that she was so nice to him. She was that she had dragged her off at home. And the two girls that he broke into their house, one was pregnant and he bought them lunch and gave them money and then let them go. But there was other two, like the newscaster and the other mom, she was a mother of three, begged him, I'm a I'm a mother, I want to see my children again. I'll do anything, please don't hurt me. And then without hesitation, after they said that, killed them. So there's really no like psychological tie there. Like, could you say, like, maybe he had like sympathy, maybe he had some morals? No, because those two had mothers and they or babies.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

Well, no, no, sympathy, but he wanted people to like him. And so the ones that did pretend to like him, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

And there was some um articles that had claimed that his schizocrania wasn't just it was he heard his dead brother talking to him, which there wasn't much more on that. I was like, was his dead brother murdered? Was it older? Was it younger? Like, I wanted to look into that. There was nothing there for that, but that's what his like records have said that his dead brother was talking to him. So you never know. It was really weird. It was such a toss-up because a lot of murders wouldn't want to let people just escape or let people go, or give them kisses on the cheek and mouths and let them go.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:42

Even though it took place in such a short period of time, like I clearly the people that he was able to establish some sort of an emotional connection with is are the ones that he you know didn't kill.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Right. Totally. I I think this is a totally Psychological case. And I wish there was more on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

That's crazy. Good job, Zeus.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

I had to dig to find his fucking birthday. That's how little background I got. Wow. But yeah, very interesting. The good old good old fucking murder matchup. It's my favorite. Well, damn. This was a damn doozy. We hope you all enjoyed our murder matchups this month. Y'all better tune in next week for filmworthy crimes.

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unknown 1:07:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

I guess that's all we got, you guys. So see you next week. Bye. Bye. Damn it. I did it. I did it, you guys. Hi. I did it. You didn't think I could, but I did it. No, you always do it. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:29

It's not a negative thing at all. We love. We love Unhinged Susie. You're just saying that. Shut up. Oh god, here we go. I keep getting tripped out because I can see her behind you. And there's a and the carrot where it's like it's just floating. Oh dude. Watch it. Uh twirl your chair a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:53

There he is. Now here he is.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:56

Now there he is. There he is.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:02

Holy shit.