Film Worthy

This week, we travel to Hollywood to explore the real-life cases that inspired a few of the crime movies we all know and love. Grab a drink, some popcorn, and settle in. This one’s a doozy. 

Gavin tells us about Ivan Milat and The Backpack Murders, which inspired the gruesome and horrifying 2005 thriller, Wolf Creek. 

Brittany tells the nightmare-inducing story of Gary Rollings, aka The Gainesville Ripper, and his spree of murders that inspired the movie Scream. 

Join Gavin, Suzi, and Brittany each week as we take you on a thrill ride adventure into the juicy details surrounding famous and unheard-of cases.

Things can get a little rough, so listener discretion is advised.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

911, what is your emergency? I just saw a body. I don't know what to do. On government officials think the pit an isolated instrument hold the napkin for you.

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You are listening to Nightcab, a true crime podcast.

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If the mystery of murder intrigues you, or if you find crime quite a curiosity, welcome home.

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Pour yourself a drink, sit back, and buckle up. It's gonna get dark.

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Be warned, this podcast does contain explicit content and graphic descriptions of real life accounts and cases. Listener discretion is definitely advised.

SPEAKER_06 0:46

Uh hi. Are you guys ready for a humdinger of an episode? This one is all about movies and the horrific true crimes they're based on. Grab your popcorn, settle in, and try not to bite your nails. So let's get to it. Who the fuck are we? I'm Gavin.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

I'm Susie. And I'm Brittany. Let's get to what we're all drinking this week. I am having brewdogs faux fox, sharp raspberry, non-alcoholic, something something, non-alcoholic flavored near beer. Yep. And it's it's tart and fruity and delicious and red. So I like it. I want to try it. Every time you have it, I'm just like, God, that looks so good. It does look really good. I know. I'll have to order some more and bring some. I need to get stocked up on what I'm gonna bring with me to Spokane.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

We'll see. There you go. Slower vision trunk.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

What about you, Gabby?

SPEAKER_06 1:46

I'm drinking Arnold Palmer Spiked. Original, half and half, half iced tea, half lemonade. Contains 5% alcohol, real juice, and select teas. This can is pretty boring. I don't have a whole lot to read to you guys this week. I apologize. But uh there is a dude on the can and he is playing golf, I've discovered. I originally thought not holding his stick. Had his hand in his pocket, but uh Brittany could see through the webcam good enough to know that it was a golf club and not his penis.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

So both hands are penis.

SPEAKER_06 2:25

I'm disappointed. And uh Susie, what you got over there?

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Oh man. I I'm boringly drinking Heineken again. It's my go-to beer. It's it's a good one. It's I think it's brewed in Holland. Something like that. I don't know. It's pretty good. And of course, of uh Mr. Admiral Nelson, too. He's been here. He's uh joined the party behind scene. Oh, hell yeah. He always said you guys just don't realize it until the end of the episode when I'm acting a fool. Our favorite part. My favorite part of the week. Oh god. It's in our outro. It's like Susie, lose your shit. And I'm like, I don't need that in there. I'll just do it myself. They just expect it from me now. It's fine. It's fine. But I was put on the uh task of getting facts for this episode, and it's film-worthy based on a true story facts. There is no facts. I don't have any facts for you guys. I can only literally tell you the definitions of these things. So, based on a true story means that people, places, and events are real, but certain aspects have been slightly fictionalized, most often for cinematic effect and flow. And when you see inspired by true events instead, that means that the people and events in the story are fictional, but are based on things that actually happened. I didn't know there was a difference between the two.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Yeah, I only recently like I mean, like, yeah, I knew there's a difference, but I wasn't quite sure. So thanks for that.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

I just thought it was a different wordage, like whichever one you wanted to use, but apparently they're separate. And so, but I did find, using the good old BuzzFeed, 10 noteworthy true crime movies that are based on true stories that I'm gonna share with you guys because I like that shit, and I'm sure if you're listening to this, you probably like that shit too. So here we go. So, first off, we have the trial of the Chicago 7 that was made in 2020, and it's about eight people who are charged with conspiring to incite riots during the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

That's a mouthful.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

It is quite a mouthful. That's a lot of words. I've seen the trailer for that, I haven't seen it yet. Looks like a good one though. Next up, we have The Afflicted, made in 2011, about Teresa Knoer, who was arrested and charged for murdering two of her six children. Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Was this the bathtub check?

SPEAKER_04 4:44

I don't I don't know. I didn't see it, so I didn't want to look down on the. No, this was just two of six. I don't know if she was playing favorites or what, but next we have uh Oh, sorry, is that my bad, my bad. Okay, next we have uh 300 or 3,096 days in 2013. That was about excuse me here, I don't know how to say it. Nashka Campush and her time being abducted at age 10 and held captive in a basement for eight years before escaping. And next we have Scream, 1996, the good old classic, and that's about the Gainesville Ripper, which is all I'm gonna say about that. So next up we have The Girl Next Door and An American Crime, which were both made in 2007 and they were based on the same event, which I thought was kind of funny that they both came out the same year. I've seen An American Crime, I haven't seen The Girl Next Door, but both movies are about the story of abuse and murder of Sylvia Lykins. And if you haven't seen An American Crime, Elliot Page Kills It. He plays Sylvia Lykens and it's phenomenal. Like it's gut-wrenching, it hurts my stomach every time to watch it, but he does a killer job at that. It's amazing. And so after that, we have Carla, made in 2006, about the married couple Carla Homoka and Paul Bernardo, who kidnapped, tortured, and raped three women before eventually murdering them. I kept these vague because I wanted to watch some of them too, and I didn't want to give away the plots. But next we have Henry, the portrait of a serial killer made in 1986. It was about Henry Lee Lucas, who confessed to over 600 murders. What? What? I had never heard of that either. Most of them turned out to be fraudulent. I but it was a whole thing. Oh, was that the confession killer? It's a Netflix special. I mean, probably. I mean, that's I don't know for sure, but they said that he confessed to over 600 murders, and they were quick to like blame him for it, but a lot of it came out with evidence that it wasn't true. But it seems really interesting. I haven't seen that one either. The next up is Spotlight 2015, based on the Boston Globe news team who brought the Catholic child abuse scandal into the light in 2002. Also sounds interesting as fuck. Next we have The Changeling 2008 about Christine Collins, whose son had gone missing and was reunited with the wrong boy in an attempted cover-up by the LAPD. That's a killer movie, too. Amazing. Angelina Jolie plays, she kills it. Super good.

SPEAKER_06 7:17

It's a good one. I love Angelina Jolie.

SPEAKER_04 7:19

Um the next and last one was The Cleveland Abduction 2015 about Ariel Castro, who abducted and tortured three teenage girls in the early 2000s. I know that story. It's it's a rough one. Yeah, I don't think I've seen the movie though. But that's your Buzzfeed, the article for the day about uh true crime based on true story movies for y'all, because that's all I could find. So you're welcome. You're welcome. Thanks. Thanks. So who do we decide who's going first this week? Me, me, me. Me, me, me. Alright. Daddy Dabby Dabby.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

I had a lot of fun with this one.

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Because I was able to find a case where I could like really get into it and dive in. And I absolutely love and hate this movie. So the movie that I picked is Wolf Creek. Wolf Creek hit the big screen in 2005. A horror film written, co-produced, and directed by Greg McLean, starring John Jarrett, Nathan Phillips, Cassandra McGrath, and Kestie Morassi. The film is grim, gory, suspenseful, and downright terrifying. Now I remember watching this movie when it came out, and to be honest, it gave me nightmares for weeks. Sam. But you know, I'm a sucker for thrills and chills. So, the plot. Two British tourists named Liz Hunter and Christy Earle and a local named Ben Mitchell find themselves mixed up with a deranged psychopath in the Australian Outback. Ben ends up purchasing a beater with a heater for their Australian adventure from Broome to Carens, Queensland, along the Great Northern Highway. They end up making a stop in Wolf Creek National Park. An odd situation arises when they discover that their watches have stopped working and their car will not start. Frustration and at a loss, just after dark, along comes a man named Mick Taylor. He offers to tow them to his camp and repair their vehicle. They then end up at an abandoned mining site several hours south of Wolf Creek. While working on their car, Mick tells stories about his past and offers them water. But it turns out the water was more than just H2O. No. The group one by one fallen conscious. Can I get some Georgia Homeboy? Oh sh I was just gonna say that. From here, it's all just sexual assault, torture, blood, gore, cat and mouse, yada yada yada, you know the drill. It's a great movie if you're into being scared shitless for 99 minutes. I know which movie you're talking about now, and yeah, that's some shit. The budget for this film was$1.4 million, which actually isn't a whole lot. And they raked in$35 million, so it did pretty damn decent. Oh wee. Now let's get to the crime this movie was inspired by. Hold on to your butts. This is wild, y'all. Holding. I didn't. You better hold on. Cause holy fuck. This is actually a very, very famous case in Australia. It's one of like the most prolific serial killers in Australian history. Wow. It's not even that old. Wow. Yeah. So, the real backpack murders. Belangalow State Forest is situated in the Australian state of New South Wales in the Southern Highlands. Nailed it. I did. I literally have it spelt out how it's supposed to be said because I can't be trusted with pronunciations.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Oh fuck. I just I can you say it for me one more time?

SPEAKER_06 10:55

Belangalow.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

Okay, perfect. Okay. Good now.

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The forest takes up around 9,300 acres of land and is a very popular place to hike and run. On September 19th, 1992, two men running the trails in Belangalow State Forest, enjoying the fresh forest air and admiring the tall eucalyptus trees, are stopped dead in their tracks when they smell something familiar yet dreadful. The two poked around the area and near a large boulder they discovered the decomposing body of a woman. Buried under sticks and leaves, they almost mistook the body for a dead animal, if it weren't for a shoe protruding from the pile. The local authorities are shocked at what they discovered, but if it weren't for these two men, the man behind the murders could have done far worse than the atrocities he'd already played out. The following day, two police constables discovered a second body just a hundred feet from the first, covered in the same fashion. It didn't take authorities long to realize the two were most definitely connected. Immediately, the media took to the tube and the papers and made suggestions that the bodies could possibly be that of two backpackers who had been reported missing five months prior. However, police were not jumping the gun to positively identify the two bodies. Forensics is a process that must be followed to an exact measure. Caroline and Joanne, two British tourists, meet at a backpackers hostel in King's Cross and became great friends. They shared a love for traveling and a fascination for Australia. The two had planned a grand adventure that would end in Tasmania. However, they unfortunately didn't make it any further than Balangalow State Forest. Saturday, April 18th, 1992, the two departed Sydney to hitchhike around the country, hitchhiking south on the Hume Highway. They hitched a ride with a man in a four-wheel drive vehicle. At some point on the drive, the man behind the wheel stops the vehicle, steps out, and then pulls a gun. He yells at Caroline and Joanne that this is a robbery. He pulls out some restraining ties and orders Joanne to tie Caroline up. He then ties Joanne's hands.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

Besides your Uber driver that you request to your house at any given moment. Oh you just wait. Except for the strangers that we ask to.

SPEAKER_06 13:19

Literally. Like he then gets back into the vehicle and continues down the highway. He eventually makes a turn onto Balangalow Road, heading deep into the Balangalove State Forest. He orders the two women out of the car and forces them into the brush. The man eventually finds a place in the woods and orders the two women to get on the ground. He attempts to talk to them and tell them that he's not going to hurt them. Unfortunately, this brief chill out period didn't last long. The man then removes Caroline's sloppy joe, which if you did not know what a sloppy joe is.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

Yeah, what is that?

SPEAKER_06 13:56

It's pretty much like a pullover hoodie or sweatshirt. I've never heard that. Me neither, and I absolutely definitely thought she had a sandwich in her hand. Nope, it's a sweatshirt.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

Oh gosh, I love that.

SPEAKER_06 14:08

So he Not my sloppy Joe. So he removes Caroline's sloppy Joe, wrapping around her head, then shoots her point blank in the head, killing her instantly. He then moves to Joanne, gags her, muffling her terrified screams. He then returns to Caroline, repositioning her head, then shooting her again. Jesus. And then again. And he repeats this bizarre act of overkill again and again. Ten times in total.

SPEAKER_04 14:36

So psych psychologically here, I mean this man wasn't like a rapist or anything like that, like his desire was to purely uh okay, I just This maniacal act of violence doesn't end here.

SPEAKER_06 14:47

He then stabs Caroline's body in the back, for no apparent reason. After. After he shot her ten times in the head. Their captor then moves on Joanne, dragging her around a hundred feet away from Caroline. The attacker then jabs Joanne so deeply that the knife penetrated her spinal cord, her lungs, and her heart. He continues to relentlessly stab Joanne well after she had succumbed to her injuries. The man then covered both bodies with sticks, logs, and ground cover, leaving their bodies to rest where he killed them. During the investigation, authorities discovered that Joanne's body still had jewelry on both hands, and the zipper of her jeans was undone, but the top button was still fastened.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

So clearly robbery wasn't what was No robbery, no rape, no get there.

SPEAKER_06 15:39

Okay, sorry. Approximately 14 feet from where Caroline lay, they found six cigarette butts, all from the same brand, as well as twenty-two caliber cartridge casings. October 5th, 1993, Bruce Pryor was out and about walking a trail named the Morris Fire Trail in Belangolo State Forest. He decided to take another trail he'd never been on before, called Clearly's Exit Fire Trail. He hadn't ventured very far before stumbling upon a large bone on the ground. He picked up the bone, thinking it was perhaps a kangaroo bone, but noticed it didn't have the characteristics and seemed rather comparable to his own thigh bone. He was well aware of the bodies found in the forest the previous year, so he was feeling a little unnerved. He put the bone back on the ground and ventured up an incline, looking around, trying to find the rest of what he hoped were roux remains. Now, from what I gathered, kangaroo thigh bones have a very specific kind of end to them that isn't quite like our socket bone. Because they're a hoppy animal. Like the ball and socket?

SPEAKER_04 16:43

They hop.

SPEAKER_06 16:44

They are a hoppy animal.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

They're just so hoppy.

SPEAKER_06 16:49

So on his way back to his rig, he walked through a grassy overgrown area when a white flash caught his attention. As he leaned down, parted the overgrowth of weeds, he saw a human skull staring up at him. Oh my god. Unsure of what to do next, he wrapped the skull up in cloth and headed out of the forest. He neared the entrance, he noticed a vehicle near a small hut that was being used by a local club. He asked a man doing maintenance on the building if he had a phone and called authorities. When police constables arrived, they were shocked that the man had indeed found a skull and asked Bruce to take them to the location where he found it. Two more bodies. During the search, police found a black floppy felt hat near the crude gravesites, which was of huge importance to a missing person's case involving two backpackers, James Gibson and Deborah Everest, both from Victoria, who had been last seen alive december thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine. Their remains were incomplete and scattered over a large area, most likely due to animal activity. However, the bulk of their remains laid under sticks, brush, and leaves, just like the last two. Among the scattered remains, police found a silver chain, a bracelet set with semi-precious stones, and a silver cross. The task force included doctor Chris Griffiths, a forensic odontologist. Using dental records supplied by police, he was able to compare the dental records to one of the skulls found and made a positive match. It was James Gibson. Something peculiar was noted that was oddly similar to the last set of bodies. James's zipper had been undone, but the button to the genes remained fastened.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Why?

SPEAKER_06 18:31

The remains of both victims were carefully removed and transported to the Sydney Morgue for post-mortem examination. After cleaning and reconstructing the skeletal remains, forensic analysis noticed a stab wound penetrating the mid-thoracic spine, slicing upwards through the three vertebrae, splitting the spinal column. Sound familiar? What the fuck, dude? At least seven stab wounds were found on James's body. You guys have to keep in mind that by this time these bodies have decomposed quite a bit, so they're having to rely specifically on like damage to bones. To bones, there could have been more stab wounds in flesh that missed bone.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

Did the skull have the bullet holes in it?

SPEAKER_06 19:15

When the examiners analyzed Deborah's body, they found that she had endured nearly the exact same trauma as James. Twenty-six days later, as the searchers covered the last bit of ground in the allotted area, team leader Sergeant Jeff Trichter led a group into a small clearing. They found some random items, a pair of pink women's jeans, blue and yellow rope, and a twenty-two bullet packet. As they moved further into the clearing, they found more articles such as empty cans and bottles, a piece of wire bent into loops, and spent cartridge casings. At the edge of the clearing, Sergeant Jeff noticed something ominous, a human bone. Not much further, he would also find a human skull. Then there were five five bodies. No shit. Just as before, the rest of the remains laid to rest under the same type of crude grave as the last four. The skull adorned a distinctive purple headband. The clothing found around the scene indicated that this victim also matched with a young missing woman named Simone Schmidtl, a German backpacker. Simone, a young adventurous woman whose friends called her Simmy, was last seen on january twentieth, nineteen ninety one in Liverpool, west of Sydney, hitchhiking southbound. Simmy had quite a bit of experience with travel and backpacking and had traveled quite a bit up right until her death. Upon investigation, forensic pathologists noted that Simmy had been stabbed multiple times in the back and the chest, just like the previous cases, and the signature punctures to the spine. There was no doubt at this point that this was the work of the same monster.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Yeah, that's that's like super oddly specific. Like why the stab in the spinal cord that's that's strange.

SPEAKER_06 21:08

It was suspected that it might possibly have been to incapacitate and paralyze his victims.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

Oh wow. Oh my god, that's just so like you'd have to know, like, do it this way to get this done. Like that's super specific.

SPEAKER_06 21:24

Yeah. Also at this point, authorities released a press release stating that they were now confident that these five bodies would not be the last. December 16th, 1991, German backpackers Gabor Neusbauer and Anja Habshid disappeared from King's Cross planning to hitchhike from Sydney to Darwin. As doctors were just getting started on analyzing Simone's case, they got the call that searchers had found two more. Gabor and Anja's bodies lie under sticks and brush. Gabor was positively identified by dental records given to Dr. Griffiths. Gabor's remains were complete, still dressed, and again, the zipper down, the button fastened. Gabor's mouth contained two gags, one tied across the mouth and the other placed inside the mouth. His hyoid boine his hyoid bone had been broken, which indicated manual strangulation. His skull bore six bullet entry wounds. When Anja's body was carefully examined, authorities noticed right away that something was amiss. Her head and the first two vertebrae were missing. Clean cut, the killer had struck her with a large knife or machete while she knelt on the ground execution style. Oh her head removed from her body with a precise blow, much like a ritual decapitation. The ballistic analysis would conclude that the same weapon used to kill Joanne Walters had been used just two hundred feet away from where Anja and Gabor's bodies lay. Actually, they had found over 90 casings in the area, and the boxes that they came in from the same twenty-two hunting rifle. These shell casings and bullets would eventually help lead investigators to this deranged killer. Wow. It's a creature of habit. Even though the killer killed using various methods, his MO remained the same. Pick up hitchhikers, take them to the forest, kill, then crudely bury their bodies. Though there was no DNA to suggest that he had sexually assaulted his victims, there were odd indications of possible molestation, and it didn't matter, male or female, their zippers down, top button fastened. Most of his victims were found with their arms outstretched above their heads, and their shirts pushed up to their chests and necks. One of the victim's underwear had been removed but never located. Regardless, this man was a sick fuck and he needed to be caught.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

I don't like the button uh the button with the zipper down, like seems like such an odd what are they what do they call that? Like in killers that signature. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

It that's super random Yeah, it is very random. Like there's no logical, like, oh maybe he was blank blank.

SPEAKER_06 24:13

We're gonna back up a little bit. January twenty-fifth, nineteen ninety. Paul Onions, a backpacker, who wanted to see the country, set out on his adventure just outside of Liverpool off the Hume Highway. Paul had never hitchhiked before but decided to test the waters and give it a shot. He was thumb out in the southbound lane. His only possessions were his backpack and camera and several items of clothing. He eventually made his way to a small shopping center, bought himself something to drink, and was approached by a fit, tan, and charming man asking if he needed a lift. Paul accepted the man's offer and climbed into the four by four vehicle. As they rode down the highway, Paul took notice of the man's appearance. He had a long, distinctive mustache and was very well built. The stranger introduced himself as Bill. Said man named Bill was very inquisitive, asking Paul where he was from and if he was meeting anyone at his destination and when he was due back.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

Oh wow. I'm like, can I just say too that, like, did would he talk in an Australian accent?

SPEAKER_06 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

Because I really feel like anybody that talks in an Australian accent, they're automatically charming.

SPEAKER_06 25:21

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

As a tourist, you know, you're like, uh, that's warm and comfy and friendly, you know? It's just it's a good accent to have. But I mean, they were in Australia, so it wasn't anything uh Well, right, but I'm sure like if you're if you're a tourist, you're like, oh, you know. Oh, oh, that's right. Okay, I'm sorry. Oh, this is just like the off the Australian experience, you know, and like this gotta be stupidity. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 25:46

By mid afternoon, Paul noticed that Bill was beginning to act a bit off. He became short, was no longer asking questions, and seemed agitated. He began to feel uneasy, but tried to justify Bill's odd behavior, thinking to himself that this was his first time hitchhiking and maybe he was just overthinking things. Shortly after Bill went to adjust the radio and said, I think I'll pull over and grab some tapes from the back. As they pulled to the side of the highway, Paul noticed that the center console had a bunch of tapes sitting right there in between the seats. Red flag, red flag. Paul exited the vehicle. At the same time, Bill stepped out. Bill quickly shouted, Get back in the car. Frightened, Paul got back in the vehicle. As Bill climbed back into the vehicle, he reached under his seat and brandished a pistol, pointing it at Paul.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Run! Trust your gut, run.

SPEAKER_06 26:39

This is a robbery, he screamed. Paul tried to talk him down as he reached under the seat to grab a coil of rope. Paul quickly grabbed the door handle and exited the four by four. The chase was on. Bill tackled Paul, but Paul was able to free himself several times and ran towards oncoming traffic. Paul was able to stop a vehicle and jumped in. But woman driving the vehicle, frightened and confused, quickly turned the vehicle around, driving away as Bill stood there with his gun in hand. Paul did make a police report. However, the police didn't put much stock into the incident, thinking it was just a one-off attempted robbery gone wrong.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

Oh, you're joking, just because that lasts like this is a robbery.

SPEAKER_06 27:21

While investigations were still underway, calls began to pour into the police station. A few of these calls struck some interest in police investigators. One call was from a woman who claimed her boyfriend worked with a man who she thought might be worth checking out. He lived near the forest, he drove a four by four, and he owned a lot of guns. His name was Ivan Millot. Authorities began looking into Ivan Millot, and found that he had quite a pest. He once was arrested for the rape and kidnapping of two young women who were hitchhiking from Liverpool to Melbourne. The case was terminated when the prosecution could not definitively prove that he had done such horrors. Ivan also knew the forest. He knew it very well, in fact. He didn't live not but twenty miles away from it. Investigators were pretty hung up in an attempt to track down the firearm and ammunition used in the murders. They eventually found where the ammunition had been purchased from and to whom. As they leaned into Ivan Mullat, they uncovered his time sheets from work and found that he had not been working on any of the days that the backpackers had gone missing. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_06 28:29

They also were able to track down his four by four, which Ivan had sold two months after Caroline and Joanne's bodies had been found. Oh weird, I wonder why. Under the driver's seat, they found a bullet that matched the twenty-two caliber bullets consistent with the empty bullet boxes at the crime scene. We have check your card. Donna Perry Jesus Christ's 22 caliber bullet right underneath the floor mat. Robert Yates is the same way, yeah. Authorities needed to tie all of this evidence together. Eventually, after going over the case numerous times and sifting through boxes and boxes of data, they came across a note referencing Paul Onion's call to the police station. Paul's account of this incident with this Bill character checked a lot of boxes. Backpacker, hitchhiker, gun, rope. It sounded all too familiar. This may be the connection that they needed to wrap things up. As they continued to sort through data, documents, and evidence, they double checked Ivan's work records and found that he had been working in the Galston Gorge area at the time a James Gibson's backpack and camera had been found. Coincidence? I don't think so. I think not. Paul Onions was eventually brought in to watch a video lineup. He was able to positively identify his assailant. It was Ivan Millot. Police were able to make an arrest on Ivan on charges of assault against Paul, which opened a huge gaping hole into Ivan's activities. During searches of Ivan's home, investigators found numerous items that belonged to the list of deceased backpackers, including their backpacks, sleeping bags, tents, clothing that he had given to his family members and girlfriend. Oh literally thrifting out their goods. There are pictures of if I remember correctly, the girlfriend wearing one of the backpackers' shirts.

SPEAKER_04 30:23

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_06 30:25

That's sick. All identical items the backpackers were seen with or known to have at the time of their disappearances. They also found a postcard addressed to Bill. When asked if he was ever known by the name Bill, Ivan said it must have been a mistake. Sure. Investigators also found a 12-inch Bowie style knife. In the same room, they discovered an owner's manual for a Ruger 22 caliber rifle. They eventually found the dismantled rifle inside the wall of the home, as well as a silencer wrapped up in one of the victim's sleeping bags. He's a crafty one, isn't he? The evidence was overwhelming. Ivan Millot murdered seven people in cold blood. He was convicted and sentenced to seven life sentences. However, on October 27, 2019, he was found unresponsive in his jail cell. His body, riddled with cancer, took him before he could fulfill his sentence. Karma. One last little tidbit. Holy shit. That's too many. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Ow, for their mother's vagina. That's bad.

SPEAKER_06 31:48

And uh according to all of the documentaries that I watched and the book that I read and all the other things, like most of his brothers were pretty much troublemakers. Uh Boris was uh he does not really fit in with the rest of the family. He is pretty much estranged from them. But Boris, Ivan's brother, stated, If Ivan's done these murders, I reckon he's done a hell of a lot more. Damn. And that's my case. Ivan Millot, the real McTaylor. My sources were crime library.com, murderpedia.com, CIA Crime Investigation, Australia, Ivan Millot, The Backpacker Murders, episode number four, and Ivan Millot, The Last Ride, written by Patrick Bellamy. Yeah. I'm really proud of that one.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

That was very nicely done. Yeah, very nicely done. Thank you. Yay.

SPEAKER_06 32:47

Also, look what happens when you don't wait till the last one. I know. Fucking horrific. Like now that I know the story behind that movie, like I almost watched the movie again. I've I've seen it multiple times. But I almost watched it again, and now I'm just kind of like, I don't I don't know if I want to watch it again now.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Sorry, my shitty brain after I said after I said I think not.

SPEAKER_06 33:11

And I the movie is a huge embellishment on this story. But I mean if you just now the movie just makes me feel uncomfortable thinking that So was it based on true events or was it inspired by true events? Mostly inspired.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

Inspired, because the backpackers that he killed in the movie weren't named.

SPEAKER_06 33:32

But there are a lot of parallels. Gotcha. It's like oh no, I'm not gonna mention that because I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but I mean that it's not a like a new new movie. Most people of Party Arc seen it. Right. But there is a scene that involves they found remember how they found a cross, a silver cross with one of the bodies in the real investigation. One of the people in the movie was n nailed to a cross. So like there are like a lot of very close ties, tie in, so but yeah, if you have not seen it, Brittany.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

I have not seen it, so I we might have to watch that when you come visit.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Okay, yeah, that that sounds cool. And I have information for the listeners at home if you want to watch this movie. It is not available on any streaming service, but you can rent it on Amazon Prime Video for$2.99 and get it for 48 hours for your viewing pleasure. And if not that, then you're gonna pay a lot more on the other streaming services.

SPEAKER_06 34:27

Susie, Amazon is not paying us.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Yeah, wait for that check. But they might someday. You're welcome. Oh fuck it, Bezos. Just give me three seconds of your money.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

Like, not even three seconds. Not even three seconds.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

I'll take a millisecond.

SPEAKER_06 34:43

Not even a millisecond. Fuck. Well, Lordy. Brittany.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

It is your turn. I got a doozy for it. Yeah, I'm excited. Alright. So the 90s brought us a lot of iconic trends and moments. Beanie babies, boy bands, BSB for life, the Macarena.

SPEAKER_06 35:11

In sync.

SPEAKER_04 35:12

I was gonna say the same thing. I'm like, uh-uh. Justin Timberlake, that's my boy.

SPEAKER_06 35:17

Although Brian was really hot, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Oh, did I tell you the story? Okay, there's a story about that. Brian was my favorite. I'll give you that tidbit later. Anyways, um cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Stay tuned to the end of this episode. I'll try to try to drunkly remind her at the end of this episode what she means. No promises.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Um, so yeah, Beanie Babies, Boy Bands, The Macarena, Butterfly Clips, and a slew of teen slasher flicks, like the faculty. I know what you did last summer, the craft. That's my favorite. I know. And most notably, Scream. Scream follows a group of teenagers as they navigate a time that's terrorized by a knife-wielding maniac who is offing their classmates left and right. While the events in Scream aren't significantly based on any killings, Kevin Williamson was driven to pen the screenplay for it after watching a uh TV program about Danny Rowling, also known as the Gainesville Ripper. Danny Rowling was born May 26, 1954, in Shreveport, Louisiana. His parents were 19-year-old Claudia Rowling and his father, James Rowling, who was a police officer and a war veteran. Uh, James made it very clear to Danny from a young age that he was completely unwanted. James never wanted children, and he was extremely abusive to Danny, his mother, and his brother Kevin. At first, it was just verbal abuse, like to the boys, but as they got older, it became physical. Um just a couple little like solid points on Mr. James. Uh, at one point, Claudia went to the hospital after claiming that James tried to force her to cut herself with a razor. Oh, wanted more details on that, couldn't find him. And then uh one time as a form of discipline, Danny's father pinned him to the ground, handcuffed him, and had him taken away by police because he was quote unquote embarrassed by him. So and the police obliged to that. Well, he is a police officer. God damn it. Yeah, yeah. So James really gave Danny like a real solid start on life. Um, bright future ahead. No childhood trauma whatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 37:43

Can't blame it on the other hand. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Nah. So as an early teen, Danny found comfort in art and music. And it was also at this time that he developed another coping mechanism, which was multiple personalities. Dissociative identity disorder, previously called multiple personality disorder, is a disorder characterized by the presence of two or more distinct personality states and is usually a reaction to trauma as a way to help a person avoid bad memories. And each personality may have a unique name, personal history, and characteristics. So he also, during his teens, had several failed suicide attempts. In the early 70s, he joined the Air Force, but was soon kicked out due to drug possession. He moved in with his grandfather and eventually met and married Omather Hacklow, and the two had a daughter. She divorced him a few years later after he fell into his father's abusive footsteps. After the divorce, he found thrills in robbery and voyeurism, which would later uh play a part in his savage attacks. And he was arrested in 1979 after raping a woman who resembled his ex-wife. Oh. He spent yeah, super rad. He spent most of the 80s in and out of jail. And when he wasn't in jail, he would just travel around the US robbing and raping people along the way. In 1989, he was back in Shreve Court, and after being fired from his job at a restaurant, he took the lives of his first victims. But I'm just gonna have you put a bookmark in that, and we will come back to that part later. So we're gonna jump to May of 1990. Rowling got into the last argument he would ever have with his father, except this time he ended it by pulling out a gun and shot James in the head and stomach. James survived the shooting, but he lost the use of an eye and an ear. Oh my. Yeah, so that's one way to end a fight with your dad. After this fight, Danny fled to Kansas and eventually to Florida, where he settled in Gainesville and began his horrific and deadly three-day spree. Are you guys ready? Yes. No, I guess trigger warning right now. There is a lot of rape and gory uh details to these. So trigger warning, trigger warning, rape, gory details. Alrighty, here we go. In the early hours of August 24th, 1990, Danny left the campsite he had set up in a wooded area behind the University of Florida and broke into the apartment of 18-year-old Sonia Larson and 17-year-old Christina Powell.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

No, I hate it. Well they were young.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

I just I knew her ADP fucking kills me. I know. Sonia or uh Christina was only 17. Both were freshmen at the university, and this was in August, so like the fall semester was just about to start. Yeah. They had just moved into this apartment together. So he broke in, he was armed with a screwdriver, duct tape, a nine millimeter pistol, and a military knife that uh later he had said that he had just recently purchased that for$34 because he thought that it would be a good killing weapon. Christina Powell was asleep on a couch downstairs. He briefly stood over Christina, but he didn't wake her up. He just kind of looked at her for a little bit. What? Then he made his way upstairs to where Sonia was asleep in her bed. Jurors were told in court that he then paused for a moment while he decided which of the two women he wanted to rape. Oh. He Yeah. So uh he made his decision. He stabbed Sonia first in the upper chest area. When she awoke and proceeded to try to fight off her attacker, he put a double strip of duct tape over her mouth and continued to stab her in her arms and thigh as she still tried to fight him off.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

What a sick fuck. Like that's just for like damage. That's not even to like end it. It's just literally to inflict damage. Like that that's uh that's fucked up, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

So she maintained consciousness for less than a minute before she died from the attack. Danny made his way downstairs to where Christina was still asleep. She didn't hear anything or wake up. He put a piece of duct tape over her mouth, taped her hands behind her back, and then proceeded to cut off her clothing and undergarment and brutally rape her at knife point. After the attack, he forced her to lie down face to the floor and uttered, Take the pain, bitch, take the pain, as he stabbed her five times in the back, killing her.

SPEAKER_06 42:14

Sweet baby Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

Oh what a horrible way to wake up. After her death, he sliced off her nipples, ate an apple and banana from the girl's fridge. Oh my god. They uh I read that Sonia, who was upstairs in a bed, he pulled her to the edge of the bed so that her feet were on the floor and like spread her legs and then like put her arms above her head as she laid down. And that it was a similar position for Christina, but she was next to the couch.

SPEAKER_06 42:48

Why is that such a thing?

SPEAKER_03 42:51

It's to add shock value to whoever is finding the it's like a poke poke, like fuck you guys. Not only are you finding this, but it's like more shocking. That is fucking disgusting.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

Alright. I just gotta chill.

SPEAKER_06 43:11

That's fucking going.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

That's gross. Stay buckled up. Less than 48 hours later, on the evening of August 25th, 1990, Danny broke into the apartment of 18-year-old Krista Hoyt by prying open her sliding glass door with a screwdriver. Krista was a student at the nearby Santa Fe Community College and worked as a dispatcher with the county sheriff's office. And her apartment was only about two miles away from the first murder scene. Rowling had uh watched Krista through her bedroom window a few days prior. There goes that voyeurism part. When he got into the apartment, he discovered that she wasn't home, and so he decided that he would wait for her to get back. Oh no. She did not get home until 11 a.m. the next morning, and he was still there waiting. What? Yeah. Oh, patient fuck. So Danny attacked her from behind, put her in a chokehold, and although she tried to fight him off, he got duct tape over her mouth, tied her hands behind her back, and led her to her bedroom, forced her onto the bed, he cut her clothes off and raped her. Just like Christina, he forced her to roll onto her stomach, and then he proceeded to stab her through her back, rupting her aorta and killing her. He then went back to his campsite. However, once he got back to the campsite, he realized that he may have left his wallet behind. You're joking. So he went back to Krista's apartment for his wallet. And instead of just getting his fucking wallet and leaving, he decided that he wanted to fuck with the police even more and left behind the most grisly scene that any of the responding officers had ever seen. Danny used his knife to slice off Krista's nipples, disemboweled her with an 11-inch by five-inch incision in her torso. He also used that knife to decapitate her deceased body. He then posed her body on the edge of her bed, sitting up with her feet on the floor and her hands on her thighs. He then put her decapitated head on a bookshelf that was directly across from her and positioned the head to be looking back at her decapitated body.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

No whoa. No. Whoa. You're not kidding. I don't even know how you even begin to think like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

Oh, excuse the fuck out of me.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

Yeah. Uh what? It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_05 45:53

Wow, Brittany.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

See, and I just want to say right now that I did not know that Scream was based on true events. I had no idea. I thought that was just something that somebody thought up in the 90s because like there was so much pump up to the 90s.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Inspired. Inspired by true events. But yeah, no, I uh I I didn't know until like a few years ago. And Scream was always like one of my favorites. And so um and I remember hearing about this Krista's crime scene, like before in some other, you know, hearing about true crime. And I didn't realize that it was this killer until I was doing my research. But I remember hearing about that crime scene, and that definitely stuck with me, much like I'm sure it'll stick with you because it's awful and horrifying.

SPEAKER_06 46:40

That song disgusting. I listened to a lot of true crime, as y'all know, and that is a that's a really gross cherry on top of a really nasty pie.

SPEAKER_04 46:51

That's like right up there with Scotty's fucking torture terrorist.

SPEAKER_06 46:54

Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Pretty bad. At this point, news had traveled fast about the murders, and University of Florida students were obviously in a panic. They were arming themselves to be ready for defense. They were getting mace and you know, keeping clubs and bats by their beds. Um, some of them, since the semester hadn't even started yet, some of them like uh withdrew their enrollments up and moved.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

I would do the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

I'd be like, nope, nope, yeah, not me. It's a hard fucking pass. So around 3 a.m. on August 27th, which was just a little over a day after Krista's murder, rolling once again broke into an apartment of University of Florida students. This time it was Tracy Paul's and Manuel Tabwata. Tabwata. I had to look, I looked that one up, uh, who were both 23 and roommates at the time. It's assumed that his target was Tracy because she was a female like the others. However, the first bedroom he went into is Manuel's. Deciding that manual will probably be an obstacle when he's trying to get to Tracy. Danny stabbed Manny in the solar plexus, which I looked that up, and that's a spot between the chest and the belly button, which woke Manny up. So he got woken up by being stabbed in his tummy. He briefly struggled with Danny, but was subdued and stabbed almost 30 times in the arms, hands, chest, legs, and face, which clearly eventually killed him.

SPEAKER_04 48:27

And she didn't wake up during this whole trif like stabbing.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

She she did. Oh. So Tracy hurt they were roommates. They weren't a couple, so they were in separate bedrooms. So Tracy heard the struggle from her bedroom, started walking down the hall to Manuel's bedroom, you know, to see what the fuck was going on.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

Run!

SPEAKER_03 48:47

Yeah. Well, once she saw Danny, she ran back to her room and tried to lock herself in there. But Danny, covered in Manuel's blood, broke through the door and attacked Tracy. He once again found her and covered her mouth with duct tape. He then cut off her clothing, raped her, turned her over, stabbed her three times in the back. After she was dead, he posed her body similarly to how Sonia and Christina's were posed and left the apartment. He didn't pose Manuel's body, which just further shows that his targets were only the women. I was just gonna ask that. Did he pose the man? Nope.

SPEAKER_04 49:23

He just left him wherever he crumpled and uh stabilize. So like he could have just like killed him and been done with it, but he like had to do it. No.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Over 30 stabs. That's so many. So after these murders were all found, the police were stumped, with the exception of Manuel. All the victims had similarities. They were all petite Caucasian brunettes. They were all attacked and killed in a similar pattern. Their bodies had all been cleaned with vinegar and posed. He cleaned them before he posed it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:57

What's the point of that? Why like why though? As civic? Maybe to make a prettier picture? Like he wanted to clean the blood off of them and then pose them?

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Because he left the, I mean, the scene, you know, the the linens and everything around him. He didn't clean the blood up from there. He just would wipe down the bodies and clean off the blood.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

On his own vinegar, like dude's packing fucking apple cider in his pocket? Like, what is the deal here?

SPEAKER_03 50:20

I'd imagine so. I actually never said if they found that. Strange. That's strange. Yeah. Uh so the forced entry markings on all three locations also seem to have been caused by a similar tool. So even though they had all these like similarities between all the victims, they still didn't immediately have any obvious subsuspects. Okay, so they had found some of the killer's DNA at a few of the scenes. There was like some semen at one. Uh there, I think there was blood at another one. But with testing, they were able to determine that their suspect was a secretor, which a secretor is an individual of blood group A, B, or AB who secretes the antigens characteristic of these blood groups in bodily fluids, such as saliva. If you're not a secretor, you can't get your blood type from your like saliva and stuff. It would have to just be taken by blood.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

Really?

SPEAKER_03 51:17

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

And then so there's only like two types that are secretors, A and B. So A A, B, and then A B. And is that positive or negative too?

SPEAKER_03 51:27

It's just A B. I I think so. That yeah, I think it's just positive or negative. That's such a look at that. I've never even heard of that before. I'd heard the term before in like other cases, but I was never really sure what it was. So I looked it up, and yeah, that's what a secretor, a secretor is, and we're not all secretive.

SPEAKER_06 51:46

I just learned that I really don't like that word.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

I was just thinking the same thing. That's disgusting. And they determined that his blood type was B. So they received some tips and identified two suspects. One of the suspects was Edward Humphrey, who was a University of Florida student. He had previously lived in the same complex as two of the victims, and he had a history of mental illness and erotic behavior. At one point, getting arrested for hitting his grandma. Oh. His face at this time was badly scratched and bruised and kind of fucked up from a car accident that he had recently been in. Sure. However, his blood type did not match that of the killer. So he was let go without being investigated any further. And eventually he was publicly cleared of all the charges.

SPEAKER_04 52:31

Take back my shirt. Then poor Humphrey. I'm sorry for about the car accident. I was thinking I was thinking defensive wounds. I'm like, yeah, you motherfucker, you're lying, but no.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Well, yeah, it was like perfect, you know, like it looked totally. Uh the other suspect, they didn't I didn't find anything about who it was, but he was also later cleared. So at this point, the cops were totally stumped as far as who could have been doing this. The task force that was assigned to the case started looking through databases, databases, databases. I think it goes both ways. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

Database sounds better than database, I think. I think it's a database.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

Okay. One of those people. It's a base of data. They started going through the base of data to see if they could find any other crimes that had similarities to the string of murders in Gainesville. So remember how I told you to put a bookmark at Shreveport, Louisiana, 1989? Mm-hmm. Yep. Police found a cold case from November 4th, 1989. It was a triple murder case in Shreveport. 55-year-old Tom Grissom, his daughter, 24-year-old Julie, and his eight-year-old grandson Sean had all been attacked and murdered in their home. Eight? After the murders, the attacker mutilated, cleaned, and posed Julie's body.

SPEAKER_06 53:58

The vinegar?

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Yes. While looking at photos of the crime scene, one of the agents noticed a bite mark on Julie's left breast. Oh, that's able to That's new. Sorry. Yeah, well, he was able to get a well-preserved saliva sample that was in the evidence box for that case. So he saw that bite mark. He saw the bite mark and he was able to get a well-preserved saliva sample that was in the evidence box for the case. It was tested and it was found to be a B blood type. So they obviously immediately linked the two cases. Bingo. Yep. So after uh shortly after their discovery in Shreveport, which was in it was around like November 1990, Crime Stoppers received a call from Cindy. This is the one last name I didn't look up today. Jura Juracich. Crushed it. Thanks, who had who had met Danny like years before at her Louisiana hometown church. And she and her then husband used to spend evenings with Danny. And that was around the time that those murders, that those three murders happened.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

Wait, wait, wait. For cinematic uh relevance here, is that the same Cindy in the movie?

SPEAKER_03 55:13

No.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

No.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Oh. No. There's no no there's no. Weird.

SPEAKER_04 55:18

Weird.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

And it's Sydney in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

I thought you said it was Cindy. Sydney. Oh, I said Sid okay. Well, never mind that I thought Nancy was Cindy and it's not Sydney, it's Sydney. I okay, okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

So Cindy and her then husband used to spend evenings with Danny, and this was during the time of that family being murdered. He'd often go to their house for dinners until one night when her husband came to her and said, He's got to go. And he went on to tell her that Danny had said something along the lines of, like, he has a problem and he likes to stick knives into people. So they didn't take him seriously because they thought, I mean, like, it probably spooked them a little bit, but Cindy didn't take that really seriously because she thought she knew Danny. She had hung out with him. Yeah. Exactly. But then after she had seen a news story on the Gainesville murders, something just like didn't sit well with her, and she decided to call Crime Stoppers and give them this tip. So she gave the police his name and they now kind of knew who they were looking for. So police actually didn't have to look far. Danny had been arrested on September 7th, 1990, after he robbed a grocery store at gunpoint in a neighboring town. So there were like mixed reports from what I read. Some said that he willingly gave the police a saliva sample, and then others say that they got his DNA from an extracted tooth. So I don't know which one it was. But either way, they tested the DNA, and it was an absolute exact match to the DNA found at all of the crime scenes. So they had found their boy. Yep. So after they kind of dug into his past and they found out that he had multiple convictions for armed robbery, they decided to look at an evidence locker connected to a bank robbery that had happened on the same day that Krista Hoyt's body was found. It was all evidence that they had found at the little campsite that he had set up, but he wasn't there at the time. Just they found the campsite, found all this stuff, linked it to a robbery. So they, in the evidence locker, it was a gun, a screwdriver, a bag of money, uh, and a cassette player that included recordings of Danny singing songs that alluded to the crimes that he had committed. Yik in general was an audio diary from him.

SPEAKER_04 57:50

Was he pursuing a local rap career while he was at it?

SPEAKER_03 57:54

Apparently, about them murders. So they also found tools that were eventually found to be those that he used to breed.

SPEAKER_04 58:01

I'm sorry, I was gonna say, you know what that leads to? Bars. Spitting bars. And going behind bars. Oh. Sorry, horrible, horrible. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_05 58:15

Susie, that was a terrible dog dad joke.

unknown 58:17

I know.

SPEAKER_04 58:18

That was dog dad's dog dad joke. Somebody had to do it, and it wasn't Gavin. Okay, I stepped up to the bush.

SPEAKER_03 58:26

So they also found tools that were eventually found to be those he used to break into the homes of his victims. On November 15th, 1991, Rowling was indicted for the serial murders. He was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, three counts of sexual battery, and three counts of armed burglary of a dwelling with a battery. On June 9th, 1992, he pleaded not guilty to all counts. However, on February 15th, 1994, the day that the trial was set to begin, he changed his plea to guilty on all counts. As one of the people that gave an interview said that he probably did that because he didn't want to sit and listen to all of his crimes laid out in front of him. Because apparently he could do them, but too much of a pussy to have to sit there and listen to it.

SPEAKER_04 59:16

We're talking the same man that wiped women down vinegar and laid them out and was on the city.

SPEAKER_06 59:21

And went back to the crime scene, chopped off a woman's head and put it on a bookshelf, staring at her on the plot.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

And it weren't yeah, he didn't want to hear about that part. No. Were nipples found at the scene, or did he keep them like Ed Gyne? Uh, I'm not sure. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

They were sliced off. I'm not sure. Belt somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

A bit on it.

SPEAKER_04 59:41

No, there is Ed Dean made a belt. A belt with his gun. He did. It was a real thing. It's real nipple belt. Ed Gin. Gain. Oh, I thought it was gun.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Now I feel stupid. Gin. So the case was moved to the penalty phase of the prosecution to see what he would be sentenced to. During this trial, jurors heard firsthand from Danny's mother who discussed the abuse that he received as a child, and from a psychiatrist who said Rowling had been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and paraphilia. If you don't know what paraphilia is, like I didn't, paraphilias are frequent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies or behaviors that involve inanimate objects, children or non-consenting adults, or suffering or humiliation of oneself or the partner.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:33

That's very broad.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Seems wild to me that sexual arousal from an inanimate object is somehow clumped into sexual arousal by a child or minor capacitated adult. Like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

I don't think don't either. Way too broad of a topic to even be pulled in to itself. Yeah, it's not not okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:55

Those should all be classified as like individual philiaphs. So what I'm thinking is that paraphilia is kind of like a like umbrella, and then under there there's pedophilia, necrophilia, different ones. But he just generally was like, yeah, just said to have paraphilia. So it was very broad the way that they said it for him, but that's kind of what I'm thinking is what it means. So they also described an alternate personality named Gemini, who supposedly which made me laugh because it reminded me of our first episode. I for I think it was uh Susie, you're gonna on the first episode. I think yeah, it said like you should have a shirt like that. Said, like, can't blame me, I'm a Gemini or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

Poor Gemini. I guess that's a bad rap. I know. So he uh had this alternate personality named Gemini, who supposedly drove Danny to commit these crimes. So the defense tried to use these diagnoses. No, that was crazy and it's diagnosis. Like as an insanity defense. However, it didn't fucking work. And the motherfucker was found guilty of first degree murder on all five accounts and was sentenced to death on April 20th, 1994. Whoop. When did he die? So I took this last little clip, uh, or shh, whatever, you know, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:24

That sounds weird, but sentenced to death and when they die is years of a difference. If you don't know that by now, it's literally years and years of a difference. Sometimes decades. They sit there and they die of other like sometimes they die of cancer. Okay, so bringing it back home, Joseph Duncan, he that guy that killed the younger brother and abducted the daughter or whatever, that was a thing that happened in Northern Arrow. It was a real fucking thing. And it was a real fucking thing. Yeah, obviously it was a real thing. It was just recently he died, and it wasn't because of the death sentence, he died of other causes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:02

Like people have causes decades and because they sit and wait so I got this last bit from an article, uh, just because it was I would have rewritten it basically the same way, so I sh I'll give credit. So shortly before he was executed in Florida for the series of killings in Gainesville, Rowling claimed responsibility for the Shreveport murders, handing his spiritual advisor, Reverend Mike Hudspeth, and Florida police a handwritten confession and apology. Rowling had a last meal of lobster tail. He sang a gospel hymn, but made no statement immediately before his execution, which was witnessed by many of his victim's relatives. Rowling was executed by lethal injection at Florida State Prison on October 25th, 2006. After the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a last-ditch appeal, he was pronounced dead at 6.13 p.m.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

How many years was that from when he was sentenced to death?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

Can you twelve years? See. Yeah, 1994 to 2006. See, that's what I'm talking about. How is this awful crime spree the inspiration for Scream? The screenwriter, as I said, Kevin Williamson, was watching a special on the Gainesville River when he noticed her window in the home that he was house-sitting was open. He got paranoid that a similar monster could easily slip through the window and attack him. But he was quickly inspired to pen the screenplay for what would become one of the most iconic franchises in horror film history. You can also note that, like Danny Rowlings, Ghostface went on a spree that took the lives of unsuspecting young people, most of whom were stabbed, and some of them were left in horrific and memorable positions. Danny Rowling.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:01

If you've never watched Scream before, you can stream it with your HBO Max subscription. And if not, it is available for rent on Voodoo, Amazon Prime, iTunes, Apple TV, Google Play, and Movie TV for money.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:17

For money, Dr.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:20

But you if you have HBO Max, you're in luck because you can watch it right now for free.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:24

We will be expecting all those checks.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:27

Yes. I'm just I would want to know. I would want to know how to watch it. Because I haven't seen that shit in years. I was actually thinking like I should go back and watch now because I haven't seen it since I was like 13, maybe younger.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:40

I'm not gonna lie, this is probably my favorite episode so far.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:44

Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:45

I literally liked it. It was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

As the overhead lights turn on in the theater, we are seriously turned off. We hope you enjoyed this cinematic adventure into true crime and hope. That we didn't ruin your favorite childhood horror flick. Don't want to ruin those childhood memories. On that note, next week we put killer kids under the spotlight.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:11

We try our absolute best to make sure we raise our children to be well-adjusted, kind, loving human beings. But sometimes, evil is born, not raised. Also, if you like what you hear, please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. It's the easiest way you can help us top the charts and show your love for the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:32

Also, if you're itching for extra content, please hop on over to our Patreon and subscribe to get access to sidecar episodes like Pillow Talk, ridiculous photos from our recordings, and here soon, full video episodes from start to finish, you get all the shenanigans unedited. If you like us, you'll love it. If you don't, you might not, but they're funny as fuck. So let's all just start doing my makeup again.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:00

Ah, I know, me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

If you have a case that you're just dying to hear, check out our website at nightcaptrucrime.com and click on the annoy us button.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:14

See y'all next week. K bye. Bye. We love you.

unknown 1:07:23

I love you.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:25

Britney, wasn't there something you were going to tell us about?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:28

Oh shit, there was.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:29

I was so serious. I've been holding on to that little bean this whole time.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

Okay. All right. Let me try to say it quickly. Okay, so I love slash, I loved, slash, love the Backstreet Boys, and Brian Latrell was my favorite. And in like 2002, Brian and his wife Leanne started a production company called Brilee Productions. And little uh, however old I was, Brittany, saw that on TV and loved the name Briley. And I was like, my first daughter, I'm gonna name her Briley. I'm gonna say, wait a second, wait a second. So in 2005, little witty fitty 19-year-old Brittany had a daughter and named her Briley. But it wasn't that I was like, oh my God, I want a backstreet boy's name. It was just I really liked the name. So several years later, 15 years later, my amazing child is discovering who they are, decided that they wanted to start going by the name Lee. And they knew that I was gonna have a hard time with that because Briley was such a significant name for me. And so it was a little bit difficult. But then an article popped up on my on my Facebook saying something about like one of the Backstreet Boys members was found to be a member of QAnon and a crazy Trump supporter. Who was it? Right. Oh shit. So I was like, well, Briley lost its oomph.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:03

So girl, I saw that coming from a hundred thousand miles away when he left the Backstreet Boys and he started singing Christian music. I was like, Oh yeah, god damn it. Uh-oh. He's always been so, you know, super because man, I said you what little pubescent of Gabby and his hormones had quite the crush on him, but uh GT all the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:33

Just number like boy, bye boy, and think all the way. Alright, we'll talk about this later. Well, Britney, Backstreet's gonna be back. Alright. Woo! That's my story. Also, it's gonna be May. It is gonna be May. Pretty soon, couple of weeks. It's gonna be May. Okay. That's we need to end this. We're done. We're done here. We're done. Walk and die.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:04

How is it already almost midnight again?