Run the World (Vox Regium: Messy Royals, Episode 1)

SEASON 3 IS HERE!!!

Join Kyra and Emily for their season 3 opener and their first episode arc: messy royals. Royalty is a messy business, but someone's got to do it. Listen to Emily walk Kyra through three women who ruled — literally and figuratively. Whether it was planning their husband's demise or avoiding death, these women pulled it off.

This language contains strong language.

Credits
Hosts: Emily Kearney-Williams and Kyra Seegmiller
Theme song by Mixkit
Additional sounds provided by DJL Projects

Transcript

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Emily: [00:00:00] Oh man, it stopped me typing. Oh, it did? I'm sorry. No, no, no. It's fine. I forgive you. Thanks. But just this once. Okay. Just this. Yeah, I know I, and you're 

Kyra: on thin ice . I know. I try ice skating on that ice. Would you say that the 

Emily: ice we skate is. It's getting pretty thin. The ice we skate, getting pretty thin.

Hello and welcome to stuff I didn't write my dissertation on. I'm your lovely host, Emily, and that's your local Dracula impersonator ky. Welcome . 

Kyra: Yes. Are you all debated? 

Emily: Hissing, but I was like, would've killed me. 

Kyra: This is now a [00:01:00] hissing podcast. Okay. This is how season three is good to start 

Emily: with Season three.

Season three.

Kyra: Okay. Okay. Anyway. We're starting arcs this week, and this first arc is all about hissing. Just kidding. It's an not, it's really odd. It's not. No more. No more. Okay, we're done. Uh, based on the title, you probably saw the title Vox Regium Royal Voice or Voice of the King. That's what we're gonna be covering for the next few episodes.

So for this episode, royalty is a fairly messy business. I mean, look at Prince Harry's autobiography that just came up. Being a royal is not a piece of cake and. Going a little bit, and by a bit, I mean a lot before Prince Harry. You know, sometimes you had political backstabbing, you had twos, you had people who were deemed unfit to roll [00:02:00] solely based on their gender.

So all in all, it was a very messy thing, hence the messy Royals subject. So today, Emily and I, mostly Emily, we're gonna take a deep dive into one aspect. It's kinda a messy royalty, which is women who are deemed unfit to rule because they were women. And how did they get past that? Did they fight their way to the top and could these women be viewed as the OG girl boss

Emily: I don't, I don't like the term girl boss, but I mean either. I really don't like it. I just used it because he was kind of funny in. Context of it being ironic, I guess. I dunno. Yeah, no, 

Kyra: I, I'm glad we view it 

Emily: the same way. But like if Captain the Great was like hashtag girl boss . 

Kyra: Oh my god. Could you picture, oh she was just like, Hey 

Emily: guys, like, might overthrow the government, might not dunno.

Kyra: [00:03:00] Oh, felt, felt cute. Might overthrow the government 

Emily: later. Yes. Yes. Okay, so, um, I, let's talk about her. I wouldn't say, okay. I'm not when to comment on the beauty standards of the time, I guess, but she seems really normal. Like I wouldn't call her a great beauty. I don't know. That feels rude. A 

Kyra: raving like, like Helen of Troy, where people go to war for her beauty.

She's not the one, people aren't going to war for her beauty. They're just going to war cuz she's a boss ass. Bitty . Yes. 

Emily: Okay. Yeah, tell me, uh, tell me about her. Okay. Yeah. So, um, Katherine, the great of Russia, so she married Prince Peter. So, uh, [00:04:00] as a political marriage, she married Peter iii, who was at the time of Prince, and he was heir to the throne of Russia.

This is kind of mid 17 hundreds for context. At first, he seemed cool, but he sucked. Like he was not a nice person. What 

Kyra: Well, okay. Wait, what makes him not nice? And we're doing not the great, the show, the great we're doing like 

Emily: the legit theater. No, he legitimately sucked. . Okay. So, yeah, so for context I had, I did not know that much.

Catherine before watching the Hulu show, the Great, which I thought was really good. Kyra has different opinions. Um, we can get [00:05:00] into that a little bit later. But, um, so I had no idea about and like her whole story, and so I looked it up after watching the show because the show is based on her story. But of course, You know, dramatized.

Peter really was not a nice guy. He was, I think he was really obsessed with the military in that he would ignore Catherine or make her play, um, like military dolls with him to run drills. So he would often. Make her run like military drills with him using like dolls and stuff. He also was a cheater. He was an abusive drunk.

He like openly flaunted his cheating too. So just really rude. Overall. Not a good guy because we are a team. [00:06:00] Catherine . I was gonna say, 

Kyra: the military appeals didn't sound like that bad. And then you were like, oh, he was abusive and he cheated on her and he. He wasn't shy about it. Okay. Those 

Emily: are like, no, those are the worst parts.

I just meant that like, he was a little bit weird of a dude. 

Kyra: Okay. Well, we are a weird accepting podcast. 

Emily: I'm just kidding. Wait, what? . 

Kyra: We tolerate weirdness. We just don't tolerate like shitty weird people. Well, 

Emily: yeah, but like as a, as a prince and then a king, he. An amount of power over her where he would, he could like make her do stuff.

So I figure like, you know, it's totally fine if you wanna like run drills on your own and like work on military stuff, but like making your wife do it and she doesn't really have a choice kind, I dunno. Yeah. Okay. 

Kyra: Okay. I follow it now. I follow it now. So she s bided. But 

Emily: right. . So when, um, so when Queen Elizabeth [00:07:00] died and Peter ascended the throne, Catherine was like, I'm done.

Like, I've been working on this for years. And she conspiring with the Orthodox Church and the Imperial Guard successfully takes control of the country, throwing Peter in. Quietly killing him. Just gone now. Not a problem for her. And, and then she ruled until her death with no issues with like, no. Yeah, she, uh, she ushered in a literal golden age for Russia.

Um, she brought arts, culture, new ideas, and generally she's considered a really good rule. Would you say 

Kyra: a great 

Emily: smoker? I would good. Okay. That's 

Kyra: good. I, [00:08:00] I started the great, so I had, all I remember from the show is the Hazah Hazah, 

Emily: and I just, I don't remember that at all. Like that's like their catch 

Kyra: phrase.

Like that 

Emily: he would always just be like, oh yeah. And he's always like, yeah, that is weird. 

Kyra: I like from that show. . Peter was definitely viewed as like an inept ruler for sure. I think like he just wasn't 

Emily: capable. Yeah, I think that, okay. So from what I understand, the differences between that show and then reality are that he was smarter than the show depicted, but not smarter than Catherine.

Okay. Like she just had all of these ideas and she was really smart and worldly and she, and he was not living up to what she wanted [00:09:00] in a co ruler. Okay. 

Kyra: All right. So Kathryn, the great we're ranking her as winner, a great, great ruler. Yeah. Out, definitely outdid her spouse. Yes, because she killed him. Yeah.

Okay. So let's going to the second one on your list. She did not, well, she did not kill him. She just, 

Emily: uh, wait, I knew you were gonna say that. And suddenly I was like, okay. But they say he just disappeared from history after. They don't ambiguous know. Yeah. It was kinda like, did they? Okay. 

Kyra: Well, tell me about this next miss.

Emily: Ruler, our next messy ruler. Again, not well. I feel like Catherine the Great was messy because she definitely was responsible for all of that , you know? But 

Kyra: like, what is it like in order to make an omelet, you gotta crack a few eggs? I [00:10:00] feel like that would be, 

Emily: that would've been her motto. That's also one of her Twitter posts.

I feel like . Hashtag for you 

Kyra: page. Hashtag eggs. . I love that we're putting, this is like, they're supposed 

Emily: like Twitter. So modern context. Yeah. Okay, go. So, so sorry. Sorry. So, so the next messy royal is not messy because of herself. She's a really great ruler in. The eyes of history, um, but messy because of everything surrounding her.

We have King Tamar of Georgia, not the state, not the state of Georgia, but the country Georgia . And 

if 

Kyra: you're a community watcher, 

Emily: y'all 

Kyra: mind your, the country of Georgia kindly asks you to find your peas and. 

Emily: Okay. You get one and you can't . That was it until one. That was my [00:11:00] one. Okay. . 

Kyra: Um, tell me 

Emily: about King Tamar.

What would've been her Twitter page? Like, I guess , it's hard to tell what kind of person she would've been like. Right. It's more Right. 

Kyra: 11 hundreds. Yeah. Well, okay. Can I kind of just jump in and say what I thought 

Emily: of her based on what I was reading? Yes, absolutely. Wanna hear your opinion, , 

Kyra: even though I didn't, I haven't finished it, and I'll explain that to you privately, why I haven't finished this show quite yet.

She gives me hella succession vibes, like the capable daughter of the king. So he like mentors her so she can be. The next CEO of the company or like majority stakeholder of the 

Emily: company. Okay. And then I 

Kyra: love that. Yeah. And then like people are like, wow, well just cuz she's a Nepo baby, she can't have this company.

Like we're gonna [00:12:00] try to overthrow her. And she's like to fuck outta here. And she's like pushing them with her wit and her maybe wit, I don't know, or her, you know, Smarts and her, you know, political know-how and she's just like, no. And she stays at the top cause she's 

Emily: obsess. Obsess baby. See. Do you think that she runs her own Twitter or does she have somebody run it for her?

She has 

Kyra: someone run her own Twitter. She has someone run her Twitter, but they can't post anything unless 

Emily: she looks at it. Right. She has to approve it. She has to approve. Absolutely. Has. That is the 

Kyra: five. Oh. And then it would be like tweets that are actually from King tomorrow are signed like KT , 

Emily: and you're like, oh my gosh.

It was really her. Yeah, exactly. I, I feel like yes, that has to be from, from Beyond the grave. She's probably like, yeah, , who is this person? 

Kyra: But yeah. Wow. [00:13:00] That was spot on. 

Emily: It's like they know me. so King ta. Was the first, um, female ruler of Georgia. Um, they called her King Tamar because there hadn't been a woman like a, a queen before, and the title Queen existed, but was more reserved for like wives of the Kings.

And so since she was ruler in her own right, Everyone called her King. Right? And because people revered her as a really good ruler, they kept that title too. I think it was kind of an nod to a more masculine title because they wanted to show their respect. I guess 

Kyra: so. Okay. So Queen for basically for the concerts versus the [00:14:00] rule.

I'm skipping a little ahead and we can definitely go back, but what were her spouses 

Emily: called? Her spouses? What do you mean? Like the title? 

Kyra: Like they, yeah. Cuz they couldn't be Queen. 

Emily: Wait, that's a really good question. I don't know the answer to that. . Well, I think that they, I think they were called like King Concert.

Mm. Okay. So maybe they were both called King. I mean, I think that there, I think. Georgia has a gender neutral language grammatically anyway, so I think it probably didn't matter too much. Yeah. And they didn't 

Kyra: view the spouses as the ruler anyways. They were just like 

Emily: the husband. Right. Because they were considered, they wait because they derived their power from Tamar.

Mm-hmm. and not from themselves. Like they were not considered the Yeah, like the main ruler. [00:15:00]

Kyra: Okay, so I guess, should we go back a little bit to talk about her history? 

Emily: Yeah. I think what solidified her place was that her father, king George, the third, how do I say, elected her. Appointed. Appointed, thank you.

Appointed her as his co ruler, um, with him towards the end of his life, to legitimize her claim to the throne. Because she was a woman and there had never been a queen before. 

Kyra: And then for like present day business speak, that's like appointing her interim c e 

Emily: o. Yes. She was interim c e o until King George's death in 1184.

And that's when she ascended the throne. And so she had been crowned, um, and they asked that she be crowned again. Which she agreed to, [00:16:00] and there was a lot of political pushback for this because they did not believe that a woman could do this. 

Kyra: Were they right? No, I'm just kidding.

Emily: wait. This is the beginning of our controversial podcast where we try to prove that women are the weaker six

In our nacep, we prove why women can't drive . 

Kyra: Okay. Okay. Okay. But tomorrow, un Okay. We're really not going to have the sexist podcast. That is not our thing. Yeah, it's not this one. Okay. So she could drive hypothetically. Cause I 

Emily: don't think they had cars, cars, cars did exist back then and she could drive, she was the best driver in the country.

Um, okay. Okay. So where were we? We, we were on political pushback. Okay, so she needed to do a few things to . She needed to do [00:17:00] a few things to solidify her role, um, as Queen. And so some of those things were that the aristocracy. Asked her to do a few things. Um, one was that she appoint the Catholic patriarch Michael IV as chancellor.

As a chancellor. Apparently there were a few, uh, which she did. Um, although she, that kind of gave, gave up some of her power, so she didn't want to. But at the beginning of her rule, she was young and she decided to do these things so that people would be. Combative towards her being the ruler. 

Kyra: Anything to help prevent the cos or the hostile boardroom takeovers, so 

Emily: to, to speak.

Right. Exactly. Um, so Katherine, the Great was all about cos king, Tamar trying to prevent the cos . Um, so, uh, another thing that they requested she do was, uh, [00:18:00] dismiss her father's previous appointees. Um, these were appointees that helped him. Squash pushback from nobility. So they were interested in those people leaving so that they could have more power again.

Um, and then they were also like, um, you are, you need a king to legitimize your throne and provide heirs and, um, providing areas is a valid reason. But ev everything else is dumb . 

Kyra: I just love that. It's like all of these are total like political. , you know, things that they're trying to get done so they can try to get a steak on something and she did it, but she still, somehow with her feminine wiles perhaps still outsmarted them and you know, outwitted everyone.

Yeah. 

Emily: So tell me about her husband. Well, I think that one of. [00:19:00] Benefits here was that she was young because she kind of waited out a lot of these things so that she could claim more power later, I think. Mm-hmm. , she did dismiss her father's previous appointees, and she did agree to marry, and so the nobility.

Gave her a few options. And of those options, she chose Prince Yuri, um, who was a decent military leader and looked good on paper, but didn't end up being a really good match. I thought you were gonna ask why ? I 

Kyra: was sorry. I I was gonna make her crack, like good on paper, bad in person, but I was like, no, no.

Okay, keep going. Why was he a bad person, husband? Husband to the King , 

Emily: who was a woman. So yeah, he ended up not being a good choice [00:20:00] because he was like, um, Prince Peter, uh, he was an abusive drunk. He blamed Tamar publicly for their lack of an heir. They weren't able to produce an air together as soon as she could, she divorced.

Yui, exiled him. It wasn't like a bad exile. It wasn't like he got nothing or any, you know, I don't think he. She 

Kyra: didn't drop him in the middle of the desert with like a ruck sag 

Emily: and was like a piece. Yeah. Like it . So it wasn't like she, she, I don't know, I feel like exiled sounds really bad, but she was just like, I don't want him here.

So now it's been a few years and, um, she, in that time, um, the Catholic patriarch Michael died. . And [00:21:00] now that she's divorced Yuri, she was able to gain more power for herself. And so more secured in that power for herself. She was able to choose her next husband herself. Mm. And she chose David Soslan, who was a distant relative of hers , but that legitimized him.

In the eyes of the public too, because you know he was Ah, yes, 

Kyra: yes. Yeah. We like our relatives, like we like our da, our our, um, wheat 

Emily: products in bread . No. But despite this fact, which doesn't hold up to modern day standards, uh, he was a great military leader and an avid supporter of Tamar. And together they.

Made a good team. 

Kyra: We, we stand a good team. [00:22:00]

Emily: We do together. They had two kids, both of whom would succeed tomorrow, um, as rulers of Georgia. Good for them. Mm-hmm. . Nice. Well done. I'm finding my place. Okay. And so now that she is married to David, she has heirs. She is feels solid in her throne. She sought expansion together with David Georgia reached political and territorial heights that they'd never seen the arts and the economy flourished.

And today. King Tamar is celebrated as a warrior queen and a saint. 

Kyra: Wait, wait. You forgot to mention my favorite part, which is that Yuri attempted a coup, not once, but twice, because he was assaulting 

Emily: mofo. Oh my God. I totally forgot to include [00:23:00] Batman, . I was say I, I was trying to like do shorter ones because we're trying to cover multiple people and, sorry.

No, no, that's totally fine. 

Kyra: I just, I wanna throw that out there to your listener. Salty husband did not grow quietly into the dark night as, or what is it? Do not go quietly into the night. Whatever. I think you're right. No. Okay. Okay. He did not, no, he did not go softly into 

Emily: the night in, yeah, that's the one.

Yuri is exiled and he is mad about it, . So, um, this is what happens when 

Kyra: they don't get quietly kill. Cici, 

Emily: Catherine the Great. Exactly. So Yuri got together with some other members of the aristocracy and they tried to overthrow Tamar. [00:24:00] This is after she's married David Soslan and she, but together, they totally crush it.

He's defeated. He SLS back to wherever. I don't remember where. 

Kyra: Yeah, it again, fate, 

Emily: ambiguous, right? And, and then he tries it again. He comes back, um, round coup and he's defeated again. And then he was 

Kyra: like, okay, third time is not 

Emily: the charm. Right? So then, Fades into obscurity in history, which I think is such a, that's such a sad fate.

Yeah, it's 

Kyra: even worse in a weird way. I'm like, maybe he was like a furniture salesman . 

Emily: Right? Like, what did he do? We don't know. I know. He's like it. There aren't records of him after that. Maybe they did kill him. I don't [00:25:00] know. 

Kyra: I feel like going back to. Hypothetical Twitters, I feel like King Tamara like post coup overthrowing.

The second time I feel like she just throws in like tweets a gif herself and it's like it's handled and then like that's it. , and that's like the only like ambiguous tweet we get about it. And then you're just like, is he dead or is he just gone? And we will never know. All right. Is it time for my favorite?

One of the three? 

Emily: Yeah. Okay. It is. Who's your favorite? The OG Catfish. Anna CLEs, the OG couch. Okay. Wait, so I wanna preface before we get into this, but Anna Cleves was the fourth wife of King Henry Thei, and this was in 1540. Henry thought she was really ugly. Like seriously? He was so rude. Yeah, and I'm looking at painting.

And [00:26:00] I'm sorry, but I don't see it. She's, she looks like pretty to me. . I'm looking at the, okay. Wait. And you found the ones, the one by, okay, so Henry Hunt Hall. Henry. Yeah. So this is, um, Henry's only political marriage and he liked the look of her based on a quote, flattering portrait. Hands hole by, and I looked at that picture and it looks like all of her other portraits, and I can see like, I don't know.

I just don't get it. I think that she looks completely normal. . 

Kyra: Well, I mean, number one, Henry Thei is not gonna be the pedestal on which we put the male gaze to. I mean, in my head, it's not like he could have Googled her anyways and been like, well, what does she really look like if he only got one portrait and then it was like this, and then she showed up maybe without makeup.

I don't know. I don't know. Totally [00:27:00] guessing. And then he was just like, Ugh. And he already didn't wanna get into the marriage. And I'm not saying I am not apologizing for his actions, I'm just picturing him being like, all. If he only saw one picture, cuz this is pre-kinder, pre anything, he only gets one photo 

Emily: and he's just like, I okay, but he's the king.

He could literally be like, yeah, but I wanna see her in person first. He has all of the power to do that . 

Kyra: And in the tutors and they purposely even show it to, were like, sure face is like covered by a veil, like the whole time too. And then he literal. Undo like lifts the van and he's just like, oh, . 

Emily: No. Well, so I was kind of wondering if it really was about how she looked or if it was just that he was like, he kind of needed to do a political marriage.

He wasn't really into it in the first place, but he also had a mistress at the time, right? Or probably, um, [00:28:00] there are, that he did really like 

Kyra: there are some, um, , like his historians kind of say like, the big things were like, yeah, she was like, he was pressured politically to marry her, but you know, the general consensus is he really didn't like the way she looked.

He found it unsatisfactory and he, there is a complaint like I think that's been recorded that's like, she is nothing so fair as she has been reported. So he was, he was 

Emily: bummed and yeah. , I noticed that that is a miniature portrait, which means that it's probably like a few inches high. Mm-hmm. too. So maybe he looked at, it was like, yeah, that looks fine.

It's like a tiny photo. You . Um, I, I, based on all of the portraits I've seen of her, I, and like the reconstructions they do, cuz they've done a lot. Right. Because she's famous for supposedly being ugly. [00:29:00] Yeah. I. She, I don't know, like maybe she had a large-ish nose and people didn't like that. I think she looks like a really normal, lovely girl.

I don't know. I don't think she was 

Kyra: ugly. I mean, I look at all his Henry the eighth wives and I'm like, okay, but what do I a woman of the two 

Emily: thousands , that's true. Who, who are we to know what was going on back then? I think Anna Cleves. The true winner here, especially of Henry's wives, but in general, because I think she played her cards really well, unlike the previous two rulers that we talked about.

She wasn't going for prestige or power. She played her cards so that she could live a really comfortable and happy life. From what I can tell , [00:30:00] they got married. In January of 1540 and the marriage was aned by July of the same year. He was so unhappy. He was so rude to her. , I mean, do you think it was because that she knew what happened to King Henry's wives, or do you think it was just because she, that's how she went with it, but she agreed to the annulment without protest.

I 

Kyra: think, I think it was a smart thing. I think, I mean, by the time you hit wife number four, you know what's happened to wives one, two, and three, right. , you know, so if the guy is like, Hey, divorce me, you know, you're like, all right, . Yeah. You're just like, yeah, I'm good. I'm, I'm good and I'm not gonna fight you on it.

I'm not gonna, you know. 

Emily: Yeah. Make a scene, quote unquote, and, Partly as a former queen, but also partly because Henry [00:31:00] was appreciative of her just, um, going with the annulment. Uh, she was given land and castles and a, and allowance, you know, and so she was living large and she didn't have to have a husband.

Kyra: That works out so good. Right. And it was literally like marrying for money, uh, that you still get the divorce without the prenup and you still get stuff 

Emily: right. And she still gets several houses in the divorce . So basically everyone considered her warmhearted friendly and they say that she had an untried demeanor, which is what I'm always looking for.

Kyra: She was. . 

Emily: Yeah. Um, she was close to her stepdaughter's, Elizabeth and Mary, and she even befriended the king. Um, she was [00:32:00] considered an honorary member of Henry's family and referred to as the King's beloved sister, and she outlived him and died in 1557, revered and admired. So I feel like she's the true winner.

Kyra: Yeah. Okay. What would her social media be? Probably a filter, but she like gets married, gets divorced, and then she becomes like a lifestyle blogger and just talks about like home ec or 

Emily: something? No, I feel like she has filters before her marriage and then after she's like, I don't need this. I don't need to prove myself to anybody.

Yeah. And then she just has the, that Instagram that's just like photos of her gardening and. 

Kyra: Yes, total like, like home home renovations at At 

Emily: home with Anne . It's like, oh my gosh, the last storm totally knocked down. This part of my castle. We have to rebuild. 

Kyra: I, I enjoyed this [00:33:00] outline and this layout and I loved kind of putting it into a contemporary lens cuz it's like, obviously royalty is such a messy business, but sometime you have to contextualize it into like, what would it be like today?

Emily: Yeah. And kind of what are the stakes at the time? Like what is it, what is this action in the past equivalent to in the present? Yeah. 

Kyra: Yeah, 100%. This was an episode of stuff I didn't writee my dissertation on season three. 

Emily: This was fun kicking 

Kyra: off our Vox Regio arc where we're gonna be talking about.

Messy royals and some of these women weren't really me. Some of these women were messy killing their spouses cough off. Other women weren't messy, just dealing with messy people, and some were just, you know, not even really messy or, yeah, just really dealing with the circumstances 

Emily: surrounding them when you're [00:34:00] dealt with the mess.

Nicely. Yeah. And you know what? They outlived their, they outlive the men. 

Kyra: They roast the ranks to become rulers or an Anne of Cleves case. She got to kick back and chill and enjoy not death, which is a life

Emily: oh my god. 

Kyra: If you liked this episode, uh, stay tuned for another few episodes surrounding this. Uh, listen to our previous episode. Seasons one and two are available anywhere you listen. Uh, want more of us follow us on Instagram and stuff. I didn't write. Like writing, write us at stuff I didn't write@gmail.com.

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So stay tuned for that fundraiser. And with that, I'm Kyra. Oh wait, the Vampire. I'm Vampire Kai,

Emily: Emily, and we'll catch you next time. Class dismissed. Bye.[00:36:00]

You should have said vapi based 

Kyra: hashtag I don't know what they say anymore. I'm not cool. 

Emily: So what hashtag , what did they, I dunno, I'm trying to think of what maybe, what did they say? No, what do you say? What 

Kyra: do I say? 

Emily: Yola? Yeah, like if you. Yeah, 

Kyra: I just typed in Catherine the Garrett . 

Emily: Cause I can't say, oh 

Kyra: great.

There's like a word for it, right? And I'm blanking on it. Hold on, hold on. You have to hear the bloopers for context, guys. So 

Emily: stay tuned. Always listen until the end so that you know that I am invested. I am here.