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Peptide Bioregulators and Age Reversal with Phil Micans
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The search for longevity has long captivated humanity, yet we often overlook the powerful genetic switches already present within our bodies. Peptide bioregulators—short chains of amino acids that directly interact with our DNA—might be the missing link in our quest for extended healthspan.
In this eye-opening conversation with peptide expert Phil Micans, we explore how these remarkable compounds originated from Soviet research in the 1980s and have since demonstrated astonishing results across millions of users. These organ-specific peptides work by providing direct instructions to our genes, either activating or silencing them based on what the body needs.
Unlike conventional supplements requiring daily consumption, these bioregulators need only be taken for brief periods each month or quarter. For those seeking optimal results, Phil reveals the three cornerstone peptides—pineal (supporting melatonin and telomere length), thymus (boosting immunity), and blood vessel (improving circulation)—that address fundamental aspects of aging.
The pineal gland deserves special attention in our longevity conversation. Research shows tumors only grow during daylight hours when melatonin is absent, leading to promising high-dose protocols for cancer patients. Even more fascinating is the pineal's potential role as our biological "counter" or death clock, raising intriguing questions about our ability to reset this internal timekeeper.
Perhaps most compelling are the documented cases of supposedly irreversible conditions being improved through peptide protocols. From restoring vision in genetic blindness to rebalancing hormones during menopause, these bioregulators demonstrate remarkable regenerative capabilities without significant side effects.
As we compare modern health challenges to our ancestors (who often enjoyed similar lifespans without modern medicine), we discover how today's environment accelerates aging through stress, poor water quality, and disconnection from natural rhythms. Peptide bioregulators offer a path back to our biological potential by working with our body's inherent wisdom rather than against it.
Ready to discover the power of your body's own genetic switches? Join us for this paradigm-shifting conversation about the future of personalized health optimization.
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Why did the mid-Victorians? Why, then, was there a dip from sort of 1860 onwards? So if you were in 1830, there were no gym memberships in 1830, because you had to walk everywhere. Unless you're a rich man and you owned a horse, you walked everywhere. And then the food. Well, everybody was eating organic. Everybody was eating with the seasons. Also, how did they cook? They could not cook at high temperatures. They had what we call a Dutch oven. It's basically a slow cooker. So all these things mount up and gave them the same age of death as we have today. Tumors only grow in the daytime, they do not grow at nighttime. Why, if we haven't got our health, what do we have?
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Body Literacy Podcast Phil.
Speaker 1:It's a great pleasure to be here, Jen. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2:Of course. Of course, I'm so excited about this conversation. I think we have some really interesting topics surrounding peptides and peptide bioregulators to dive into, and I think the conversation will take some interesting turns, as I think you and I share a lot of similar values and ideas about where the medical industry is going. But I want to start off the conversation with a little personal story, and I don't think I've ever told this one on the Body Literacy Podcast before, but it's a story about my great grandmother. So my great grandmother lived to be 110 years old and her older sister lived to be 112. And, um, if you are watching the video version of this, um, this is the Guinness book of world records that she and her sister were in for a few years running. Um, they were the oldest living siblings until they finally got beat out by some people who were even older.
Speaker 2:So this is one of our family's claims to fame. Unfortunately, the genetics on the other side of my family aren't quite as strong, but I'm rooting for the epigenetic expression of my centenarian relatives. So other interesting thing about her is her favorite they're beyond centenarian relatives. So other interesting thing about her is her.
Speaker 1:They're beyond centenarian, jen that because they got to 110, they become super centenarian. There we go, yeah, and if you take your shoes and socks off and you look at all your digits, there aren't that many super centenarians on the planet right now, so that's how rare it is to get to 110.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm, I'm aiming for it. Uh, her, her favorite food was actually fried chicken and, um, I'll tell this story real quick. Kentucky fried chicken got wind of this and they started sponsoring her birthday parties at the nursing home after she was 100. Um, I always tell people like fried chicken isn't really the problem, but don't eat KFC. I think they changed the name because they couldn't even call it chicken anymore.
Speaker 1:There was a study or a statement came out recently from one of the gerontology universities, I can't remember which one of them, basically saying it, actually said it's very recent. Don't follow the advice of the centenarian, which is. It sounds crazy, but, um, what they're talking about is, generally speaking, these people, um, have some bad habits. So you know, I mean, the most famous one, of course, is jean clement, who was a french lady who lived to 122 and some months and, um, and smoked and drank and, you know, didn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary, shall we say. So you? And of course that may be purely genetics. I don't think it's right.
Speaker 1:A lot of genealogists will tell you if genes are the gun, the environment is the trigger. So if you have bad genes but you don't give it the environment, then you don't damage yourself. So there's that argument as well. But the funny story about Jean Clamor and I'd like to think it's true and I'd like to think she had great humor is, on her 120th birthday, with a cake and a brandy in one hand and a cigarette in the other hand. Somebody asked her what do you attribute your long life to, as they always do, and she said well, I don't know, she said but if I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have lived out to myself.
Speaker 2:You know, and that brings up the subject, too, of lifespan versus healthspan, because we've had so much focus on the number of years but not so much infusing those years with the most amount of life force that we possibly can, and I think that's kind of where this biohacking revolution is coming from is people wanting to live to their absolute fullest as long as they possibly can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do agree. Everyone understands there's no point in living to 120 if your last 40 years are absolutely miserable. Everybody knows it's about. You know the health span, as you rightly say. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. The um. There was a number of aspects to this. First of all, I've got to say, having been in the business for 35 plus years and seen a lot, and what have you? Um, the majority of people still don't care about their true longevity, that most people aren't even thinking about next year, never mind next decade. You know, one of the problems, of course, is I guess you've got a number.
Speaker 1:I would say that I thought I was immortal until I turned 30 yeah, right you know, I don't think if you asked anybody who was 20, 25 years old, living, living their life. Everything's exciting, everything's going on, loads to do, lots to see. Oh, have you thought about your death, right? No, of course I haven't.
Speaker 1:So, as I say, a lot of people not in our space maybe because we get surrounded by people who are concerned with maximising their health span, but I'm talking about the population at large they're not that interested in what's happening next year, never mind in 20 years, 30 years, whatever. And that's kind of sad because it looks as though, with exceptions, of course, there's always exceptions that most dna damage takes at least 10 years to appear. So if you start smoking today, you might say what cigarettes don't bother me, oh, I'm on 20 a day, whatever. You know well, wait 10 years and see what it might, might happen. And that 10 to 20 years is typical for dna damage to really show it's it's. And then, of course, the problem then is trying to reverse it.
Speaker 1:You know you can't at that stage try and slow it down. It won't perhaps do that much for you. But fundamentally, you know, anti-aging, biohacking, orthomolecular medicine, whatever you want to call it, it all has the same goal. And that goal and and I believe you, me I've had professors get angry over terminology. They say it's semantics, it's just words, let's relax. But the goal is the same.
Speaker 2:It's prevent if you can reverse regenerate yeah, exactly exactly, and I think part of like the. The trouble we're seeing at this stage in the game is everyone is so ingrained in a medical system that is designed on one pill for one ill and they're looking to suppress symptoms rather than heal what actually caused the problem in the first place, and that generally takes time. That's not something you can turn off with a pill. If we've had decades to get to wherever we are in our current state of suffering, if you will.
Speaker 1:Well, the fiscal system makes that happen because drugs per se. We could get into semantics here about what the different word drugs means to different people. But what ordinary people, if you dare say that, think of the word drug. You know the. It's so expensive, they reckon. In the states now it costs about a billion dollars to approve a new drug and not every drug that they attempt to approve goes gets approved right, so that some fall by the wayside. So they've got to get that money back and they've got to make a profit. That's the way the system works. So they want a substance that they can patent and it is notoriously difficult to patent a natural substance. And that's why, in the main, you only ever hear from your medical doctors in the UK we call them GPs, general practitioners. You only hear about drugs, you not natural substances. Because one, they only did two weeks of their five-year medical school on nutrition. That's one. And two, the pharmaceutical salesman will never talk to them about how vitamin c or whatever is complementary with this, that or the other. Because that's the way I see. I'm not negating drugs, pharmacologist, I'm not negating drugs and they have their place if they look.
Speaker 1:If you're in pain, you know painkillers. You're gonna want it. But you're absolutely right when it comes to degenerative diseases, long-term problems, then you need to address the root cause. It's no good lowering blood pressure with a beta blocker If you haven't got to the source, or attempting to lower your cholesterol with a statin. You know why is cholesterol high, why is the blood pressure high? Get to the root cause. And that's so sad, of course, that they won't even consider.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've heard many stories over the years. A friend of mine was put on metformin for his type 2 diabetes. That's a classic drug for it. But there is a fantastic book I've got it on my shelf behind me there somewhere called the Drug Nutrient Depletion Handbook and it shows all the major drugs and then the vitamins or minerals or whatever that it will impede. Now, in the case of metformin, it impedes the uptake of B12. So I think a lot of the side effects that people may experience from metformin are partly due to the fact that they're quashing their B12. So guess what? Take some B12 supplement and suddenly it becomes complementary and it in the synergy, is improved. But I've heard there was this in. Go back to my friend. He went back to his gp and said to this lady oh, my friend has recommended I take some b12 while I'm on uh, while I'm on metformin, and she regaled, you know, oh my god, no, she said I wouldn't do that. And and I said why did she say that?
Speaker 2:and he, said I don't know, I didn't ask her I said there's only one reason.
Speaker 1:She said that it's because she doesn't know anything. And so I said did she tell you to stop eating oranges? I said, well, they've got a lot of B12 in. I mean, surely, if that's the case, you shouldn't?
Speaker 2:be eating oranges.
Speaker 1:You know this is how silly it can get sometimes.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the phrase I don't know is a very powerful statement, and it's one that I think that so many people, ingrained in the current system, don't have the humility to use, and it's an invitation to curiosity, and I think our existing system could be fixed very easily just by infusing that curiosity back into our physicians. They've become, in many ways, box story employees that have to practice to the quote unquote standard of care, and they're no longer infusing themselves with this insatiable curiosity that I think very famous physicians of millennia past were so well known for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think one of the problems there, Jen, is also. They don't have the time. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:They don't get. And also it's confusing trying, if your field has been in this for that, as it were, and suddenly you're exposed to this huge, you can get very confused. I don't know what to believe anymore. You know, but the time is a real, real problem on the NHS, because you know, we have a socialist medicine system in the UK, socialist medicine system in the uk, and that means that 95 percent of people don't go to the nhs. They don't. There's five percent.
Speaker 1:So the private medicine in the uk is very small and it's in a very few concentrated places, like harley street in london is very famous for it. Um, because people feel, well, I've paid my taxes, I get my health care free, which is understandable, but at the same time they're going to get this, this regimen. That's that's what we're going to do for you and nothing else. Um, and that's a rather sad state of affairs. I mean, just recently I had something that angered me. Rather is the government here in the uk has asked doctors to find the time to talk about climate change with their patients. Right now, it doesn't. I don't care what you think about climate change, whether it's true, not true, it doesn't matter. They reckon the average patient in the uk has five minutes with their with their nhs doctor. So you, why have you gone to see that person? Because you feel unwell, you've got a problem and you want them to fix it. Right, right, you've got five minutes with them. How much of that time do you want them to talk about the weather? Yes, ludicrous.
Speaker 2:Oh well, I mean, I think that just shows that maybe there are other agendas at play, particularly on that topic like I mean I think anyone can guess those people are seen as in authority.
Speaker 1:You've gone to them to respect them, you know they. They're in the priestesses and priests of the high temple and therefore if they give you a new command, yeah, you're going to accept it. I'm sure that's probably in their thinking. Yeah, but I agree with you that more doctors would find themselves not only more humble but more respected if they sometimes said I don't know Exactly and follow it up with, but I'll try and find out, yeah, so fair enough, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I do see where there are doctors, kind of outliers of the system.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's some good ones.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely I mean they're my favorite people as they have that curiosity and if you go to them with something they haven't heard of, they're like absolutely. I will look into it and I'll give a brief example. There was a surgeons, a surgery center locally that I went to and introduced the sports medicine doctor there to a protocol for high dose IV vitamin C used during surgery to help the wound healing.
Speaker 2:I thought for sure they were gonna. We're gonna tell me I was crazy and or ignore me or whatever. And two days before it was, my daughter was having a surgery. Two days before she had the surgery, his physician's assistant called me and this was a very prominent practice and said hey, we looked into all this information on high dose IV vitamin C and how it can help with arthritis and surgeries and all kinds of different things. We're going to approve it for the surgery.
Speaker 2:But I think the kicker here is is this was a privately owned, physician owned surgery center. It was not through the conventional hospital, because I've been in similar situations, even with specifically with high dose IV vitamin C, where the hospital administrators will put a whole board together to tell you no, you can't have a vitamin in the hospital. Administrators will put a whole board together to tell you, no, you can't have a vitamin in the hospital.
Speaker 1:There's a famous story from New Zealand on that exact same point, where a farmer had contracted something in his travels and his sons. He'd been in like a coma for a long time. And his son said please try vitamin C. And begrudgingly, and only after the lawyer threatened them. They did, and he recovered in a very short period of time. And even at the end of it all, when they had a press conference, the hospital was when asked what do you think has helped this gentleman recover from a year long coma? They tried to oh, I, we. We moved him in his bed. We think the position, unfortunately for that doctor, his son was a well-known rugby player from new zealand and they are some of the world's best rugby players. He launched himself across three rows of seats and took this doctor down on the floor. He was so angry about that statement. But you know, but it's a blindness, it's an absolute.
Speaker 1:In the uk they have a uh, what would you call it? A doctrine where it's? I've heard it so many times. It just pisses me off. Now we only practice evidence-based medicine, right?
Speaker 1:I remember having that conversation with a uk nhs doctor about high dose vitamin C, in this case for sepsis, and he basically said oh well, we only practice evidence based medicine. So I said well, hang on a minute, I'd like to question you about that statement, you know. And I said well, I've got back in the office, I've got this enormous book and it's written by probably the world's greatest vitamin living vitamin C expert, dr Thomas Levin. And I said it's called Vitamin C in Infectious Disease. I said and he lists in there all the different cases. I said and in the back there are over 3000 PubMed references.
Speaker 1:Now, I know it's like a good lawyer, you don't ask the question before you actually know the answer. I knew he could not dis a PubMed reference. It's a gold standard, it's peer reviewed stuff, right? So he didn't know anything about it, of course. So I said Would you accept that? That is evidence based medicine? And of course he couldn't say no, right. So in the end I said so really, your statement is we only practice approved medicine, right? That's that's what it comes down to. And in the end he had to say well, yeah right, right.
Speaker 2:And the interesting thing about Dr Thomas Levy too, is that he he actually, based on his experiences in the medical industry, went and got his law degree to navigate the legal aspects of everything that's been happening.
Speaker 1:He realized how important that was to the changing of the system, so that one of another great example of just another great doctor doing great things and not having the curiosity and not bowing down to the One of my personal favorites. A great doctor, a great man is is is Dr Dr Wright, from that's with a W, and he's um jonathan right, dr jonathan right and he's from seattle. Uh, he has a clinic in tahoma, I think it's called, not far from seattle and uh, it's a big place. I think he's got like 200 staff in there. You know, it's a bit, and he has spent his life reading. I don't think he has spare time, jonathan, I don't. I don't. You know he doesn't go fishing or golfing, or I don't think so. Anyway, I think what his idea of a good, a good night is to curl up with some publication yeah, possibly a glass of wine and read it. And the knowledge he has is so incredible, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:And I once saw him on stage answering questions and he was asked because his point was, you know, whatever medicine is practiced, we have to accept it is behind the literature. It of course we do, because the whole idea of research is always to keep, in theory at least, to keep pushing the right. So he asked the question. He said after reading countless journals and papers and goodness knows what he said. I've come to a conclusion about how far we are. Um, and he was talking about therapeutic medicine, not surgery. Okay, anyone listening to this? I'm not talking about surgery. There have been quite significant advances in that and that's the reason.
Speaker 1:But in, in therapeutics, you know, when we talk about medicines and things, and, and so he asked the audience. He said how far do you think we are behind the literature? And people shouted out 20 years, 10 years, five years, stuff like that. And he went yeah, all good answers. He said I'll tell you what I think. He said we're a hundred years, right? So we're currently practicing 1924 medicine and of course that shocks everybody, right, that's shocked, yeah, just everybody. But so, but he's a man I greatly respect. If you ever see any Jonathan Wright on on a or anything, go and read it, it will be good.
Speaker 2:All right. All right, can we say we're going to get into anti aging and specifically peptide bioregulators, which will define what those are in a little bit here. But can you, can you define for us what is the aging process?
Speaker 1:Well, that's the 64 trillion dollar question. I'm going to take you back one step here, jen, if you don't mind something, because you mentioned your grandparents living to 110 and 112, which is phenomenal, right, right, phenomenal. But there was an amazing study done in the University of Amsterdam that was published in 2016. So, not so long ago, and they had a bunch of ladies and very big ladies, right, that lived that long. And also another thing they generally you can tell me about how big your grandparents Generally, they're quite small people, yeah, right, that's another thing they have in common. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:Those ladies died within two to three weeks of a serious reduction in stem cell activity and a shortening of telomeres. Right Now, the big question is is that cause or is that consequence? Right, but nonetheless, they shared that in common. They had in the last few weeks of life, they, they and that's been said about a lot of people over the years who, who have been poster boys and girls for A4M or other outfits, you think, 86 years old, super fit, great shape, you know anything? Wow, wow, wow. And I'm thinking here of a guy called bob della montague was one, and there was a lady as well, nancy. I can't remember her name at the moment, but again, lady in her late 70s, super fit, everything you know, wow, wow, wow. And yet they died. They died like I think bob died at 86, I think she died at 79, if I remember rightly. But they checked out quite quickly, which leads to the whole idea of you know, is there a death clock? You know, and, and what triggers it? Okay, and, and there's, there's some things. I mean, the walter, pierre paulie and others have surmised that if there's a counter in the body, it's the pineal gland, because it's in the center of the brain and it responds to day, night, day night, day night. It could be a counter. I mean, nobody knows for sure. None of these things are definitive, you know, um, but I think we'd all.
Speaker 1:My position on this is I've heard people say well, if aging, some people want to classify aging as a disease. A lot of people are uncomfortable with that idea because, well, we've all got it, so it can't be a disease. Yeah, ok, but the way I look at it is up until our teenage years, it's growth and development. After we are able to reproduce, nature starts to see a decline and that is a known trigger on that, and that trigger is the shrinkage, the atrophy of the thymus gland which sits in the chest OK, quite a large gland, quite important in our immune system, and it's well known that by the time we just hit puberty it starts to shrink. Yeah, right, so there are a number of really well-known people in the field, uh, who've said yeah.
Speaker 1:One of my heroes unfortunately he's not with us anymore was the late great joseph noel, who was a pharmacologist from hungary, and I asked him once on stage I said when do you think aging starts? And he said 14. I mean, most people would never go that low. I mean most people might say 35, 40, 45, you know something, probably around those sorts of numbers, but he said 14 and that was his basis. You know they were a trophy. So changes do take place in us and it's almost like nature says you're able to have children, now time to start put the counter on, you know so, um, nobody knows for sure. Um, but of course, what's really fascinating and this is what got me into this whole field when I was a teenager or a young man, um, I felt I was aging more quickly than my friends and I asked myself why, why, you know, we kind of all do similar things. Why am I seemingly aging faster than you guys are? And that got me into thinking about that as a question. And it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, you can be as Freudian as you like, but when somebody is coming towards you in the street, you can, we all make assumptions. You might say are you male or female? Are you young or old? Are you a threat? You know, I won't say what Freud said because it's got some rules. You know, can you eat me? Can I eat you? Can you F me? Can I F you? You know these really basic, you know primeval monkey things.
Speaker 1:But we do make assumptions and we might also make assumptions how much money have you got? How well are you dressed? How in Britain especially, how do you talk Right? You know I'll put you in the class system by your accent, you know so. So there's a lot of assumptions and everyone knows you know I'll put you in the class system by by your accent, you know so. So there's a lot of assumptions and everyone knows you know first impressions are the most important. So there's a lot we assume, maybe subconsciously, in 30 seconds of meeting people, but age is one of them. Am I talking to a young person and all, and we, and we adjust ourselves. You wouldn't talk to a child the same way that you'd talk to an elderly judge, I don't know. So aging is a complicated arena.
Speaker 1:Now, what is the actual process of aging? Well, of course, there are many biochemical pathways. Hormones is a classic, I mean. The most obvious one for the ladies is menopause, right, it's an absolutely clear line that you're moving from being this person to being this person, right, and it happens in men too. I'm, you know. Of course there's an android cause. The only thing is it's slower, right, but they're all sorts of.
Speaker 1:If you're on the telephone, you know it's an aging man, right, the voice is. Testosterone is really low, his estrogens have gone right up and you can hear it in their voice. You know you're an elderly gentleman, yeah, so, even subconsciously, we pick up on these, on these signals. Certainly hormones. If you follow the work of, say, dr, certainly hormones. If you follow the work of, say, dr Thierry Hertog, who's one of the great endocrinologists in the field, and you ever see a lecture by Thierry, go and watch it, because he shows pictures of people who look dramatically different by altering their hormones. When you see the early pictures of these people. You look at them and you go I'd say that was a 50 year old man, yeah, yeah. And then you see the treatment, and then you see them again, maybe one, two, three years later, and suddenly you think no that's a 30 year old man.
Speaker 1:You know the dramatic differences from rebalancing hormones. The 64 trillion dollar question, of course, is why do hormones go out of balance? You know what is the trigger and of course that's when you get into the quagmire of. There's one thing we know for sure we can accelerate aging. No problem there, right, and everyone knows how to do that Don't sleep too much, drink too much alcohol, start smoking cigarettes, you know, start taking narcotics, get yourself in a very stressful situation.
Speaker 1:And one of the one of the things that stress does, modern day stress. We are built for a certain amount of stress, you know. And clearly, when we were walking through the jungle and the take a saber tooth tiger wanted to come after us, we would have extreme stress. And the take, a saber-toothed tiger, wanted to come after us, we would have extreme stress, but for short periods, you know. But what we in the modern world, we're kind of exposed to this chronic level slightly too high, you know, I can't. There's no parking spaces, you know, and all you know, all those little silly things, and and so I've come to realize now I'm I'm 62, I've come to realize now I'm 62. I've come to realize that relaxation is a really important thing. If you'd have asked me 10 years or so ago and you said you know, do you relax, phil, do you chill? I'd have probably said no because I felt I was wasting my time Right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to read something, I'm going to watch something. I can't just sit here and do nothing. But I've realized that relaxation and it can take many forms. You know, obviously the classic is meditation or yoga, but it could be fishing or painting, or walking in the woods, or you know there's many or sailing your boat, I don't know. There's many forms that relaxation can take. And one of the things we know about stress is it's the number one way to shorten your telomeres. And telomeres are the end caps of chromosomes. The nice way to think about them is they are the aglets on your laces, and an aglet is that piece of plastic that keeps the lace together. And you know what your lace would look like if it hadn't got an outlet on it. It'd be a mess. And that's what telomeres do for the chromosomes. And the general theory is that the longer the chrono that sorry, the longer the telomeres are, the more likely you are to be healthy and live longer.
Speaker 2:I'm wondering, too, like how much of the aging process is natural versus the accelerated aging that we're actually being exposed to because of all the factors of modern life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is a very. The trouble is now where can you have that cohort of people who are leading? Are they living on top of the himalayas? Uh, where? Where are they?
Speaker 1:The trouble is, what's rather shocking, of course, um is this and people like amish people, you know the people that live like it was 200 years ago and they go around by horse and buggy and and they, they, they grow their their own vegetables and they go to bed when the sun goes down and they get up when the sun comes up. They don't use electric and they certainly don't have a cell phone, etc. Etc. Etc. The shocking thing is, when they study those people, those kinds of people, they not only live longer than the average, they also seem to live healthier.
Speaker 1:And then you start getting into what is it in the? You know, and the trouble is today, you know, you could say the water's tainted, there's plastics in it. You know, the germans studied um their water some years ago and they went to their different states and they randomly chose faucets and they tested the water from the municipal water supply and they found in every case traces of all the major drugs, so literally viagra and um, you know, statins and all the rest traces and of course say well, it's you know it's very, very, very small numbers.
Speaker 1:And the number one what is the number one prescribed drug in the world? Contraceptive Right. So now you have an endocrine disruptor in the water, right. So when people say to me, why do you always buy mineral water, phil, aren't you wasting your money? I say well, I'm far less likely to have drugs in it. That's it. There are other things you can do to obviously cleanse yourself, but that is a known fact the water is huge and I tell people start there.
Speaker 2:Uh, it sounds too simple and I think the problem is people don't have like a taste, discernment between waters, so they don't feel like they're doing something different. Um, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:You know, I drank it yesterday. I feel all right. You know it takes time. But then you start saying, well, if there are traces of my joke, of course, is that we've, we're all drinking hard water because it's great, but I mean but? But? But seriously, if we, if you start saying, well, hang about, hang about, hang about. How much water do you drink every day? A couple of liters, two, three liters. You shower in it. Your bath, you bathe in it. Yeah and uh, what about your children? Are they using? What about a baby? What about a pregnant mother? Right, you start what about somebody who's seriously ill? For another, you know, there's all sorts of things you could throw in that mix and cause a lot of problems.
Speaker 1:Now we have a, an aluminum expert. I nearly said aluminium. We have an aluminum expert here in the UK and his name is Professor Chris Exley. That's E-X-L-E-Y. You can look up his work. Look him up on YouTube. That's e-x-l-e-y. You can look up his work. Look him up on youtube. Um, great guy and um, he got fired from his university because he started making some very controversial, controversial statements, which I will not go into, but people can go and find him on youtube. But he discovered. Aluminum, you know, is in the water right. Aluminum is the world's most common metal. You know it's in our food, etc. However, he he states quite clearly that when we ingest it, our body does know how to detoxify it. When we put it in another way, it does not know how to detoxify it interesting that you use your imagination yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So, but what he discovered in his work and I think this is really interesting is that silica is a chelator of aluminum, right, and he discovered do you mind me using brand names? Okay, so he discovered three waters that are mineral waters, that are mineral waters that are naturally high in silica. One is a French water called Volvic, another one is an Indonesian water called Spritzer and the other one is Fiji Okay water, and I'm not going to tell you where that's from. So people are drinking those waters. So he got I can't remember the numbers, you'll have to go and look him up but he got a bunch of people together, together all who were suffering with early stage dementias, mainly alzheimer's, and he said I just want you to drink two or three waters, liters of water a day from one of these brands.
Speaker 1:And so now here in the uk, uh, volvic water is by far the cheapest because we're quite close to France. You know, importing stuff from Indonesia and Fiji puts the price up. So, and in my house you'll find mainly Volvic water. So he put them on two or three liters of those waters and after two months they all had statistical improvements in their disorders just from changing the water they drank, so you know and and that's just in sort of eight weeks. So imagine what eight years might do it's funny.
Speaker 2:When my son was younger, uh, he had a a palate and an intuition for water and he would always demand I go by fiji um before his bedtime. He insisted it had to be fiji.
Speaker 1:No other water tasted the same to him yeah, good, I, I think we do possess um inbuilt antenna, if you want to call it that. I remember a study from years ago where people were put in a sealed room with a one-way mirror and and they had electrodes put on their brain.
Speaker 1:And this, this part of the brain back here often called the horse brain, is one of the oldest parts of the reptilian brain, yeah yeah, exactly, and they put the and they found that whenever somebody was looking at them but I mean they would sit in there, you know, reading a book or watching a film or whatever it was they were doing they couldn't see anybody looking at them. There was a one way mirror, but what they found was, whenever somebody was actually looking at them, it stimulated this part of the brain, right? So I'm sure that our forebears, when that saber tooth tigers decided to have us for lunch, reacted to that and started running, even though they didn't know why.
Speaker 2:But and I'm sure that we all possess some kind of natural ability to know this is good, this is not good for me, and I talk about the body being an antenna for consciousness, and I think the more degraded the body becomes, the less connection we have to that innate knowing and our connection to all other things.
Speaker 1:And I think when we look, oh, I get that I've reached my conclusion based on other people, Of course I'm. You know, we're all standing on the shoulders of giants. Is is that I don't think the brain is a computer. I think it's a receiver and and we, if you, as you say, if you, if you've raised your consciousness, then you can tap into the ether and start picking up stuff, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Well, on that note, let's jump into peptides and bioregulators, because I think we're also going to lead into the pineal gland on this, which I think you've got a lot of things to say on that In the context of aging or anything. Can you explain to our listeners what is a peptide and then what is the subset of peptides, the bioregulators?
Speaker 1:Sure, well, peptides, very simply simply, are groups of amino acids. Now, I think most people know about amino acids and they're very, very important. And there are about eight amino acids that are classified as essential, and that word, in this particular instance, means if you don't get them, you die. So, um, that's probably makes them pretty essential. Um, and they are the building blocks of proteins. So as soon as you get two amino acids that decide to conjoin from all the amino acids, and of course it's called a dipeptide to be precise, then, um, of course, all these names just for different subcategories. That's when some people said when that happened, in the primeval swamps of this planet, all the bubbling mud pools, and when that happened, information. That was the first moment that we had the ability to make information. And when other amino acids decide to add onto these chains in different I'm not a mathematician, mathematician, but obviously these can become very big numbers um, you get, you get different peptides, you get longer change of peptides, and and then we start changing the names. When they've got to a certain point, we might start calling them peptides and we might start calling them proteins, and at other points, we might stop calling them peptides and we might start calling them proteins and at other points we might stop calling them proteins and we might start calling them hormones. So, for example, human growth hormone, which is produced in the pituitary gland of the brain, is 191 conjoined amino acids. That's very long, right, and what that means from a from a point of view of using growth hormone. You can't swallow it, it's far too unstable. It would just be destroyed in the stomach. So that's why, typically, there are other approaches to growth hormone. I accept that, but if you wanted growth hormone, hgh per se, you'd have to inject it. That's the only way that it would survive. So the the peptides, and today there's no doubt in my mind that peptides are the um, uh number one interest. You know, over the years I've seen I I don't really want to use the word fads, it's not, it's an unfair word but I've seen a lot of interest in chelation. I've seen a lot of interest in nootropics, in smart drugs, in bioidentical hormones, which is still ongoing, of course. But today, without question, the hot topic is peptides and I think people are waking up to the power of peptides. Okay, now there's a whole bunch of peptides which I refer to as the american peptides because it's mainly american docs and researchers who are talking about them. Okay, so you've got bcp 157 and pt 141 and many other crazy acronyms that we have to try and remember. Um, but what I got?
Speaker 1:In 2010, I was lucky enough to be going to a meeting in istanbul, and that was the first time I met a russian professor by the name of vladimir cabinson, and I sat in the auditorium and I thought I don't know this guy from adam. I've never heard of him, I don't know anything about him, but it sounds interesting. So, um, so I'm looking over for a book. I've got a book over there. I'll bring it up in a minute, so, um, so, basically, I heard him describe how, in the soviet union, he was tasked as the head of the saint Petersburg Institute for Biorgerontology, which is a very prominent institute and respected around the world.
Speaker 1:How he was tasked in the 1980s by the Kremlin to help their troops who were suffering with premature aging. So who were these people? Well, they were people sitting in nuclear submarines or in nuclear silos. Perhaps not surprising if you're going to spend six months on the floor bed sitting near a nuclear reactor. Yeah on. On the other hand, you may say, well, perhaps the government wasn't so bad, because they saw it as concerned and they wanted to help those troops. They also wanted to find ways of fixing the troops from battlefield weapons. So you know, I'm not trying to upset anybody, but these are just facts. Um and and uh, there was a laser being developed by the american military. They're aware of that. If it was shone on the battlefield would blind any person who saw it. So they said find a way of fixing it. Okay.
Speaker 1:So he was tasked with this very general thing, okay, and it actually I didn't. What I'm now going to tell you is fast forwarding, yeah, years. Right, this didn't all happen in istanbul. I can assure you that it was follow-ups and all the rest of it. But I can tell you that it was follow-ups and all the rest of it. But I can tell you that was like a light bulb going over my head, because what he ended up saying was these short chain peptides and we're now talking about peptides that are made up of two, three or four and in some cases up to six amino acids. I've learned that fairly recently actually, but certainly still very small. Right, they're in food, foodza, right, because they're not all in one food. So they're in foods and what he essentially discovered he and his team essentially discovered was they are instructions to our genes.
Speaker 1:They explain epigenetics all right so they, they're like gene switches. They can they can turn them on and off. Exactly. That's the even crazier thing. They can activate or they can silence. Now nobody can answer how they know which way to go right, not even cabinson, unfortunately. Now we I help, the two professors and myself, we help to put this english book together, which which we talk.
Speaker 1:This is a scientific book I've got it right here well, thank you, I was going to say it's not nighttime reading. So, um, peptides in the epigenetic control of aging. Okay, I think that probably says it all in the title. We've got some public books and I'll show those in a minute. And my first degree was in london and in it was in 1981 and, believe it or not, it was called food and vitamin technology. I think today we call it nutrition.
Speaker 1:Um, but one day the lecturer on the overhead projector because you know, bill Gates was still wearing nappies, then we didn't have any windows or anything and he put up a pie chart and I always remembered it, it's one of those things that just stuck with me. And on this pie chart he had, he said these are typically what you find in food. He said and typically, these are the percentages that you find in food. Okay, now I can't remember all the percentages, but it was x percentage of vitamins, x percentage of minerals, x percentage of fats, okay, but the biggest part of the pie chart was fiber. And I remember having a thought in the classroom on that day, which was and 1981, remember, fiber might be a lot more important than we think, because why is, like, 55 percent of food made up of fiber, right? So that was the thought that was in my head, but I had a second thought, and the second thought was or maybe there's something missing from this chart that we don't know about? So fast forward from 1981 to 2010. And when I heard cavernson say these peptides are in foods and their gene switches, I said that's it.
Speaker 1:Peptides are a part of food that instruct our bodies to activate or silence genes and, of course, the magic thing for them was that, over 40 years from the 1980s, they were experimenting and using these peptides. Yes, they, they started in vitro and they moved on to animals, but they had the most enormous human studies. I mean, I mean, I'm when I say enormous, I'm talking 11 000 people, monitored over 12 years. Right, we don't west what you know, it would never happen. So, um, and of course, initially it was reserved for their elite troops, their cosmonauts and their olympic teams. Okay, that's in the open, that's in the public domain. I'm not, I'm not going to get arrested by MI5. So I'm sure they know all about it anyway. But now, of course, moving fast forward now to modern days, these products have been available in Russian-speaking countries. So I'm talking, yes, russia and Kazakhstan, and the Ukraine and Georgia and Armenia and other places. Right, they've been, they've been on the market and Cavernson personally told me that he estimates they've been dosed over 100 million.
Speaker 1:Wow, and the thing is no serious side effects. Now they use them in clinical applications. They do have them as injections, they have them in skin creams, but as food supplements they're available in capsules. And today, commercially, there are 21 different peptides that are for different organs and tissues, that are for different organs and tissues. So, yes, the liver, the kidney, the adrenal glands, you know. The pancreas, the, the retina, the pineal, the thymus, the thyroid, you know, there are the testes, the ovaries. There's a lot, there's a lot.
Speaker 1:And I'll be honest with you, when I first got into them as supplements, which was probably a couple of years after I met camerson, I was still dubious, I was still thinking, really, you know, and through our network of of, of both patients and doctors, I thought, well, I'll put, I'll inject it to a few people. I know really well, I mean, I say inject, I mean I'll offer it to a few people. I know very well, before I go commercial with this, because I'm just, you know, because I I hate I was, you know, brought up in the same cold war, that you can't trust the Russians. You know, you know the enemy, you know. So there's that prejudice that's always there.
Speaker 1:Um, and I was just gobsmacked the the positive reports that just flowed back were incredible. Well, almost from day one. And now today, fast forward to today, you guys have a Dr, bill Lawrence, who operates in Atlanta, georgia, and he has now something somewhere approaching 300 patients in his clinical studies, nearly all of whom are medical doctors. Don't ask me how that happened, but it's true. And he's got them on a whole bunch and he's he's got them on the original russian protocols and he's monitoring them for all sorts of stuff. And two of the things he's very interested in is telomere length and dna methylation with the so-called horvath clock, which could be the single most important accurate biological age measurement what is that?
Speaker 2:how does that work?
Speaker 1:well, basically, well, I I can't tell you exactly how it works because I'm not into testing myself, but the DNA is changing, like everything else, and it's adapting. All the cells in our body are going through a growth, a static, a dying stage, right, except cancer cells, because they won't stop dying. Right, that's what cancer is. Right, except cancer cells because they won't stop dying. Right, that's what cancer is. But the normal process is is growth and then perhaps a resting period and then apoptosis, where they die. And one of the problems with aging actually is we. We have too many senescent cells floating about as we get older, in other words, dead cells, right. And another big aspect of anti-aging is how do we get rid of the dead cells, right, that's another, another topic. So what Professor Horvath said was that Most by I should start most biological age measurements can be very varied. It could be how elastic is your skin? What's your eyesight like what? How much dhea are your adrenal glands producing, right? Um, it could be very varied. And sometimes you get a marker and they might say to you oh, your biological age for skin elasticity, you're 10 years younger than your chronological age, and you go oh, wonderful, everyone wants to hear that, but you don't want to hear. You're 10 years older, right, or what? Or one year older, for that matter. So there can be quite large variances, but when it comes to dna methylation the variances are really quite small. But what stephen hall vartha has been saying is even a small change could have a big impact. Okay, so even say being one year younger on a DNA methylation, you might think, oh, not very good, I'm 62 and my DNA methylation age is 61. Not that impressed, but it could have a huge impact on longevity.
Speaker 1:And what I find interesting is there are some police forces around the world now who are using this. So they go to a crime scene. They find some blood, let's say, and it's from the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator. What can they tell from the blood? Well, if they haven't got that person's dna on file, they don't know who they are, obviously.
Speaker 1:But they might not. They'll know their blood group, they'll know um, they'll know their sex, they'll know a few basic things. But now, when they use the dna methylation test, they know their age, they know plus or minus six years how old this person is. So suddenly they're going to, they're going to say, right, we're looking for a caucasian male, you know blood group a, who is between 30 and 35 years old. So it's given them a new armory. But you can reverse your dna methylation and that's what bill lawrence has been proving in his patients. But it's not massive amounts, it's not 20 years or anything like that. But, as I've already said, horvath says that even small changes can have and that's in both directions can have significant impact.
Speaker 2:All right, all right. So we've got these bioregulators then in their organ and tissue specific and they can survive the digestive system because they're such short chains of amino acids versus.
Speaker 1:And because they're nano sized, they don't act through a receptor, they act directly on the. Oh, ok, and the Russians have the most incredible. Only time in a lecture hall I had to put 3D glasses on, because they have the most incredible 3D where they show the DNA and they show the peptide. It's almost like a key going in a lock and then a reaction. So yeah, quite incredible. And is that their power?
Speaker 2:Is that they're directly acting with the DNA, versus when we think of like hormones. Those are dealing with a receptor site, so it's sort of an indirect process, exactly.
Speaker 1:How far downstream?
Speaker 2:are you Okay?
Speaker 1:You know these are at the top right and of course, you're very specific. So let's say you've got a kidney issue or you want to support your kidneys, you take the kidney peptides. It's really not going to do anything else. It got and and and. Where it gets really crazy, right? I always use this analogy. Let's say you're a bodybuilder, a male bodybuilder, and once again you want to push your testosterone through the roof and you take the testes peptide and I always tell them won't do anything for you, nothing at all. I said because you've already got too much testosterone in you from other reasons. Right, and that it will know not to activate your own natural production. In fact, it could even negate it. So, but if you want to stay in the normal healthy range, like most people probably do, then it will actually. Somebody once said this to me and I thought, yeah, that's a good way. It's like an adaptogen.
Speaker 1:In fact, I'm gonna throw this theory. I've only said this a couple of times. Why do certain plants act as adaptogens? Question do they contain these peptides? Oh, yeah now they do. They did these because Cavendish did a study. The last thing I saw him do was he showed a study from Tel Aviv where they'd given strawberries certain peptides and those strawberries produced 20 to 30 percent more fruit than the same strawberries that weren't given the peptides. So these peptides are universal. They are in plants, they are in animals, they are in us fascinating.
Speaker 2:So what like, what kinds of? I know you mentioned like testosterone, but like if somebody is having, we have to be careful on how we like express this, because root cause healing is something very different than, like we mentioned, the one pill for one ill symptom model. But if somebody is having a specific you know, like you said, a kidney problem or let's use menopause as the example the ovaries are struggling as a woman enters her 40s and beyond. What can taking, say, the ovarian bioregulator, do for somebody who's not optimal in that sense?
Speaker 1:bioregulator do for somebody who's not optimal in that sense. In cases of real issues, it's often best to, of course, combine some more peptides. It's not normally one peptide is going to just do that. So let's take the ladies and the menopause as an example. One of the things that's well known, of course, is that that the ladies adrenal glands get overworked as a compensation. So I would say to those ladies make sure you take the adrenal peptide right to support your adrenals. You don't want them burnt out right, um. And you could also, of course, take the ovarian, the ovary peptide, and what it will do is it will help you to generate some more estrogens and progesterone and, um, I have heard of a few cases of um bleeding starting again. Okay, now, some ladies love that, some ladies hate that, but, but you pay your money. It takes a choice.
Speaker 2:On that note, I'll just say, like that's a marker of youthfulness. I really I have a hard time understanding the women who are like so grateful for it to be over, like we're just we're, we're welcoming the aging process at that point.
Speaker 1:Like I'm like, let's hang on to this as long as we possibly can. So no, it's such an obvious anti aging effect, isn't it? I mean?
Speaker 2:it's your body saying we're still young and fertile.
Speaker 1:And of course, that's also helpful for those people who haven't given up on wanting children, which is an enormous problem. Today, right, infertility clinics are popping up all over the place, you know so, for both men and women, of course. Over the place, you know so, for both men and women, of course. Um, so yeah, so that would. So we have actually published a little bit on this. We put about 20 problems down and professor cavernson gave us three peptides for each one. There was one peptide that was synergistic every single time, and that's the blood vessel time. Okay, now that's perhaps not the world's biggest surprise, because if you're improving blood flow, you're improving the supply of material nutrition and the removal of waste. So that's pretty obvious, perhaps. But but so that? So somebody with menopause problems? Probably three peptides. You're probably looking at adrenal, ovary and blood vessel. So that's pretty typical, and I can talk about dosages in a minute.
Speaker 1:Of course, it's always good to work with a health professional. There may be aspects, and there's something also I should also mention, and I like using the thyroid as an example, because it's quite an easy one to take and a lot of people have fire problems older people, right, it's common, as as adrenals are as well. That's common too, and there are some peptides where people are on for one or two or three months and they come back and they go wow, it's really making a difference. And I would suggest that the adrenals and the thyroids are two of them, and so most people are hypothyroid. In other words, they're not quite producing enough thyroid hormones. One caveat here you have to have the gland. If you've ever had a thyroidectomy and your gland's been removed, don't bother with the peptide.
Speaker 2:Because the peptide's just supplying information to the organ, so if the organ's not there, it can't supply the information.
Speaker 1:As a man they are my pronouns, which is why I've got this beard um, um, you know, I can't. There's no point in me taking the ovary I haven't got one, it's not gonna do nothing. And, eugen, there's no point in me taking the ovary I haven't got one, it's not gonna do nothing. And you, jen, there's no point in you taking the testes or the prostate one, right? So we'll just get that out of the way. I'll skip those ones. So save your money, right? So? But take the thyroid as an example. Um, if you if, as I say, you don't you need that, you need the gland in the first place. Um, if you're hypothyroid, it will help you make more thyroid hormones.
Speaker 1:And, principally, there are four t1, t2, 333, although I know only two are focused on t3, forget about the other two but, really weirdly, if you're hyperthyroid because you've got too much thyroid going on, it would deactivate, silence the genes and actually bring your levels down. That's where it gets really weird and crazy. Um, but that's just the way it is and of course, you can add, uh, other other things into the mix if you, if you so wished. What was I going to say about that? Because thyroid is quite easy to work out. How you're doing, all you do is you take your temperature first thing in the morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think most people know that, though it's literally the thermostat of the body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is Absolutely, and it's involved in so many things sleep and energy and well-being and all sorts of stuff. But you know, I often meet people and I shake their hands and you've got cold hands and we're not. It's not a cold environment, you know, it's whatever. Yeah, I've always got cold hands and feet. I said, if you check your thyroid out, it's a classic symptom, absolute classic symptom.
Speaker 1:But you can just get up in the morning, take your temperature and don't do that just once, you know. Do it several times and look at what number comes up the most. There'll be small differences but you'll be amazed how close they are. Now I'm going to talk celsius. So anyone that's using fahrenheit, get the camera out. Your healthy thyroid is between 36.3 and 36.7 celsius. Right, if you're between those numbers regularly, well done. But if you're under thirty six, point three, and you might even be in the thirty fives, you're hypothyroid. You need a boost, right.
Speaker 1:But remember one thing yes, the peptide will give the instructions, but it will still require the materials. Think of it like a building site. You go to the building site and the workmen are there. The gaffer, the boss, he hasn't turned up, so there's no one to give them instructions. So they're standing there with the cement and the sand and what have you, but there's no one there to instruct, so the job don't get done, right? You've seen the link I'm making here between the peptide and DNA, instructor and materials and and, conversely, maybe the boss turns up with the plans but the guys aren't there with the cement and the sand and all that, so he can't do it. So in the case of the of the thyroid just to come back to that one you know I would also always, I would still recommend you eat an iodine rich diet, okay, because that's a principal material that the body will use to make thyroid hormones. So now you've got instructions and you've got materials. Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2:So just bear that in mind it's a hand in glove situation. Yeah, we've got. We've got the blueprints and the building materials and that's exactly that.
Speaker 1:But also, you can be very specific with this. You know this. This is a target shoot approach. This is not a shotgun approach. You know and and but of course, you first. But it doesn't really matter what you do, whether it's exercise, eating, food, taking vitamin c you have to sit down and say what are my weak points? That's the place you have to start. Otherwise, what are you going to do everything? Yeah, you're not. Cost and convenience rules everything in this world. So what am I weak? And I say to people listen, do you know what your weak points are? Yeah, adrenal glands aren't that good or whatever. Fine, great, you've got somewhere to start. That's terrific. If you don't go and find out, go and have some tests, go and speak to professionals or, failing that, what? What about family history? What did mom and dad die of? What did grandparents die of? Right, maybe there's some clues in the family history that you're going to say yeah, that's where I need to focus. So, but start there.
Speaker 2:If somebody is already feeling pretty good and doing all the things right they've got their diet dialed in, they're active and they just, they just want to live their best life and maintain this and improve it as long as they possibly can what would be like your top three bioregulators for them?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, no, certainly I, and I do have an answer for that, and my answer is based on the very long-term russian studies that were done in thousands and thousands of people, and what they showed was that the folks who took and we'll get to what they are in a second, folks that took certain peptides, compared to the controls, their counterparts who did not, but were taking vitamins as a placebo, yeah Right, they had one third of the morbidity, one third and one third of the mortality.
Speaker 1:That's a huge number, huge, absolutely huge. So imagine that you take the peptides you've got 66 percent reduction in the chance of having a disease and, and what's more, you've got a 66 percent chance of not dying right so, um or thereabouts, and cavenson referred it as the biological reserve.
Speaker 1:He said every cell has a 30 to 40 percent biological reserve in it and that what the peptides are doing is they're, as they're, encouraging it, activating it. So it's, it's just sitting there dormant until they get an instruction, basically, and that kind of pans out slightly in in the average age, doesn't it? If the average age of death in the western world now is 80, yeah, they're about, and but we know that people could live to 120. You know, we're still talking about 30, 40 percent, which I might just be a coincidence, could be, of course, right. But so come back to your question. Sorry, um, there are three, I think, that stand out. One is the pineal, um, and I think principally, it would encourage your pineal gland to make more melatonin. That would be nice. Okay, that goes down with aging anyway. I know you guys can go and buy it from Walmarts very cheaply, but if you want to endogenously, naturally help your pineal to make more melatonin, you can use a pineal peptide. And also I think that is the one most responsible for elongating the telomeres. Okay, so that's another reason you'd want that one. The second one is the thymus, because by invigorating your thymus and actually making it help to expand with. It's a known fact that you can. Actually there's a guy called dr greg farhi who showed that by using growth hormone, I think that he could stop the involution of the thymus and encourage more production of um, of uh, thymic hormones, which are actually peptides. By the way, it's a kind of weird way it produces 13 thymic hormones which are actually peptides, uh, but, of course, a big boost for immunity.
Speaker 1:If there's two things in this world if we want to really have in my opinion that's the caveat, folks, it's my opinion if we want to have extreme longevity longevity sorry, I slipped up there, you know, with good health there are two things in this world we have to conquer. I think, yeah, cancer and immunity, infections, sepsis, stuff like that. Right, because what we've got, the tools we've got today, are not that effective, right, really they're not that effective and some of those conditions, particularly sepsis, can take people out in days. Yeah, right, listen, heart disease still remains just the number one killer and, of course, the problem with the heart disease is you feel fine in the morning and you're dead in the afternoon, right, whereas cancers generally creep up on you and you usually got a chance of treating them. Exactly, I accept that.
Speaker 1:And the third one? So we've got the pineal, we've got the thymus, and the third one is blood vessels. So, if you think about it, what are you doing? You're elongating your telomeres. You're giving yourself better sleep, because everybody makes that mistake about melatonin it does not put you to sleep, it is not a sleeping tablet. However, when you are asleep, you will have much better, deeper sleep, and that's where all the repair goes on. So, and then you've got your thymus, so you're boosting your natural immunity to infections. And then you've got your blood vessel, which means you're delivering nutrition better to your cells and removing toxins better for yourselves. So, in my opinion, those are three that everyone really should think about, if they, if they haven't got any other issues on top of that.
Speaker 1:What are doses? Well, of course, when you get into medical, generally speaking, I'm going to do the 80 20 rule, right? So, because there's always exceptions, um, so the 80 20 rule. If you've got a problem, take two capsules a day. Don't stop. Well, don't stop, at least until you see improvements. Right, that's simple. If you have a mild problem, take two capsules a day for 10 days every month. Okay, that's all. You do not need to keep repeat, repeat, repeat, because we're just, we're just re-saturating the tissues with these signaling molecules.
Speaker 2:right, okay, exactly.
Speaker 1:I should point out at this stage that there are two types of these peptides. There are synthetic versions and there are natural versions. The only ones I've been dealing with are natural versions. There's I've got nothing against the synthetic versions, but there's a known fact the synthetic versions, when you take them, they don't last as long.
Speaker 2:When you take the natural versions, they last longer and and these are being synthesized from animal tissues, correct?
Speaker 1:In the main, yes, in the main, but there's always exceptions, but, yes, it's normally pigs or cows, normally.
Speaker 1:Of course, the synthetic ones can be other sources more often, but the natural ones come with their own matrix, so this is only something I've really latched on to fairly recently. So, actually, what we're looking at when we have the naturally extracted peptides yes, that will have the peptide made up of two, three or four, in some cases up to six amino acids, but there could be another dozen or so amino acids in, refer to that as the matrix, and I think that explains there, from ground zero, as it were, why they last longer. Okay, okay, and now, if you're a really fit person, you know, and you're doing really really well, you could even reduce that dose. Two capsules a day, 10 days every three months, right? So now you might be looking at 80 capsules a year, and that really also makes them very different to anything else out there. Right? If you're into vitamin C, you know you have to take it every day, right, absolutely. But with these peptides you could use them as little as every three months.
Speaker 2:And that makes them a very affordable therapy as well.
Speaker 1:It does, it does. If you want to get into pricing, it's not really what I do, but to give folks out there because there are some enormously expensive things out there. I'm not going to mention names, but some of them are hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month or even thousands of dollars a month. Names, but some of them are hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month or even thousands of dollars a month. What you're looking at with these peptides typically is about $40 a box. So a box is either going to last you a month, three months or, if you're doing it absolutely every day, then you're going to need three boxes. So it's going to cost you at worst $120 a month, at best $160 a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's incredible. I think the power behind these and the fact that they are you can take them almost just as a dietary supplement versus the peptides, are incredible, especially if you know for anybody who's listening, who's had digestive issues and those ones that there's a lot of peptides in that realm that actually are oral, orally dosed, that work quite well. The power of these things, you know, and I think the slowness and the pushback we're seeing is big pharma is trying to figure out how they can corner the market on this. You know we're seeing that in the weight loss peptides in particular. But I think there are powers that be in that realm that understand how powerful these therapies are and they want to make the money.
Speaker 1:There are lots of people in the natural nutritional world who are almost waiting for this to happen. Um, there are people pushing the envelope a bit too hard. I think some of the american peptides are injection only as soon as you put, you could put vitamin C in a vial. If you call it injection, that's a drug right. So certain people are not going to be very happy about that and also some of them believe it or not. On the actual label will say research only, not for human use.
Speaker 2:Great.
Speaker 1:I don't subscribe to that. I don't think that's the right way to do anything. But that's why we've been sticking with the naturals, because we have a very good argument to say this is extract of pig, Ergo it is a food.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and I think that makes it also an incredible starting point for anybody who is curious about the power of peptides but is maybe trepidatious about the injectable stuff.
Speaker 1:Can I just?
Speaker 2:point out something, Jen, if you don't mind.
Speaker 1:I mean, there might be vegetarians out there or Muslims or Jews who might say, well, I don't want this, or muslims or jews who might say, well, I don't want this. Um, the, the process of extraction, um, and the correct term is denatures them, so much, okay, and and there's no chance of getting any diseases because the molecules are nano sized. You can only get a disease from an animal with a dalton size molecule. It's much, much bigger. And the process of which, of what of the, the peptides are extracted, is filtration principally, um, so there's no chance of getting diseases. Don't start thinking mad sure, sure anything like that.
Speaker 1:But actually a lot of countries have accepted that because there is no actual tissue in the peptide and because there is no actual DNA in the peptide. Even the United Arab Emirates ie Dubai has accepted them on the market. Yeah, because they've said oh yeah, we know it started from a pig or whatever, but actually there is no pig left in it. I'm a pig or whatever, but actually there is no pig left in it. So there, listen, that's people for their own personal choice, but I just thought it was worth mentioning.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm a big proponent of no cital eating. I spent 26 years as a vegetarian, which did not do my body any favors. Um, and we were kind of talking about, you know, earlier, studying different peoples of the world to understand, you know, what removing modern life would actually yield for us. And the Weston A Price Foundation is amazing.
Speaker 1:Weston A Price was a dentist who traveled the world and went to so many different indigenous. Yeah, I know it's amazing.
Speaker 2:Just amazing and I think you know, maybe this is part of getting you know. He said I'm we're sorry to say getting getting back to our true nature and how we were intended to to eat and wasn't it western price when?
Speaker 1:because when was he around? It was quite a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the early part and he went out to some native tribes I can't remember where they were and he realized because they were eating the necks of the animals. Yeah, none of them had thyroid problems. Right, and again, come back to why. Well, maybe, listen. Organ extracts have been around since the year dot. We all know, and they still have value there's, and we all know that even eating organ meats you know that eating a liver or something can, can benefit people, but it may also be that they're ingesting peptides.
Speaker 1:But of course, we've moved in the modern world. We've become so fussy, haven't we? Organ meats? I'm not going to eat a kidney or a liver or or any of these things, you know. And I, I only eat the white meat of a chicken. You know what are we missing out on? Our forebears? They had to, as as a matter of course. They had to eat the whole animal, make a soup out of it, use the bones, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you know what benefits were they doing for themselves in terms of that health, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:And I think this is where, like maybe the time-honored traditions of those, those nutritional and dietary practices, is meeting modern western technology.
Speaker 1:Well, not even western technology, but um modern technology there's a guy in london, his name's professor paul clayton. He's a serious man. He was head of the Royal College of Medicine for many years. He did a study you can look him up and he did a study some years ago where he went in, him and his university students. They went into the London libraries because we've got good records going back to you know, 1800 and frozen stiff.
Speaker 1:So he was able to extract a lot of data and he came to a shocking conclusion, and that was that mid-Victorians and these were people that were living sort of 1830 to 1850, that sort of time period, providing they got through their childhood, right, because a lot of childhood deaths, of course in those days they lived as long as us and everyone thinks, no, there can't be, because the longevity curve is going up. Well, not anymore, it isn't, it's actually starting to plateau. But but there wasn't. There was a blip and then it went down and then it rise up. So he came to a number of conclusions why did the mid-victorians, why would they and why was this? Why then was there a dip from sort of 1860 onwards and then come out?
Speaker 1:Well, that's when industrialization started, and the uk, as you know, was the first country to industrialize. And so if you were in 1830 um, there were no gym memberships in 1830, right? Um, because you had to walk everywhere, unless you're a rich man and you owned a horse, you walked everywhere all the time. A docker, a manual laborer on the docks, was expected to work six days a week, would only get sunday off, right, and they were expected to move two tons a day, right, physical work was incredible. Um, the clerics, uh, go to dickens. They were called computers, um, okay, so what we had? You had white collar workers in those days. Well, yeah, nobody sat down, they stood behind their desks and also, they had these huge heavy ledgers to carry and they'd go and they'd copy, you know. So that's so even they would do. And of course, they'd still walk to work and walk home again. So they were quite physically fit. And then the food well, everybody was eating organic right it's pretty obvious, everybody was eating with the seasons.
Speaker 1:You know, you couldn't. You couldn't actually bring strawberries in from bolivia, you know, or whatever. So, um, and also, how did they cook? They could not cook at high temperatures. They had what we call a Dutch oven. It's basically a slow cooker. So the meats and things like that, it was like doing a casserole. You know, everything was slow cooked and not at high temperatures. So well, so what? Well, you don't break the bonds, you don't lose as much nutrition. You know, if you want to zap your food in a microwave, well, good luck. But you know, just be aware of what you're doing. Slow cooked food is a good way to go. So all these things mount up and gave them the same age of death as we have today. Right?
Speaker 2:and I think too in the in the terms of like. So many people make the argument that people are living longer today. It's the average that's longer today. But when we factor in childhood deaths and accidents and what we now call infectious disease and that's a little bit more complicated than what modern entities are having us believe those are the things that are bringing the average down. But the longevity capacity that those people have may have been longer than what we are now because they weren't dealing with the chronic diseases that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1:There are still reports of Roman senators living well into their 90s and even 100s. You know, extreme longevity has been around since recorded time. Ok, you could say the numbers are greater, but then the whole population is greater.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So as a percentage of the population. You know it's which way you look at the statistics. I think. But, um, no, there's a lot. I'm a firm believer. I don't think we're going to cheat death. I don't believe. And I think people who get hooked up I don't want to wake up every morning thinking, am I gonna, am I going to see the next day? I think that's pretty psychologically a bad place to be. Um, let's make the best of our time, but I do believe we can live much longer and in a decent I. I say to everybody my goal is three things lucid, agile, independent. Listen, I know there are people out there who want to look like brad pitt or angelina Jolie, and good luck to them. Personally, I'm not into tattoos, but you know that's fine If that's, if that's your goal, then fine. But really, when you ask anybody who's of extreme age, what do you wish you had? It's generally those three things. I wish my memory I could have.
Speaker 1:I wish I was agile enough that I could go backwards and forwards to the toilet and not ask somebody to help me in bed and blah, blah blah.
Speaker 2:It gets very basic right. Absolutely so, wouldn't that be wonderful. Absolutely I'm with you um before we wrap up, I know you've got some good information on the pineal gland and studies that have been done on melatonin and I'll just say kind of back to our water conversation. I don't know what the water quality is like in the UK, but in the US most municipal water supplies are fluorinating the water and that's a huge problem, particularly for the pineal gland and the calcification of it.
Speaker 2:So that on of itself is a good reason to get a good water filter, use a good source of spring water, and we know that the pineal drawing from Eastern traditions, we know that the pineal gland is representative of the third eye and of our physical connection to source, if you want to call it that, yeah, what are some other advantages to say, using one of these pineal gland bioregulators and its potential for maybe even things we don't understand yet. But we can measure the melatonin stuff maybe even things we don't understand yet.
Speaker 1:But we can measure the melatonin stuff. Well, the pineal is a very weird gland, if I can call it that. It's it's if you, if you, the bindu is the Hindu mark in the, in the. So if you were to draw a straight line from the bindu to back over the top of your ears, the center of your brain, that's the, the pineal gland, right in the center of the brain, it's about pea sized. Um, so it's not big, it's not very big. It does produce some other strange chemical like dmt and some other strange stuff.
Speaker 1:Um, everyone knows I think about melatonin in response to darkness. The russian studies, more russian studies, have shown that there are crystals within it that react to lunar light. And when you think about it, our forebears, they've just been roaming across the plains and they've been eating some berries. They found on a bush and now night's come and they haven't got back to the cave, so we better have a kip under this tree. It's pretty obvious. The lunar light and the star light. We didn't want it impacting our sleep, so it doesn't. But of course other sunlight does, of course. So the moment you get out of bed and you open the curtains and the sun comes in. That's when your melatonin levels come right down out of your blood. Okay, there are other lights in the bedroom, of course, that are really bad news, like, especially, um, red lights. So if you've got any flashing, blinking fire alarms or whatever it is, take them up, because they they will destroy your own natural production of melatonin. The only other way around them, of course, is to wear a blindfold. You know, if your partner insists on reading a book, watching tv, then you have to wear a blindfold or leave the bedroom. That's the only other way.
Speaker 1:So there's some really strange stuff about the pineal gland and, as I've said to you I think I alluded earlier, people like Walter Pierpoli think it's a counter, so it could be a death clock. Oh great, one, two, three, four, it could be. It's only a theory. So, no matter what state you're in, and there are instances of people who are seemingly very healthy who suddenly check out and die in two or three weeks, and you think, well, how did that happen? You know, so that's a nasty one. But you know, if there is a counter, maybe you can delay it, maybe you can slow it down, maybe you can reverse it. We don't know, of course. So, um, what else can we say about the pineal gland caught me up.
Speaker 1:If anyone wants to get in a little bit more on the, obviously I would suggest you read books by walter pierre paulie. But we did write two books about the peptide for the public this one here on amazon, of course, peptide bioregulator revolution. We came up with that russian poster for it. That gives you the background to get into this. And then we produced another one, although it's not just peptides, it's other things. We call this one the eyesight saviors, but there's a whole chapter in there on how peptides are really helping with serious eye problems, eyesight problems and that's a big one.
Speaker 2:I mean, that is, that is the one place whereas people start aging. You know, you notice that hands up.
Speaker 1:Who wants to lose their eyesight?
Speaker 1:no I don't think so I'm talking of all the senses, if we, if, if some bizarre situation, they said I'm, but you're going to have to lose one sense. What do you want? Do you want to be taste, smell, sites? Nobody's going to say site isn't going to be on the bloody list, is it?
Speaker 1:But so there's a lady and her name is professor Svetlana, and she runs the tree of life clinic in St Petersburg and she specializes in eyesight, okay, and she uses a lot of the peptides and they. They treat all kinds of things. They cataract, macular degeneration, etc. Um, glaucoma, um, but she treats one thing that, thankfully, is rare but to the best of our knowledge, there is not another place in the world that can do it and it's called retinitis pigmentosa and it's a genetic disease and you basically go blind, it just gradually go blind, and I've seen, um, uh, topological in fact they're in the book photographs. I should really find them.
Speaker 1:So what you're looking at, you'd be looking at the back of an eye, like that, and the colors would indicate how the eyesight was. So if it was green, normal. If it was yellow, impaired. If it was red, poor, really poor. If it was red, poor, really poor. If it was black, none right. So there's now. You know, whatever you're treating in this world, the longer you wait to treat it, the less likely you get a good outcome. You know, if you're on the path to alzheimer's, you don't really wait 30 years when you've now got it extreme, to do something about it. Right, it's true of everything, but there was one lady that she and she's not the only one, but there's one lady in particular. I can't she quite only can't remember her precise age, but when they did the initial scan she was like 90 percent blind, 90% blind in that eye. So when you saw this, it was virtually all black, some red, some yellow, right, she?
Speaker 1:If I remember rightly, she went on a combination of peptides. I will admit some of these were injected. There's a retina peptide right now. In this case they injected it into the orbit. So this is the the bit around the eye, not into the eye but into the skin, subcutaneously, little pinpricks like that do about a dozen, and that happened over 10 days and then she came back, I think six months later, and then, while she was away from the clinic, they would give her a number of oral peptides to take her home. Okay, I think it was about two years 18 months to two years, if I remember rightly and they re-scanned her and she went from being 90 percent blind to 30 percent blind. Right now that may not sound to some people out there as the miracle cure they all expecting, but the fact that somebody can reverse retinitis anybody out there with retinitis pigmentosa they probably want to get themselves on a plane to saint bruceburg, um, because there's no other place in the world that can do that and that's peptides it's I.
Speaker 2:We're just on the brink, you know, I think some people think it looks just like trendy at this point because it's newer to most of us. But the potential for what these molecules have to do is just you know.
Speaker 1:And if it can put big pharma out of a certain amount of business, I'm all for that as well, but um a lot of what I face is when I come up with new stuff, they say well, yeah, phil, but you know you've got to wait and see. You know how safe it is. The only time that you can speed it up, as if it's called a vaccine, but the um. So I say yeah, yeah, yeah. But I said, just remember one thing the russians have got data, got data since the 1980s and they've got a lot of data and thankfully now much of it is in English. Not all of it, I'll admit that, not all of it, but you know. So actually you can say it's been used on millions of people, people over decades and there's never been any serious side effects. So you know what are you worried about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. And thankfully we've now got American doctors like Bill Lawrence, who are you and his other doctors in his network, who are using them. So, and that gets rid of that Cold War. You can't trust the.
Speaker 2:Russians Right right.
Speaker 1:I often say well, you don't trust the Russians. Do you trust the Americans? Right? Trust the Russians. I often say, well, you don't trust the Russians, do you trust the Americans Right? Normally stops that argument anyway.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I wanted to touch on one other thing with the pineal gland and the melatonin. I think there was a study I've heard you talk about with cancer and using large amounts of melatonin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is American, pure American. There was a professor can't remember his first name, reiter with an R, r-e-i-t-e-r German way, professor Reiter, from America, and he and his team discovered that tumors only grow in the daytime. They do not grow at nighttime. So that's interesting. So why? So the most obvious answer was is it melatonin? Because melatonin is only present in the blood in darkness. There's very little melatonin in blood. Inin is only present in the blood in darkness. There's very little melatonin in blood in daylight. So is it? Is it that? Could it be that?
Speaker 1:So a number of guys, uh, foremost led by a um, frank schallenberger dr frank schallenberger, again, look up frank, he's on youtube, uh, and he has a clinic in um Carson City I think Pretty sure it's Nevada anyway and he started following Professor Wright's work and he started giving his patients somewhere between 180 and 240 milligrams of melatonin in the daytime. Now anybody who's tried melatonin out there might say yeah, yeah, I took six milligrams and I would say the average dose is around three milligrams. Most folks who go to bed want to improve their sleep. Blah, blah, three, that's what I take.
Speaker 1:I take three milligrams you might take six, but I really doubt if you take much more than that. Some people take only one, which I think is a bit. It depends how old you are, right, depends on a number of things, but I think that's a bit personally. But so to suddenly start saying what? 60 milligram capsules which is what they are, and they take one in the morning, one in the afternoon, one in the evening and then sometimes one at bed as well, you think, well, why aren't they zonked out? Because a lot of people who overdose on melatonin. So I feel real drowsy in the morning.
Speaker 1:There's a real simple way to cure that go outside and get some sunshine and it'll clear up real quick. Go and have your coffee in the garden, right, um, it'll clear up real quick. Um, there are things that suppress melatonin production. I just mentioned one, actually, which is coffee, but that's another another story. And also, really, conversely, the more sunshine and the more vitamin d you make in the day, the more melatonin you'll produce at night. That's another one. Um, so what frank and his people have been doing? They've been giving their patients very high dosages of melatonin and my understanding is they have slowed down. I wish I could put my hand on my heart and say they've got rid of all the tumors. But my understanding is that they've dramatically slowed the rate of cancer down and maybe in some cases have stopped the growth of the tumor. So that's a step in the right direction so you know.
Speaker 1:So how. And again, not only is it simple, but, as you well know, melatonin is cheap right right. So as long as you get a good quality one, of course I would. I would say but, um know, go and look up Frank Schallenberger, and you know, I did say to him once. I said to him I said, Frank, you're the biggest name in anti-aging. And he said thank you, Phil. I said it's 17 letters, isn't it? Yes, he has a long name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, I think that speaks volumes. Yeah, you know, I think you know. This is kind of how we started off this conversation, but I think the struggle with where we are at this point in time is empowering people with the knowledge and curiosity of how their own bodies work, and what you just stated is, I think, a wonderful testament to what supporting your own pineal gland can do in the long term yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:It's a pain in the ass because or us, if you prefer, because you know we're all busy leading our lives. Whatever you do in your life, whether you're an architect or you know, a chef or I don't know, whatever your formula one driver, whatever you do in your life, that's your life. You've got your families, you've got your friends, you've got all those things around, and the last thing you want to do is go and learn something that is not in your field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, because health and medicine is a field, of course, in its in its own right, but unfortunately, because it's the most important thing we've all got, because if we haven't got our health, what do we have exactly? I always liken it to when you get on an aircraft and they say to you if these masks fall down, put yours on first before helping others, because obviously, if you haven't got low oxygen, that's understand and I say that's what health is.
Speaker 1:You have to keep your health, because if you don't keep your health, how can you help those around you?
Speaker 2:exactly so well. Fantastic, this has been a great conversation. We'll probably have to have you back again sometime, but I think this is a good primer on peptides and bioregulators and I hope that our listeners can take the information that they learned here, maybe lean into a little more curiosity about it to see how they can optimize their own health span as well as increase their longevity. So hopefully it'll take some of that information away from them. Phil, where can people find you online and if they want to explore bioregulators more, sure, our number one website is anti-aging-systemscom.
Speaker 1:We've got loads on there because that site's been up since 96, uh, so you won't just find peptides on there. You're going to find a lot of other stuff. But if you use a search engine and look up peptide bioregulators, you'll get into that. If that's only what you want to construct, a lighter site that we offer free of charge is our magazine site, which is called aging-matterscom and you can have a free subscription. And if you want to download digital copies, they're free of charge. And again, we've got 10 years worth of magazines on there and you can search, and obviously some of the magazines have featured strongly featured peptides. So you'll see me interview um, and we have a youtube channel which is um, uh, what is it? Anti systems. And you'll see me interview people, and you know, and in the magazine I do, you know, I've interviewed Bill Lawrence, I've interviewed Vladimir Kavinson, I've interviewed Svetlana Trofimov and other people. So you'll find a lot in there. So, because all this is a learning curve, I know that, you know.
Speaker 2:I think that's the biggest obstacle is just providing the education and people getting really curious about their own bodies and having an awareness about it.
Speaker 1:No, I totally agree and, as I say, it's a. It's a pain in the ass because you think I've got to take time out of what I normally do to go and learn this, but but you're going to hear a lot more about this. We're just cresting a wave at the moment. It's it's going to start popping up all over the place, I think absolutely, absolutely well.
Speaker 2:We'll include those in the show notes and I so appreciate you taking time out of your busy day to to come and share your knowledge and expertise all right pleasure, no problem, thank you.