The Thick Of It v Peep Show
Will 'The Thick of It' outmanoeuvre 'Peep Show' in a clash of comedic titans? The heat is on in the quarterfinals of our World Cup Sitcom Cup, Join us as we dissect the latest matchups that have left some fan favourites in the dust.
Feel the pulse of the competition as we thank the ever-growing legions of listeners who've cast their decisive votes. Get our exclusive take on the dark horse victories and surprising support for some of the small screen's biggest hits. We'll also give you a sneak peek at the titanic tussles still to come, including the highly anticipated face-off between Phoenix Knights and Father Ted, and the Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant derby. So get ready, and prepare for an episode that's as packed with laughs and insights as the sitcoms we're celebrating.
The Thick Of It v Peep Show
Will 'The Thick of It' outmanoeuvre 'Peep Show' in a clash of comedic titans? The heat is on in the quarterfinals of our World Cup Sitcom Cup, Join us as we dissect the latest matchups that have left some fan favourites in the dust.
Feel the pulse of the competition as we thank the ever-growing legions of listeners who've cast their decisive votes. Get our exclusive take on the dark horse victories and surprising support for some of the small screen's biggest hits. We'll also give you a sneak peek at the titanic tussles still to come, including the highly anticipated face-off between Phoenix Knights and Father Ted, and the Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant derby. So get ready, and prepare for an episode that's as packed with laughs and insights as the sitcoms we're celebrating.
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to Living with Maidly. This is a Nostalgic TV podcast and we're in the middle of our World Cup sitcom World Cup cup, where we're going to try in the middle of the world cup that over. There is lyndon donovan and my name is amadeus amadeus. My name is andrew easily, and we're at the quarterfinal stage of our sitcom World Cup, trying to find the best sitcom of the last 30 years. And this is the quarterfinals.
Speaker 3:Liam, yeah, we are the original L Dude Brothers, but we'll come on to the ones that followed us after that. Yeah, we're into the quarters. Interesting voting last week.
Speaker 4:Really interesting.
Speaker 1:You've just come back from Turkey haven't you, you've just come back from Turkey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was keeping an eye on the votes as I was jet setting around the med but, yeah, one particular interesting one coming up but this one, I think both of these got through comfortably, am I right in saying?
Speaker 2:these two did get through comfortably. So the quarter finals are today. We're going Thick of it versus Peep Show. These two not surprised really. I think Thick of it had a really hard one with the Royal Family, but it did get through fairly easily. In the end. The Royal Family were winning for a little bit, but Thick of it pretty much dominated, to be completely honest, and it's a shame for the Royal Family to bow out at such an early stage.
Speaker 3:I think Liam yeah, and I think once something's gone, we think once something's gone we're allowed to sort of reveal our thoughts a little bit. So yeah, for me that I have to say that would have featured quite highly. I I haven't seen as much the thick of it, watched a bit more of it for this quarterfinal so I now see more of the strength of the thick of it. So I can, I can see why some of the voting was done that way. But yeah, I was disappointed to lose the royal family and thanks to everyone who voted again.
Speaker 2:by the way, we got more votes this time than last time, which were great. So yeah, 61%, it got the thick of it. 38% for Royal Family and Peep Show, 85% and only 14% for Max and Paddy Whitewash.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I suppose I can see that I mean a lot more serious Peep Show, so a lot more to it, a lot more chance to grab fans. And I think, yeah, max andi Perry was great, but it was short-lived and it was always sort of the little brother to Phoenix Knights really.
Speaker 2:Well, talking of Phoenix Knights, the next one. So what we're doing here is we're just going to cover the thick of it and people show we're going to go through an episode of each and we're going to be Phoenix Knights versus Father Ted, which I think is the bigger. To be honest, I think that's a real tough one. We've got the Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant Darby, which is extras versus the Office. You'd have thought the Office but you know extras has got through every group fairly easily. I thought it were a tough one up against Dark Place and it easily got through. And then we've got Gavin and Stacey, which is, despite all the criticism, the amount of people who say fucking hell, gavin and Stacey is shit, it's shit, it keeps getting through. You keep voting for it and it got through. But this is brilliant this. So we're up against Chelsea London, 50.3% against 49.7%.
Speaker 3:it got through, yeah, because it did actually show up as 50-50, but from our account you could get specific voting. So yeah, that's how close it was.
Speaker 2:Really really close. And the last one, I'm Alan Portridge. Yeah, gavin Isayas versus I'm Alan Portridge. I'm Alan Portridge beating the in-betweeners Huge 61% to 39% as well, so you were comfortable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was, Although we have people who are very passionate in our friendship group who weren't happy with that.
Speaker 2:Tend to be the younger chaps I would say Well Travelling. You know, he says that's it. He's not listening to any more. Yeah, we've lost him. Yeah, we've lost him. We've lost him as a but that's what's going to happen, you know. If you don't mobilise your vote, it's like an election.
Speaker 3:so that's what's good and also what's interesting is there's an option now, because what we're doing in the semi-finals? We're going to cast our eye, our comedy expertise, over them and actually critique them a little bit. So yeah might be. Actually, if you don't like something might be worth voting for it so you can watch us tear it down in the semis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you've got any things, the ones that get through to the semi-finals let us know what you don't like about them. So then you can keep listening and we can. You can be savage, right. So today, thick of it versus Peep Show. I'm going to do the Thick of it and the episode that I've chosen is Series 3, episode 5. The reason I chose this it's hard on this because I think you arguably remember scenes and quotes rather than storylines and episodes with the thick of it, and this one, to be fair, I picked it out because it was the highest rated episode on imbd, right? So essentially, the story uh of this one is um mps and political opponents, nicola murray and peter manion, um labor and conservatives. They never actually say they're Labour and Conservatives, but they are Nicola Murray's Labour, peter Mannion's Conservative.
Speaker 3:Just by the way, sorry, before you get too far into it I thought that was clever because I've watched various episodes of it and I never really realised until I was watching it for this podcast. I couldn't figure out which was which. There were times when I thought, ah right, so which was which. There were times when I thought, ah right, so they're supposed to be Labour. But then there were times when I challenged it and I think, yeah, probably cleverly written in that sense to say maybe they're all just the same at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:All the same, it follows the actual what happened in real life. So there's Series 4, which is the one after this. Labour obviously lost the election at the same time and they're out of office. Nicola murray's party, you know malcolm tucker's part and they're their opposition. But in this one peter manion is the opposition part, as I say, you know part of the um conservative party. So he starts with richard. Bacon comes in to meet them all. Um, because they're going on radio five live to talk about fat cat city bonuses. Um, and I love this. Straight away there immediately becomes clear that Bacon knows Peter Manion a lot more than Nicola, to the point where he evidently doesn't even remember meeting Nicola. And he's like Peter Manion's great here. He's like a proper charmer and I just think from these opening exchanges from Bacon I'd like to go for a pint with Peter Manion. He's got a fantastic voice.
Speaker 3:He did Sarah and Duck that I watched with, particularly Tilly when she was little. It came out on BBC and he's got such a sort of nice soothing voice. Roger Allen yeah, fantastic, fantastic voice. Yeah, you're right, it's done really well actually this whole episode and as you go through it people start to pick up on it. But yeah, I love the kind of ebbs and flows in the way it goes and, yeah, certainly an early win for Peter there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Mannion. Obviously he starts talking about when he's met Bacon before and stuff where Nicola really struggles with social situations. There's evidence thereby An absolutely terrible joke that I'm going to play OK.
Speaker 5:And, as you know, it all goes out live.
Speaker 2:So absolutely no swearing and as you know it all goes out live.
Speaker 1:So absolutely no swearing, no swearing and we can all thank our fucky stars for that.
Speaker 3:Is that in the delivery, though? Because I get the feeling like another one of the characters could have delivered that and got the laugh, but she just doesn't have the conviction in it, does she?
Speaker 2:Fantastic, acting Rebecca Frum, obviously playing Nicola Murray, so we thought the show. We're in the waiting room together and Terry, who works for the government as a senior member of the civil service, has a thing for Peter Mannion and keeps staring at him. And Mannion's going the stupid one keeps staring at me. She loves him for a while like they're all serious. She's absolutely obsessed with him.
Speaker 2:And Peter's special advisor his full name is Philipilip bartholomew cornelia smith phil is absolutely fantastic in this. By the way, um, he's a massive queen fan. He didn't bring it up in this episode, but there's some great scenes where he just cuts to him and he'll just be saying john deacon, he wrote another one. Bites the dust. You know doesn't get the credit, but yeah, he's absolutely fantastic. But he mentions that emma, another advisor for peter manion, isn't there tonight, um, in the studio, because she's dumping ollie. This is I'm. If you've not seen this, you're gonna get a bit confused here. Ollie works for nicola as her special advisor, but her and emma him and emma are going out with each other, so that's.
Speaker 3:You know quite I think one of the things hopefully the listener can can stick with this. If they haven't mean it might be worth if you want to get full enjoyment from the pod, If you're losing track of it, pause it and watch the episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is difficult because they're all special advisors, but for different people.
Speaker 3:But you didn't want episodes with just one or two key people in the show, did you? You wanted to get a few characters in. I think this is a good episode for that.
Speaker 2:Yes, it cuts to Emma and Ollie. Ollie's cooking food, trying to be romantic, but Emma just doesn't give a shit. She switches on Radio 5 so she can hear the debate.
Speaker 4:I do like this line from Ollie that he says to her actually you know when your mum walked out you'd think maybe that wasn't just about your dad.
Speaker 3:As someone who has dipped in and out of thick of it and someone who's tried to watch a few episodes for days I think maybe that wasn't just about your dad as someone who has dipped in and out of thick of it and someone who's tried to watch a few episodes for this, I must admit, I found Ollie. I didn't quite get the Ollie character in this particular episode.
Speaker 2:I like him, but he is a massive prick. I mean he's supposed to be. You know what I mean. He is a complete prick. But yeah, in this one he's obviously still in in love with all romantically. Um, wants to be with emma, but emma has picked it's quite clear.
Speaker 3:It's not subtle, is it? She's kind of she's not interested in being there with him at all no no.
Speaker 2:So back at radio 5, glenn, who's another special advisor, but he's a senior special advisor, makes a report to nicola murray. This is makes a remark, uh to to Peter about not having a good time, and Peter reveals that he couldn't go on his second holiday because the opposition party had created a shit show about having too many holidays. And I love this about the thick of it. It is all little nonsense, bollocks that they try and get over each other. He always had two holidays this year, so he couldn't go on his second holiday.
Speaker 2:That's what happens in real politics. Well, yeah, couldn't go. You know what I mean. On his like and he's second.
Speaker 3:Only that's what happens in it in real politics? Well, yeah, I mean we don't. We don't see the ins and outs of it, but I can imagine. Yeah, it seems like it should be bigger than this, but it is all little sort of snidey, little wins and little. Yeah, I mean if, as I believe, it is fairly close, no experience in this world. But if this is how things are done, it's so childish, it is so child.
Speaker 2:I mean if this is how things are done. It's so childish. It is so childish. I mean, obviously this is an exaggerated version of, I imagine, what's going on, but these little wins and stuff, you see it in both parties, like the main parties and the other ones as well. To be fair, someone will say something really out of I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Say Rishi Sunak, I'll say and obviously, arsenal won yesterday, straight away. Oh, he doesn't even know his football. Do you know what I mean? Just ridiculous things that don't mean anything. He says he's a man of the people. I don't even know if Arsenal won yesterday or not. Then we get Malcolm Tucker, who's the biggest character in it. He's the spin doctor for Nicholas Partey. He's back at number 10 and it's his birthday. Someone sent him a cake that just says happy birthday, cunt. I love his reaction. Where he just goes, this could be from anyone. He's like half scared. It turns out it's from the PM. Anyway, we never actually see the PM in the entirety of the four series.
Speaker 3:I was trying to get my head around that. Then she's an MP. Does it tell you what she is then? Like what she?
Speaker 2:I think she's uh, come on, I think it's immigration, I think it's immigration and peter manion.
Speaker 3:Is he kind of her shadow equivalent, or is he in a different role or does it not matter?
Speaker 2:I think peter peter manion is uh, social affairs and citizenship. Um, so he's, there are different roles really, I think so. Anyway, I'm pretty sure she's, uh, I'm pretty sure that she because they do lose the immigration stuff, uh, and I'm sorry, she is secretary. She is actually secretary of state for social affairs, so they are in the same role, sorry yeah okay phil.
Speaker 2:Phil gets a ring the uh, one of the advisors for peter manion from their spin doctor, stuart, who tells him that they should be slagging off the fat cats. And Peter says this at about five minutes in, which is one of my favourite lines of the whole episode.
Speaker 6:Some of my best friends are money-grubbing wankers and I've got to give a speech to a roomful of them tomorrow at the CBI lunch. I'm not going to say hello chums.
Speaker 3:I've just in his delivery the way he looks, everything, yeah, and this is the thing, isn't? It is that early on she's saying some silly things, but actually when they get into the debate he's kind of cut out a little bit, because they're talking about fat cap bonuses and his mates are fat cap bankers.
Speaker 2:It's one of these things. I think to think of it, where, if you re-watch it and re-watch it and re-watch it, you find out little things that you think oh shit, yeah, like this at the moment it just seems like Stewart's phoned him and said, oh, don't slag him off. This becomes like a massive thing. Obviously later on. They're not necessarily comebacks in the way that like Kirby Enthusiasm is or something like that, but you know it's really well written. So Nicola and Peter go live on Radio 5. Nicola can't even say hello at the right time, so she says hello too early, doesn't she? You know when?
Speaker 3:like Bacon's like introducing her, whereas Mannion's like just making jokes about like a pen really late back in again and his team are sort of clapping with his every comment yeah, phil's going.
Speaker 2:The man you need to. Brilliant phil, so immature. Um glenn, phil and terry are all watching through the production room. Uh, glass and uh bacon asked nickel if she has any piercings. This is so cringy over this. Um, she says no. And then glenn's pointer it like through the glass, pointing like his ears as if to say no, you have got a piercing, you've got a piercing in your ear. She goes uh well, some people say my distinguishing features my ears are quite small, so shit.
Speaker 3:And then yeah, there's an expert, when he says something about, it sort of looks so strange. She says something like well, I mean, when it comes to piercings and female genital mutilation, then she goes oh ears, yeah, I've ears, yeah, I've got pierced ears.
Speaker 2:I've got pierced ears. I've got pierced ears. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3:It's so awkward watching it and this is what I thought about it it's so uncomfortable. I don't think I could watch a lot of episodes in a row, because it's quite hard work.
Speaker 2:It's quite tense and it's so sort of oh fucking hell. Like you know what I mean, everyone's like on edge in every scene. Yeah, yeah, not from manion in fact, but he does later on anyway. Custom alchemy. He's listening to it obviously in his birthday cake, he doesn't. He just looks fucking just shaking his head.
Speaker 3:It's like furious about it he's just exasperated early on, just thinking what is this?
Speaker 2:uh. Then they go on to the main topic about fat cat bonuses and Stuart phones Emma and says Pete has gone off topic so she's got to go to the studio. So she has to end her meal with Ollie, which Ollie obviously isn't happy about. But you need to mention that because obviously she'd both turn up later. Nicola is just making a total pig's ear of the show, talking about how people can be inspired out of poverty. Bacon's really good in this. I know this is his job, but he's acting here, obviously. But he's grilling her and she's losing her cool. And I love how smug Peter looks here. She's like digging a bigger and bigger grave about how you can be inspired out of poverty and he's just sat there with his arms folded.
Speaker 3:Massive smug. He's smugly nodding. Yeah, and you're right, what Baker does fantastic well in this. He doesn't really try and act, does he? He just does it as if it's a radio show, and it's very believable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's brilliant for a minute because I think it's quite hard to play yourself. A lot of people have said that real actors and stuff to play yourself and he is playing himself and it just sounds like a normal radio show. The acting in this is fucking superb as a whole, as a series. Malcolm phones Glenn. He says are you producing porn for the visually impaired? Because what I'm hearing is Nicola Murray being roundly fucked. He orders Glenn to get Ollie in the studio. So then Ollie's obviously so everyone's coming to the studio. Now. It's a great episode, this to get all the characters in one room at the same time. Basically back in the studio. Mania makes his first slip up here. This is exactly what I mean.
Speaker 6:That makes no sense. That's nonsense. The studio Mania makes his first slip up here. This is exactly what I mean. That makes no sense, that's nonsense. We need to say no to the nanny state, boo to nanny, and claw back some personal responsibility in the name of common sense.
Speaker 5:We need to say boo to nanny.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's just a play on Jules Holland's boo to nanny. Yeah, it's just a play on Jules Holland's who's a nanny. I didn't write it, but you know.
Speaker 3:It's crazy that yeah, even though you've probably re-watched this, having heard that before, it's really well written, because it sounds like something a politician would say trying to be clever, you hear it wrong, you think, oh, that doesn't sound right and yeah.
Speaker 2:Baker's straight on it, isn't he? Yeah, brilliant from again, like from Baker. And it's not Baker, it's Bacon, isn't it Baker? Yeah, Bacon, isn't it.
Speaker 1:How's the bacon, did you say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, brilliant from obviously Roger Allen as well Acting. You know he's obviously said the wrong thing. Shirt phones up about Mannion's joke. He's absolutely furious. I love the chaos of it, Like it's so fast moving. There's so much going on.
Speaker 3:I love the sort of metaphor for politics and all this, this sort of sway of oh it's going this way, oh no, they've said something wrong. Oh no, it's going that way and this side's angry, then this side's angry, yeah, it's brilliant. I'd say this is a really good episode, this one it's really difficult.
Speaker 2:So this is, I think, out of all the ones we've got in the quarterfinals, when we do an episode, this is the hardest one to talk through, because we started with this one, so everyone.
Speaker 2:I mean the hardcore good stuff it's really difficult because there's so much going on, it's so fast moving and there's so many characters involved. What I love about it, though, is, like I said, with the chaos, is this is a nothing interview. This is just about fat cat bonuses. This is not really going to swing, you know the election, or many votes coming up and stuff, but the whole team are there thinking and acting like it's the most you know serious, like yeah, it's a radio debate about a subject.
Speaker 3:That and that's great as well because it sums up sort of some of that that radio stuff. So you're having a political debate about like bankers bonuses, and it's intercut with people texting about, well I believe, uh, having piercings on your body. Robots don't have piercings with pieces of flesh. Why should we have a piece of metal? And it's like the ridiculousness of radio is summed up very well as well.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know how many views Richard Bacon's show gets, but I think this is like the 10 pm slot they're supposed to be doing. I can't believe the energy that's going to to paraphrase Steve Fleming in a later episode I can't believe the energy that's going into this one two-hour debate on a Radio 5 show. That's, I mean, what a couple of million listeners.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know. I would say, probably not even that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love Terri as well. She hates Emma and Phil, obviously the Tory special advisers. She goes, she's a complete bitch. And I think he's a bit simple. Glenn Ref to. I love this line. Glenn refers to him as Princess Anne and Captain Mark Phillips. That's an amazing line. This week's twist, though back in the studio on the debate, nicola makes a really good argument back at Manion, knowing that he's mates with the fat cats, he said would you like to outlaw bonuses for the big wigs in the city? And he proper stumbles. And I get this where Nicola's smug just smiling.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it actually starts with him going after her, doesn't it? Saying under your party, these have gone up by this amount. And she says, well, actually we want to do something about it. So are you saying you want to do something about it? And yeah, he just squirms, doesn't he?
Speaker 2:He's brilliant at doing this. On the thick of it, there's a brilliant scene with Ben Swain and I think it's series two where he's getting hammered by Paxman and he's like oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, because Ollie doesn't know, obviously, but Emma's told Phil. Phil takes a photo of Ollie looking sad and he goes yep, here we go new desktop background and he throws a coffee at him. I love these two. They're both absolute, like the most immature people out of a lot of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they kind of are the children of the. You know it kind of is a sort of family dynamic. Each party, these, the children of the. You know if each kind of is a sort of family dynamic, each party? These are the little kids, just name calling basically, aren't they?
Speaker 2:so back at the studio, we get a caller from the city who knows peter, and he starts having a go at him, saying his party's okay, taking uh, donations from companies linked to sweatshops. And then stewart. That's enough for stewart, he's listening at home and he's coming down himself to the studio again. I like how it develops, where they all end up getting into the studio at the same time. So they're going to go for a break. Nicola comes out delighted. She's like fucking, come on. She's like you know what I mean, like she's more than like a football match or something, whereas peter is absolutely furious, um and this is what he says to phil um, in the waiting room why have you got wet trousers?
Speaker 6:I'll eat your coffee at me, I'm. I seem to have wandered into some 1970s. Ray Cooney farce Is the vicar about to come round with?
Speaker 4:Brian Hicks and Robin Asquith.
Speaker 3:I don't know what that means, but it's a great line.
Speaker 2:There's a fantastic bit here. Might be one of my favourite bits of the episode. They've all been arguing all the way through this episode. It all been arguing all the way through this episode. It's really tense, really. Everyone's like I don't know, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. There's a brilliant bit where glenn and phil are talking about who the stick is. It just cuts to them two. Glenn goes well, everyone knows it's schumacher. And phil goes well, one of my mates thinks he's mayham and clarkson, because stick is an anagram of gits.
Speaker 2:Well, they just love how like them two are just the red monday mundane chat in the background a guy comes into the backstage area who's there for the piercings debate and he's got piercings all over his face and he's just watching everyone arguing, basically, around him. He goes back to the studio in the back of the air and then Stuart and Malcolm are both there now. They're in the control room through the looking glass, and this is what Bacon says about it.
Speaker 5:Peter Mannion, can you explain please why your party spin doctor has arrived entirely unannounced?
Speaker 6:I would say it was an indication of how seriously our party is taking the allegations that we were receiving donations from a sweatshop labor company you prep them with this shit, yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't know how realistic that is for this small debate, because I get this is an exaggerated version of it, but it is crazy. They've come in for this kind of reasonably simple debate and, like I say, part of the show is about piercings, and yet you've got the heads of spin, you've got the chief advisors, you've got everybody in there now and it is like two rival gangs just picking at each other at every opportunity.
Speaker 2:And I loved it. This is fantastic. This is where Malcolm Tucker's obviously the more famous out of the two spin doctors, that, or even Stewart. But this shows how good Stewart is at his job as well, because he sees on the producer's screen that text has come through from tim in rice loop. That says jf. The jfu, which is another sweatshop, actually donate twice as much to nicholas party as they do to peters. Malcolm tries to get the text stopped from being read out but the producer overrules him and sends it through and bacon reads it out. His expression here, stewart. So peter's expression here, should I say sat there. He's so happy that, like that text has come through and he's like, I don't know, he's like he turns round, you know, to like the room With a massive grin on his face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like a, a late penalty or something, isn't it Like? It's like yes, we're back in the game, it's pure delight.
Speaker 2:Don't go down with Malcolm who says this to the producer. That's your fucking career over.
Speaker 4:right, You're fucking dead. And those three little words, Tim in rice lip are the fucking nails in your coffin, dear Tim in rice lip. Tim in fucking rice lip.
Speaker 3:And as for Tim, in fucking, fucking, fucking rice lip he's fucking dead as well, that fucking texting coward.
Speaker 4:Give me his number. Where's his fucking number? Give me the fucking number of Tim and Rice. If you don't give me his fucking number, do you know what I'm going to have to do? I'm going to have to fucking go to fucking Rice and fucking snap the thumb and forefinger off of every single person. I see, who I think resembles the kind of wanker that'll be walking around in this day and fucking age with a name like fucking Tim. How do you hate that science? Huh, quite, quite mad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's proper on one there and he tells her he's going to end her career. He's going to go and break this guy's fingers if he has to break everybody's fingers in Ryslip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's going to go around to everyone in Ryslip. I don't even know where fucking Ryslip is.
Speaker 3:Do you know where it to be honest, but I'm guessing it is.
Speaker 2:Malcolm goes outside to the backstage area and forcibly pushes the piercings guy through the studio. That's a good scene, where he's like get off me. This guy's obviously a bit of an arcade, don't you fucking touch me? Pushes him into the studio.
Speaker 3:Put a magnet inside your head and it implodes, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Malcolm then says to Shua that nobody should talk about dodgy donors because it makes everyone look bad. And this is the horrible side of politics, where they are as bad as each other in these sort of things and they are both taking things and making you know doing dodgy things and it's just like, yeah, but you're more dodgy than me. No, I'm not, You're more dodgy than me. And it's horrible. Stuart says that he's going to reveal one of Malcolm's MPs forced his wife into having an abortion. Malcolm says one of Stuart's MPs slaps his kids about. Stuart hits back saying Malcolm's chief whipped out coke in university. And then Malcolm says this about the Shadow Chancellor Please, please.
Speaker 4:I went right into thinking that he's now godfather to one of the PM's kids.
Speaker 5:Listen, you know.
Speaker 4:I have got a fucking photograph that I've been waiting for a fucking, really day to show everyone, which is a photograph of your fucking shadow chancellor at one of his fucking parties, dressed up in fucking bra suspenders and a fucking black face. What's his defence going to be, eh, when I email that to the fucking son?
Speaker 1:Oh well, I am just dear shadow chancellor. Look, he won't have a defence, because you haven't got that picture. I have.
Speaker 3:That didn't happen However.
Speaker 4:I do have a statement from a rent boy.
Speaker 3:Well, that's very useful for you.
Speaker 4:You didn't clean that and get your expenses, can you?
Speaker 3:Oh, you're funny, very funny. What a fucking pisser.
Speaker 4:He will swear that one of your prominent backbench MPs paid him to shit on his chest.
Speaker 2:So childish.
Speaker 3:It is, but I thought the actor playing Stuart, who is the trainer in the Office I don't know his name, apologies he's fantastic in this because Malcolm Tucker is seen as this sort of T-Rex type figure who just destroys and eats everyone in his path and actually I didn't realise Stuart was quite so strong standing up to him. He certainly kind of holds his own in that argument.
Speaker 2:Yeah, vincent Franklin is who played Stuart. Brilliant character Stuart. One of those again where a lot of characters like this, I think in the thick of it, where it takes a couple of episodes to you think you know what, I can see why they brought him in. Brilliant that. It gets a bit sinister, though, where Stewart basically says he's going to hang Mannion out to dry for this talk of dodgy donors and essentially pin him.
Speaker 3:Pin it on him saying he didn't know the facts, and then malcolm agrees to do the same in it and they both just go home, leaving them to just talking shit and all of a sudden the tension drops and they're quite relaxed and they have quite a nice chat on the way out and basically, yeah, and this is the thing, isn't it, despite the fact that they're there to represent the people in that room. Ultimately, I think he says, look, uh, we're happy to put him out to pasture. And he says, you know, we know we could almost just walk away now, leave it. And he says, well, maybe I shouldn't hate you as much as I do, or something, and that's it. They're quite relaxed. Now, yeah, just let them both destroy themselves and we'll both walk away.
Speaker 2:And again politics, again where it's that I mean again. It's another sitcom, a bit like the one. There's probably no nice characters in the Thick of it and these are just two people leaving basically just willing to destroy two other people's careers just for the sake of the party.
Speaker 1:It's not nice.
Speaker 2:And that's the end. And that is the end. Malcolm gets an attack, say They've got Radio 5 on. He says turn it over. But he's not bothered anymore. Yeah, he asked for Magic FM, didn't he? Yeah, magic FM, yeah. So, yeah, he asked for magic fm, don't I? Yeah, magic fm, yeah. But I think this is a great episode. It's really difficult to do it justice. We're trying to get these done in half an hour of reach. Uh, each show. It's a fantastic episode if you want to get an idea of what the thing if you've never seen it, it's a good. Maybe not the best place to start because you don't know all the characters, but it's a good representation, I think, of why this show is so popular.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that show is up against the one I've looked into and mine feels a little bit more relaxed. But I probably should do, because I think you've covered quite a tense sort of almost political drama there. This Peep show is a little bit different. But anyway, here's a summary of a great Peep show episode.
Speaker 2:This is Wedding, if you want. It's series four, episode six.
Speaker 3:So we did a little bit of research for the round before this. We're going to go into more depth next time, but just a brief summary of Peep Show. So the two main characters that we follow are Mark Corrigan and Jeremy Usborne, played by David Mitchell and Robert Webb. They live in a flat which David Mitchell which Mark Corrigan owns.
Speaker 2:David Mitchell owns the flat.
Speaker 3:Imagine that Coincidence, that they just found his flat and used that. Yeah, and it's basically about the self-proclaimed El Dude Brothers, which I love as a nickname. It's fantastic, isn't it? The one we've picked is quite late on actually, so we've gone for a series four, episode six, I think, to get there. I'm doing this a little bit different to you. I've probably not got as much detail on the actual episode, but I've got a little bit of kind of set up to how we got here. So two main characters we've got.
Speaker 3:Mark Corrigan is absolutely neurotic, really clever bloke, but unbelievably socially awkward, self-deprecating, really pessimistic. I wrote down realist, but then I thought I'd put question marks. I'm not sure if he is a realist, Just pessimistic. I wrote down realist, but then I thought I put question marks. I'm not sure if he is a realist. I think he's a pure pessimist, like a pure, pure pessimist. But he's often right though, isn't he? So, even though he's pessimistic, he's kind of assumption of the worst. I don't know if it's like become self-fulfilling, but it's not why he assumes the worst and it's better than he thinks it. Kind of always it ends up worse than yeah yeah oh, for fuck's sake.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he loves his routine and and the kind of key to this that we mentioned previously but is so, interestingly, actually they were going to have, uh, sophie, who were going to come to her character. We were going to hear her internal monologue, actually, but they dropped that. But we only ever hear mark and jeremy's but what I've written down about mark. So if we didn't hear his internal voice, I think we just see him as a slightly posh loser really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a bit of an oddball. Bit of an oddball, socially awkward, I'd say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just a bit of an uncomfortable mind, but you can imagine him as a neighbour. But I think the beauty of hearing his internal monologue is he's an absolute maniac. He's one of the maddest characters in the whole show, despite probably outwardly seeming the most normal. And then we've got his flatmate, jeremy, who a complete hedonist just chasing joy in the moment. He's a confident optimist, I put, and he ultimately tends to fail. So they are kind of both losers. But Jeremy often kind of does get what he wants on the journey and he doesn't have any problems with lying with sort of fantasy, telling fantasy stories to get there. And I've what I've kind of thought about jeremy is so if you didn't, if we couldn't hear his internal voice, I think you just think he's a complete selfish knobhead yeah but actually I think on the flip side, because we can hear what he's thinking.
Speaker 3:He's just a very naive, like a very naive.
Speaker 2:Like a child, isn't he Like a?
Speaker 3:child and he even wrote down. Like a dog, he just acts on instinct. I think he's literally just in the moment. He's doing what he thinks is best. He doesn't care about an hour later, a week later, a year later. He's just in the moment, constantly.
Speaker 2:There's a line in this, actually this episode, where he says like in his monologue um, I could just pretend it's not happening. That normally works, yeah that's a great summary.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think just just to give a quick summary before we get into this episode. So series one mark is obsessed with, uh, sophie at work, played by the fantastic olivia coleman.
Speaker 3:Um, she's more interested in a guy called jeff, played by neil fitzmaurice yeah but he's kind of slightly cocky but but just more charming and more sort of Normal, yeah, just a normal bloke, yeah, I mean he sort of he plays the game quite well, in a sense that he says all the right things to Sophie and then he quite often sort of makes quite I don't know quite clever remarks behind her back when she's not there. But basically the first series. So the other note I wrote because I was just reading through the research for it. But Mark admires his boss Johnson, but he struggles to decide if he's sexually attracted to him.
Speaker 2:I think it's series one, this, where he becomes friends with Johnson.
Speaker 3:He admires him that much he's not sexually attracted to him.
Speaker 2:He starts watching gay porn to see if he's getting anything.
Speaker 3:to see if he's getting anything series two really brief summary here. So, and it becomes relevant to the episode, which is why to see if he's getting anything Series two really brief summary here. So, and it becomes relevant to the episode, which is why I'm picking out key points but basically this episode, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:I wonder and I've got no confirmations, I wonder if this they thought this would be the last ever episode, because everything is settled pretty much in this episode. Yeah, the entire three series leads up to this episode Four series.
Speaker 3:This certainly could have finished after this. I mean it didn't, but it certainly could have. So in series two, jeremy Jez meets and falls in love with an American free spirit, nancy, which is played by Rachel Blanchard. Mark is absolutely at rock bottom because Sophie's planning on moving in with Jeff. But then Mark finds out Jeff's cheated so he tells Sophie and their relationship breaks down. Series three so the one just before this one Mark and Sophie actually start a relationship. She still wants to do sort of some of the more fun things. She wants to go clubbing, she wants to take drugs. Mark being Mark, wants nothing to do with that. There's a plot in there where he gets mugged so he starts carrying a knife around. That sort of pushes him apart a little bit. Sophie gets moved to work in Bristol, which he's not happy about, but then I mean you can see the cracks already he ends up falling in love with Big Suze, which is Jeremy's ex. I love that. Big Suze, yeah, big Suze, yeah.
Speaker 2:Big Suze was never actually supposed to be in this. She was going to be a character that they never actually brought in. She's mentioned, I think, in the first series, and then they actually did bring her in. She's a great character in it, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sophie Winkleman plays Big Suze. Yeah she was at the Royal Wedding, wasn't she? Yeah, yeah, and she's really posh in this as well, isn't she? But yeah, he's chased Sophie and obsessed over her, but he kind of falls in love quite quickly with Big Suze.
Speaker 2:April's another one. I mentioned this because I'm going to bring it up later but April's another girl that he gets obsessed with as a student. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:Jeremy doesn't like how close they are, tries to sabotage it. She actually doesn't sort of dismiss the idea of her and Mark initially, but he's absolutely terrified. He's got no self-confidence and I think he does still feel some obligation towards sophie. He decides almost to try and fix this, this problem he's got to propose to her and he talks himself out of it but then decides he's going to do it. But it's only when jeremy queries him about what they have in common that actually decides nothing and he doesn't actually like her and finds her annoying. But she finds engagement ring, says yes and he, to avoid any embarrassment and awkwardness, accepts the uh, the sort of accepted proposal, so it's a great bit
Speaker 2:where I think it's nancy. I think it's nancy because, uh, yeah, mark and sophie are gonna get married and jerry's no, they're not. Just now. I am because what? Because you're gonna marry her. Going to get married, no, they're not. No, I am what, because you're going to marry her. He's basically marrying her out of embarrassment, because he doesn't want to say Exactly yeah.
Speaker 3:He didn't want to say. Well, that changed my mind. Yeah, and the only notes I've got for series four. So obviously this is the end that we're covering this particular episode, but the only notes I I made just because they made me laugh. So mark meets her parents. Uh, things aren't working very well. They go to couples counseling and then I actually quote this is the only bit I've quoted. So mark and sophie attend couple counseling, which mark hopes will unearth all their problems and end the engagement, the sessions, the sessions instead focus on his poor sexual performances it's fantastic he's sitting there like he goes right, is that that was great?
Speaker 2:then great like basically just everyone's just telling him how shitty he's in bed this whole situation, by the way. So he's getting married out for fear and politeness, I think I.
Speaker 3:I didn't look like doing this, so you know me quite, I'm overly polite I can imagine you here doing your high-pitched laughing in a couple of times like what I told you terrible in bed I've often felt that I've ended up.
Speaker 2:I'll end up in a cult out of politeness. There's a girl I used to work with. She's a christian, but you're really, really strong on it. She used to hold her worship services in her own and stuff like that. She wants to invite me because you want to cut. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely sounds absolutely amazing. I got to a point where I nearly like had to go to this like mad worship thing that they were doing. I didn't go at them, but I'm absolutely I'm far better at that.
Speaker 3:Jodie says I'm autistic because I just say no, I just don't want to do that. People say, yeah, but you could come out and do that. I say no, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2:But yeah, this is a. I mean look.
Speaker 3:You mean you could be the L Dude Brothers, couldn't I?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could be Jez and I could be Mark. This is something I imagine. I still think this will probably happen if someone ever decides to marry me.
Speaker 3:Right, let's move into the episode. So the first thing I want to play is the first point of the episode, basically. But this is Mark Corrigan waking up on the morning of his wedding, supposed to be the happiest day of life. Here's his initial thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go. Wedding day. I am heading for a wedding. How do I feel? Check scared, check alone, check, just another ordinary day, very funny I love the little laugh at the end of this.
Speaker 2:He's almost quite sinister almost, yeah, my life's going to be ruined at the end of today so we we join Mark and Jeremy in the flat.
Speaker 3:They've had some kind of I mean Jeremy's delighted with himself because of some impromptu stag night which seemingly ended with Mark going to bed early and Jeremy and Superhands, who played by Matt King, played really well character, as you know. I'll be looking forward to.
Speaker 2:You're not a massive fan of Superhands, we'll get on to it If it gets through, we'll get on to this. But you're not a massive fan of Superhands One of the most loved characters in the show but we'll get on to that next week. Yeah, so we meet.
Speaker 3:Superhands. He's on the floor, he to all Mark's wedding stuff, so his hats and his shoes and all this kind of thing. We cut to a bit. I've got quite a few clips for this, but apologies if it's clip heavy. Then you know what to do, you know where to go, you know where the off point is, yeah, yeah. So this is a bit and it's five minutes into the episode and they're discussing Jeremy's speech and I really like this clip okay, so I thought I'd start with.
Speaker 5:I will now do my best to give mark the six most uncomfortable minutes of his life. And the six most uncomfortable minutes of sophie's life will be coming up later this evening.
Speaker 1:Courtesy of mark I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 5:It sounds like I'm going to attack her. It does not sound like you're going to attack her no, jez, it Put something else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just love the kind of Jeremy's said all along and this is kind of the thing about it is that these two do have this kind of love-hate relationship but they are very close. Jeremy's all along never believed Mark's going to get married.
Speaker 1:He's not even written a speech.
Speaker 3:And this is where he's kind of been told look're gonna have to write one, because I am doing it and jeremy almost can't believe it's real it's horrible this day because the both like he's basically saying no, I am getting married.
Speaker 2:And jess's face is like oh shit, am I getting married? And mark is, mark's face is like I, I am basically. It's like saying I'm going to my death, do you know? I mean, they're both you know the appeal's saying I'm going to my death.
Speaker 3:Do you know what I mean? They're both so upset. You know the appeal's over I am going to be hanged today and he's like, no, you can't be. And he's sort of like marching into it. But yeah, so they go on a drive Sue Pines is sick into some more stuff.
Speaker 2:There was one here where he goes he's. He never normally dies. Tom, our mate Tom, he was very much like Mark. He always says this to me when I moan him, like if we go to festivals and I've had too much to drink and I'm going to die, you don't normally die.
Speaker 3:Mark has to go and wash his shoes and his hat because they're full of sick, and he sends Jeremy off to find an internet cafe to finish writing his speech. As Mark leaves the coffee shop, he sees quite an attractive girl working behind a bar serving coffee, so decides to propose to her as well. It's such a mad moment, mark.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. The person who were originally going to ask to marry him in the cafe was April, who he had a thing with in series two, but they couldn't get her back. But I think it works better. It's a stranger. I think it would have made more sense if it were April. I think the fact is he asks a stranger to marry him is unbelievable and I think her reaction is fantastic. She's just like a normal person would say what the fuck are you talking about? She's like no, it's fine.
Speaker 3:No, I wouldn't have thought so no, yeah, and then yeah. So he's clearly having his doubts. He keeps trying to look himself into it and then he gets a bit of a chat with Jeremy and I like this bit. He realises he shouldn't and it's just another opportunity to hear him refer to himself as the old dude brothers.
Speaker 1:Bit of a wobble. I just proposed to a woman in a coffee shop and tried to get myself run over.
Speaker 5:OK, right, that is maybe a sign that everything isn't totally groovy I. That is maybe a sign that everything isn't totally groovy.
Speaker 1:I think you're right, I shouldn't marry Sophie, I should call it off.
Speaker 5:Brilliant. Let's call this mother off the old dude brothers are back.
Speaker 2:This is the last situation where it merits a. He's basically going to jilt his wife at the church and he's going. I'm so happy about it, jess see.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's a really good debate earlier on actually, where they're talking about a jilting and it does it have to be at the altar, and jeremy says no, I think it counts on the day, mate. He says no, come on, that it's jilting at the altar. I think it's probably still a jilting on the day because everyone's in place, aren't they? Everyone's getting ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's definitely a jilting. There's a fantastic line where, because Mark says that I will not be known as Mark the Jilter, and Jeremy says something along the lines of because you're worried about your fucking legacy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so Nancy, who previously in the episode wanted to go off and ignore Jeremy, she's now decided she wants to come to the wedding. So she's text Jeremy Jeremy's obviously supposed to be taking Mark to the church, but decides he wants to go and get. Oh no, he's supposed to be taking him to Jilter, isn't he? He wants to go and talk to her before the wedding, but but?
Speaker 3:Jeremy but Jeremy decides no, I want to go and pick Nancy up. So they, they have a big argument, a big squabble. Here's another clip. Well, no, actually I'll tell you start, because the clip's probably too long. So previously kissed Sophie at party and despite Mark being absolutely furious, he's also absolutely delighted. The delivery on this is fantastic.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is sweet, I am out of this. No questions asked you shitty faithless backstabbing beauty.
Speaker 2:It's fantastic at this, david Mitchell, like it's. Like. It's that brilliant line where he says, like I am angry, but I'm also very relieved.
Speaker 3:It's hard to yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fantastic like what the emotions? That I'm feeling. And obviously he goes to see Sophie with the intention of breaking up his mum's there who sort of says, look it were nothing, it was just a snog, I think she says, and he ends up sort of walking away and once again he's kind of resigned.
Speaker 2:Sorry Sophie's mum here. I think your act is so like funny because you can't see the bride in a wedding. It is bad luck. It looks right, Jeremy. You might not know this, but Jeremy has had sex with.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I made a note of that series too, with the yeah yeah, yeah, um, so yeah, despite the fact he keeps telling himself he doesn't want to do it, once again he's decided he's gonna have to get married.
Speaker 2:So he's on route to the church it's so funny that because he says to jeremy um, could you have? At least you could have fucked her yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 3:They've made it to church now, um, and it's another clip. Apologies it's a bit heavy, but I just think this is such a fantastic line from jeremy am I actually going to piss on the church?
Speaker 5:it'd be quite a statement. Yeah, baby, here I go. Richard dawkins walks the walk, but does he actually follow through with an actual act of piss?
Speaker 2:yeah, because jeremy's quite good here because he sees mark's dad, mark's dad, sophie's dad and he runs in to tell mark sophie's dad's here, sophie's dad, and he runs in to tell Mark, sophie's dad's here, sophie's dad's here. He doesn't finish his piss, like everyone. Jez is, like, known as being the selfish one, but he's actually stopped his piss. He needs a piss badly, as we'll see.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he's actually run in to tell Mark. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:No, no, I wrote down here. I didn't look this up because I wanted to check whether you knew or not. But they end up hiding and I've put in the vestibules. Is that what you would classicise? They're kind of like raised bits above the church almost.
Speaker 2:I've never heard that word before vestibules. I like the word, I didn't want to look it up.
Speaker 3:What vestibules. I've never heard that word. People say such and such was in the vestibules. Let me do a live search.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. Vestibule, that's a good.
Speaker 3:I'm definitely it's a passage hall or room Vestibules meaning, yeah, Passage or room between an outer door and interior. So it's not not at all. I thought it was then unfortunately.
Speaker 2:I'm going to definitely use that Vestibules.
Speaker 3:Never heard carry on anyway. So yeah, as you say, he's had to hold it in. So they're, they're hiding up in the, the wings. I don't know. I don't know what to call it now because I want to say mark tosses a coin to decide if it's mario. So once again he's. He knows he doesn't want him but he's doing another thing to try and solve it. He gets, uh, he gets heads, which is mario. Straight away says ah shit, it's Mario. The delight on his face when Jeremy says best of three is brilliant. Of course it goes wrong again. So then he decides he's going to overrule the coin. I've not got a clip for this bit, I didn't even quite get it, to be honest. But he decides he's going to overrule the coin. So he tells Jeremy to text everyone saying he's doing a Stephen Fry. He says we're in Brussels eating mayonnaise with chips.
Speaker 2:When Stephen Fry was a younger man, he did do this. He tried to kill himself, but he went to Brussels and went mad.
Speaker 3:He found me with a carpet over me in the car, in a carriage or something. But what's the bit about in Brussels eating chips with mayonnaise?
Speaker 2:I'm sure he went to Brussels. I don't know about the mayonnaise, but I'm sure he went to Brussels though, just as he was having his episode. But he's so good because he's such a long run. He's like you want me to text all that? Yeah, and he says I'll cover the costs. He goes whatever. Whatever, man. I love how Jeremy, by this point, needs a piss that much. He's no longer worried that Mark's going to leave him, he just needs a piss that much, yeah and Mark's response is you're just going to have to do it then.
Speaker 3:So he starts doing it, but it carries on for ages, and I don't even know if this is the same clip you played him before. Yeah, fuck it, jeremy, stop it.
Speaker 5:It's going down the cracks. I can't stop. Stop, oh, piss yourself. Stop pissing yourself. It's not that simple. The floodgates are open. I'm ordering you to stop.
Speaker 2:You're a big old dick about this, aren't you? And this actually is the moment where, obviously, his piss dripping down to the people below and everyone's looking, and then he has got no, everyone knows someone's up there Someone, yeah, sort of sees it dripping down.
Speaker 3:Somebody goes upstairs, so it's so pathetic. He sort of opens the curtains and says, surprise everyone. It's awful, isn't it.
Speaker 2:It's horrible. He's like what the next bit? I know it's your clips here, but I want to play a clip here actually, where Sophie obviously knows something's wrong. So Mark has played it off as like oh, it was just a joke at the stag, and this is what he says to Sophie. Are you sure you want to do?
Speaker 1:this Mark. Of course, of course, I want to do this. This is great.
Speaker 3:So it's worth the hiding.
Speaker 1:It wasn't hiding, sophie, it was a stag thing and it really, really worked.
Speaker 3:Everyone was so surprised, especially you, brilliant yeah, it's really close to your clip actually, but I've got another one here that I love how he says this.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna play it now she's crying and I probably look like a wife beater. It's not fair.
Speaker 3:I'm unhappy too, yeah brilliant stood there, both of them at the front, getting married. She's sobbing, just distraught. He's crying a little bit. It's such an awful scene.
Speaker 3:His cry is horrible, he's so and they both end up like really reluctant I mean she's. I had to check this with you because even watching the episode I wasn't sure. I kind of wasn't sure if she'd built up and had her own doubts, if actually she was well on board with it until she saw him hiding. You think it's the latter, don't you? That it was him hiding that's made her think what am I doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think she would completely settle him. That's why they went to therapy. I think Sophie just wanted kids and a family, and I think Mark in a family and I think Mark in a way does as well Mark's worried about being alone. That is the only thing he's worried about. He knows he doesn't love Sophie anymore, but his other worry is I don't want to be on my own, and I think she's probably similar and it's at that point where she thinks what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 3:probably what they have in common, isn't it? They're both just worried about being on their own, even though they don't really like each other.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I'm sort of hiding it and pretending it was a great prank. There's a great bit.
Speaker 2:There's a great bit here where they say the priest says well, what is it they say when you get married? Is anyone here have any reason to believe?
Speaker 1:this yeah, I made it up Jeremy's face.
Speaker 3:I love the desperation in both Mark and so's faces. They both turn around like normally, like it's a bit of an awkward, like sort of almost jolt a piece of ooh. Is anyone going to say anything? Yeah, they're both desperate for someone to say anything, and Mark's staring at Jeremy and just kind of sheepishly puts his head down.
Speaker 2:He's not, he's not. He's staring directly forward like he's concentrating on something. He's just like looking straight forward. He's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 3:They end up leaving the church.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ wasn't he, because they're all booing. They're booing Mark.
Speaker 3:And they're throwing rice at him really hard, like not sprinkling it up in the air, like throwing it in his face. Jeremy steps in and says all right, all right he goes.
Speaker 2:come on, he got married. In the end it's probably a wedding take.
Speaker 3:Jeremy, who's been waiting for Nancy all the time, sees her on a bench kissing super hands. So he's good. Mark gets in the car with Sophie. I mean it's so awful. He sort of says, trying to be optimistic, well, that's one to tell the grandkids about, and she sort of bursts into tears. I mean it's really good acting. It's so awful, isn't it?
Speaker 2:And then she gets out of the car and his line, his line, where he goes. We're over the hump now and she's just like our hump the wedding day, and then she like gets out of the car, she goes. He's horrible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then Jeremy shows up, gets in the car. Exactly what you said. I think this would have been the perfect ending because, despite all their kind of missions to to better themselves and do what they want, actually they're better off just in each other's company. They're both losers, they both wind each other up, but at least they can't kind of get themselves into these car crash moments when they're together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just quite a fitting ending that they end up in this sort of wedding car driving back to the flat together I saw an analysis on this I can't remember it was now a couple of probably a couple of years ago now, to be fair where they said that this is the end like series four feels like the end and what you get after the the further four series that they did is just like oh, what are they up to now? This feels like the ending to me, and the rest of the four series after almost feel like bonus episodes are like oh, or it's kind of like a spin-off of its own show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the ending to me of a peep show, and what you get after he's still canon. It's not like david brent, life on the road or anything like that. It's not terrible or it's still good, in fact, brilliant in places, but this just felt like it feels like a writer's change, like there was a pause and then they did.
Speaker 3:Someone else took it on and, yeah, I think the characters are still faithful, but it just becomes a bit more insane. I think all this is about believable up to you, and then it gets a bit wacky. I think this is probably where I've fell a bit out of love with it, to be honest yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, if it gets through, we'll go on to that next week. So that is peep show versus the it crowd. Thanks for sticking with us. It's all one with the thick of it because there's that many characters in it. But Peep Show, you know that episode is a classic. And next up we have got Phoenix Knights versus Father Ted. The Phoenix Knights episode we're going to be doing is Series 2, Episode 3. You can get it on Dailymotion. And what's the Father Ted episode?
Speaker 3:Liam, we've gone for Season three, episode two of Father Ted, which is Chirpy, burpy, cheap Sheep, and it's about Chris the sheep and how they try to coach him through the sheep competition. It's a fantastic episode. So, yeah, hopefully you'll give both of them a listen before you listen to it.
Speaker 2:So we will see you next week. Same bat place, same bat channel. Is that all they say? I can't remember what else they say. What's that from Batman? What, unlike the original ones? Yeah, the fucking Adam West. Same bat place same bat channel.
Speaker 3:What do they mean? Same place, same channel, but why bat doesn't add anything, does it I?
Speaker 5:don't know.
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