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Living With Madeley
"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
Living With Madeley
Series 5 Episode 12 - Madeley Meets the Squatters
Ever imagined what life would be like if you abandoned the conventional norms of society and embraced a lifestyle that was entirely off the grid? Brace yourself for a deep dive into the world of squatters in England, as we dissect Richard Madeley's intriguing documentary, "Richard Madeley Meets the Squatters". Expect to venture into the nooks and corners of a property where a squatter has been permitted to stay, and listen to some eye-opening conversations that challenge the stereotypical views of squatting.
Richard Madeley, with his unique persona, takes us through unexpected encounters in the world of squatting. From humorous conversations with a squatter in Bristol carrying a mattress in the middle of the night, to serious debates with a Member of Parliament harboring biases against squatters, this episode is packed with enlightening experiences. Listen to a woman from Northern Ireland narrate the strategical measures adopted by property owners to prevent squatting and gain a nuanced understanding of the legal intricacies surrounding squatting in England.
Imagine a 50-year-old woman with learning difficulties who can't evict a squatter from her home due to existing laws, or a successful finance professional giving up her career to pursue comedy and squatting in England - the diverse tales of squatting are as compelling as they are complex. So, if you're intrigued by the idea of challenging societal norms and exploring unconventional lifestyles, this episode will give you plenty to ponder upon. Don't miss out on these riveting narratives that offer unique perspectives and inspire engaging discussions on the culture of squatting.
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Speaker 1:I'm on the button.
Speaker 3:Hang on, by the way.
Speaker 1:So you might have seen like a bit of a glitch there.
Speaker 3:No, it's not recording. It's not recording Hold on.
Speaker 1:This is recording now, isn't it? It is recording right, hang on, I'll start again. So you might have seen like a bit. I don't know what's happened there. I don't know how Liam's going to edit that.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you what's happened. Right, my leg has touched the button and it's turned the whole machine off. Everything's gone into fucking reset. It's, it's, it's, ah, jesus Christ, I can't believe what's going on here.
Speaker 1:Unbelievable it shambles.
Speaker 3:Touch a button with your leg and it's so much. Reset the machine again. Well, anyway, this is the final episode TV nostalgia based podcast with me mainly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is the final episode of the series, but we have got some stuff coming up here, so don't despair. Well, after that, liam, should we get straight into it, because I reckon the main man, rick this is Richard Maitland meets the Squatters. I reckon either he'll have a much more cool head of the situation than you've got at the moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know how we'd have dealt with it. I think he'd have been far cooler than I've been. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, let's jump into the episode. This is the, if you want to watch it, if you want to pause us now and go and watch it. It is Richard Maitland meets the Squatters and it's on YouTube Stick with it, because it takes about five minutes to get into it. There's some sort of glitch in there. So, yeah, jump to five minutes 15 and watch it, If you want to do that before you listen to this last role.
Speaker 1:So Richard Maitland meets the Squatters, december 2012,. Iev one. I didn't see this at the time. You know, obviously, people who've been listening to this podcast for a while, but I do like to keep keen eye on made like this past me by how about you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wasn't aware of it. I'm not sure why they made it, what the background is. I need to cool down. I'm absolutely furious. I need to calm down for a second.
Speaker 1:Calm down, calm down go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know why they made it. I don't know if he'd made some comments about Squatters and then they decided to sort of challenge him and put him out there. I'm not entirely sure, but yeah, it's a weird one. I wasn't aware of it. We, in our very first episode we did yeah. So we were trying to think of a theme, a tie-in, for why we just do a podcast In lockdown. We were just talking shite to each other, as we often do, and we thought we need a theme, and the theme was Richard. Maitland is always on TV. We both think he's brilliant living with Maitland. So on the first episode we ever did, we did actually use a couple of clips from this but it weren't from watching the full documentary, where they were from
Speaker 1:making the compilation clip. I think it was Joecouk, and that's where I first saw the things, but I'd never known anything about this. But if you listen to this and you think, well, I've already heard the best bits, you haven't, because there's a lot of stuff. I think, anyway, that they've not included in their compilation. I think that compilation is three and a half minutes, but I think there's some absolute gold here that's not been picked up on.
Speaker 3:I think, and we often, we sometimes do this and we kind of skip to the end before we get there. I actually think it's a really good documentary. I'm not quite sure what the reasoning behind it is. I don't know. It's almost like as if Maitland had some squatters in his property so he'd be challenged to rethink how he sees things. But I don't think it is that. I think it's almost like they just said Rich, do you want to do a documentary about squatters? Yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 1:I think on the version we've watched and the version that we've just sold over elsewhere, I think the start's missing, because for one it comes in really there's no intro and there's definitely a clip on that. Joecouk, can you remember this clip where he said I have to confess that someone lucky enough to own more than one home, I know almost nothing about squatters, which is not in this bit. I think he opens with that, but we're not, I think on the.
Speaker 3:Well, you can tell it is as well, because it's the. I don't know, did he call it Sound Card or I don't know? But there's the fixed images on for about five minutes, which is near that the episode's running, but we're not actually seeing anything. So yeah, quite clearly I would say we're missing the first five minutes.
Speaker 1:So if you have seen this live and you think, oh, they've missed you know, you saw this at the time and you think, oh, they've missed this out, they've missed that out it's because we obviously, on the video that we've watched it wasn't there. So we start straight off where he's straight into, like a place where some squatters are staying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, he goes straight in. He's such a cool customer mainly. I really do think he's you know, and I get I do understand why some people find him irritating and sort of. You know, he gets called out a lot on social media. I just think he's brilliant in every space. He walks into a squat, basically, which is, you know, it's a bit of a derelict dive, and straight away there's like a guy off asleep and as soon as he pops up he's like, oh hello, he's straight into interview mode, isn't he Like?
Speaker 1:he's there, he's on it all the time, I think I mean he looks awful where these squatters are staying, obviously, and I love like. As soon as he goes in he says oh, there's a rat, see him, see him.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he goes. Oh yep, see him again. He's over there. Yeah, he's spotted the rat. Yeah, I mean the one thing I'll say about this first bit. I haven't got loads of notes to rely on, actually, but how do I describe the action? So there's like a kind of famous. I'm saying famous. I think of it as a catalogue pose where you have a jacket over your shoulder with two hands through the kind of cow-hanger loop. Have you ever seen that done in real life? No, never, maybe. Like he's doing, he's got the jacket over his shoulder with his fingers through the loop. It's unbelievable, like I mean.
Speaker 1:You can't help thinking of Partridge. That's enough, Partridge, where he's going. Who's this cool customer?
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw him. He's not knowing me, knowing you.
Speaker 3:I was wondering that is that? Because that's where he says who's this cool customer? He has ice-white action flax.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's been pretty days through, yeah, miles before that was 94,. This is 2012,.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's this sort of weird loop, isn't it, of whether Steve Kogan has taken Richard Maitley and put him into Partridge or whether Richard Maitley has taken Partridge and become part of himself. It's like a weird Because the one thing I'll say and, to stop me saying it throughout the whole episode, the one thing that I thought throughout the whole, I think it's because Rich Maitley's hair is a bit longer and a bit sort of more luscious and it looks good. It looks cool.
Speaker 1:It does look very good.
Speaker 3:The whole episode of this reminded me very much of Alpha Pappa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the parts around like Alan Partridge and his mannerisms.
Speaker 3:It just seems like the two when there's a lot of comparisons made and they're very easy to make because it's like, oh yeah, it's a TV personality who kind of happens to look at time a bit similar. But the mannerisms throughout this remind me so much about this. But, guys, it's undeniable.
Speaker 1:We've actually talked a little bit about the partridge thing we made like. Obviously, I did those 50 quotes, things that went viral, and so once set an account of the back of art saying it's called partridge or made like, and I don't know if it still does it to be fair, but every day it posts a quote, mainly off the list that I did, or a partridge quote, and you have to guess every day. You know which one said it. Yeah, who said it? Look, I'm a massive fan, genuinely I'm a fan of Richard Maitley. I think if we got into you know a room we probably won't agree on most things politically and stuff like that, but I think he's as we see in this. I think he'd be so accepted of your own views, you know.
Speaker 3:He's a people person and yeah. I think that's shown throughout this, that, despite the fact that, basically, his view is at odds with most of the people he talks to, he's very willing to debate and listen and, yeah, I think he comes across really well and, as we've said, we're both fans of Maitley, so we're, you know, we're biased, we're skewed in that respect, but he came to me, he came across as a really good person in this.
Speaker 3:He doesn't really get all the certain bits in it and we'll come to it where you think, yeah, he can't really agree with that and I think he's clearly at odds with it. But he's listening and he's engaging and I thought he was great throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 1:The first clip I want to play is in six minutes on the YouTube thing, so it's probably about a minute in from what we've saw, and it's just about him, how he feels well, how he smells the place, what he thinks the place smells like. Where the squatters are living there's a very strong smell of fire, isn't it?
Speaker 2:and urine and fire and, I have to say, a feces.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I picked up on that, brilliant, brilliant so the guy who's?
Speaker 1:a feces yeah, brilliant, brilliant. So the guy who's staying in this like squatting in this place, he after like that, obviously he wakes up, maybe wakes me up because oh hello, like I just said earlier, and then they walk outside, he's mainly, and obviously we haven't seen the beginning, but I presume the other guy who was talking to not the squatter does he own that building? He does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's the owner of the property, so he's the owner of the property where this guy's squatting. He's certainly come across this guy before, because the guy who comes out once he's woken up and this is the bit actually where he's got the jacket over his shoulder with his fingers through the lower I've never seen anyone stand like that before. But the guy comes shuffling out. Richard Maley offers him a handshake he doesn't take it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and again, I don't want to mention it throughout the whole thing, but his hair is fantastic. Richard, yeah, it's beautiful, but yeah, this guy I don't really know where Richard Maley is. I think I'm guessing this sort of English is a second language.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing he comes out, obviously, and there's a funny bit where Maley says so where are you from? And he's not because I'm from England.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he says you. Where are you from? I'm from England.
Speaker 1:Nothing really happens. This squatter is a really big fan of the guy who obviously has let him squat in his property and he shakes his arm and gives him a hug and stuff. Then Maley goes to shake his arm and he won't do it. Maley just says cool, cool, cool, it's fine.
Speaker 3:It's one of them, isn't it? Where the guy clearly is a troubled chap in terms of his life situation isn't great. I don't know his full circumstance, we never get to know but presumably the owner of the property is happy with him being there because they've engaged before. I think, should we come to this at the end, that the view on where you sit with it. Where does this change your opinions on it at all. Yeah, we'll go for it, let's come to that right at the end actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll come to it at the end. Like it basically goes from this place to. It goes to Bristol and he goes to Squatters. Meet him where each week Squatters meet up to try and help people find places to live for free. Love this bit. Maley, so relaxed, it's one of my favorite bits. They have a whip round for tools or the squatters. He tosses money into the middle so casually it's so amazing.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. I love how everyone else scrambles around in the pocket. He throws a bit of change, the way he's so casually, pulls a coin it looks like I don't know, I imagine it being like a gold coin out of his pocket, just flicks it in the middle like a doubloon.
Speaker 1:He reminded me, like you know, clint Eastwood, when he throws his cigarette, like you remind him, that's like Get on in loud.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:He's not doing it mockingly at all.
Speaker 3:He's not like saying no no, no, no, there's no like that I imagine when he's with his richer friends Rich, rich friends.
Speaker 1:I imagine that's how he puts money into a part of the doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, the other whip round Any change you've got they throw into the middle. He talks to them about what the purpose of what they're doing is and they basically say they're either. Says I mean, one of them likens themselves to the wambles.
Speaker 1:They say I love this, he says, because he's an urban wamble and Maley goes well.
Speaker 3:You might like to think of yourself like that, yeah, I mean, they're basically saying that if there's properties that aren't being used, they move in If there's anything, but they're making use of things that other people don't want, which you know, as we kind of get through. It is not strictly speaking true and there's other people who have very different opinions on that, but the bit I took away from this is that, if you want to take them at face value, they basically say they don't want anyone to be kind of homeless, sleeping on the streets, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's their ethos. Yeah, is there anyone out there who's vulnerable and sleep on the streets, and if so, can we get them into somewhere to stay? That's their view on it, anyway.
Speaker 1:And then Maley. I'm going to play a clip here. This is the two really funny bits of this and it's a fairly famous bit of this entire. I think it's on that Joe, it's not so hard to say Joecouk. I think it's on the Joe compilation of the day. But this is brilliant, this bit.
Speaker 2:As I split my time between homes in London and Cornwall, should I be nervous? When people think squatters, they think yeah, that's a family who go around holiday, 2.4 children. And they come back and people have moved into the house and they look through the windows and they've changed the lots and they're drinking their wine and frying out the bacon. You know that's. That is a public perception of squatting, isn't?
Speaker 3:it. Yeah, brilliant. Yeah, we did play that in the first episode. Yeah, I'd never seen this before. I think you sent me that as a clip. That the stereotype of squatters is they're in your helmet cooking your bacon.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's the stereotype. I mean, I don't know. I mean obviously never had squatters where I live, but I don't imagine I'm cooking the bacon. Oh, I don't know maybe cooking the bacon?
Speaker 3:Yeah, then obviously it goes to the property I can't remember. Like I say, my notes are sketchy at best on this. Well, they don't exist, if I'm honest.
Speaker 1:but it goes to meet a property owner yeah, dave Gerout, which is a brilliant name, dave Gerout.
Speaker 3:I thought this was a really I don't know. I don't know, I think I think clearly, well, I don't know, I'm being very cagey. I think you're kind of on the side of the property owner. I think he's got this property, people moved in it. Basically, the stance is if you can't prove they broke in, you can't move At this moment in time, you have no right to get rid of them.
Speaker 3:I found this absolutely I love how it rolls up on his bike in the background and he's just watered in it and they have this kind of debate about. And the guy seems very genuine and he says you know, we're not going to damage your property. I wouldn't damage your property, but I accept that other people could do and I accept your stance and the main sort of point of debate it comes down to and again, I think we'll go into this more as a summary at the end but you're not vulnerable. You've got multiple properties. Yes, okay, you don't agree with people being in one of them, but our intention is to do no harm. What's the problem? You know it's not causing you any suffering at this moment in time, but if he kicked us out, we have nowhere to go.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so what.
Speaker 1:I've been down to is basically the debate. The urban wanderer is called Tristan. Dave knows that Tristan has broke into his property, but he can't prove that. And Tristan just said, well, you can't prove it. And Males has been, well, there's an admission. And it isn't an admission because he's just saying, well, you can't prove it. He clearly has broken into his property and I didn't know this at all. But once they've got, obviously said I don't know if the laws of change is 2012. Once they've gone into his property, they can. You know, the landlord can't get rid of him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the issue is somebody has clearly broken in. But if you can't prove who has broken in because he says no, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is the door was open when I came here so I went in and that's kind of you know. Like you say, up until 2012, when it changes, and it only changes for residential properties.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so this could just all be happening, because what? What the urban wanderer is saying is that this guy's got seven properties, so he's not living in this property.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a morality debate, isn't it?
Speaker 1:That's it I love this bit because I think it's a morality debate of this guy. Yeah, he owns this place, but the counter argument is yeah, but you don't need to live here what you've got seven properties.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it doesn't need it. It doesn't need it. It's people who do need it to be safe. But then it's like he says you know. The guys say you know, well, you need to trust us, we're not going to do any wrong for it. And he says well, people in before did do a lot of damage and caused me a lot of problems.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of sympathy for Dave, like the property owner right, because in his head, you know, I mean don't mind really if he's got seven properties. You know, someone's still in his property.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I've got more to offer on this when we get to the end of it. But I like to challenge him on some of the some of these Wambles. I think they have a very one sided view on things. But yeah, let's, there's a really nice bit.
Speaker 1:There's a really funny bit here where a girl comes up with Tristan like another one of the classes, an urban one, but another squatter, and really happily, like me, they just change goes. Oh, hello hi. So yeah, the nice thing on the charm, on a immediate like see, there's like every situation is just an interview for him, isn't it?
Speaker 3:It's like anyone who? Comes in. He stood with his hands in his pockets. It looks so cool. Again, made like absolutely. Oh hello, how are you, how are?
Speaker 1:you doing? This girl gives Dave the property owner a cigarette and he's a really a maid. He's saying, rightly, that this is really odd. You know you're at war with each other almost and you sort of. You know she gives it, gives a Dave a cigarette, he has this cigarette and they shake hands and stuff at the end even though they completely disagree and I quite like it. A maid is like really thick after made, like an over, like an overdub after says, you know he feels so sorry for the squatters but he also has massive sympathy for Dave, which I think most people will have.
Speaker 3:There's a bit as well that he takes a lot of offense to that because obviously he's got money, he's got multiple homes, mainly, but yeah, it's. The guy calls him greedy and he says, well, you know what? Almost how dare you call me greedy? Yeah, ok, I've got properties and I'm fortunate to be in that position, but that doesn't make me greedy. And the other guy is, I mean he's. So it's the most clear example of an introvert you'll ever see. He doesn't want to make eye contact, he's looking at his pockets on a head down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's so, so clearly. I don't know. He's not a cocky knobhead, is he? He's?
Speaker 1:basically, I think he's an odd little he is, and I think it makes his points really well.
Speaker 3:I think he's not necessarily sort of proud or, yeah, fuck you, we can do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think he he comes across really well actually in this debate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was the first part, I suppose, where I kind of thought I don't quite know who side I'm on in this debate and in fairness to Dave, who's the landlord.
Speaker 1:I think it's easier when you're watching these sort of things, because Dave's richer than me and you Probably will be. Put together, he's got seven properties. It's really easy to have a go at those sort of people for, almost like try to side with the squatters because you're probably the closest to them. Weirdly, then you will be there. But Dave, I think, comes across really well, he's not. It's just all he's saying is this is my property and I can't get these people off my property, even though I own it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like I say, I don't want to kind of keep making say points, I think we'll wait till the end of this, to Well, after anyone's side you sit on, but he meets the MP Mike Weatherlight.
Speaker 1:There's a brilliant bit here I want to play, so he delivers this line. This is just before they're going to meet Mike Weatherlight, the MP in Hove.
Speaker 2:Well, I've come to the House's apartment, as you can see, to have a chat with Mike Weatherlight. Now, mr Weatherlight is the MP for Hove, which is next to Brighton, which has a big squatting problem, and he too, britain Squatters, is public enemy number one because he's the architect behind this new law which makes squatting and a domestic house or property a criminal offence. They hate him.
Speaker 3:I love as well. I like it. It's like Maitley's, like a kind of action hero and you put different suits on him. So because he's gone to House Commons, he's shirted up for this one. He's being sort of casual.
Speaker 3:You know he's being sort of I don't know, sort of casual smart Maitley, but in this one he's put his shirt on. He's gone to meet the MP. I think he kind of feels more at home in this space, maitley, but to be fair to him, he's never changed, does he? Whether he's in a squat with people he's never met before, or speak to an MP, he's always exactly the same person.
Speaker 1:People have a go at him right. And look, I understand it, I think anyway do plays. For we have said like before we did this party fucking hated Richard Maitley. And then he's only like, since we've done this, you think, oh, he actually is quite funny. I do get it because I do think he probably, as I said, like at the beginning, I think he probably, I probably disagree with him on most subjects, certainly politically, and I think he is probably, but at the same time I reckon I could sit down with him and happily have a debate with him about it, and he wouldn't come to any sort of anger or aggression, I think you see that here.
Speaker 1:This might weatherly, for me is almost like the stereotypical MP. He's almost like a caricature of an MP in these situations where he's going, no, we're going to get him, we're going to stop him from doing it, and everyone's going to be happy. He just just like, sort of I don't know hard line MP when he quite clearly isn't. And mainly to be fair. He's saying, look, because this guy says all squatters are freeloaders and mainly says, like he's not sure about this, he says not all squatters are bad squatters and they're not all freeloaders.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's exactly it it is. You know, these the people, at least in some situations, have no other choice. They just they don't want to sleep on the side of the road, so they've gone into an abandonment property, I think. I think he started to to realize that and, yeah, you're right, he kind of acknowledges that. Well, now hold on, it's not, it's not just squatters are evil.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the MP clearly comes from a stance of no, no, no, it's not, except I said the MP is, this is what I ate Like, this is the worst sort of MP in my opinion. He's obviously looked at, I don't know, a focus group. We said, right, we're sick of squatters in this area. Right, that's my, that's my agenda now For hours I would be hardline on this and I'm not even going to be you know, because obviously things that's going to win him over those and maybe it will, but he's not even come across to me as like he actually wants to stop the problem.
Speaker 3:He's, he's trying, it's all. He's probably never met and he's probably never talked to anyone. What he's just decided, that these are freeloaders, these are, these are bad. I am good, I'll get rid of him, yeah, yeah, so. So next thing in the show days, it goes to a. It goes to a squatting. Is it somewhere in London? I can't remember, can.
Speaker 1:I just play a little clip here, when he first goes to this squat. I absolutely love this. He leaves the door open as he walks in.
Speaker 3:I OK.
Speaker 4:Why is the number one rule of squatting never to leave the door open?
Speaker 2:Because actually I do leave my door open. What?
Speaker 4:what a bit. It's not the same, as it may leave the door open.
Speaker 1:And it is kind of ten acre estate in, wherever it is.
Speaker 3:But yeah, this girl has got the maddest accent.
Speaker 3:She's oh, yeah, yeah, no, irish. Well, I'm guessing she is, but as far as I'm aware she's Northern Irish, but she's kind of. I'm going to play a small clip of her speaking here. In fact, no, it might even end up being two or three clips because there's more public. But I'm listening to her and I think you've got accent is mad. Listen to this Like it's, in part, the most broad Northern Irish ever, but in part you'd never know she's been to Ireland. Owners of empty buildings they destroy their property. In order to get rid of them, they have to be able to get rid of them.
Speaker 4:They have to be able to get rid of empty buildings.
Speaker 2:They destroy their property in order to prevent human on the inside.
Speaker 4:They break the toilet, they break the stairs, they mess it up so that no one wants to live in it. The ceilings, the wire in the water and everything has been stripped. The owner is an interested in bringing this property back into use to them. I think this is just a number on a balance sheet. Why do they want to do anything with it?
Speaker 3:Not making fun of the accent.
Speaker 1:I have family from the border in Ireland so I just can't quite define where you mentioned in every episode this series, like because of controversial topics, that you have family in Ireland. Well, you can't have a go at me, because I like it from the border.
Speaker 3:It's like kind of like.
Speaker 1:You've got it all covered.
Speaker 3:I've fucked in both doors. Yeah Well, whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, talking of rooms, this place where the squatting is, well, it looks like a million pound mansion or something, doesn't it? But it's derelict. Yeah, central London.
Speaker 3:It's a derelict building. I don't, if I'm honest, I don't know what derelict means.
Speaker 1:Well, there's no flushing toilets before they saw it. There's no water, there's nothing like that. There's nothing like that. There's no wallpaper or anything like that. It's just being left and this is like a really annoying thing. There's a voiceover action which is a little bit before this, where it says there's one million empty properties in Britain and you think about the amount of homeless. It's outrageous. But yeah, and this is one of them where and the girl the Northern Irish or whatever she is girl says that she thinks the owner of this has left it like that on purpose, because he doesn't want to be bothered about paying anything on it and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just an asset. There's building in value.
Speaker 1:That's it. Yeah, that's it. Building in value. We don't want to do anything and then, once you reach something, don't really care what condition it's in.
Speaker 3:It's just that in 10 years' time that plot of land will be worth a lot of money. And I absolutely get that and I keep saying it. I don't know, at some point we are going to have to kind of give our view on where we stand on the squatters.
Speaker 1:There's another bit here, actually, where they're talking about all the food that they get and he goes oh where do you got all this food from? Because they've got bread and apples and stuff and they obviously get them all from supermarket scapes. And this is another thing we played in the first ever episode, but I want to play it again here. I love how he's like again brilliant, I think, for Maitley where he's trying to relate to him without like patronising him, in my opinion, very grand.
Speaker 2:What's your supermarket skip of choice, then? I mean, I personally quite like shopping at Waitrose, Waitrose, OK. So we have, at last we have something absolutely in common. I shop at Waitrose. You skip from the back of Waitrose.
Speaker 3:I love that as a clip. It's brilliant. So we do have something in common. I shop at Waitrose. You skip at Waitrose, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm really, really good. You go in the bid at Waitrose, I shop at Waitrose, but you know, as I'm doing it, you're behind the bike, you're in the bin.
Speaker 3:So we do have something in common, because I like to shop at Waitrose and you actually got arrested for punching someone in the face in Waitrose, didn't you? For those who are like trying to find some, but I think it's well-intentioned.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think it comes from a bad place.
Speaker 3:It's not patronising or mocking.
Speaker 4:I think he genuinely thinks oh, this is a good idea. I'm ready.
Speaker 3:We can relate on this I like to get their products, so do you. It's just I pay for them. You take them out of a bin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it, and he's had that, he's done it like that's sort of you know. That's the link, the connection and, as I said, look, it'd be easy. I think I think of it a more. A less confident presenter, a less confident person would be trying to relate to him more and coming across idiotic. Maybe if me and you did it, you know we'd be saying oh yeah, no, it's like you know, I've had to. Oh, sometimes you know foods are, you know money's tight and you have to. You're looking at burning. You think you know I've never actually done that. Look like you've never done that, but a lot of lesser presenters are trying to relate to it and just lie, whereas Maitley is trying to connect with him without you know.
Speaker 3:That's a really good point actually. Yeah, he's not going to say do you know? When I was a kid, we used to go abroad and we didn't have much money at the end of the holidays. So we used to say, oh, the hotels. He's not making up a story, is he? That's the closest you can get, 100% honest. Oh great, oh great. There's a connection in there, because you take free food from Waitrose, my shop at Waitrose, I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't want to bring up because people I imagine people will be. You know about Richard May, little public lessons, this bit and saying does he pay for his food? As far as I know the charges in there, it was a genuine, genuine error and you know, that's all we've got, all we've got to go on and Chuckie's Charlie Fuller food didn't go through the checkout and left the store.
Speaker 3:But, like, say, that sounds like I'm accusing him of something there. I'm absolutely not. I think he's so. This proves it, his documentary. He's such an honest man. I think he would say yeah, I thought I could get away with it. I thought I'm Richard May. Nothing to try. I think if he had tried to steal a trolley full of food, he would now tell us that's what he did. I don't think he. He just can't. I've stolen something back to him before.
Speaker 1:Have you ever stolen anything back to?
Speaker 3:him. Yeah, Recently I went to a shop near me. I went to a bank with a goat. I went to a pound stretcher recently and I put some toothpaste or something in my pocket without thinking. I came home and said to Jodie I don't think I paid for that. Yeah, there's only like a pound 50 or something, but still left. But yeah, not intentional.
Speaker 1:I've been in a shop with my nan and I would, I put like in my 20s, I think here and I said I got a magazine and I thought she'd like already paid for it. So I said, cause she were getting served and I was all, can I have this magazine? She was like yeah, I'll pay for it Whatever Took it out. Have you bought that? Then I went no, so I've nicked a magazine.
Speaker 3:And in that magazine, that rolled up magazine was a lobster, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:And some caviar was a lobster, yeah, and $5,000. Roll like 12. Yeah, but it's a great bit here as well where obviously, as I said earlier, the toilets don't work. But mainly you want to try it out, don't you, cause he needs a piss and they want to fill me in pissing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a bit odd, a bit odd.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can we stay for this? You can't fill me pissing. What are you talking about? Why not?
Speaker 3:No, you're not filming me.
Speaker 2:You're an agent, you can listen.
Speaker 1:I love. You can listen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I found this bit a little bit weird, I don't know. It's like, why did a TV crew want to do that? It's a bit odd, like you know, we obviously think Maitley's great, but I don't want to see or hear him.
Speaker 1:I've got no, I'd like to stay on record. I don't want to see him piss. I don't want to see his penis. To be honest, I mean, you know, if you've got pictures, don't send them away.
Speaker 3:No, no no, no, no, no, no, no. I was thinking I'm sure it's like of a decent standard, but I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1:It's a tall. Nobody walks around that confident if they haven't got a penis of a certain length.
Speaker 3:I didn't expect this episode to go down that route.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does it great that you're not going to play it, where he's talking to him and he's like saying, yeah, I understand what you're doing. You know I understand what you're doing, but it goes. But what happens when people say sponge it, you're a sponge.
Speaker 3:Straight in the bit after that. So he's come away from this, this place, with this multi million pound pad in London. It's brilliant, it's again it's. It's almost like I'm part of it. It might have been a bit of kind of Larry David, like how it's kind of state. He's walking down a street I don't know Is he backing Bristol or Brighton Bristol. He sees a guy walking with a mattress on his head, like he's kind of got a bit of a trolley thing to help him with. Yeah, he kind of run, he knows nothing about this guy.
Speaker 1:By the way, he's this stage because he said, hang on, that guy looks like a squatter and he's like, cause he's carrying a a a, a pair.
Speaker 3:Again, I don't think he would stage it. Why is he wandering around in middle?
Speaker 1:at night, though why is he wandering around in middle at night? It's dark, pitch black in Bristol and he's going, oh my God, like that guy over there looks like a squatter.
Speaker 3:It reminds me in the scene, cause he's got like his smart coat and remind me of Roger Moore sort of creeping up behind like that. Yeah, is that the assassin coming up behind? He grabs somebody's shoulder.
Speaker 1:Imagine if you're carrying a mattress you get tapped on shoulder and Richard Maitley's there. Can you imagine that?
Speaker 3:No, but I think this is a foreign guy who doesn't know he is. No, he doesn't know, but I mean, he looks in good shape in this point as well, like he's. He is a cool customer and he's kind of come swaggering down behind him. He's tapped him on the shoulder.
Speaker 1:But it's not like again, it's just like me, he's like more honest.
Speaker 3:It's got beat James Bond. This could be part of the.
Speaker 1:Bond plot. I think they're missing out. Yeah, get him in as James Bond Again. There's another bit where the male haters I'd use this as evidence against them he helps him. He helps him with the bed.
Speaker 3:It goes. Yeah, come on, let's get it across to him. Yeah, he ends up pushing the mattress with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brilliant, so he pushes this mattress to this squat. There's a great bit here where he's trying to jump over a wall to get to where the squat is, and I'll just play the flip there.
Speaker 3:I mentioned again, I think in the first episode. But yeah, brilliant, brilliant line. These are not my best genes.
Speaker 1:I love that. Why say that? Have you ever? If I said to you, liam Dunbar, on your best jumper mate like, you'd be saying are you ever funny? You know where? Would you be quick enough to say this is?
Speaker 3:not my best jumper yeah no, but you know, but again I don't think tonight.
Speaker 1:I think he knows what his best genes on, and then yeah, so it meets up with Tristan again here and they're in the bins like looking for food and stuff. And I didn't know this, that stealing from a bin is illegal.
Speaker 3:I did not know that yeah, I found this bit quite interesting, actually because my mum works doesn't work volunteers at like a food bank, where some of the supermarkets in this area give them some of their stuff and they give it to people who need it, but you know, which is great and is how things should be, but they're in the supermarket bins where there's loads of good food just being thrown away in it. Yeah, it is a slightly sort of sad reflection on society, fantastic.
Speaker 1:There are people who can't eat, and there's people and the supermarkets just chucking out loads and loads of stuff because it's either one day out a day or you know it's got a rip in the package or whatever there's a brilliant bit here, where he's talking to Tristan saying how'd you divide the food? And he's got loads of bread and then I'm going to play it for you and I love this. Nobody has ever asked this question before.
Speaker 2:Have you had any competition with other squatters? When you get there, will we find some others maybe.
Speaker 4:It's very rare that you bump into someone else yeah, it is rare, but if you did we would say oh, here we go. There's like a twi pack to that. We'll like share it with you.
Speaker 2:So no one's ever asked you to get them. You know some pass it to Foie Gras.
Speaker 1:I pissed myself on the spot. This is not one of the clips that's not on the jail video and I I'd not seen that. I love how we like. Is anyone why bring? Why that?
Speaker 4:Foie.
Speaker 3:Gras, yeah, I mean we obviously I've mentioned on the podcast several times before that White Boat's called me out on being in Paris, but yeah, we noticed that Foie Gras was on the menu quite a lot over there. Yeah, you don't get in this country, but yeah, do you know what I'm looking for that in?
Speaker 1:a bin. Imagine going to your squatter, though, and like I don't know.
Speaker 3:like coming back to you, I've looked out for some Foie Gras for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've got the frog one. I love a bit of that. If you want to bring that back Unbelievable, I know we've only got like old bread and some old cheetos.
Speaker 3:Nah, I'm not bothered by this.
Speaker 1:I'm not interested, mate. Nah, I only eat the best. And then this bit ends. I don't think we see Tristan after this. Actually it was like the sort of the urban wombo. But then we meet Dory. Is it Dory from America? I can't really work out. Yeah, this is an interesting one. This she's in the 50s and she gave up a high flying career to become a squatter. There's a brilliant bit when he first meets her here, actually.
Speaker 2:Are we roughly in age 59? 56.
Speaker 4:Here a bit rude. I recently celebrated. I celebrated the 29th anniversary of my 21st birthday in February.
Speaker 2:Okay, I get you.
Speaker 3:Oh, right, okay okay, this one was it. I find it really odd because I assume Squatters are living in a best kind of old mattress in an abandoned house. She seems to have like a really nice apartment. She's all decorated and it's really nice.
Speaker 1:I don't like to take it out, so it's obviously an abandoned in air quotations place. But it's all like he's saying well, decorate, maybe she's decorated it or put curtains up and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but clearly like but still. I assume Squatters are dark dingy room mattress on the floor. As we saw in the first clip, she's almost getting a free apartment and yeah, yeah, yeah and again. This is where you kind of challenge bike that well, you know, if you kind of at the end of you know you've got nothing, you live on the streets, you need a place to stay and be safe, that's fine. But I don't know. This is someone who gave up a high flying career, apparently.
Speaker 1:The best thing about this is to go, and live in somebody else's property rent free and what I laughed about this and maybe I shouldn't. You know, follow your dreams. I promise you're a high, high rising financer in America and she left to come to England to become a stand up comic. It's fun like hilarious because England or something. But yeah, she was trying to become a stand up comic basically.
Speaker 3:But yeah, basically it seems like she made no impression as a stand up comic, which is fine, but then you can't just then say, oh, so I'll just go and live in somebody's house.
Speaker 1:I don't understand this like I mean realistically, if I said, look, I'm going to make a go of being. If me and you both said, now we're going to make a go of this podcast, we're going to quit as jobs, surely a couple of years, that line where you're losing your money be saying this isn't working.
Speaker 3:And I think we're just being somebody else's house like yeah yeah, because we're laughing and I decided to go and live in somebody else's house. No, sorry, because we decided to make the podcast a go. We obviously have to live in somebody else's house. Yes, live in someone else's house.
Speaker 1:What I did find a bit sad about this woman actually is but also nice as well that she sees other squatters as a fan wife. She has no fan wife, you know. She hasn't got any brothers or sisters or anything like that. She's got no kids, no husband or anything and she, like she sees the squatters as her family. You know because obviously you know the younger people and stuff like that. She's 50, like maybe say something like you know most squatters that he comes across her in the 20s or 30s and she's in her 50s and I think she sort of sees herself almost like a mother in figure to all the rest of the squatters and stuff.
Speaker 3:But again and I don't want to be sort of really critical of her because we're not really criticised anyone throughout, but she's not living in it almost squalor that you expect when you talk. She's basically just got a really nice flat. You know, it's not. It's great to say yeah, I'm doing this from 50 in my 50s, in my 60s. I see myself as a mother figure. She seems to have dropped very lucky and found herself like a flat.
Speaker 3:That's basically something you would pay for, but she's not paying for it's not like some others where you think, well, yeah, they just need somewhere safe to sleep for the night. Of course that's yeah, you wouldn't want anyone to have to be out in the streets, you want anyone to not be safe. She's got like a seemingly really nice flat she's paying nothing for. And then you know, it's just kind of sort of say, ah yeah, but I see myself as a mother figure to all these. Well, yeah, but you're in a very different situation to see a lot of the other squatters we've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get this, but is she using sort of squatting as almost like a social thing? I don't know. It's hard to say this. You know, we've got, we've got, I don't know.
Speaker 3:squatting is like. I just normally sleep downstairs sometimes. It'd be great if there's a building opposite. I could just go and sleep in a bed in and say, yeah, I'm just gonna sleep here tonight because there's no one else in here, but I just you're in a really nice you know something.
Speaker 3:She's clearly sort of feeling under the spot yeah look, there's worth a lot of money and you're staying in it and you're paying nothing. And a lot of argument is often yeah, but we can't afford rent, and I get that. I think that's perfectly understandable, but then you're not.
Speaker 4:What would you say like what are they?
Speaker 1:saying like this is early on. We've not really mentioned. Is there quite a few in this documentary. They talk about that. They're artists and they're trying to, you know, make a career out of all, because obviously that's kind of Bohemian.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's obviously badly paid.
Speaker 1:But you do hear stories of great artists who have had to sleep raw for you know, had to squat and stuff, and then they've gone on to be fantastic artists. I think the difference with this one of what Mairley points out is that a lot of those people in the 20s and 30s, whereas this woman's in her 50s and well, I also think it's a choice, for I think that's the difference.
Speaker 3:I think if you end up you know if things go wrong for you and you end up in a really bad position and actually the choice is either do you sleep on the street or do you go and stay in this property, that seems quite easy If you're in a kind of you know what she says is high flying, high money industry.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah choose to go and move in the property.
Speaker 3:That's the best thing. I struggle with quite a lot.
Speaker 1:I genuinely look. If this is not legal, I have no issues with this if the landlord's not bothered about it. You know Bohemian lifestyle and stuff like that. I think it's not quite romantic about it. Almost you know I don't exist in your society.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just kind of self surviving. Yeah, you know, just generate what you need to survive, enjoy life.
Speaker 1:She does say. This woman, like Mairley, says do you see yourself here? You know forever. She goes on only two years. I want to be out and marry an album of my own house. I mean to go from squatting to own your own house. You know, I'm trying to like buy an house. Now I can try to save money.
Speaker 3:I think she's got money in the bank. She's a bit of an impostor, to be honest, in this situation. I think she's managed to find a free flat that she can do quite nicely, but if things all went wrong, she's not gonna end up on the street, she's gonna end up, oh well. Well then I'll have to buy a 200,000 pound house in the suburbs she comes across to me anyway.
Speaker 1:But then we this is the other side of the story we meet Mary. I felt really sorry, for she had learning difficulties, mary, and then she was given a flight by the council to escape from a violent boyfriend. But once she got there, a squatter had already got there before she actually moved in. I saw that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But yeah, I don't know if this is what you're gonna say, but they're kind of a state agent or the property manager. Yeah, the fastest speaking person in the world I've heard speaking is only twice, I think, speaks you. Camera, but this is the fastest speaker in the.
Speaker 2:West it's expensive what do you think about this new legislation where, from September, if somebody does that again, there'll be a criminal and the police can come and arrest them? Do you think it'll make things much easier and cheap before you? But once it's criminalized and we're hoping it is good having effect.
Speaker 3:Until we actually see it in place, I'm not gonna know actually how it's going to work.
Speaker 2:Everybody's saying, well, wait and see. But theoretically it would mean that if this, if this happened in the future and it was where she would still be able to move in, probably same day.
Speaker 1:And she would have been able to move into property. Yes, she's honestly like a rapper. He's unbelievable, like Eminem.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like fucking yeah, fuck it, yeah. But I feel really like sort of sorry for this, mary, because obviously you know you can tell your face is blank tab, you can tell where she speaks, you know she's got learning difficulties and stuff, so I mean the soldiers.
Speaker 3:It's laying it on thick as well. But you know, obviously is a real situation. But she's got learning difficulties and she comes from an abusive past relationship and she has to be home for eight weeks because, yeah, she was off for the safe space. Somebody else was in there. She had nowhere to live for eight weeks because they couldn't kick. Same old story. They couldn't actually kick this guy out because they couldn't prove that he'd broken into the property.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which I thought that and I really didn't know about this law, I didn't know that about at all.
Speaker 3:about that there's a brilliant thing is that, as Richard explains to us, that what the law change should fix is that If it's a residential property, you can't, you know it doesn't matter you, you need to be kicked, and I actually think that's right. And again, we're getting close to the end, we're getting close to our summary, but I actually think that's right. I think if it, you know, if it's a, if it's not some way people live and there's nobody in it and there's no activity, yeah, people have gone in there to be safe and secure. I think that's fine. See, if this is somebody's place or potentially where they could live, or where they might live or where these live some of the year, you can't just go in and say, no, this is mine now. That doesn't work, yeah and I do really.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a brilliant bit here from made like, where this is a really serious situation. It's talks about a really serious situation where you know she got abused and you know she's got learned to put chest be almost for eight weeks and mainly says like on the over, that was really mad. But as they're entering what would have been her house, he says this for nearly eight weeks.
Speaker 2:Mary was, in effect, homeless While the housing association tried to evict the squatter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that. And I saw she says, oh yeah, balkan it. That would have been nice, like.
Speaker 1:It's brilliant lights in on this. This could have been your home. I really sad. Yeah, you're gonna get in there for a squatter. I don't believe them all. And it does end on a high no really, where he meets 15 squatters In a in what's they called the grow Heathrow squad and these squatters have set up about environmental project again, artists again. I think it's open environmental projects with schools and stuff, and the people in the area want these people to stay because they haven't been in a you know. Again, it's an abandoned Waste land. I think he classes it as them, but obviously it's home by somebody and they have turned this into this unbelievably green Area that I have to admit I could live there.
Speaker 3:It's a really sort of nice project is I think it's a clever way to end it because we can't. I can't relate to these people. That that's the situation they're in. They have nothing. They they feel they need to go and live somewhere that maybe they don't own, but they can justify that because they have no else I get.
Speaker 3:I get all that. But it is a great ending because basically this is a community project. Yeah, they've offered something that actually said you know, the local people Really want them to be there. The schools have engaged with it. Yeah, I thought it was a really nice kind of way to end to say you know, I Would presume, mainly based on what I know of him, would be dead against squatters.
Speaker 1:But actually the final point on this is that you know what they can be actually great to community if Should we go to made this final thoughts, the last bit of the documentary, and this is a little bit about it.
Speaker 2:I didn't come into this with anything more really than a series of question marks and, yes, possibly some simple prejudices, which is informed by newspaper headlines, I certainly didn't expect to discover. What I discovered, and what that is really, is that you can't label Squatting simply. It's a complex world that these people live in and in that sense it's like any other social group. You know it doesn't take kindly to an easy simple label. So they're not sure you're glad you met the squatters. I'm very glad I met the squatters and I wouldn't have discovered what I know about them now Forever if I hadn't done I think he says something like you know.
Speaker 1:I wasn't expecting that, you know, and I think some great squatters out there yeah.
Speaker 3:Interesting I thought. I thought it was a really good documentary, as we've said, I think, mr Start, but I thought it was really interesting. Well, do you have a kind of final thought on on the squatters?
Speaker 1:I think maybe it sums it up really well. Actually and I'm not just saying this because I'm a massive fan of him I think it's not black and white. There's loads of different. Yeah, I think the, the millionaire house where no one's in and no one's taking any care of, is, I think the fact that there's a million houses or a million properties, what a vacant and we've got so many homeless. It's just outrageous.
Speaker 3:He doesn't make any sense like in any sort of You're right, but but nobody lives in the shed and our garden.
Speaker 1:But if I know what you mean by that, the millionaire house that we saw, the massive estate, the mansion, not not the guy who actually came out, the one that had been left. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean I don't think there's anything wrong and I think I took from it is is that should be looked at.
Speaker 3:And this is so ridiculous. This would never happen. But if you've got this abandoned property, that Then they're no longer squatters, but then you almost agree to let free tenants be in there as almost. Yeah, security, look after the plot, they won't damage it. You always want to sign a contract that they'll do.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, yeah yeah but they will just maintain this, and now, that's not realistic. Well, I know you'd me, was it? These people is, and at times they'll sort of say, yeah, I get it from the public, it's not great, but I'm not gonna do any damage. Yeah, I, just how far do you push that? I'd love to sort of Say to one of these wumbles like, yeah, come, come into this property, I have a free, nice, warm, hot shower, clean yourself up. Then, while I was in the shower, put his clothes on over mine and say, well, another mine, now you, you don't own Anything, so go back out. It's a London naked because your clothes weren't being used, and I've put one over the top of mine now. And they'd say, well, now, this is outrageous. I Think it's fine to Fight a humbly use things and say, look, I'm not proud of my actions at the minute, I haven't got anything else, but it's this smugness of well, yeah, you're not using your third house, so I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 1:I Think that's the whole thing, though, and I think Maley says this to the, the woman in the big house that, and you know it's part of it sticking two fingers up almost the cap. Yeah. To say you know, well, you know, I've got nothing, you've got fucking seven hours, is like how dare you Make me live on the streets when you've got seven hours and six of them You're not using?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's that position often kind of well. I love to really put people on the spot where to say that is, you want to put on this, this gold suit. Yeah, I'll put on your gold suit. Take off clothes. I'll put on your clothes. Now they're mine, the gold suits not there anymore.
Speaker 1:You want to see what was naked. What's this?
Speaker 3:I want to see me. I want to be behind the screen. I can't see anything but what.
Speaker 1:Get down that screen first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what I want to say, though, is Ah, but do you now understand that you, you've, now your clothes are gone because I've put them on? I know?
Speaker 1:what you say. They say that they say they have nothing. They say they have nothing, but they do have clothes on the back.
Speaker 3:Or I could take the controls and say, yeah, I'll take you. Yeah, I don't want to take it. I'm just saying it's such a smug position to be in to say, oh yeah, we've got your stuff because you don't need it. Well, that's fine, but you don't have anything that anyone else needs. If somebody else, you know If, if the person who has less than them takes their stuff off them, yeah, they just roll over and say, oh yeah, they're less than me. I don't think they would. I think they would say, no, that was my place to sleep. I sleep there. That's my mattress.
Speaker 1:Well, I think as well. You don't know everyone's situation, so maybe I don't have two properties, but if I had two properties, there might be a reason behind that. Yeah, my mom might have passed away something like that. She's left that property on abroad, or something like that.
Speaker 3:Jobs to pay the mortgage on properties that you've inherited, one you can't really afford the upkeep on it. It's quite lazy to say, yeah, they've got more than me so I can take from them. And again, you know this is done from a position of privilege with. We're not bankrupt, we're not living on the streets. People listen to this and not living on the streets. Yeah, I get this. People in very extreme circumstances who need to look after themselves and their loved ones.
Speaker 1:I don't think any of us a, but I don't think either of us are saying that it shouldn't people be squatting. I think we were saying that people shouldn't be squatting. Don't come and live in a money shed is what I'm saying. Don't yeah I think people are saying, like, if the people don't want you squatting in their premises, which is what they bought, then yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:But I'll mind someone living in the shed, but Be respectful, you know if. If I don't know you there, good luck to if you. Where does it end? Like the start off? In the shed? Next minute You're in the kitchen friend the bacon. Yeah, the frame my bacon. Where does that end? So I don't want that.
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