Living With Madeley
"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
Living With Madeley
Series 8 Episode 1 - Richard and Judy - In Our Own Words
In our first episode of the new series, we take a closer look at the main man himself as we review "Richard And Judy - In Our Own Words". We reminisce about the iconic TV duo's 35-year journey that captured the hearts of millions. We even touch on Richard's quirky fashion choices and share some laughs over old interview clips that showcases his undeniable charm.
The episode takes a deeper look into the impactful and at times controversial world of TV presenters. Hear about Tony Wilson's colorful personality and how public perception shifted during his cancer battle. We also examine Richard's tendency to dominate conversations, his undeniable chemistry with Judy, and the heartwarming story of their first kiss in a taxi. Controversial moments in television are not left out; from the inappropriate behavior of a weatherman to the toxic work environment allegations at "This Morning" after Richard and Judy's departure, we leave no stone unturned.
Finally, we reflect on the evolution of daytime TV and its significance throughout our lives, reminiscing about Richard and Judy's memorable interviews with figures like Bill and Hillary Clinton. We also discuss Monty Don's whimsical presence, the legacy of Les Dennis, and the enduring impact of Richard and Judy's authentic interviewing style. Join us for a nostalgic trip down memory lane, celebrating the enduring legacy of Richard and Judy.
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to series 8 of the TV nostalgia-based podcast Living With Madeley. I'm one of the hosts, I'm Liam. The other host is Andrew and he's with me. And good evening.
Speaker 3:How's things, mate? Series 8. If you're new to this, it's called Living With Madeley, because Richard Madeley, the main man, himself, has been on our TV screens, we think, more than any other person since we've been alive.
Speaker 2:This episode kind of captures that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's why I said it, Because this episode we're doing today it's actually, it's good, it's a modern one for us because we normally do nostalgic, but this is sort of nostalgic because it's a look back. This was on last month on Channel 5, and it's Richard and Judy, in our own words, and I thought this probably, like I say, captures the reason why we call this show Living With Abley, because so many events on this. I sort of like half forgot our memories and stuff. Yeah, I think it's perfect. He's the ever-present in my life.
Speaker 2:He's the ever-present in my life and I think what we tried to sort of say all the way back to series one was that he's been the constant on our TV viewing sort of lives, and this sums up this means three and a half decades, 35 years so, since we were sort of what, six coming up to seven years old, and we've obviously based it on on Richard. And then I did think towards the end, like, uh, are we being a bit unfair on Judy Finnegan?
Speaker 3:I think the thing with judy is obviously she's so I don't know if she's semi-retired. I won't like to put those.
Speaker 2:She's taking a step back, hasn't yeah, but richard, yeah richard's still doing gmb.
Speaker 3:Um good morning britain, obviously. So yeah, so it does work, it does work being sexist.
Speaker 2:It does work. Richard is is still doing it. Judy stepped away. That's why, yeah, yeah, and to be fair, he, he generally steals the headlines, doesn't he? He does, he does to be fair.
Speaker 3:So this is an overview of their career. Richard and judy, as you say, I think it's 35 years in uh in the industry and it starts with judy. We'll get straight into it. It's a two-hour uh show there, so we don't want to, like you know, we don't want to waste time with idle chit chat, and it's also like judy just talking about how she was the first female newsreader on angular uh tv. Yeah, I didn't know that, neither the old man, joe, the clip of the old man talking about miniskirts. Yeah, you won't get away with that these days, would you? You won't get away with that. Um, so he says, like she asked this old man like do you like miniskirts? Because I don't mind them on younger ones, yeah, he's about 90 as well, isn't he Like?
Speaker 2:he's probably not, he's probably about 50, but he looks about 90. Just by the way, I don't think anyone probably if they haven't seen it already will want to go back and watch this. But this is on Five On Demand and this show is actually about an hour and 35, I think, yeah with the adverts. You have to watch the adverts, you can't skip them. So it will take about two hours of your time if you want to join us on this one.
Speaker 3:So just listen to this by the way, we both mentioned this as we started. So what happens is the show clips and stuff and Richard and Judy are sort of doing the voiceover for it. Do you want to mention Richard's outfit that you were very impressed by, as always are, yeah well, it's so.
Speaker 2:they're not doing the main part of the voiceover. I can't remember what it is, but it cuts back to them in their modern-day house and they're reflecting back on their life. But yeah, I mean Judy's wearing a floral dress. She's as you'd expect. She looks glamorous. But Richard is wearing a white Wrangler T-shirt with a little red logo on, a cream suit jacket and some stonewashed jeans. It looks an incredible montage to the 90s, even though this is released this year. It looks a million dollars.
Speaker 3:Very mine, it does look good. Yeah, I'll give him that. I mean bloody hell. I mean I should probably know this being a mainly aficionado. But how old is this? My 68.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he looks fantastic. I mean, Judy looks great, but Richard is like an Adonis, isn't he? He looks fantastic.
Speaker 3:I know you were asking him for ID and stuff, I reckon in clubs and things like that still even at his age.
Speaker 2:Do you reckon he could play James Bond now? Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, I'm going to say.
Speaker 3:I don't know what his acting skills are like, but there is a bit in this actually where he's on Chum's SMT with Judy. I thought they were both fantastic in that acting, genuinely fantastic. The play, sorry Dex's mum, mum and dad, mum and dad, yeah, yeah. Anyway, rich comes in and I have to quote this. He said that when he was growing up he wanted to be a quote here a supersonic jet fighter pilot for the rf.
Speaker 2:It just sums him up. Don't know how he's a wordsmith, because anyone else did say yeah, I always wanted to be a jet pilot, which I think he does say initially. And then he says yeah, I always wanted to be a supersonic jet fighter pilot.
Speaker 3:Yeah brilliant, but he went into jobless.
Speaker 3:The next logical step after that is journalism and he started his career on a radio, caroline, in the 1970s, but it was. He went to calendar, which I didn't know. We were on calendar on yorkshire tv. To be honest, I'm gutted that I weren't young enough to uh to be alive, to see his his first steps into the, into the world of tv. Um, is it here where judy says because he's a bit more essex, he sounds a bit more essex here, don't they like when in his early days?
Speaker 2:well, he does, but then he kind of cuts to some of his first dialogue and he's I don't know if it's kind of the way you had to be them.
Speaker 3:He actually sounds more posh when he's doing his kind of radio talking yeah, judy says she finds his uh, essex accent sexy, but, but Richard's big break came on. One of his calendar reports on the Rubik's Cube, which is a proper ooh. Remembers the Rubik's Cube. When anyone talks about the 70s that is like if you see a montage of stuff from the 70s, that's always there, isn't it? I got into Rubik's Cubes last year. I wanted to. I thought you would. I was about to ask you. Yeah, I thought you were massively up your alley.
Speaker 2:I never did it. As a kid I might have had one, but never sort of figured it out, but then, yeah, I think might have even been in COVID, I can't remember, but not that long ago I decided I wanted to master the Rubik's Cube. But I think to sort of consider yourself a master, you have to something like a minute, and I could do like a minute ten or something. So I never quite got down to like the upper echelons.
Speaker 3:I mean, they were a massive craze. This is why Richard got his big break, because he covered it, and it's mad.
Speaker 2:The local news feature went on to ITN.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:National News, didn't it? That was literally where people thought why this guy? Let's have some more of him.
Speaker 3:Well, he got signed up by Granada and the exec at Granada said he was sharply dressed and his ego was visible. I love that.
Speaker 1:That's a great summary, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, his ego was visible. He said he wore a sky blue suit on his first day. Judy said he looks like a total prat. He says he looks like Tory boy. At first I thought he was saying like a Tory boy but he actually means ari enfield characters, don't they?
Speaker 2:it's all right, yeah, yeah, I assume. So. Yeah, but it's, it's a fairly sort of obscure reference, isn't it, tory boy?
Speaker 3:it's all right, um, so this is where it's obviously. Uh, by this point, judy had already moved to granada as well. So this is how they met, and this is richard's description of how they first ever met for 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I suddenly felt two hands on my shoulders from behind and this voice said I'm your mummy. And I turned around and it was.
Speaker 2:It was this beautiful blonde and it seemed an old thing to say interesting that, yeah, effectively she, she was his minder, and I mean sort of cruel people over the years have kind of sort of said oh yeah, she's a lot older than him.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's a huge difference in age is there.
Speaker 3:Morrissey, for one, said what did he say? He said something. I'm not going to take advice of someone who married his own mother. So, yeah, there were always those claims or whatever like that Must be fairly similar in age.
Speaker 2:I do liked it. Must be fairly similar in age. I do like it.
Speaker 3:Let me have a look, judy Finnegan.
Speaker 2:Have you got the stats?
Speaker 3:Judy Finnegan. Daniel Finnegan's come out. Judy Finnegan 76 as well. What Not watching it at all?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a little bit older than him, yeah, but not certainly not In about eight years, nothing nothing, nothing these days.
Speaker 3:Anyway, we went with Tony Wilson of Factory Records fame, which I did know about this, but I think there's a really good bit here. I'm not going to play the clip or anything, but do you know when he talks about how Tony Wilson taught him not to care what people think, Because he definitely doesn't care what people think. Whatever you think of what you make like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good, lifeless in that, wasn't it Because I was going to lead the notes? You ended up leading the notes, but could you tell what word it says? Someone has spray paint on the wall. Tony Wilson is a. I think it says wanker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that, because if you blur the words out, you can't hear what they said. So Rich drove past some graffiti saying Tony Wilson is a. I think he says Tony Wilson is a wanker. I think he says Tony Wilson is a wanker. Yeah, I agree, actually yeah. And Rich was saying you know, are you okay with this? And Tony Wilson said do you want to be on TV? And Rich said yeah. So he says well, that makes us wankers.
Speaker 1:then and Rich was like yeah, yeah, correct correct.
Speaker 2:Well, he said yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3:I have to let people think what they think of you, and that's it. I also documentary Tony Wilson. Just before he died he had cancer and he said I spent my entire life with people shouting prick and wanker at me and stuff, because then, as soon as they found out I had cancer, everyone's saying oh, do you know what? You were absolutely fantastic. It's just incredible how everyone changed like overnight.
Speaker 3:There's a good quote from a rich here. Actually, he says a lot of tv presenters have very sharp elbows and they make it all about them, which is a bit rich from someone I have to admit as a massive fan of made. Like who can turn any richard made? They can turn any conversation into an anecdote about himself, like I, I love this. When he used to do um, the right stuff when matthew wright were off, it didn't matter what they were talking about. Like they would say I don't know, should dogs be able to, you know, pee in public, you know? Or should you do it in your garden or whatever? Well, I know this guy and he's got a dog and every single situation he's got something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got an anecdote for every situation and I think also for all he's saying about how him and Judy's chemistry was great and there's a lot of people, like you said, sharp elbow pushing each other out of the way for the limelight. You can see how physically hard it is for him all the time to not keep jumping in over Judy, I think. I think he just about holds it together, but there are times when he's trying to finish the sentences and he's trying to jump in and I think, yeah, it in. And I think, yeah, it's clearly something I think he's had to work very hard on that. I think their chemistry does work, but I think he's often on the edge of taking the lead and by managing to reign that in. I think that's how the dynamic duo worked all these years.
Speaker 3:I wonder if it would have worked if it wasn't his wife, if you know what I mean, because I know he does it now with Susanna Reid and stuff. But obviously he's developed now as a presenter. I butt in all the time I've got massive sympathy for him and he also does things. Another thing that he does like a tick that I've got as well, where he'll sort of get four words out at once. I notice in this He'll say what happened. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:And then he'll start a sentence of ways, but I will give you that one.
Speaker 3:Well, brothers. So he first kissed Judy on the way back from a report in Blackpool. They were in a fair. He'll be open about that. They don't actually mention it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't get that bit though because, sorry, he kind of implied something a bit seedy. I thought he said it was there in the unlit backseat of the taxi that things started to happen, and then she kind of said, well, yeah, no, well, no, hold on, it was nothing physical, we just got close, yeah. But obviously they were I think they were both with other people at the time- yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:I think that's right yeah whether she's just sort of trying to be be nice to their partners and he's just enjoying the seediness of it. I don't know, but they did seem to be on a slightly different page how they described it, I thought well on the back the first thing they ever did together before granada.
Speaker 3:Uh, telephone, remember telephone. This is a massive memory in my lifetime. This met telephone.
Speaker 2:Being young, I only know of this through like american sort of sitcoms and cartoons where they go to live broadcasts of telephones. I don't, I don't ever remember anything about this.
Speaker 3:I think it was three years and it was basically like comic relief, but all the money went to disabled people until the disabled people a lot of disabled people organised protests against telethon because they said that they reinforced negative stereotypes of disabled people. So I'm quite interested in this. I looked into the telethon and I was looking at some of the stuff and it's quite sort of. They're obviously trying to do the right thing, but it's so patronizing towards disabled people. We should probably do one actually.
Speaker 2:Michael aspel presenting it, so is it aspen can you asple I think um, can you give an example without being controversial? We've not, because I don't know about this what like sort of gervais type look at this little fellow in his chair, and that a little bit yeah, I'm like, oh, you're doing so well, and these people aren't mentally disabled, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:they're just physically disabled, so they sort of talk to what the bits? I saw the clips. They sort of talk down to him, right I'm not saying richard judy did this, by the way. I've not seen their clips but and like I say, I think it's a lot of things when people are trying To do the right thing and sort of fail and I don't think there's anything. I mean the fact it stopped Is because you know A lot of.
Speaker 2:There might be something we have to look into. I don't know much about that.
Speaker 3:Well, off, not slagging disabled people off, but off the back of this.
Speaker 2:They got the gig for this morning, and this is where yeah, that's true, by the way, because I sometimes wonder with these anecdotes where, like, there was a meeting going on live between the Granada bigwigs, as Richard tells it, and they just weren't sure who to put on as presenters. I mean imagine taking it that far to the final meeting and then Richard and Judy flashed up on screen and he said that's them, that's who we want, it's them.
Speaker 3:It can't have happened. I mean, a lot of people talk. I mean I like to talk a good tale. As you know, I don't think I'm a liar, but I do think I exaggerate.
Speaker 2:You sometimes blur three or four anecdotes into one superb anecdote, don't you? Do you think that's?
Speaker 1:kind of what you're doing.
Speaker 3:It things that did happen. Yeah, I can't, yeah, but I, and I think this is what happens with other people on it, especially in tv, where it's all like it's a nice story, isn't it like they're going oh, what we're gonna do, oh, my god, who are they? Do you know who's this cool customer?
Speaker 3:and who's attractive is that his wife. Oh my god, this is gold. Get him in, um, but after this. So we get this morning starts, obviously, and we get a rundown of the some, some of the regulars that they had on this morning. No mention of Fred the Weatherman, I must say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that threw me a bit actually because well, there's a bit that happens later that I'd completely forgotten about. But yeah, one thing I do remember. A very sort of key memory of this morning was Fred jumping about on the map. A key memory of this morning was Fred jumping about on the map. Now, obviously, he got done for some I can't remember what it was that he ended up getting in trouble for Indecent assault, ah right, so it is sort of more extreme than I thought, and sexual assault, and sexual assault of a male at the age of 16.
Speaker 3:So, once again, we do not condone the weatherman's behavior just because he jumps about on a map mate. I don't think he can get away with it. Um, he used to condone his weather reporting.
Speaker 2:We do not condone his actions away from the map, the floating map, yeah, yeah ian brown, so rosa singer.
Speaker 3:um, I think he used to be a teacher at his school or something and he said they all thought he were a raving paedophile. I think that's fair to say from that, but anyway, he's not mentioned on this one.
Speaker 2:Well, I suppose that makes sense, but I mean they could have mentioned the weather reporting without him, but I'm surprised they didn't actually do a sort of feature on it when it came out. That's very much in their wheelhouse, isn't it to analyse that?
Speaker 3:I came out. That's very much in their wheelhouse, isn't it? To analyse that I'm just reading now. Actually, ian Brown actually told a call that the TV weatherman tried to sexually abuse his friend on a school trip. To knock the woods for the stone roses.
Speaker 2:So that's probably why they didn't mention that bit.
Speaker 3:Anyway the other ones, the cleaner ones, susan Brooks, who was a chef.
Speaker 2:I remember her. Yeah, definitely, she reminded me of. It's not Deirdre Rashid I'm trying to think of, but it's.
Speaker 1:It looks like Deirdre.
Speaker 2:Rashid. It was somebody, though in a TV show. I can't think of it, so it's not worth even mentioning. I wish I hadn't, to be honest.
Speaker 3:She's up there with John Major and Graham Taylor in the biggest glasses. Yeah, of the 90s, I reckon, awards Denise Robertson, arguably the most famous one. I think the Agony Am. I never liked her. I know you shouldn't speak to the dead and it's just a personal thing, mate. I just didn't like this sort of well. Just do that then. She really just didn't like this sort of well.
Speaker 2:just yeah, just do that then she didn't give him good advice and stuff.
Speaker 3:But I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be doing you to yourself, pet. I don't remember ever saying that. Certainly it sounded like a jamaican. Anyway, I don't think you're doing that pep. Um, yes, denise roberts, uh, denise robertson. Uh, chris, who was their own GP, chris?
Speaker 2:Steele.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you what sorry.
Speaker 2:Chris Steele wasn't it Chris Steele.
Speaker 3:Did you know that his son, Andrew Steele, is an international athlete competing in the 400 metres of Great Britain? No, what now?
Speaker 2:Or has done.
Speaker 3:I just read it off Wikipedia, so I'm not sure to be honest.
Speaker 2:I'm not well into my flakes, but I just read it off Wikipedia so I'm not sure. To be honest, I'm not well into my flakes, but I don't know him. I mean, how old would, how old would GP Chris Steele be now? He'd be in his 70s, wouldn't he? So I'm guessing his son's probably retired from international athletics yeah, possibly, but he'd be their actual GP.
Speaker 3:That's really interesting, that where they said like we need, oh, we yeah, I didn't know that, I didn't know that I'll get my GP, yeah.
Speaker 2:They'd used him on local news features, apparently as well before, so they knew he was up for it. Was he a Geordie as well? Where was he from?
Speaker 3:Were you? A Geordie Can't be, were I? I don't know. Where are you from, actually, dr Chris Steele, was he Scottish? Was he Scottish? He was from. He is from. Should I say Wallsend? Where's Wallsend? Oh, it is, yeah, sorry, right, yeah, time Tying him here. Another Geordie, quite softly spoken, weren't I? Aye, you don't say that To me, man, and that's Jamaican again, but yeah.
Speaker 2:There's got a wee problem With that knee mate. Does that one Come on show?
Speaker 3:With your scrotum and then he was problem with your scrotum and then he was. I think he was replaced by Dr Dr Range. Remember Dr Range?
Speaker 2:No, so I don't think he replaced him as such. I think he was more the kind of psychological man, weren't he? Rather than the physical? Sorry, my mistake.
Speaker 3:So Dr Range quietly left this morning two years ago after a decade on the show because he claimed he was managed out by ATV bosses after raising concerns about toxicity. Now, who am I to put a rumour and innuendo out there? But I think this has got to be Phil, hasn't it?
Speaker 2:Phil, who's Phil?
Speaker 3:Schofield.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's Well. He's kind of done that late in the day, hasn't he? He didn't have anything to say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm really concerned about it. All I'm saying is this would not have happened on Richard's watch. I'm telling you that it sounded like an awful show. Actually Genuinely it sounded like an awful show, actually genuinely sounded like an awful, awful show to work on once these two had gone, richard and Judy. You know, obviously Eamon Holmes has come out and said it. There's about three or four other people said it's horrible and stuff. You look at it now, what we're watching in this documentary and everyone seems a proper team as we'll get to when they leave Liverpool and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:You sort of describe it as a family, don't they? And it does seem very, very close, doesn't it? Yeah, it does seem very genuine.
Speaker 3:And then you watch Phil and Holly, especially now as we know what's going on with Whitehall and stuff, and it just seems so false. Anyway, Brian Turner, the chef, obviously famous Brian Turner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves him. I think he gets the credit he deserves him. I think he's seen as a ready, steady cook bit of a laughingstock man, but I think he was James Martin's mentor, so give him the credit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they're fantastically named Monty Don. Are you a fan of Monty Don?
Speaker 2:No, he kind of looks like I don't know, like in a in a book, like he'd be the sort of farmer that the kids stay away from, like the the wild man, don't go near that farmer, you know, monty Don, I don't know, I don't know Jamaican.
Speaker 3:Again, I was trying to be cool, don't go near that farmer man.
Speaker 2:Don't go near Monty Don. No, no, Monty Don sounds like in sort of Jamaican dialect. It could mean something dodgy, doesn't it? You mind a bit of a Monty Don that.
Speaker 3:Nigerian that Nigerian language yeah, yeah. Monty Don's dad was a former heavyweight boxing champion in the army, so Monty Don took up boxing to impress him, but gave up after getting knocked out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these things happen in boxing, don't they?
Speaker 3:But this was a massive success this morning. I mean me and you will associate Richard and Judy being on it with pulling sickies at school or whatever Do you know what I mean, or actually being sick and laying on your set A with your mum giving you some Lou Kazade or whatever to try and get you better.
Speaker 2:We might re-record our first ever episode, which shows some of the way we kind of did Richard Madeley, some of the global success you had based off the back of Richard Madeley. But yeah, one thing that we said back then is, absolutely in this era, this was associated with if you were off sick, your mum would sort of say, well, you're not playing your Atari or whatever, you'll have to sit on yourself if you're not well, and this was like a good way to pass.
Speaker 2:I always thought it was about four hours long. I didn't know it was 90 minutes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's two hours, isn't it? Were it 90 minutes, sorry, you said.
Speaker 2:I thought they said 90 minutes, whether that's what that's worth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whatever it was. Yeah, that probably sounds right 90 minutes, but yeah, to me I don't know how time goes slower, doesn't it when you're a kid? I think To me we were on for all day this morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weeks, weren't they like episodes? Yeah, I don't know. It really threw me that because I thought almost like a going live, that was like a sort of 9 till 12. I pictured it as something like that.
Speaker 3:What? What was it like? 10 till after 11? Anyway, yeah, huge success. He got 65% of the audience share at that time, which is incredible. I know there's not that much on. There were obviously only four channels then, but that's still massive.
Speaker 2:I always think that was a bit low because presumably for some of that there was only three channels, and when you think about what else was on?
Speaker 3:No, channel 4 were at 1982, so we're after Channel 4. But what would have been on Channel 4 at that time? I think they had BBC schools, didn't they Like kids' stuff on Channel 4 at that time in the morning I think, like what's his name? Pugwall. I don't know why you slaughter him, but yeah, no, no, that wouldn't have been. I'm telling you, pugwall were flying around on Channel 4.
Speaker 2:Read and write and stuff like that maybe.
Speaker 3:That would be.
Speaker 2:BBC, weren't it Wordy and all that yeah but, not Pugwall, wouldn't it be midweek Channel 4, would it.
Speaker 3:Let me have a look at BBC One 1988, what was on in the morning at this time, 10 o'clock Top Cat, top Cat, birthday greetings. 5 to 11? Don't remember 5 to 11. That must be it.
Speaker 2:Is this weekend. You've got here.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Sorry, that's the 1st of January. This is a completely different. Let me have a look March. Let's put March in BBC One, march 1988. Here we go when was Kilroy.
Speaker 2:When was Robert Kilroy Silk?
Speaker 3:Silk. Yeah, actually, you're completely as soon as you said it, it came on.
Speaker 2:Was it.
Speaker 3:Kilroy, yeah, kilroy, yeah. Tuesday 1st of March 1988, kilroy with Robert Kilroy Silk. You want to come out with your friend, but he's a complete prick. Do you know what I mean? All them sort of things. Children's BBC with Andy Crane. Rick. Do you know what I mean? All them sort of things. Children's BBC with Andy Craig. You want to watch the show instead of watching Ritz and Jardine. You want to watch Chiari, but you're the half. Wants to watch this Morning?
Speaker 2:I'm quite good at that one.
Speaker 3:I'm quite good at that. I like that. As they talk about the success, I don't know why they do this. They show a clip from the night. He's a Neil Morrissey, a Martin Clunes who obviously men behaving badly who claimed they'd been up all night watching the Mission Impossible. Living to the Mission Impossible premiere, clunes is drinking a can of beer, like on set. So night he's like you never get away with that. Now neither.
Speaker 2:I drinking a can of beer. I think he answers that really well as well, don't it? Because I think richard says oh, did you see what happened with the, the incident where tom cruise saved the girl behind a barrier, or something like that? Michael says yeah, that's his version.
Speaker 3:I thought he responded to that really well, yeah, yeah, but they're so, so laddish they are so obviously, when you talk about lad culture at night is you're like oasis and tfiFI Friday and all that. These two were proper, proper lads, especially Neil Morrissey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where would this have sat in the Les Dennis?
Speaker 3:story it would have been around this time. Yeah, Because obviously Les Dennis in extras says, where do you want to go back to? And he says, how about 1992? So yeah, we're talking about this time. Yeah, Obviously this was huge and the viewers got to know him and, uh, to the point where they'd even know where they had a row. And I've got another clip here where rich talks about that it's very funny.
Speaker 1:We used to get to the studio, sometimes having had a row, and she would storm off to make up, and I go to my dressing room, I go to my seat, and then she'd leave makeup and I'm brushed past her and I go, and then we'd go to the studio floor and sit down. Okay, here we go, and the music would play and we'd be on and, you know, within a minute the phone in room was getting calls from viewers. This is how well they knew They'd say they've had a row, haven't they?
Speaker 2:They knew it's well done that because a kind of sort of false anecdote, I think. They probably did get people saying, oh yep, they're not happy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've got the notes. Is this kind of before we come to the phone-ins?
Speaker 3:Well, that's a little bit after. Well, you can talk about it now if you want. We're going to bring that up when Diana died and stuff.
Speaker 2:But if you want to talk about that now, well, no, I thought that one before then and this kind of captured the hard-hitting moments on the show because they did with Denise Robertson they got a phone in from a woman who basically said, since she got married, her husband had been beating her up and they said, look, you're going to have to do something about this, you're going to have to go to Citizens Advice and get this resolved. And she said, you know, kind of audibly upset, she couldn't leave the house, she'd been locked in.
Speaker 3:And I thought quite moving the way they dealt with that, so that woman must have been at the absolutely like end of a tether to phone this morning. It's obviously a cry for help. National TV that's probably the final straw for her, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Like sort of I'm going to say this and I think there are people obviously trusted.
Speaker 2:I don't want to name people, but who would have sort of eyes would have lit up straight to camera like this is gold Jeremy Kyle? Yeah, exactly yeah, but get him in here now. Where is he? He seemed so I thought it was quite kind of well handled as well. Richard sort of said look, you know, do you feel able to phone the police? Do you want us to do that for you? And then they kind of came to the conclusion of look, we'll speak to you after the show. This is not the end of this. And yeah, I found that kind of quite powerful actually that there were serious moments like that and amongst all this nonsense that were going on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that were going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really, really good, but this show was that big. I don't remember this. He got his own primetime show. Do you remember this at all, richard and Judy, in the evening or at night?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Again. Apologies because I've not got the notes you have, but have we switched now to London or are they still at the?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, london or are they still in? No, no, no, they're still in Liverpool. They've not left yet. But yeah, they've not left yet. But obviously, because this morning was that big of a success, they got a prime time show and the first interview on that night time show was OJ Simpson, which went on to be the biggest regret of Richard's career. This is right, right after it being controversially found not guilty.
Speaker 2:I mean this, this is absolutely crazy, isn't it as well? Yeah, I don't think I necessarily knew, kind of why. I've heard Richard say before about how they got it wrong. And I think I just thought they'd asked the wrong questions or it had not kind of gone to plan, but the story there is that I mean presumably it was a 30-minute show or maybe it was an hour with entertainment, but they, they got OJ Simpson for this absolute worldwide.
Speaker 3:At that point, OJ Simpson, possibly the most talked about man on the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they'd got this absolute star interview and the producers had said to them well, yeah, you're doing him for one half, but then you're also doing Neil Diamond.
Speaker 3:It's just funny. I don't know why Neil Diamond made me laugh Like you got OJ, and then obviously finish off with Neil Diamond, the only. I think he only gave him 12 minutes to interview him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy and actually to be fair like because they say it's the biggest regret I thought they handled it fairly well. They've got him. There's that. And they were really calling him out. Weren't they saying, well, no, actually that's not what was said. You're kind of changing what was said there, and he looked uncomfortable and they weren't letting him off the hook.
Speaker 3:They've got him on both Richard's doing left right, Judy's in background and corner and go on and he's sweating and they cut to a break and then they come back.
Speaker 3:I love how Richard says it cut back and we went to interview a singer it's so annoying though, because obviously that ie rich rich says he thought ie v would say look, we need to carry on with this, you're getting somewhere within. But they didn't. They came back and said no, yeah, I mean, this isn't it. This is not even sweet. Caroline ruining sports events. Neil diamond this is the fucking, the guy who had not had a hit for ages. Neil Diamond.
Speaker 2:There's absolutely no reason. He did say it in here as well, richard. He slightly misremembers it in the way he tells it, because he says he said something along the lines of well, that's it for now, but we might be back with him after the break.
Speaker 3:And actually he didn't.
Speaker 2:He said something like coming after the break. At some point we will definitely be hearing from Neil Diamond he thinks they're going to carry on. He thought they might give him a little bit longer with OJ. And yeah, to my knowledge he slunk away after that, didn't he? I don't remember doing anything else?
Speaker 3:I don't remember Graham Norton going oh look at this bitch. I don't remember like anyone else interviewing him, but the paper slaughtered him. You get a Telegraph headline which says Punch and Judy Show. It's quite a good headline really.
Speaker 2:I don't get that though, because I remember at the time I probably hadn't watched it. If I'm honest thinking, they must have given him a really easy ride, like bit of an issue but actually from what we saw, they absolutely didn't do that and to me it's a massive error for the producers.
Speaker 3:Like Rich says, there the audience was silent. You could hear a pin drop because you know this is he's been accused of murdering somebody. You know this is a massive thing and they feel like they're getting somewhere and the audience are on centre oaks. You're watching that and you're going bloody hell. I think he's guilty, like next, sweet Caroline. It must have been absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2:What a controversial incident in the Premier League. To be fair, as I'm thinking it, I'm disagreeing with myself, but I don't think people would be furious with Lineker and Shearer, would they? They'd be angry with the BBC, but then, as I'm saying that, I'm thinking no, they would be saying it. No, they would be.
Speaker 3:They'd probably blame Lineker bottling it. They'd probably fucking when were he when it was all kicking off. So after this, anyway, they move from Liverpool to London. I've been to the old studios in Liverpool. Have you ever seen it? The old this Morning Studios.
Speaker 2:Albert Dock. Someone told me the news from Scousers and you can't say Albert Dock. You have to sort of make sure you separate it into. This is at the Albert.
Speaker 3:Dock.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 3:Albert Dock, some great sites in Liverpool. We've got Liverpool's Cavern Club, anfield, this Morning Studios and obviously L1 Phone Clinic. This is a broadcast message for the warning for L1 Phone Clinics.
Speaker 1:He's a scam, fucking bastard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that'll always be. You know, it's a city of culture. It's given us the Beatles, it's given some great football teams. But that is Liverpool's greatest moment, I think probably.
Speaker 3:Yeah, someone being called a fat, smelly cunt in a phone shop that is such a good clip.
Speaker 2:That's one of the best clips ever. But anyway, yeah, I went to. I had to go to passport office at Liverpool and that kind of. I don't quite know where Richard and Judy's bit is, but I walked down on the waterfront and it is really nice down there yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3:One of the best cities at Liverpool. To be fair, we get a bit of their kids now Richard and Judith, chloe and Jack, who talk about how excited they were when the Spice Girls came on this morning. To be honest, that's quite a funny scene where you know she's obsessed with them and Jack quite fancies them and stuff.
Speaker 2:But the next bit, what really struck me was when diana died, the queen of hearts. Sorry, just before we move on to that's a full week. They took over with that. But yeah, the bit that I've completely forgotten and it kind of makes sense to me. But they moved to to south bank on london so obviously had the river behind them. I don't think I ever really registered that they moved like it looks exactly the same.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have the kind of buildings behind does it. It is water and I do remember kind of watching clips of people rowing past the boats going up and down, but I don't think I ever registered the magnitude of that, that they'd moved to a completely different studio, I think. Yeah, it passed me by that.
Speaker 3:We'd have been about 14, 15 now, so I suppose our sick days might have been a little bit more. Oh, I've got an headache, mum, I can't go in. So we might have actually gone upstairs to lob the old computer on PlayStation that is not powered, because I couldn't get internet OJ interview.
Speaker 2:Have you got a bead of sweat on your top lip?
Speaker 3:I didn't know how I was going to end that I dial up we'll cut to Neil Diamond sweet Caroline. No, but this is when Diana died. Obviously, diana's death is probably more famous for having a negative impact on the sales of B&R by Oasis, but now, genuinely, people in britain lost the fucking shit when diana died. We spoke about it in a in another episode, but we get loads of clips phoning where people are phoning richard and judo sobbing about proper sobbing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't realize. Yeah, the scale of it was lost on me. I mean, I remember my next one was devastated. I kind of aware it was a big thing but wasn't really bothered. But yeah, they'd come back after their summer break. So several weeks away and basically last minute this happened on a Sunday they decided to completely reschedule the Monday's viewing. They came on with just a clip of Diana with no music. They had no ad breaks on that first day, yeah, yeah. And then they turned it into like almost a tribute week, didn't they? And the kind of mood mirrored the nation where they it kind of turned fairly hostile towards the royal family, who weren't expressing any hostile towards the royal family.
Speaker 3:The Queen never came out and made a statement and everyone turned against the Queen. I think it was one of the lowest moments in popularity.
Speaker 2:They kind of captured that mood of the nation, didn't they? Because they did a poll, which surprised me a little bit, because I think they said wow, we've had 65,000 callers. Remind me how many voters we got for our sitcom World Cup.
Speaker 3:I think we were nearly 40.
Speaker 2:That shut me down. I thought it was about 100,000. I thought we were going to blow it away. Was it less than that?
Speaker 3:I think it was less than that. Of course, it went under 1,000. Under 1,000. Do you know how much that is? I'm going to get under 1,000 votes.
Speaker 2:I was going to say we captured the mood of the nation. We probably didn't.
Speaker 3:We've got 412 followers. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah, move on, keep moving.
Speaker 3:Anyway, but after this anyway. So that was like you know, again, that was there to show the human touch of Richard and Judy, where people thought of them and sort of consoled with them, if you know what I mean. But then we get a really famous segment. But then we get a really famous segment, which is when they live on air test out what was then a new drug called Viagra. For people who don't know, viagra is a drug that you give to men who are struggling to get a Johnson on, as I call it.
Speaker 2:Well, you used to sell this, didn't you?
Speaker 3:Viagra, no, no, no, someone where I worked with you used to sell it at Leadmill. Don't.
Speaker 1:No way.
Speaker 3:No one's going to arrest you for this now.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't. I wish I could have made money out of it, no way.
Speaker 3:Weren't you selling Viagra? Loads of people were at Leadmill with our names.
Speaker 2:No, no, this was later in the day when I could get hold of that. Some guy at site was selling it. But then I used to think then like, imagine if I don't know, if this is like a confession, I don't think I made much money out of it, whatever he was selling it at. But then I used to think, imagine if somebody died taking it. How would they die.
Speaker 3:Has anyone ever died? Well, maybe they take too much of it.
Speaker 2:Never even. But yeah, there was a period of time when I could get it off a guy at site. But I don't know, maybe I still could. I don't know, I'm not on site now, I should give you that to Richard now with you?
Speaker 3:I mean, that's not true though, is it, liam? I said down down.
Speaker 2:I remember once, actually on site in Manchester, the crane driver come and he said he could get it, weren't Viagra, like a fruit version of it. And he said, oh, does anyone want to buy it? So like some of us said, oh, yeah, well, whatever they were. Like we said, oh, we'll take five each for a tenner or whatever. So there's three or four of us, one one guy kid there, he were riding home on his bike but he just took two straight away. He said I'll just take two now and see what they do, why, I don't know. Then just rode home on his bike to have tea with his family. I was never seen again.
Speaker 3:I bet Rich loved this segment. By the way you could tell he's loving it like, because obviously these, like I think it's five guys or whatever. And then the old technician drugging. I think he works for them all, doesn't he? They were absolutely savage by critics, this second.
Speaker 2:Him with a moustache. Yeah, he looks so pleased with himself, doesn't he, after his experience and his wife's, like saying, oh yeah, I don't even know whether to go back to work or what. I don't know what's going on, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, just harmless fun, innit. You know what I mean? It's just harmless fun. Didn't they have walkie-talkies to contact him directly after the sexual encounter? He says to me Richie, we're quite scared.
Speaker 3:What if someone dies? You know what I mean. What happens then? Because obviously we're very unbelievably new? Then Viagra.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, but but I don't know, they kind of became famous for those sort of like fairly shocking but fairly honest sort of they weren't afraid to I don't know. Like I suppose in a way it's quite brave, because there probably were loads of people at home thinking, oh, I wonder if that could help me, and they didn't hide away from it. No, certainly I don't have any issues now, but I certainly wouldn't have been having any problems then. I definitely don't have any issues now, but I certainly wouldn't have been having any problems.
Speaker 3:then I definitely don't have it Again. I might start questioning Sweet.
Speaker 1:Caroline.
Speaker 3:Sweet Caroline. But soon after that we get a really, really famous clip, Probably the most famous Richard Maynardly clip, where he dresses up as Allergy. I watched this clip in full after I'm going to play the ending here. I don't know if Richard will be happy about us playing this ending, but I get it. I don't think you can get away with this now.
Speaker 2:Finally.
Speaker 1:I thought it seemed that there was no sign of Richard. Is it okay if I, ali, does the show with you today? What? Looking like that? I'm afraid not. Is it because I was black?
Speaker 2:I don't think this is shocking, as people made out it's not shocking.
Speaker 3:It's a genuinely good impression. By the way, I'm not just it's good, he's quite proud of how it's written.
Speaker 2:He looks the part he looks brilliant. He's gone for it. The only bit I don't get is the context. Why did he do this?
Speaker 3:Because he says here that he used to make his kids laugh at home by doing allergy impressions. I love the idea of him walking around his home going aye.
Speaker 2:There's no way Ali G called him out or said something. He just decided to open the show like this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, open the show like that. I think he nails it. There's a great bit where someone said oh, later on we've got one of the chefs cooking cake Cake for real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was good. I just I've not seen it for a long, long time and it wasn't as sort of like cringy as I thought. I thought he does it all right. I just don't know why he's doing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, this leads on to the 2000 TV Awards, where this Morning won Best Daytime Programme and Rich and Jude went on to collect the award. And Jude. Jude went on to collect the award and Jude's dress come undone, exposing a bra, this one, massive in the papers, weren't it? Front page news this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, never quite got the scale of it. The most embarrassing part of this is Richard thinking that they want him to do the Ali Jean person.
Speaker 3:Because she's got like if anyone's not seen it a top comes undone. Basically, she's got like a white bra underneath a white top.
Speaker 2:if anyone's not seen it, a top comes undone. Basically, she's got like a white bra underneath a white top. So it's kind of really obvious she's had a malfunction. It's not like, oh, it's just a risque dress and everyone's like oh, that's weird, I'm not doing it. No come on, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3:This would only be made better if that had happened and Richard Jones had gone. I Imagine how good that would have been. I is here with me, judy I am here with me Jude, and then John Leslie runs on stage to cover Jude up and Richard says it's the first time John Leslie has ever helped a woman back into a dress, which is a bit risky considering the claims against him from Eureka Johnson, but yeah, yeah. I think you were all right with that, weren't you?
Speaker 2:You didn't condone the allegations against John Leslie. I think you were all right with anything.
Speaker 3:Were you ever convicted of anything? I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2:We don't condone him in any way, do we yeah?
Speaker 3:I don't know much about John Leslie. He's not seen on TV anymore, do you, to be fair?
Speaker 2:Apparently he works in property development now. But on that occasion he was the white knight who stepped up and saved their honour.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he absolutely did. But this is where it all started getting a little bit sour with REV. Rev got a new exec, which is. I think this is strange. I'd like to hear the full story about this. An exec started making changes to the show. One of them were that Richard and Judy couldn't be involved in the phone-ins, which I don't know why they do that, because that's probably the biggest strength of the show that people felt they could talk to Richard and Judy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't quite get the context behind this either. Were they suggesting that they were too powerful, that they had too much sway in the way things were done and they wanted to rein them in a bit?
Speaker 3:I don't know. It seems weird to take away like one of the key factors that's given so much success. Well, I think rich says in this that someone says something about oh yeah, richard and judy and the new exec. No, it's called this morning. It's not called richard and judy. So he obviously thought I'm gonna fucking make a name for myself and he ended up helping descend into the fucking cesspit that it is today. Thanks for that, phil. But this is. This is where they moved from itv. They went to channel 4 to do richard and judy. This is where I started my mainly list, this entire podcast. And everything started when they moved to channel 4, because by this point I was working, I used to come home, have my tea and, and it'd just be gold every night. It'd be absolute gold with what he was talking about. And they don't actually give you that many clips of this, but one of the biggest ones and it's unbelievable. They got these. They got Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton separately, not long after the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and if as you kind of watch it. They get Hillary Clinton who actually gives a really good honest.
Speaker 3:Yes, the best I've ever seen. Yes comes across really good in it. She just seems really human.
Speaker 2:And then apparently she said to them my husband Bill's got a book coming out and I'm going to make sure this is the first interview he does and apparently it was.
Speaker 1:So she genuinely must have enjoyed it. Yes, Bill.
Speaker 3:Clinton, bill Clinton. Imagine now Imagine Trump going on this morning. Amazing, wasn't it? You're a dirty man, phil. I don't like you, nobody likes you. You're a weak man.
Speaker 3:Small man, small beautiful man Small man, small man, beautiful man, great man, dermot. I like Dermot, he's a great guy, beautiful guy, irish guy. But there's a great bit of this where he talks to Bill Clinton and he says Bill Clinton says we both know people me and Hillary both knew people who had affairs and he just jumps in Rich and goes, yep, so do we, so do we? Yep, we do, yep, so do we. But yeah, there's a bit here you mentioned to me earlier actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's where they're talking about. Bill. Probably not true. But say and he probably not true. But say and you slept on the couch. And people say, well, it can't be true, there must be loads of spare bedrooms in the White House. And he says, well, there's two reasons. I wanted to sleep on the couch. Then it basically says like yeah, it was kind of a gesture to say I almost don't deserve to be back in the bedroom. And the thing which he says and do you remember at what point was it that she said OK, come on, you're back in the bedroom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no I don't remember that. I don't remember when it was. It sounds like Bruce Springsteen they were. We were born around.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but they were again. It wasn't this sort of.
Speaker 2:This is where, again, though, I think for us like kind of perfect timing almost. I don't think we were necessarily target audience, but it went from being something you were quite familiar with, you had a bit of affection with that. You watched when you were off school, when you were ill, to then getting in from college or getting in from sort of whatever sort of work you were doing, and this being on Roundabout Tea Time and just such an easy watch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is where I got into Madeleine big time. Obviously I knew of him before, but this is what I thought. This guy's one of the funniest people on the planet by a mile, probably unintentionally, but just still. Unbelievable entertainment, but that's great guests on it. I remember Ricky Gervais when he were on the Office obviously at this point where Massive, he was one of the I won't say a hero of mine or anything like that, but you know one of my favourite people on TV. You've even got people like John Lydon on and all sorts of different people and it was a good show. I used to love UCWP.
Speaker 2:Remember that? Yeah, although did they bring that from this morning? I don't know. Actually, my grandma used to watch that and I can't imagine that she was doing it. I think she used to want to phone in in the morning. Because I think she used to want to phone in in the morning. I think I told you before, but she and apologies if I told it on air, but her eyes were really bad and she didn't know the picture behind them was what you were supposed to say, so she thought you had to just phone up. She had a list of questions next to her phone in case she ever got on it. It was who's the manager of Manchester United, something like who painted the Mona Lisa lisa. She got like a list of about 10 questions. She was going to ask him to try and win money, but it's a shame she never got on, because it would have been brilliant, because the picture behind him would have been nothing about what she was asking when our mate jay used to go on quiz shows.
Speaker 3:He used to go on televised quiz shows. Some people will listen to this. I'll know him. Um, I can probably dig him out for you. They don't like to talk about him he went on sell me the answer once he't he.
Speaker 3:He went on to sell me the answer. He went on National Lottery, didn't he? With Nick Knowles? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, I've been in the name for six years, but I once went to his house before one of his quiz show because you have to I think you have to audition to get onto a quiz show first, like just to be a complete maniac. I went to his house. They had nothing on his table under them like a massive book of kings and queens of england.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's one of my weaknesses are in a quiz, I would always fall down on, uh, monarchs and their reigns and like tutors and the stewards. Yeah, I don't know what era things change or who was in what era. Yeah, it's just, it's not one of my science and nature, please. So, yeah, yeah, well, when we go on, when we get famous, we'll go on pointless and you don't you?
Speaker 3:or who was in what era? Yeah, it's not one of my Science and nature, please. Yeah, well, when we go on, when we get famous, we'll go on pointless. And you don't pick your categories on pointless, do you? You do get a choice.
Speaker 2:at the end, it'll be like obscure stuff, won't it?
Speaker 3:Well, you're a mastermind.
Speaker 2:Have I got to do it now or do I get time to research? You get, have I?
Speaker 3:got to do it now, or do I get time to research? Do you get time to research? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to, like you know, but it can't be science and nature. It's got to be something more niche, obviously, animal facts. Is that too vague? I think that's too vague. I think you've got to go a bit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah at one stage I would have done if they'd have let me. I'm on a partridge series one. I think I knew it inside out, but uh, I might do Maidley. It's too much to go out there, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, too long of a career 35 years of Maidley.
Speaker 2:There could be anything in there.
Speaker 3:You want someone who's had a really short career, who's had a really short career.
Speaker 1:Uh.
Speaker 2:What's his name? Off um Curtis Stigers. No, it's not what I'm trying to think of. I don't know, I can't, I can't picture he does like he does antique shows. He's like a greasy looking man, I don't know. Anyway, I don't know. I don't even know his name. Imagine me doing him On Mastermind. I don't even know what he's called.
Speaker 3:What's his name? Can I? Next Question one Imagine me doing him on Mastermind. I don't know what he's called. What's his name? Connor? Next Question one Richard Blackwood. What do you do with him? Anyway, fucking move on forever. So the biggest thing from this the Richard and Judy show on Channel 4, was the Richard and Judy book club, which are a massive success.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, we've thought about I don't know because we used the sort of Living With Maidly name, if we did the Living With Maidly book club, if we are in danger of some major copyright issues there, I don't know, but We've thought about doing it for obscure books, though, haven't we?
Speaker 1:We'd love to do it for Les Dennis.
Speaker 2:yeah, Anything like that Nick Hancock, the Glory Years and whatever obscure old books. I suppose we might do it from one day, but yeah, we haven't yet.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that were a massive success. But Judy actually left. It was Judy's decision to leave. Richard and Judy the show, not the couple. Own decisions yeah, own decisions because she said she wanted her life back and it just wasn't as fun as this morning and, as we said at the start, she took a massive backseat after this. You don't really see her at all on tv anymore. Richard what?
Speaker 2:I didn't know. Is there, by the way, off the back of the book club is she went off to write a book, yeah and wrote uh yeah, but I knew of his because he's much more kind of outspoken about everything he ever does, isn't he? But I didn't know she'd had a number one bestseller. I'm completely oblivious to that fact, so apologies to judy um, we should.
Speaker 3:I can't be bothered to find the clip, but there's a clip going around. He put richard judy, but richard mainly booking on twitter. You'll find it, um, you know, when he's talking about his new book and he gives away the entire plot yeah, yeah, basically, but I can't remember what it is, but yeah, it gives away all of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's about this guy and it turns out it's a murderer.
Speaker 3:It's not right, cheers. I know you're reading that, but Richard powers through. He went on to this is a really sad bit there. This is a fantastic bit of a first bit. He goes on to Radio 4, where he's mainly covering for Terry Wogan while they were away him for wogan and wogan's having longer off than richard expected and he says, uh, when you're coming back, tell then, because no, seriously, when you're coming back, yeah there's a bit where he sort of has a dig at him, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's just something like come on, tell you got to get yourself back. And he says something like I think you're going to be guiding the ship for a while, or something you may have to steer the misguided ship for a little longer, or something like that, like, like in his kind of quite poetic style, and then, yeah, he died not long after.
Speaker 3:So and then he died. And this is the only time in the entire thing where Rich actually tears come out and you can tell Julie's really proud of him because he has to do the show. I think it's only a couple of days after Logan died. He does his show.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's that. I think he got the news. Yeah, if it's that, I mean, and he went into and they sort of said to him you know, are you okay doing it? Do we need to sort of get somebody else in? He said, no, I want to do it. And he, yeah, I mean he said like, and he's, he's strange, isn't he? Because for such a kind of arrogant man he can be quite he's not always wanting all the glory for all of himself is.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's arrogant. I think he's. I don't know. I think he, he's confident isn't he? Confident yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's not kind of wanting all the praise for himself and he sort of says, like which, I'm sure he didn't. He says I actually had a fairly easy show because the viewers, the listeners kind of carried me through it and we had some great input from everyone. And yeah, you could tell he's, him and Judy are both very proud of kind of the way he got through that, Because he was I mean, Terry Wogan was an absolute legend.
Speaker 3:You loved Terry. I mean before he died. You used to absolutely love him. You used to love him on Eurovision. Do you prefer him to Norton on Eurovision?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, by a mile. I thought he was great. I love his kind of. I thought his sense of humour was fantastic, like in an era with lots of sort of shady, strange people. He seemed very, very genuine and likeable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good lad, and then it basically ends with him on as he's doing now GMB. We see him being a bit more hardline. Obviously, I can't remember the politician's name some fucking Tory idiot Williams, is it?
Speaker 2:Or Williamson? Yeah?
Speaker 3:Williamson, that's Gavin Williamson. He refuses to answer his questions questions so he cuts him off and he's still dividing opinion every single day. He's on Good Morning Britain. He will be trending and I'd say 90% of people on Twitter say what the hell is this dickhead doing? But the 10% who get him will be having a whale of a time watching him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not liked. He's not universally liked, is he, but liked has he, but I think he's, you have to respect him. I think he's had a fantastic career. He's kept relevant for 35 years.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's anything Not the best thing to say about him, but I think what I can say about Richard Maidler compared to other people. I think if you met Richard Maidler, he would be Richard Maidler. I think if you met certain other people out there you'd think I wonder what he's like behind scenes. I think I'd really do. Maybe this is what. Maybe he's better than I think as being a presenter and that's the thing he gives off, but I think he's the most genuine presenter.
Speaker 2:I think within that that doesn't mean he'd be the most no, no he's having a bad day, he'd say I don't think so, mate. I've not got time for you right now. Uh, maybe you're pissed off over there. I might have time for you another day, yeah, but I think you're right.
Speaker 1:I think he's just him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly, I think. I think you're right. He's a very, very genuine man and that's I don't know, not, that's not a kind of faultless or flawless person by any means, is it it? But yeah, I think he's very genuine and, yeah, we, as I said, we, we may at some stage go back and revisit the first episode, because we are conscious that's a lot of people's gateway to this and not they're a particularly well-oiled machine now, but I think we were. We were finding our feet by then, weren't we?
Speaker 3:so, yeah, yeah, but a lot of people asked us to do this, really enjoyed doing it or a long one, uh to watch it, but absolutely know he's the main man and this is where the season starts and next week, because we're having a normal series after the World Cup thing we've already done. We're sort of following the season one trajectory where we did adverts as our second ever episode. But this is going to be a bit different. We've already done our favourite adverts. What we're going to do now is our favourite advert, jingles, which I think is a totally different ballgame.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a similar ballgame, but yeah, it's not the same ballgame, is it?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, but I mean, unfortunately you might have had Red Car and the Blue Car because you had that as your favourite advert, but we can't have that again. No, no duplicates allowed. And we can't have, unfortunately, toys R Us, because we mentioned that in the last series, but everything else is on the ground.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've talked about that before at length. So, yeah again, as you just said, just to repeat you there, completely, this is going to be a much more normal. Forget the World Cup, we enjoyed that. But this is much more, jumping around from one theme to another, week to week. We may not do a midweek after the first one because there might not be much feedback, but the plan is to come back with a weekly episode and a midweek in between them to discuss any feedback. Yeah, I thought that was. Uh, I mean, one thing I'd say there, but I don't know about you just before we leave, is I? I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:I was glad I watched it yeah, it didn't feel like a chore did it. I thought it was quite nice.
Speaker 3:It felt very much like a tribute, like they died, almost like yeah, I think like we've got a lot of messages saying have you seen what's on channel five? You've seen what's on channel five and I started watching it about half an hour late, um into it. So I went back and watched it and I have to think when I thinking like I bet it's a bit rubbish. Actually, this I genuinely, genuinely enjoyed it. I wouldn't advise everyone to go and watch it because it's a long time. You can watch Mission Impossible in that time two hours. But I really enjoyed it, really, really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, agreed, and thank you for sticking with us. If you've got through this far, and join us again for the next episode. We will see you all soon. Bye, if anyone wants to get in touch with us, send us anything. Find us on twitter at living.