Living With Madeley
"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
Living With Madeley
Series 8 Episode 5 - The Strangest Village in Britain
What happens when a community is bound by both unity and unique challenges? Join us as we explore the fascinating world of Botten, a village near Whitby where half of the 300 residents have learning difficulties, showcased in the 2005 Channel 4 documentary, "The Strangest Village in Britain." We'll dissect the documentary's controversial portrayal of this unusual community, highlighting the polarized reviews it received and our own mixed feelings about its balance of humour and frustration.
Meet the unforgettable characters of Botten, from Anthony's severe OCD-like outbursts to Barry's philosophical musings and comical limp. We explore these personal stories, revealing the absurdity and depth of village life, often leaving us with more questions than answers.
Dive deep into the village dynamics, from Barry's journey towards independence to the power struggles between Nan and Pamela. We'll critique the documentary's style and discuss its shortcomings in capturing the true essence of the residents' lives. Finally, we invite you to engage with us through your questions and comments, and hint at future intriguing topics, keeping the conversation light and engaging.
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Speaker 1:Maidly Maidly Living with Maidly. Hello and welcome to episode 5 of the TV Nostalgia Podcast, living With Madeley. My name's Andrew and I'm joined by Liam. How's things, sir? Hello, good afternoon. Yeah, oops, I've got the wrong thing in Great start. I'm looking at my TFI now. This is the strangest village in Britain. That's what it's called, I believe.
Speaker 3:It's not Greenhill. It's a place called Botten, near Whitby actually, which ties into the story later on. I never heard of it. I do remember watching this a while ago, by the way, we should probably say as well. So Berlin Blade suggested this initially, and we did get a more recent suggestion of it as well, but we couldn't remember who suggested it, either Berlin Blade or whoever it was recently. So we made up whoever we said suggested it so whoever the other, guy is we still don't know, but or girl can't remember but Berlin Blade.
Speaker 1:Thank you for the recommendation, yeah so this is channel 4 2005 and it follows people in the the bottom uh village, which is home to 300 people and half of them have learning difficulties yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a tough one to do. It is what it is. We're reviewing the documentary, as we say. We're not not, we don't know any of these people. We've never met any of these people. It's a while ago. I don't know if these people are still alive. I have tried to do some sort of digging on what. Where are they now? But there's not much out there, unfortunately. Um, yeah, I mean we'll go through the documentary and then afterwards we'll talk about kind of the village and what happened after this and stuff like that. But, yeah, well, I mean, you'd never seen this before, had you? So what? No, was it what you were expecting, or was it not? How can I word it? Because it's not. Obviously it's not a comedy. These are real people, aren't they? It's part of the.
Speaker 3:Only Human series that Channel 4 did yeah do you remember any of that?
Speaker 1:yeah, so, was that not? I don't. What was that one? Johnny Johnny Kennedy? Were it when the boy whose skin fell off?
Speaker 3:The boy whose skin fell off.
Speaker 1:That sounds a lot like Channel 5, that, to be honest.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so they were actually. I thought this was a one-off, but actually there were three series, several episodes. The first series Make Me Normal students at a spa school for autistic children, bollocks to Cancer, a 19 a 19 year old with ticular cancer who's going to become a father and part. Well, episode three, series one, 2005, is this one which is the strangest village in britain?
Speaker 1:we've got loads of these around this time like I don't know if they don't. They don't do them anymore because obviously you've got to be really careful, um, about what it is, because there are some undoubtedly funny bits in this, but, as you said, they are real people, should we?
Speaker 3:do you kind of want to sort of summarize what we think of it now before we go into it, or do we save that for the end?
Speaker 1:because, I've read several reviews and there's there's very sort of polarized takes on on this show yeah, some people say I've read some reviews as well. Some people say they didn't go in enough about the disabilities, don't they? And how these people managed to live their lives and are they happy there, but we don't get any of that. This is literally. It does feel a little bit like someone's people have turned up with some cameras and just filmed it with no real idea of how it's going to end or how it's going to go yeah, I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've seen people, so I think, on IMDB, I think it has eight point something out of ten. And then I'm not sure if it's community care a website's reviewed it as one out of five and says effectively it's like a modern day equivalent of a freak show. Let's come and laugh at these people, and I can see both sides to the argument. I kind of choose to see this as a. I enjoyed it and I think it's actually it's quite a warm sort of look at these people that you know potentially would just be ostracized by society. But actually they've kind of got this little community where they all, they all fit in together and and, yeah, it's given them a kind of a taste of life that they might not have had if they'd just been put in a care home somewhere. Yeah, yeah, I don't quite know where I stand on it, but I enjoy it. I think this is great.
Speaker 3:I think yeah yeah yeah, some moments in it are genuinely really funny. There's some moments in it that are a little bit frustrating. Actually, I find myself getting really annoyed with a couple of characters in there that we've come to. But yeah, I think it's worth a watch, I think if you've not seen it yeah definitely go and have a watch.
Speaker 3:It's on YouTube. I'll tell you something else at the end, but we've watched this. It's 48 minutes long. It is by Rosa Manon. It's been removed from the Channel 4 website, on the Channel 4 On Demand, so you can't watch it on there, so we've had to watch it. It's broadcast in Germany. I believe it looks like German subtitles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's German subtitles. Yeah, underneath. So, like I say, I don't know how it's gone down. I mean, I looked at some reviews in the Guardian when it first came out and they were pretty good, but things have changed. I don't know. If people sort of don't want to, you know, I don't maybe they want to go a bit deeper into these sort of things. If netflix were covering this, for instance, you could probably get a six part yeah, definitely, I would like that actually, because I mean, we'll start.
Speaker 3:so, first of all, we're introduced to the several main characters. The first one I would say is Katie, and we're told that she has a one mile walk to work every day. So they live in this village of Botan, that the housing is near to these, there's workshops, there's a cafe.
Speaker 1:Well, there's several farms, yeah there's 30 homes and workshops where. That's where all the work's carried out.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, katie, who's the first first person we meet, who's been walked. And, by the way, what I'm not going to do is say what disabilities these people have, because the show never tells us and no, it's not for us to speculate. I mean, you know people. It says they have learning difficulties, some have down syndrome, but it never tells us kind of what, what issues people have. So I, I don't, I don't know what they have. All I know is that katie has an incredibly high pitched voice. Uh, people, you say you had a high voice, didn't they rush used?
Speaker 1:to say well, ross rush used to say, but this woman has got oh, by a mile. It's like. It's like when you take a mile all right, you know, like what you said to me, do a girl's voice. And I went, went, hello, I'm a girl, that's what it sounds like. It's comically high in it, yeah, and it never drops, does it?
Speaker 3:It's just always up in that highest part you can do. But you know cards on the table. Now Some of this is funny. We're trying to laugh with them, kind of with affection. People might say you're not, not, you're taking a piss. I actually didn't like her at first, katie, no, I was saying my coach was really annoying.
Speaker 1:She reminded me like, uh, I don't know, like, oh, what's gonna?
Speaker 2:go up her now.
Speaker 1:Oh no, like proper, like sort of so she's terrified of slipping.
Speaker 3:You know, now, now again, not gonna speculate on what that is or what that's a sign, but obviously she, you know, you know, this is not just a normal person. How can I word it? This is a genuine kind of fear for her, isn't it? Even though they're just walking on a flat path.
Speaker 3:She is scared she's going to slip. She's talking about. There used to be some frost on here. So, john, very calm, john is walking out. Both got the high vis vests on, and yeah. So, john, very calm, john is walking out. Yeah, both got the high vis vests on, and yeah, there's a couple of bits here that I just love this kind of world that they're in, where she's so scared of slipping off this path that they don't move when somebody's coming towards them. So we see a character come past them in the other direction, but they don't step around either. So they just bump into each other, don't they?
Speaker 1:It's brilliant because it's the widest gap imaginable on a street.
Speaker 1:I mean the path itself is narrow, but the actual walkway is probably a couple of metres wide, but as someone with dyspraxia which I don't like to speak about I get this. You've seen me do certain things like this before, but as I was watching it I was sort of thinking it looks ridiculous because there's so much space to get past. But I've been in those situations before where I've, like knocked people out way or, you know, like put drink in my arms or all over the place, everything I've got no space to space.
Speaker 3:Do you have no?
Speaker 1:spatial awareness whatsoever, um and the and this, but I thought they were a little bit similar in that they, they would go, they might sort of squeeze past each other. There's so much space like they could go in, like just not to get to that situation. Yeah, I mean in this incident.
Speaker 3:Like I say, I found her like and you know, obviously I can't keep saying it because, because it is what it is like with it I found her quite irritating in this. I appreciate she's not doing it to be annoying, but I found no, there's another.
Speaker 1:There's another couple of people on here. I found really irritating, I have to admit, but she's the third on the list, to be honest there's one, certainly, and there's a bit, by the way.
Speaker 3:Um, it's right at the start. I'm going to save it for later, because the contrast, I thought that's never the same person, but it is so anyway, we. We get there. Now she tells john, he he must come back for at five. He's got to be back for at five, john. Yep, yep, I'll be back at five, no problem. But again, very, very calm. Yeah, she's absolutely insisting he must be back at five. And then this is the first time actually when we see inside the, the workshop. So there's a couple of characters here. So Peter and Christopher, we don't actually know much about.
Speaker 1:No, they don't go into these two yeah, a bit disappointing with this, but you never really hear much about these.
Speaker 3:They sort of stood hugging sort of forehead to forehead, and then we meet. To me the bad guy of the piece, pamela, looks like.
Speaker 1:Neil Warnock she does.
Speaker 3:She moves in a similar way as well.
Speaker 1:Actually, there's a bit of that right at the start where she's like sweeping really excited.
Speaker 3:I can imagine him going oh, that's the bit I'm going to say for later, because, oh sorry, she becomes the villain of the piece. To me she's the. I don't think she she sees it that way and and I, you know, I'm sure she kind of has her own version of events. But the way this is portrayed, to me she is the bad guy. But yeah, the first thing we saw. I might as well play it now, actually, now you've mentioned it, but this is the very start of the whole show and this is how happy she is to be doing some sweeping.
Speaker 5:Botton is home to 300 people. Nearly half of them have learning difficulties including down syndrome, autism and mental illness.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love this, so that's the first genuine sort of glee, isn't it like I love that. It's like childlike sort of absolute joy in what she's doing I'll play devil's advocate.
Speaker 1:Obviously we'll come on more to pamela, where she is really annoying. You won't want to work. I've worked with people like this myself actually. Um, but you, I think because she, she takes the job so seriously, because it makes her feel you know like worth you know in the world, doesn't it?
Speaker 3:yeah?
Speaker 1:she just goes over the top with it and it says it. Actually, the voiceover does say uh, she's got a rival which won't laugh at me off in anthony. Yeah well, yeah, so she.
Speaker 3:She shoves um one of the two blokes. Can't remember the name, was it derrick and john she? Shoves one of them push him out of the way. But then I don't know if you know it's this bit. But so anthony, straight away, I love like how kind of he's always in the background, like his head pops up like hold on what's going on here. Anthony comes, comes steaming across, says leave him alone, he works in there and she says he keeps trying to have sex with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were just hugging, they were just talking. Yeah, I think she obviously. I don't know. These two are obviously really close. We don't know, like because we don't hear much more about them. Do we after? This but they're just having a hug. I didn't like look at it and think it was sexual whatsoever, but Pamela is convinced.
Speaker 3:Pamela saw something in there. It's the first time we've seen the clash of the titans, isn't it? So Anthony's not happy.
Speaker 1:Anthony's funny, though, because Anthony's quiet he doesn't really say much.
Speaker 3:He just sort of does what he does, doesn't he? That's it. I really like Anthony. There's two guys in this that I really like. We're going to meet the next one very shortly, but Anthony, I think he's quite sad. Actually we'll sort of see some of it later on, but he's he kind of snaps, but I think I can see where it's coming from, I think he's cornered and he, he's also going to be told that.
Speaker 3:He's going to be told on, and you can see how important it is to him that like, oh no, he's going to tell one of the other people on me. So first time we've met him and really nice guy, but now probably my favourite character in the whole thing, yeah, so we meet somebody who's been in this village. He's lived there for 25 years. So we meet somebody who's been in this village. He's lived there for 25 years and this is Barry and his voice. I mean, I don't know if he's still alive or not I couldn't find out but somebody should have given him like a voiceover work or an audible reading.
Speaker 1:It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3:Such a silky voice.
Speaker 1:Well, come on to some of the stuff he says later. But I don't want to be patronising to him, but he does. I think he could say anything and he sounds like he's like a philosopher he does yeah.
Speaker 3:He speaks really well, just the way, the turn of phrase that he has and how he responds. I mean we'll actually play a little clip of him when, when they first meet him here, cause it's, I think, his voice is worth listening to you see, mum missed hospital appointments.
Speaker 2:She just couldn't get there soon enough, so it had to be there and then stationed on the platform where the gooseberry hedge, planted there especially for me, the hatch out where the cat was found the largest one. And the story so rolls on, and I've been singing that same song ever since then, and I've made the journey from there over here, and so now here I stand, this is where I've landed yeah, that's, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:He's got a genuinely good way with words. But what made me laugh, as soon as I met him I knew we were in for a tree is he walks with like a limp. But he hasn't got a limp, he just does it to. He says he does it to differentiate himself from everyone else in the village. It says it's a new fashion.
Speaker 3:This is the way things will be done. Like yeah, he's on to a new way of walking.
Speaker 1:It looks really like uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:I really admire that in someone, though, to sort of think no, do you know what? Forget that everyone else is doing that. This is the fashion, this is the way things will be done. Yeah, he's like a punk, isn't he? Yeah, exactly. So he kicks his legs out just before he puts his feet down.
Speaker 1:It's a bizarre way of walking. Like I say, it looks difficult. It looks like someone went, like when they're having a I don't know someone's dived at football and they get up and they do like a little bit of a limb, but he does that constantly.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's had a knock to his ankle, yeah, yeah, I mean obviously again don't know what his issues are.
Speaker 1:He also says here by the way, the less they know about him, the safer he is, which is quite interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of really really feel for Barry. I think he seems such a. They all seem nice people when all's said and done, but yeah, yeah, he just seems a very genuine bloke who's the story of, kind of how he's ended up in this environment is just not clear at all. It's we're going to touch on him again later on, but yeah, he's really interesting character.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm just watching the videos. I'm just watching him walking again.
Speaker 3:He's like a cowboy, it's like it's unbelievable, it's like a little dance that he does yeah, but I love that's a conscious decision, that, yeah, nobody's going to tell me how to walk. Yeah, um, back to the workshop and this is so. There's another character we meet now, called nan, and she has not hung her coat up on her coat hook and anthony's absolutely furious and he can't you know, obviously can't control his emotions. He's rocking in his chair and he's absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, living that Nan's not hung her coat up in the right place.
Speaker 3:He tells her, if she doesn't do it, he's going to do it, and I think we see this again later on. But he just can't contain how furious he is. It's like severe OCD.
Speaker 1:We've all got this in us in a way where don't know you might, if we're at the same place or something. You put your shoes slightly to right, some people might move and trade, but this is like an extreme level of it yeah, and you can just see it built up in him.
Speaker 3:He's really struggling to control it. He ends up lashing out at Narnia. He kind of gives her I don't know if you'd say a punch, but a jab to the jaw, and she's stunned by it. This is something that I found really interesting about the whole concept. So there are these people with various different disabilities in the village and there are also the carers, who at this time were actually unpaid volunteers. Now where do you step in? It's obviously really out of order that he's given her a job. She looks sort of stunned by it, but you know he's not hurt her. I don't think there's any sort of malice behind it, so it's just pure frustration, isn't it?
Speaker 1:it's like like today, just before we were recording, absolutely fuming my internet's not working or something's not working on my computer, I'm not sure, and I like I sort of hit my computer but it's not, I'm not in it enough to break it. It's just like a frustrated ah, what are you doing?
Speaker 3:yeah, you and anthony me and anthony.
Speaker 1:I've got, honestly, all these people in this village I reckon, apart from, uh, pam, I reckon I could, yeah, I've a I don't know sort of a connection with them all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we're all on some level of something aren't we. So, yeah, I can imagine you giggling with a broom. So that's your connection.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll come on later why I don't associate with Pam whatsoever, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:so it kind of fizzles out this, it doesn't really become anything this is what's the problem with the documentary.
Speaker 1:But this is what I think people are right when they talk about the documentary and they say they didn't delve enough. They're all sort of little little storylines, if you like, that never go anywhere like this. You think, well, what we're all that about. Does that happen often? Is that?
Speaker 3:yeah, and how do they diffuse that?
Speaker 1:what happened?
Speaker 3:next yeah, exactly, yeah, and and it just, it just cuts. And this is again so many different interesting parts about this, but this is something that really blew my mind. So these people with with various different disabilities actually live in small groups, but with a volunteer family. So it's like a again. This time it was like a sort of Christian volunteer. So you get a family. I think in this instance they've got three or four kids and they live with again I can't remember if it's three or four of the people with disabilities, and I mean, in some ways, Well, it's, 13 people live at the farm and she's got four children.
Speaker 3:Valeska. She's got 4 children, valeska she's called. It's such an odd dynamic, though, isn't it because Valeska, as far as I know, doesn't have any.
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 3:I think they volunteer to help and you know what fair play to them. I admire that they want to help these people and they believe it's good for their family and their children. I struggle to see it, but maybe that's. Maybe that's kind of I don't have some kind of piece of of I don't know what even the word is altruism that they do, that they can give so much.
Speaker 1:But by the way, I paused this on this day with my notes. I paused the video um, so I watched this when I was away. He went to toilet. The next recommended video was the story of hulk hogan. Imagine him in the village.
Speaker 3:I can I tell you what yeah, just like constant liar yeah I'm a barry making things up because barry says at one base well, we'll come tonight.
Speaker 1:It's probably the best bit.
Speaker 3:I think yeah yeah, so, so yeah. They sat there and in some ways, it's amazing that they're doing this in other ways. I was so confused by it that this is just a family home with.
Speaker 3:It's not like they're caring for an uncle or an elderly relative or a sibling they've just got these people in the house that come and live there and, yeah, it seems to work we now introduce I think it's the only time we meet them in the show. Actually, I don't remember them being in it again. This is Derek and John, and these are not the same two guys that we mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's Derek and Rob. Derek and Rob, sorry.
Speaker 3:Derek and Rob. Sorry, I'm trying to click through it as we go. I didn't say my name I'm just as professional as we always are. So, yeah, we always are. So, yeah, yeah, they're kind of doing this little job together. I'm not entirely sure what they're doing. It's some something kind of in in the workshop or the folding paper for textbooks, was it, or something like that, something really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminds me of that guy I knew who used to be assistant fudge packer assistant to the fudge packer, exactly assistant to the fudge packer. Yeah, what's that from office, isn't it?
Speaker 3:no, I know the office assistant to the fudge packer, exactly Assistant to the fudge packer, yeah, but what's that from Office?
Speaker 1:isn't it? No, no, the office Assistant to the regional manager. But what's the fudge packer bit? That's a real story. Someone I knew I might have mentioned it on here before. Someone said that at the first ever job we're assistant fudge packer and I assistant yeah, it's just just like helping out, like putting, I don't know if he were a bit busy he'd do a bit. Can you put that sticker on? Yeah, yep, yeah, I can do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it was boring thing he's ever done so we'll play a little bit of these guys, what they do. In this bit we don't know anything about their background, we don't get any story as to where they've come from, where they're going, how long they've been here, which is why I think some people think this is exploitative, I suppose.
Speaker 4:But we just get this sort of clip of them speaking to each other in their own language and I think we should probably play a clip of it the doll's open, the doll's open, the doll's open, the doll's open, the doll's open, get in, run away, and then the doll's shut, and then the doll's shut, and then the doll's shut. Come to my wife and they Don't open the door. Don't open the door, please, please, please. They go round on the floors. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Do you know what this reminded me of? It reminded me of have you ever heard of June and Jennifer Gibbons? No. They're two. I think they're both dead now. They were two women sisters. I think they were twins dead now. There were two, uh, women sisters I think they're twins who, um spoke to each other in their own language, didn't speak to anybody else and once they got separated, didn't speak at all oh yeah, it's a really interesting story.
Speaker 1:Um and it was, I think a lot of it was just that sort of that were like a companionship thing that they had. I mean, I think one of them died and the other one started speaking. I think that's right. So there were nothing there. You know, in a they could speak normal language, but they spoke in their own language to each other.
Speaker 3:Well, this, to me, is not their own language. This is, I think they just probably repeat, because to me they're talking about.
Speaker 1:A train stops the doors open, somebody gets off and over the end there's just some like goodbye really high yeah, but yeah, he's going like it does, he opens, and then the other one goes and then like I don't think it's a language, I just think they're just probably just stuck in this pattern of saying the same story about the trains, that stops and I once talked to our mate I'll give his name away because it's a bit private, I suppose but his dad was in a home for dementia and he said he went in one day and there were like four of the people who had dementia just sat around a table just talking but all completely separate and all but all laughing with ah yeah, you see him over there. Yeah, what bit bottle. Ah, yeah, yeah, in with cup.
Speaker 1:Like you know, just different things, different different, like whole different conversations, but they were all together laughing like with each other about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know any more about them again, because this doesn't give us a huge amount of depth or detail. So that's pretty much all you're going to find out about. Yeah, again, this is where it should be.
Speaker 1:I'd like to have known more about these two, but I understand they've only got 45 minutes, or whatever it is, to play with on channel four. But I'd rather not see him, in a way, because it just makes you think well, what, what, what's going on like, what are they up to?
Speaker 3:yeah, and, like you said, you know, do they do this every day? Is this, is this a one-off that we captured? Like they never speak, speak to each other before I mean, yeah, I don't know what's going on here. Straight after this, we come back to Katie and John has not turned up at five as promised, so she just doesn't know how to deal with this she won't walk home without John because she's obviously frightened of slipping and she's going mad, isn't she?
Speaker 3:is it actually one of the sort of film crew ends up walking home Because she says you'll have to take me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know who that is. Again, it's not really explained, is it?
Speaker 3:No, but she gets back to the house where she lives, really confused, where John is, she thinks maybe he didn't make it because he might have slipped over. She's kind of saying to the, the woman of the family living there with the children you know what should I do? He might slip. She says we'll phone up I presume wherever it is they work to see if he's still there. She phones up and he's not there. So that stresses her out and then he turns up and we get a a really good bit here actually, cause, like I said, I wasn't too keen on on Katie initially, but when John comes back she's kind of initially furious that he didn't walk her back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then immediately, sort of like once he's all right, it's like I'm so sorry, john, I'm so sorry, is everything okay? I'm so Like immediately sort of worrying about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And a really sort of strange bit of dialogue here where I could work out.
Speaker 1:If he's trying to be I couldn't work, I'll let you explain it, but I couldn't really work this bit out so she's so worried that he's falling over and asks him if he slipped.
Speaker 3:And he ends up kind of confessing that he did slip. And then she says, oh no, was it down to one knee? And he says, yep, slipped to one knee. She's going, oh no. And she tells the, the mother of the house, oh he, he slipped. Oh no, and he's going, yeah, yeah, slipped. And then she walks away, katie, then kind of content in the knowledge that he slipped, and the mother says did you slip, john? No. Very matter of fact no.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he does know what's happened. Is he just trying?
Speaker 3:Is it the easiest? I don't know if he does know what's happened. Is he just trying? Is it the easiest, like we've said, is it that every day she asks him if he slipped, until he says he slipped, and then she leaves him?
Speaker 1:alone. It's like, yeah, all right, I fucking slipped.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whatever man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Or have we caught a really unique bit of sort of him trying to empathise with her and he thinks that she wants him to have slipped?
Speaker 1:so he says he slipped or did he sleep, and he's don't really know, he's forgot. I don't know, I really don't know, because, again, we don't go into it, because we don't know enough about john to to.
Speaker 3:To understand, he's a very minor character, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, anything else he's only in it because because of uh, sorry, what's the name?
Speaker 1:kate is uh obsession with people slipping over. That's the only reason he's in this at all. But I'd like to know if does he have this every day, because she's saying it to him all the time, so he just says yeah, whatever, like you said, or does he have some sort of issues himself where he can't remember where he's because why has he gone missing?
Speaker 3:yeah, don't know never find out why he's gone missing she, she hugs him and we move on from that bit. We we're back to Barry walking along. He's not quite doing his.
Speaker 1:No, it's a weird walk, this one. Yeah, he's changed again the fashion's changed, hasn't it?
Speaker 3:In this moment, he's not quite doing the same walk. More absolutely fantastic dialogue from him. This is incredible. This is my favourite scene. This I think we've got to play this because this made me laugh out loud. This, this is the moment in the whole thing I was washing up kind of half watching it and I burst out laughing.
Speaker 5:So let's play this no one really knows why barry was first taken into care as a young man. He has his own version of how he came to bottom I escaped from winston green prison and I landed here.
Speaker 2:Oh, what a story. Yeah, that's a good one. It's the best you would ever have heard many years. Now there's time and memorial. Up to the present day, you've never heard a story so good as this. This is the best one on record and it goes in the guinness book of record. It's in the right at the top of the list. There I am there. That's me how did you escape from winston green prison?
Speaker 1:don't know, it just happened I just love how, I just love right now, it just happened it's so, right, you? You it's like I don't know. Imagine, like doing that I'll tell you what lads, I've got a right story for you, right? You'll never believe what's happened today. Imagine this at work and you're like, oh god, honestly, weirdest thing, best thing you're ever gonna hear. Yeah, I can't believe that. You'll not. What happened, don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:actually I can't remember actually, and again more questions. Was he in jail? I don't know. Did he break out what happened?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I suspect no to both.
Speaker 1:But we have no, but why are you saying it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't know. Yeah, we come to something later on. That sort of says seemingly, if it's true, has had quite an interest in life. Don't quite know, yeah, how much of that we're supposed to believe, if any of it. I mean, I'm guessing that's just not true. But don't know, that might not be fair to Barry. And then straight after that, so again we're getting this really kind of intriguing. Oh, what's this about Barry then? What's his background? But instead of digging into any of the characters, we just get a new character now, owen, who is Out of the blue. Yeah, owen comes in.
Speaker 1:The most annoying character so far again, not his fault, but Owen's thing is he communicates only by asking questions. So it's like a shit louis through, it's just like. So it just talks to people going. So, uh, what if you woke up in the morning and the grass was red? Would you be surprised? How surprised would you be shocked? Would you give your heart like just constantly, like fucking hell, mate, do you like?
Speaker 3:do you like tornadoes um? Do you like volcanoes? Yeah, it's just just question after question. I mean actually.
Speaker 1:There's a good bit there, by the way. He says to somebody and I don't know if this guy's like a you know air quotes, a normal village worker or if he's got but he said have you ever had long hair? And he said, yeah, yeah, I did. At one point he goes have you ever had a boss? A quiff, you've read curly hair. But he says like really deep things as well, like is happiness a warm feeling or a cool feeling? And then the next question is what you think of tony blair? Just constantly, like.
Speaker 3:Moving on to the next thing yeah, but it's not, as I remember watching this before and I've obviously heard carl pilksker talk about it as well and he said it really frustrated him because he couldn't think of the answers quick enough.
Speaker 2:When he said do you like mosaics.
Speaker 3:Carl Pilker was thinking well do. I like mosaics.
Speaker 1:Have you ever had long hair. Yeah, and it's like like I say, but then some of the things are like almost Vic and Bob, you'll say would you be surprised if you saw a yellow elephant? Uh, yeah, I mean how surprised. Though why are you bombarding me with these questions, man?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's just his way of communicating, isn't it? He feels comfortable if he's kind of the one in charge, I suppose that and he films the villagers don't they?
Speaker 1:one of his things is he films the villagers. So I think he does see himself as like a louis theroux type.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they've given him a camera to walk around and film people with, and I mean with limited success, as we'll see in one particular moment. Yeah, yeah. So I don't want to just keep repeating what we're saying, but I have to say he's another really intriguing character that we know nothing about other than these little snapshots of what he's doing. I've no idea where owen went to after this. We're, we're back, so we're going. We're sort of seeing there's a shop there and I kind of didn't quite get this bit. So owen's out and about. Is this in the village?
Speaker 1:because, yeah, I think he's going around the village and this is where, again, you don't really get that much information because, like I said, the guy's interviewer about the quiff I presume he's just working, I presume he's just like a helper or a carer. There's a guy with a pipe he's talking to, but we never get actually told who these people are or what they're doing no, I assume this is bottom village because there's sort of shops and things you can actually visit there.
Speaker 3:I've got I've got some stuff on it at the end, but yeah, I think he's just moving around the village watching the people working the day-to-day life we come to. We're nearly halfway through this, this bit now, and we come to the. To me that this is the, the drama piece, this is what it's all about. So pamela, how would I word it? So nan's had to go away for a couple of days, so pamela has done making the tea in the afternoon and the washing up yeah, which is her job, which would that were normally nan's job, but pam's done it because pam's kind of decided she's enjoyed this, she's going to take this upon herself.
Speaker 3:So she and it's a running theme for sort of the next well, probably the full last half, but certainly most of it she can't leave it. She keeps barging into the kitchen, she's washing up, even when the carers are telling her she shouldn't be. It's not her job, fucking hell. It's like, yeah, she's not doing that really, but she does look like Warnock and Anthony is this constant presence in the background, like he's sort of it reminds me a bit. Remember Gareth in the office in the club with his beady eyes in the background.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and he's constantly there, sort of like he's kind of got head down but his eyes are sort of up looking straight at her all the time. He's really not happy with what she's doing and she comes across as so unpleasant and I know she has issues and I get it. We're only judging it in this documentary. She's shouting at everyone constantly. She's telling them she's not going to be bossed around. While bossing everyone around, she's pushing people, she's shoving people. You can see Nan's upset and there's another guy consoling her and she kind of comes over and you know you shouldn't be doing it and you know you shouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 1:It sort of gives her a shove and says stop it. Now I've worked with people, though, with autism before. A couple of them are so much like this. It's so much this sort of right, this is how we're doing things, you can't be doing that, you should be doing this and you should be doing that. So I think she comes across far more. She is aggressive in this. There's no doubt in it.
Speaker 3:She is. Yeah, no doubt she is. Yeah, she's very loud in the face. Yeah, yeah, in the face, and even with the carers she's kind of quite angry like no jeremy, I am not doing that, you will not be telling. So, yeah, this is, this is where and actually apparently she should be. I think she should be oiling up some chairs or something like that, yeah, but she's taking anthony's job, aren't you?
Speaker 1:basically, well, she's kind of part taking anthony and nan's role away from him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and one thing it says is that you know, anthony, he loves that. Part of what these people have is they love their role and their jobs and it making. Yeah, they're part of the community, and there's a bit where he talks about phoning the police and to me, like that, that just proves how important it is to him yeah, yeah outrageous that somebody's taking his job To him. That's the biggest thing you can imagine that would involve the police that somebody's washing up when it's his turn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. And, like I said, he does say he's proud of his job and he doesn't like people in his space Because obviously he's got some sort of different mental difficulty, or whatever you want to call it to Pam. Pam's is like I think Pam just she has to be in charge and it's like I, I this, I've got this in my head. Now, what's going to happen today and this is how it has to happen?
Speaker 3:But to me this seems so unmanageable. If these two are in this space every day, how does this not boil over? I mean ending violence so like, not not like huge, but it ends with kind of getting a little bit physical. And yeah, surely, and, and one of the guys I'm not sure if it's jeremy, jeremy or is it christian, but somebody sort of takes it to one side and tries to explain to her this is not on and she's not having it, and I just don't know how this could ever be resolved. This it just seems like every day she's going to try and do this now and every day day, Anthony is going to be getting madder and madder watching her in his space. Yeah, we, we come to a brilliant little side character.
Speaker 1:I don't know his name. Let's just shut it. You talk about the guy who walks with his hands behind his back.
Speaker 3:The guy who every day at 12 o'clock he says right, it's 12 o'clock he gets up and goes around and shakes everyone's hand, yeah but he walks around like Liam Gallagher with the same like sort of posture as him.
Speaker 1:He puts his arms around his back and his neck right, really far out, as if he's going to say maybe you know what I mean. Yeah, he's a really nice guy. He seems to go in like a little cupboard to me, like at the end.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he goes and stands in a cupboard at the end, or like hands in a cupboard at the end like a storeroom. Not quite sure why, I don't. I don't know if he does that every day, but certainly nobody's surprised that he goes around shaking everybody's hand at 12 o'clock seems like a nice shop, seems like a really nice job if that's quite a nice tradition that it's 12 o'clock, it's dinner time.
Speaker 3:Go around and shake everyone's hand. That's it. You've done the first part of the day. I think that's a. It's a nice thing that he's doing going, standing, standing.
Speaker 1:I'm looking, just looking back. You know it looks like the like a like a cloak room.
Speaker 3:It just stands in a small cloak room yeah, and we don't see any more of him after that, do we?
Speaker 1:now again. So it's such an abrupt end like to to another great character and I realize what they tried to do, but I I I do come away with this with some amazing moments, really enjoyed it, but so frustrating. I want to know more. What are they up to? Does he do that every day, does he?
Speaker 3:why does he do it? Does he like him, owen? What does he do? Why is he there? Why is he here? Why is he there? Do you like Kelly?
Speaker 1:Hare, yeah, does he? Would he be shocked if he saw a yellow elephant? I'm not sure, but there's so much more that I want to know more we come to the secondary key story to this, to me actually more important but it is the best yeah front line in the same way that the pamela and anthony head-to-head does.
Speaker 3:But yeah, so barry, after 25 years, has decided he wants to to go and be more independent. He wants to go and go and live in the, the bigger world, not just this little village. So there's a kind of community. It's like council or government funded or whatever, but there's a kind of community. I don't know if it's like council or government funded or whatever, but there's some kind of charity type organization, who who give him it's not sheltered housing, is it, but it's. But it's some kind of like shared space. It's a flat. It says he's got a shared bathroom, but he gets his own living space and it's. It's just, it's just him and he to defend himself. This is in Whitby.
Speaker 1:I went to Whitby actually the day after I watched this, not to find Barrett, but it was on my mind and I thought I wonder if, because it'd stand out, wouldn't it his limb?
Speaker 3:I saw someone on a forum say they saw him there when they were eight and they were kind of.
Speaker 1:Oh, I saw that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they said yeah, freaked him out, but he sat on a bench for a long time talked to himself something like that. But yes, I mean, he's sort of lost at one bit and he can't find his house. I think that's a little bit later on, but he did.
Speaker 1:I don't quite know where how I feel about, about this. Well he done there's a great bit, an absolutely fantastic line it this is what I talk about like he's a bit of a philosopher or a deep thinker, at least is. He's not sure if he should move to it, but he's having doubts about it and he's asked what are you frightened of losing?
Speaker 3:and he says my grip, which is a brilliant line it's a yeah fantastic line, because they're sort of saying are you worried about losing your friendships, about losing touch with people? It's revealed in this moment as well, when he says that that he has no contact with his family at all. No, no. But then he tells us that he's got some pictures of himself as a, as a child.
Speaker 3:I might be jumping ahead a little bit, but yeah, but yeah part of the same story and he shows a picture of himself as a child. It's quite, really poor sort of documentary style because they never, they don't show the image or zoom in on it. They just use the version of him holding it up. It's like the laziest kind of you know it's not. Can we take a picture out and use it within the show?
Speaker 1:it's just, yeah, vaguely, and this is again where, where the criticisms of it, just feels like someone I don't know. It's almost like a. It's almost feeling a bit like a student thing. I can imagine like people in a in a college I used to do media studies and stuff and you're like I don't know.
Speaker 3:Let's go with cameras, I'll film him, film him, film him yeah all together, you're like we haven't really got so much more to his story than you. Yeah, like you know someone, you going up to the canteen worker saying I uh, what's your favorite food we've got on today? I really like lasagna. All right, see you later. There's more to this than than just a quick yeah, yeah film you've done it before you taught you.
Speaker 1:You know someone who did. I think you did media studies and stuff and it used to frustrate me when I used to see other people say I've got this great footage and you get, and they'd get loads of footage, but you're like you've been, you've not got anything, you've just sort of got little shots of him over there yeah, but what is it?
Speaker 3:yeah, so, so yeah, according to this and his and, and you know, seemingly broke out of prison, which I don't believe, so I don't know if this is true, but he seems to have photo evidence here. It looks like him, but they never bothered to zoom in close enough that I can really tell but apparently his dad. So they stood outside like this big mansion or sort of country house, and he says yeah, who's the?
Speaker 1:the foreign, foreign ambassador yeah, for france, and it's in paris yeah yeah, yeah are you the french ambassador? Yeah that, that blew my mind because I thought I mean it could be nonsense.
Speaker 3:But it looks real to me that yeah, it looks to me like his family certainly spent some time at this huge villa in Paris on the outskirts of Paris. And, yeah, his father was the French ambassador, so there's such an interesting story. But if I was making this documentary, to me, that's the point where I would say we've got. This has got to be a documentary about Barry. We want to let's try and find out for him what happens, because he says, oh, that's one thing I must. I must do, actually, is find out what happened to my father. Yeah, this show could, could be that vehicle to a really great story about barry. Yeah, but but we'll just cut back now to more bickering. And I get it, though, in a way.
Speaker 1:But you want to, you want to. It's about the village, it's not about barry. But, as you said, after a while I wonder if they got too deep into it and it would just we. We can't, we've got too much now. We can't really just focus on Barry. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and straight away we're back in the workshop. We've got Nan sorry Pamela pushing in again trying to take over, and Anthony's prowling isn't he?
Speaker 1:He's like a he's like stalking around the the little tea room. The voiceover says it's nan's turn to make the tea, but pam has other ideas. You know exactly what's going to come.
Speaker 3:Anthony just can't accept it. He's rubbing his hands together. He's staring at this tea room. I mean there's a, so pamela brings out the tea. Somebody's holding up a cup and kind of laughing about it. She's trying to whack his hand with a spoon yeah, yeah, yeah really doesn't come across great in this bit, Pamela.
Speaker 1:But this is the thing as well where I can't associate with her at all. It's because I'm a lazy man. I just said look, she wants to do every job, she wants to do everything. I've worked with people like this before. Fucking, let them do it. Yeah, you do do it. I'll go for a break. But obviously in this situation it's different, because they all are really proud about the roles and the jobs and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're not. They're not trying to get out of work. They don't. They wouldn't go somewhere else this is their kind of value, so yeah, yeah, I feel for for nan and anthony and she's really sort of unpleasant in the way she deals with them because she's doing that kind of like gaslighting thing of sort of saying she's telling them that she will not be bossed around by them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she says something like Whilst, bossing them around. She goes. Anthony is not our ruler.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, everyone kind of seemingly gets on with Anthony and he's trying to look after everyone and she's telling everyone what she's going to do and what she's not going to do. We're back with Owen doing a little bit of filming again. We're back with Owen doing a little bit of filming again. He goes to a guy again. I don't think we told his name, but he goes to a guy and asks him. He tells him his name wrong, doesn't he?
Speaker 1:I think it's Andrew isn't it.
Speaker 3:No, but hold on, sorry, I'm just. I'm just getting it up now so he sees him in the disc. Well, first of all, actually actually interviews the guy in the coffee shop.
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yes or no questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then he sees a guy in the street and he says, oh, what does he call him? Agnes, is it?
Speaker 1:Agnes, agnes, yeah.
Speaker 3:But then he talks to him for a bit and this guy just is not really paying attention to him. And then he realises he's not agnerd, it's cagnard or something like that. So he says, oh, cagnard. And I thought at that point like he might realize now that it's talking to him, but he still just he kind of just looks at him as if he's not there, doesn't he like?
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, and it's another. It's another guy that I'd really like to know. Who's this? What's his role? Where does he fit in? How long has he been here?
Speaker 1:we get we get 10 seconds of they should go back to this and do I mean, I don't know. You know this is 2005. I imagine a fair few have passed away because a lot of them are, you know, getting on in age in this, but I'd love to see like a proper six. This is definitely worth a six because you're not laughing or anything like that. We barely laughed off all the way through they are all intriguing characters they're just genuinely interested, genuinely there are moments where they're they.
Speaker 3:They do things that are funny, but it's not in a tone of laughing at these people yeah, it's just too too many things too quick, that that never.
Speaker 3:There's no narrative at all is there. It is like students have had a day to film on somewhere and they've just filmed a lot of stuff and cut it together. Maybe that's what it is, um. So, yeah, it's hotting up again with pamela and nan and anthony more very similar footage. The carers are really trying to tell pamela look, pamela, you're being really rude, this is not your job and she just won't have it. She wants to do what she wants to do. She's grabbing older nan, she's grabbing all the nan and it's building this. It's almost like they fixated on this, this bit of it building to this bit between Anthony and Pamela, cause that's the key driver of this show, seemingly Cause then we're back with Barry and we get a very quick clip of him lost in Whitby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just wandering around like he has no idea where he is, does he?
Speaker 3:Well, he seemingly does find it, whether they helped him or whether he just ended up finding it. I was trying to, because I know Whitby fairly well. I was kind of trying to place where it is, but I couldn't quite get it. There's a bit where you see the Abbey in the background. I was trying to judge it off that. But yeah, it just seems strange to me that the camera crew is with him on this particular day and maybe they can help him, and maybe they do, maybe they don't, I don't know. But it would worry me if this guy's got to live on his own and he's regularly getting lost around his own house. He's in a town, he's been in that village for 25 years and all of a sudden he's in quite a busy tourist town.
Speaker 3:It's got busy roads there, it's got trains there, it's got it's got the, the sort of dock and the, the waterfront. And yeah, he's I kind of worry a little bit for him in this. He told, he tells us that he can't use his oven because he's not got a sparker and he's sort of explaining to us. And again it's very poetic sort of melody type voice, isn't it?
Speaker 3:it's very sing song, not sing songs the wrong word, but it's really rich voice yeah about why he can't use his gas cooker and very calmly, the documentary maker says I think, I think actually it's a. It's an electric oven, barry. And he says no, I don't think it is. Well, it is, you can see it. Yeah, you hope somebody's shown him that, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:No, actually he can't use it Because he says he's going to have a sandwich from his tea, because he doesn't believe he can use his oven. Yeah, but no, seemingly.
Speaker 3:I mean, maybe he's forgotten, but nobody's shown him how to use it, and maybe the oven's gas, but certainly the hot plates on top look to be electric. But as far as he's concerned he can't use it and he's been there a little bit this moment and he's you know if he's still not using his oven because he hasn't got a sparker and he doesn't know where to go and buy a sparker. Yeah, I don't think this is great. I was a bit uncomfortable. Anthony's kind of decided right, I'm not having this anymore. I'm going to get in there and do my washing up.
Speaker 1:She comes in, pointing at him, gesturing at him, pointing him right in his face like a genuine again she looks like Warnock going well fuck it, I'll fucking stay there, you.
Speaker 3:Get out there and tell him.
Speaker 1:That referee's got to see that she's pointing his face and he absolutely loses it back doesn't he?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the first time he snaps. He shouts I mean, she's got it coming. She seems a bit shocked when he shouts.
Speaker 1:He pushes her a little bit, it's not a proper push. No.
Speaker 3:I think the bit that gets to him is because she keeps telling him I'm going to tell on you, I'm going to tell them when Gary's back, you've had it when Gary's back. And I think he doesn't know what he's done wrong and he's kind of scared that they're going to tell him off. And he ends up sort of lunging at her to get rid of her, doesn't he? And he kind of says you know he's clearly got his issues going on, but he says and I think, job here and I'm not going to be spoken to like that, yeah she is whatever problems pam's got.
Speaker 1:When she's coming in point in his face going you're a disgrace and all this sort of stuff you can't.
Speaker 3:I mean even after like he's had his pop at her, she still comes back in pointing yeah, she sat down and talked to and told there's a bit we didn't mention actually, and I wonder if they insert this in afterwards just just to kind of get us to not dislike pam because they do say she's been having a really hard couple of months but in in true sort of weak documentary style, because it's a great watch, but I don't think it's done very well yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:What is this difficult?
Speaker 3:two months that she's had what's you know? What's lovely is that at the start, where she's giggling with a brush, is that the normal Pam, but something's happening that's triggered this? No idea, don't know.
Speaker 1:I thought when they said that I didn't realise how little about a documentary we left, but I thought we were going to get like a sad. Oh, she found out her brother had died or whatever Do you know what I mean. I thought we were going to get some, but nothing. Just said no, she had a bad month. Could have been anything, could have just lost. Lost a cup favourite cup.
Speaker 3:Quite a sad bit, probably the saddest bit of the whole thing, really. So we go back to Barry, but actually doesn't want any contact with anyone. He's locked himself in his sort of flat and they knock on the door and they say you, you know, is everything all right? And he very eloquently puts it again, doesn't he Like? It's not a good time Not a good time.
Speaker 1:This is not the right time, yeah.
Speaker 3:And they say, well, I was only going to put my head around. No, I've asked you once. I told you this is not a great time. And she says to the documentary maker we're worried about you, barry.
Speaker 1:He says, told you and that's it, that's the last we've seen of barry's that you know, we've kind of seen this decline coming. Is there a thing at the end like uh, because I don't think I got this on this version because it were in german, but it seems like a. At the very end he says all right, yeah, because I meant to translate it.
Speaker 3:I never got a chance well, I was the same, because I was hoping that you would have. So let's read it in german see if we can figure it out. Efter Tremann, efter Tremann Egen Hand Klager Sieg Barry, mikit Battery. So I'm thinking, after this was made, barry, let's see what Mikit Battery means. Let's do it live.
Speaker 1:It's ridiculous. I meant to I put in notes, find out what that says, and then I never did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're going to witness this live.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what you might be able to do actually is I don't know. You can't do it on here. You sometimes can translate. Hang on, here we go.
Speaker 3:This is cutting edge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is cutting edge. Yeah, this is. It's been quite good so far. I assumed I was hoping you'd done this right, I've got it, so according to this, anyway, this is I've lost the place.
Speaker 3:Now this is terrible this is awful, isn't it this?
Speaker 1:is absolutely appalling. She's took a break from the wood workshop. I've lost the place now. This is terrible. This is awful, isn't it? This is absolutely appalling. She's took a break from the wood workshop. What's her face?
Speaker 3:Pam, no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Mike it battery translates to Mike it battery, so that's yeah, there's no translator, there's no voiceover, so we don't know what we don't know Well.
Speaker 3:I do know that Barry went back to the village. I don't know if that's now or if this is telling us in German that he stayed there for a while. I mean that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Trying to learn a language. Trying to learn a language.
Speaker 3:It does say at the end. So I think that's saying and now works back in Bottom or lives back in bottom.
Speaker 1:Well that'll do me, that'll do me. Yeah, so I'm not. We don't know what that said, because we both Thought each other were going to be. Translating it, but we didn't. But yeah, so I'm not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't, we don't know what that said, because we both thought each other were going to be, uh, translating it, but we didn't. But yeah, so so eventually, barry does end up back in button. I don't know if it's straight after this, but yeah, at least it seems.
Speaker 1:At some point people realized that he perhaps needed to be back in that space, because this is where, by the way, we come on to the different version, because there is a different version which has no ending like that at all, because I'm just looking at that now and it's not the version I watched. But you have watched both versions, haven't you?
Speaker 3:I've skimmed through the other one to see what was different. So there's an hour-long version. Instead of the strangest village in Britain, let me just see Britain's strongest man it's trying to find. Now this is chaos. It's called something like hold on, it's an hour long anyway. Strangers Village, no Village Life.
Speaker 1:There's one called Village Life there's also Strangers Village in Britain and then it says Bottom North Yorkshire after it, which you can watch, but it's the same thing there's actually same as this one. No, that's an hour long one.
Speaker 3:That's a different one all right, okay, so so the hour long one from what I got. So so we've basically finished there. By the way, like there's that, that's the ending to it all ends very quickly. The music just comes on, but there's a video called village life that phil Phil Turner, eight years ago, has put on there, and it's all this stuff we've seen, but it's an hour, so there's an additional 12 minutes. Now there's some blokes shouting at each other in the workshop. The sequencing is all different as well. It's completely different in ordering, and there's no voiceover. Rather than it saying this is the workshop, we just get a piece of text that comes up on screen workshop. I tried to find out what was going on with this. I have no idea. I don't know where that came from, whether that's the original footage or somebody's done something further down the line, I don't know. It's weird, though that seemingly that was after the channel 4 documentary using the same footage yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1:Like well, I mean, like I say, because the whole thing is put together. Do you think this is a shambles? I don't think we're much behind the people who made this documentary, to be honest no, we could go make.
Speaker 3:Well, we're doing a road show, aren't we? It's a shame, because if it's not called interbotten, because what? One thing that I found is that the so obviously there's a farm, there's a shop and a cafe there, but tell you what the cafe? So I've had a look today. It's it is for. For prices, let's tell, reasonable. This is um food menu breakfast served until 11 30, and this is as of now, by the way, so it still exists this place. Sausage or bacon roll £3.75. You can have sausage and bacon if you want to pay an extra pound scrambled egg on toast 325.
Speaker 3:Very good, sounds good. Um, skip through to lunch. So sandwiches are fiver, soup and a roll three quid. Toast is a fiver. Yeah, I think it's really reasonable.
Speaker 1:We're gonna travel to south london next week, so yeah, but that's what I mean it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not close enough to on route we should have.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, you know what we should do. We should never do this realistically unless we get loads of money. Um, we should have. You know what we should do. We should never do this realistically unless we get loads of money. We should everything. Every place that we've talked about we should try and visit for a day. I don't know where else what else have we talked about other than this place?
Speaker 3:where does he live? Johnny Davidson, scotland Maidley Squatters?
Speaker 1:we're not in London yeah, I'm going to see where Maidley squatters we're not in London. Yeah, I'm going to see where it made the squatters. I'll see if we can yeah, see if we can get any. Uh, eurovision, where were that?
Speaker 3:old. Yeah, I don't know actually. Yeah, we'd have to look into it. We'd have to arrange, like some kind of Maidly travel dates. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the moment. So that certainly won't be happening. That won't be happening. Yeah, so it still exists. It's part of the camp hill village trust, something that I read a guardian article sorry, the independent article, um, from a few years back, 10 years ago actually, but apparently there was a, from what I gather. They tried to kind of, rather than these sort of volunteer carers, they tried to make it more professional. So they wanted actually professional paid carers in there and the charity said it kind of had to move with the times and the regulations. But a lot of the people who'd been there a long time didn't like the changes, didn't like the. They'd kind of gone from being relaxed, feeling part of families, to almost being cared for, which is not what what they felt.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, what they felt, yeah, so yeah, it kind of there was a lot of complaints, that the complaints of police, I think it said in this article, but yeah, they talk about harassment and bullying. Um, I mean, they were saying they missed, they misused the, the legislation in the mental capacity act, the charity law wasn't met. I don't know kind of how all that was resolved, but it is still running now. So it did kind of get through all this. But yeah, we're just. I mean we now. So they did kind of get through all this, but yeah, we're just. I mean we've said it's unprofessional a lot of this documentary, but but where do you stand on on the actual making of it? Do you think? Is it exploiting these people?
Speaker 1:I don't think it is exploiting at all, because all they're doing is filming. If they were saying sort of I don't know sarky comments in the background, like, but Pam is not happy about this, they do to a degree, but not really, so I don't think it is exploitive. They're just filming this. Like I said, we keep saying the same thing. But it's true, the worst thing is you don't get any follow-on. You don't get any follow-on from any of these brilliant characters. And I understand the time limits of it, but it just seems a little bit like we've got an hour to film. Just go to this town. It's apparently like you know, it's quite a strange town. Yeah, all right, yeah, we'll film it, yeah, but I think genuinely this could have been a six-parter.
Speaker 3:Well, if you and we might do at some point, but obviously it is genuinely kind of sad and not funny. But the boy whose skin fell off, which is a really such tribute, well, the narrative is there, isn't it?
Speaker 1:it's kind of set this, this is, you know, he knows, or even the end of his life, and it's his journey there one that we have done john's not mad I can't remember what it's called uh, I swear I can't help it which is about johnny david. I think it was series one, episode 12 that were a really, really, really good watch, because we got to know a lot about johnny davidson as a person, rather than bloody hell, this man just goes around swearing all the time yeah, and they also did the later one, weren't they?
Speaker 3:which is? I don't know if it's a follow-on or just a Tourette's one yeah, but we still followed them on on a journey, didn't we? There was a guy dating and there was a people trying to get through their lives and, yeah, this just felt like, oh, should we just pop up somewhere for a day and film a couple of people?
Speaker 1:yeah, this is like I said, that john's johnny davidson documentary I think is brilliant as a documentary. There's obviously funny bits in that. You know probably the main reason people come to it, but as a documentary I think it's almost perfectly done for what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, I mean, I don't know how long we've been recording. It's probably not one of our longest episodes out, but a really interesting watch. I would absolutely recommend anyone goes and watches it and some some you know, some funny moments in there, some bits that make you think. But yeah, not great tv from channel four no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Great documentary, really really glad I watched it. Um, I say great documentary, a great idea for a documentary? Probably not.
Speaker 3:I mean, if anyone does know, anything, particularly about barry, I would say. If anybody's ever seen any article or read anything or watched anything, yeah, I would genuinely like to know a bit more about I think he's getting.
Speaker 1:He's getting on a bit in this and this for 20 years ago now. I do worry that. You know, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I mean he must be in his 60s, maybe.
Speaker 3:Even so, if, off the back of this, a few years later on, if anybody ever looked into his story, if his family ever saw him and got in, I would really like to know about. But I suppose anything anyone's got they did actually do um to part of the same on the human series they did. Uh, what was it? Britain's strangest hotel, the strangest hotel in Britain which?
Speaker 3:part of the third series. So I don't know if if they'd learned the lesson by that and if that has any more narrative to it. I'm not sure, I don't know. Might even watch it, not necessarily for a podcast episode, but I might watch that. Yeah, um, interesting, funny in places, and I think there's much more we can do with that now.
Speaker 1:A lot are open, frustrated, watching it, as I said, because at the end I'm thinking I wonder what he's doing now. I wonder what happened to him. What's that all about? But a really, really good watch, but a frustrating one massive turn next week li, because we're going to do. Are we classing this as like a midweek Maidly? Really Like an extended midweek Maidly? Strangest caravan in Britain, the strangest caravan. Me and Liam are going to Chapel St Leonard's for two days for the Maidly Roadshow. Well, three days technically, isn't it? Well, three days technically in it. Well, three days. Yeah, what we've got planned so far is we're going to go through all the comments because we haven't done a middle with madley for ages. We're going to go through all the comments that we've missed out. Live over a few pints. I think that's fair enough. And then we're going to watch chef united against hull uh on tv, and then that's when this is when the serious business gets started. It's going to be karaoke time in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've got, got a karaoke machine. In fact I need to charge it, but yeah, I've got the batteries in the mics. We've got dual mics. We will, we did it last year and we we press record did loads of different songs and then realized it cut out after there were a few moments.
Speaker 1:Last year we were drunk and I imagine we'll be drunk again this time, where, when we didn't do good versions of songs like, I think, the one you came in I I was just shaking my head, weren't I Like sort of disappointed with my performance. So it's going to be interesting. We're not just going to leave in the good ones. There'll be some shit in there as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'll see the rough and the smooth. You can join us. I'm going to say send us in your karaoke stuff. But that's ridiculous, isn't it people's karaoke? Obviously jp, who sent us a great version of merry christmas. I don't care if you're in a band and you. That's not karaoke, is it.
Speaker 1:That's. That's well, no well that's yeah that's, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but if you want to do yourself, I think we saw the major did a brilliant version of uh, four stars out of five. Didn't he put on uh? Yeah yeah, yeah, that was really good, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:yeah genuine like brilliant, that so it's A exaggerated version, but actually brilliant. Yeah, yeah, all right. Yeah, I'm just thinking do we and by we I mean me want to sit editing loads of karaoke clips? I mean, I'm pretending we're going to get loads and loads of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't think we will now. Yeah, send us what you ever done. Well, we'll talk about this next week. Forget it, we'll talk about what.
Speaker 3:I'll try and get a list of all the times if you want as well, if you listen to this, if you want yeah, if you listen to this and there's any questions before we go. So either as a dm or or as a. Just just add a comment on the thing any questions my favorite foods and stuff like that, didn't we and?
Speaker 1:yeah, last shit like that Last meal.
Speaker 3:I think we did, didn't we?
Speaker 1:If you've got anything, honestly, just ask us. It's Nick in what they call the nutsack of Tufty Club, which is great news, because every time we can plagiarise Tufty Club, it's always good. So if you've got any questions for us, stick it in the rick sack. No, it doesn't work. A rick sack, what can we say? The stick it in the millennium cupboard. That doesn't even make sense. Yeah, keep it in the millennium cupboard.
Speaker 3:And let I don't know it relies on some prior knowledge from episode one that nobody will know to make sense of that, so just put it in the nut sack yeah, yeah, put it in the nut sack, fuck it, um, yeah.
Speaker 1:So thanks for that, liam, and I will see you live and lewd on friday yeah, see you.
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