Living With Madeley
"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
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Series 8 Episode 9 - Trouble At The Top: Bucks Fizz v David Van Day
Ever wondered what really happened between Bobby Gee and David Van Day in the world of Bucks Fizz? Get ready for a sensational ride as we uncover the drama, laughter, and skirt-ripping moments that defined one of Eurovision's most iconic bands. With storytelling genius Jim Carter adding depth, we take you back to their unforgettable 1981 victory and the creative minds like Andy Hill, who fueled their chart-topping success. Join us as we unravel the captivating tale of two competing Bucks Fizz incarnations, each claiming their piece of the legacy.
As personalities clash and ambitions collide, we journey through the turbulent relationship between David Van Day and Bobby G. From missed dinner dates to the pursuit of solo fame in the most unexpected places, the tension is palpable and the anecdotes are nothing short of hilarious. Discover the dynamics that drove the band apart and the relentless determination of Van Day, who dreamed big despite performing to smaller audiences. This episode is a comedic exploration of the ambition and friction that have left an indelible mark on Bucks Fizz's history.
But the drama doesn't end there. Delve into the legal battles and personal vendettas over the rights to the Bucks Fizz name, exploring Van Day's audacious moves and Bobby G's concerns about their cherished legacy. Alongside these tales, we offer a humorous take on Noel Edmonds, as we correct a previous misinformation while sharing our mixed feelings about his contributions to entertainment. With anecdotes, bold claims, and a touch of nostalgia, this episode promises to entertain, engage, and perhaps even change your perspective on these enduring showbiz rivalries.
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Speaker 3:Hello and welcome to the podcast Living with Maidly. This is a TV nostalgia based podcast. I'm Leroy, one of the hosts and the other one is Andrew. Good evening, sir. How are things? Very good, very, very good, pretty, pretty, pretty good. Something I didn't know, actually, is when is this retro? Was it 2002,?
Speaker 4:was it 2002. I mean, it's 22 years ago ago. 23 years ago in a couple of weeks. That's retro enough for me. Yeah, um, yeah. So this is as this is. I really enjoyed this. This is making your mind up. Books versus david van day, trouble at the top, uploaded by shit stain. Uh, knob knocker and I. I didn't know what to expect with this because we were going to do Millennium Dome, as I said, and then I realised that we're part four of four. So we changed tact and we're going to be this or I think we're going to do the story of El Dorado, didn't we? We picked this because we might still do that. Yeah, we might still do that, but I don't know this guy, david Van Day. I just felt we have to cover him.
Speaker 3:He's brilliant. I mean, you've still got time. It's only 40 minutes long If you want to go and watch it and then come back to us and see if you're aligned with what we thought. But yeah, of all the things we do, there's somewhere that you think, oh, this is going to be great. I just wasn't sure with this one. Yeah, from the first couple of minutes. Sometimes I just skip through them just to see what, what it is what we're going to talk about yeah, as soon as I put it on.
Speaker 3:I just watched it all the way through. I thought it was great it is.
Speaker 4:It's absolutely phenomenal, genuinely. So it starts off. It's the same voiceover as the blood on the tracks guy that we did in this series, jim carter of downton abbey, fame. Uh, he's brilliant at these sort of things. He should probably do a voiceover in every documentary, to be honest. But it starts with Van Dyke throwing pebbles into a sea, like really like sort of I don't know, like, like contemplating life yeah like he's been wronged.
Speaker 4:He's like where do I go from here? But the entire story is basically about how two rival versions of Bucks Fizz began touring Britain. As it says in the voiceover, the feud range from butlins to the falklands for a great line. Uh, but just a bit of background. Obviously, books for his 1971, obviously was. They became famous with their eurovision entry um, making your mind, making your mind up and obviously the most famous for the skirts being ripped off. And two of the original members, bobby g and mike nolan, featured fairly heavily in this one, bobby G in particular. The other two were Cheryl Baker, who I quite liked back in the day, actually Cheryl Baker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was on Record Breakers when we were young children?
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right. Yeah, did she do Eggs and Bacon, eggs and Baker or something as well? Have I made that up? I'm sure she did something called Eggs and Bacon. It sounds familiar, but it could also be something you've just made up. Yeah, eggs and bacon, but yeah, and the other one with Jay Aston, who we don't hear from at all in this, actually, but yeah, so they won Eurovision, obviously famously won Eurovision in 97.
Speaker 3:I think they won it just because of the skirt rip. I don't know what they were up against.
Speaker 4:I'm not sure. Was it so memorable?
Speaker 3:Because I think at the time that was like it blew people's minds, didn't it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I think it was really risque, weren't it?
Speaker 3:I've heard Gervais Emergent, I think talk about this, and it was like it goes from a big skirt to a slightly smaller skirt. It's not like they're not sort of whipping all the clothes off, are they?
Speaker 4:It's just a smaller skirt. No, no, no, not at all. I mean I mean the way bobby g talks in this bobby g. The main thing is about bobby g versus david van day, who we'll get to. David van day's not in the original band, but the way bobby g talks. He's at the start playing a guitar, like quite a nice little melody in it. He's got on the guitar. Um, I thought he wrote the books for his stuff, but no, we're all written by a man called andy hill. Um, the way bobby talks, and that our protective is of the books for his brand. I presumed it were a bit like a noel gallagher thing, like you know. I mean like, yeah, well, they're all my songs, but they're not.
Speaker 3:He'll roll all the big physics. Yeah, we'll get to the analysis at the end as to kind of where, where we think, yeah, we're right, yeah, whose side?
Speaker 4:are you on, boy? Whose side are you on? As the irish folks on goes um. Andy hill also wrote, co-wrote, by the way, I've got a feeling you'll like this because I don't like it. Think twice by celine dion.
Speaker 4:Uh yes, I do, yeah, I do like it yeah, he also wrote for Westlife Boyzone and, weirdly, eminem. So, yeah, interesting man. Is that real? Is that a joke? Yeah, no, no, that's genuine. Genuinely did get involved with Eminem. Bobby G did write a number of books for his songs, but none of them were released as singles. They were much like B-sides or album tracks or whatever, but they were overnight stars they yourself, but they were overnight stars. They sold 50 million records. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 50 million records is ridiculous, I know, yeah, those sort of numbers just wouldn't exist now, would it? You couldn't do that now? I mean, I know we get a lot, but we're not talking. Those sort of numbers of downloads are we Not just yet?
Speaker 4:no, there are three number ones as well. Mike Nolan, who was the other guy in the barn, so he's two, two men, two women, obviously making your mind up uh london, mate, believe is the probably my favorite of uh. If I had to choose a favorite in the land of may, believe, I could not tell you the other one. To be honest, I'm sorry, but uh, let me have a quick, quick browse mainly live research made the live research books visit tesco has come up, unfortunately.
Speaker 4:to be honest, I'm sorry, but let me have a quick browse. Live browse Made. The live research Books Visit Tesco has come up, unfortunately. First I'll just have a quick gander now. Do you like to drink books first? It's alright, I can have it. I mean, it's one of them isn't it. We're classing this as a Christmas episode, aren't we? Because obviously, obviously, people drink Buxfers at Christmas.
Speaker 3:We do tend to have it as like a. It's not very strong alcohol, is it?
Speaker 4:So we have one of them in the morning my camera never lies was their other number one.
Speaker 3:Doesn't mean anything to me. I imagine it goes something like my camera never lies, something like that. Yeah. I think, we've probably just done it there, haven't we? Yeah, probably pretty close, I would think yeah.
Speaker 4:But anyway, mike Nolan, he nearly died in a car crash at one point and he left. Well, he did leave the band but he was seriously injured. And after this the two girls left, cheryl Baker and Jane, I think I'm going to say is it Jane Asher's McCartney's girlfriend Jane Aston? That's it, aston yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but the two guys kept their name alive on the cabaret circuit but they might quit. So Bobby was the only original member still left in the band, so he brought in and this is where he made his big mistake. He brought in David Van Dyke, who was lead singer of Dollar, and you, yeah, they had five top tenets and I think you're a fan of one of them, aren't you, liam?
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I assumed it was an Erasure song, the All Amour.
Speaker 4:All Amour.
Speaker 3:All Amour.
Speaker 4:I think there's an argument to say he had to sing it really really well. I think there's an argument to say Dollar's songs are better than Buck's Fizz.
Speaker 3:I'm not putting it out there Controversial opinion, but I think if they sort of, If they did a sort of more modern day now do you know how? Like there's lots of sort of retro tribunal tributes. Yeah yeah, I'd probably rather hear Dollar Go on. What's his band? I didn't even know his band's name before this. I thought he was just a solo singer, I singer.
Speaker 4:I didn't know he'd been in a group oh no, he looks a bit like simon jordan actually in this big blonde there, like and he's quite, quite similar quite an arrogant character. He's really arrogant character, but I can imagine, like simon jordan going if you mess with me, this is what you're gonna get.
Speaker 4:You have not squared the circle you've not got a coverage of your own convictions. You're not coverage of your convictions, um, but bobby basically said he brought in david van day mainly because he used to be famous and he looked a bit like mike nolan, as if no one had noticed. Uh, but he says uh. But they perform songs from both bucks, fizz and dollar and van day was convinced to get an. I don't know why he thought this in fairness, like van day was convinced the two together, the two combined forces of bucks, fizz and Dollar, would get him a hit.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean as like a focus group, it absolutely took a tip to sort of you know, back to the big well, even higher than before. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Just something else to mention, by the way that I wrote down. It does become relevant later on, but at the time I was really laughing at this, like why are they doing that? They keep playing the music from Terminator 2 yeah, we'll get to that yeah particularly when he's on Vandai.
Speaker 4:You get this Terminator 2 yeah, but it's like a different version of it, isn't it?
Speaker 3:it's not the real version, it sounds like a really cheap keyboard version of it. Yeah, like, Like you say, there is some context to it and you think, ah, that's why they've done it. But if you just watch the start of this documentary, you'd think why are they playing Terminator 2 music for him?
Speaker 4:It's crazy, it's brilliant. So they started doing buttlings, which a lot of these acts. I mean we used to go to buttlings. I think you used to go to buttlings, didn't you, as a kid? No, I've never done butt. Remember seeing cannon and ball at butlins when I was really young, like it were all these sort of acts who had had the day, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Um, bobby had his singing partner, an actual partner in real life, heidi in the band and david. David had carol, who were from his old band. Um, and bobby says the first few shows were great, but then david was not happy that he wasn't getting the record contracts and tv appearances that he helped for and he says he felt conned and duped. Why, why? I mean, I'll say this I'll back him up in a bit, actually, because once he's split with him, as we'll get to, because this is just sort of setting the scene he does seem to be more successful. I'll give him that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a clear cross wires in there. Obviously, Bobby G he's basically Such a good name I know. Yeah, he knows what it is, doesn't he? I think he understands this is just going to be touring cabaret. Cabaret yeah, it's a bit cheesy, but it keeps the bills paid, whereas Van Dyke absolutely thought this is like, this will be it. We will be top artists. Yeah, good deals flying in and yeah, he's absolutely gutted when it turns out. It's just plain Butlins.
Speaker 4:You mentioned on the voiceover that you wanted to play Hamlet, didn't you Like in Shakespeare and stuff? David Van Der brilliant.
Speaker 3:It was a funny shot of him actually, because I'm clicking through as we're sort of talking about what's going on. But there's a shot I'm not very good with colours, I don't think it is, but there's a shot where his shirt looks to me a bit like the safari suit and his hair's a bit like steve who, and this could be from last week's episode.
Speaker 4:You reckon, crikey mate, he'd do it, it's. It's looks like this kind of man. He says he's scared of nothing, david van day. So he put me some, mind you, he did.
Speaker 4:I'm a celebrity which I'll get on to later, actually so yeah yeah yeah, it's the next, got me like the next logical step on it, like to take up from the crocodile hunter. Uh, we get a really good clip here of the band, like it's obviously going well at this point, um, and they get real dead ringer for love and it's so much like phoenix knives, everything about it. There's little they probably in this, but it looks like there's about 14 people in the audience and they all look really old and they're on stage. You're a real dead ringer for love.
Speaker 3:It's like ridiculous yeah, I mean, I didn't quite understand this bit, though, like did. Is there some sort of deal that he thought was promised that didn't happen, or or was it always sort of his own speculation that we know we don't?
Speaker 4:really get it like. I think david's just got it in his head. I imagine this is just judging by this, this alone, this documentary. Imagine bobby g said really need someone in the band, david, we can make a bit of money out of this, and David's gone. Oh yeah, imagine that we'll get TV deals and everything. He's gone. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 3:I reckon that's how it's gone by this time we're getting the, so we're seeing off camera bits and pieces from at the time what we're going on. But then we're also getting interviews with Dave Vande, but also now Bobby G and his wife are now talking to camera and they're telling their side of the story.
Speaker 4:What do you make of her involvement? She seems like I don't know. I mean, all I was singing is the Rolling Stones songs under my thumb. Now she does seem like the force behind that duo. Definitely. Bobby says that David didn't like Heidiide, his wife, because she told him what to do, but he says no woman would get away with that. And then david agrees he goes to davis not getting away with that with me. It's so funny. David says the control freeze is a brilliant bit. Where they're talking about this, costume changes. But david van dale only wear black at all times because it makes him look slimmer.
Speaker 3:But again, I love that bit because it says well, yeah, he just wants to wear black all the time, black tops, black bottoms. And then it goes to him and you think he's going to say, no, that's ridiculous. And he says, yeah, yeah, I just want to wear black. I find it very slimming.
Speaker 4:Because he's very, very slimming. He gives them a certain age. You start getting it's like sorry dick. This is a brilliant bit, though this is where the cracks really start and it basically they're not far from splitting up by this point. They've not even been going a year.
Speaker 1:At this point I was going to play a quick clip clip here of uh david when he finally decided basically he were gonna leave the band we did something, uh, at a holiday camp and there was a couple of celebrity presenters came down from a quiz show and bucks were part of it and I remember at the end of it they all went off to dinner and they didn't invite me and I thought the big mistake. You know, he was deliberate. If people do things like that to me, I paid about five times as much. It's as simple as that he's clearly.
Speaker 3:I mean, you said it's about me sometimes, but I think he's on another level. If you've wronged Van Dyke, well, you've had it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's coming for you, isn't it? It's coming for you. Don't matter what I mean, we'll see later on. It'll go to so many lengths as well. I have to quit. But the news came through that they'd be invited to play for soldiers situated in the Falklands. David takes a camera with him.
Speaker 4:There's some brilliant bits on this, but they're all getting on. Really they're going down well with the troops. But this is where a bit of thing, for I don't know. There's a bit here where Bobby says David wanted him to play the dollar hits, the Lamar, whatever it's called that you like. But David said, like the troops wanted to hear him as dollar, but Bobby just says no, they don't Like, really like sort of dismissive no, they don't. So David gives a solo performance in another club of his dollar hits, and this is amazing. He gives a solo performance in another club of his dollar hits, and this is amazing. This he like sort of does like a shit handstand. He jumps off stage like into a crowd, but there's about 10 people there, I think he said it's like he does it for the sergeants or something, so he goes off and does his own little mini concert for them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, again. It's crazy, though, that what? What does he think? Because he wants to leave effectively. But then if somebody said, oh no, you can go and play to some soldiers, and he's like, yeah, I'm up for that, Did he think this was another sort of ticket to the big time? Maybe?
Speaker 4:I think he thought well, what he says here is that Bobby says it were a disaster. No one knew where we were and it does look a bit like a disaster. Not a disaster, there's just not many people there. There he does a mad handstand which he doesn't pull off at all. They look so much like david brent when he's doing the do more of these, do you know what I mean? Like when he's dressed in powers or whatever? Um, but I think he thinks, genuinely does think, that people want to hear him as the dollar hits.
Speaker 4:Uh, david says that. Uh, bobby was jealous because he was good at mixing with people and he made him feel at ease. But again, like brent, I can mix with people from all walks of life. Basically, I'm a chilled out entertainer, yeah, yeah. But then it all comes to a head where we get video coverage of Dave coming back. David coming back one night pissed and Bobby, who's in the next room, tells him to shut up and be quiet. David starts trying to kick the door down and offers him out for a fight.
Speaker 3:Brilliant because they're just so different, but offers him out for a fight. Brilliant because they're just so different. But you expect again, it's just done perfectly. Because I thought van der is going to say well, that's no, that's not what happened, but it's like yeah, yeah, I was trying to get him.
Speaker 4:To get him what he says he goes uh well, I suspect you were a bit scared and I don't blame him. The odd case, but it's unbelievable. Imagine him banging on your door. He says like he were genuinely like Bobby says you were offering him out for a fight. I so Bobby and I said them. From then on, david began acting unprofessional. I wasn't doing the routines. Heidi said she could bear to look at him. Well, actually I'll play a clip here because it's again so much. Look, david, david Brent there's. This is a so much David Brent there. This is him sort of refuting that he was unprofessional on that Falklands tour.
Speaker 2:He wasn't doing the routines. No, you know, he was just sort of walking through the act, not really worrying what he was doing, how he was singing, he just didn't care.
Speaker 1:That's just complete rubbish and in fact, I would do the opposite. I would go out of my way to make sure people watch me and perform. Well, I want everybody to look at me then on this stage and I'm going to show you how to perform. You're going to learn something about charisma and how these things work, you know.
Speaker 3:Because this is going to cost you.
Speaker 4:This is going to cost you. You're going to learn something about charisma Incredible.
Speaker 3:The one thing I'll say, though, is Bobby G, for such a sort of good funny name, does have zero charisma in this documentary. I don't know.
Speaker 4:I'm going to ask you at the end, but you can do it now if you want. Which? Which are these two versions? Because obviously, as we'll get to, david does his own version. But would you obviously david van day live or would you obviously bobby g live? I'm going van day. I think you'd have to go van day. I think you definitely have to go van day.
Speaker 3:I won't mind if somebody's at either. I think he's done some good stuff. We'll discuss the actual sort of legal dispute at the end of the thing. Yeah, fair enough, so just to choose one to watch. I'm team Van.
Speaker 4:Dijk On the last day of the tour. I love this. How childish this is. Heidi just looks at David and David's just looking at him. He even says himself. He says it in a like, such a confrontational way he's simon jordan, isn't it?
Speaker 2:the home of confrontation.
Speaker 4:He's just like we're looking at, so she goes. I'm not looking at anything, so they have an argument. Then he goes like she apparently stamped his feet and said you've got big ears and quit I love that bit.
Speaker 3:He told her she's got big ears yeah, he goes well.
Speaker 4:He stamped his feet, said I've got big ears, and he quit. It's like unbelievable. But at this point this is brilliant because terminate, terminate two music comes back in and he's, david, saying he wants to uh, he wanted to punish them for how he, how they treat him. So they met into a calf to iron things out. Um, david wanted to pay him for the dates that he didn't even do. Obviously, bobby didn't agree and david left like 40 days or something, 40 days, he said.
Speaker 4:He said he wanted paying for him. David Van Day, obviously Bobby's not going to agree to that and David said right, I will make you pay, he's brilliant, this is Bucksvist by the way this is like. It's like they're talking about, I don't know, some sort of I don't know what it's like. It's not even like the Beatles. It's not like I like.
Speaker 3:Right, I love the reconstructed sort of footage of that where, like, the sort of determination is done and somebody spills like a cup of milk on the floor. I think it's like oh my god. But yeah, he's absolutely got it in for him now and this is where he makes the decision that he's actually going to become Bucks, fizz well, the best thing about it is.
Speaker 4:I think the voiceover says there, bucks Fizz, the original Bucks Fizz, but with Bobby G you get a new singer called Graham. You get a quick shot of Graham just looking at camera Like that's the only bit he's in it, but he goes. David had also set up a group called Bucks Fizz. He'd basically set his own group up with the exact same name but, as Trump called, he managed to get Bobby's former co-star, mike Nolan, to join him, so technically they were two original members.
Speaker 3:Although Bobby G had been in Bucks Fizz all the way through, mike Nolan was an original member and something that I think is quite important is Bobby G invited David Van Day I always want to call him Darren Day, david Van Day. He invited him into Bucks Fizz to tour as Bucks Fizz. So him into Bucks Fizz to tour as Bucks Fizz. So he is. He is Bucks Fizz, like you can't say it was never Bucks Fizz featuring Vande.
Speaker 4:Yeah but what's it like? Just to go to the Oasis example, it's obviously there in the news at the moment. If, if Andy Bell and Gem, who came to Oasis later, just said, right, we're going on tour as Oasis, it's not Oasis, is it? If Liam's not there, or Noel or whatever.
Speaker 3:Well it is. It's not the version of Oasis I would choose to see, but it is our version of Oasis, I think. If it's got any sort of what did he say, like in canon or like to? Me if it's not a tribute, if it's somebody who's been a part of the band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Beautiful South's still going, yeah.
Speaker 3:Into Five Boney M's or something yeah well, there's two UB40s.
Speaker 4:It's a very similar story to this, where I think there's UB40 and Ali Campbell's UB40. So it's a very similar situation to this. But what I'll give David here is so he's done this new one with Mike. All of a sudden he's on Generation Game. We get a clip of Jim Davidson ripping obviously ripping off one of the girls' skirt on stage. Classic, jim. You know you're not going to get away with that with this, with the woke agenda these days, would you?
Speaker 3:But he's yeah, but they've managed to get on the Generation Game and Jim Davidson's talking to him as books viz. Bobby g is nowhere to be seen. Yeah, but I think it. I don't know, people will have their their opinions on it. I think it is books phase if he, if he's got an original member or two original members and a person who has toured as books phase with bobby g, that is that. To me, that's books phase. I don't know what kind of how many hoops you have to jump through but what it does say to me, though, that is he obviously has.
Speaker 4:He obviously has better pr than um or whatever, than um bobby g, because they were good, nowhere near generation game and stuff like generation game, prime time tv with with jd at the time.
Speaker 3:I mean, he's so excited when he rips his skirt off as well.
Speaker 4:Oh, jim davidson. Yeah, he loves it, don't I? I mean it's just unbelievable. David David, not Davidson. This is my favourite bit of the entire documentary this he did a remix of Making your Mind Up and then he re-recorded and re-released all eight books for his album.
Speaker 3:Again. This is where I'm going to get you back five times as much, isn't?
Speaker 2:it. This is as much in it.
Speaker 3:It's like this is what. I'm just gonna release, a song.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna re-release every album this is the best prick move I've ever seen in music. This is re-recorded every single. They're all shit. They sound awful. They sound like he's done them in about 10 minutes. You're picking your mind up really like paul, synth sounds in the background really like cheesy in background, all eight albums and it's him holding the albums like, really, like, really cock-a-lie, such a prick move and I applaud him for it. We get a great quote here. So this is his version of book space.
Speaker 1:Um, I'll just, I'll just play the clip and although we didn't do the skirt ripping routine at that time, um, we did this 90s thing. We felt I felt we were in the boob age. We came up with this idea where the girls would rip these tops off and they'd have skimpy bras on underneath and I just thought that would be a nice thing to move it on. David's making your mind up.
Speaker 4:Rose to 84 in the charts.
Speaker 3:So that was one where I don't think the documentary necessarily takes sides. But that's absolutely a dig at van dey that oh yeah it's sort of trying to show him as like for one, he's a bit of a seedy outdated guy, and for two, look how unsuccessful he was. The best thing is it was interesting because they don't really do that anywhere else.
Speaker 4:Through this they just let the story happen. What I do like is David, but he says well, I thought you know we're in the boob era and I thought this would be a nice thing to move it on. Is his actual quote what? Getting cleavage out A nice thing to move it on. Go from skirts to cleavage, that'll be nice. Keep it going. What would have to be in today's woke agenda.
Speaker 3:society? I don't know.
Speaker 4:Oh, you wouldn't be able to do anything, would you in today's world. I dread to think what would happen to Bucks Fizz in today's world. Who knows? This is great, this bit. Bobby goes to see David Van Day's version. I hate when I say David Van Day, you're Darren Day, I'm David Van Day. Bobby went to see their version live and the music's like really sinister again. And he says he wanted to see he was worried about what david van day was doing to the books for his name. He's books for his man. Do you know what I mean? It's not like, it's like fucking. But so obviously, guess what? Bobby goes to see him and he didn't like it. He said he didn't have the harmonies, the dance routines, all the costumes the particular clip it shows.
Speaker 3:There as well, there only seem to be van day and two women on stage. I don't know if that's just a camera angle.
Speaker 4:There's a bit after where Mike's getting into his car. I think David Vande is having a go at him. Actually, Mike, he's not a big thing in the documentary. He's saying, no, we'll go this way, we'll go this way, Mike. I don't know anything about Mike Nolan, but he looks so pathetic throughout this. He's got massive hair. He's like crouched over.
Speaker 4:I was going to say, is it a wig? I don't know what it is, but he looks like the sort of guy who doesn't really know where he is and he's just constantly being told what to do by everybody.
Speaker 3:His hair looks a bit like if you're going to sort of because think how ridiculous his hair is anyway, but if you're going to caricature Father bigger, yeah, it's just like a big mop of hair, isn't it?
Speaker 4:yeah, and he's like sort of like. It just looks always a bit, oh, have I done it wrong? You know, he's got that sort of face about him. So there's two box fizzers. For nearly four years they were nearly two boxes and the dispute, uh, dragged on. Then one day, mike nolan rings heidi up I don't know why he rings heidi up and not and bobby not bobby g, he's not part of, but he is part of, bucks Fizz, but she's not an original member or anything. Again, she's wearing the trousers in this relationship. Mike rings Heidi up and says he's split with David and he wants to hand over the Bucks Fizz name to her and Mike. So they're obviously they're delighted, aren't they?
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean it shows them in their home. I just find it something a bit. There's a sadness behind his eyes, isn't there, bobby?
Speaker 2:j bobby g's?
Speaker 3:yeah, he's sort of moping about in his house. He it's. It's all or nothing in it. This book's fizz thing for him.
Speaker 4:It's like he's yeah, it's his livelihood. This is why I thought he was a songwriter until I looked into it. But should I could have understood more, that he's trying to protect this, these songs that he's wrote, or whatever, but no, so this is great, again from david van day. David's fuming that bobby hadn't rang him to ask him what he were going to do now which. Why would he? They're like mortal enemies. Do you know why? Why would he ring him? So then david forms a new group called dav Van Day's Bucks Fist Absolutely brilliant. And this is where I'll play the clip where the Terminator 2 theme in the background. This is why it's being played all the way.
Speaker 2:I think the best way to describe this is if you've ever seen Terminator 2, is that every time you think that this thing is dead, it keeps getting back up, or a bit of it gets back up. We were gutted. We thought that we were just going to have to start again, because you can't let these people get away with it.
Speaker 3:It's good. I almost wish they'd almost not told us why. It would have been funnier just to keep her in Terminator 2 music.
Speaker 4:But yeah, the pieces of the puzzle come together in that yeah, I love David Van Day's books first. So again, they have to go to court. It's incredible. David refuses to drop the name and the judge says this is why this is brilliant. The judge says there isn't much fizz left in books first, basically saying why are you arguing about?
Speaker 4:this? No, who cares? Bobby G is fuming as well. I thought I was so unprofessional. David Van Day is pissing himself, isn't he? That's what he said. He's lost all his money because of that. Absolutely like a little kid. And you see him outside court. He goes into the camera going yes, he's not one either.
Speaker 3:Like that's the bit and this is not my verdict, by the way, but but if you, if you are team bobby g, it's almost like that. What is it? Is it king herod? Or what's the thing with a baby where two mums say the baby's mine, and yeah, and the king says, well, cut it in half, then you can both have half. And the one who's not, the mum says yeah, fine, and the mum says no, no, just let her take the bit. That to me is like if you want to know who sort of loves Bucks Fizz, it's the guy offended by the judge slagging him off, not the one laughing and sort of cheering, laughing out loud basically the judge has said this is basically what he said.
Speaker 4:cares, you're wasting my time being here. You can both be Bucks fizz, he's fuming. David Van Day absolutely pissing himself. He's just sort of basically made. He's got him back. He has won On this documentary. David Van Day has beaten Bobby G.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that Bobby G let the Viper into the nest and the Viper did the damage. Terrible idea, but it's his own decisions. He got them there, bobby G, unfortunately.
Speaker 4:So as the documentary ends, he just says the two bands are continuing. But as the titles go off, this is my favourite line of the entire thing. This is David Van Day. Well, it's firstly Bobby G speaking and then David Van Day.
Speaker 2:Everybody thinks it's a joke. He has been a joke in the business all his life.
Speaker 1:It's a ridiculous statement. Was I a joke before I went into the Bucks Fizz or was it Bucks Fizz that made me a joke? Ask yourself that.
Speaker 3:Absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 4:How smug he is, so I am a joke Again. He's happy that he's a joke. All he wants to do is beat Bobby G.
Speaker 3:That is all he's bothered about. Yeah, alright, I'm a joke, but was I a joke or did Bucks Fizz make me a joke? So sort of proud of himself, isn't he?
Speaker 4:It's so, brent again, I can imagine Brent winking at you. So who's the joke now? Me still, but not you know what I mean, there's your real villain.
Speaker 3:There's your real joker.
Speaker 4:Who is the joker? Probably me, but so Unbelievable. This right. We've gone through it pretty quick. It's only a 40-minute documentary, but we're going to go to some stuff. What happened after Straight after this, nolan filed a lawsuit against Van Day for unpaid earnings and although Nolan won than won the case, he received no payout because van day declared himself bankrupt yeah, brilliant, incredible.
Speaker 3:Can't stand him for that reason cheryl baker.
Speaker 4:There's a. There's a. Um, if you put ariel's tv burp, uh, I'll not play the clips. He's too long. Um, ariel's tv burp and it's a celebrity coach trip and it's cheryl baker's on it with david. You know at the end you have to vote people out. They all vote David Van Day out like to go home. It's a chuckle, but I was going. No offence, but you know you were the last in and you have to be the first out. And someone else comes on and says you know, I don't like to do this.
Speaker 3:Then Cheryl Baker but again though, even in that moment he's like Brent and you're like looking around. Oof could be worse he's amazing, I think. If you're the judge, I suppose you've only got this documentary to judge it on. We don't have all the case evidence. But what do you think? Do you think Van Day should be able to use the name Van Day? Do you think he should be able?
Speaker 4:to use his own name. I think he should be able to use his own name. Yeah, should he be able to use his name, bucks Fizz. It all depends on the contract. I suppose if, like let's say, me, and you did Live With Me doing it, live in the main line, and it were big obviously and we were selling 50 million records like Bucks Fizz had, you would be pissed off if I I don't know teamed up with, I don't know, deb Bart of Tufty Club, you'd say we'd be Web D and we both did our Bucks Fizz-like sort of thing. You would want to be called that.
Speaker 3:You would want to be called, I think me and Webbo would decide to get you back five times over.
Speaker 4:You think you'd be doing a David Van Day? We're going to get you back five times over.
Speaker 3:I love that. His strategy as well is and I kind of get this where he comes from. He's kind of like right, I'm just going to burn everything. Then if you've scorned me, then that's it. Everything can go what is it?
Speaker 4:torch world policy? I think it's called where yeah is it?
Speaker 3:yeah, just torch earth, sorry yeah it's what?
Speaker 4:like, yeah, what hitler wanted to do at the end of the war, basically, just like, well, just fucking bomb. Everything, then don't matter, that's what he's. He's made himself bankrupt and he's coming out of court punching the air and that the lion, and that's why it's real to him he's got where he wanted.
Speaker 3:It's almost like he's just decided right, fuck you. Then this is it, everything's going and he's got what he wanted. I'm not actually sure. I was going to look into this and I've just been trying to do it now, not sure where it stands as of now. I don't believe anyone is touring as books first. Now are they no.
Speaker 4:So nolan um, along with uh cheryl baker and g? Um formed uh books for this. Again um for the 80s revival here and now tour um nolan. What does it continue with baker? And this is what I don't get so that there's some books for his? Now, yeah, nolan and cheryl baker and some other woman called?
Speaker 3:This is what I don't get so, nolan, they do a three-person Bucks Fizz now, don't they?
Speaker 4:Yeah, Nolan and Cheryl Baker and some other woman called Shelley Preston who wasn't in the original group. They formed a three-piece version of the group called the Original Bucks Fizz, and then Jay Aston came into the band, who was from the original band. There's a lot of members here so it's hard to keep up, but they are now touring as the Fizz.
Speaker 4:So they're the Fizz and Bobby G and his two other and his wife still Heidi, and two other completely new singers are called Bucks Fizz. This is where Bobby G's argument in a way falls down, because the Fizz have got three original Fizz members in Arguably, I see Cheryl Baker and original fizz members in arguably, the I see cheryl baker and jay aston are probably the biggest two out of the four. Just, it's not nice, but because of the skirt thing, that's what everyone remembers. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, um, whereas bobby g has just got three sort of unknowns and they're going as books first, where they obviously nolan baker and aston.
Speaker 3:I've just thought, well, we'll just go as the fizz, whatever but again this sort of turns me me against Bobby G, because why does he think he has more rights to that name?
Speaker 4:Why didn't he carry on with those three? I don't understand. If he's all about Bucks Fizz and the credibility of Bucks Fizz, just join that band, then you know what I mean. I don't get it.
Speaker 4:I suspect his missus said to him you're so shit, but he did come, like 2003. So just after this he competed in the rev one reality show, uh, reborn in the usa, and I have seen this clip he obviously got. It was the first act voted off and it caused controversy during the show because he accused the producer of being biased with their editing and he argued with Sonya. You know Sonya, the singer? Oh yeah, he accused her of being crafty and cunning to save her own skin and she said he was a nasty piece of work, and you can see that argument on YouTube. Piece of work. And you can see that argument on youtube. I had a quick look at it again. Too long to play, really, but it's just sonia going. I think you're a nasty piece of work. Well, what evidence have you got for that? What evidence do you have for that? It's just absolutely incredible. But then I didn't know this. He went into I'm a celebrity and finished fourth yeah, I remember seeing a minute.
Speaker 3:It was good.
Speaker 4:It was good to watch were you uh argumentative in there or Home of confrontation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's a while ago. Yeah, I don't know, I can't sort of say yeah, oh yeah, he was kicking off with everyone. I don't think he sort of Like sabotaged the camp or burnt down the forest or anything, but I think he was quite a fiery Character, I think he's. He's one of these people. I sort of feel for a bit that he's tried to stay looking young with various different well I'm speculating various different procedures and just kind of doesn't look like a real person anymore. He looks quite odd.
Speaker 4:He was a good-looking lad in his day. You've got to give him that yeah.
Speaker 3:yeah, back in the day he was, yeah, and he sort of tried to cling to that. And there's a point, isn isn't there, where you just think it just just looks wrong. You'd be better just looking old than you would looking like that.
Speaker 4:This is something I did not know about. I don't know if you do. You did in 2007, van de stud as a conservative party candidate, obviously, uh, for brighton and elf council, uh, in the east brighton ward um, he didn't win um, but in 2018 he stood for a seat on Thorough Council as a Conservative and he actually won because, well, he lost the election. Mep Tim Acker had to resign and he won the subsequent by-election, but he lost his seat to Labour in 2022 by just 20 votes. So, yeah, you know he's got into the political world. Imagine him being your fucking councillor. Well, you think that's? Uh, he got into the political world.
Speaker 3:Imagine him being your fucking counsellor well well, you think that's big news, can I can I tell you I don't know if you knew this that in 2008 it released a song with timmy mallet, who's playing croc idol, called biff baff boff didn't know that no, I presume that's off the back of the jungle, because I think timmy mallet I assume it's off the back of that, but I because I think Timmy Mallard is in the jungle.
Speaker 3:I assume it's off the back of that, but I don't remember the song, the thing I remember David Van Day for after Bucks.
Speaker 4:I don't remember him really at all, but he's one of those sort of people that I know that I don't know anything about, if you know what I mean. Until we watch this, do you remember when he dumped his girlfriend live on TV?
Speaker 1:I can shocked, but no, I'm going to play a clip of it. It's a small clip. You're on the right stuff as a guest and this is what he does brilliant, so sue, because you'll be watching this. So I've had enough. I honestly I don't know this anymore and I mean this sincerely, that I love you, but I'm not prepared to put up with this anymore, and so would I dump you now? Yes, yes, I would. You've been dumped. David Live on air on TV, celebrity dumping. What? Because I've dumped? Because her crime is to follow her dream. But it's all the time, all the time.
Speaker 3:Matthew Wright's response is funnier than what he's doing.
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 2:David.
Speaker 4:It's like. I mean to be fair. They did get back together. I've got a feeling this might have been a publicity stunt by David Van.
Speaker 2:Day yeah absolutely.
Speaker 4:But yeah, because they soon reunited and he married her in 2010 and they're still together. So fair play, fair play. So he's happily married David Van Day. What I want to ask you about this is how much is this David Van Day a character and how much is he a complete prick?
Speaker 3:I think mainly the second. I think he's one of those people who probably wouldn't care that you'd say he's a prick. He'd say, yeah, I'm a prick. Yeah, I'm not bothered, I'm going to do what I'm going to do.
Speaker 4:He might get us back if we slag him off too much. We ought to be careful, no, but I don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a fair point. It's quite good, isn't it? David van day imagine if he decides to take us down five times worse no, I actually like genuinely. This is not me changing tact because I'm worried about david van day. Yeah here in this podcast. But I actually find him quite likable in a sort of irritated sort of way, like he's. I kind of quite. He's just. He's just sort of funny. He's he's thought process. You could see him thinking almost like right, but if you're going to do that, then I'm just going to crash my car into your car Then we can both write him off.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't want to get into a feud with him because he will go to any lengths, I think. Even if he I don't know like If he had to end his own life to end yours, I think he'd definitely do it, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah with him. Yeah, kamikaze Van Dijk. Yeah, I just. I think the other sort of point to note as well, because I've not heard him perform anything at any time recently, is that what I will say is. What I will say is I presume it was too early for auto-tune and things like that. He had a fantastic voice if that was live singing back in the day. Don't start creeping up to him now. His hair is great. He wears a suit well in his pictures.
Speaker 4:Beautiful man, Great guy, Beautiful guy. He looks a bit like Trump. He does remind me a bit of Trump. I can imagine Trump being like that. We'll get him back. We'll get this man back. Yeah, look, I really, really enjoyed that. As I was watching it, I fully expected genuinely to think David Van Day is going to come across as completely unreasonable which he does, but I don't think Bobby G covers himself.
Speaker 3:He's kind of on his side. Yeah, Bobby G doesn't cover himself in glory either I don't think Well, bobby G comes across as just quite a dull man who's just become obsessed over the name Bucks Fizz. I don't think either was selling out arenas. I don't think the judge summarised it really well that the Fizz has gone out of Bucks Fizz. I don't think it really mattered and I think, yeah, I kind of like the fact that Van Day is almost like no, no, you've let me into this world, so that's it now.
Speaker 4:I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to take a piece of your pie. Well, I enjoyed that, Liam.
Speaker 3:Next right.
Speaker 4:So because we let the Major down, which we were going to do, trouble at the top, he has requested that we do because we're going to try and do a couple of Christmas episodes.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I know episodes. Sorry, I know I'm jumping in there, but we've. We quite often mention a major I don't know if he's moved to blue sky. We, we sort of know phenomenal yeah, I wouldn't say so, but we know through his phenomenal twitter account. Uh, major charles innocent. Uh, if you don't already know, I'm sure you probably do, but if you don't already know of him, go and check him out, because he's one of the most entertaining guys on social media. I would say.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, definitely, and he has asked us to do an episode. We're not going to cover it. No homework for you this week. You don't have to watch a particular episode. He's asked us to do Noel's Christmas Presents, which has ran from 1989, apparently, to 2002. And I do know this a little bit, but I don't know much about it. But I think this is where Noel Edmonds I nearly said Noel Gallagher gives Christmas presents, gives Christmas presents to, to, I believe it's to, you know, kids, poorly kids. Is that right?
Speaker 3:I think I think that's right, yeah, I mean, obviously you know my stance, stance on no I I can't stand the guy. Um, he does nice things for people, but but I think, remembering it, it's all about his ego.
Speaker 4:he's stroking his own ego so I'm just looking at the 1994 episode. It was not featuring noel edmonds and richard ashcroft out of the booth.
Speaker 3:Imagine him lagging presence out yeah, I I can't quite remember the I seem to think, and actually I think Major Charles shared something recently as well, which is he's delivering something in a sort of very sort of upbeat, positive tone and it's about sort of really ill children or something, I think. I think David.
Speaker 4:Brent says he's doing it in the office, he's doing it for, he's doing it for himself, he's doing it for them. He's not doing it all at the moment because he can't get on TV. For loving the money, loving the money, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's see. Let's see whether I'm doing a mis-service to Noel in my mind, because I, because you, hate Noel Edmonds which is why I wanted to do this, because I don't like him anyway, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's I Probably, mainly actually because there used to be a quiz machine that I used to play. I might have mentioned this before, but you have to get so many points to get to the sort of money board game. Yeah, but it's always really hard to do. You very rarely get it. But when you lose, Noel puts the points up and his face comes on screen really arrogant.
Speaker 4:I don't think that is him doing that, though, but I can imagine, how annoying that is.
Speaker 3:Yeah in my mind he's sort of doing that when you punched him that cardboard cutout or was it someone else though? Yeah, but I only saw him yeah it was a genuine rage yeah.
Speaker 4:Imagine that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because like obviously Thought it was him and couldn't contain it.
Speaker 4:On these deal-or-no-deal like sort of games.
Speaker 3:I can't stand him on that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a cardboard cutout of Noel. I thought it was. You Give him a little slap for his troubles on the way out, but he's fine because it weren't the real Noel, it was a cardboard cutout.
Speaker 3:It wasn't the real weasel, it was a raccoon man actually, I like Noel Edmonds.
Speaker 4:I don't think I'd ever want to go for a drink with him, but he completely turned me around on I'm a Celebrity. When he came in, like he were in a crown and a robe and he was carried into the jungle.
Speaker 3:His ego is ridiculous, I think to me he got voted out first week.
Speaker 4:I hate that though I don't watch it at all anymore, but I'm a Celebrity. I hate it how they voted out the. Oh, I don't like him. I'm going to vote him out. Yeah, get rid of him that makes it exciting, the one who's interesting to watch. Yeah, we've got three boring bastards left.
Speaker 3:Go on. I think the way you feel about Schofield is how I feel about.
Speaker 4:Edmonds, that is hate, then, true hate. Nothing against Noel. You know he got accused of killing a man, didn't he? But I don't think that was.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I might even end up editing this out, but I think because we used to play the Christmas game with my dad and I used to get really wound up with Edmonds. My dad didn't like him either. And there were ones like Listings or the U-Tree thing, oh no. And they read out some names and my dad turned to me deadly serious and said oh, still no Edmonds.
Speaker 4:Oh no. Do you know what, though I think he's fine in that bit? Well, it's not fine, obviously. But if you hate a celebrity that much, like you see all the, have you ever heard of a website called Tatlcom, tatl Live? I can't tell you anything about it. It's a horrible website. It's like, basically, people just put in celebrity Like gossip. Yeah, it's gossip, and they'll just say, oh, I've seen what she's put on her Instagram today. What a bitch. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Stuff like that.
Speaker 4:But they hate these people to the point where, if they got done for some major crime, I genuinely think when Schofield were getting done, it was like fucking Dead Poets Society.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he's one of them, noel, even as I'm saying it.
Speaker 4:We're all right here because I like Noel, so we're all right, I think I would do the right thing. But if he's sort of dangling off a cliff and I saw him- Incredible just because he beat you in a game An AI version of him.
Speaker 3:No, but I think, even as I'm thinking about it, I think I probably would help him.
Speaker 4:I'd be really disappointed in you if you let no one go to his death. Just because on a quiz machine his face came up.
Speaker 3:I'd love to get a printout of that image, that his face when it came up, and just put that over the cliff, like instead of a hand coming down to grab hold of him.
Speaker 4:I should probably say coming down to grab hold of him, I should probably say. By the way, it didn't actually kill a man. Someone died on one of his shows. I think it was God, whatever it was called the Breakfast Show Tonight, or whatever it was called yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was sort of laughing at stuff. That is true, isn't?
Speaker 4:it, yeah, but you can't blame him for that can you?
Speaker 3:I was worried.
Speaker 4:So there were a lot of these things about I don't know. He had to jump off a building or whatever I can't remember exactly what it were and they were all dodgy. You know they didn't do it right and he died. So they had to cancel the Noel Edmonds show or whatever it was called. Well, I'll get the facts for next week. Yeah, we'll do it. You know, like they do in Daily Mail, like a really small apology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really short to start.
Speaker 4:It's brilliant that Everything we said about Noel Evans was a lie. It's brilliant that, because the headline will be Noel killer and it'll be like Noel Evans killed a man today and then like there'll be a little thing the week after your paper. Last week we said Noel Edmund killed someone. This was not true. Sorry for Noel. That's it. That's it, that's it go.
Speaker 3:Go right, anyway, that is anyway looking forward to that. Let's see. Let's see if Noel can turn us around. Imagine that that would be a nice Christmas Christmas spirit if Noel could turn me around and I watch it and I think actually he's a great guy great, great guy Cheers Bucks first.
Speaker 4:Thank you for that, leroy Jenkins, and I will see you for the big Noel extravaganza.
Speaker 3:He's a great raccoon, beautiful raccoon. If anyone wants to get in touch with us, send us anything. Find us on Twitter at livingwithmade1. Or you can send us an email at livingwithmadely at outlookcom. Living with Madeleine.