Living With Madeley
"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
Living With Madeley
Series 8 Episode 11 - Cooking at Christmas
Have you ever wondered how a single television chef could simultaneously terrify and captivate a generation of holiday cooks? Join us on a festive adventure as we navigate the eccentric world of Fanny Craddock, the trailblazing TV chef whose culinary antics left an indelible mark on Christmas kitchens everywhere. From her aggressive demeanor to her notorious vendetta against the humble mince pie, Fanny Craddock's career was nothing short of a rollercoaster—full of humor, nostalgia, and a fair bit of culinary chaos.
We also explore the broader landscape of celebrity chefs who have influenced our holiday feasts. Remember when Delia Smith's goose fat suggestion emptied supermarket shelves? Or when Jamie Oliver made us believe we could all whip up a gourmet meal with ease? We'll dissect these moments and more, including a lively discussion on Heston Blumenthal's extravagant dishes and Nigella Lawson's charismatic presentation style. Our personal anecdotes add a sprinkle of personality, as we recall our own kitchen mishaps and the occasionally questionable holiday recipe choices.
To wrap up, we take a lighthearted look at the comedy of Christmas cooking disasters and share laughs over the peculiarities of British holiday traditions. Whether it's reminiscing about Dave and Denise's chaotic attempts at festive meals or pondering the universal appeal of Irish comedy, our conversation is a delightful medley of culinary insights and comedic reflections. Perfect for those who love a side of humour with their holiday cheer, this episode offers a warm and entertaining exploration of cooking's star-studded past and present.
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the podcast Living with Maydaly. This is series eight and it's episode 11. I think I'm right in saying I am one of the hosts. I am Liam and the other host is Andrew Van Haag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, changed my name by default to Andrew Van Haag after we were talking last week. I haven't really obviously, but I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2:It would be cooler though?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would be cooler Christmas cooking at Christmas.
Speaker 2:I don't want to call it that cooking at Christmas. I mean it's sort of centrally themed around Fanny Craddock and what Angest does to have a look at. Yeah big shout out, we're going to do some free and easy Christmas TV chat, aren't we Christmas?
Speaker 1:cooking chat. Yeah, christmas cooking chat, yeah, but we're going to start with Fanny Craddock. Massive shout out to Angier, because I have to admit on here, because I, I have to admit, because I don't watch cook shows.
Speaker 2:I don't really, I'm not you don't watch films.
Speaker 1:You don't watch christmas cooking show. No, he spies that cookbook and he said, hey, that'd be no use to me. Uh, yeah, so I'm not into my cooking shows and I thought I don't really know what. He's. Brilliant fan of cruddy. I don't know if you've managed to watch any episodes of it, or I have.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I've watched as much as you, but I have seen a few of them. Yeah, I think she advised the mincemeat episode was a key, key one to watch as part of the strategy.
Speaker 1:But well, I've seen um a few others. I was wondering if you were the first tv chef on tv. But um tv chef on tv um but she weren't fanocratic appeared in 1955, but the world's first ever televised cook show was programmed on the bbc um on the 21st of january 1937. Wow, imagine that it was called cook's night out and it was a french cook, mary berry, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, probably yeah, I like mary berry yeah, my mom.
Speaker 1:Actually I was talking to her. She's already doing mary berry. She's been on tv ages. Uh, yeah, could mention her. We've mentioned her, so that's it yeah, it was the French cook, marcel Bullestine, who were born in 1878, so and it was 15 minutes long, each one doing a recipe, and BBC had only been on air at three months at that point. So I'm wondering outside of news is this the biggest, like the longest running genre in history of TV?
Speaker 2:I think probably last to some of mine was before that wasn't it? Maybe, yeah, Rolling Down His Hill in 1922 or whatever it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that might have been on a little bit before Cook's Night Out. Yeah, but Fanny Craddock. We'll start with Fanny Craddock. She first appeared, like I said, in 1955. She appeared in 24 television series between 1955 and 1975.
Speaker 2:Do you know much about her? No, it's kind of, obviously, because her name's funny, so I used as a, as a sort of funny thing, isn't it? But yeah, I thought she was a bit of a uh, how can I word it? Like a bit of a disaster, like I thought, oh, like a joke. Yeah, almost like. Oh, she got everything wrong, like it, but it's not. People will say now with absolute seriousness oh, no, no, no, it's complex.
Speaker 1:I'll just talk before I'll sort of go backwards. Yeah, a downfall, do you know how? She because she were like literally a mainstay on tv all the way through like, yeah, I said for what? Uh, 20 years straight through. A downfall came in 1976 when the winner of a cooking competition called gwent try, okay, anyway. Well, so I think that's how you pronounce it we're selected for a bbc series called the big time and that that show was about talented amateurs who were given an opportunity to take part in professional events. I think we have it now, don't? We don't, don't ramsey do stuff like that, where they get amateur chefs or whatever, and he'll say there's a lot of stuff like that yeah, quite the same, but yeah there's Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Craddock, along with three other chefs, were brought in to advise this amateur and basically Craddock just all the way through it, as she was eating her food, she twice pretended to throw up in her mouth and just basically berated every single dish she made. And the Daily Telegraph said not since the 1940s has the people of Britain ever risen in such unified wrath because people were that disgusted. So I thought, fucking hell, I've got to watch this. So it's on YouTube. It's so tame by today, when you've got Gordon Ramsay going, fuck you, you fucking bastard, you fucking idiot, and you've got Greg Wallace doing his thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, doing what yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, gino flashing, which I sort of condoned last week by accident, but yeah, but it's so. She like, I mean she were alright, she were, and look, she was like sort of going, oh oh right, really over the top, you know the stuff. She actually wrote a letter of apology after, but the BBC terminated the contract two weeks after the broadcast and she'd never present a cookery show again. She died penniless in 1994 and barely anyone turned up to her funeral.
Speaker 2:so, merry, Christmas to everyone. I mean to be fair, though, like from what I've seen, she's absolute no nonsense, isn't she? I don't know which?
Speaker 1:one. Do you see in me, another one who looks like Warnock. A lot of people look like Warnock.
Speaker 2:Well, the funny thing for me as well and this, by the way, this is only a brief fleeting moment, I'm not saying that I thought this whilst I was watching the whole thing but on the mincemeat episode, I'm not very good with colours, obviously I'm not completely colourblind, but I see colours a bit funny and I think I've got like a blue light filter on my phone so it's not kind of quite so jarring. But anyway, when I first watched the video, the mincemeat one for a second I thought she'd got like big, massive grey patches on the side of her head, you know, like Paulie Walnut, yeah, which she's got styled into.
Speaker 1:I see we've got this right now, fucking hell.
Speaker 2:But yeah, obviously they're not the big bows tied in her hair. She's not the big bow standing there, but she's quite a sort of striking woman to look at, isn't she?
Speaker 1:Well, the one that we watch is the only one that survived, actually, of all the TV shows, so the only one that survived the TV archives and it's Fanny Craddock Cooks for Christmas. It's been repeated in recent years and I watch four episodes from it. I just what a character. I mean, I'd say I don't watch any cooking shows, but I were all fascinated by this and all scared. She has the worst demeanor of any TV presenter I've ever come across. She's like she starts and she'll be like putting something on a tree. She'll be like all right, yeah, putting this on a tree. Obviously, she talks a lot posher than that.
Speaker 2:We do this. I mean, she's got that assistant that she keeps saying right she's brilliant. Yeah, take that away she clicks.
Speaker 1:It's brilliant, clicks like you're like million dollar man when he's trying to get virgil's attention. Like she clicks like that. This sarah she's called, never speaks in it and I thought, well, that's just because fanny wanted the the limelight. But in those days the bbc apparently if you spoke on the bbc they had to pay you. So they made this woman just come in. Look, they showed she was clicking like a fingers. The whole setup is just so odd. By today I think I was off. It's honestly fascinating to watch and I have to admit, like I said, when andrew asked us to do it, I thought I don't really understand why she's asked us to do this. But it's a fantastic piece of television, even if you only watch one. It's only 15 minutes. I can't believe how quick she does stuff. It's like all in one take. So there's none of this like you know, like where I don't know. Ainsley will say, oh hey, right up next I'm gonna be doing this, but how about? Do you know what I mean? And then it'll cut back to him. This is all.
Speaker 2:One take, one shot the best thing that ainsley does. By the way, I absolutely love it, as he keeps telling people to look at ainsley. Look what ainsley's doing look what ainsley's doing.
Speaker 1:I don't know why he's doing that accent. Yeah, look what ainsley's doing.
Speaker 2:Ainsley look at Ainsley. Look at.
Speaker 1:Ainsley. Look at Ainsley. Yeah, another thing is like how much shit she puts in things. So, on the mincemeat episode, I'm not even joking here. I think she I don't know, I'm no good with numbers, but I think she puts about 100 pounds of her sugar on her mincemeat omelette.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the amount of icing sugar. And she and she does them like little mini wraps as well and just smothers them in icing sugar.
Speaker 1:I I've never seen that done before. I've never seen a mincemeat omelette cared about sort of calories and stuff, weren't it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I've never heard of a mincemeat I've never heard of a mincemeat, and she said well, it's one of those things at christmas that gets overlooked because you have mince pies, one, one, one, uh, you know one bite and it's gone. But no, no, not with this. It's massive.
Speaker 2:I think, like Vandero, she holds a grudge, doesn't she? Because she's got it in for mince pies.
Speaker 1:She seems really aggressive with Mia about people having mince.
Speaker 2:And there's another one I don't know if you've watched where she's carving up a turkey.
Speaker 1:Is it a duck?
Speaker 2:It might be a duck, I'm not but slug off the male in the family. But this is where pa messes about doing his thing, and look how easy it is, look, look and compare this to what pa would be doing. She's like furious with pa who's at some point tried to carve a bird in front of herself as a feminist and a husband.
Speaker 1:I think we're called johnny. I've not really seen any evidence of this, but there's a lot of like people talking that she absolutely like just had a go at him. There's like loads of people who said they saw him in street and she was just like berating him in street and stuff. By all accounts, and look, I don't, I'm the first time I've really come across fanny cradock, but one of those people anyway, you've heard the name but you don't really know anything about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she's kind of like I don't know if you can use this phrase these days, but it's kind of almost like epitomizes, like the term like battle axe.
Speaker 1:She's like a yeah, yeah, like an old sort of she reminds me of like, almost like a coronation street character.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, but it'd be like a head teacher in Grange Hill or something like yeah, everyone's scared of her. No nonsense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come here boy Honestly, because I mean, look, I'm not having to go at her looks in terms of attractiveness, but just the obviously she paints her eyebrows on the top of her head. She, just she looks odd, she looks I don't know. It's genuinely quite scary, I think, to watch, if you, because she's so aggressive?
Speaker 2:I mean, we know Brad Pitt's. Yeah, I mean, you'll see, not yet. Well, no need for that mate.
Speaker 1:I once got compared to Phil Mitchell, you know so Well, yeah, I suppose. So, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, her hair is so high back on her head and she's got these eyebrows drawn just like halfway on her forehead and they're not together, like so what was? The only thing I can think is like maybe I'm overthinking this, but you know, like on stage where they have to really overdo the makeup to make it seem, was it like sort of the early day, because there's no backdrop or anything, is it? It's just a plain. It's quite jarring actually, her dress against the backdrop.
Speaker 1:Well, there's loads of comments where it's like, especially from Americans who said, because she's got a really deep voice, as well said I, because she's got a really deep voice as well. So I genuinely thought this until about five minutes in, I thought this were a woman in drag doing it like a a joke thing. Yeah, a man in drag, sorry, yeah, uh, doing like a woman in drag.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't see every day. I know, yeah, it's like bloody one of those women in drag. She's dressed up like a woman again no, but people, and I can get it because she's got a really deep voice and she looks like. I say it's not a look where she's got a broad shoulder as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would be quite an intimidating character.
Speaker 1:I'm terrified of her, and do you notice how many times she says, in all the episodes as well it's all in the booklet, it's all in the booklet, and that booklet was something you'd be able to buy, obviously. Now he's gone live you she'd say it's all online. But that was a fanny credit booklet and, by all accounts, most households had this fanny credit booklet because she was the main, the go-to. But she doesn't hold a great legacy today for her cooking skills.
Speaker 2:A lot of food actually looks really poor. It's difficult to judge. It's a different time, but I mean she's holding herself up as this great home cook, but a lot of it doesn't look visually very good. But maybe, maybe in this time it was.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's loads of good stuff where little things that you won't get away with now, where she hasn't got any. She hasn't got a sink in her kitchen, so she's got like a bucket of water underneath and that's how she washes her hands, like she just puts, puts her hand in the water, that's it. That's like washed her hands then she's back to the next thing.
Speaker 2:Frilly sleeves on and yeah, yeah, yeah, no gloves, no, no gloves or anything like that straight in like hands in.
Speaker 1:And then and there's another one where she says something like she's got some like shears and she's don't worry, they've been sterilized. And about a minute later I thought does that mean she's been using them like for a garden as well? Is that what she means?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I presume so yeah. Yeah, rather than saying don't worry, these are kitchen shears. Yeah, that must have been what she meant Don't worry, I've wiped the bits of flowers and cow manure off Dirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fascinating character. She's not well held in regard by other cooks and, like I say, there's a there were documentary about your, you like a julia davis, um, who were on 99. I've not watched it yet but I've watched it safe. So, again, really do appreciate it for man, because I've gone down like a little bit of a fanny rabbit hole, um, and I've like sort of really I've been watching interviews with her. She's an absolute. She got married four times. In two of those um marriages which should have, she lied that she got divorced. So she got married. Uh, what's the word? I can't remember the word. There's a word for it, um, but yeah, so you know.
Speaker 2:And then, apparently, like she, was a genuine yeah, I think I think that's right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then she, um, and like I say there's loads of complaints about her, and then she ruined her own tv career in the end by being you know. And then, like I say, really sad that she died penniless and apparently no one went to a funeral I mean there are some sort of older stuff there are.
Speaker 2:There are some videos from the 60s on youtube as well I think, sorry.
Speaker 1:This is the only series, though, that survived right, they're just like one off yeah, yeah, yeah yeah right um.
Speaker 2:So which ones have you watched? Thanks, I watched um I watched one to four all right, okay, and are you going to stick with them? Are you recommending the rest of them?
Speaker 1:yeah, because I mean, for a start, every episode she puts a bit more on the christmas tree, um, and I want to see what that christmas tree looks like at the end. So, yeah, well, but there's lots of people I say, look, look at the comments and stuff. So we're fascinated by it. People are all saying, like, watch this every christmas when we have a right laugh. I think goggle box did it, goggle box did a where they're watching it like as they're thinking, oh my god, look what she's doing. Now you know stuff like that I almost feel sorry, for it's a different age and it's all right, it's easy and it's a lot. Back and laugh and everyone does it. You know saying, oh well, the words that they used then are the things that they did. This is proper history.
Speaker 1:This is a woman born in the 1800s, cooking in a way that you will never see again on tv yeah, and a pioneer for, for what's become, like you say, a massive industry, as well, I don't know if you want a good segue here to someone you might want to talk about, about christmas thing, but delia smith says you were a huge um inspiration, because basically she classes off as a massive feminist and you know, a woman being on tv having her own show at that point wasn't heard of really, so delia smith took a lot of inspiration from her well, yeah, I mean, if we're sort of moving on now from the fanny craddock stuff into the more free and easy chat yeah, yeah, we've got to mention dealer at christmas um, I mean, it's a weird one, because you don't not only do you not cook anything, but you don't show any interest in cooking anything either, do you I?
Speaker 2:I cook, boy, I cooked. What did I cook today? Uh, I could put pizza in the oven, or yeah, probably someone like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean, like I say, I don't watch any of these. Anyway, these, these cookies I'm not really that bothered about it.
Speaker 2:Do you remember the sort of impact of Delia?
Speaker 1:Well, the fact that I know I mean, do you know she's included in the English dictionary Adelia doing Adelia or Adelia dish is talking about, you know, doing a recipe in the style of Delia Smith, which is mad. That's in the dictionary like doing a Delia. Yeah, doing a Delia.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't know that, but I'm not sure if it when I first started at Sainsbury's so I think I was 17, 16 or 17, but it was that year when sort of her special came on TV. Do you remember the impact it had? It might have been the year before you started, I'm not sure, but it was absolutely crazy. So in sainsbury's everything she'd used on tv just sold out instantly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well that, yeah, there's loads of. That's happened three or four times in her career.
Speaker 2:That was the first time I I remember being aware of that and the particular one was goose fat. So she did roasted potatoes and goose fat. I remember people coming in saying absolutely furious that they couldn't buy goose fat. And I remember people coming in saying he was absolutely furious that they couldn't buy goose fat and it was like yeah, well, yeah, but last year we probably only sold 100 jars, so that's what they've ordered this year, and this year a thousand people are asking for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, an acceptable dealer said I should use goose fat yeah, well, just harking back to fanny craddock a bit, she did. You know that she had, um, she was actually just because you know that she had. She was actually Just because you mentioned pizza. She was apparently the first woman on TV To introduce pizza to the general public. So she's had a massive impact In my life because it's the only thing that I couldn't realise.
Speaker 2:So actually yeah, she's your go to chef.
Speaker 1:Also credit for creating Prawn cocktail. Can that be true? That's what it says, that's well, bookipedia says it, so you know, take it with them, but that's what it says. Just is credited with, um yeah, with the creating the dish prawn cocktail.
Speaker 2:Well, this is something that sort of lends itself quite nicely and something that I want to talk about christmas tv, which is and again, you you probably don't know this, so I'm speaking to the listener more than yourself but what I love every year is obviously all these TV chefs all get their own special and they have to reinvent something every year as to what it's going to be.
Speaker 1:I know what you mean because I watch cookery shows every morning, because it's just the only thing on on a Saturday morning.
Speaker 2:It's nice and easy watching a cooking show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everyone has it on saturday morning. Whatever you're getting ready, um, and you have what's his name? I always forget his name. It's saturday kitchen. Whatever it's called, yeah, whatever it's this, yeah, whatever, and um, and they're all fucking doing the cooking and I think how many fucking.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, saturday kitchen. Yeah, james martin, but now that's um, I can't remember the other guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's mad because I just have it on in background. I'll probably. It's like him off Sky TV that we're going to get onto in a later episode Dave Jones, he's one of those people I've seen loads of times. I've watched Saturday Kitchen probably every Saturday. I don't know anything about it, I don't know who presents it or anything, but yeah, and I always think like how is this still on? There's about 50 cooking shows on at the same time. It's great background.
Speaker 2:TV, though, isn't it? I know if we've been away for a weekend or whatever and you're getting ready in the morning to go out. It's such easy TV to put on in the background. Nobody's really watching it, but everyone's off watching it Everyone's sort of nodding along when they say and what I'm going to do? I'm going to fry the black pudding, everyone's sort of just. I'm just going to fry that.
Speaker 2:Nobody's really watching. Yeah, yeah, just on, everybody putting their own spin on things. I did it, I did it on my other, did it on the other machine Technical error here, but let me let me do a live search for what I found earlier, cause it made me laugh.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think, like you're saying, though, though, like, um, everyone, like I don't know how it's going to be, on this christmas I'd, in all the channels put together, like in sky and everything, there must be at least 20, 25 shows that are going to be about christmas dinners yeah, well, I haven't got it up in front of me, I can't.
Speaker 2:We're not going to pause for me to go and get my other screen. But what I found really funny was so there was different chef's recipes for sprouts and it was like I don't know, I'm speculating who did what, but it's something like gordon ramsay sprouts with bacon. And then there was somebody jamie oliver's sprouts with bacon and pecan nuts, and then there was somebody's sprouts with uh, pomegranate seeds that seems to be a thing. And then the one that made me laugh right at the end and it was a bbc good food one was burnt sprouts with pomegranate seeds, because it's exactly the same, basically just burn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just burn them like we've got to put our own spin on it. What we're going to do, why is finding mad in?
Speaker 1:supermarkets where a little uh celebrity thing. Here when I work at sainsbury's I would wilkinson the uh former yeah, the former um chef.
Speaker 1:He went to manage a leads manager. He wants to go to because where's your pizzas? And I said, oh, they're just over here. And he goes oh, why do you have to have so many pizzas? I just want a pizza, because I have to go through all these like there's 100 pieces here. I just want a pizza. And I sort of get what he means when you go like shopping or whatever, and there's like a thousand of the same things, especially christmas like strip, I know, yeah, one box of cookies one pizza, one bit of butter.
Speaker 1:It'd be amazing for me if he was really indecisive, right? Because even when I'm picking a sandwich, I'm like oh, oh, oh, I'm like a proper existential crisis.
Speaker 2:You can't have too much choice. Well, I've got an app now. If he's not bothered what the pizza is, just go and grab any pizza then.
Speaker 1:It was genuine, it wasn't like being horrid. He just went oh, as if, like I've got to go through all this now I've got too much choice. Ready meals there's about like five dumpling ready meals, like dumpling with gravy, dumpling with mincemeat, dumpling Fucking. Just give me one.
Speaker 2:I don't need them all. It's mind the quickest fire anyone's ever said dumpling on a podcast like three in a row?
Speaker 1:I reckon that's never been done before that dixon's dumpling, dumpling, dumplings. Um, but yeah, yeah, everyone just try and reinvent the dish, don't like?
Speaker 2:but yeah, but so so dearly, was great bit before my time um did you know?
Speaker 1:she baked the cake on the sleeve of the rolling stones as chart topping album. Let it bleed. I had no idea about that. It was cool even back in the day, 1969. That's crazy, isn't it? How did that come about? I had no idea, because I've not done any bigger research.
Speaker 2:That seems like a very sort of urban myth to me that it's true, well, again, wikipedia.
Speaker 1:That's never lied to us um. It's on wikipedia to be honest. I don't know if I did get that from wikipedia, but I mean, I print the myth even if it isn't true, but I think it is true and she's um. She's sold 14 million bucks as of 2002. That was what a terrible start.
Speaker 2:That is as of 20 years 22 years ago she sold 14 million books.
Speaker 1:We have no idea what she's sold since that's all I got, because I looked at the thing and it said 2002 and I thought that'll do me.
Speaker 2:It's a bit of a cliffhanger, isn't it? We'll have to look into that. Did she stop then? Has she not sold a book since she's?
Speaker 1:not doing celebrity cooking anymore, but she's still doing recipes, apparently.
Speaker 2:Can't be on celebrity cooking for love. No money Love no money.
Speaker 1:no, obviously, I remember more for the let's be having you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's be. I've always liked Delia. Look, I'm going to judge all these.
Speaker 2:Nothing on the cooking skills but on, I've got nothing against Dele at all. So I think for me and there's more obscure ones that obviously you're not going to know. So I'm going to sort of throw some mainstream ones at you and see where you rank them, but I think Dele is top of the tree for me Really.
Speaker 1:I'm really surprised by that.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a bit of a caveat, because my kind of go-to one would be, because when I was getting into cooking, fair play to Jamie Oliver with his cheeky, chappy smile made it sort of quite accessible.
Speaker 1:I just honestly. Then I honestly thought you said Neil Oliver. Well, I know you said Jamie Oliver and Neil Oliver pops in my head and I thought what's he talking about? It's cheeky, cheeky. Well, what the government don't want you to do, imagine shit he'd be putting in the dull taste of sprouts, a metaphor for a sour taste of the environment.
Speaker 2:It'd be unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Are you just on that, by the way? You team Oliver or team Ramsey Because they had a feud, didn't they?
Speaker 2:I think it's all behind them now, oh is it? Are they all right now?
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, I mean, harry Rhodes has a pop at them all, doesn't he? He's always in background having a pop, no longer with us. Is he dead? Yeah, he died quite a long time ago. Yeah, well, I was getting mixed up with Nigel Kennedy, anyway, but anyway, I don't even know who Nigel Kennedy is. You've said this on four separate pods that you don't know who. Nigel Kennedy is yeah, he's the violinist.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah. You put him up against Vanessa May, don't you sometimes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you honestly, it's incredible how much you forget Nigel Kennedy yeah, I'm just just checking now actually live research died 2019 in Dubai and.
Speaker 1:I had no idea to be honest, but shame but you sound like having a pop at people? Yeah, anyway, but these are going to get mentioned.
Speaker 2:So so straight away, there we've got, we've got two to go at Oliver and Ramsey. What, what's your, what's your outsider views on them?
Speaker 1:Ramsay's, the more entertaining If they were on Christmas Day. Oliver's, you know, oliver's cheeky chappy, or I might put a bit. I don't know anything about cooking, so these are probably doesn't happen at all.
Speaker 1:But what you want to do here, mate, is get your veg, chop it up as quick as you can, lob it in there and then they just have to wait a bit and just jush it and bosh it and bosh it, whereas Ramsay would be like I don't know, get your fucking pudding in this fucking oven now you prick, but Ramsay's obviously more chef-y, and this is sort of the thing with some of these shows you were with Marco Pierre White, weren't you? Am I right? Yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, his. This, to me, is where some of the fancier ones go wrong, and this is why I'm ranking oliver very high, because they're things you would cook and they're things you would buy. I think the problem is with the more chefy ones. Ramsey not so much, but you know um heston blumenthal. Have you seen any sort of fancy stuff? No, no. Well, obviously he's become famous by doing like, and he's moved on since now, but it but like snail porridge and all sort of weird and wonderful.
Speaker 1:He's not a vegan, is he? But he's like vegetarian dishes and stuff, he does. I think no, no, no, is he?
Speaker 2:not no, he's like really fancy showpieces.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Like there's one we have to have the headphones with. That is.
Speaker 1:That's just not accessible, is it so he has to dumb down what is his specialty imagine you bringing the girl back to your house what you got, what you got cooking for me. Put these earphones on what?
Speaker 2:yeah, seagulls and yeah yeah, but that's precisely my point. It's like he's famous for showy, restaurant-y sort of stuff, so it doesn't really translate into doing your Christmas dinner, does it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is where Oliver and Delia, straight to the basics, do something you would cook. I mean, I remember first year, first Christmas, I was with Jodie and we stayed at her mum's and she sort of did the dinner.
Speaker 1:We tend to split it now, I thought you were going to say it and it were fucking awful. I had to throw it in bin.
Speaker 2:No, no it was nice, but what she'd done is she'd taken all these different recipes so like the carrots were like honeyed lemon carrots give me some bloody carrots, parsnips were like cinnamon parsnips.
Speaker 1:Yeah, too much going on. Marmalade sprout, yeah, just everything was like fucking mad flavour. All this just like the spices around the world, like mads and going Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2:But this is where they all fall down to me, all these Christmas cooking shows, because the problem is they all want to get paid, they all want to find something new. But actually, just show us Delia, just show us Delia doing this Show us, delia.
Speaker 1:She puts a pudding in the oven. She might put some onions in there, and that's enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't like onions.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't. You actually once said that people who like onions are weak. I can't remember what you said.
Speaker 2:Basically, you said, just accepting that you didn't like a particular food, you started having to go with the people who like onions. I remember that happening once, really, yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe it. I don't remember it. I I have a huge problem with onions. I think they're a horrible texture taste. You, jody, not having those.
Speaker 1:There's no onions you put in this christmas then she eats onions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just just. I don't I either pick it out like a child or I, because I do quite a lot of cooking. I just cook it without the onion. I do that with mushrooms in my piece you don't like mushrooms. But I, I like mushrooms, but yeah. So when I do like a chili or a I don't know bolognese or something, I don't put onion in, because I don't like you, I don't put you should do a cooking show that actually that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:Cooking with living with madeleine. It's you showing me how to do different dishes and stuff and me just saying can I just put the pizza in?
Speaker 2:we could do that too. Yeah, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's further down the line.
Speaker 2:Tell me your thoughts on nigella lawson at christmas liam I was trying to find some examples of her because, like innuendo or double entendre, like they're supposed to be, like slips of the she said she didn't mean to do it actually wouldn't she, but yeah, yeah, she said she's not talented enough to, because I looked at it.
Speaker 1:Because, again, I don't watch them. So to me, if you said well, what's nigella like? Oh yeah, put this in here, baby, when I'm watching a bit of her. She doesn't really do anything, she just says. So what I'm gonna do here is put this Gary Rhodes actually I've got a quote from him. He said that viewers were more attracted to her smile than her cooking.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think she's decent enough, but a lot of what she does.
Speaker 1:She's not a trained chef, it's implied innuendo.
Speaker 2:So actually she'll just say and at this time I like to baste the bird and then kind of glance to camera, like as if, like oof, like what's she?
Speaker 1:getting at, but that's not an innuendo. I know what you mean. No, I know, yeah, yeah, just I shall say like, and what we do now is pour water on the salt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all sort of like. I mean some of it kind of is it's like?
Speaker 1:pour the water on the salt salt.
Speaker 2:Imagine that like anyway, a lot of it is like um, oh, and I, I love that now, as the juices start to flow, like it's, like there are some give it to ronald ramsey.
Speaker 1:We're saying it, or, ainsley, you won't be if ainsley win, yeah boy look at ainsley making the juices flow oh, and then doing his sing songs yeah man, yeah, um, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I didn't know that her dad was the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, which is one of my favourite ever terms in politics, by the way. The Chancellor of the Exchequer is a phenomenal term.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is the Exchequer, the Exchequer? I don't know. I don't want to know what the Exchequer is. I'm the Chancellor. What of the exchequer, the exchequer, the Chancellor? It's a brilliant thing to use as well in real life. If you I mean I think Partridge would use it as something he says. But if you say, oh, come on, you're not the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It's a real thing yeah.
Speaker 2:Imagine him in Parliament doing all like that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that'd be amazing. Well, to be honest, she attracted publicity in 1989. She's a Labour voter and she yeah, she criticised Margaret Thatcher in print when he was the Chancellor of the Exchequer in her government, right.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean Nigella, as I mentioned, because good TV it's one of them, isn't it? I don't know if it's still a shock, because the problem I have now is that when I first found out her age, somebody said something like did you know she's 50? And I thought, wow, I would never have guessed that. But now, because I've got this sort of thing in my head, that she's older than she looks, I think she must be about 60, and then someone said she's 25.
Speaker 1:She's never aged. You know, she in your yeah um, you know she conceived the idea right in the first cookbook, because she went to a dinner party and the host was in tears because of an unset creme caramel. So um, and she also did it, uh, declined an obe and she said I'm not saving lives, I'm just doing, um, I'm not doing anything other than something I absolutely love. So, did she say when?
Speaker 2:I set crap. I always make it hard.
Speaker 1:Oh, and everyone went oh, she's done it again because I I think I might probably see more of people doing impressions of nigella lawson than actual nigella lawson. So I was grossly disappointed when when I put it wrong. Yeah, I'm just putting turkey in over now. Put it on it on gas for about five. There we go, that's it. Cook it until it's hot, yeah, and then you get really disappointed. Who else you got familiar?
Speaker 2:with. I've got one that I despise, the man. You might not know him, nigel Slater. You ever come across Nigel Slater? I?
Speaker 1:don't think I know. Nigel Slater, are you honest? No, I don't know. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at him now. So Jodie watches loads of cooking stuff and I've seen it all. I've seen everything.
Speaker 1:How comes you're I dare say you're a better cook than her if you don't watch all these shows? Because you're a man? Or is it just because you follow Delia's recipes? A little from column a, a little from column b? No, I think it's just a natural flare. I think, what natural flare? You can't say that about yourself.
Speaker 2:I've got natural flare I think people get stuck on like oh, yeah, but. But the recipe says this I think yeah, but we haven't quite got enough for that, so I'm going to do a little bit more of it. Things like yeah, but the oven's not preheated for 10 minutes. It don't mean to it's fine it's just getting hotter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it annoys me when people say things like oh god, I've had the oven on the wrong temperature. It should have been 180. I've had it at 170. Well, yeah, but but that other oven in next doors won't be the same temperature on that dial that dial's not exact I have problems with that with microwaves. But yeah, oh yeah, that's it Like one minute on your microwave. Mine, I'm genuinely at a book.
Speaker 1:Honestly at a book. Microwave meals for one like a cooking, but what?
Speaker 2:Put it in, press the button, that's it.
Speaker 1:It's fucking. I mean I've got I don't like to talk about it, but I've got dyspraxia. Obviously Even I can do that. Well, I do struggle sometimes, you know, when you have to put the knife in the top of the, you know, to create holes in it. Sometimes I can be a bit heavy handed with that. Well, actually, I've got a thing actually, just on that. Just break it off to this. Ten reasons why.
Speaker 2:What I love that like we're talking about cooking a full sort of Christmas dinner and you're having problems with piercing the lid on a microwave meal.
Speaker 1:On a lasagna, yeah, um right. So 10 reasons. Well, I'll not go through them all. But why this practice? People just all be cooking. Um, the equipment is the main one. Um so, very poor with scissors, very poor with chopping what?
Speaker 2:this is like your sort of cv, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, very poor with chopping um grip. You know like grip, gripping things. Yeah, this is one which I found so funny. Even I can do this. You struggle to put oven gloves on absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2:So what's up, you made their own gloves that people who can't pull oven gloves I know, yeah, but I mean, look, I'm allowed to because I'm part of that yeah, you're one of the community um, but this someone said yes, I agree with this one.
Speaker 1:I actually create my own gloves and I just stick them to my hand.
Speaker 2:Think how big the opening is.
Speaker 1:I can't get my head around this one, yeah.
Speaker 2:If you can't put an oven glove on, I'm not sure how you can function in the world. It's almost designed to be the easiest glove you'll ever put on, isn't?
Speaker 1:it. And then the big one for me is the chopping. I do really struggle with ours, you can probably. I once cut. I tried to open a tin of pineapples once and I cut my my finger and I had to go to hospital because it went that deep.
Speaker 2:Well, we yeah, we mentioned a lot. I don't know if it was on the podcast stuff just when I'm talking to you, but I was asking you if you remember when you tried to make yourself a sandwich in Tenerife or Gran Canaria.
Speaker 1:I had some bad times with that. I'll tell you about my day later on. Go on, you didn't even know. You thought you'd done a good job. Yeah, it was good enough for me.
Speaker 2:The bread was sawed at a really strange angle and not put away again. I've got flair, Flair isn't it. The butter. You just left the lid off it. It looked like you just scooped a bit out with your hand.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not Fanny Craddock. Come on, let's not.
Speaker 2:That just turned to liquid, yeah. And then you just ripped. Instead of like there's a clear bit on a pack of ham that says open here, you just sort of smashed your way in from the other end.
Speaker 1:It weren't ham. I don't eat ham, so it can't have been ham, but it was something like that. Whatever it was it might have been some sliced cheese or something like that I once, while meeting a girl, we went to a cafe and we were in the middle of the day and I ordered a scone. I thought they'd have buttered it for me. They didn't, and I just could not butter, this scone.
Speaker 2:I've never seen a scone come pre-buttered, to be fair.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know what. Well, I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 1:I got a muffin at McDonald's on Saturday actually, and it came with jam, but you had to put your own jam on. That was a disaster. So you know, people don't Think about us at Christmas. Trouble is real. At Christmas you should play some light music. Now, that's all. I don't know, like I don't know, just give to people who distract you at Christmas.
Speaker 2:Dun, dun, dun, dun, Dun, dun, dun, dun.
Speaker 1:Any, I'm trying to think sorry, go on, carry on.
Speaker 2:Well, what I was going to say is that you have no trouble tucking into a pint.
Speaker 1:I don't pour myself have you seen me pour a pint before?
Speaker 2:to be fair, you often drink a pint with two hands. I do drink a pint. I don't see anyone else do that.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I just drink a water bottle out the side of my mouth as well. Have you seen me do that before? Like Popeye? Like Popeye eats spinach. Yeah, I don't know why I do it, it's just just the way. Just the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Rusty Lee? Do you like any of her stuff?
Speaker 2:I haven't got Rusty Lee on my list. I don't know. Rusty Lee does not spring to mind. Sorry, just on Nigel Slater, by the way.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, yeah, Sorry, yeah go on, but for anyone who does, I struggle really to see why anyone is really. I mean, actually it reminds me of something I forgot to mention on the Fanny Cradd. Do you not like the sound of somebody's voice and people might listen to that? Well, they're probably not listening but might think we've got irritating voices. That's fine. But Nigel Slater does this like it's very light, weak, wet mouth sound. It's like and this is going to be a delicious piece of cake. It's like it turns my stomach a bit to hear him speak. And what reminds me of Fanny Craddock is I'm horrible with. It turns my stomach a bit to hear him speak, and what reminds me of Fanny Craddock is how horrible were the noises when she was stirring the mincemeat.
Speaker 2:Did you pick?
Speaker 1:up that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, really, really awful. It's like somebody eating with their mouth open. Yeah, really awful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, horrible.
Speaker 2:I've got Rusty Lee open. Yeah, I know where Rusty Lee is now. I don't know if she's done any sort of. I don't associate her with Christmas cooking, no to be fair.
Speaker 1:No, I mean. So your go-to would be if you were this Christmas. I don't know last minute. William, you're going to have to do Christmas dinner. What are you doing? Are you going straight to Delia's cookbook?
Speaker 2:No, I'm probably going pucker, pucker.
Speaker 1:You said, that, didn't you?
Speaker 2:pucker, go on, pucker, pucker, pucker. Yeah, well, yeah, he used to sort of like can you do an impression of Jamie Oliver?
Speaker 1:oh, I might no.
Speaker 2:I don't like that though, is it? No, he's a bit sort of Simon Jordan Jordanian, like he sort of can't say a lot of work yeah, I think that maybe no that's not right. It's not exactly Simon Jordan, no well they have.
Speaker 1:A look at Mary Berry, by the way, jumping around him this turkey has not got the courage of his convictions. Mary Berry's 89 now yeah, yeah she's not Christmas, she's more like obviously your cakes and shit, though yeah, bacon, exactly yeah, that's what I associate her with. Marco.
Speaker 2:Pia is he in wheels or yeah, he's just a bit of an angry man, marco Pia. I do like the other French guy, the other French guy, I think the other French guy. Eric Cantona well, raymond Blanc I quite like, but that's not the one I'm trying to think of, the one who's sort of part of the famous family he's got. His uncle and his dad were famous chefs as well. I can't think of it. We're not going to say I don't know what. To search for Famous French chefs I could look for.
Speaker 1:I want a good story. Fiori, we once went to when I did Media Studies, did a film and then they put it onto the big screen I don't know where it were, odian or something like that because, like every student got the, you know, the film shot at the odian. And um, we did this film and, as they put it on at odian, someone's mom who were in our group, had taped it over with a ready, steady cook and they're that. Well, that, because obviously vhs takes its time. And that came on Ainsley as well. Look at Ainsley, look at Ainsley it was Michelle Rue.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of Michelle Rue. Never met him, never met him. I mean, that's really loose chat around Christmas TV, chefs and cooking. We've said we're going to go free and easy, so there's very little research. The last bit I want to talk about, though, is something that Jodie reminded me of, which is the royal family cooking Christmas dinner. What's that Not as in Charles and Camilla?
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought you meant.
Speaker 2:I genuinely thought like Fair point, well made, barbera, I can imagine like Philip, like in his do you know?
Speaker 1:like Prince Philip, when he were alive. Fucking, get that fucking thing in here right now.
Speaker 2:The bit with the. Have you seen it? Do you know the bit I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did Dave and Denise become, instead of just lazy, functioning people?
Speaker 1:You've mentioned in this before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they started off as, like normal lazy people. By the time we get to that Christmas special, which is them cooking Christmas dinner, they're just absolute mental cases, aren't they Like? What are they doing? Yeah, you know what I'm talking about with Dave's dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's when he calls you a barbarian, doesn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's excrement, excrement in the exhaust pipe. Jim Bell, yeah, but yeah, the bit at the start really. But it kind of makes me think of you sometimes, the bit at the start really annoys me, but it sort of reminds me of you as well. What the two? No, no, no yeah.
Speaker 1:You said the bit at the start, really annoys me and it reminds me of you. Yeah, go on. It's not a great start.
Speaker 2:Go on the environment, and it remains with you. Yeah, go on. It's not a great start. Go on, well, no, no, what? What annoys me is that these characters have been turned into these like incompetent people, to a point where they're talking about me again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go on, go on carry on.
Speaker 2:I don't put you quite down on this level.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're going to end this. You've got dyspraxia. They're not dyspraxic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's very true, very true but they're trying to defrost the turkey in a bath and whilst having a bath with it. And then there's a bit oh, remember this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is just ridiculous. And then it's like do you want the water after me, denise? Yeah, go on. Then it's appalling and a bit that really irrationally winds Jodie up is where they boot the turkey across the floor like wearing these big slippers into the airing cupboard yeah.
Speaker 1:Would you? No, obviously I wouldn't do it, I'm not a fucking idiot. Now I'd get pizza in for a kick-off or microwave meals.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm thinking, you know, if it got to Christmas dinner and you said you were going to do it and you'd got a turkey that wasn't defrosted?
Speaker 1:I'd love to see you in that environment. Where are you? It'd be like do you know, last of the summer wine? I'll be at wheelbarrow going down that road for some reason. That's how I imagine it.
Speaker 2:You know, with turkey like oh.
Speaker 1:God, I need to take you around to a place or somewhere to get it, like to get it, to get it cooked. I don't know what I'd be doing.
Speaker 2:Imagine, if you were doing Christmas dinner. I came to your house. Yeah, as I turn up your road, you wheel past me in a bath?
Speaker 1:that'd be amazing, wouldn't it? Have you ever been anywhere?
Speaker 2:I did not see that coming. Have you ever?
Speaker 1:been anywhere for Christmas dinner. Would you like to recommend anywhere? No, we looked into it this morning. I did not see that coming.
Speaker 2:I would have to say that have you ever been anywhere for Christmas dinner Like would you like to recommend anywhere? No, we looked into it this year. There don't seem to be as many doing it. This time I've never been.
Speaker 1:Normally Manan's, to be fair, christmas. But yeah, she does that thing where I don't know if you prefer this, where someone's more she'll do do like a pudding and stuff first and then we'll have like a main dish and then some afters after, and my nan gets everything in the middle and you pick your own. What do you prefer? Um, because I imagine you're a bit of a weirdo when it comes to people picking foods, like going oh, he's got his. I don't know, I don't know. I can imagine you're not liking some of that. Or keep an eye on how many people, how how many things people are having. He's got fucking five potatoes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I tend to do loads, so I don't mind when I've done it and I do prefer to put it middle and get what you want. I think that's the best way for me. Keeping it warm is always a bit of a problem because I like to go for it. I do the works, but it does annoy me a bit if I go somewhere else and like I don't know, there's not a huge amount of yorkshire puddings and somebody dies straight in with a double like I'm gonna grab two early on without seeing what's left for everyone else. No, I don't like that. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I do loads of stuff, so there's always there's loads when I do it.
Speaker 1:But and what about the aftermath of christmas dinner? Like, I mean to be fair, let's talk about this weekend, and they were talking about the best, about the aftermath of a Christmas dinner. I mean to be fair. I was at a club this weekend and they were talking about the best and worst bits of a Christmas dinner. So we'll nick that first. What's your favourite and worst bits? I don't like sprouts. I will have one. Normally, if my mom and mom does it, I'll have one because I think they've put the effort in.
Speaker 2:If you're going to commit to putting that on your plate, I want to see you eat that.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I will eat one, I will put one on there, but you won't put one on slice a little bit off, just for no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I just think they've gone to effort to cook it and stuff, so I'll have one, I don't mind if somebody's put on five sprouts and they only eat four, are you? I don't like people who say I'll have one but then don't eat it.
Speaker 1:Leave it, if you're not going to have it, it's fine. Remember our mate Russell? Russell obviously is called Russell Sprout. Yeah, when he went to Cubs when he was a youngster and he said, yeah, I left because someone called me Russell Sprout. Such a shit name, russell Sprout. What are you giving up, then, liam?
Speaker 2:I've got sprouts. I'm not bothered about red cabbage, but a lot of people don't put that on anyway yeah, I prefer red cabbage to white cabbage.
Speaker 1:See with me.
Speaker 2:I'm not bothered about any cabbage, to be honest, but I prefer, like, green cabbage. If I'm going to go, cabbage, but yeah, I could quite happily lose that if there's two meats on offer. Oh yeah, I'm not too fussed whether the pigs on blankets are available.
Speaker 1:I'm not bothered about them, I don't eat them. I don't eat them.
Speaker 2:Pigs on blankets Just don't like it, not a fan, I don't mind them, but if you're just having turkey, by all means let's have some pigs in blankets. Yeah, Got turkey and beef or turkey and roast pork, as I would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, pork's my favourite. I'll always ask for a pork if I get the choice, rather than a turkey, to be honest.
Speaker 2:I do like turkey, but this is a terrible chat, really, isn't it? But what about ham? Don't like ham, don't like ham, not even like your proper roast ham.
Speaker 1:Don't like roast ham.
Speaker 2:Don't.
Speaker 1:Do't do have, don't do Christmas cooking the best thing I think. I think Gravy obviously Needs to be on there. That's a given. You can't have a dry.
Speaker 2:Gravy's like the enhancer, isn't it? Yeah, you can't have that as an item. Almost that's something that makes everything better.
Speaker 1:I think it's just not the same Without roast potatoes. I know that's an easy root one. I think puddings as well for me, would you?
Speaker 2:sacrifice mash for roast?
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely Roast is all I would. Would you sacrifice York's? Puddings for roast though no, so it is your option.
Speaker 2:You can go mash and roast, or you can go York's pudding and mash. York's pudding and mash I'd go for. So you are giving up roast, then You're not that protective.
Speaker 1:No, it's puddings for me. I love a pudding. I could eat a pudding every day if I want, but I'd be dead.
Speaker 2:I reckon I'd be right in saying you could probably eat one now, couldn't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. I've just had some salad, but anyway are we done?
Speaker 2:I think we've done that to death, haven't we I think we've absolutely covered Christmas cooking.
Speaker 1:Really difficult one to do, Something we wanted to do anyway. Christmas cooking shows, cooking shows in general.
Speaker 2:So we thought I think that's a terrible effort, but it's been some laughs along the way, hasn't it?
Speaker 1:Well, we've had a laugh, haven't we? We've had a good bloody laugh about it. And I tell you what we'll have a laugh next time. Your choices aren't we?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, absolute festive necessity. We are doing well, we're going to make it more general, but the start off point is merry christmas, mr bean, it's the now. I'd be amazed if anybody listening hasn't watched that, but I have seen it yeah, I think I would say, go and watch it. It's an absolutely phenomenal piece of Christmas comedy gold. I would say it's right up there. For me it was sort of Home Alone and I don't know, Christmas Carol. Masters of the. Universe All your sort of high-end ones. Mr Bean goes in there with me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fair enough. Mr Bean, I have seen this, obviously, but not for a long, long time. I think it's only half an hour. It is on YouTube. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:It's on ITVX, which you have to sign up for, but it's free. I think we'll go more general, mr Bean. Afterwards We'll start with Merry Christmas, mr Bean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we might go more general Mr Bean, and we'll see what sort of You're a huge fan of him aren't you?
Speaker 2:yeah, brilliant, yeah, I. I think it's universal comedy. I don't even think, you know, I even have to be from, uh, some of the what am I going to say? I'm going to say the Emerald Isles, but that's obviously, that's Ireland, isn't it? You don't have to be from the British Isles even there's more to Ireland.
Speaker 1:Now there's even Irish. Like people can like this, can't they?
Speaker 2:non-Irish should I say yeah they don't just have to watch Father Ted. This is also available, but no, I think it's, I think it's worldwide, any age. Yeah, just it's brilliant, and the Christmas one in particular is a very good episode as well. So, and actually we'll mention it in a thing, but a really good gag in there that Friends stole many years later probably got much more credit, for I don't know what you're on about here, but we'll not ruin it now.
Speaker 1:Thank you for today, liam. I'm off to put pizza in the oven and I will. Yeah, I'll catch you next time, for Mr Bean certainly will alright, good evening.
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