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"Living With Madeley" is a nostalgic TV based podcast that attempts to take a humorous look at some of the most weird, wonderful and woeful moments in UK television history.
Titled "Living With Madeley" as neither host can remember a week of their lives where Richard Madeley hasn't been on their screens, join Andrew and Liam as they take you on a journey to TV past.
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Series 8 Bonus Episode 3- The Dave Jones Conspiracy
Have you ever watched a sports presenter week after week, year after year, and still found yourself unable to describe what they look like or recall their name? That's the foundation of what we've affectionately dubbed "The Dave Jones Conspiracy" - our half-serious investigation into whether Sky Sports' main football presenter might be more than meets the eye.
What began as a throwaway observation during a football broadcast at Chapel St. Leonard's quickly evolved into one of our most fascinating discussions yet. We explore how despite being the face of Super Sunday and Monday Night Football for over a decade, Dave Jones remains curiously unmemorable - a quality that might actually make him the perfect sports presenter.
The conspiracy takes an even stranger turn when we discover connections to what we call "The Mike Baldwin Effect" - named after Coronation Street's Mike Baldwin, whom Leeroy suspected had been secretly replaced multiple times. By remarkable coincidence, there's an actual scientific concept called the Baldwin Effect relating to evolution, learning, and replacement - eerily mirroring our theories about Dave Jones.
Our investigation uncovered four key pieces of evidence: First, his uncanny "forgettability" despite hundreds of television appearances. Second, his flawless professional record - never making mistakes, never becoming the story. Third, his bizarrely sparse online footprint with crucial biographical details missing from his Wikipedia page (which instead mentions a "Russian lobster-trading billionaire" connection). And finally, his apparent absence from public life outside the Sky Sports studio.
While we present this conspiracy with tongue firmly in cheek, it raises fascinating questions about media, perception, and what makes the perfect television presenter. Perhaps Dave Jones represents the pinnacle of sports presenting - so good at his job that he becomes almost invisible while performing it. Or perhaps... there's something more to the story?
Join us for this uniquely thought-provoking episode, and let us know if you've ever actually met Dave Jones in person. We'd love to hear from you at livingwithmadely@outlook.com or on Twitter @livingwithmade1.
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the podcast Living with Maidly. This is a podcast which is based on TV nostalgia, but this is actually a bonus episode. It's series eight bonus episode three, and we're going to be discussing our own. Yeah, it is ours. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know anyone else who's. I mean, we've got a message, obviously about something else, but I don't think anyone else has got this conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Between us.
Speaker 1:We've invented our own conspiracy.
Speaker 2:If it turns out other people know of it, I might back it up. But yeah, just Sorry, I lost myself there Just to finish off. So I'm one of the hosts. I am Leroy and the other host is Andrew, or Andreas or Anderson, however you prefer to call him. Yep, anything you'll do.
Speaker 1:No one ever calls me Andy, do they? I think we've mentioned this before.
Speaker 2:Andy, big Steve, I think Big.
Speaker 1:Steve, yeah, I think we've talked about this before, andy. I don't like it, andy. It makes me feel like I don't know. It reminds me of Andy Peters. I've got nothing against Andy Peters. They don't call you Prince Andrew chill tonight yeah, andre, he'd be a good. Yeah, I've called you andre, andre the giant. I'm really small, so that'll be, you know.
Speaker 2:Anyway yeah, anyway, yeah so. So this is a bit of a tangent intro already. We, that's, this is how we roll. We did an episode last time about conspiracy theories and this is it's hard to describe, right? So this is two things that feed into one another. One is something that I sort of thought to myself a long time ago. Told you, you said I'm mad, and then kind of sort of saw where I was coming from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that led into when we did one of our roadshow episodes. We went to Chapel St Leonard's, we were talking about something on Sky Sports and it's not like. So we have a debate about who came up with the nickname burt back outright I'm certain it's me you think you did it um this. This was an absolute collaborative effort. This was we, the. The light shone on both of us at the same time you've spoken to your dad about this.
Speaker 1:I've spoken to uh webding, famously, of tufty club, uh eggy army, and they both said, like what are you you talking about? And then I said, well, you, we'll get onto what we're talking about and they said, oh, that's like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, just bear with us. If you listen to this, bear with us. You might think this is nonsense, but actually fair play, you've done more research and it actually becomes all right so, so let's get into it. Should we start with the background effect?
Speaker 1:yeah, you talk about the, what would you call the baldwin effect so.
Speaker 2:So the Baldwin effect is I was once I don't know how old I was, probably about late teens, early twenties and I was watching Coronation Street and Mike Baldwin was on, and so I did a double take and I thought I'm pretty sure that does not look like Mike Baldwin, mike Baldwin and Coronation Street fame, by the way, for people who don't, I assume everyone knows Mike Baldwin like of our era anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I thought I'm sure he did not look exactly like that a week ago. So I thought, no, it must do. Forgot about it. Maybe six months later he was on again and I thought, hold on, he's changed again. That's not the same Mike Baldwin that I've seen. So I say to you, I'm not sure if they changed the actor of Mike Baldwin several times, but he looked so similar nobody noticed Johnny Briggs is the actor Johnny Briggs, but it's quite a generic looking man I suspected.
Speaker 2:I can't prove it. I'm sure Johnny Briggs' family will say it's absolutely not true. But I just suspected, half joking, half like no, it does not look like that. I used to see pictures of him like on soap magazines and things and think that's not the mike baldwin. I remember so. So yeah, it's kind of half sort of half joking, half serious. I used to have this thing that I call the mike baldwin effect, where somebody might change characters and you might not know is, yeah, the mad part to that is obviously to me it's the mike baldwin effect. So there is a thing called the baldwin effect. Now, I never knew this was a real thing at all. We got a message sent in to us and I'm just pulling it up on my phone now.
Speaker 2:Just bear with me please listeners because I should have had this pre-loaded, but I didn't. That's not what we do on this podcast. No, we're free and easy, aren't we Free and easy?
Speaker 1:especially on the bonus episodes. It's free and easy, so you know, as Liam's getting this over, just have a think in your mind what Mike Baldwin might look like in your mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and did he change over time?
Speaker 1:Did he?
Speaker 2:change, yeah Right, so I'm struggling to remember who actually sent it to us.
Speaker 1:It's not like we've got an abundance of messages no, I shouldn't say that but there was a few that have come up that I've not responded to.
Speaker 2:So yeah, sorry, so it was matt on twitter sent us a direct message. Yeah, and apparently in biology, the baldwin effect is the result of the interaction of evolution with learning by individual animals over their lifetime. Characters individually acquired by characteristics I think that should say yeah individually acquired by members of a group of organisms may eventually, under the influence of selection, be reinforced or replaced by similar hereditary characteristics. That is the essence of the evolutionary phenomenon here the Baldwin effect. So there is a real Baldwin effect. I've actually looked at it. So existing machine learning as well. So, when it comes to AI, which is something we're going to touch on, later.
Speaker 1:This is interesting. I love that. I didn't know about this tweet. You said you did, say we got a message, but you said you save it. So yeah, I didn't know about that.
Speaker 2:So the Baldwin effect is a phenomenon be able to improve the results of an evolutionary algorithm by applying it to systems that themselves learn. Yeah, Last bit. The Baldwin effect was first demonstrated by Hinton and Nolan in the context of machine learning.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to put in just because people might be thinking yeah, you're just saying this because you know about this Baldwin effect. Obviously you can only take my word for it. You've been going on about this for 20 years about Mike Baldwin and the fact that there is a Baldwin effect.
Speaker 2:You know that a term called the Baldwin effect, that sort of involves self-learning and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the first part of what we're going to talk about. That, yeah, maybe this is absolute, all coincidence, but this is absolute or coincidence, but this is the first part where you start to think hold on a minute, there is an actual Baldwin effect and it is about things being replaced and self-updating and self-learning, and you've been saying for 20 years that Mike Baldwin is not the same Mike Baldwin that we saw, it wasn't always the same Mike Baldwin.
Speaker 2:It wasn't the same Mike Baldwin.
Speaker 1:And this comes on to the major conspiracy, I think, of the podcast. We think the Sky Sports presenter does Saturday night games, or like Monday night games and Sunday games. The main presenter Super Sunday yeah, super Sunday, dave Jones. We've mentioned it before on a pod, just like in passing. We think Dave Jones is computer generated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to caveat that. So that started off as a bit of a joke. Yeah, and we thought we'll sort of sell it as that. We believe it, but we don't really.
Speaker 1:but actually, once you, once you join us, listen to this and you tell me whether this man do you know what, by the way, something that I find funny.
Speaker 2:So do you know if I called something? And I'm thinking of other TV presenters, sports presenters. So if this episode is going to be called the Dave Jones effect, am I right in saying? Or the Dave Jones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Dave Jones conspiracy. I don't know the Dave Jones conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you'll already have read that. Now I reckon, if this episode was called the Gabby Logan conspiracy, the Mark Chapman conspiracy, the John Inverdale conspiracy, you would in your mind picture that person and think, oh, I wonder what they're going to say about them. You've come to this episode called the Dave Jones conspiracy.
Speaker 1:I think there's a good chance. You think I wonder who that is they're talking about. Well, the four main reasons why we think Dave Jones may be an AI-generated person. No one can remember his face, despite being on a show that me and you at least have watched every week for over two decades.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, sorry just to set the scene here. So where we came to this, we were watching a game of football the Chaps and the Leonards and we were talking about who would be in the studio at halftime, and we said I wonder who's presenting? And we said I'd probably be their main guy, won't it? And we both said who is that, though? And neither of us could think of his name or what he looks like, and you had to Google it. And even as we looked at it, we said yeah, is that him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, is that him, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's him, and this was someone we've seen on our screens hundreds of times. Yeah, and and again, just the last bit before you get to all your research.
Speaker 2:So I was talking to my dad about it. I said wait, in chapter something, as me and agate were laughing about the fact that the main presenter of the show because me and my dad watched super sunday I'd say pretty much every sunday about the presenter, and my dad watched Super Sunday I'd say pretty much every Sunday about the presenter, and my dad sort of said yeah, but, and I said, well, what's his name? And he said I don't know. So what does he look like? He said I've got absolutely no idea. I said, yeah, that is exactly the Dave Jones theory.
Speaker 2:that's what we've been talking about so yeah, that's the background to it, that's how we came to this, like what on earth is. So I'd say one of the reasons.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's the background to it, that's how we came to this, like what on earth is this? Yeah, so, like I say, one of the reasons. There's four big reasons. I think One of them is that none of us neither of us or other people we've spoken to as well cannot, really, can never, remember his name, can never really remember his name. I can never remember what he looks like. He's never done anything notable, which is not a bad thing. It sounds like we're going to criticise Dave Jones.
Speaker 2:No, no, absolutely not. This is not we kind of think part of this is, he's the perfect presenter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we think this is because there's been no controversies as far as I know, as far as you know this guy, just every week he's just there, and this is where we're like joking, oh, he's like a robot and you think a robot.
Speaker 2:He's never made a mistake. He's never called anyone the wrong name, said the wrong thing.
Speaker 1:He's on it. Nobody can ever remember what he's called as we've just mentioned, despite the fact he's been Sky Sports' main presenter for 22 years. That is crazy by the way, his name is meant to be forgotten, in my opinion, dave.
Speaker 2:Jones, if you were going to come up with a name to not be remembered. Dave Jones, sorry if you're called Dave Jones, by the way, but in terms of like a sort of celebrity name, it just does not jump out, does it.
Speaker 1:And this is where it gets a bit weird for me. So the fourth reason for me every source about him on his Wikipedia page takes you to either a dead link or his own website. His date of birth is not even listed on Wikipedia. This is a guy presenting the biggest sports channel in britain for 22 years as the main presenter of the, the games that we all watch every sunday and every monday night. His date of birth is not listed and neither is his place of birth. This is the main presenter of sky, I know like it's so easy to find, like we all know, uh mark chapman.
Speaker 1:I put in I know BBC people. I said more people watch BBC. I don't know if that's true. Actually, obviously they don't have live games BBC, unless it's cup games. No, I'd say Sky probably has Mark. Chapman, he's got it all out. He went to you in a year, did it today, went to this, went to this, went to that and have had more information and more citations than Dave Jones's own website and just dead links that don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you think about that progression, so so Mark Chapman as an example, or Gary Lineker, or Gabby Logan used to be Gabby Yoruth. I know of her progression. I've seen her age. I've seen Mark Chapman age and grow his grey beard. Dave Jones I nearly forgot his name, dave Jones. Yeah Well, I'm going to say he's not aged a day, but I don't remember him 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:I can't remember him. Now we're talking about him and I cannot remember what he looks like right now. And if you're thinking right, what are you on about here? Just think, don't look, think about what Dave Jones looks like, and then, if you want, to Google him.
Speaker 2:You've probably seen him for 20 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've seen him every week pretty much. What did he look like?
Speaker 2:when he started? Have you seen any aging of him? Yeah, can you even think of what he looks?
Speaker 1:like at all. Yeah, you ever think about this guy, dave Jones, and then look right, I'm going to go through his biography like so well, so he was supposedly born on april, the 13th 1974. But I can only find one source for this, which is famousbirthdayscom. I'm not even sure that is a reliable source nowhere else, yeah, nowhere else on the net unless people might be able to prove me wrong here.
Speaker 1:But I I had a good couple of minutes research into this and I couldn't find anywhere else on the net that told you where dave jones when his birthday was. A few articles say he was born in north yorkshire, but again, I can't find anything like that. Actually, very I can't find a town or a city I don't know. I mean he says he went to stocks, the comprehensive school. So I went on the stocksley school wikipedia page and it does mention him as a notable pupil, but there's no citation given to back up that he went there. I don't mind, and you'd have thought this guy really famous presenter, really successful presenter. You'd have thought the Stocksley School sort of page, the website or whatever to back up the school and say, oh, notable pupils, this guy. Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2:I mean, how mad is that in the modern age that you've got sky sports lead football presenter and you can't find out where he was born?
Speaker 1:that blows my mind, oh yeah, where he was born. When he was born, I don't understand. I'm just trying to think of, like the schools that we've been to, if someone we knew had become a presenter of sky sports, like the main presenter of Sky Sports. They'd be like pin-ups. Do you know what I mean? They'd be like oh, we're so proud of our pupil, dave Jones. Do you know what I mean for doing this? Yeah, we had a guy. In fact, we knew a guy, terry, didn't we? What did they get into? Construction or something, fairly, and his picture were bedouin school. When you took your kids there, I think, weren't they for like an open day or something?
Speaker 2:yeah, henry boot or something. But yeah, I'm sort of trying to trying to keep us in check here, because I'm thinking, but I suppose, like, what I'm thinking is, yeah, but he's not the sports star, is he? But actually as a journalist, that is a huge achievement, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It's a massive achievement.
Speaker 2:Becoming the lead anchor. Yeah, you would say, like past pupils, dave Jones, look how well he's doing. He came to our school, this is where he got his foundations and this is what you could become. This is Because he's kind of at the peak of what he does. Yeah, yeah there would be stuff around the school.
Speaker 1:Like I say on Wikipedia, he's on notable pupils, but there's no citation. There is for every other notable pupil at that school, which is, again, that's the conspiracy, if it is a conspiracy. So he attained a history degree from the University of Gloucestershire before completing a postgraduate NCTJ course in newspaper journalism in Sheffield. I don't know if, if his birthday is right, he's obviously older than us, so we're a lot younger than him, but we're both from Sheffield, both grew up in Sheffield, both huge sports fans. How did we never know that this guy went to Sheffield University? Yeah, why are there no local stories again about one of their most famous graduates? Why?
Speaker 2:does he have no accent? If he's from North Yorkshire and he went to Sheffield Uni, he has zero accent, does he?
Speaker 1:Well, apparently he's a Sunderland fan as well, which, again, he's not a Geordie, is he?
Speaker 2:No, he's got. I couldn't even, I can't even think of him speaking.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yeah. So David's first job in journalism was with the Derbyshire Times newspaper in Chesterfield, working as a news reporter covering crime, local politics and often jousting it says on Wikipedia with the legendary Chesterfield MP Tony Benn.
Speaker 2:So what I? So I used to buy that, by the way, when I was like 17, 18 times more than anything like the sort of jobs and the for sale ads like, and I'd obviously read the sports section and, to be fair, I can't name any other. Well, he, well, he wasn't on the sports spectrum.
Speaker 1:He's jousting with Tony Benn isn't he?
Speaker 2:He's in political?
Speaker 1:This is what I mean. Did they initially want to make him a political presenter but found it too difficult to work with politicians? Like Tony Benn said, hang on Something a bit weird here, you know don't forget, by the way, he's got zero sports background here. Did they change tact and thought this is?
Speaker 2:getting a bit too difficult for our AI man. We need to create another backstory for him. Yeah, but I think that's not the angle I'm coming at it with, because I'm thinking, because I think you've researched the stat that Tony Benn died in 2014 and he came to prominence in 2014.
Speaker 1:That's correct, that is completely correct. So, tony Benn, the Labour politician.
Speaker 2:He's been in the lead for 20 years, then has he. So we've got that completely wrong then 2004, no, no, 2004, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:when did he die?
Speaker 2:hang on 2004 oh, no sorry he had been.
Speaker 1:He's been in Sky Ferry for 20 years, but it was in 2014 when he became the face of Saturday Night Sky Sports Premier League games. He'd already been working for Sky before that, but he's been the lead for 11 years, but he's been on. Sky, yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so I so the way I'm reading it, because I don't think you can change tact with an AI character.
Speaker 1:Well, did Tony Ben say I'm trying to do this accent, I don't know what.
Speaker 2:I'm doing here. How would that work? How is Tony? Ben interacting with AI data. What I think is it could have been over the phone or video easily. Maybe, but I think they created a backstory for him. I'm not sure he Right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I think they created a character and they needed a backstory. And this is all kind of after the event. We could say he did this, we could say he went there.
Speaker 1:And the reason we could say he knew Tony Benn.
Speaker 2:And then the moment that Because Tony Benn dies and there's no point. Now, it's almost like they said who died this year? Tony ben? Well, I'll tell you what we'll say then, because he can't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he had a relationship with tony ben.
Speaker 2:So and and again, just just so everyone listening is kind of not thinking we're losing our minds, we're not. I'm not saying as a fact dave jones is ai generated. Consider it though, but what I'm saying is he could be, it could be. That's where I am, I think I'm sure what will be interesting is because surely people have come across him. We might get people saying I've actually met him face to face I might say dave jones is listening.
Speaker 1:I doubt it will be, but if anyone who's close to him. This is not a criticism of dave jones. This is an absolute phrase of dave jones for being that professional. This is not a criticism of Dave Jones. This is an absolute praise of Dave Jones for being that professional that I can't believe he exists.
Speaker 2:Absolutely spot on. Yeah, he's so good at his job, and bear in mind that his job is not to be the face of. No, no, no, we shouldn't know who he is, so when you?
Speaker 1:sometimes get. Everyone knows Richard Keyes because he's a dick and he's stealing the limelight.
Speaker 2:He's becoming the star of the show. What Dave Jones is so good at is he lets us just focus on the ex -footballers. We get their opinions. He just keeps things moving. He never makes mistakes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what he should be there for he shouldn't have a personality.
Speaker 2:He's the perfect presenter. So good, he's too good.
Speaker 1:He knows he's not the star of the show, right anyway, carried on with his bio. When his local team, chesterfield FC, reached the FA Cup semi-finals in 1997, david was drafted in to help the sports desk, obviously because the momentum of the Chesterfield Cup run meant that a lot of the local stories were about that, because obviously they'd never been that far before, certainly not on an history. This was the springboard for him to join Sky for the launch of Sky Sports News in 1998. Original as a scriptwriter but swiftly progressing to become a reporter and then presenter. So at the start of 1997, he'd done zero sports work and was in local politics jousting with Tony Byrne, and by 1998, he was on the biggest sports channel in Britain.
Speaker 2:Are we making a mess of this time on here, because now we're saying 25 years ago he started on Sky?
Speaker 1:then Whatever it is, it don't matter about that. We're not known for it. This is a conspiracy. It don't matter, you don't have to be spot on. Yeah, you don't have to. All right, Sorry, Ben. Obviously, as we've said, he apparently jousted with Jones in the local newspaper. He died. Jones became the face of Saturday night Sky Sports Premier League games. Were they waiting for Ben to pass to put AI Jones in the hot seat Because he's already on Sky News at this point? Were they sort of thinking like he's gone, we'll use him? Or did they do some work with AI Jones and Ben and sort of said, right, we've got that now, Like you know, we can, and then we can have a plausible?
Speaker 2:relationship with a real person. Yeah, now let's take it to the next stage.
Speaker 1:We're going to have multiple people engaging with this man, this is where it gets really funny, or weird, whatever, or, or or creeper, whichever way you want to say it. So this show, the Sky Sports Premier League, whatever it was, the show initially had an audience which I didn't know before being dropped after one series. Was there some sort of malfunction in the iJones here?
Speaker 2:that's why the audience was dropped.
Speaker 1:They used to have people in the studio yeah, they used to have people in the studio as they presented games or whatever it was. Was it just too risky to continue to do it?
Speaker 2:How can we never see this man, other than when he's projected as a hologram into his chair? Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody's ever met him. People shouting for autographs no, can't do that Can't do it, he's gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they had an audience for the shows that were on, and then after one series, they said I think people might be caught with people in the audience. If anyone's ever been to these shows, let us know, did you have some doubts?
Speaker 2:maybe somebody sat at a certain angle and he was like transparent, semi-transparent so jones now presents the flagship super sunday and monday night football.
Speaker 1:How do we know so little about a man who is on tv more than any other football presenter? And that's what blows my mind. You compare the info out there. As we said to Chappers Pugash, stellan Kelly Cates. They've all got big Wikipedia pages, countless citations, all stuff from former schools or articles about their early roles. Joneses are all dead links or they go to his own website.
Speaker 2:This is a man, by the way just for anyone listening, because I wasn't sure if I'm honest when you sent that the dead link means it just doesn't go anywhere. A dead link.
Speaker 1:Sorry you press it. It just says like what is the 404?
Speaker 2:This page is no longer available, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the links don't go anywhere. Now I don't like. I say, if you compare it to Chappers, all the others, all the others, it's mad that this guy is presenting the biggest football show in England and we know nothing about him.
Speaker 2:And if you think about sort of in an entertainment world, obviously mainly that we based this on initially. But even like your Tim Lovejoy, who came from this sort of world, that we based this on initially, but even like your Tim Lovejoy, who came from this sort of world Soccer. Yeah, Cooking show, whatever he does on Sunday mornings Simon Andy Peters and your presenters. It's very easy to find out a lot about them because they've been around for a while I watch this guy almost every year, every week, for at least 10 years.
Speaker 1:You've seen him hundreds of times, maybe thousands, yeah, and I don't know what he looks like and there's no information on him and I always forget his name. Just a few other things here. In 2019, he did a solo walk for three consecutive marathons over three consecutive days around North Yorkshire Moors to raise funds for School Aid India. What I want to know is why did he do a solo walk?
Speaker 2:And I said this to you.
Speaker 1:yeah, was he taking in for repairs, was it?
Speaker 2:because what? Solo who does? Because who can prove you did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Solo marathons, it's just like I think they say oh, I ain't seen that People. What's his name? I've not. You know him who does football? What's his name? What's he called?
Speaker 2:Him, I think he does some solo marathons.
Speaker 1:They're like or just say, he's doing some solo marathons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who does a marathon on the like? A marathon is an event. I think they've had to.
Speaker 1:There's like an upgrade, you know, like your computer and stuff. It sometimes says I don't know like you turn off your computer, yeah yeah, yeah, something's had to change. They might have had to make him look a little bit older. Maybe some people said this guy never ages. What's his name? He never ages. Yeah, whoever he is.
Speaker 2:I can't quite picture him. He doesn't seem to look older, yeah, so yeah, it's funny you've said that actually because he's doing some solo marathons over the next few days.
Speaker 1:Now this, sorry, this next bit. This is where a lot of people will say obviously it's ridiculous, you're mad, this is weird. This. This is on his Wikipedia page. Bear in mind his Wikipedia page is one of the smallest Wikipedia pages I've ever seen for anyone like it was in the public eye, let alone someone who's the biggest sports presenter, arguably on TV. He says he is a distant relative of Russian lobster-training billionaire, alexei Govpov. Why is that on his Wikipedia page that he's a distant relative of a Russian lobster trading billionaire? Is he the money man? Is he the one doing the AI?
Speaker 1:What's behind it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is this a clue Is it Olly Agog? Yeah, has he got.
Speaker 1:So bear in mind. By the way, his Wikipedia page doesn't mention his birthplace, his birth date, any personal info?
Speaker 2:anything about his wife?
Speaker 1:yeah, nothing about his kids, nothing. But he randomly mentions that he's a distant relative to a Russian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because everyone else's, by the way, says like personal life and it'll make him like house children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no personal life. Nothing no record. Now he has done an interview. Well, whoever he is, you know. Ai apparently lives in London with his partner, julie and his son Oscar. Why is that not on his Wikipedia page? And the Russian lobster trade in billionaires, and if you think we're joking about this, have a look at that. Honestly, that is true. That is the last thing on his Wikipedia page. It creeped me out. I like thinking why the fuck?
Speaker 2:why is that on there? Yeah, who's taking the time to do that? If that becomes a dead link tonight? If anyone's searching for that now that becomes a dead link, that's probably further proof that we're on. Yeah, if this podcast, well, they will never know, will they? If they never get to hear this.
Speaker 1:No, they might just think we're making it. Oh, this is not a joke. This is not a joke. This is not a joke, this is not a drill. This actually is on his. So I've read some interviews with him, by the way, as well. So obviously I didn't want to just go on Wikipedia, because obviously you know, the interviews that I've seen are so standard stuff about him loving sports and being a family man and stuff like that. But a few things stood out. He was asked what his biggest fear was and he said death. Is that the most AI?
Speaker 2:ever.
Speaker 1:Termination, termination, extermination, yeah, biggest fear death.
Speaker 2:What's your biggest fear? Control Alt Delete.
Speaker 1:And then he was asked about his ideal dinner guest. Think've won these all? Or like how rude one it is barack obama, tony blair and prince harry. If I wrote into ai now who are popular dinner guests, they come up in the top five or top ten or whatever.
Speaker 2:I reckon well, yeah, and probably when he was asked like whenever, that was five years ago. If you'd probably just point to google, tell me three famous people.
Speaker 1:Barack Obama, Tony Blair.
Speaker 2:Tony Blair's a bit older, but yeah. He's probably the most famous politician in the last 20 years, bear in mind. He's supposed to be a sports presenter, muhammad Ali Pele, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he also said after that, by the way, he said, um, there'd be some seriously good gossip in the room if those three would they? Because I don't think they'd give any gossip away. Are these what I might be wrong give it. It made me think of these three in on it. Are these three? Is prince harry tony blair? Is it a clue? Is it like people put little clues out and stuff in conspiracies like to say, oh, that's a clue there, oh yeah, are these three part of it? Barack Obama, tony Blair, prince Harry, or are they AI?
Speaker 2:Tony Blair. Was he in the right sort of time frame to have kind of been involved in starting the conspiracy?
Speaker 1:He could have been involved in the Baldwin effect easily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, barack Obama, world leader, Prince Harry, could be AI.
Speaker 1:Prince Harry might not exist. Prince Harry might have never been born. We don't know. Obviously you can't. It's up to you to you know, prove us wrong with that?
Speaker 2:Could you watch this interview, by the way?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Of course you can't. The other thing I was thinking is has anybody ever seen Dave Jones?
Speaker 1:Has anyone seen? Dave Jones has anyone seen him? Outside of the Sky Sports studio. So I've seen him on not the Top 20 podcast, but it were a video link, and I've seen him on a couple of other things and they seem to be all video links. I've never seen him interviewed in a face-to-face. I've never seen him on like I don't know. Do you know what?
Speaker 2:I've never seen him on like I don't know. I've seen Gary Neville walking around the park with Roy Keane.
Speaker 1:I've seen Ian Wright being surprised by you know why we've probably walked past him 400 times and just not realised, just like no, no, no, I recognise him a bit. I can't think of like one.
Speaker 2:Like Gary Neville obviously does his Gary Neville podcast. He does interviews. Why isn't? Why have none of these people ever had. Dave Jones on.
Speaker 1:Well, yes, like I say you, look at Jeff Stelham, obviously really famous. You've seen him on loads of things. He obviously does countdown for a kickoff. You know what I mean. He's on loads of things. Kelly Cates she's on. I think I've seen her on Would I Lie To you and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? She's far more media present than Dave Jones media present, dave Jones Chappers, like I say he's. He's on radio five, which is not a. Obviously you can't see him on that, but you you can actually because you could do the um, doesn't he do?
Speaker 2:I've seen him doing like is it golf?
Speaker 1:I've seen him yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does golf and stuff. Um, you've got obviously Gary Lennox is obviously really famous. Um, I'm trying to think of other, david Pratt, who does does AFL and stuff. I know that he used to play for Sheffield Wednesday United fan and he used to play for Wednesday around Main Row. I've seen him in the flat, I don't know. Another thing that he said, by the way, was he said when Roy Keane eyeballs me, I think that's good TV. Why is Keane eyeballing him? Because he doesn't do anything wrong and he might.
Speaker 2:Why am I listening to this guy? He might be.
Speaker 1:AI generated. Is he AI generated? I think he's AI generated, I don't know, I think. Does Keane like look at?
Speaker 2:him.
Speaker 1:Is he looking at him? Not thinking like why have you said that, but thinking like there's something about you that I don't trust. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, come on, it's his job to be professional, but he never makes a mistake.
Speaker 1:Never makes a mistake. Yeah, I think I don't know. So that's a bizarre thing to some of the things that I want to wonder as well. He's did the guess eyeballing him.
Speaker 2:I mean to be fair, it's quite funny if, if he's not ai which we obviously we don't know but if he's not, it's funny that he's just a professional man doing his job and Keane's eyeballing him, eyeballing him, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think he ever says anything. Look, I don't know. I'll be honest, I don't always watch the half-time or after-match analysis and stuff like that, but he's never trending. He's the main, fucking main presenter Lineker's, trending every day when he does like wherever he's doing anything.
Speaker 2:He's never got into an argument. So when the drama's kicking off, it might be Carragher and Keane Soonest yeah, we've seen Neville and Soonest falling out. We've seen Mika Richardson and Neville have big debates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's never Dave Jones has heated debate. No.
Speaker 1:And he's never in the clips or the shows. He's not on Simon Thomas. By the way, he does Gillette Soccer Saturday. Now obviously he did Blue Peter as well, but we know, I don't know. We know about his personal life. He obviously has some real tragedy in his personal life and stuff and we see him on adverts and things.
Speaker 2:You know Gillette adverts and things like that, yeah he's not AI.
Speaker 1:My other thing I want to know why is this man not famous to anybody, when he should be one of the most famous men in the world?
Speaker 2:absolutely so professional, so good at his job, that he has no presence outside of that studio, where, by the way, what I mean by that is, I'm sure, if he is real, I'm sure he has a very real sort of family relationships, but he's so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah straight into the bit we see of him. He can keep all that away, and he can just because he's so good. He can kind of become ai even if he's not ai, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So do you reckon? A couple of questions I want to ask you actually is that? Do you think the guests know his ai?
Speaker 2:does keen know, and he's not happy about it, but he's taking the this is the hardest bit, because when we would talk about this and I was sort of saying, is he a real man? Like I'm not quite sure where we were going with it did, did we think is he a robot? Is he a hologram? What are they seeing of?
Speaker 2:him that's the bit. I'm not too sure and I yeah I assume they are seeing a person sat in front of them, but they've obviously got like mics on their ears. Is it that is triggering some effect in their brain when they see him? And then the other thing that I was thinking I was thinking about this today actually is actually, is it a sign of the Baldwin effect that anyone can what they've created? Is that actually anyone? So it doesn't matter who does that presenting job, anyone can go and sit in that chair and and it will appear to us on screen- as part of the studio, but as the, as this generic version, so that they don't need to pay big money to to a certain individual to be the star.
Speaker 1:Well, this is what I'm going to ask you. Actually, why would they use a computer generated? Presenter. I think, that's fairly easily answered.
Speaker 2:You can get anyone that could get me or you to go and ask the questions, and that the audience at home and again harder for them in the studio, but that it would appear, like this person that you can't quite picture who's just good at asking the questions. Yeah, I don't know. I don't quite. As with any good conspiracy, I don't have all the answers.
Speaker 1:I can't and like I say, I mean we can only set you off on a journey we are sort of at the end of our journey here and obviously the vast majority of this podcast has been completely tongue-in-cheek. But I love shit like this because I think it it shows how conspiracies can. I mean. If we got into the wrong, we got the wrong crowd listening to us.
Speaker 2:There'd be people listening to us now going do you know what they're cooking these guys? Now they've got. That's how easy it is what we've just said and actually like the sort of truth. The truth of it is obviously it's a bit of a joke that that we can't quite picture him.
Speaker 1:We couldn't think of his name they're absolutely 100%, hand on heart truths that neither of us could think of what he looked like or his name we've seen him hundreds of times, we we don't truly believe that I think he's a genuinely fantastic presenter, and I mean that I I think he's a brilliant presenter. You could argue he's not got the shamaz. Is that the word? I don't know, like he's not got the, you know the. Is that a word, shamaz?
Speaker 2:it's not the old shamaz yeah, the old shamaz you call it.
Speaker 1:You know like like he had got the Jeff Stellings, maybe charm or stuff like that, or the Lineker nod and a wink, or you know the.
Speaker 2:Everyman.
Speaker 1:I don't know like star quality.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, he had got the Everyman quality maybe of the Chap Chappers or even Adrian Chattels some may say for man, because he does what he should be there for yeah, if he has listened to this, which there's no way he will have, but I mean, maybe he will if someone said I didn't exist.
Speaker 1:I'd absolutely listen to it. They might have come after us like Daz Samson. Daz Samson obviously gave us a ring, didn't he, and said what the fuck are you talking about? All I say is Dave, listen to the end we are genuine fans of what you do.
Speaker 2:I mean again, like you say, it sounds a bit disrespectful, though, to say we couldn't think of your name or what you look like. Well it is. That is hugely disrespectful, but I think that's a sign of somebody at the pinnacle of a sports presenter.
Speaker 1:That's what sports presenters do. They're not there to be recognised, are they? You're not the star. You are not the star. Some the star. You are not the facilitator. Some of these content creators that we come across these days need to know that they're there. They are not the star, and I include myself in that as well. Look, I don't think this is real. Obviously, if we were doing this as a conspiracy, do you know some of your research?
Speaker 2:because that's all genuine stuff.
Speaker 1:You've sort of yeah, none of this is lies, by the way, it's absolutely true, it's very hard to find out's very hard to find out where he's born.
Speaker 2:It's very hard to find out how old he is. His background is very sketchy in terms of detail. His Wikipedia page is unbelievably sparse. They are all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did actually do an audience in Sky Sports Premier League games and they stopped as soon as Jones came in.
Speaker 2:actually, Maybe the takeaway from this if any of the Sky execs are listening I think some of them do then make him a bit more of a star.
Speaker 1:Let's see more of Dave Jones although I did see him on Not the Top 28. He was talking about someone against Sheffield United and I thought he was a little bit biased, but obviously, as a Sheffield United fan, I'm going to say that but now I'm joking, obviously. I think let us know in know, let us know, let us know in the comments, as they say, let us know if you've ever met him in person?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and let us know if 100% as well, like I say I don't know.
Speaker 1:If anyone knows him, send him this, and I'll happily have him on and just say look mind you, we won't know unless we.
Speaker 2:I'll happily meet him, he'll meet you, but only in the Sky Sports studio and only if you sit in a certain spot. But now, like, genuinely, I'm kind of conscious that it sounds really disrespectful and it's not meant in that way. So, yeah, we are fans of what he does. Even though he's so good at it, we can't quite remember him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's so good at it.
Speaker 1:We can't quite remember him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fantastic. Anyway, that is the Dave Jones conspiracy. I hope you've enjoyed that. It's probably the maddest thing we've ever done that, to be honest. But well, it's got to be, hasn't it, in fact?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we're saying like the man doesn't exist.
Speaker 1:Imagine if, like doing them conspiracy, we'd actually completely lost it. And then, from like I don't know, you go to our podcast in about a year's time and it's just saying look at sky, I saw you all skies, that used to be like that in my day.
Speaker 1:Um, right next up we've got the uh, we've got a episode special guest matthew leticia and david eichel be joining us on the next one to tell us where he's really running the world. Um, imagine if he is dave. That'd be amazing. He's like, obviously, if this went viral, this podcast and then all of a sudden Letizia gets hold of it, obviously Letizia will have worked with him as well. Letizia should come on here and let us know. Actually, or maybe he's in on it. That's how deep it goes.
Speaker 2:That's massive conspiracy. Letizia is in on a conspiracy. It's a huge conspiracy, isn't it?
Speaker 1:I think it'd be so funny if it, like I don't know in 15 years' time like this, became like a massive conspiracy and Dave Jones doesn't exist. But anyway, next up, we've got our comments midweek made like we've got coming up. Yeah, it's going to be a feedback episode. Well, we've got a massive announcement, haven't we it?
Speaker 2:now we'll see it on the next one um, we've got an absolutely fucking huge announcement. Yeah, I mean, you say that I don't think it'll make any huge difference to anybody's. Oh, it's massive, it's absolutely.
Speaker 1:Uh, the way you consume this podcast. Oh, it's gonna massive. The change that sounds like it's gonna stay. It's gonna stay the same. It's gonna be very similar change that sounds like it's going to stay. It's going to stay the same. It's going to be very similar. But, there is a big announcement. There is a big announcement.
Speaker 2:There is an announcement coming in that feedback episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and then we'll let you know then but thank you for that, liam, and thank you to Dave Jones for giving us so much I'd like. I like the idea of Dave Jones sort of being wanting this to happen. If you know what I mean. He's been leaving clues and stuff like that you said about the Beatles with Paul is dead, like they leave clues on their albums and stuff. I like the idea of Dave Jones like getting rid of his history, so someone wanted to do this to him one day.
Speaker 2:Well, and I hope that like somebody listening thinks yeah, do you know what? You're right? He's not had the attention and he gets like a solo show or something doing, his solo marathons or I don't know what solo marathons let's get.
Speaker 1:Let's see more of him, let's know more about him. Yeah, yep, anyway, thank you, liam.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much and goodbye cheers dude living with me if anyone wants to get in touch with us, send us anything. Find us on twitter at livingwithmade1, or you can send us an email at livingwithmadely at outlookcom.