If You Want Change, Start City By City

If you think the way out is a fight, we want you to hear this first. Heidi argues that a force-first mindset ignores the reality of modern policing, surveillance, and the imbalance of technology, and that it risks turning ordinary people into easy targets. Her alternative is sharper and more practical: stop fantasizing about a single dramatic fix and start doing the unglamorous work of local accountability, where power actually touches your life.

We walk through Heidi’s personal history in the legal world and why she says the system felt “normal” until rapid changes started showing up ahead of major political shifts. From there, the focus tightens on a specific claim: municipal prosecution can be structured like a business. Heidi describes city-by-city contracts that move prosecutors from salaries to pay-for-events models, where filings, pretrials, motions, and even a case simply being set for trial can create a paycheck. If that incentive exists, it can encourage delay, grind people down with repeated court dates, and turn “justice” into a billing schedule.

The episode ends on a moral challenge: the biggest danger isn’t only the people doing harm, but the people in the middle who see it and stay silent. If you care about criminal justice reform, civil liberties, government accountability, and how to create change without violence, this is a hard conversation worth sitting with. Subscribe for more, share this with someone who’s ready to act locally, and leave a review with the one place you think accountability has to start.

Transcript

Why Force Will Fail

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Well, hello there. This is Heidi, and this is the Providing Changes podcast. So I've been um osmosing, that's what I call it, on your guys' predicament. A bunch of guys asked me, What can you do? I said, Well, I wish I would have known you back in 2009 when I started telling you guys, look, it's not my predicament. I started following my advice back then. Um, I don't have a problem. It's you guys that do. So it's gonna have to be you guys that fix it. And I've been going through all of the different possible ways to actually get that done. Uh at this point in time, there's no way you're gonna be able to take it by force. I know there's a lot of people that are like, we're gonna have to fight. Um, that's just gonna get you killed. It's just gonna get you killed. It was unconstitutional when they started giving all of that uh military surplus stuff to the cities. I told everybody that then. That was just portrayed as crazy. Um, but there's no way you guys can't. There might be a civil war, but the people aren't gonna be involved in it. It's gonna be branches of government and um fractured sheriff stations. Shit like that. It's not gonna be that's where the civil war is gonna be. If you're part of that, you're dead. Um, you don't have good enough weapons at this point in time or technology to even fight as many guns as you have. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the god honest truth. Look, you might not even be able to get your guns out of your fucking gun safe that they made law that you must have, because that thing is remotely controlled, and so they're all just gonna lock. That's all on that um denisonal shit. That's all there. So um, if you're gonna take it, there's there's two things that you're gonna have to do. And this is how I suggest, or at least how if I was you, I would um, man, you're losing time. I would start working on it soon. I would get together with like-minded people and start doing it. But the way that they got you was city by city, county by county, state by state. Now I started my law practice May 16th, 2003. When I started my law practice in Seattle, Washington, Everett, Washington, Sonomish County, Washington. Dirtiest, dirty. I'm coming for all you motherfuckers, man. Think you won. Every one of you. Um, dirtiest fucking place. But

Heidi’s Legal Origin Story

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so it was normal. When I start practicing, life seemed what we would presume is normal for that job. Now you gotta remember, go back and listen to the podcast, but I didn't mean to be a lawyer, I was sexually assaulted on the job, just plain pissed, didn't even know I had a doctor or that I had a jurisdictor, that I was a doctor until graduation day when the speaker said it. And I'm like, what, there's doctors here? And the person next to me laughed and said, Did you read your diploma? You're a doctor of law, that's what jurisdiction means, Heidi. Um it's it's amazing you can be so smart and so dumb at the same time. But so I didn't care. Oh, I didn't care about the paper. I or what it meant. What it meant to me was I could fight back. Uh and I was already there, so who who cared about the paper they handed me? But I did read it. But so everything was seemingly normal at the beginning of the 2000s. Now, I went to law school at Gonzaga, and they had masses that seemed creepy, and these were regular, just regular masses, but then they also had black masses. This is when I started realizing we are um being governed by satanic cult people. It was literally 1999 in Spokane, Washington at Gonzaga. Um I didn't take part in any of that stuff. As a matter of fact, that's part of the reason I didn't take part in anything all through my practice. I didn't go to any events, I didn't go to one birthday party. They also hated me for that. I um didn't go to the rotary club to help them do all their shit. I didn't do that stuff, and part of it was because I saw people walk out of there at Black Mass. That room was locked up tight. You had it was by invite only, it was all the top people, and they came out not the same. Just leave it at that. So that's when I started paying attention. Oh, we're being run by cults, those guys are all in charge. They're in charge, not just of the school, but of this area, some of them this state. And so, um, so it wasn't normal, normal, but it felt normal, right? I was starting to realize that it wasn't normal. Uh, but it's still in practice. Cops didn't for drunk driving, they followed the federal law and they waited and waited till you crossed the line three times to make probable cause before they pulled you over, right? Normal stuff. Um, but then fast forward all of a sudden, right before Obama got in office, everything started changing. Uh and what and I didn't know why it was changing at the time. I just knew it was changing, it was changing rapidly and in ways that I didn't really feel comfortable with, and I certainly wasn't joining. If I didn't join when I started, I wasn't joining then. Um so I can tell you the things I know from my database, my things that I saw personally. Um, and that's what I do, is tell you what I saw personally. That's what I've always done. But so what they did first was they came for the cities and the city prosecutors. And what they did was they first tried to buy everybody. And how they did that was they took them off the county payroll and gave them their own essentially prosecutorial law firm and contract it out to them instead, right? So instead of like Jennifer Millette, she is a problem for

The Profit Model Behind Prosecution

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the people, you need to get her. I'll pull, I'll point out who they are if you guys do something about it. Uh but Jennifer Millette started, she went to Gonzaga with me, and she started out at Snohomish County Prosecutor's Office. And there she was just on regular salary payroll, and she was a normal, decent human. And you could talk to her like a normal, decent human, seemingly. She portrayed, strike and rephrase, she portrayed as a normal, reasonable person. But now all of a sudden, it's about 2006, 2007, whenever they so they killed, I think his name was Norm Mailing. The prosecutor that supposedly had a heart attack out of King County. They, I told you, I'll point to who they are, um, hit him with that heart attack gun or some other technology. But so he had a massive heart attack. Things were good until they killed him. So it was about the same time as they're doing this with all the cities. So they were coming for the cities and counties about you know, about the same time, quick as they could. But they started small. Um, and they went in and like Jennifer, okay, let's get back to her. So she went from being a normal prosecutor that if there was no reason to prosecute, she would dismiss to now all of a sudden, she had her own prosecutor law office where she was getting paid for everybody she prosecuted. Every single John Rodobaugh is another one of them. That motherfucker would not even talk to you until trial day, and that's because he was stealing from the county and city and all of the people that they're working from. Um, he would delay everything. Your client would come in with a charge with John, and I didn't know why for a long time. I just went with it. I didn't cause waves in the beginning. Uh, but here's what it was was John moved over to one of those city contracts, and he got paid for so much money if he charged people, and then he got paid so much money if they showed up at pretrial, and then he got paid so much money if they showed up for motions, and then he got paid so much more money if they showed up uh for the like trial confirmation, and then he got paid so much money um if it was set for trial, didn't have to go to trial, it just had to be set for trial. So, what John would do is he would ignore you for all of those pre-things, make your client come back five, six, seven times until it's set for trial. And then on the day of trial, because there's no way he can trial those cases, he's only one person, he could only try one, he dismissed every single case, hundreds of cases he dismissed that day. So every single calendar, John made all those people miss work, made them um have to deal with all of their pretrial stuff. So if you got charged with something where there was a condition, you had to pay for that condition all the way through. You had to be stressed out all the way through till the end. So what they did first was they came in and they took all the Johns that were started out seemingly decent and said, Hey, we're gonna pay you to not be decent. And so that's the first way that you can check on who the they're check and see who's running those contracts. Look into the people who are paid to prosecute you. If they're getting paid because they filed stuff against you and they keep it going, they're not looking for justice, they're looking for a paycheck. They're scumbags. So excuse me, start there. Start in the cities, then get to the counties, then get to the states. That's the only way you're gonna ever be able to take it back. And I'm gonna teach you in my books. And if you if you guys if you shoot the bed here again, it's your own bed. It's not my bed. And I I honestly don't care. I would like to see you win, but I've been through so much trying to help you guys win that if you don't if you guys drown because you just refuse to swim or float, then you're gonna get exactly what you deserve. Here's the deal. We're not in this problem because bad people are bad people. We're in this problem because the good people or people who claim to be good have stepped the fuck back. Here, uh before I get off, because I get when I get off, it's a nice day. And I was trying not to get too worked up. But here, this is what I'm talking about. It's these people and it's their fault. And if you're one of them, it's your fault too. So when I

The Cost Of Staying Silent

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realized what had happened at my office, um, I knew that all of the lawyers that were in there working and all of the employees that were still around, they knew there was no way that those guys could have set me up that fucking bad without everybody in the vicinity knowing what the fuck was going on. Period. No way it could have been done. They um it took too much work. So anybody who walked through that office knew something was wrong. You walked through it thrice, you probably knew what something that was. You walked through it three times and you knew who was fucking doing it. Period. And so when I still thought maybe I'd stay back and fight all of this before I consulted my Bible properly, I went in and I said to everybody, I want um declarations, sworn declarations, right fucking now what you know. And if you don't give me one, the only reason would be is because you're fucking part of it. So start writing, folks. And so some people did give me those. They didn't want to be part of, they told me what they knew, what they had seen from their desk, all that shit. But there was one guy who worked for Catherine Abel who was part of he was a paralegal, he's actually a gay guy, kind of liked him. Um, but he opened my eyes a lot as to who the true scumbags are. And it's not the people doing this, they're they're bad, but they're going to hell for sure. It's you folks in the middle that really need to not just watch out for your country, but your soul. Period. So when I Doug, his name's Doug. So when I went over to Doug and I'm like, write, write down what you know. I know that you fucking know. And he's like, Heidi, I can't. I'm like, then you're part of it. And he's like, Heidi, I was never part of it, and I wouldn't do that to you. But I can't write on a declaration what I know. And I'm like, well, why is that? He's like, because I have a dog too. There are other people who love their dogs and don't want their dogs killed like yours was. What they did to me was horrific, and it was a warning that everybody needed to stay the fuck back, or it was gonna be horrific for you too. And so if you're somebody who shuts up watching a good person go through what I went through, and you sit the fuck back because you don't want your dog killed, don't be surprised when your family is. Okay. I'm gonna leave it there. I'm mighty. Surviving changes.