T-Square Dad's Brown Bag

#032 - I thought it would be fun - A Landscape Architect story

Kyle Baker and Dieter Borrell Season 3 Episode 6

Welcome to our podcast. If you're new to our podcast, the podcast was created by two Architect that felt they needed to  share their experience and hardships not only in our profession but in life and family.

On today's episode we invited Alan Holt, he is a licensed Landscape Architect with more than a quarter century experience, licensed in over a quarter of the continental united states. He joins us from his RV just outside of Glacier National park, Montana. He is a graduate from the University of Georgia. Go dawgs!! Don't forget to visit his website at www.30alandscapearchitect.com. 

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Welcome to the T ^2 dad's Brown Bag podcast. Here's your host, Kyle Baker and Dieter Burrell.

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OK, Alan.

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Hey, Dieter, it's been a long time.

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I thank you for joining us in this podcast.

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I wanted to bring you in and have you tell us a little bit about your story, what got you into landscape architecture.

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What school did you go to, and how long did you did it take for you to get licensed and how things are going and where you where you're at now?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I guess the the real story is I graduated high school in 85 and wasn't sure what I wanted to do.

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So I worked a bunch of different jobs.

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I worked sales and I worked as a janitor and I worked all different odd jobs, and then I ended up working for a landscape company just as a laborer.

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It was run by two landscape architects, and I thought, man, this is the coolest.

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Job ever.

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You get to draw and design and you get to see it put in the ground and you get to see it grow and you get to maintain it.

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I'm like, man, I want to do.

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So I went to Georgia State for a couple of years and got some of my undergraduate requirements knocked out and then I transferred to University of Georgia and got in landscape architecture school there.

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And I was never a fantastic student or anything.

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I was always kind of BC.

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Student until I got in landscape architecture school and I think I only got 1B. The whole town is in landscape architecture school just cause I I loved it so much and I was so excited about it and got.

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Out in 91, which was a little bit of a tough time for the architecture and landscape architecture, business found a job up in Nashville, I guess thankfully a lot of guys now don't have to work like we did back then because it was, you know, 6080 hundred hour weeks all nighters.

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Once a month it was tough, but I learned a lot of stuff and made a lot of good contacts.

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One of the companies I worked with at that company is still a client of mine now.

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So I've been working with them for 30 something years and then I worked for them for five years, went to another company in Knoxville, worked for them for two years, and then had the opportunity to come back to Panama City.

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My mom still lives in.

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Panama City so moved back there.

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Worked for design, build, maintain company and then broke out on my own, started my own business.

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And 2000, most of the cause I didn't know any.

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Better and.

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It's it's worked out OK, we're actually, I know I've got my background blurred right now, but we're sitting in our RV in just outside of Glacier National Park in Montana.

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Oh my gosh, that's awesome.

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So we work remote and work all over.

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The place and.

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Still work on a ton of projects and I'm have a totally remote team.

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I've got like 6 guys that work for me on a contract basis.

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And I just managed them remote so.

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Worked out pretty good.

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It's funny that when I first heard about Alan Holt landscape architect was I think I may have been working with was it BTA?

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I think it was.

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That I was introduced to you.

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Gosh, that's.

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I went, I started working at BT in 2003 to 2009 or 8 or something like.

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That, and I remember, I think you you you were part of one one of the projects or one or two projects maybe and then I think when I when I when I went from there and you know your license and.

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How many states?

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15 right.

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Now 15.

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Do you have to pursue your CPU's for your landscape architecture? Is that is that something?

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That's required.

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Great. Yeah, sure is. I just got done with all my Texas CPU's this weekend. So, but yeah, I have to. They all have different renewal dates and they all have different requirements and I end up.

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When probably 24 or more a year, just because of all the different states that I'm licensed in to.

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Keep up with it all.

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Oh, that. You know, that's right. Now that now it's it's coming to me. I think it was 2008.

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We did the F35 at Eglin Air Force Base and you were the last camp architect on that one project which is, which is funny because for these military jobs, they just don't want plantings.

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Right.

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It's a right now hydroseed spec.

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That's about the extent of the.

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And then they have that temporary irrigation for one year.

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And right not.

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Nine out of 10 times, the contractor leaves the piping in the on site and never picks it up, and they're left of having to pick up the.

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And you know, it's kind of it's it's funny because the military just does certain things differently because of all all that ATP stuff.

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But and I think I think when I was working.

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What was it?

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Uh, prime it.

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Now it's called prime E, but it was it was, uh, Carlos something.

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No, what was it?

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Those, of course, architectural group, I think.

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I think we may have reached out to you.

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I'm not sure I know when I worked at still we we we we we reach out to you and do stuff with you together.

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How long did it take you to to?

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Get licensed was it was.

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It something really easy or was it a pretty?

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Hassle cause I know there's a hassle.

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Yeah, it was a challenge.

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And I guess it's the same with architecture.

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You have to work under a licensed landscape architect for so long.

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And that was a, in hindsight, a mistake that I made going to Tennessee because in Tennessee it's four years.

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You have to work for somebody for four years before you can even sit for the exam.

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Them and they have to write you a letter of recommendation that says that they feel that you're competent to sit for the exam, got around that one.

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Right.

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I went to Georgia where they only had a one year requirement.

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I drive down to Atlanta and take the test down there and it it was a challenge and and then they changed the formatting of the test.

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On us because it used to be, it was a four day test and it had 7 sections and I passed six of them.

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Then they reformatted the test and I had to go back and take.

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Three of them over again.

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Yeah, but yeah, it ended.

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Up ended up taking me five years before I finally passed all the sections of the landscape architecture examined in some states.

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And I think like you got Golden Gate Bridge behind you, I think California has a special section for architects, right?

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Yeah, so same thing for landscape architecture.

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There's a lot of states like Florida has a section, Georgia has a section.

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Ohh Louisiana has a section that was fun.

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I had to actually.

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Go to camp.

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Was at LSU in identify plant material on the campus and it was a handwritten pencil and paper test.

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And that was like just two years ago.

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I took that test and yeah, so every almost not every state.

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Probably half the states have their own sections, but.

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Then I have to renew every year and.

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All that, yeah.

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Now I know for some of you guys listening out there.

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I would have thought it would have been a lot easier for landscape architects.

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You know, it's like you don't have to worry about these life safety code analysis and all this other crazy nonsense materials.

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But you you guys have to deal with different plants, different soils, different, you know areas in the state, temperature, climate, all that kind of good stuff up.

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So it's so it's got to be like a.

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People say, oh, I'm gonna be a veterinarian and.

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It's a it's a lot harder because then you have different breeds and it it's almost like the same identical, you know, problem you end up having because you have all this, all these intricate plants that you have to worry about, you know, surviving the climate.

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Great. Yeah.

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And all that stuff. So.

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So that's that's good to know that it does take you know some amount now probably now they're doing all like web-based testing.

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Right, yeah.

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If you listen to any of your any interns that that you may work with or something like that, I'm.

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Sure, it's totally different now.

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You know than it is than it was when you when you took.

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It and passed it.

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So is it is it?

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Right.

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Is it something it is?

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Is it more digital or is it?

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Do they have still have?

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To go do.

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The paper test or is it gone?

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Yeah, it's from what I understand, it's all online now.

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So it's multiple choice testing online.

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And then I think it's basically like a, a CAD based drawing for the construction detailing section.

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And I think for the site planning section also.

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That's good.

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So you said you said you graduated from Georgia, right?

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Was it Georgia Tech or?

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Right.

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No University of Georgia.

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I couldn't get in.

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Georgia Tech.

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I'm not that smart.

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You know, statistically, you know, you know, the people that are more likely to open their own business or the people that.

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Are C average you know?

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It's a it's the funniest thing everybody says is like, you know, I always hear people.

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It's like the straight A student is, they're they're they're going to get an easy pass and and the reality.

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He is I I think I spoke to a A was it a a client and the client says yeah, you hire you hire engineers because they're always looking at the safety factor, the how it's gonna fail.

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How's gonna fail in business.

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You can't be looking at.

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How everything's going to?

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Fail you just.

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Take a chance and and and and.

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Go with the.

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Flow and it's sometimes, you know, a gut feeling and you, you, you, you succeed and people that are more stubborn, which are usually the see the see average student that are usually the ones that are more stubborn and say, hey, I'm gonna stick through this.

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I don't care if I have to take this Class 3 three times.

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I'm gonna.

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Go ahead and I'm going to get my license and I'm going to get my degree or whatever it takes and and some people just can't make it in the field.

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Look at you.

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You you've been doing this now.

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Gosh, what?

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33 years.

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33 years.

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It's long, long, long time, and your your spectrum of of having done from like governmental, DoD projects all the way down to probably residential or retail.

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I mean you tell me it's like if I'm if I'm saying that correctly.

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Right.

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Yeah, I've been fortunate that I have.

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The just a broad variety of projects.

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I've always liked the challenge of doing different types of projects and like, like you said, the military projects, they have their own challenges cause you gotta really think about, you know, all that force protection and those kinds of things with the design.

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But you still want it to look good.

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So it's it's a challenge.

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But yeah, residential is what I really enjoy right now.

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I'm doing a lot of stuff that watercolor and Rosemary and Alice Beach and all that stuff and.

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Do pools and hot tubs and fire pits and there's those get to be complicated drawing sets?

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They're they're not just a planting plan.

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They're, you know, 5 or 6 pages of pool details and all that kind of stuff.

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Do you have a website that people?

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Can go to.

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Yeah, it's 38 landscapearchitect.com.

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30 A landscape architects.

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OK.

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Well, that's good to know that way some of the some of the listeners that are out there and then they're in need of a landscape architect with some really cool creative designs that can reach out to you and and you guys can check him out on.

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On his website.

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The one thing that was really tough for me when I when, when and you know, just recently I think was a summer of 21.

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I I went out on my own and it was just, I think for me it was not letting everyone know that I was doing it, but it was more like understanding the the, the taxes and the the employment laws and and all this stuff that goes behind, you know, behind running a business.

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Great point.

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That I feel I'm still kind of struggling through it being, you know, my second beginning of my third year kind of going going on my own and you know pursuing contracts you know reaching out to my to to to newer clients and you know trying to pursue think I was trying to pursue this.

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Like 3 year master degree.

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Meant and just knowing the, you know, recalling some of the stuff that I did when I was in, I was an intern in some of the offices that I worked at.

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I mean, I kind of ran across different states, worked in different different different states.

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Arizona, Florida, I've, I've, you know, I've done work in Las Vegas, so.

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It's like just a spectrum of things in, in different offices.

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It's just a a learning curve and I think it's same probably the same thing with you.

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You you haven't gone through all that learning come from, you know, doing Tennessee stuff all the way down the.

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More than Texas, I've heard to say.

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Have you done anything California?

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Have you done?

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Any projects in California?

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Now I try to stick with the Southeast because I'm real comfortable with the the climate and the plants and the building materials and all that stuff in the Southeast.

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I just had a client today asked me to go look at a project in Montana and I'm.

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Thinking long and hard about whether I really want to do that or not because it's plant palette up here is so different from Florida, so I'll say I'll I'll keep you posted on that but yeah, but starting your own business especially it's hard with I guess it's any professional practice because you're so focused on the art of what you do and what you went to school.

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For and you don't think about, you know, all the tax forms you gotta fill out and all the hoops you gotta jump through to make the government happy and all that kind of.

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Stuff and that's.

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Especially when you start trying to grow, it's a challenge because you got to, you know, you have to kind of let go of.

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The hands on design all the time in order to market and manage and all those things, and you know I've grown my business.

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When when we were working together, I had a bunch of employees.

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I had a big office and.

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I had gotten to where I just really didn't get to do landscape architecture anymore. I went to meetings and I marketed and I reviewed other people's drawings, but I never got to draw and I almost forgot how to run AutoCAD. I had had to reteach myself how to run AutoCAD.

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Wow. Oh my God.

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So now so.

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Now now.

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Where, where are you in your profession?

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Have you kind of gotten rid of all that stuff?

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You kind of just work with contract and with other other landscape architects.

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You're traveling.

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Looks like you're traveling, so.

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Right.

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Yeah, that's that's probably a subject for a whole another podcast.

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How you can work remote from all over the country like we've been doing.

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But yeah, that's. I just.

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I decided I didn't want to ever have to fire everybody again, cause in 2008 I had to fire all my staff and it was even like my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law and my wife.

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And so I don't want to have to do that.

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Ever again.

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So I've just been.

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Using contractors and that way I don't have to worry.

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About, you know, if they only want to work 30 hours a week, fantastic.

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And you know, and I don't have anything, I want to work on this week because I'm waiting on contracts or whatever.

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I don't have to come up with busy work to fill up their time, and they don't have to look busy.

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They just go do something else.

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Go hang out with their family or whatever.

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Yeah, that that's a good thing about what I call it, the the freelance mentality.

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And I think I said this on another podcast, James Jameson from Spiderman.

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He says freelance freelance.

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That's the best job.

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Don't need the job? Freelance.

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As the top people.

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But anyways on that note, thank you for joining me, Alan, with you know Alan, Halt, license landscape architect and you can kind of follow him at what is it WWW dot.

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30 a landscapearchitect.com.

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Awesome. Thank you, Alan.

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All right.

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Thanks a lot, dear.

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Appreciate the opportunity.

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Alright, take take care.

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Bye bye.

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