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Welcome to the Multiply"},{"startTime":6.3,"endTime":7.499,"body":"Network Podcast."},{"startTime":7.5,"endTime":8.609,"body":"My name is Paul Fraser."},{"startTime":8.61,"endTime":10.829,"body":"Thanks so much for tuning in today."},{"startTime":10.83,"endTime":12.749,"body":"We're in the second part of"},{"startTime":12.75,"endTime":15.719,"body":"our series of Eight Objections"},{"startTime":15.72,"endTime":17.699,"body":"to Church Multiplication."},{"startTime":17.7,"endTime":19.769,"body":"We had a great podcast last time"},{"startTime":19.77,"endTime":23.099,"body":"with our new co-host,"},{"startTime":23.1,"endTime":24.299,"body":"Michael Bronson."},{"startTime":24.3,"endTime":26.099,"body":"Michael, come on and join me."},{"startTime":26.1,"endTime":27.959,"body":"Thanks so much for being"},{"startTime":27.96,"endTime":29.819,"body":"the co-host with me on these"},{"startTime":29.82,"endTime":31.619,"body":"Eight Objections for Church"},{"startTime":31.62,"endTime":32.519,"body":"Multiplication."},{"startTime":32.52,"endTime":34.199,"body":"How are you doing today?"},{"startTime":34.2,"endTime":35.939,"body":"I'm doing well, absolutely."},{"startTime":35.94,"endTime":37.469,"body":"So the real question is, how are you"},{"startTime":37.47,"endTime":39.449,"body":"doing with all your allergies from"},{"startTime":39.45,"endTime":40.379,"body":"last time?"},{"startTime":40.38,"endTime":41.489,"body":"I feel good. (Laughter) I'm so"},{"startTime":42.78,"endTime":44.609,"body":"grateful for all the feedback that"},{"startTime":44.61,"endTime":46.199,"body":"I got on this."},{"startTime":46.2,"endTime":47.939,"body":"It's just, so many people have"},{"startTime":47.94,"endTime":50.279,"body":"responded back with ideas on"},{"startTime":50.28,"endTime":51.318,"body":"how to help with the allergies."},{"startTime":51.319,"endTime":52.319,"body":"So, thank you. We"},{"startTime":54.03,"endTime":56.219,"body":"have not made any way, any headway"},{"startTime":56.22,"endTime":58.229,"body":"with Claritin or Reactine,"},{"startTime":58.23,"endTime":59.369,"body":"or anything like that, or any of the"},{"startTime":59.37,"endTime":61.379,"body":"allergy medications."},{"startTime":61.38,"endTime":63.389,"body":"Paul, we've been praying and fasting"},{"startTime":63.39,"endTime":64.649,"body":"for you, bro. We've been praying and"},{"startTime":64.65,"endTime":66.929,"body":"fasting for you. 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What do you think?"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":179.91,"endTime":181.709,"body":"Well, I'm really grateful that I"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":181.71,"endTime":183.269,"body":"don't have to think very much about"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":183.27,"endTime":184.699,"body":"this, because we're bringing on a"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":184.7,"endTime":185.7,"body":"guest."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":186.96,"endTime":189.269,"body":"His name is Jim Molloy,"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":189.27,"endTime":191.489,"body":"and he's the Executive Director"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":191.49,"endTime":193.229,"body":"at the Maritimes District for the"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":193.23,"endTime":195.389,"body":"Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":195.39,"endTime":197.279,"body":"He's an excellent bass fisherman."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":197.28,"endTime":199.379,"body":"He knows how to do construction."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":200.58,"endTime":202.529,"body":"He's married, with three"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":202.53,"endTime":203.907,"body":"boys, so he loves quadding - But"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":205.23,"endTime":206.23,"body":"there, they call it four-wheeling."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":208.29,"endTime":209.639,"body":"I'm not sure what the difference is,"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":209.64,"endTime":210.762,"body":"but we call it quadding here - And"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":211.77,"endTime":213.599,"body":"he's a business mogul"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":213.6,"endTime":215.759,"body":"and social media guru."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":216.9,"endTime":218.819,"body":"(Laughter) The list goes on and on"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":218.82,"endTime":220.019,"body":"and on."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":220.02,"endTime":221.819,"body":"Jim Molloy, welcome to the Multiply"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":221.82,"endTime":222.82,"body":"Network Podcast."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":223.53,"endTime":224.97,"body":"Hey, guys. Good to be here."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":225.99,"endTime":228.029,"body":"So, Michael asked"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":228.03,"endTime":230.219,"body":"me, Hey, what do you think about"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":230.22,"endTime":231.22,"body":"this objection?"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":234.0,"endTime":235.949,"body":"And so before I share my"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":235.95,"endTime":237.689,"body":"thoughts, we wanted to hear from an"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":237.69,"endTime":238.919,"body":"expert."},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":238.92,"endTime":239.699,"body":"So why?"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":239.7,"endTime":241.679,"body":"Like, why is this"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":241.68,"endTime":243.097,"body":"objection even around?"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":243.098,"endTime":244.098,"body":"Like, I"},{"speaker":"So Objection Number Two","startTime":245.18,"endTime":246.439,"body":"don't know --. 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You replace it."},{"speaker":"In Acts 11","startTime":1981.23,"endTime":1982.099,"body":"No, no, no."},{"speaker":"In Acts 11","startTime":1982.1,"endTime":1984.289,"body":"We need many new churches."},{"speaker":"In Acts 11","startTime":1984.29,"endTime":1986.209,"body":"Our communities need many new"},{"speaker":"In Acts 11","startTime":1986.21,"endTime":1987.949,"body":"churches. 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