Pastor Podcast - Zechariah 10-11 - Follow The Faithful Shepherd

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Drift is subtle. One day you look up and realize you’re farther from shore than you ever meant to be. That’s the spiritual warning we can’t ignore as we walk through Zechariah 10–11 and ask a direct question: are we following the faithful shepherd, Jesus, or are we getting shaped by foolish voices that cannot give life?

We talk about what it means to “ask rain from the Lord” and why, in Zechariah’s world, rain equals life, provision, and hope. From there, we explore how easy it is to look for direction, security, and joy in modern “idols” that promise clarity but deliver confusion. We also unpack the powerful images Zechariah gives us for Christ: the cornerstone as our foundation, the tent peg as our anchor, the battle bow as our defender, and the ruler who deserves our trust.

Then we move into Zechariah 11 and the sobering picture of rejection, including the thirty pieces of silver that foreshadow Judas and expose how cheaply people can treat the work of God. We dig into the two staffs, Favor and Union, and why faithful shepherding produces beauty, blessing, and unity rather than division. We close by making it personal: we’re not only responsible for who we follow, but also for how we influence others at home, at church, and online.

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Transcript

Welcome Back And Easter Reflections

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Well, hey, Lifehouse family. Welcome back to our Monday time with Pastor Mark. We took a week off. Feels like it's been, I don't know, for me, it feels like a year, but it does.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Time flies, but it's a beautiful time of year, spring. Yes. Sun's been shining. Uh the flowering trees are blooming. I know a lot of people get allergies. Thankfully, I don't. I do have poison ivy. So all over me, it's not contagious, but it's kind of been uncomfortable for a couple of days.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

A big hug this Sunday, right? So but yeah, Easter. We had a blessed Easter weekend and we took some time off. But any reflections, you know, how we've kind of been journeying.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah, just feel so blessed as as the Lord continues to send people to us. And as I always say, you know, we want to steward well that opportunity. Like it's a big thing when the Lord sends people, men, women, families, through the doors of our church building. And we don't want to just we we want to make the most of that opportunity. And so he continues to do that. Was blessed yesterday, Sunday morning, to interact with several people who had come on Easter and who came back again and prayed with them. So yeah, just very thankful, excited about what God is doing here, and look forward to what's in store.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Yep. And then if this is your first time checking us out, if you are new, we certainly hope this is a time just to go deeper in what we're studying on Sundays, really getting into more nitty-gritty. As we always say, 30 minutes, you know, is goes quick, right? Absolutely Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

So we really want to take some time and well, I will say, so this is kind of like on the the the the after, like the the following the sermon, but I did mention Sunday morning, and this would have been one of those weeks that it would have been so good to read the scripture, the passage prior to coming.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Because there is so much. So we preached through Zechariah chapter 10 and 11, and there's a lot. I mean, and it is fascinating, and there is just no way possible that we can fit everything in. So my goal is just to kind of sum up, you know, and communicate the heart of what I believe is being communicated in here, which was to follow the faithful shepherd, to not be distracted and following foolish shepherds or ultimately the fake shepherd. Those are the three points. But it just would have been very practical and a good thing. And I would charge our congregation, anybody, to really, as you hear Rob exhort our congregation to bring our worship, like to be prepared, right? Not just, you know, emotionally, you know, to wake up early enough and so that you're not just dragging in, but really knowing, you know, we we communicate ahead of time with our weekly email what's going to be preached on that Sunday before. And it's expository preaching. So we're not preaching topics, but scripture. There's topics in scripture, but to really prepare and to read the passage beforehand, to at least familiarize yourself with it. Come with your questions. Hopefully that will be answered in the sermon, or just so that you're familiar. It would have been a good week to do that.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Yes.

Come Prepared And Bring Questions

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Because there's just so much in Zechariah 10 and 11. But yeah, this is on the flip side where we even further the conversation. So do both, right? Watch this podcast after the sermon, but read the passage of scripture prior to the sermon and then stay engaged and focused, take notes in the sermon as well. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

And we encourage questions, you know, certainly after the service or email us, you know, if there's something we can answer on this time. I think we're both glad to absolutely have any questions. We hope we address a lot more during this time, but we love to help our congregation grow.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

You know, like you say, I would say please do that. I actually, you know, I take my job and my calling so seriously in preaching. Jesus said, feed my sheep. And there's so much time that goes into praying and studying and researching the scriptures. You know, it's almost kind of a downer to me when the sermon's over because I've just been filling and consuming and meditating on the scripture. I want to talk about it. I may not be able to answer the questions that people have, but I would love to engage. I always tell my wife, like, you know, let's talk about, you know, this passage, like, you know, after I preached it. Like, what did you learn? What did you see? And it's not because I want her to tell me, oh, you know, good job preaching. I just, it's just become my life for that week. And so it's kind of a bummer that it's over. So I would say to just kind of reiterate what Nate is saying, if you have questions or want to talk more about the sermon, please email, please call, please come to the church. Let's sit down and talk more about it. Would actually be a blessing to me.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Yep. So that's why we have connect groups opportunities to continue to engage. Don't just come Sunday and then, you know, walk away and not simply let it fill you up. So we better get into Zechariah 10 and 11. Uh all day, and everybody's gonna be like, we ain't listening to these guys. Zechariah 10 and 11. I think we see such a contrast here, you know, chapter 10, the redeeming, faithful shepherd, and then 11, what it doesn't look like. Yeah. What we see in so many earthly, you know, leaders, unfortunately, that continues to our day. So many people who will just take people in the wrong direction. It's always rough to see, but the Lord's giving us a clear contrast here.

In The Way Or Led Astray

SPEAKER_01 5:11

So I think a good uh question to consider is, you know, as you assess your life, are you, as I talked about Sunday, are you in the way, essentially following Jesus, or in some way, shape, or form led astray? And, you know, following Jesus, being in the way is not something that you do by accident. Like it takes action, like it requires submission, it requires surrender. Like, you know, I think about you know, going to the beach and getting in the ocean and that tide that's there and correlating that with the tide and the pull of the world. Like, you know, it's happened to me, I'm sure you've probably been there yourself, where you go into the ocean and all of a sudden you find yourself in a place that you didn't intend to be, like maybe further out than you wanted to be. Like you can literally, it's a dangerous thing. The tide can take you out. The same thing is true in the world. And so I think we need to be aware of that. And we might not do things intentionally, but find ourselves in places that we don't want to be. And like, I think it's important to know and understand that and to be intentional. Following Jesus is not just something that you're gonna do by accident, it requires action, diligence, it requires effort. Again, submission and surrender. But yeah, so are you in the way or are you led astray? You know, are you where you're supposed to be? But here's the thing that's also important, what's addressed in these two chapters is those who have been led astray were leading other people astray. And the Lord warns his people of that too. And Jesus, during his earthly ministry, confronted and made it absolutely abundantly clear he's not okay with his people being led astray, right? You know, he said, woe to this the Pharisees, right? And the scribes who were leading the people astray in the name of religion, right? And saying and claiming to be the experts who were leading people astray. He called them blind guides. He said, Woe to you. Jesus said, like, if you cause one of the least of these to stumble who believe, it's better for you that a millstone be tied around your neck and you be cast into the depths of the sea. And that was strong language, you know, meaning and to get our attention, because he's not okay with his children, the people that he loves being led astray, his people. And so, yeah, I mean, the the first opening, I love that exhortation. So when he said, ask rain from the Lord, chapter 10, verse 1, right? Because the Lord is the one who makes the storm clouds, the Lord is the one who gives the showers of rain. And so, you know, that's something that's kind of contextually hard for us to maybe first understand because we don't like rain normally. Like if we have a baseball game or a or a church event, even like we don't want it to rain, and we pray like send the rain away so that we can do what we want to do. But in their context, rain was life. Like, I don't, I don't think that they could probably have even fathomed someone praying for the rain, rain to go away. Like it was no, send the rain so that we can, so that our crops can grow, so that we can eat, so that our animals can drink, you know, and we can, you know, milk them and you know, so that we have meat to eat. And so rain was life for them. And so essentially, when he's exhorting them to ask rain from the Lord, he's almost saying, like, ask life from the Lord. Like, don't look to anyone or anything else, trust in any. They were doing all sorts of things as a people in Zechariah's day, right? From household gods, meaning idols, right, being influenced by the world and the cultures that surrounded them, who had false gods and deities in their homes, very superstitious, and they would pray to these household littly gods. No, they utter nonsense. And then these necromancers and these spiritualists, like, you know, oh, they had dreams and they're promising rain when they had no business promising rain. Rain doesn't come from them, it comes from God. Don't ask the necromancer or the the false prophets, essentially. Look to the Lord for everything, trust in the Lord, follow the Lord. Are you in the way? Like, so I guess one thing to consider are you giving ear to, you know, listening to, trusting in other things when you should be trusting the Lord, the maker, the sustainer. You know, I love when he gets into like from him come the cornerstone. From him come, I think it's verse four. Yeah, from him come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, which is a unique thing. And again, all these point to the work, the ministry, the identity of the Lord. We sing all these songs because it's in the New Testament clearly tied, Jesus is the cornerstone. There is no other 1 Corinthians 3, 11, I think it is. There's no other foundation that can be laid other than that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ. He is the cornerstone. From the Lord comes the cornerstone, he is the cornerstone. But then it goes, he is the temp peg. From him come the temp peg. And that's kind of an interesting, we've never kind of heard that title in our context. But man, Jesus is our temp peg, and that is profound. Like, I think maybe a way to understand what that means is he's like our anchor. Yes. Right? He keeps us secure, right? If you don't have, if you have a tent and you don't have the tent peg or stake, that tent is falling down. And so he's our tent peg. Like, and that's a good thing. That's not a demeaning or derogatory term in referring to our Lord. And it's interesting we don't sing any songs about Jesus being our temp peg, but he is, and you know, we should be thankful for that. Our battle bow, like he fights for us, protects us, you know, he he guards us. And, you know, every ruler comes from him. Like all things, I think of a Romans 11, 36, all things are from him, through him, and to him. Like, why would we look to or follow anyone else? Follow the faithful shepherd. I mean, and I know I've said a lot, but what are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Yeah, we have modern pop-up tense, but even those, if you don't put that stake in the ground in the wind or anytime a wind, a gust of wind comes, a gust. Yeah, it's not going to be good. So, yeah, just thinking of that illustration of just anchor, foundation, and all that we need in life. Too much we're getting, you know, are we trusting in chariots or are we trusting in the Lord, you know, for provision, for direction, all of these things? Where are we going? And too often we want to, you know, and we'll get into, you know, there's faithful shepherds in the world that we're to follow, you know, but are you looking to others for your sufficiency, for your even joy and happiness? What are the things that are anchoring your life? And are they God that you're going to those? Or are you seeking those from man in some way? And I think he's really calling. Ask rain from the Lord.

Ask Rain From The Lord

SPEAKER_01 11:45

I mean, we can follow people who follow the faithful shepherd. I mean, people like Paul, the Apostle Paul says, follow me as I follow Christ, but ultimately Paul never said, place your faith and trust in me. Don't ask me for rain, so to speak. No, ask Jesus. Like Paul was all about pointing people to Jesus, right? The Lamb of God, our Savior. Let's let's transition or talk about a little bit of Zechariah 11. One of the things that I think is so fascinating about the book of Zechariah, I mean, it's literally blowing my mind in a good way, is just how there's all these direct correlations to Jesus. And so, you know, it probably wasn't as clear to them. I mean, this is hundreds of years before the birth of Christ that Zechariah is penning these words. We're on the other side of the life and ministry of Jesus. And so we can see and hear the things that Jesus said and even that the apostles wrote in the epistles that totally tie everything that's written in Zechariah to Jesus. I mean, there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And it's interesting how the Lord in Zechariah chapter 11 charges Zechariah specifically to shepherd the people, right? Because there were all these foolish shepherds who were unfaithful and leading the people astray, the Lord says, okay, Zechariah, shepherd the people who are, because of their foolish shepherds, doomed to the slaughter. Like they're being led astray, shepherd them. And they essentially reject Zechariah, right? You know, he has these two staffs, he names one favor and one union, which really represent those are good things, right? Favor can also be translated, beauty, pleasant. Like I'm gonna be a shepherd who like ushers in beauty, delight, favor, right? And union, meaning unity, like reconciliation. Like those are two good things. Like this is what marked the ministry. Like Jesus wanted to bring people together, wanted to give abundant life, pleasant favor. You know, so it's all pointing to the ministry of Jesus, but they rejected Zechariah in Zechariah's day. This is all foreshadowing Jesus's rejection during his life and ministry. But interestingly enough, it says that, you know, when when all was said and done, uh Zechariah said, All right, I'm done with you. Like, you know, you're not gonna follow me, even though I have a heart for you as a people to shepherd you in faithfulness to God. So he said, if you want to pay me, pay me. Pay me my wages. If you don't, don't, you know, and so what they end up doing is paying him 30 pieces of silver, which is at the same amount that Judas was paid. And that amount is very specific and symbolic to the to us. We might just think, okay, 30 pieces of silver, 20 pieces of silver, like you know, 50 pieces of silver, you know. But essentially that was throwing shade on Zechariah, saying it was it was like what they would have paid for a wounded slave, a good for nothing, so to speak, slave who was injured or old. And so it was prescribed that they would pay that amount, which meant like what they were saying was, we don't value you at all. Like you did nothing for us. We don't want you to shepherd us. And so they paid him 30 pieces of silver. That's essentially what they did to Jesus and what Judas did, you know. John 1.11 said, Jesus came to his own. He said in John 10, I am the good shepherd. I am the good shepherd. You know, my sheep follow me, but but they were the he came to his own, but his own would not receive him. They rejected him. And so it is fascinating how Zechariah's ministry, even with the 30 pieces of silver, but then throwing that silver, you know, into the temple like Judas did, and then buying the potter's field, we see that word in Zechariah chapter 11. I mean, it all just is so directly connected and tied in such a fascinating, really glorious way.

Zechariah 11 And Jesus Rejected

SPEAKER_00 15:43

I agree. And just that pointing forward, like you say, so much. I know you get to briefly touch on it yesterday, but that gives us a much fuller idea, both of like it's a cheap price, you know, and not only just fulfilling that prophecy, but the symbology of what it meant to, you know, kind of just dismissively not value the work, the work of Christ by the Pharisees, the Jewish leadership. Disregard.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

In fact, he says, you know, he didn't use the word reject in Zechariah, but detest. Like in rejecting Jesus, they detested Jesus. Jesus said, they will hate me or they will hate you just like they hated me. I mean, essentially, these religious leaders, these foolish shepherds, hated, detested the Messiah that they claimed to be longing and waiting for, right? And so it was fulfilled just like just like Zechariah modeled, you know, and that played out in Zechariah's life, that foreshadowed what would actually take place in the life and ministry of Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Any thoughts on the staff, too? Like you said, beauty and union, I kind of view those as this is what God wants for his people. This is if you are following the faithful shepherd, like there's beauty, there's provision, there's favor, right, and there's unity. You know, there's not this divisiveness, there's not this division that we so often see. Absolutely. That's not what God desires for his people, but following a faithless shepherd, and I think we could even extract into the people we follow, if they're divisive or if they're always negative and not extolling the beauty and joy of the Lord, like that kind of really points, they're not shepherding with those things.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Yeah. So let's talk about both, because I mean, there's two, there's just so much. I mean, we could go on and on, but first that that idea of favor. Again, pleasantness, beauty. I mean, Jesus says I've come that you might have life and have it more abundantly. What he's describing is a life of favor, of beauty, of pleasantness, fullness in his beatitudes. Blessed are those who are poor in spirit. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness. Theirs is the kingdom of God. To be a part of the kingdom of God, in essence, being in the way means peace, joy, favor, beauty, like fullness. It doesn't mean ease or comfort necessarily, but it means life, eternal life. And so this describes the ministry and what it means to be a part of and an experience in following Jesus. Favor. We can say more about that. Do you want to say anything before I transition to union?

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah, we're just seeing, again, falling into that, if we are following the faithful shepherd, this is what that shepherd, God as our shepherd, Christ as our shepherd, wants for us. So yeah, he facilitates.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Yeah. I mean, he facilitates.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Not a prosperity gospel, but there is a favor. There is a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Is good. Right? The really the word that's translated as blessed can also be translated as fortunate, right? Fortunate are the poor in spirit. Like it really to be a part of the kingdom of God is a blessed experience, a fortunate, favorable thing, right? It's not a bummer. It's not a drag. Like I wouldn't trade anything for being a part of the kingdom of God. It is a favorable. The second thing is union. And like Paul addresses this using different terms, but in Ephesians, he says that God is entrusted to him and to really all who believe the ministry of reconciliation. And there's two aspects of reconciliation. One is through Christ we are reconciled unto God, like united, but also to one another, right? In Ephesians, it talks about how through Christ the dividing wall of hostility, right? Those things that would separate and divide people have been torn down. Like he brings people together in such a beautiful way, unites people. This is reflected in Jesus' garden prayer, right? When he says, Oh Father, make them one in the same way that we're one. Make them one, like united, union, so that the world may believe it's an impactful unity. I think about Paul's description of the church, right? One body, many members, right? Together, working together. Ephesians 5 talks about how, you know, when every member is working properly, together, united, it makes the body grow, so it builds itself up in love. And so, right, yeah, like the ministry, the kingdom is a united kingdom. Like there's no division. In fact, Jesus even said a divided house cannot stand. Division is not okay in any way, shape, or form within the kingdom of God. So favor and union absolutely describe the kingdom that Jesus was leading in and to with his, when he said the kingdom of heaven at hand was at hand during his ministry, he was saying favor and union are at hand. I'm here, and this is what you can be a part of. And so there's just so much that we can say about that.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

But but again, glorious. Yep. But I think it was important to point out how he's showing this is what the faithful shepherd brings. Right. But when you're following faith less shepherds, those staffs are broken and it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

There might be seeming, you know, flash-in-the-pan joy or experience, like when the people lead astray, but it's not enduring, it's not abiding favor and union, you know, in the way that Jesus can accomplish. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

So we've kind of talked about the faithful shepherd. Through these things, we've touched it's important who we are following, you know, that's the faithless shepherds. I know Ezekiel 34, you know, Peter talks about some of these in his epistles, but when we follow the wrong voices, when we're listening to the wrong people, it's pretty important who we are listening to and who we're they about themselves or are they about Christ? And I think these are some good indications.

Leading Others And The Fake Shepherd

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Well, the thing that really strikes me is not even necessarily just simply like, okay, who am I listening to? Am I being, am I listening to the wrong people, following the wrong people? But I just want to make sure I'm not one of those people, right? Too. Like again, we've talked as a father, as a husband, as a pastor, you know, like I have a response. I don't want to lead people astray. Like, I don't want to be foolish. Like, I want to be in the way and lead other people. I so that I can say, follow me as I follow Christ in the way. I don't want to be led astray and I don't want to lead other people astray. And so I think that that's another, you know, relevant application for us to consider as men, husbands, fathers, anybody. You know, moms, you know, who are we influencing? We don't want to be foolish and lead people astray because condemnation and judgment awaits like when people lead other people astray. Like God is not okay with that. Jesus is not okay with that. And so we we want to, again, I talked about Easter and how it's exciting when the Lord sends people through the doors of this church and we see that as an opportunity. You know, we want to point people in the right direction. That's the opportunity that we have. We want to point them to Jesus, the way, the truth, and the life, in the same way, you know, every day of our lives. You know, there may be people watching us that we don't even know are watching us, you know, and you know, we're influencing people that we don't even know we're influencing. Like whether it's our what we post on social media or, you know, people, our kids for sure, even though we're not doing it intentionally, they're picking up what we're laying down. And if they see us essentially placing our trust or asking for rain in other directions of people, they're gonna ask those people or follow those people or, you know, and so we want to understand and know, you know, that's that, you know, opportunity and possibility and make sure that we're not leading people astray and being foolish.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Understand the implications of who we follow and that others are following us. You know, a lot of times it'd see, I'm not a leader or you know, I'm not that, but people are watching you. If you're a parent, your kids are watching you, wherever you work, you know, if people, you know, know your faith are watching you. What does a Christian do? And not in a legalistic sense, you know, we don't want to get into that situation, but you are setting an example. You know, how you are setting, you know, if you want others to follow Christ, then how we care for others, how we speak about our faith is gonna make a big difference. So are you leading others astray and are you being led astray? So we always kind of have to look at that, you know, in the middle model of who are we following. Yeah. Ultimately we follow Christ, but who are we listening to? And then who are we impacting? Because we are, whether we like it or not, unless you're gonna go be a doomsday prepper and live out in the woods somewhere, you know, you're interacting with people.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

So people will be. We just need to know that we're susceptible and vulnerable. Um, Jesus warned his disciples, see that you are not led astray. He says that in the end times, the Antichrist will lead many astray. Like the hymn says, right, we are prone to wander, right? Without that intentional effort and awareness, like we are going to wander. We're going to, you know, shift and go in the wrong direction if we aren't intentional to do and make sure that we're we're going against that tide or that flow. And so, yeah, this passage even closes furthermore, like beyond even just the foolish shepherds of Jesus' day or really in our life, that there is going to be an ultimate fake shepherd, right? The antichrist. Jesus talks about him in Matthew 23 and 24, I believe. You know, it warns us of him. And he says, like, you know, he's going to be strong, he's going to be wise. But ultimately, like, I'm going to take away that strength and that wisdom, like I'm going to ruin, like, I'm going to throw down. And this really kind of points to Revelation chapter 19 when the false prophet and the antichrist, the beast and that and that antichrist are thrown, you know, in condemnation and judgment into the lake of fire where there is that burns with sulfur. And so, yeah, we don't want to follow the fake shepherd. That's right. We want to follow the faithful shepherd who redeems. We want to ask him for rain. Look to him, trust him, follow him, the cornerstone, the temp peg, the battle bow, our ruler, sovereign ruler.

Zechariah 12 Preview And Closing

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Right. Well, so much depth. We could keep going. So much. Uh, we do pray. Hopefully, this gave you a lot fuller picture, going deeper into some of these key themes in Zechariah 10 or 11. But I think summation, follow the faithful shepherd. That should be the center of our life, the foundation, the tent peg, our anchor, and then uh have the right people speaking into your life and set that example. I think looking at that in terms of how we live is super important. Amen. Well, looking ahead to next week, like we kind of encouraged, you know, certainly study ahead, come prepared. Zechariah 12. So any preview, anything if we're reading it and preparing our hearts that we should be.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Just read it. Like I'm telling you, spoil. I don't want to, like, there's it clearly, you know, points to Jesus Christ. You can read it, you can see Jesus, knowing what you know about Jesus, even before I say a word. And so Zechariah chapter 12 is just it's glorious. Anything about Jesus, I mean, he says, if I be lifted up, I will draw amen into myself, and that's what we want to see happen. And so I'm praying that and trusting that that is what will happen as we preach through Zechariah chapter 12 this coming Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

I would say an important point too. Hopefully, you know, wherever you are in your walk, we're in the Old Testament, but when you read the Old Testament, we see Jesus and we should look for Jesus. So clear. Can I remember early in my faith, like, ah, the Old Testament's the Old Testament, but and we just see Christ throughout the pages of the Old Testament. So as you're reading, hopefully it's an important point to bring out is Christ is in the Old Testament too, throughout the Bible. So would encourage you to check that out. We're so looking forward to seeing you this Sunday, continuing our study. Uh, we definitely appreciate y'all taking the time to listen, and we'll look forward to seeing you next time.