Don’t Look Under The Internet
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don't look under the internet
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Mike: are you rolling are we rolling
Jason: Yeah we're rolling
Mike: hi everybody I have a fun game I want to play especially with the two boys here but the listeners as well uh guess who I am ready okay hi um welcome to um welcome to don't uh uh don't look under the internet
Jason: is he copying himself
Doug: I think so
Mike: I'm copying myself. So on the last episode with Polybius, I said um and uh way too many times let's be honest
Jason: let's see I got that I actually have a counter on the desktop of my computer that tracks you every time you say that word
Mike: get the fuck out do you really?
Jason: yeah no you're literally from the last episode you were at 738
Mike: that can't be right
Jason: yeah look *Laughter*
Mike: I have a fun game for you at home to play you, listeners, in
Jason: Can we play too?
Mike: so yeah you can play too so what I want to do I have a proposal for all of you at home I want you from this episode on to listen to how many times I say uh or um and then I want you to either uh leave us, uh an email I'm saying I'm getting them all out right now don't worry I'm gonna stop you guys I want you to send us an email at dlutipod@gmail.com I want you to add us on Twitter @dlutipod and I want you to comment on our Facebook group I want you to say how many times I say um or uh for every time that I've said or um we are going to record me taking a shot for each one and we're going to put it up on our social. You can also find links to our socials on our link tree as well to make it easy so you don't have to you know fumble around
Jason: god damn
Mike: I'm leaving this to you guys my fate and my liver is in your hands
Jason: yeah if you could if you guys want to track his please do
Mike: because I need to bite that word I need to bite that habit because I love the Polybius idea that was my idea and I wrote the outline and I got super nervous about it so that explains all the um so I need to nip that in the bud
Doug: hey I mean you can drink along with it if you want to Mike: yeah make a [ __ ] game out of it we'll make a whole thing let's kill your grandma
Jason: just not while you're driving not while you're driving
Mike: yeah well do it while you're driving in Mario kart
Doug: I was like waiting for uh you know where that was going
Mike: anyway I'm going to get my last um's or us intentional ones out of the way now so
*Mike impersonating a handicapped platypus*
Mike: all right it's out of the way now
Jason: thank the lord
Mike: Welcome Everybody to don't look under the internet I'm mike
Doug: I'm Doug
Jason: And I'm jason
Doug: hi
Jason: hello hello
Mike: um we did want to give a bit of I guess
Doug: trigger warning
Mike: disclaimer trigger warning yeah we're gonna be talking about some sensitive material here there are some topics that we're gonna go over that some people might not really like or enjoy but it is very detrimental to the story and it's a very well made story that the internet uh knows about we feel you guys would like to know about
Jason: yeah absolutely just keep in mind there are definitely some areas of uh um when we're gonna be talking you'll see that there are definitely some very sensitive topics we're going over so we'll get more into it closer to the end of everything. If certain mental health aspects bother you you don't like hearing about them or just causes you to feel you know uncomfortable like we just want to let you know that this episode does contain that so feel free to duck out now but otherwise please stay with us
Doug: well let's get into it shall we
Jason: I'm game so what are we talking about doug
Doug: so today we're going to be talking about yay video games
*Mike screeching*
Doug: um the title makes it sound a lot happier than it really Is yeah we're going to be going into kind of the utter turmoil of a reddit user uh and that's just that's kind of putting it nicely i guess
Jason: yeah so yea video games was actually it was a user tag on reddit um all caps yay video games um it's and from my from the looks of it it looks like that's kind of what he talks about on reddit a lot uh
Doug:yeah so the original posts that you see from this user if you go back there's actually someone who put together an archive of every post that he's ever made
Mike: he's got over 4 000 of em the weird thing is too this is like a pretty big deal on reddit
Doug: oh yeah
Mike: but when i was doing research There weren't that many resources like i use not to you know give away you know back behind the scenes footage but i use youtube for a lot of my research and stuff there aren't any videos on youtube about YAYVIDEOGAMES there's like three
Jason: and they're dated by at least a year
Mike: yeah yes it's crazy it's no one's talking about this thing it you find most of this on reddit and you have to find it yourself you're basically just handed all these comment threads and you're told go crazy no one's really doing much to line it up for you you have to line it up yourself for the most part from what i noticed
Jason: yeah absolutely this is actually a really good topic If you're if you are an amateur investigator especially an internet investigator likes to find these weird creepy things all over this is actually a really good um subject to kind of get into to kind of show
Mike: i'm sure we'll get better at researching but i will say this is probably the most difficult one i've researched because there was no one there to hand me the story we kind of had t figure it out as we went
Jason: well that and the sheer volume yeah
Doug: yeah oh my god when i was combing through like the the actual post that he made i didn't even like you yay video games himself is there's like months worth of really cognizant intellectual posts that he makes off of uha lot of it is from the gaming reddit or subreddit it's like i said it's really intellectual he just he loves talking about modding games he loves talking about you know anything that has to do with video games um and he seems like a really well-rounded person um when he starts talking and his first post from yay video games was uh looks like april or actually february 4th of 2010 um just talking about you know stuff and things that normal people on reddit would talk about there's nothing out of the blue that would make you think okay who is this guy right
Mike: yeah there's nothing there that makes you think this guy's gonna have a downward spiral very soon
Doug: yeah and like i said it's like i said combing through super normal dude really i would have seen a comment from him and i would have kept scrolling
Jason: yeah oh most people would see this conglomeration of topics that he talks about if you started with the oldest comments first and we're looking through it you would give up and you would say yeah this guy is completely normal until you got to the not so normal stuff
Doug: yeah and we keep kind of alluding to this not normal stuff very vaguely uh it's okay so let's fast forward we got his first post uh in february of 2010
Jason:okay
Doug: in just a couple months we get to august 13th and 14th and you see some straight repetition words being used
Mike: are you talking about the ubisoft thing
Doug: yeah it
Mike: for those of you that haven't heard of yay video games odds are if you're on reddit long enough you've even heard of this you might not have known where it comes from but yeah like i didn't know this was a video games but i heard of this yeah you should play a lot of words
Jason: you've ever heard of like the like mike said either what we're about to tell you like the repetitive phrase that he uses you've either heard that yay video games or just the letters yvg
Doug: there is now a Reddit like subreddit for yeah
Mike: which we're gonna get into um if you wanted to you know follow along there or go check it out you definitely do that but uh
Doug: so we get the first incident of the string of words and these words are ubisoft goes steamworks bye bye always on drm uh
Jason: yeah it's a normal phrase to tell anyone and
Doug: well like i said when you when you look through these these archived posts that he makes you just see that that phrase over and over and over and over and over and over and over and that's not that's not even that's an understatement the way i'm explaining it um he does this a few times right off the bat and then from there back to normal posting
Jason : yeah and so a lot of his uh like we said his posts are on video games and he's i mean he's got
Mike: I expect that from a man named yay video games all right i wouldn't expect him to go on a subreddit for polo or something though
Jason: yeah they've got it they you know hit the nail on the head with his name um he loves all sorts of games he talks about how he likes rpgs um he's very very like he loves the game oblivion we find that out
Doug: yeah
Jason: um the other thing that he's interested in though are these very like indie not well-known kind of graphical platformers and there was i actually have a post here and it was it's by a user that was since deleted in the gaming subreddit um asking list best games to play while stoned and uh he lists off these five it's a game called glum buster a game called lsd (glum buster yeah) uh corsicovia la la la land and a game called love
Mike: is la la la land that movie that won the oscar that stole that from that moonlight movie
Jason: everything that i could find on that I thought he was just talking about the movie but no they made an 8-bit version of la la land really yeah it's a platformer and it's it's very it's trippy apparently
Mike: did they get emma stone to write off on it
Jason: see i didn't dig that far
Mike: oh her lawyers are on top of it
Jason: i'll email her and ask her
Mike: i'll i'll tweet at her Emma did you know
Doug: oh yeah she'll for sure write back
Jason: she'd be like hey mike nice to talk to you again
Doug: she's not busy filming Cruella
Jason: no not at all which oh my god i'm so excited
Doug: right
Jason: but uh yeah so he he lists off these five really really strange graphical video games that no one has really ever heard of and so i did a little bit of digging into each of them most of them actually share a tag and the tag is that these are very good these are games that you can play that will give you kind of a not an introduction into what like chronic depression is like and since so i've actually come across a few games that try to do that like depression simulator which sounds horrible and why the hell would you want to play that but like it does it gives you an idea of how hopeless and how like terrible you feel when you're that way all these games share that which i feel like that that connection is definitely going to come up a little bit later
Mike: oh yeah
Jason: that connection it took me a second to actually make it but
Mike: if that doesn't scream warning i don't know what does
Jason: right exactly um but yeah so like like i said all these posts have been pretty normal on video game reddits or subreddits I mean um just talking about stuff that he loves talking about and uh and then you get to a very very confused post um about oblivion on its mods and like what you need what you want to install what you don't
Mike: yes so there was a conversation about an oblivion mod on reddit by a user named you slash i wish i was a meme
Doug: same
Mike: don't we all i think everyone during the pandemic was a meme at some point they were that that dog sitting on the table just this is fine yeah at some point everyone was that
Jason:absolutely
Mike: so you i wish i was a meme asked a question in our gaming about which oblivion mod is like the site's favorite to where we see a video games kind of come in for the first time to be kind of more cryptic and this i wouldn't say is the avalanche of everything but this is kind of what i i saw put him on the radar of where he is now when it comes to fame you know what i mean yeah
Doug: this is like where people started being like what yeah yeah this is where people started paying attention to everything
Jason: almost literally
Mike: yeah well yeah yeah right uh yay video games comments on the topic he says and i quote the uninstall button the game is great and all that but god is it hard to fully remove all the junk it leaves behind on your system you really need to check out that mod when the time comes down to get rid of it otherwise i think it obscuros oblivion or overhaul is a nice start Obscuro's oblivion overhaul by the way is that oblivion mod that they were talking about downloading
Jason: right and that's a pretty that's a staple oblivion mod for anyone who wants to modify their experience
Mike: so obviously the uninstall button isn't a mod that's just yeah taking the [ __ ] game off of your pc and
Jason: every single game that i own has An uninstall button
Mike: yeah so that's nothing special so at this point a couple people were just literally some guy just messaged what way and yay video games just went out of his [ __ ] way to just respond back to this guy with no nothing more clear clear he just says the uninstall button the game is great ubisoft goes steamworks bye-bye always on drm but you oft go to work always on dr check out the junk it leaves behind in you
Doug: yeah that's crazy
Jason: in you
Mike: yeah in you i had to double i'd like triple take read that and i'm like you got to buy me dinner first teamwork it's like [ __ ] oh uh so i also want to leave this description for people as well because i had no [ __ ] clue what always-on drm was i had to look that up turns out
Jason: please yeah
Mike: yeah it turns out always on drm is a form of a drm which stands for digital rights management it re this is like the description of it by the way like from the
Doug: verbatim
Mike: verbatim it requires the consumer to remain connected to a server especially through an internet connection to use a particular product so for an example it's basically the easiest example is like it's a video game that you can only play if you're connected to the internet if you're online otherwise you can't play it
Jason: like blizzard
Mike: yeah essentially yeah that's always on drm yeah that's probably the easiest description obviously that's a very low brow description of it but
Doug: so what is it like housing all the the mod files and stuff like that
Mike: basically okay yeah so after a video game is mentioned you know
Jason: wasn't there like an article about something about steam was thinking about going to always on drm
Mike: there was but there wasn't that much into it it was like one or two articles and didn't really go anywhere it was just talking about steam's transition to a drm but it didn't really i i didn't
Doug: i don't think it had anything to do with what he's saying
Mike: yeah i didn't read it too much into it because it didn't have much to do with anything
Jason: all right fair enough
Mike: i think it was just to help figure out what he was talking about when he said drm
Jason: gotcha
Mike: i think that's really all it was
Jason: okay yeah
Mike: so obviously saying all that didn't really clarify anything to anybody in and i think i think because he kept getting some like hate comments yay video games did on that thread i think he kind of took that a little too close to heart and just summoned some like inner rage because this [ __ ] like right after makes 4 000 comments each with the phrase ubisoft goes Steamworks bye-bye always on drm in it it's in some variant
Jason: was it just, like, copy pasted?
Mike: no no some were italicized some were bolded some were lower case some were like you know that new spongebob font where it's like i directed you then like that so so it's like the scrawlings of a madman and all over the span of a few hours yeah
Jason: did 4 000 posts in a couple hours
Mike: yes the dedication and some of these posts even had some of these posts even had images attached to them as well a lot of users tried digging in to see if these images had anything to do with what he was talking about they really didn't there's one image that stood out and it was like a handwritten version
Jason: oh yeah
Mike: of uh ubisoft goes teamwork bye-bye always on drm and when i tell you it's a madman scrollings it's like straight up he's it looks like he's in like a loony bin just scrolling on the [ __ ] wall ubisoft goes steam where's bye-bye it's kind of creepy that's really the only picture that has anything to do with anything there's other pictures like i think one was just like a pair of legs sitting on a chair and it has nothing to do with he's talking about there are no no no no there are no like links to anything he's talking about it's just random
Jason: well yeah and so what he does is he embeds like links into the text and you click on them it's just a bunch of random ass pictures
Mike: yeah and that's that's the thing too the fact that he's doing that the fact that all the fonts are different too he's not just hitting copy paste and doing it over and over and random subs and random topics
Jason: taking effort
Mike: he's taking effort he's this is his day like he called he saw this hate mail and he's called into work like yeah i'm not coming in today i'm sick and instead just decide to sit in front of the computer and just go bananas for like eight hours it's maddening
Doug: i do want to say one thing about those images um they actually come in kind of importantly later on
Jason: yeah
Doug: which is pretty pretty cool to this whole situation
Mike: well at the moment no one sees any type of connection yeah they're just like this guy's [ __ ] crazy
Jason: at this point you just click on one of those links you get to a picture and you're just like i don't know what the [ __ ] i'm looking at or what i'm reading next thing you know 10 hours has gone by
Mike: yeah here you are Jason: and you're still looking at just ubisoft steamworks bye bye always on drm
Mike: so speaking of i guess like just random [ __ ] in general uh with all this reddit reddit's pretty good at just sleuthing and being their own detectives which is bad in the case of like the brooklyn bomber but it's good and instances like this because reddit helps us find other users that are involved in stories like this one being doug if you want to take it away
Doug: so as he said the the internet's really good about like digging people out of the woodwork and uh we get this weird uh so people started looking into yay video games comments um before he was banned i guess you could say uh because that original post he pretty much gets banned like damn near immediately but uh so that being said um we find a connection to yay video games with a user it's you slash no substance here uh we find yay video games posting on a subreddit called r slash cleanliness it doesn't have anything to do with cleanliness at all
Mike: what does it have to do with then
Doug: i'm pretty positive it's just
Jason: did you look hard enough
Doug: i didn't
Jason: well
Mike: i saw a toilet bowl when i did research into that sub you mean to tell me that's not clean
Doug: well we see yay video games post the weirdest thing it's out of the blue it's just asking for magic and that he promises he won't do anything evil with it
Mike: please um i have some magic i won't do alchemy with it sir now
Jason:can i have some magic now please
doug: but all the posts on it are just really cryptic really weird have nothing to do with anything really it just it's really uh everything about this whole [ __ ] story very little sense
Mike: not to cut you off but so isn't cla or cleanliness isn't it like dirty [ __ ] like that's the point is they show you like poorly cleaned things to where it's still dirty
Doug:i mean there's a couple posts like the toilet that you've got
Mike: so you would just see like look at this shitty like to clean toilet oh look at these counters you're so dusty hey can i have some magic please i promise i won't use it for evil i understand that there's only like six or seven people in that sub but how [ __ ] weird if you're one of those things or something people just scrolling through and just magic is he talking about like magic magic magic erasers i need those too sorry you could go
Jason: how do you use those for evil purposes
Doug: rub someone's face with one meal like get out of my life but uh yeah i mean i actually coming to a good point that you mentioned there isn't a lot of people in that subreddit and it actually made this a lot easier for the community to find out who we're looking at now so like i said we're talking about no substance here we're gonna say quite a bit of user names we're not getting a little confusing
Mike: we're not saying there's no substance here that's the guy's name keep that in mind
Jason: it's the reddit user's account name yeah
Doug: so we see an interaction on this subreddit between video games and no substance here so when the you know the internet did their thing we go and see that this no substance here is the moderator of our cleanliness and another uh subreddit called banana freaks um
Mike: those damn bananas and pajamas the freaks
Jason: it's just a matter of what they were doing before they came down the stairs
Mike: this is the question did they come downstairs or they fall downstairs
Jason: god damn it
Doug: im hoping both it's a huge who knows what they're into
Jason: oh they came for sure all down the stairs
Mike: K. Its a potassium joke.
Doug: okay that being said when you go to the banana freaks subreddit you're greeted with probably the weirdest picture i've seen in quite a bit uh just this elongated faced man looks greasy and he's being licked by a worm or so maybe a carrot i don't know
Mike: i thought it was a hot dog
Jason: it's like if bob from bob's burger and uh what's his name from trailer park boys
Mike: you got me i've never seen trailer park boys.
Jason: not the guy who holds the drink uh the loud one.
Doug: Ricky?
Jason: yeah ricky i think if ricky and bob from bob's burgers had like just [ __ ] each other
Doug; he's definitely rocking the mullet yeah
Mike: i know what you're all thinking too damn can i really picture this in my brain you won't have to when the episode comes out i'll post the pictures on our social media
Jason: we're just gonna we're gonna describe to you this visual medium over this audio
Mike: next we're gonna do a let's play but you can just hear the audio over here
Doug: uh yeah so anyways getting back on topic uh no substance here uh he's moderator on both of these none of the stuff on banana freaks makes any sense there's a picture of cheetos called banana freaks and just some really like really random [ __ ] so we see no substance here uh posting some some like weird things too but uh basically what we get into is that we're seeing the same behavior that we saw in yay video games so when you look into no substance here's posts you'll see stuff like that look kind of normal but then have this like underlying repetitive tone to it so you see what's the what games have you loved enough to buy twice but then the actual description is the interrogation room underwent some changes while you were away but then you keep seeing these posts that have what are cheat codes you'll never forget or i think there was like what music do you love the most in a video game but there's always that second description that says the interrogation room underwent some changes while you were away
Mike: it sounds like some like code word
Jason: it sounds like the interrogation room underwent some changes
Mike: it may have yeah but it sounds like you know with like men in black stuff or guys in like suits they walk up to each other and they're like oh the coffee in antarctica is cold today and it's like a it's a phrase a code for something that's what that sounds like to me
Jason: someone's speaking in code speech
Mike:the eagle hatched the wrong egg
Doug: that's a 10-4 good buddy
Mike: no they're not truckers
Jason: so is there is there kind of like a do you think he's speaking in code doesn't sound normal like why would you say that to anybody i mean like hey doug good morning how are you
Doug: oh good but the interrogation room went under some changes while you were away
Mike: you're right the weather is weird yeah like what it is a bit rainy today
Doug: and it's actually kind of funny because these posts were in our gaming that he posted that not sure uh oh there was no substance here posted in our gaming it wasn't like in one of his own subs no [ __ ] so this is digging deeper into this user now we're looking at his post substance and yeah funny that i say that but there's no substance to these like
Mike: nice pack it up we didn't pack it up full circle boys
Doug: anyways uh no but i mean the the actual threads have normal discussion on it aside from the
Jason: like so normal discussion but it has this strange repetition of the same phrase over and over again
Mike: i think it's just random nonsense just to get people to pay attention
Doug: yeah and actually one of the so we get kind of introduced to two more players from this uh we see a post from not sure how big you are
Jason: hehehe
Doug: in these threads with kind of a weird underlying repetitiveness to it
Mike: yeah they all start off with like relatively normal comments in their early days and they start getting slowly more and more repetitive the closer they get to the yay video games incident
Jason: would you say that they're all following a very similar pattern oh absolutely
Mike: wouldn't you know it
Doug: which brings me to my next point we get a comment from someone called you vinyl record that says i had the one ring when it was on vinyl just real like you'll just that it's just right there one comment when i when when you first like kind of look at these threads it's something that you may just pass over but just keep that in mind as well um so yeah that's that's kind of where we the no substance here has really no substance to it there's it's just all over the place we don't get much out of it other than seeing this pattern kind of form
Jason: you see you see the uh the pattern with with him do you you kind of see him with the these other users as well just in display in different ways
Doug: yeah
Jason: the the post that gave it away was i mean you're gonna see not sure how big you are all over similar posts that vinyl record is on that uh no substance hears on as well as Yay video games like all of them are posting on each other's [ __ ] um the the big one is in um our cleanliness and it's a post by no substance here which is zelda zelda the princess and not sure how big you
Mike: do you know if it had a link to
Jason: it it uh it did
Mike: those sons of [ __ ] that flew right over my head
Jason: i can't believe i [ __ ] didn't see that
Doug: i just thought about it as you said it i was like oh damn
Mike: now that's a hipster just smart as [ __ ] um
Jason: so yeah it just says zelda zelda the princess responding to no substance here is not sure how big you are saying i saw her from the sofa to which no substance he replies no not sure how big you are replies yes all the time
Mike: what a riveting conversation
So IIIIon: and then no the caveat of it all no substance here replies with oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god [In unison] oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
Jason: you get it just over and over and over and over and over again so what i'm kind of seeing between all of these different users are uh several similarities one being repetitive [ __ ] that no one understands over and over again jacking each other's posts to where you know let's say vinyl record starts a post now it's uh yay video games who's finishing it with his non-stop incessant [ __ ] about steamworks
Mike: they all start doing it at like the same time too it's all around the same time frame they start off as normal reddit accounts and then out of nowhere out of the blue just spam everybody gets spam you get spam you get spam i get banned
Jason: and so that uh that can that seeing that all of these uh users are kind of posting this ridiculous mundane um [ __ ] just over and over again around the same time it kind of leads you in in the direction of thinking that um that all these users have something to do with each other like they they know each other really well or they're like their friends they're like they're propagating some kind of prank on the internet or just literally making life terrible for people who want to talk about things like zelda
Mike: trolling a little bit
Doug: right definitely seem like trolls
Jason: the other option being is all four of these people are the same person
Mike: whoa slow down there cowboy
Jason: those are kind of the two major theories
Mike: how could they be the same they're different accounts you silly willy
Doug: silly ol' willie
Jason: it took a long time so for a while this whole yay video games mystery was no one knew what to make of it like no one knew where it led where it came from what the [ __ ] was happening until we discover a common religious element among a few of these users
Mike: yes turns out a couple of these guys are ex-jehovah's witnesses
Jason: oh [ __ ]
Mike: yeah i didn't see the watchtower coming into play here did you
Jason: no
Mike: uh so in a post by not sure how big you are they talk about being an ex jehovah's witness and how that caused him to almost become homeless due to it being an oppressive religious environment which i have heard of that
Jason: same uh Mike: unfortunately i i don't want to speak out my ass here but sometimes from what i hear if you're not following the jehovah's code then your family kind of just exiles you if you decide to not follow it that you're just dead to them from right here they just exile you from the family and call it a day
Jason: well that's not very godlike
Doug: oh yes it is
Mike: it's watchtower like yeah so not sure how big you are he also comments on a post by another user that another user doesn't really matter i forgot to write down his name but it doesn't matter too much but he just asks what warped world view did you have while a while being a jehovah's witness not sure how big he was responds with a comment that was a bit too long to write down but i did kind of sum it up and we kind of get to see why this guy is a little you know messed up he's got a lot of problems he's got a lot of problems and this is a big reason why i would imagine
Doug: yeah and just real quick just keeping in mind all of these users that we talked about is the same guy at this point that's what we're going for as far as like
Mike: what
Doug: when you're thought pro goodbye
Mike: shut up are you serious [Laughter]
Mike: they're the same guy oh my god um i have to oh i gotta go i can't be here anymore guys
Jason: mike's leaving the studio he's far too mind [ __ ] to continue talking
Mike: that was me stomping away that jumping away
Doug: oh double mind fucked since we just went over this like five seconds ago crazy
Mike: right so not sure how big you are responds to this guy's question of what world war view did you have when you were joel's witness he responds with a huge comment essentially talking about how he believed that demons were real and they were confronting him in his dreams he when he was little he used to have bad fevers when he was a child and he used to see a black figure come out of his wall and start pacing across his bed which yeah yeah that's fun you give me a face like what yeah that's [ __ ] creepy the figure he said would occasionally stop walking and just stare at him until he passed out he said he would pass out either from the fever or just from total bliss and luck said he would just be too tired to stay awake
Jason: see that's i mean see i hired my own guy to do that for me this guy just kind of fell into
Mike: yeah he just he's a
Jason: that's how i fall asleep every pay pay your demons to pace around your bedroom don't have them do it for free trust me it's they have to make a living too and the difference is worth it like demon when you get right to sleep you don't worry about anything for the rest of the night demons are creepy person staring at you all night
Mike: demons are people too they have livelihoods
Doug: see i just have cats
Mike: same thing really
Doug: they just stare at me while i sleep
Mike: they just they stare at you and then throw up a hairball on your chest and then run away
Jason: yeah you're welcome
Mike: um but in so he would see this figure in his dreams just pacing around and then stopping staring at him and then blacking out he confronted his mother about these dreams he told his mom about him and his mom said oh yeah those are real she said yeah she's like oh yeah that's [ __ ] real she said all the horrible pictures he would draw as he was a kid broke jehovah's protection and let the demon into his room so the mom blamed
Jason: what an assface
Mike: yeah this kid's over here like i drew a tree and she's like you broke jehovah's code and i don't know why it kind of made her sound like randy savage.
Jason: Bonesaw!
Mike: you broke jehovah's code brother the demons real you'll know pain but that would explain a lot of the [ __ ] up [ __ ] that this guy's going through and whooy
Jason: on top of that so this uh this guy also has a long long long history of just horrid amounts of healthcare abuse like the healthcare system was not working well for him he had chronic pain he just had a ton of problems and that you know mixed with this cult-like upbringing especially with a mother who says like well those kids drawings that you used to make when you were a child brought a demon into your house and now he's he's gonna he's haunting you until you die.
Mike: he's haunting you forever you do this to yourself timmy
Jason: yeah like what the [ __ ] is that and like it's just it's horrible to see that these circumstances arise around someone and they pretty much start to just envelop them whole
Mike: now i will say as a man i know someone whose parents are a jehovah's witness i won't say names but i will say this could very well just be a one-off type of scenario because they're fine their parents never did this to them and said the demons are real you brought them on our house so this might just be an instance of a crazy mom
Jason: yeah absolutely
Mike: who might be a little too take taking you know the jehovah's witness lifestyle a little too literal yeah
Jason: that could be for sure i do know that jehovah the jehovah's witness lifestyle is definitely it's got a pretty rigid structure around it to where if you deviate even a little bit they're like nope go [ __ ] yourself we uh you don't want coming here like yeah yeah none of that um but yeah it's if you read back through his post history he talks about you know dealing well these different things um growing up and like that's just a it's a sad set of uh circumstances around everything um
Mike: yeah he mentions in like a huge comment thread again how he suffers from chronic pain like you were saying how he's bedridden half the time because he he's just in so much pain he can't get up he's got back issues
Jason: yeah he's got a ton of different types of issues now knowing this and let's say if you were to line up all of these users posts like the chronological order you could basically take a ruler and put it across all of these post histories and it would line up like with the freaky repetition the the everything like you start to kind of notice something the most different users have this overlap that you just you can't ignore it because the timing is too perfect
Mike: it seems like when yay video games made like the 4 000 comments that was kind of like the catalyst
Jason: yeah that was like the break
Mike: that was the break yeah yeah and and you'll see like again i don't know if you guys are going a little bit too more deep into it or not on your portion but he's even talking about how he was a badly prescribed medication from a doctor for a psychologist uh
Jason: it was called lyric uh lyrica i think
Doug: something like that Mike: he's had all these issues and prescribed all these medications to where there's no uh it's obvious how this guy could get a little a little broken a little messed up you know he wasn't giving the proper support
Doug: a lot of substance abuse exactly you know not knowing um kind of what was wrong with him and then kind of figuring it out but still just the medical system just totally [ __ ]
Jason: oh it sucks i mean i work in it yeah it's like i love what i do but i also can definitely see the different venues that the healthcare system just [ __ ] everyone over
Mike: you've held a beating heart in your hands
Doug: and ate it
Jason: i mean i don't like to give my secrets away
Mike: Kali Ma. KALI MA. KALI MA.
Jason: that actually is the basis of all western medicine guys um but no so like you've got these these different these different users kind of experiencing or either experiencing or saying the same things same kind of contextual rambling [ __ ] that no one can make heads or tails of it happens all around the same time and there's actually a there's a pretty damn good reason for all of that and there is uh somebody that kind of puts that into clarification
Mike: yeah we actually get someone that knows who these people are i guess we spoiler who this person is because they're all the same goddamn person we actually get a look uh an insight into a friend you could say
Doug: yeah it goes back to a post that uh not sure how big you are actually brought up a while back when he was actually posting non-nonsensical things but uh one of his posts he mentions that you know he had to drop out of his friend's band and then he goes into saying
Jason: isn't it sodom?
Doug: i don't remember
Jason: i think that was it
Doug: yeah he he it was very vague comment but basically says i had to drop out of the ban i have no energy to do anything and now they're you know in germany and japan and getting a better record deal and they're going to be at some music festival and right he kind of you can tell he's just bummed out but by all means we get silence so in about 20 i think it's the very end of 2014 all the accounts go silent we have this lead up into you know this weird internet mystery as we do with just silence um and then we go into i want to say it was early 2019 or late 2019
Mike: sounds right
Doug: the post just says one year ago so i have to assume it was it might have actually been in 2020
Jason: it could have been
Doug: now in 2021 which is just [ __ ] up but yeah anyways um so we have the subreddit yay video games um we get this guy his name is luke mcleish he comes in and says hey uh hey guys i'm luke and i'm one of yay video games best friends ask me anything right off the bat you get a bunch of users just going you know challenging his authenticity being like prove it this and that prove it yada yada
Jason: well in this kind of like in this realm of information like knowing exactly if something is accurate or not is very important to ever like to us research is it so you have to it might seem a little off-putting to be like we know like some of the things that you're saying are like this it's horrible for him but like we need to make sure that you are who you say you are
Mike: well when i was looking at that same sub too one of the guys was like hey we need proof sorry to get right on your parade but we've had dozens of people come in here saying this exact same thing so we need proof that you're actually his friend or something
Doug: yeah and he he so kind of jumping forward just a little bit um he does end up being deemed worthy of who he is he posts some pictures
Mike: yeah he actually shows some evidence
Doug: yeah he's got pictures of him he's you know
Jason: so this is actually
Mike: he's got his facebook
Jason: this is the yay video games one of his best friends
Doug: yeah yeah it's this is actually one of the guys he was in the band with oh [ __ ] he was supposed to be so he kind of like i said he proves it he gives us all of his an itunes account we find his uh playstation account his steam account his facebook and he introduced us um and i'm gonna read the actual first post he makes um there's a lot there's a lot of posts that he makes so i'm not gonna read through everything please go and check out the a video game subreddit um you'll get way more information
Mike: it's the first it's the first post
Doug: yeah it's pinned at the top so he says hey guys i'm luke and i'm one of yay video games best friends ask me anything first off let me say it's a great surprise to see such a big community around my best mate i had no idea about this until today his name is lyndon we lost him at the beginning of 2015. life hasn't been the same since someone reached out to me on facebook so i thought i'd come over here and shed some light on lyndon's life lyndon was an amazingly kind and intelligent guy who was really creative he was constantly creating art and music which he never recorded to my knowledge animation of which i have some in the archives and he loved storytelling he had a small group of friends in real life as he bailed on high school and started isolating himself due to his chronic illness in about 2005. we miss him very much due to his jw background he never let us know the day he was born but based on bits and pieces i picked up over the years it would have been his 31st birthday last february so he's actually like pretty close to our age you know
Mike and jason: yeah
Doug: um i know he wouldn't or he would have loved that there's this much mystery around him after he left us but i think there's some important topics to cover here chronic pain self-medication invisible illness uh the allied health system and how important it is to seek uh to be among others in some way i hope that we can draw some closure out of this and hopefully move a little closer towards having further understanding and compassion towards people who may be in the position london suffered through
Jason: damn
Doug: yeah it's it's a heavy topic
Jason: absolutely like it up until what so when did this post show up on reddit
Doug: it said it said a year it was a year ago so i have to assume either late 2019 or sometime in 2020.
Mike: and he it does line up he said they lost him in early 2015 he stopped posting all these comments all these accounts stopped posting in late 2014.
Doug: yeah it i think he i think it says like it was january right
Mike and Jason: i think so i think so yeah
Doug: but either way yeah it all lines up
Jason: absolutely and it's like that people have checked double check triple checked there's still people on this thread like asking like are you sure are you sure like there's still people making a hundred percent
Mike: he even posted pictures of lyndon like uh i believe it was like when he was a sophomore in high school or something and then one like a year before he you know and he passed away
Jason: and yeah unfortunately um like he all this is true he did pass away and uh we didn't find out for a bit but it turns out the uh ultimate cause of death was uh suicide
Mike: yeah which is very upsetting because the the story itself i was really hoping it wasn't real there was a moment where i was like oh this looks like a really fun story of maybe a person with multiple personality disorder and all the personalities are clashing together or something i was like wow that's a really awesome story we're reading here and then it turns out this [ __ ] is real
Doug: yeah i was really banking on this being an ARG.
Jason: so when i first started like when i first found out about this i don't know why but the the repetition the weirdness behind all of it just struck a chord with me and i like i had to know everything about it and this was this this was a while ago this is before we discovered anything about his you know his death his friend like anything like that
Doug: yeah because we had been on this topic before yeah we even had a podcast
Jason: oh yeah yeah this is back when we were like in quarantine just being like hey this is a creepy video you should watch this like i i don't know why but i thought this the the four thousand posts in a couple hours was just floored me and that just got got me off in this kick to research this
Mike: it also seems like everyone about it is like super respectable or respectful which is nice too yeah yeah yeah like if you go on the a video game subreddit everyone's like oh this was really fun it's sad to see that he's gone and everyone's just upbeat and they're like ah i was just introduced to yay video games this was fun and i guess that could probably explain why there's not that many videos on like youtube or something about yeti video games just no one wants to really touch on the topic anymore just let it rest
Jason: yeah then plus before it was such an obscure topic like all of the stuff that we're researching now like we would have been some of the first people to find it and we researched this ten years ago
Doug: oh yeah
Mike: but i i think you know instead of leaving it to rest i think it's nice to talk about it because obviously this guy had a story you want to tell and i think the best way to you know tell uh to keep his memory going is to tell the story and have people listen to it again
Doug: luke does end up actually something about him being like a prankster in real life and that he was like always super dedicated to the pranks and like we kind of get this overtone from luke that he he feels like this was just one of his elaborate pranks that he didn't want to like steer away from i guess you could say but it's also real bizarre so props to him
Jason: absolutely and you know speaking of luke like talking about how you know he'd like to play these pranks on people and like they were really elaborate he was really good at them like this definitely falls under his you know his area of expertise about fooling a whole bunch of people in the thing that something is really [ __ ] up um but part of that is contributed to uh contributed to by um yay video games is inability to kind of cope with like the pain he's going through and like just his life his childhood trauma and so luke actually read something or send something to the the reddit group that and actually i'd like to read out just kind of in honor of lyndon which was the guy's actual name yay video games is just to get everyone caught up his real name is lyndon wachtel or wachtel can't i don't know how to pronounce it uh he lived in melbourne in australia which they did
Mike: uh sorry i don't think we mentioned it at all either but you see a connection to melbourne australia some of the video games comments
Doug: yeah and uh yeah he asks about uh someone wanting to live with someone who's oh yeah medicated yeah yeah
Jason: and that was from not not sure how big you are yeah yeah so it spread out along all of these um but so luke said in regards to like him passing away luke says lyndon felt so out of control of everything around him his unresolved trauma his chronic illness his isolation he'd always said nobody was taking his pain seriously nobody meaning his medical team and case workers assigned to him after he wasn't able to leave the house anymore he'd go through waves of being okay and lucid playing games with us online sharing music then he'd isolate for a few weeks or even months at a time every time he came back out of it all he'd be re-energized and have all kinds of new art music to show us he had huge personality and was passionate about so many things we would get swept up in those too towards the end he called me a couple of times saying he was going to kill himself and it would take an hour or more to bring him around to wanting to live again a big part of him desperately wanting to live and connect and get back out in the world but he would say that he didn't know how to anymore it had been too long i was sick myself at the time but we'd agree that we would stay around and once i had gotten out of the hospital we would work together and getting back on track with his education and seeing the places he wanted to see he was really positive about this idea he started eating better even doing some exercises i'd written up for him saying this pain got much better after those he just used to be a fantastic rollerblader and was talking about getting back into that once he had lost some weight the lyrica had put on i didn't get to speak with him while i was in there and in that month he made the decision to take his life i feel it was the only way that he could perceive that would stop all the pain and hurt that he was carrying and to take control of the situation once and for all i just wish that it wasn't that way we loved him so much it's taken years to even begin to get my head around the guilt of not knowing that that was going to happen and that he felt so alone so i mean not to throw a huge dampener on everything it's it's super sad it's it's tragic that you know
Mike: it's a super sad but interesting story nonetheless
Jason: oh absolutely it's very
Mike: it's definitely a telling story of how obviously if you're feeling you know the way that he was if any part of you feels you need help you should reach out to people
Jason: please
Mike: just like how yay video games was reaching out to his buddy and it was working for a while he even said it but if there's no like problem asking for help no there's no shame in it
Doug: mental illness is real serious and a lot of people go through and don't even realize it so like
Mike: yes i even if i even have the number for the national suicide prevention lifeline here so if you or anyone i i shouldn't say anyone you know should call but the number is 800-273-8255 again no shame and asking for help everyone needs it occasionally and i i feel i don't know about you boys but i think it's a good idea if if we make any type of money off of this episode like from now on to the end of days any of those proceeds should go towards the national suicide prevention hotline
Doug: absolutely
Jason: id absolutely okay with that i might have trouble quantifying just that episode but like yeah i don't know how to
Doug: we will make a donation
Mike: yeah we'll absolutely figure it out yeah
Jason: yeah we'll have a donation of at least it'll be at least fifty hundred bucks to uh national suicide prevention hotline and if you know anyone who's struggling with anything like this please get them in contact with somebody who can actually help i get it would mean it means the world to a lot of people that you're looking out for them like that in in itself should speak volumes but if they can actually get the help they need and you're able to save somebody's life like that please please please please speak up like don't stay silent
Doug: hell you can even reach out to us at our gmail
Jason: absolutely
Doug: you know if you just want someone to talk to
Mike: yeah if you just want to vent our our emails open yeah i'll say hi i'll give you a funny joke or not funny joke and you'll either have those two you'll either laugh or you'll stop listening it's one of the [ __ ] too um yeah and again we don't mean to end on like a a low note or anything but again it's a it's a really interesting story we thought it had to be told and it's right up our alley of don't look under the internet so i'm glad we got it out there i'm glad everyone knows about it and like uh what what was his name again Doug and jason: luke mcliesh yeah like he even said the best way to keep uh yay video games memory alive is by listening and sharing the story so tell your friends about the story too tell them to listen to the podcast
Jason: well yeah we're kind of contributing to like exactly so i'm
Mike: keeping his memory alive
Jason: these aren't fun topics like they can be they can be very fun but when they end in something like this uh it's it can you know put a little spin on what we normally do which is we try to bring as much humor and comedy to horrible topics that usually aren't real but today this one turns out it is kind of real episode
Doug: which i will say i'm extremely excited for our next episode we'll actually be doing some uh do you want a spooky detail
Mike: do you want to give a small hint to what the next episode is or you want to just keep it in the mystery
Doug: i think i just want to keep it here
Mike: oh [ __ ] i gotta bring the humor back because now i'm uncomfortable with the sadness i hear blue balling mike
Mike: are we uh are we signing off here gentlemen
Jason: i mean i can't think of anything else to talk about this is i mean do we have any last opinion about anything?
Doug: i just ate a sneeze to not sneeze into a microphone it's okay
Mike: what you were doing over there yeah i'm the one that does the the bad [ __ ] so it's okay if i do it
Jason: okay yeah mike's like over here just like
Mike: um yeah boys go ahead and sign off is there anything you want to say to the people
Jason: um i i will say thank i want to say thank you to uh the the people in our slash yay video games for providing a huge amount of content for us to look through um as well as nexpo has he he does some of the best um videos on these topics grant it takes him a while to pump videos out but that's just because of how high quality his videos are there's also everything
Mike: fantastic francis has one as well
Jason: i mean there's a there's a slew of youtubers that we definitely use as a resource um but i mean reddit above and beyond pretty much
Mike and doug: like that is our main one that's yeah
Jason: that's where i go to start every one of these episodes so thank you guys so so so much for giving us you know content that we can flush out and provide you guys over this audio medium that hopefully you're either laughing at or yelling at unders evoking some kind of emotional response too
Doug: they're all probably just like oh these guys don't know [ __ ] here we go
Mike: doug is there something you would like to say to the people the beautiful people
Doug: i i think uh this this topic was really heavy um you get a little bit more of the heaviness when you actually go to the reddit and kind of follow along with stuff uh if you watch the videos you get a little more insight into it because it's that visual medium but it it's you know all this stuff is really serious and uh you know we wanted to keep it fun but also you know it was not disrespect
Jason: it was harder for us to crack jokes about stuff just because we knew the ending and like we don't want to i don't we don't want to [ __ ] anybody on purpose like the people of corbin kentucky or anything like that
Doug and mike: FUCK YOU, CORBIN, KY.
Jason: god you ruined the episode corbin kentucky
Doug: they always find their way into things i'm i'm pissed
Jason: i'm upset
Mike: and i would just like to say um i i know before i would say eat your teeth i'm not going to say that this time around i'm going to say brush them the dentist appreciates that more than the lack but i would say your toenails cut them off oh the whole thing
Jason: just the toes or toenails
Mike: just the toenails and then what you want to do rearrange them take the pinky one put it on the big toe take the middle one put it on the pinky toe you know rearrange it with it yeah okay have fun with it and then throw out all the food in your fridge
Jason: what is this recipe for
Mike: disaster
Doug: is this a spell we're doing a spell Mike: a ritual eventually we'll get to rich
Jason: Are we just making cheesecake
Mike: out of everything in the fridge all right baby
Jason: all right guys thank you so much please remember to always always always stay paranoid
Mike: hug your dad
Doug: and bake peens and slap beans
Jason: oh bake them
Doug: bake bake the peens bake the peens slap your beans
Mike: hug your mother it's a little different
Jason: well not after that don't hug your mother after baking peens and slapping beans
Mike: why not
Jason: what do you think her mouth has been
Mike: i'm not doing it i'm out of here goodbye
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