Movie Remakes - New Theme

This week, Quizmaster Sups sits in the director's chair and produces four facts about Hollywood movie remakes! But one of them is a flop because it's not 100% true. Grab some popcorn and find your seat along with hosts Andi and Tanner in this continuation of our NEW theme. See if you can find the lie! 

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Tanner 0:01

that's a very good point. I believe that.

Andi 0:03

I want to hear more facts.

Tanner 0:05

Yeah.

Andi 0:06

almost as bad as Gerard Butler

Tanner 0:09

Oh God.

Andi 0:10

of the Opera.

Tanner 0:10

Oh God.

Andi 0:12

He's not a singer, he is an actor, you know? This is gonna be really entertaining. Just say I'm doomed. I'm definitely doomed.

Tanner 0:22

I did not know it was a rema. That's surprising

Andi 0:24

we gotta start there. Cause I didn't know this movie was a remake. Yeah. Hello and welcome to this episode of the I Should Have Known podcast, the trivia podcast that can't be trusted. Each week our Quizmaster presents you with four big facts on a topic, but one of those facts is a lie, and we're doing all things new. For the new year and we're continuing Our new theme with our Quizmaster soups. Hello and soups is going to be presenting us four facts about movie remakes, so the new versions of older movies, one of those facts is a lie. So join me, Andy, and our other host Tanner in figuring out which one it.

Sups 1:02

Alright. How do we feel about remix?

Andi 1:04

I feel. it's hard to define remake. like, would you count a remake as like the new Star Wars trilogy? Right. Right. it's not the same movie, but it's like an expansion on the universe. Is that a

Tanner 1:16

remake? Yeah. What's a remake? A reboot. A sequel?

Andi 1:19

Yeah. It's kind of not exactly clear but then in other cases, there are actual remakes in the sense that you're telling the same story. Mm-hmm. like with Dune.

Tanner 1:28

Yeah. I, I'm totally open to this. Like you can have a remake Yeah. If you have a different spin on a movie, then Sure.

Andi 1:35

Yeah. And, and some of them need improvement, even though Dune is an example of one where the original is

Tanner 1:42

perfect.

Andi 1:43

I

Sups 1:43

Yeah.

Andi 1:43

why you

Sups 1:45

Yeah. So in essence I think remake is when you have the first film, which is the original and the new version is an adaptation of that film or can be a direct. copy, paste of that film. Right, right. With different actors.

Andi 2:03

This also include like the whole Disney thing where they make live action versions of the cartoons? Yes. All right. So these are remakes?

Tanner 2:09

Yes. Ah,

Sups 2:10

And that's actually my lowish Hanging Fruit of the

Tanner 2:14

the Wheat

Andi 2:15

Uhoh

Sups 2:15

who is the director of the Jungle Book remake in 2016?

Andi 2:20

Oh my

Tanner 2:20

Oh man, I do not know Directors. That is nice.

Andi 2:23

to lowish. That is like at the very tip top branch. I do not know.

Tanner 2:27

Um,

Sups 2:28

It was John fau.

Andi 2:30

Oh, okay.

Sups 2:31

Yeah. he's

Tanner 2:31

he's an Iron Man and he directs one of'em. I thought.

Sups 2:34

you? Yeah.

Tanner 2:35

he's Iron Man's buddy in the

Sups 2:36

right?

Tanner 2:37

Yes. Yes he is. That's the guy?

Andi 2:38

This is gonna be really entertaining. Just say I'm doomed. I'm definitely doomed.

Sups 2:43

Okay. Fact number one. The Departed is the first remake to win best picture So the department is considered one of the most critically successful, critically acclaimed remakes. It is the only film that Martins sc he has ever got a Best Director award for

Tanner 3:04

Wow.

Andi 3:05

okay.

Sups 3:05

The Departed as a remake of a film from Hong Kong called in. Affairs, which released in 2002.

Tanner 3:13

I did not know it was a rema. That's surprising

Andi 3:16

we gotta start there. Cause I didn't know this movie was a remake. Yeah. How would you describe the movie for people who haven't seen it?

Sups 3:21

Okay, the plot of departed is you have, there is a police guy who's been put as a mole. In a gang. And he's like, you know, he's collecting evidence so that the police can build up a case, right? And then the movie ends with a lot of shooting. All the lead characters, they all

Andi 3:39

Yeah. I remember Basically there's a bunch of white guys. Yes. And they all die

Sups 3:44

Yes. It's so that's literally the last thing of the film. Yeah. It is such

Andi 3:48

such a

Tanner 3:49

movie. There's, there's a mole in the organized crime and then there's also a reverse mole in the please. It's so good.

Andi 3:57

this sounds like a movie for boys.

Tanner 3:58

It is, it really is

Andi 4:00

I guess you described the departed as kind of like a, almost a mystery thriller, police kind of drama thing. Mm-hmm. yeah. Right. And it you're saying on the original was foreign, so it's from Hong Kong. Hong Kong, yes. Okay. I could believe that. I feel like there was a period, especially in the early two thousands where. Hollywood just made foreign movies again. Yeah. Of a lot of

Tanner 4:21

remakes. Yeah. I remember that being a thing. Yeah.

Andi 4:24

like A lot of horror movies. They were like, there was the Japanese originals and then they made the American remake. But to the fact, yes. Is it The first remake?

Sups 4:33

to win a best picture Yes. at the Oscars in 2007.

Andi 4:39

See that's where I find that a little hard to.

Tanner 4:41

That's pretty late to be.

Andi 4:42

Yeah. Because I think that this practice, especially taking foreign films I feel like people were doing that way back. Old Hollywood. Yeah. So that seems a little surprising that it would be so recent. Yeah. it seems pretty hard to believe that a remake in the modern sense would win Best picture. Mm-hmm. But this practice, like the departed, the academy maybe didn't turn up its nose so much at maybe Yeah.

Tanner 5:10

that's a very good point. I believe that.

Andi 5:12

I want to hear more facts.

Tanner 5:13

Yeah.

Sups 5:14

Okay. Fact number two. Every lead actor took a major bake gut in order to produce ocean's. 11.

Andi 5:22

Okay? Yes. I, I think I have seen

Tanner 5:25

Yes. I have seen this one.

Sups 5:27

Okay.

Tanner 5:27

We're talking about the remake one with Brad Pitt. Yes, yes, yes.

Andi 5:30

And I've seen the original with Frank Sinatra.

Sups 5:32

yes. Yeah. Yep. So directed by Steven Soderberg and released in 2001, oceans 11 is the first installment of the trilogy. The original Oceans 11 came out in August, 1960, and the film was, By five of the rat pack. So Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. Peter Lawford and Joey Bishop. the 2001 remake they only had a budget of$85 million. And so if every actor, because there was so

Tanner 6:07

many Yeah.

Sups 6:09

Yeah, all the big actors and if they actually charge what they usually charge for movies. Then it would've never been made. So George Clooney, sort of led by example by offering to cut his salary. Julia Roberts, for example, she asked for 20 million

Andi 6:24

originally. Yeah,

Sups 6:25

originally

Tanner 6:25

out of this 84 million, that would've been lot. that's her

Sups 6:28

Like

Andi 6:29

right? That's how much it costs to get Julia Robertson, your

Tanner 6:32

yeah, they would've run out of money

Sups 6:33

very quickly. Yeah. So in an interview, George Clooney, said that if we. get paid. We can make the movie. So why don't we all just take a big chunk of the backend, work cheap, and see if there's any money at the end? The gamble, paid off, yes, cost. This became one of the highest crossing firms. They made like$450 million, so five times the original budget. Wow. And three times what they managed to steal from the casino.

Andi 7:00

Oh

Sups 7:01

Yeah. George Clooney also wasn't a big fan of the original movie,

Tanner 7:05

Huh.

Andi 7:06

The original is Boring

Sups 7:08

Yes.

Andi 7:09

All right. So this fact seems fairly reasonable because it is a big ensemble cast from what I remember, which I don't remember

Tanner 7:17

much

Andi 7:18

I, I don't really remember much of either, but I know I've technically seen the first non, the original, Yeah. Anyway. So I could see how money could be an issue in making that movie because of the ensemble cast, but also why did they care so much? It's not like, it's like such a great story that we must make this movie. have second.

Tanner 7:41

to. That's so important. Bring this to light. Yeah. also I like that they decided to like split the winnings afterwards, just like in movie.

Sups 7:49

Yeah.

Andi 7:49

All right, let's hear some more.

Sups 7:52

Fact number three, all remakes of the movie. A Star is Born have won an Oscar in different categories.

Tanner 8:01

Okay. A Star is born with,

Andi 8:03

There are multiple remakes of

Sups 8:06

There are four remakes. Wow. Of a Star is born. So we know of course, the 2018 film starring Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga

Andi 8:15

didn't see it

Sups 8:16

as the fourth movie. Originally it released in 1937. the plot of all the films A singer who is way past his prime and. Alcohol addiction. discovers another female singer who isn't a star yet. So he mentors. They fall in love, they get married, and she starts to get more and more popular and he becomes more and more alcoholic

Tanner 8:41

Oh,

Andi 8:42

Oh,

Tanner 8:43

Now I don't need to see

Sups 8:44

films. Yeah. So the 1937 film, the first one it won an Oscar in the best original story. This category has since been discontinued by the Academy. Then the next three make was in 1954, and the film won an Oscar in best actress Judy Garland.

Tanner 9:04

Ah. Oh,

Andi 9:06

I do remember that being a thing.

Sups 9:08

that was her comeback movie.

Andi 9:09

Yeah. I feel like that's like the, Original when people were referred to the original. It's that one. Okay.

Tanner 9:14

The Judy Garland one, Judy Garland one,

Sups 9:16

in. Then the third one was in 1976, which won an Oscar in best cinematography. Barbara a Streisand was in the third one. Yeah. And then the 2018 film, which won an Oscar in the best original song, shallow by Lady Gaga. Okay.

Tanner 9:33

Okay.

Sups 9:34

Yep.

Tanner 9:34

It's a lot of Oscars to go around for the same story.

Andi 9:37

That was apparently a very compelling story. Yeah. Because people keep making movies and movies, apparently I haven't seen none of these. I've heard the song cuz I remember the song being a thing. He's not a good singer. It's almost as bad as Gerard Butler

Tanner 9:51

Oh God.

Andi 9:52

of the Opera.

Tanner 9:53

Oh God.

Andi 9:55

He's not a singer, he is an actor, you know? Yeah. So, okay. I can kind of see this. So the fact is that each version won an Oscar in a different category.

Tanner 10:05

That's so, interesting.

Andi 10:06

honestly, the fact could have just been, they've all won Oscars. Right. Which would be shocking enough. Yeah. Because it's the same story over and over again. Yeah. But then I feel like it makes it more believable that they're each different categories, cuz Okay. seems reasonable. I mean, maybe soups made up the categories. Maybe not all of them won. I don't know. It'd be a pretty involved lie.

Tanner 10:25

Yeah. I mean, from my previous knowledge, none of them could have won. You know, I, I don't know that any of them won. This is all news to me, but it would make sense that they all did well. So then they were remade,

Andi 10:37

Mm-hmm. you. they're probably gonna remake it in 20 more

Sups 10:40

Yeah, I guess, Yeah,

Tanner 10:43

The Lady Gaga of 20 years from now,

Andi 10:45

it will still be Lady

Tanner 10:46

Gaga. Yes, Well, I think that one's pretty believable.

Andi 10:50

Yeah. hard to see. It would be a very involved

Tanner 10:54

Mm-hmm. But we have another one to

Sups 10:55

here. Yes. So fact number four. The original casino royal film was in fact a parody movie.

Tanner 11:05

So we're talking James Bond films now?

Sups 11:08

We're and we are talking about the original one, which released in 1967 loosely based on the 1953 novel of the same name, casino Royale. It's the first novel to feature James Bond. The film stars David Nevin as James Bond. in this movie. James Bond is forced out of retirement to investigate why spies around the world are disappearing. The 2006 remake of Casino Royal, which was Daniel Craig his first movie as James Bond. In this film, his character is on an assignment to bankrupt the terrorist financier, Lesh in a high stakes poker game in Monte. The original movie had an ensemble cast including Peter Sellers, Woody Allen, arson Wells of, have you seen the movie, the original one? the remake, You have seen the remake. Okay. So

Andi 12:03

the

Sups 12:04

original one

Tanner 12:05

you've

Andi 12:05

seen? I've seen none of them

Sups 12:07

of them. Okay. So I'm gonna describe one scene from the original movie. All right, so Jimmy Bond, who's the nephew of James Bond, reveals that he has plans to use biological warfare to make all women beautiful. and kill all men over four foot six inches, leaving him as the big man who gets all the gold So he, that's

Tanner 12:33

the level of like seriousness that we're

Sups 12:35

Yes. in this mo Yeah. And the last scene of that film is that basically there is an atomic pill. Somebody ate so now that person is a bomb and he of course explodes. Destroying the Casino Royal with everyone inside. And the film ends with where James Bond and all his agents, they're in heaven and Jimmy Bond is shown descending to hell

Tanner 13:00

Oh my god. I really, really wish they did a shot for shot remake with Daniel Craig and just took it seriously.

Andi 13:07

I, I'm so confused about what's happening. So it's a Bond movie? Yes, but not really.

Tanner 13:15

Right. It was a parody. The

Sups 13:17

original, I mean, the plot line from the book is the same, but just the treatment of bond in the. Bond is of course, more serious, but the way bond was played out was more like comic.

Andi 13:28

Okay. So then they brought back the real seriousness. Honestly, that's why I don't like the new bonds. because they're so super used. Bond is, bond has kids and is gonna die. Like, come on man. No one wants this. you know, I wanna see him punching sharks and Like I, you know,

Tanner 13:44

Yeah. Now you wanna watch the 67 version,

Andi 13:46

right? Yeah. I guess I could believe that

Tanner 13:48

It's still pretty unbelievable.

Andi 13:50

Yeah. I don't know what any of that has to do with the casino

Tanner 13:54

Yeah. I want to believe that one. Cuz the movie sounds ridiculous. I haven't

Sups 13:58

it.

Andi 13:58

And then again, it's such an involved lie.

Tanner 14:01

Yeah.

Andi 14:01

To say that this was a remake of that, that is pretty involved.

Tanner 14:05

Yeah. I've seen the remake. I know how serious it is to say that the original wasn't anything like that. Pretty unbelievable.

Andi 14:12

Interesting. So can you repeat the four facts? Yes. And then we'll guess which one is not true

Sups 14:18

Alright. Fact number one, the departed as the first remake to win a best picture at the Oscars. Fact number two, every lead actor took a major pay cut to make oceans 11. Fact number three, all remakes of the movie A Star is Born have won an Oscar in different categories. And fact number four, the original casino Royal film was a parody movie.

Andi 14:54

Yeah. So paying attention to like the details of the facts. Yeah. I start to see where maybe some lies could be because before I was like, I don't know man. Like sure. So he said every main actor. Right. So that means if one actor, mm-hmm. I don't know who was in that movie other than George Clooney Brad Pitt and Julie Rappers, cuz you mentioned

Sups 15:13

that

Tanner 15:13

Oh boy. There's so many more

Sups 15:16

so many

Andi 15:17

more. I know it's an ensemble, but I don't remember who. But like if one of them, yeah, was like,

Tanner 15:22

yeah,

Andi 15:23

you have to pay me, then his facts a lie. Right.

Tanner 15:25

Yes. Which one are you leaning towards though?

Andi 15:27

one? well, that's what I'm saying. I brought it up because I was thinking like, okay, maybe that's the lie. It's just this one bit Otherwise, the first one

Tanner 15:34

You think that the departed wasn't the

Andi 15:36

Yeah, Cuz one before that we kept talking about how, I mean even a lot of these, like there were remakes in the fifties and so like I just find it. Pretty shocking. Yeah. But then again, as often happens is the truth is more shocking than a lie. Right. Best picture is pretty serious award. Right. but I think that to me, that just seems like an easy area to lie. Mm-hmm. otherwise, the other ones must have complicated lies and I don't know where they could be, so,

Tanner 16:01

I would hundred percent see where you're coming from because the departed being the first leaves so much time open. Mm-hmm. as a lie. You know, 2000, was it 2007? Yeah, 2007. There's so many years between the original and the re. for a different movie to have won the Oscars. So I don't even have to think of one. I can just say that there was one. Right. For the last one, the Casino Royale, I know what the cover of the movie looks like, so I'm inclined to believe that it's a very sixties style

Andi 16:29

Yeah. Cuz you researched bond

Tanner 16:31

Yeah. Yeah. I also worked at a library where we had this movie, so I've seen the cover. So I believe that one. the ocean's 11 one sounds believable.

Andi 16:42

Yeah. very easy to be But there is that space where there's a lie. So that maybe,

Tanner 16:46

And then I'm but like I think a star is born. There's a lot of places where that could be a lie. Just one of them. Didn't win an Oscar. And then it's false.

Andi 16:56

right.

Tanner 16:56

So I'm gonna go with that. I think one of those multiple remakes didn't win an Oscar.

Andi 17:01

they won the same Oscar.

Tanner 17:03

Oh, sure. Yeah.

Sups 17:04

All right. Okay. So we've got fact number one and fact number three. the one that is the lie is actually fact number three.

Tanner 17:13

Aha.

Sups 17:14

All versions of a star is. Has nominations, but only three of them won. So the first, movie, the 1937, it had seven nominations and it won two Oscars. The 1955 won with Judy Garland had six nominations, but it didn't win. any award. Mm-hmm.

Tanner 17:34

Nope.

Sups 17:35

19 77, 4 nominations and one award. And the 2018 Eight nominations and one award.

Andi 17:44

Okay.

Sups 17:45

I guess the only film which has all the remakes have done so well. The

Andi 17:50

Yeah. Right. I mean, even getting nominated, like most remakes don't get nominated for

Tanner 17:56

Yeah.

Sups 17:57

And then

Tanner 17:57

to have three remakes mm-hmm.

Andi 17:59

they keep doing it. Well,

Tanner 18:00

Wow. What they

Sups 18:01

keep you're doing.

Andi 18:01

Yeah.

Sups 18:02

know that this is

Tanner 18:02

like a

Sups 18:03

sure shot,

Andi 18:03

Yeah. Apparently. Right. I remember people really being into that and not the song I of course have heard in the song, but

Tanner 18:09

but even with those Oscars, there wasn't a best picture for a remake until the

Sups 18:14

party. Exactly. Exactly.

Tanner 18:16

Huh.

Andi 18:16

honestly, I think it becomes much less likely as time goes on, because I feel like remakes they have a stigma. Yeah. And so

Sups 18:22

I have a feeling it was basically they were just paying dues to Martin's courses. Yeah. Because it's never one for you to, when you make such amazing movies. Yeah. And you didn't win nothing for all. They were like, okay, finally this one. okay.

Andi 18:36

it is interesting to think about remakes and that kind of thing cuz I'm one of those people who's, I don't have a super high opinion of the concept, but I guess sometimes you forget what movies are remakes and what aren't, and so it's interesting. Yeah. I'm a little disappointed. D wasn't on there, but I

Sups 18:49

understand Cause

Tanner 18:50

the Yeah. true.

Andi 18:53

Now I know, and I guess I should have Thanks for listening to this episode of the I Should Have Known podcast. We have one more new episode for you coming out soon, and then there'll be more nuanced, but there won't be new themed. You get it And as always, thanks for listening. In His balls.

Tanner 19:12

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