Embracing chaos and life’s uncertainties ~ Voices of the Goddess with Stephanie Anderson Ladd

Peace or chaos? Orderly or messy?

Which one are you willing to embrace as you take that risk and embark on your journey to find your own Goddess within?

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Stephanie Anderson Ladd is a psychotherapist and an author. She’s the author of “Goddesses of Self-care: 30 Divine Feminine Archetypes to Guide you” which was published last year. Her practice focuses on the spiritual means to understand one’s Self.

Join us as we take a closer look at Stephanie’s journey and discover through the spiritual lens how life unfolds amidst the constant changes and uncertainties.

One thing to learn from her story is that death and destruction are necessary for new things to be born or be reborn.

What are you willing to let go for something new to come?

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Link to Stephanie’s new book - Goddesses of Self-care: 30 Divine Feminine Archetypes to Guide You
https://www.amazon.com/Goddesses-Self-Care-Divine-Feminine-Archetypes-ebook/dp/B09WM39VS5?ref_=ast_author_mpb

Book mentioned by Stephanie:
Women who Run with the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés

Stephanie Anderson Ladd’s Website:
https://www.stephanieandersonladd.com/

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Co-host Graciela, is a published, award-winning and professionally certified portrait photographer specializing in Boudoir and Personal Branding. She create portraits of who you are and not just what you look like so that you can become who you’ve always been.

Website: http://www.gracielalaurent.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gracielalaurentphotography/
Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graciela-valdes/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gracielalaurentphotography

Co-host Julietta, the Magical PT is the owner and founder of Body and Soul PT, as well as Soul Candy: intuitive, hand-made and one-of-a-kind jewelry and artwork. She supports people in finding the magic within themselves, creating balance in their body and soul.

Websites: https://bodyandsoul-pt.ccom & https://soulcandy.love/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheMagicalPT & ht

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Julietta & Graciela

Transcript

Julietta  00:02

Welcome to season three of voices of the goddess podcast, where we empower, inspire and uplift women to be the Goddesses they truly are. I'm your co-host Julietta, the magical PT, owner and founder of body and soul PT, as well as soul candy, intuitive, handmade and one of a kind jewelry and artwork. I support people in finding the magic within themselves, creating balance in their body and soul.

Graciela  00:27

And I'm your other co-host Graciela published award winning and professionally certified portrait photographer specializing in boudoir and personal branding. I create portraits of who you are and not just what you look like so that you can become who you've always been. Join us each week as we sit down for a heart to heart chat sharing stories and insights with listeners across the globe. laughter and tears alike abound as we access ancient wisdom in modern times through unique and exciting storytelling, supporting you on your life's journey. Welcome to the circle and enjoy the show.

Julietta  00:58

Hello, everybody. Welcome to voices of the Goddess. Good morning, Graciela. 

Graciela  01:04

Good morning, good morning. I shouldn't timestamp this by saying good morning because I know people listen at every time of day. So hello beings. How about that?

Julietta  01:14

We could play this whole out, but it's alright, it's alright.

Graciela  01:17

It's all good. How are you doing?

Julietta  01:20

I am doing good. You know, it's a Monday morning. Today when we're recording. It might not be Monday morning when you're listening. But I like Mondays. 

Graciela  01:32

Time is arbitrary. Anyway. It's all just right.

Julietta  01:35

It's made up. But no, I know. Like a lot of people don't like Mondays because like you gotta go back to work. But I like Mondays.

Graciela  01:45

I like Mondays. I know, right? I literally I've never had a problem with Mondays. Maybe it's because I'm always thinking a day ahead. Like, what do I have to do tomorrow? And what's my next thing and so I'm excited to get started. But even when I had a regular day job, I never dreaded Mondays. It wasn't a thing. I don't know, I have so many other things to pick on. But Mondays is not one of them.

Julietta  02:08

So what do you do this weekend? 

Graciela  02:10

Oh, girl, let me tell you I have well, you know, my daughter is 13. And she's really into this anime world. And so I went to something called Otaku Fest, which I have been purposely Miss Otaku. Yes. It's basically a convention for fans of anime. But I've been torturing my daughter all week, because I've been calling it Waka Dooku Fest and Wiki Diki Fest, and she's like "Mom, it's Otaku." And I'm like, whatever. It's just blah, blah, blah, Fest, you know, and I thought 

Julietta  02:41

How was that?

Graciela  02:42

It was actually really sweet. I'm not personally a big anime fan. Like, I don't even I mean, we're probably gonna lose like 47 listeners here. But I'm not even into like Marvel or DC. I don't know the difference of the comic, whatever. I'm just not a comics person. But it was really neat. It kind of reminded me to be honest of like, when I go to motorcycle rallies, like you have in your head, what you think it's going to be like, and then when you get there, it's just regular people doing regular things and having a good time. I really had to resist the urge to walk up to everybody and say, "What's your day job?" Because everybody's dressed up like in full costume. Like you could tell some of these costumes took months to put together. And they're just 

Julietta  03:28

Is your daughter wearing a costume?

Graciela  03:29

Oh, yeah, she had a whole cosplay thing going she had yeah, she was very very cool. 

Julietta  03:34

Were you wearing a costume? 

Graciela  03:35

I probably looked like I was wearing a costume but my costume was hot tired mess mom following her daughter around that was my look. When it was just is really neat. And actually one of the things you know, I'm a boudoir photographer, right? So I'm constantly hyper aware of how people feel in their bodies because healing a lot of that is a big part of what I do with my photography. 

And I have to tell you, there was not one person there that I saw that was like checking their hair checking their body like everybody just looked so comfortable and so happy and they just looked like I don't know like not worried you know how like when you're the different one right and you're in a certain group you can you're fidgety you feel uncomfortable, right? All of these things. Everybody here was as if like someone had opened the secret door to like where you get to just be yourself, you know? 

Julietta  04:33

In their tribe, 

Graciela  04:34

right it was it that's exactly what it was. It was just it was really cool. It was really cool. Also, I got overcharged like five bucks for like a thing of ice cream. That's not even like one scoop. And I was like, oh but you know, you're at the fest you play the best prices so, but my daughter was in consumer heaven. She bought a million you know figurines and you know, just things stuff. She kept on buying stuff. So, but she was happy. It was cool. But it was I was I was also thinking like, okay, as an extroverted introvert myself, I need to go home and rest. Because it is definitely overstimulating.

Julietta  05:21

Yeah, I avoid stuff like that as much as I can. And I think that's one thing that is a big misconception out there is what is introvert and what is extrovert and because really what it means extroverts are people that get energy from being around other people, introverts recharge being alone. And so I think you're a little bit better at it than I am. But I can pretend to enjoy being around people and converse and make conversation. But I'm very, truly an introvert and go crazy when I don't have my alone time. So yeah, events like that. Definitely stress me out. 

Graciela  06:10

For me, it depends on what the theme of the event is, right? Like, in a bit, I'm gonna go to a like, when I go to photography conventions, I'm a little bit more perky. I'm a little bit more interested. But like the last time I went to photography convention at night, they so they vote to have programming all day. And then they would have like an hour break. And then at night, they would have parties, and I could never make it to the parties. I would finish my day, and then I'd have to just go back and just chill like just, you know, and plus, I was in Phoenix, and it was like 100, literally 100 degrees, I would walk into my hotel room, rip on my clothes off, turn the air down as low as possible and be like nobody talks. So yeah, I get that I get recharging, and you're by yourself.

Julietta  06:52

So you could be a shy extrovert. 

Graciela  06:55

Maybe, 

Julietta  06:56

like wanting to be around people, but not. I don't really want to act with them.

Graciela  07:04

I do like being around people, because I love that. Like I love people. I love chatting, you know, also like, no, I need my recharges definitely by myself, for sure. For sure. Yeah, like I love my children. And I'm like you have hit your interaction limit with mom today. So I'm going to need you to just pack it up and go to your bedroom. And then you can come back in 20 minutes.

Julietta  07:27

All right. Let's bring our guest on.  Let's do it. 

Graciela  07:32

Here she is 

Julietta  07:33

Welcome, Stephanie. 

Graciela  07:35

Welcome. 

Julietta  07:37

Thanks for joining us, would you please take a moment to introduce yourself to our audience and tell them a little bit about who you are and what you do? 

Stephanie  07:46

Sure, thank you for having me. I am a psychotherapist and an author. I have a new book out called Goddesses of self-care: 30 divine feminine archetypes to guide you. And you know, my book is really kind of a combination of psychology and spirituality and creativity, I would say.

Julietta  08:11

I have to say because I've seen it and it is just, it's gorgeous. Like the book like even if for nothing else, just get it to look at the beauty of the book. It's I mean, it's goddesses. So of course, it's beautiful, but very, very well done. And I you know, there'll be links for people to check out where they can find it, but congratulations, great job.

Stephanie  08:37

Thank you, I really appreciate it. It was it was really, I feel like it's kind of like a lifetime, all everything about my life is sort of culminated in this book, you know, just everything I've been interested in and how I have worked with women, and just creativity and all that just, you know, all came together and, and I'm excited to you know, kind of get the word out and hopefully, you know, women will be attracted to to it because they can learn so much about themselves and, you know, discover the Goddess within.

Graciela  09:10

And I'd love that you're a psychotherapist, you know, whenever we get books like this, you always imagined someone locked away in a cabin, you know, just feverishly writing away. But you have a day job, you have a whole another life right that you've lived. So I'm curious how those two things dovetailed. You know, the, I'd love to really hear just one of your great success stories. But tell us a little bit more about how those two things work together.

Stephanie  09:39

Okay, yeah, I would kind of consider that a success story, which is that so I've been a therapist for about 30 years and about 10 years into my work as a psychotherapist. I started really embracing my own inner artist and finding creative ways to express myself And I started introducing that to clients. And, you know, not everybody was always going to be interested in that path. But many, many women in particular, have really embraced a lot of what I started to introduce. And I'm not technically an art therapist, but I really kind of started bringing that concept into our work together. 

And one of the things that I do is called Soul collage, one of the art forms, I don't know if you're familiar with that, but soul collage, is you're creating these cards, that, in a sense, you're creating a deck. And there's four suits to a deck. And the four suits represent different things, like there's an archetype suit called the Council, and then there's a suit that represents the different inner parts of a person, you know, the Critic, you know, the angry child, whatever, however, you might, the perfectionist, right, we can all identify different aspects of ourselves. 

And then there's a suit for the chakra Animal Allies, which is fun to, to play with, and learn about and figure out who your allies are in the animal world. And then the fourth suit is called the Community. And that's the people in your life, or it could be characters, but you know, or mentors, or teachers, your family members, that cute friends, anybody that has sort of been important to you in your life, you might make a card, and they're all images that you're collaging no words, just, you know, just images, which really helps you access the right side of your brain and get out of your, you know, thinking monkey mind.

Julietta  11:43

So everyone makes their own cards.

Stephanie  11:46

Yes. So yeah, that's the idea. I mean, they are your deck is, you know, personal to you. And you're creating it over time, I've been doing it for like, 20 years. And, you know, you can use them like an Oracle deck, like, you've made all these beautiful cards, and they represent different aspects of your life. And we could say, of your soul. And then like, what I do is every day, pull a card, and like, what is this card telling me today? What energy does it have? And so, in fact, I use some of the images in my book are some of the soul collages that I have created.

Graciela  12:22

Very, really beautiful. Super cool. 

Stephanie  12:24

Thank you.

Julietta  12:26

I can relate so much to your story. And I'm a physical therapist. And so, you know, you start in this western medicine, very science based evidence base. And, yes, there's always a creative side to me, which I've been definitely using much more as time evolves. And then there's also just the experiences beyond what this 3D world is about, you know, experiences outside of the 3D world. And after a while, you just can't ignore them anymore. 

And they start trickling in and becoming a part of a part of the practice. So like, when you were telling out your your story there was like, yep, yep. Yeah. And we're kind of I'm 30 years in as as a PT. And so we're kind of on the on the same timeline here. So yeah. It's always nice to know, you're not the only one stepping stepping outside the box of of our western

Stephanie  13:36

paradigm.

Julietta  13:37

Paradigm. Yes, exactly.

Graciela  13:39

And I think the time is ripe for that, I think it's the perfect time to be your full self like that. So I would encourage both of you having those gifts to like, loud and proud because it's so needed. It's

Stephanie  13:56

I agree, and I've gotten so I asked a lot of my clients, or most of them, I would even say like, so what is your creative outlet? You know, and some people are like, stumped by that, like, “I don't know”, you know, and I just feel like, that's important for us to figure out and own in, you know, play with. And, you know, I think our imagination allows us to just, you know, construct a new world, you know, and it our imagination helps us heal. You know, it helps us stay connected to the spiritual world. However, you might see that.

Julietta  14:34

I think it's important too for people, because a lot of times when we say, being creative people think that that has to be something in the art realm, whether it's, you know, yes, paintings, photography, sculpture, music, but it's not limited to that. I mean, creativity can come in so many different forms, and it might be how you landscape your lawn, or it might be how you clean or organize like, route in so many different ways. But especially as women, because it's part of, it's part of our essence to be creative. And so finding ways to express that it's important to our well being are, you know, it is self care too.

Stephanie  15:26

Absolutely.

Graciela  15:27

It's also part of evolution, right. It's how things keep moving forward, you know, I tell my kids all the time, like, get bored, I need you to get bored for a second because they're so stimulated, and there's always stuff in their faces. And I'm like, if you would just sit still long enough, I promise you that at some point, boredom takes a tiny little flip, and it's into creation. But you just got it, you just kind of sit still for a second. Right? And it's true. I know, for me, even as I do photo shoots, if I'm too focused on what's next, what's next, what's next. Like, if I'm performing for a client, then I'm not being creative. For me to be creative, I'm going to need everyone to sit uncomfortably for just about 30 to 60 seconds. And let me receive a message let me receive the message that is the creative thing that's going to take your product forward. Right, but but you if you don't clear your brain, there's no space for it. Right? 

Stephanie  16:26

Yeah, absolutely.

Julietta  16:28

So speaking of receiving messages, we'd love to know, what's one piece of advice you've received from another woman that has impacted your life in some way?

Stephanie  16:39

Well, um, let's see. Okay. When I, when I moved, I live in North Carolina, and I moved here from Los Angeles, California about 15 years ago. And that first year here was very chaotic. And it was very, you know, unmooring. You know, I know if you've make a made a big move, especially from one coast to the other. It's, you know, it just shakes your whole world up. And, you know, I was a therapist, but it took me a while to get my practice up and running and get licensed here. And if there was, it was just a mess that first year, I felt like, Oh, my God, what's happened? What did I do?

And I was talking to a woman, a colleague, she was an older woman, too. And I really admired her and looked up to her. And I was talking about how I just felt so you know, it was just felt so chaotic. And she just said, what if you embrace the chaos? And I was like, Oh, my God, yes, that is exactly what I need to do. And what would that look like, you know, and that just, it was like flipping a switch, somehow, everything that I'd sort of been fighting against and feeling like this isn't working, or what have I done, all of a sudden started to feel like, this is where I'm supposed to be. This is that liminal space, right?

When you're betwixt and between, and you hadn't really settled in yet and found my, my ground here, I could say. And so I just, and one of the goddesses that in my book that I talked about, is Kali. And you know, she's this Hindu destroyer goddess, eight arms, and she holds a scythe in one arm, and, you know, she's she, we have to, we have to destroy or in something for something new to be born, you know, so a death, we have lots of many deaths in our, in our lives. And this was one of them. It was the death of my old life, which many years in LA and starting out as a therapist there. 

And then, you know, they had to die. And it was really hard. It's having a hard time letting go. And once I started to really do that, and embrace that concept, that it's supposed to be chaotic, who says it's supposed to be orderly and easy, and, you know, fall everything fall into place, then

Julietta  19:02

boring. Yeah, I like that idea, though. Because chaos is present a lot.

Stephanie  19:10

it is.

Julietta  19:11

And, you know, I was one of the things that that comes up a lot with with clients is like, we get to be okay with the things that we don't necessarily like, because they're gonna happen. There's always going to be stuff out there in our lives that doesn't feel comfortable and easy and smooth and whatever. And we get to be okay, in those things and learning to be okay with whatever that is. A change in, I mean, that's a total cultural change moving from West Coast, the East Coast. 

I did, you know, I come from Wisconsin, and I moved to Florida a little over 25 years ago, and that was a cue, especially moving to South Florida, which feels more like Latin America sometimes than the US. But there's always going to be stuff in our life, whether it's a move or changing job or changing everything. I also feel that, you know, we don't really want to talk politics here. But looking at how people react these days to politics, it's like, some people I see, they're, they're losing their minds for this. And it's like, our elected officials are going to change every four years of these. Like, we get to be okay. You know, it's like, yes. And you still get to be okay.

Graciela  20:48

You know, I love that. Julietta like, sometimes just saying, It's okay, does actually remind you that it is actually okay. For all the philosophy and all the beautiful words in the world, I'm telling you just "It's okay" is really so powerful. Because it does, like ground you again, right? And just remind you that, "hey, it is okay." Things do change. And they always change. And Stephanie, I love that you said, you know, something has to die for something else to be reborn. I always tell my friends and clients nature abhors a vacuum, right? Create the vacuum and it will be filled with what you're looking for. You just have to focus long enough to into it, right? 

Stephanie  21:36

Yes. 

Graciela  21:37

That's really amazing. I'm just enjoying this so much. I kind of I'm kind of sitting back today and just listening to you two you guys are so great. Julietta we're gonna do, her book is her book, right? So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ask. Well, let's all ask, I'll ask. And Stephanie, if there was a book that you would recommend that you think everyone should read, obviously, other than your own. I mean, unless you're yours is the very best one. And that's okay, too.

Stephanie  22:06

Well, I've been interested in goddess spirituality for a long time, maybe, again, maybe 20, 30 years. And, you know, Women who Run with the Wolves is a classic. And I swear, it is a book I have been reading for 20 to 30 years, you know, it's, it's not a book I would ever recommend anybody try to sit down and read cover to cover at one time, right? It's too much, but it's so rich, and you just kind of go, you can go into it and read a story and then Clarissa Pinkola Estés, the author, you know, kind of talks about it and explicates it and really helps you think and feel into the themes of the stories, which are very mythic, you know, and that's also in my book, you know, these goddesses all have their own story. 

And to me, that's fascinating, like, what can we learn from these, you know, ancient myths, I've always been interested in myths and fairy tales, and all that stuff. So anyway, you know, that's what that Women who run with the Wolves is about taking these classic fairy tales and myths that we've been around for, you know, centuries. And helping us see ourselves in these stories, and particularly women, you know, and how to embrace the the wild woman within. So I would recommend

Julietta  23:28

we, we just have a book club in inside our goddess group. And that was one of the books that we did. And so like, when we had a book, it was like the book for the month. So we had to get through that book in one month. 

Stephanie  23:42

Yeah, that's it. 

Julietta  23:44

That was torture. And, I mean, it is a great book. One of the things I struggled with is, she has a very large vocabulary. And there were times I was reading the book, I'm like, I need to have my dictionary sitting next to me, because she's using so many words that I'm like "what exactly does it mean? that might be more of a book for you Graciela with your your English background. I might have enjoyed it differently if I wasn't reading it with a time deadline that I had to get it.

Stephanie  24:24

Absolutely. I think you could read one or two stories in a month. And that would be enough to take in and try to, you know, really feel into it. Because that's what those stories do. I think they can, you know, really help us look at ourselves and she's a Jungian psychologist, and I kind of use a lot of Jungian kind of concepts in my book too. Just because I think it's so rich and helps us really, you know, again understand archetypes in a way that serves us.

Graciela  24:56

Stephanie, I love that you're giving everyone permission to to take their time and savor a book, you know, usually we're on a time deadline, or we feel bad, you know that we have books pending, you know, I'm in a couple of like Facebook book groups. And it's really interesting to see how everybody approaches books, some people count them off, you know, I read 15 books this month, you know, and then other people are like, I've had the bookmark in the same spot for a while. And when I'm ready, I'll go back to it. And so I have my to be read pile, my read pile, my read again, pile, and my I'm-always-in-the-middle-of-this-book pile. 

Stephanie  25:34

I have a lot of those. Yeah.

Graciela  25:36

And that it's so funny, because that book. So one of my faults, maybe it's not a fault, maybe it's a good thing. I don't know, maybe I'm building a library, but I love books, I probably have over 2000 at my house. But I will buy it and then I'll forget that I bought it. And so I'll buy it again, because I really want to read it and I just haven't gotten to it or like I read the first three pages, and I put a bookmark in. And I'm like, I'll be back to that. And then six months later, I'll buy it again, thinking I really wanted to read this. So anyway, maybe I'm creating a lending library for my retirement age. I don't 

Stephanie  26:05

That's what I'm thinking. 

Graciela  26:06

Something like that. Yeah, so anyway, it's it was really neat. It's still on my list.

Julietta  26:13

So we do take a lot of risks on our life, you took a huge risk of moving across country and just completely changing your life there. But what we're curious to know is, what is one risk that you've taken that, you know, you will never regret?

Stephanie  26:31

Risk, um, I think becoming a therapist too. I, my first career in Los Angeles was working in television and film. I was behind the scenes person working with writers and directors. And it was a really fun, creative world for 10, 12 years. And then I just got sick of the industry and sick of the patriarchal you can imagine stuff that I had to deal with, working for men for the most part. And I just, you know, I had been in therapy myself and working with a Jungian therapist, and I was like, I want to do that I want to take control of my life.

And you know, it, it felt like a risk, you know, to leave a career that I had studied for in college and really prepared myself for and enjoyed to some degree, but it just felt like so many variables were outside of my control, you know, I'm working for them. And becoming a therapist, really, not only was it part of my healing journey, but you know, it really allowed me to, like I said, kind of take control of my life, and I can work on my time schedule. 

And I just really love working with people, particularly women, I don't mean to say that, like, I have anything against men, because they don't, but I just kind of feel like my mission in life has been to help empower women. And so, you know, I guess that would, feels like it was a risk at the time. It doesn't anymore, because I feel like that was a great decision.

Graciela  28:08

I know exactly how you feel.

Julietta  28:12

We talk a lot about how I think generations before us and even, you know, I think I think my parents kind of expected it of us kids. And they you pick your career. And that's what you're going to do for the rest of your life. Yeah. I think that's so not what we should be doing. And even though I have, you know, I graduated from high school, took a year off spend a year abroad as an exchange student, but then I went to school to become a PT. And that's what I did. And that's what I've been doing. But my, how I practice as a physical therapist has evolved and changed over the years. So how I'm working now doesn't even remotely resemble what my career was like in the beginning. And then I add all these other fun things in like becoming a podcaster. And being an artist, a jeweler, and, you know, we don't have to be one thing anymore. We don't have to pick that one career and stick to it. And

Stephanie  29:22

that's an old paradigm that I don't think it's not happening much anymore, you know, people are much more mobile and able to kind of, you know, embrace and really seek out what, what calls to them, you know, which I think is great.

Graciela  29:40

And I think so much of that is just based in time, right? Like the, you know, there was a point in time in history that that's what needed to happen. And that point in history is different now. And now we have I mean, the only reason I have the career I have now as a photographer is because the Internet was invented. If the internet had not been invented, I would not have been able to learn what I learned and advertise the way I do and find clients the way that I do and create the life. 

Julietta  30:11

Yeah, maybe, I said maybe, but it kind of feels like, I mean, what you do right now is, is so important. I mean, because you're a photographer, but you heal when you photograph people. And I feel like even without the internet, you would have found your way.

Graciela  30:31

Yes. And I do think if you think back to like the Wild West, right, like, there was one butcher, one blacksmith one, whatever. And then it was the family lineage. And so, but those were like survival times, like we're not in, we're not under duress like that anymore. Right? Like, in my opinion, if you're starving in this country, it's because there's a breakdown somewhere, because there's no reason to, I mean, there are resources, even with all their problems, there's plenty of resources. 

And so I think we I just am, all I'm saying is that we're lucky to be alive at this particular point in time, because for all its problems, it's also has the most opportunities we've ever had, right? The fact that I get to talk to Stephanie in a totally different state, and we're talking like, with no delay at all, it's instant. Like, Let's appreciate this for a second, right? Like, I did, somebody, I forgot I was on a flight or something. 

And I was like, Oh, these text messages these days are taking forever to get through. And or, and it was a comedian, that's what it was a comedian was on a flight. And he's like, well, the signal has to go from here all the way to outer space. It's gotta hit something. And then it's got to bounce all the way back down to earth. Like, give it a minute.

Stephanie  31:42

Right.

Graciela  31:44

Anyway, um, that said, Stephanie, I'm enjoying our time, so much, I would love to end on something really wonderful and sweet that we could all just cling onto if we're having a bad day. So would you share your sweetest, most delicious memory? Something we can savor?

Stephanie  32:01

Wow. Um, well, I guess for me, I, for many years of my life, didn't think I wanted to have children. And then I decided in my mid 30s, that I did, and I had a struggle to get pregnant. And then I met my husband, who I've been with for almost 30 years now. And I had my, my daughter at age 40. And, you know, I, it's, was the best thing. I'm glad I waited because I was ready to be a mother and obviously giving birth and seeing her beautiful face. And she's just a lovely part of my life. And so yeah, that would be my sweetest memories, you know, finally get being given that gift.

Graciela  32:50

That's beautiful. That's beautiful. And I love that you were 40 when you had her that term, breaking all the rules. I love it.

Stephanie  32:57

Exactly. And I always say it's never too late. Right? You can you can decide to do something late. And you know, create whatever it is never too late.

Graciela  33:06

Absolutely. 

Julietta  33:07

Awesome.  Well, this show has been jam packed full of like, great stories, great information. So thank you so much for joining us, Stephanie. And like I said, we'll have a link for people to find your book because it is gorgeous. Like,

Stephanie  33:25

thank you. Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed our conversation. And I think you guys are doing such a great job. And I love listening to your interviews. So,

Graciela  33:34

Thank you. We are because you are that's all. That's all. And and now I'm going to need one of those personalized deck so we're gonna have to continue this conversation here because 

Stephanie  33:45

look up soul collage

Graciela  33:48

I love it

Stephanie  33:48

and you can look it on my website because there's some information and resources there.

Graciela  33:53

Thank you so much, Stephanie.

Stephanie  33:55

All right. Bye Julieta, Graciela.

Julietta  33:57

Have a magical day.

Graciela  33:59

Great day.  Thank you, dear ones for joining us today. Make sure you check out the show notes for details on how to get in touch with either Julieta, Graciela or today's special guest don't forget to subscribe, review, like and share.

Julietta  34:15

Big love and gratitude for all of you. May the path before you be ever illuminated by your fellow goddesses. Shine bright and have a magical day.