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Rendlesham Forrest UFO Incident Part 2
Could time travelers be among us, influencing the course of history with cryptic binary codes? Join us as we embark on part two of our journey through the mysterious Rendlesham Forest incident and beyond. This time we explore the bizarre tales of strange lights, radiation, and the ever-evolving accounts of key witnesses like Jim Penniston and John Burroughs.
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Speaker 1:Oh, I like Frank Zappa. It was just like back then I didn't know a whole lot of Zappa music. I was like in elementary school or something.
Speaker 2:Not exactly banging down the charts in grade school.
Speaker 1:No, no, I was a Captain Beefheart fan back then obviously, you know I was just listening to bad brains.
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Speaker 1:So welcome back to Dispatch Ajax, I am Skip.
Speaker 2:I am Jake, jakebot, jakebot, beep boop. What you're hearing is a computer voice ran through AI. Ones and zeros were found and translated into a podcast from an unknown landed craft. An idiot touched said craft.
Speaker 1:I did say that yeah Well, it was stupid, a stupid thing to do really.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's just yeah, you don't, you don't just touch it lick it.
Speaker 1:You lick it. What are you talking about? Hey, what's this hole for you might as well fuck it put your dick in it it is just like the.
Speaker 1:You might as well take your helmet off and stick your hand in there, yeah, which is kind of where sort of where we left off with Penniston's account. We wanted to do a holiday episode. We were doing UFOs, we're still doing UFOs and the Rendlesham Forest incident just happened to happen supposedly around the holidays. Happened to happen supposedly around the holidays Between December 26th and 29th roundabout in 1980 in Suffolk, england, and we had heard from many of the people involved, including several witnesses, their higher ups, no-transcript, others at the base as well, plus the direct commander of the investigation team involved and his experiences the next night and the next two nights going out into the forest and investigating for himself, and all of it was a pretty harrowing account of some crazy ufo stuff. Actual physical contact. This is great. Actual physical contact.
Speaker 1:He slimed him no human being would drop a ship like this so that's kind of where we we left off and we intentionally kind of left out some of those details, because this is where it gets complicated and weird and a little difficult to parse. So after the events that we described in part one, two days after this, deputy base commander, lieutenant colonel charles holt holt sorry, how do I say Halt? He detailed events in a memo to the UK Ministry of Defense, or MOD, where he went into the forest with other servicemen in the early hours of the fortnight. After taking him to the clearing to show him the impressions on the ground, halt witnessed similar events based on those on Boxing Day, the 26th, which is actually today. Farm animals were going nuts and flashing lights descended from the sky upon the servicemen who investigated the situation. It was here where Halt measured abnormal amounts of radiation at the original landing site.
Speaker 1:Another smaller group off on a separate adventure through the forest spotted what they described as dancing red lights inside an eerily pulsating quote fog. They got on the radios and then alerted Holt's group, who suddenly then saw those same lights heading toward them, spewing forth a rainbow of colors. Meanwhile I, I, I, maybe it was Skittles, I don't know, put your tongue out. Maybe he dropped blotter acid? I don't fucking. Maybe they watched Mandy, I don't know. Put your tongue out. Maybe he dropped blotter acid, I don't fucking. Maybe they watched Mandy, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile that second group now watched a glowing, domed object in which they could see shadows of figures moving about, they said, which kind of contradicts everything that had been said before. So now we kind of have to wonder exactly who saw what and when. Both of these groups observed these events and unexplained, unidentified other objects darting around in the sky. Apparently, film and photographs were taken of these events, and that comes from journalists digging into the story itself, even though officials deny that these exist, which is weird because the official line after a while does acknowledge that this happened. Halt described three mysterious illuminations, liking them to stars, but hovering just above the horizon, with an occasional stream of light beaming down the horizon, with an occasional stream of light beaming down. Two weeks later, halt officially sent his memo the Halt memo we detailed before to the MOD. Even still, the general public was completely unaware of this. Then, subsequently, after filing this memo, supposedly two suited men visited forestry worker Vince Turkettle.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought it was Clortho, so close.
Speaker 1:He wasn't an architect, I don't think. But they bombarded this man with questions about whether he saw anything on the nights. In question Quote, they said did you leave the house at all, did you see anything? And I said what? What? I'm literally reading quotes here. This is the funniest part.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, you're talking to me.
Speaker 1:I mean, tell me this is not an X-Files episode. They said, oh, there's a report of some red lights in the forest, we're just checking. And the two of them very politely but firmly asked me probably 20 questions. I thought they were journalists. They suddenly said, oh well, fair enough, I thought they were journalists. They suddenly said, oh well, fair enough, there's probably nothing on it, and left. So I brought the papers every day for the next few days to find out what was going on and of course there was nothing. So he's essentially describing a men in black encounter.
Speaker 1:I have read other, more detailed versions of this event and it seems like they were US, possibly CIA, possibly Department of Defense officials. They weren't nondescript men in black per se, but in the initial accounts Thurkettle I guess it's Thurkettle made. It's really what it sounds like is classic men in black stuff. So the public would be completely unaware of all of this for three years when, surprisingly, the news of the world from the UK ran a front page story. It said, quote UFO lands in Suffolk and that's official, I'm pretty sure at that point the news of the world. I don't know if it was bought by Rupert Murdoch that, because it sounds like something that a Murdoch joint would have put out, but it doesn't sound all that well. Let's just say it sounds a little misleading.
Speaker 2:It is a quote unquote red top tabloid newspaper.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:In 1969, it was bought by Rupert Murdoch's media firm News.
Speaker 1:Limited. What do you know? Of course, whoa.
Speaker 2:What do you know? What do you know Also? News of the World became the Sun, oh fuck.
Speaker 1:Well, that explains that, doesn't it? Yup, the Sun is essentially the National Enquirer, mm-hmm, the National Enquirer. So Lieutenant Colonel Holt believed that what he and others saw as otherworldly craft, or at least phenomenon, he backed up over and over again over the years, all the way up until from the research I did about 2019. In 2010, he went on to say that the reports that Penniston described were real and that the UK and US governments covered it up. That Penniston described were real and that the UK and US governments covered it up. But the weird thing is that in 1983, the US government did actually acknowledge that there was some sort of quote UFO incident in Mendelssohn in 1980. That's where News of the World got that, even though a lot of the information that they put in there was from the original HALT memo. So this is where things get real weird and tangled.
Speaker 1:One of the original witnesses, ed cabinsack, said in a statement quote we figured the lights were coming from the forest, since nothing was visible when we passed through the woody forest. It's a statement. It's not really like well thought out or grammar. Checked, we would see a glowing near the beacon light, but as we got closer we found out to be a lit up farmhouse. We got to a vantage point where we could determine that what we were chasing was only a beacon light somewhere off in the distance. Another witness, john burrows, who we mentioned before, also said quote we could see a beacon going around, so we went towards it. We followed it for about two miles before we could see it was coming from a lighthouse. As American servicemen, especially at that time, they would have no clue that that existed. You think you should have let them know ahead of time. If you're scouring the skies and the shore, you should probably know there's a fucking lighthouse right up the fucking street.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, right. Also, I've seen lighthouses in the dark. It doesn't look like off the ten hauser gate. Yeah, it feels swamp gassy to me.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean sure, yeah, no, it definitely screams that, especially when this group specifically kind of like got together and had its own story and I have no doubt that they came across the farmhouse and a lighthouse. But Burroughs is the one that testified in front of Congress that he had all these horrible medical conditions after the events of Rendlesham. He was the one that was who really really suffered physically from this. So it's weird that he would debunk it and then be all. This happened because I was there, so something happened. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's bizarre, burroughs. He reported a noise quote, like a woman was screaming, and that also quote. You could hear the farm animals making a lot of noises. Now everybody said that Every person involved, skeptical or not, in the forest or not.
Speaker 2:Even Hannibal Lecter said it.
Speaker 1:And then they stopped screaming.
Speaker 2:Clarice. What did you see in the forest?
Speaker 1:Clarice. What do you hear? Nothing but the rain. That's a deep cut and that completely is corroborated by. Halt heard the exact same situation two nights later. Now, one of the wrenches that can be thrown into this part of it is the local fauna. The Montjack deer makes a loud, shrill bark when they're alarmed, which would explain the woman screaming, but the fact that they were alarmed along with the other local farm animals, that's still a mystery to this point.
Speaker 1:After the US kind of acknowledged all of this, then US Senator James Axson launched an extensive but very, very secret inquiry into this encounter.
Speaker 1:He was really adamant and vocal about it in Congress, did the inquiry, did this secret investigation, and yet never revealed his findings even to his own staff members staff members later on he would say only that he learned, quote additional information that ties rendlesham to quote other unexplained ufo incidents, and then dropped it, maybe just saving face when you were told this is classified, don't talk about it anymore. Or well, really, just that. Either way, whether it was, let's not talk about this because it's bullshit and it's not real and we don't want to be embarrassed, or this is something really, really serious, don't talk about it because it's classified and if you do, you're an asshole and we'll black site you, that kind of thing. But either way, during this whole thing, jim Pedison is the most important character. Obviously he's the one of the two men who went into the force. Physically he was the one that touched the ufo. He claims he's the one that blacked out, was blinded do you think it was was because of the light?
Speaker 2:or was his? Was his future too bright?
Speaker 1:well, in that case he would have worn shades see, but he doesn't wear sunglasses at night I mean he, so he could see it's a 1980s feedback loop. The MTV.
Speaker 2:Ouroboros, I believe.
Speaker 1:It's the license to drive Ouroboros of the 1980s, corey Haim, I believe. License to drive yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, although I think the fell dog was in that as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think they just threw bones to each other constantly.
Speaker 2:You don't want to rephrase that statement?
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't Okay cool, no, I stand by that. If you've ever seen Dream a Little Dream, it's like why are they both in this?
Speaker 2:I mean really, you only needed one Corey to time.
Speaker 1:Is there a Corey superposition that we're not aware of? Is there a quantum entangled Corrie Heisenberg's Corries? So Pendenson detailed all of this. He claimed in a notebook His USAF assigned notebook right, and he talked about this a lot, especially in later interviews. He claimed that after he touched the ufo he saw in his mind's eye a series of ones and zeros that essentially incapacitated him and he went back to his bunk the next day then transcribed all the ones and zeros he was seeing, Because it didn't happen like there on site.
Speaker 2:No, from what I remember, he just couldn't get it out of his head, right, and he felt compelled to write it down.
Speaker 1:Right, like in Buckaroo Bonsai.
Speaker 2:Exactly like Buckaroo Bonsai.
Speaker 1:Which I actually might be with Buckaroo Bonsai's riffing on, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Well, possibly, but the thing about that is, nobody really knew about the notebook, for decades.
Speaker 1:That's a good point, which actually, kind of, is the problem here. Penniston claims that he went back to his bunk, slept the next day. He still had the ones and zeros in his eyes, couldn't get them out of his sight. There's a movie like that too, is it the Pulse? I don't know know it doesn't matter. He cannot get this out of his field of vision. And so he, in all of a sudden I'm joseph smith moment transcribes all of these ones and zeros in his official united states air force assigned notebook. That he, by the way, also had supposedly drawn diagrams of the ship, of its landing legs, its landing gear or whatever details about the ship in general, sketches of how it looked and where it was, things like that. Then, as soon as he had transcribed all the ones and zeros on golden plates and buried them in upstate new york oh wait, oh wait, no, um, as soon as he transcribed, he founded a new religion that we all know as the truth he put his face in a hat and then transcribed all these man.
Speaker 1:Everybody wants to know about that. Look at how mormonism started all of a sudden as soon as he had transcribed these things, as soon as you put them on paper, they disappeared from his sight. He didn't see them anymore. He then this part kind of bothers me. He then claims to have put the notebook away and didn't even think about it again until the year 2010.
Speaker 2:You know, you just randomly write a whole notebook full of ones and zeros. I'm like, oh, that's weird, All right Well see you later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that won't be important at all in any of the subsequent interviews or debriefings that he has to do over the years. No, I just didn't think about it. That really bothers me. I mean, if Joseph Smith had done that, that I be. I mean, mormonism would be way different for 30 years. He's just like, oh shit, I forgot about that. Yeah, they're in my bag. What are you talking about? This is important. You met an angel.
Speaker 2:So then he claims in 2010, during a conversation he had with a researcher and I don't really know exactly what made him seek out the researcher- it's my understanding, at least from what I read, that he was being interviewed for Ancient Aliens for the History Channel, and after they had, like, done all their interviews, they were wrapping up their stuff. He's like oh hey, did I ever show you guys this?
Speaker 1:It's like I found this oh no, no, we're gonna get to that part. The sci-fi channel does this. So he does a whole thing where he does like an interview or something in like 2009, where he starts thinking about it again and in 2010 he has a conversation with this guy where he mentions the numbers in the notebook. The researcher immediately is like well, that's binary code. For some reason, once again, he doesn't know what binary code is. Yeah, he's like oh, I'll help you decipher it.
Speaker 2:It's researcher Joe Luciano. Hey, it's Joe.
Speaker 1:Luciano, it's Joe from the block. He knows all about binary.
Speaker 2:Oh, Joe.
Speaker 1:Jumping Joe Luciano over here, but this is really well documented, which is one of the fascinating things. Was this researcher did? He took all of these claims very, very seriously, though there are gaps in this transcription because Pattinson's writing was illegible in places. Okay, I'll give you a summation and then we'll go down the list of what each of these things means.
Speaker 2:Right, and then we can get into a major issue. Yes, just one of the major issues with this 50 million major issues. Yeah issue.
Speaker 1:Yes, just one of the major issues with this 50 million major issues. Yeah, I'm physically looking at the actual documents done by joe luciano, who does not seem like a grifter. It seems like a completely sincere person genuinely thinks there's something going on here right yeah I don't think there's ever been like an accusation that joe luciano didn't believe that he was onto something here.
Speaker 2:It's my understanding at least from the interview I saw is that lu Luciano didn't believe that he was onto something here. It's my understanding, at least from the interview I saw, is that Luciano and his crew took these also like Linda Moulton Howe, met up with another researcher and they both ran the numbers quote unquote separately and came to similar conclusions.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's complicated because you would need that extra expertise to come to some of the conclusions they came to. Complicated because you would need that extra expertise to come to some of the conclusions they came to. So, based on the way that Luciano and, yes, other people that he had consulted and he does, you know what? He does a very, very, very good job of documenting things. He provides his interpretations and then a legend, because everything that he puts in there are color coded, things that he thinks are things that they had to fill in gaps, things that are very much quote-unquote word-for-word from Pedenson, and then stuff that is not legible or nonsensical, and so he flags all that. He's using at least some sort of real scientific method here. He's going out of his way to make sure he's covering his bases.
Speaker 2:Or at least being somewhat honest with the process and saying hey, I'm not 100% sure, I think this is what it is, but I think this might be wrong. I'm not 100% sure on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's going very early. Bud Hopkins, we should not besmirch Joe Luciano other than the fact that he's jumping. Joe Luciano, hey, we're having fun with your name. Joe, let's play some stickball. Hey, I got to get some prosciutto downtown. I don't know Jesus, I don't fucking know. Based on his translation of the binary code, essential text that comes out Exploration of humanity 666-8100. Next line 100. Next line 52.0942532 north, 13.131269 west. Okay, those are longitude and latitude. Next line continuous for planetary advan and then illegible. So they assume advantage or advance. That's not even enough letters. So advantage, I guess, or no, it's too many letters. I don't really know what they think they're going for there. Next line, fourth coordinate, continue out U-Q-S-C-B-P-R, the word before 16.76, 31, 77 north, 89, 11, 776 west, and then a cascading series of longitude and latitude coordinates right.
Speaker 2:At least two, four, six more.
Speaker 1:Six more eyes, then the word origin, and then another longitude, latitude, and then next line, origin, year 8100. So suddenly it's Prince of Darkness.
Speaker 2:That'd be awesome if it was.
Speaker 1:Yes, it would be crazy if, accidentally, john Carpenter was a prescient prophet.
Speaker 2:Well see, he got visions that he then translated into binary code, oh man, and he wrote a script based on that.
Speaker 1:For every John Carpenter particle there's an anti-particle.
Speaker 2:We're going to get to that. God. What's an anti-John Carpenter particle? Michael Bay, oh, Bayons yeah.
Speaker 1:The Bayons, one of the more controversial quarks that they've identified.
Speaker 2:In Star Trek. They power ships actually.
Speaker 1:You have Martin Lawrence Bayons, Megan Fox Bayons, and then you have Bayon, New Jersey.
Speaker 2:Weirdly, the Nucleus is a talking robot that turns into a car.
Speaker 1:I was like he's a talking robot. I'm like is it Runaway? Is it Rocky III? Is it Transformers? Which could it be? Well, that's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, right there. We don't know. It could be any of those.
Speaker 2:I like my talking robot box that until you open it you don't know what talking robot it is.
Speaker 1:It could be any of those. It could be Rosie from the Jetsons, we don't know. That stereo that Tom Selleck was fucking. It's really hard to tell. Hey, after a couple beers late Thursday night, she's looking pretty good, she got her heads rattled and that's why she started cooking spaghetti in a fucking coffee pot.
Speaker 2:Circuitry full of goo.
Speaker 1:So in this scenario we're going human speed. There are coordinate numbers and they actually go out of their way to chart where these places are. Between pages one and five you get coordinates in a place called High.
Speaker 2:No, it's called High Brazil. It's a mythical island from maps in the nearly 700 years that doesn't exist. It's like off the coast of Ireland. It's this phantom island in the Atlantic.
Speaker 1:Oh good, we need more of those, please. How many of those are there?
Speaker 2:I think the last time it was seen was like was it the 1500s? Maybe the last time it was seen was like was it the 1500s? Maybe Last time it was seen, come on, it disappeared.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, exactly Like Atlantis or like Hiberia. No, that's Conan, you know what. It's just as valid honestly. Before the seas, drank Atlantis. Yeah, there was an age undreamed of okay, so the next one was caracal belize, and then you know what this one I will grant you sedona, arizona yep this has been a sticking point, a uh, a nexus for a lot of people in UFO communities, in paranormal communities. That one almost makes sense. But then you get to. It's funny. It just says the Great Pyramid in Giza.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, there are a lot of pyramids in Giza.
Speaker 2:Which one has the big great sign over it. That's the one he's talking about.
Speaker 1:All right, that's whatever. The Nazca Lines in Peru are the next ones, which are, at least you know, that's.
Speaker 2:It's relevant to the topic.
Speaker 1:Sure, there we go, sure. The next one would be Taishuan Chu.
Speaker 2:Taishuan Ku I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to conjugate in translation a Q and a U, but I know QI is chi, so I assumed that.
Speaker 2:I heard someone say it out loud, so that's why I was doing it, but who knows if they knew what they were talking about.
Speaker 1:Well, that's fair. That's what we were talking about, ufo.
Speaker 2:I mean it's Mount Taishan, which is apparently the most famous sacred mountain of China, supposedly.
Speaker 1:Right Then Portada at Temple of Apollo in in naxus, greece, which is interesting of all places in greece yeah, apparently this is the uh, the great door.
Speaker 2:There is this weird stone doorway, that's there yes, that is what they mentioned.
Speaker 1:Oh in uh, caracal in belize. That's the largest known maya ruin. So we're getting into like alien versus predator territory here. The movie, not any of the good stuff, all right, so what?
Speaker 2:we got here. We have Fantasy Island, Yep.
Speaker 1:Ricardo Maldivar.
Speaker 2:In tattoo Mayan sun, gods, harvey Villas We've got Sedona weirdness.
Speaker 1:High strange.
Speaker 2:Got Great Pyramid. Obviously UFOs built the pyramids. Sun gods, harvey village, we've got sedona, weirdness, high, strange, got great pyramid. Obviously ufos built the built the pyramids, nasc lines. I mean, how else you're gonna see those lines? It's from space, I get it. Yeah, the taishan mountain, it's just, you know, a very spiritual mountain. And then the, the doorway, perhaps a gate, perhaps even a star gate.
Speaker 1:A star gate of sorts. Yeah, oh man, an Iconian gateway from Star Trek. I mean, it's essentially the same thing. I just saw an episode with that last night. Oh of DS9? Yeah, yeah, I'm glad they brought that back, because it was like a really under-seen TNG episode where they just stopped talking about it and then DS9's like hey, you remember that thing.
Speaker 2:That's super important. Maybe we should talk about that again. Yeah, we have these magic portals. Should we bring those back up?
Speaker 1:Should we talk about that again? That might be something we should talk about. It's weird that they don't include obvious things like Mount Fuji or Not in the code. It's not code worthy.
Speaker 2:A in the code. We didn't have time to put Roswell in one of his zeros and ones.
Speaker 1:You don't understand. We only have 15k of memory here. Come on.
Speaker 2:I mean, have you seen this guy?
Speaker 1:Quote. This is from Penniston, penniston I know I keep thinking about pedals and whiskey when I lived in Oregon. This is a quote from Penniston. The binary codes were a direct result of contact with a physical craft, a craft of unknown origin, meaning it was an unidentified craft and where it came from is still unknown. No thanks, no shit.
Speaker 2:Space Sherlock with the obvious, all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's linger on that. The communication of binary codes was accomplished. When I physically touch, he means touched the craft's glyphs which were located on the outside skin of the craft it activated a technology which is unknown to me Well, and apparently to everyone else too. The technology then communicated a series of ones and zeros to me. Series the technology then communicated a series of ones and zeros to me. Sorry, I fucked that up. No, I was hoping it was just him. The communication transfer was accomplished within minutes.
Speaker 1:There was an area of about 15 feet which surrounded the outside of the craft. This area I will call the bubble. Well, good for you, for within the bubble, static electric Hmm, I think he means static electricity Pulsed upon my clothes, skin and hair. Also an appearance of slowing of time. The air seemed dead, but not transmitting any sound. The next day, while looking at my notebook the glyphs in particular I have had the codes running through my head since the incident the day before. I had a feeling to write them down. The way that he phrases this is very funny. I had a feeling to write them down, for I did.
Speaker 2:That's how I say everything. I had thought to get McDonald's, for I did.
Speaker 1:I attained the meal of happiness, life and death, the same my god, it's the everlasting sky.
Speaker 1:My crumb left and immediately and immediately after finishing them, the code okay. So I would like to say also that there are so many weird commas in this that are unnecessary, even though we overuse commas today in modern English. This is insane. There's a comma after every like three words. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, he says. For I did, and immediately after finishing them, comma, the codes were gone from my mind. I was finally at rest with them. The notebook was then put away and retired to a box For a new one for work I had available. Uh-huh, my thoughts at the time. Comma, although profound. Well, actually, you know what that's an appropriate use of a comma. It actually works. My thoughts at the time, comma, although profound, were actually much simpler. I wanted it to go away and I had no need to talk about it either, for this was not to be the case. Even better, for this was not to be the case, for I was method, methodologically and consistently interviewed and interrogated by my chain of command. You don't do, for I was this twice in a row.
Speaker 2:It's not how this works yep, this man had alien knowledge downloaded into his brain.
Speaker 1:Okay, he functions differently cool, let's go give me a coherent fucking sentence, that's all I asked for.
Speaker 1:I shall give you sentence coherence for I was methodically and consistently interviewed and interrogated by my chain of command and other agencies. Every time, I was promised that this was the last interview and it would be absorbed into the classified annals of data and I would not need to tell or talk about it no more. I was told to talk about it no more. All right, I'll reread that sentence Every time. I was promised that this was the last interview and it would not be absorbed into the classified annals of data and I would not need to tell or talk about it no more. This was not the case. What AI would write this better? What are you talking about? I went through at least 14 debriefings by two non-Air Force personnel. I do think that these are the people that they were referring to earlier. I think these non-Air Force personnel to which he is referring are the pseudo men in black. They're probably CIA, especially back then. I gave all information from memory and at no time was the notebook ever brought up. The debriefs were all. For the last time, I was promised Tell all and tell it correctly, and it would be the last of the questions on Radnoshan, For these were to continue, no matter what I had said. I'm about done with this dude. Last sentence, I promise I do believe the command element comma were more for obtaining knowledge, but the external interrogation were for much more, I am afraid. Okay, but either way, his claim is that he was interrogated by those two probably real people because at this point, even in 1980, we were still in the nuclear arms race.
Speaker 1:Essentially this is around the time that the us was coming up with the b2 bomber. You know the time that the US was coming up with the B-2 bomber. You know the one that when tests flown often confused for triangular UFOs this is a period where we were making clandestine aircraft. They wanted to know, especially in NATO run Air Force bases. They wanted to know if the USSR or any satellite quote unquote threats were coming up with something new. So I buy that that they were all interviewed by these two dudes. I don't think that's the weird part of any of this. So Penniston had this notebook right and this is like the linchpin of his entire thing. He showed this netbook netbook. He showed his Dell netbook publicly on the Sci-Fi Channel documentary UFO Invasion at Rendlesham in a broadcast from 2003.
Speaker 2:He showed it in 2003, but research didn't decipher it until 2010?.
Speaker 1:Well, here's where things kind of unravel. So the first page it shows the date 27 December 80, the time 1220, crash adjacent Eastgate. At the bottom of the next page is a different time, 1251. Those times should have been expressed as military time 0020 or 0051. Peddison then claims to have made these notes and sketches at the way.
Speaker 1:The craziest, most in-depth research of this event humanly possible comes from Ian Ridpath, who has an extensive website that documents everything, including interviews. He did, interviews other people did, all the officials. It's crazy how much research this is more in-depth than any government release thing ever. This guy actually interviewed most of them. He has his own research as far as like interviewing other witnesses, the cops. It seems like he spends his entire life researching this fucking incident. And it's crazy Because, yes, there is the Randleshamincidentcom and that is something you can take some stuff from, but Pendidston is actually in charge of that side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hmm, right, yeah, I hear you quote are the actual date and time of the event. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case and there are clips you can watch from the sci-fi episode where they show they physically show his notebook on camera and it doesn't line up. Later in the same program. He reads more from the notes which end, quote liftoff 245 no, no sound, no air disturbance, takeoff unknown speed, impossible. So other pages from the notebook were also shown in the History Channel documentary Britain's Roswell from 2005. And then later a documentary in 2009, which is, I think, the one you were referring to. They don't question the inconsistencies. So this guy I looked into actually communicated with Colonel Charles Halt and in an email in 2019, halt responded quote I handled the notebook several times, including while filming the 2003 program. No code or missing pages.
Speaker 2:As in, there was no code written down.
Speaker 1:None.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pages, as then there was. There was no code written down, none, yeah, yeah. And then came the sort of damning statements from john burroughs, the one who actually suffered physical ailments because of this. He said this first in an email in 2006. He was the one that was just a few yards from him. He said, quote pendison was not keeping a notebook as it went down. And then, in 2008, he said again Pennison did not have time to make any sketches in a notebook while this was going on and did not walk around it for 45 minutes like Pennison claimed.
Speaker 2:That's a big problem that you have with these coordinates whatever. There is no differentiation, there is no decimal point in any of these numbers. So any collection of these numbers can be like 20, 25 different places on the earth.
Speaker 1:And Luciano highlights the periods where he's like well, these are these coordinates, but then highlights in a different color these are the numbers that actually exist in this code thing that he sent us, and it's chunks here and there it's not. Oh, okay, well, this might line up with this. This might mean this, if you look at it this way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, plus thinking that aliens or we might even say, perhaps we'll get into this people from the future would use binary code in the same way.
Speaker 1:But such a basic human thing, maybe so far beyond binary or never even come to binary, like, why would you even start with binary? It's just a random thing that we came up with. Yeah, in fact, to the extent that in a lot of extensive research he does say that he forgot about this notebook until 2010. But he mentions it in an Omni magazine in July 1994.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But a lot of the stuff he claims that's in it he makes no claim of. In fact he says in it, quote I had my notebook and camera while I was out there so I began taking notes. This is what I wrote Triangular in shape. Top portion is producing mainly white light which encompasses most of the upper section of the craft. A small amount of white light peers out of the bottom. At the left center is a blush oh I'm sorry, bluish light, and on the other side red. The lights seem to be molded as part of the exterior of the structure, smooth, slowly fading into the rest of the outside of the structure, gradually molding into the fabric of the craft. That's similar, but not exactly what he said at the time. Now, if this was a traumatic event and something crazy happened to him, yeah, I mean, maybe later on you'd remember things a little differently, or you'd remember things more clearly or even less clearly, I'm not really sure little differently, or you remember things more clearly or even less clearly, I'm not really sure. But there are now, at this point, three different tv documentaries that physically show this notebook and none of this is in there. There is no cohesive narrative here.
Speaker 1:In fact, the only other person that seems to corroborate the fact that he had a notebook because other people say he didn't even have one was a security guard at Bentwaters, the other Air Force base. Richard Bortolino Picture it, sicily, 1929. He recalls sitting next to Penniston on the pickup bus after they both came off duty that morning. In an interview later in 2009, he recounted Penniston quote, pulls out the notebook and he diagrams what he saw there in front of him. It was kind of diamond shaped with tripod legs. From this it sounds kind of like he just kind of drew it there to explain it to the guy. Not that he documented it as he was seeing it it and I kind of believe this because this guy was like no, I saw him do this and this image does exist because it is included in some of the other memos that were sent to the Ministry of Defense, but I don't think he actually did it on site, based on eyewitness testimony from Burroughs and other people.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:He then made other statements that said that he drew the craft as boxy on legs. He at one point claimed that it happened on December 29th, which does not at all line up with anything he said before. None of this stuff comes from his notebook. The only time you actually see a physical version of the sketch was in 1997, which was on a Microsoft Network UFO forum, which, wow, okay. At that point, coast to Coast had more credibility. In 1997, which was on a Microsoft Network UFO forum, which, wow, okay. At that point, coast to Coast had more credibility. I'll be honest, colonel Ted Conrad, who was the base commander and the actual boss of Lieutenant Colonel Holt, interviewed Penniston a day or so after the incident he recalled, in 2010, which is when a lot of this stuff comes back up. Penniston simply reported that he and Burroughs moved through the trees toward an unknown light, which is when a lot of this stuff comes back up. Penniston simply reported that he and Burroughs moved through the trees toward an unknown light which disappeared behind a low rise in the direction of a farmhouse. There was no mention of an encounter with a ship or a notebook. Quote Penniston said he didn't get close enough for a detailed look, and this is actually consistent with Penniston's original witness statement, in which he said he never got closer than 50 meters, as he reported over the radio at the time to his supervisor, master Sergeant Chandler. So it's really hard to take that part seriously.
Speaker 1:And then in 2010, pendison added a new twist to this whole thing. In 2010, he claimed after the initial encounter with the landed craft, he wrote in his own notebook binary pages that he had received telepathically At the same time. He then changed his explanation for the date and time shown in the notebook. Now he says it was when he wrote down the binary, not when he encountered the craft. It's a gray area there because he did say that he did it the next day, but then. But if you look at the say that he did it the next day, but then. But if you look at the notebook that was shown in the documentary, the date and time is at the start of the description of when he encountered the craft and not at the start of the section with the binary codes. When he made this claim 30 years later, it was the wrong date and time, even in the notebook that he wrote down. And then later he also changed his story about the location of the landing of the craft. Instead of claiming to have encountered the craft on the western side of the forest, nearest to East Gate, now he says that the encounter did indeed take place near the eastern edge of the forest, but much further south than where the landing marks were observed by Colonel Halt.
Speaker 1:Now that throws so many weird things into it because it's like Halt was willing to back you up and other witnesses said you were right. And now it's different. Essentially, penniston, the only real witness in this entire story, is the most unreliable one. Other people, more skeptical and more willing to take a different approach, were willing to back you up, that an event happened that was similar to what you said and then his story kept changing. And it's different than roswell in that during roswell you had one guy who encountered a thing, told his story to his higher-ups and to the media, fucking, took pictures for newspapers, said this is it, this is all right here. The fucking Air Force base was like nope, this is real, this is a UFO. And then it was muddled by higher ups.
Speaker 1:Later, this one, his higher ups, totally believed him and then he discounted his own story. Dude, you had it in your hands. You had it right there. I don't know. Let's say he's right. Maybe he has a hard time remembering because it was so weird and traumatic and everything, but he didn't help himself here. It's very much like the Manhattan UFO thing. You keep changing your story later and all this crazy stuff happened that you actually experienced, like with those cops at the Manhattan UFO thing. Just tell the truth. You sought them out. Why don't you just tell the truth and no one will ever know.
Speaker 2:Well, I know Because Jim Pennison told all of us the truth about this whole thing and he told us way back in 1994, apparently he was taken and interviewed. He was also given sodium pentothal and put under hypnosis to really get the facts of what he knew, because people interviewing him knew what he knew. Years later he was trying to figure out what was going on so he called a hypnotist who would help him uncover these memories.
Speaker 2:And this is what he said during this procedure, jim. They're asking me if I see binary code. I see the binary code. They are time travelers. They are us Hypnotherapist. How far in the future? Penison, a long time, very long time. What do they need? Not sure, but it has to do with chromosomes or something like that. How do they get that? They take it From where? From other people's bodies. They, the time travelers, were interrupted in Randlesham Forest. They are having problems. The odds are against them. You touched the symbols. You disrupted the repair program. I activated a binary code.
Speaker 2:The two NSA agents men want to know why. They ask me if I ever had any other encounters with them. Lights and time travelers. I haven't. Are they using something like breeding stock? No More like band-aids? Do they ever take fetuses? Why would you ask that? If it is tasked, they do. There are different ships for tasking. The government agents know about this. That's why they want to contain the situation. They see you as requiring damage control. Yes, they see me and John Burroughs and they're worried about Colonel Holt. They know all about us.
Speaker 2:Does the government believe what you were saying about them coming from the future? Does the government believe what you were saying about them coming from the future. Oh yes, this time they, the time travelers, were having problems, but they got their machine off. They have to be in space to travel. They need speed to travel, to travel through time To go backwards. They can't go forward. They can't go into the future, they go to their pasts. It's impossible to go to the future. It takes too much energy. How far in the past can they go? These ships can go 40 or 50,000 years. They can't go back much further. They might not get back. Why do they come back so far? So it doesn't affect the timeline. The farther it is, the better. The least effect it has on the changing of the future. They can't control it. It's too cumbersome.
Speaker 2:What are the intelligent agents, these NSA agents, going to do with you? They tell me when I was the East Gate with John. They have five different stories to tell. It's important to scramble dates, which confuses and undermines consistency of eyewitness testimony, so no credibility with public and media. They're going to give me warning. They tell me that I will hurt the world. It will breach NASA security and can destroy the system, cause wars, chaos in the streets. That's why it's important to keep it quiet. It doesn't make any difference if I talk about the story. It's too unbelievable. There you go, straight from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean there it is. I mean he gave himself it out, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's another layer of wackiness, that it's inventive. I will give him that, unless of course, he did see the movie Official Denial, which came out in November 1993 on the SyFy channel. Oh no, and in it an alien craft is shot and denied the USAF and lands in a forest. It contains creatures that are here to get genetic material and help them reproduce it, because the race is dying out. And where are they from? They're not aliens, they're us From the future, our future. Who knows if EA saw this?
Speaker 1:but Good thing you didn't see Freejack or like it's a little interesting the similarities.
Speaker 2:The story then he comes up with in 1984, supposedly under hypnosis, and then uses the binary code which he does talk about in 1994. So there is that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so there's that. Yeah, that's in his corner for sure. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay, so there's that, yeah, that's in his corner for sure. Yeah, I don't know, for all the interesting, like, oh yeah, no, that seems believable. And you have multiple witnesses that are talking about similar events. You know over two different groups of people over two different nights, people that are trained to recognize aerial phenomena. Then you get all these weird inconsistencies. Then you get all these weird inconsistencies and then your main guy, who seemed to be the linchpin of your story because he had the most interesting detail, then, like, his story gets further and further, more outlandish and wilder and more inconsistent. It's tough.
Speaker 1:It is tough. It is similar to a lot of other ones we've covered. There's a lot of credibility here and then, at the same time, no credibility here, and it's like what are we supposed to do with that? And we're not even going to have time to get into a lot of the people who try and debug Halt's account about modified police lights and all sorts of other things or the possibility of an actual downed Russian aircraft that has been been proposed, which are things that are in this, in this narrative, as possibilities.
Speaker 1:But the fact that you had several witnesses, including agencies of both the uk and the us government, recognizing this as a possibility or at least a phenomenon of some sort, and then one guy either makes it one of the craziest UFO stories in history or then either branches off into I have ruined the possibility that this might be real in the public eye or set up. The fact that this is not true is a real shame, because there are people who backed you up. There are people who believe this is real, who bought this, based on their own individual encounters with this thing that you're describing. It's really frustrating because of penicillin, the one of the most information is the one that is the source of the most misinformation. Disinformation maybe, I don't. It's hard to tell and it really just kind of muddies the water for everyone else and it's a real shame because there were so many that really thought this was real and encountered something. Now it'll never be taken as seriously as it probably should be. It doesn't work. It's very, very frustrating it is, but it's fun.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's a great story and it's persisted over the decades, which is why we're talking about it now.
Speaker 1:I mean there is a UFO monument there now in the shape of the ship that Pendiston described. It's considered. What is it? The Renisham Forest UFO Trail.
Speaker 2:You can go visit it, hey if you have it there, I'm going to make a little money off of it you know, part of the reason we do this topic on the podcast is because we do find it fun and it's interesting, absolutely. These are just physical manifestations of that.
Speaker 1:Who knows who's right. The weird thing is right after this incident, the only two people who were not transferred immediately were Holt and Penniston. That's weird, isn't that weird? Everyone else who completely discounted this was transferred away. Burroughs was for medical reasons In fact, several of them were for medical reasons based on this incident but the ones they didn't transfer were the two that claimed this happened. I don't know what to make of that. That's so bizarre, but that's how it works, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's where we are. Well, that's it for our Rendlesham Forest, our holiday UFO series.
Speaker 2:Happy Jesus Day, because Jesus was a time traveler from the future who set binary code 2,000 years in the past to make the Bible.
Speaker 1:They thought he was crazy, so they tried to destroy him.
Speaker 2:He's gaining popularity, getting a lot of followers, so they had to kill him.
Speaker 1:It turns out John Carpenter and Donald Pleasence were right the whole time.
Speaker 2:Where's that shirt?
Speaker 1:That's the state of ufology today, I guess.
Speaker 2:And that folks is Rendlesham Forest and its incident, and this sure is.
Speaker 1:It's Dispatch Ajax. Oh, that's us yeah.
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Speaker 1:From the year 8100, obviously.
Speaker 2:Which can't be, because the math on that doesn't work out.
Speaker 1:No, I know.
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Speaker 2:This is your choice you got in the car, just sit back and enjoy. Alright.
Speaker 1:That sounds more like it's a date rape than anything else.
Speaker 2:Hey, if you didn't dress this way, you wouldn't list this pod, okay.
Speaker 1:You chose to get in the car. You knew what was going to happen, hey.
Speaker 2:I will let you know when the pot is over and we get to Granny's house.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't think I'd be calling Granny. I don't think that at all.
Speaker 2:Granny goodness, all right, that's what I was thinking too. That's where we're going, yeah well. Yeah, skip. Before we get to Darkseid, what should they do, Lord?
Speaker 1:save your Darkseid lord and savior, dark side, please make sure you've cleaned up after yourself to some sort of reason of degree, make sure you've took your waitstaff, your kjs, your djs and what have yous and make sure you've supported your local comic shops and retailers. And from dispatch ajax we would like to say godspeed, fair wizards, this is not a dream, not a dream.
Speaker 2:We are using your brain to network system. As a receiver, we are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a treatment. We are transmitting from ear 1999. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness. But this is not a dream. You are seeing what is eventually occurring A causal causality violation.