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The Astrology of 2024 with Chad the Maverick
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In our final episode of the year, we catch up with astrologer Chad the Maverick for a fresh look at the stars. We take a look back at 2023, examining how the year's major planetary transits have influenced our lives and society as a whole. We also dive into Chad’s outlook for major transits to watch in 2024 and his forecast for the themes and energetic shifts we can anticipate in the year ahead. Eclipses and presidential elections, oh my!
To follow Chad’s astrology forecasts or book a reading, visit his website chadthemaverick.com or follow him at @chadthemaverick on Instagram.
...And that’s a wrap for season 4 of The Outerknown! Happy holidays, and keep your eyes peeled for season 5 coming in 2024.
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Astrology and Reflections on Future Years
Chad (he/him)People are trying to compare themselves to things that they don't even like, but they just hear the concept like this is the fashion trend and it's like, well, now I have to go to this trend and in the North Node area is like you don't even like that trend. Why are you doing that?
Lane (she/her)Welcome to th e Outer k nown, a podcast that shines a light on the outer edges of inner knowing. Chad the Maverick is back.
Jackie (any pronouns)Hooray, I am so excited. This was definitely one of my favorite episodes to record last year and I just am so excited to dive into the astrology of 2024. I know right.
Lane (she/her)One of my favorite things about astrology is the year ahead looks, whether it's from someone's birthday or from the start of any calendar year. It's just really fun as an astrology geek to look ahead and try to kind of guess what the vibes are going to be based on the transits, but also to look back and learn from what has happened in the collective, especially over the last year, and personally, oh for sure and yeah. So I'm really excited to do that with Chad.
Jackie (any pronouns)Yeah, it was really cool to sort of think back on what he was talking about for 2023 and what came to pass and just reflecting on mostly just kind of our collective moment in the last 12 months or so. And we've got a lot of work to do, folks, we sure do, but it's not all bad news. There's definitely some things that are developed and things to kind of keep our eye on, both as individuals and as a collective society.
Lane (she/her)Absolutely. It's been a really rough time in the collective in a lot of ways, but at the same time, I love your point that there's still some good things in the world.
Jackie (any pronouns)So let's hear from Chad about the astrology of 2024.
Lane (she/her)Chad. Welcome back to the Outer known.
Chad (he/him)Hello, hello. Thank you for having me back. I'm so excited for today Same.
Jackie (any pronouns)We were just doing a little bit of reflecting on your last episode, the last time you joined us about this time last year, Right and we're really looking forward to kind of getting your perspective on the year and again looking at the year ahead and seeing what's going on astrologically for 2024.
Chad (he/him)For sure. It's definitely a different energetic year than this year. I think last time I said that 2023 feels like a loading page. It's like a launchpad, if you will, to have people start to solidify things. But it's definitely been rough. I definitely think a lot of people have been feeling the heaviness of those trends in the process, and so I hope that this obviously can give some more clarity as to us entering into 2024 and beyond.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I'm so excited to chat to you, not only about what's coming up, but also just looking back, reminiscing a little and all of our respective 2023s. So I mean, first of all, how has your 2023 been and what have you been up to since we last chatted?
Chad (he/him)2023 has been a blissful bits of chaos. It's been so good in a lot of areas Starting a business I've been doing astrology full time this year. It's definitely had its ups, its downs, but I think I've really started to solidify myself into the space. It's not just like the hey, I've been doing this for a few years. It's like oh wait, no, I'm really an astrologer. I'm the guy to go to for a lot of information and it's cool to see people get really good info from that without feeling lost. And I think that's probably my biggest accomplishment thus far this year just seeing how people are able to relate to the astrology, whether they know about astrology or not, just finding new ways to bring it to people, and it's been amazing.
Lane (she/her)Oh, not to mention your incredible social media. Your Instagram has been hilarious to watch.
Pluto in Aquarius
Chad (he/him)Thank you. Thank you. Definitely tapping into my Sagittarius energy and having people find new ideas through the humor and to see like, oh, everyone's going through this. I think one of my favorite comments that I get from people is sort of like are we all just living the same life? And it's like, energetically speaking, yes, you are correct, because we're all underneath this. That's actually part of why I started my newsletter and actually entitled it under the stars, we wander, because I think that's just really what's happening for a lot of people, despite, if you know, astrology, believe it or not, these trends still happen, these energies still go on and we're just all under the stars trying to figure it out. And I think taking that perspective has helped a lot of people in that process and it's so fun.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I like to think of it as the cosmic weather. Yes, it's a different day if it's sunny or rainy, a little bit at least. So it really put it in perspective in that way.
Chad (he/him)Oh, for, sure I agree.
Lane (she/her)Well, curious to take a little trip down memory lane with you of what we chatted about last time.
Chad (he/him)For sure.
Lane (she/her)So we talked about a lot of kind of like the bigger transits of 2023. And one of the ones that we focused on a lot in our last Convo was Pluto and Aquarius, and I know that Pluto's taken its first little toe dip in the waters this year. You know it translated into Aquarius and March back into Capricorn in June and then it's coming back to Aquarius next January. I know that that back and forth isn't super uncommon for astrology. It just feels kind of more major when it's a slow moving outer planet like this.
Chad (he/him)Absolutely.
Lane (she/her)So I just wanted to ask how do you feel that sort of back and forth is playing out, and what have you noticed with Pluto and Aquarius this year?
Chad (he/him)It's so funny because even in my 2024 notes that I was just like looking through for this year, I was like, wow, guess who's a major player again this year? It's Pluto and Aquarius. And I think what's so interesting about, like you said, that back and forth motion we're really seeing like this there's the reason why I think there's so much stress right now is because we see that there's a better future moving forward and the old world just refuses to let go. Oh my God.
Lane (she/her)Yeah.
Chad (he/him)And that's where we see things like boom, inflation. Oh, it's all these different like labor forces having these different strikes. Meanwhile, there's different opportunities and lanes that have never existed before because of the advent of technology, because of AI. I just saw a camera that's going to be coming out from Sony and literally you can take 120 pictures in one second with it. The technology part and what we're heading to in the future is absolutely insane, but it feels as though once more, that old world that old this is the way things have always been is trying to drag it back, and so that teeter totter. I think it's something that we're going to keep seeing throughout this 2024. And I'm just intrigued to see, like, what technology and what innovation actually can break through the quote unquote matrix for lack of a better term, because that's really what that back and forth reminds me of.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I mean not to mention some really major steps towards alien disclosure and UFO disclosure. We keep kind of seeing a little bit almost like a step forward and a step back with that too, in some ways.
Chad (he/him)Sorry.
Lane (she/her)And, like originally with Pluto and Aquarius we were talking about. One of the themes that you really predicted was like people stepping more into their creativity and also like their independence, finding more independent ways of making a living, whether that's through I think we were talking about Twitch and that kind of stuff but also like some rejection or pushback of that influencer or celebrity culture. I feel like I've seen all of these things playing out. What's your take on it?
Chad (he/him)Well, I think one of the things that is so interesting is that we have these circumstances and I'm going to use a popular streamer right now. His name is Kaisen. Shout out to him. He's one of those people that have a really good heart Still wild, still funny, very entertaining, but you could tell like deep down like he does have a good heart.
Chad (he/him)And what's funny is that he's not the most major of celebrities. He's not like the most like major of people who have particularly, like, done something like big scale. Like he hasn't been in any large movies, he hasn't been in anything that's like on billboards everywhere yet. But he had enough influence to where he ended up trying to throw this giveaway in New York and basically give people of New York like some new streaming equipment. He wanted to like help, give them some gear, get these people that are trying to do content, have creation in their lives, and push that forward. And he ended up shutting down an entire block in New York just by showing up. Kids were out there going crazy, wrecking stuff, and he's like no, guys, don't do this. But it's funny because he doubted his influence. Like he knows, he has his influence, but he doubted that so many people would go ahead and turn up and he had to get escorted away and everything else like that.
Chad (he/him)So it's like I think this Pluto in Aquarius is like we're really starting to tap into the individual, and it's like less about hey, they're showing us George Clooney and it's like, yeah, of course, like, but right, yeah, that's George Clooney. Yeah, like he's great, but he's at his time. And now I think there are people that are making careers off of more quote, unquote, obscured things, right, and I think this is even happening, because I think we were mentioning or talking about the strike in Hollywood, the one that they had with the writers and the actors, and now I'm thinking, even from this Pluto in Aquarius, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to take on independent filmmaker and things along the lines of that. And I think, once more I think I mentioned last time it's like putting the power back into the hands of the people versus just trying to go against the machine, and I think that's the teeter-totter between 2024. We have that back and forth is going to be happening, but I'm interested to see how it plays out. Yeah, same.
Lane (she/her)Absolutely. Yeah, I think that's so spot on with the bigger themes of Pluto. I have definitely noticed a little bit more reticence or distrust, I guess in the influencer point of view and influencer perspective, and I like that you're kind of pointing out. I think it's even interesting in social media as well. We're seeing people start to become even more disillusioned with the big Twitter, all the things that have happened with X. Yeah, instagram just being so heavy on the algorithm and people feeling less connected there, and then these interesting bifurcations of how things like Blue Sky they're so much more based on smaller groups. So I think that's really interesting too, and interesting trends to watch, plus AI. There's just so much that we're on almost like this interesting precipice of, and it feels very much like what you were pointing out. Not only is there kind of new stuff emerging, but sort of a push and pull and a resistance from all of us on different fronts.
Chad (he/him)Yeah, I think one of the most interesting parts of that because you were mentioning the social media aspect is that there was a time frame, like years ago, right Around, like from you know, 2008, till, probably like closer to now or last couple of years right when, when someone had like a blue check mark, it was like, oh my God, you must have made it, you have this blue check mark. That means thousands of people know you, you're doing this, and now they have it to the point where, if you pay for a check mark, someone could have like five subscribers have a check mark, which is dope. But at the same time, it's like even that scale of what's important and how people are perceived as important is changing, and I think that's such an interesting dichotomy that's coming through.
Lane (she/her)Such a good point.
Chad (he/him)Definitely.
Lane (she/her)Well, we also talked a lot about what's going on in Taurus this year. So we've had both Jupiter and Uranus in Taurus. Jupiter entered Taurus in May, but Uranus has been there for quite some time and entered in March 2019. Both are also currently retrograde as we're recording this. So I know one of the big themes we kind of talked about was all the narrative that was happening late in 2022 around. Oh, we're definitely going to be going through a financial crisis coming up, and I loved one of the things that you said, which was, well, financial downturn for who Right, and it feels very much reinforcing that theme of like putting things back in the hands of the people. I think you said and you alluded to it as well we saw inflation, rising interest rates, continuing layoffs early in the year, but also, at the same time, incredible activity in the labor movement, major strikes from the auto industry, Hollywood, health care, et cetera, et cetera. So I don't know what do you think about all that's playing out and what are you saying with this retrograde?
Chad (he/him)I think people are starting to understand their worth. Yes, and they hate that, right, because the concept is like wait a second, let's use the health care workers, for example. Right, I know a few. I read for some people that are also like health care workers and they're beyond their feet. 12 hours a day, now. Granted, they normally get paid pretty well. They're able to provide due to things that they like to do when they aren't on for those 12 hours at a time, right. But it even goes to show, for example, a couple years ago, being a health care worker, you were the MVP of the world, right? And on top of that, getting into these perspectives, people, I think, really see, like, for example, an Amazon worker gets us our packages, they probably deserve to get paid more, even in the industry of service.
Chad (he/him)Now, granted, depending on where you are the service workers they usually get paid through tipping. But even now, tipping was instilled way back, actually, in the days of slavery in America. That's when tipping was first, like, brought in. And that's the fact that they're trying to. Instead of paying the service workers their actual livable wages, they're trying to then spike up the tips when you go up to something and you sign out and it used to be like 15, 20%, cool, right, and obviously, clearly, if you have it, tip the people that you're working with, period, right.
Chad (he/him)However, now you start seeing these things, at least where I'm at I live in LA but you go ahead and you swipe something that's like 25%, 30%, 35%, that's like whoa, and I think it's just a different change and the workers know they know where it's like.
Chad (he/him)Okay, this is kind of ridiculous, but at the same time, people need to make their money. So I think people are just finding their own worth and because of that, we have one or two things how they're people really stepping to their bosses those kind of people's or they're looking for something different and they're looking for something that's going to actually benefit them. I think Jupiter and Taurus retrograde is trying to show people like, where do you feel comfortable in actually expanding? Because you're expanding in a place that's not suited for you, then what's that point? So I think that's why people are, hey, let's change your career path or huh, I kind of want to do something different. I don't know what that is. I think that's a huge thing going through with the collective right now, and it will be until Jupiter goes back direct for a while.
Jackie (any pronouns)I will say that is 100% where I'm at right now. Maybe there's something different I need to be doing, because what I'm doing right now maybe it's not it.
Chad (he/him)Right. I think that's real thought too, because once more, we're mentioning everything else. We're feeling that Pluto back and forth, and this is Jupiter and Taurus. You're in this, in Taurus, being like, hey, here's some random thing that might be kind of in your field, but here you go, are you going to take it? Are you going to say no, it's interesting.
Jackie (any pronouns)For sure. Yeah, speaking of tipping, I was just reading an article about tipping culture and whether it's still necessary and how it's been impacting people, and that's exactly one of the things they brought up, which is the advent of DoorDash and ride sharing and the automatic assumption of a certain level of tipping. It makes service workers feel awkward. Now it makes a big assumption on people's parts and really can we just start with making sure people have a living wage Period?
Chad (he/him)It could all be so simple.
Lane (she/her)It could, you would think so, right? It's interesting because I think from my perspectives, I left the industry, that I've been in the tech industry for many, many years and a lot of it was prompted for me by realizing it wasn't really worth the money anymore for the impact that it was having on my mental and physical health. I mean, taurus is my eighth house and so in some ways it's almost been like a reckoning between what I exchange with other people in terms of my time for money, for example, versus also my mortality. In a lot of ways, yeah, thinking about the damage that having a very stressful job and sitting and chained to a laptop all day for the last many, many years has kind of had a toll on my body right, and so I think for me, even in the micro level, it has really impacted how I think about money and resources and what my time is worth. So I love how you encapsulated that and realizing worth and what's important and what is of value.
Shifting Perspectives and Honoring the Body
Chad (he/him)Yeah, I think, to kind of put back to the point of Taurus, even when it came to this last eclipse that we had, one of the main things I was saying is that people are getting value. They're getting back into their bodies and their senses, in a way, and I think what's coming up when it's happening is that there's a lot of grief. I think there's a lot of like getting back into your body. You're starting to feel like, oh, this wasn't okay. Or man, I've been on my feet all day for so long, like I haven't had a moment to rest, and I think the resting portion is very difficult for people to get back into, just due to life, due to, like any inflation, the economy.
Chad (he/him)Even myself, I don't stop. I'm very much like I work, I work, I work, and then I'll have a day or two and I'm just like you know what. I'm not doing it. I'm just not doing this today, right, and just even in those moments, or even in like earlier this morning, actually, I was supposed to do a video for myself and then I was like you want to know what? This isn't working out? This isn't happening. This is starting to upset me.
Chad (he/him)I said, screw this, and I just went for a walk for like two hours. I don't know how to deal with this moment. I don't know how to necessarily deal with this feeling, and I know my body needs to do something, my body needs to move. And so I just was like let's just take a stroll. And I was like I'm meeting with these lovely people for this podcast later, you know, still getting some work done. If I have more energy I could do things later on. But I think it's almost in the sense of like honoring that body, that Taurus is like the five senses, and when one of your senses is off, you're usually not having a good time, right?
Lane (she/her)Oh, my God yeah.
Jackie (any pronouns)So accurate.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I read something about burnout recently that was basically like the dangerous thing about burnout is that you don't realize that you're borrowing from tomorrow, yep, and that right there completely encapsulated it for me and what the patterns have been for me and in my stress levels and how I've designed my life. So I think the phrase that has kept coming back to me this year is at what cost?
Chad (he/him)That's Jupiter retrograde and Taurus to a T. At what cost? Yep, wow, you couldn't see my face a moment ago. I was just staring off shaking my head like oh, that hurts. See the right, the right. Yeah, it's true, so true yeah.
Jackie (any pronouns)That resonates a lot with me too. I think that, like my sort of calling for at least the rest of the year into next year, is like really reconnecting with my body and understanding what it's trying to tell me and how to process things that have been stuck for a long time and how that has impacted me. So, yeah, that's real.
Chad (he/him)For sure, there's definitely a lot of shifting that's going on with everything.
Lane (she/her)Well, one thing we didn't quite get to in our last Convo, when we were looking ahead to 2023, was talking about the eclipses and the nodal shift that happened this year. So we've been wrapping up our last Taurus and Scorpio eclipses and shifting into eclipses in Libran Aries. So what's your take been on the shift this year?
Chad (he/him)I have been so thrilled by it and also absolutely disgusted, I don't know how else to put it. It's been so liberating in a lot of ways. And then you're also at least for me I've been seeing so many people fall at the hands of others' expectations that they don't even respect, and I think that has been such an interesting dichotomy, because it's like people are trying to compare themselves to things that they don't even like, but they just hear the concept like this is the fashion trend and it's like, well, now I have to go to this trend and in the North Noda area it's like you don't even like that trend, why are you doing that? And it's like people kind of having to see and I think that's also the other side of social media right when, for example, due to actually the eclipses changing, I got back into photography and starting to work with like a little bit more cinematography kind of things, video, just mostly for fun. But I always had a background in that Before I did astrology, I did music and photography before I became full time doing this. So for me, even getting back into that is almost starting to see where people are able to change and manipulate like their photos, which is completely fine. If that's something that you're doing, you're trying to make yourself the art piece. Go for it, live your life.
Chad (he/him)The other part to it is that there's people who are not doing that or have no knowledge of that, thinking that that's 100% the real thing, and so it kind of drives people into this thing where it's like well, I don't have this, why don't have that?
Chad (he/him)And I think the North Node in Aries is like what is it that you actually like? Be the geek about it, care about that, do what you know you actually want to do. And if you want to do what they're doing, the only way that you can do it is if you try it out or if you do it yourself. And that's why the North Node in Aries, for people who are entrepreneurial, for people who know what they're aiming for, has been, I think, really good. And for the people who are like I'm just waiting for the crowd to tell me what to do, it's been a shit show for a better term. You know what I mean, because they're like what's your opinion? Should I stick to the most? So I think that's been a huge change and over the course of this last six months so far, just about that has happened. I don't know if you've seen the same kind of thing, but that's something that I've at least been seeing.
Lane (she/her)I'm a Libra rising, so this last eclipse in October in Libra was a really hard one in ways that I didn't really expect. So that eclipse was also directly on my natal Saturn and also really close to my natal Pluto, and I'm going through the big midlife transits right now. So I have my Pluto square and Neptune square happening simultaneously and all of that together. I think that eclipse kind of triggering those things, plus those general transits, which are just big and slow right, but I think I just feel like I'm in a vice grip of cosmic energy.
Chad (he/him)Accurate yes.
Lane (she/her)Am I turning into a black hole, or am I being made into a diamond, I don't know, but like something is happening and it's really intense. So for me, I almost can barely think of all the other eclipses that have happened this year and are in our upcoming one. It's a lot.
Chad (he/him)Yeah.
Jackie (any pronouns)Yeah, I would say I certainly have felt not reasons that I can be specific about because I'm not that deeply connected to my chart but I have felt that intensity as well. I think most of the eclipses this year have felt in my body very intense and very heavy and I am, for unexplainable reasons. It's very different than anything I've ever experienced.
Chad (he/him)Yeah, it's definitely been rough, even for myself, like during the eclipses. It was one of those things where I had to almost realize, at least for myself, is that just my relationships to other people? And the fact that it's like I have to come on my show, I have to show up? And, considering that I show up all the time I'm always on social media, I always have to show my face.
Chad (he/him)One of the things I kept running into was that my phone, the way that I was using my phone for content, wasn't keeping up with my pace. And then I was like, well, now I have to go ahead and invest in myself and this little bit of almost an imposter syndrome, it's like man, it'll be fine with just this. And I promise y'all I want to do a month and a half just deep dive search of I need to get the right camera, I need to get the right thing. Is it in the budget? Is it going to be okay? Is it going to do this? And I promise you I got the thing, started actually using it, and then people just started flooding in being like I want a consultation and I was like what?
Chad (he/him)And it was one of those scenarios where trusting in the fact where it's like it's okay to look pretty, it's okay to be beautiful, it's okay to like things that are like that, it was very much that Libra portal access for me, whereas on the other side of things, growing up, I think it was very much this it's not okay to do that, don't do that, don't make things like this, you're not better than this.
Chad (he/him)And then all these other early day things that stick with us throughout, and I think that was like a permission slip, at least for me to be like you know what? I love art, I love pretty things, I love making things look dope. I need to do that in order for me to continuously love what I do. So I think that was kind of like a big shift that started to happen, and since then I have been just absolutely nerding out on like color theory and random stuff like that. But it's been really important to me even meeting some people that do cinema stuff and they're like fix your lighting, fix this do this on my art.
Chad (he/him)Yes, yes, yes, I'm a learner, I'm figured out, it's been interesting and I think that perspective of like how people want to be seen was one of those big changes during the eclipses.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I'm really feeling that, and also as a lever rising welcome to my world.
Chad (he/him)Yeah, I understand, definitely get that.
Lane (she/her)Well, I guess, also for listeners who maybe aren't as familiar, can you talk a little about nodes and eclipses and, I guess, give a little one on one.
Chad (he/him)I got you. So the quick one on one on the nodes and eclipses right. Basically, the North Node and South Node are the points of destiny and astrology. As a matter of fact, even if you refuse to know anything else in astrology, please know your North Node. I think it's one of the easiest ways. It's a shortcut to enlightenment the way that you want.
Eclipses and Transits in 2024
Chad (he/him)You know that energy signature and you follow it. Things happen good for you, but it sucks to do and that's what people always miss about. They're like oh, follow your North Node. I might know Following your North Node sucks. It does not feel natural to you because your South Node represents what does come natural to you. So if your North Node is in Scorpio, you're supposed to deep dive into things. You're supposed to be raw emotionally. You're supposed to really dig into the deep facets of life. But your South Node is in Taurus and you're like I just want everything to be light and pretty and like, go on like nice dates and have great food, but it's like no, you're supposed to dive into that spirituality. You're supposed to like, really see what's in the dark, and so that draws that type of dichotomy when it comes to things.
Chad (he/him)Now, when it comes to eclipses, imagine a new moon or a full moon. And for those who don't know, the new moon is when you look up in the sky and there's no moon. You're like where did the moon go? It's usually the darkest night of every zodiac season and the full moon is obviously the full moon. People, that crazy. We all know the deal If you've seen any movie ever in your life that has a full moon. Stuff's always happening.
Chad (he/him)But in eclipse is specifically when that North Node meets up with those new moons and full moons, and so the regular transformation that comes from those timeframes are now amplified by like 10.
Chad (he/him)At the very least they just have this amplification. So on a new moon eclipse, people's egos are no longer in a driver's seat. You have to kind of let go and let the universe. And on a lunar eclipse, your soul is going through like a car wash and you just kind of have to sit there in the car like you're not moving the wheel. You just kind of have to let those things go and whatever lessons that usually come from that month of eclipse is what you take with you over that six months moving forward. So the eclipses that were just happening in this October is going to be shaping everything that's going to be going on by the time we get into April of 2024. So I hope that that gives some clarity for y'all who may not know in that process and I have a bunch of different videos on that stuff too, so I'm sure you'll find something.
Lane (she/her)Thanks for breaking that down. Well, speaking of next year, oh gosh, I'm really curious what's on your radar in terms of the big transits coming up in 2024? Or like, what are you having your eyes on?
Jupiter and Gemini's Impact on Society
Chad (he/him)So I'm glad that you asked. Besides Pluto, which is already getting ready to do its dance, one of the things that I've really noticed in the biggest transit that stuck out to me outside of the eclipses, the retrogrades we're going to have, is Jupiter going into Gemini. That stuck out to me like a sore thumb, and the reason why I was looking at Jupiter and Gemini that way is because I think when things shift from tourists to Gemini, it's like, hey, we just built all this material. Hey, we just finally know, maybe, what we're trying to do on a financial scale. Hey, we're really finally sitting in and collected in what we were trying to make. And Jupiter and Gemini is like, yes, now you got to talk about it.
Chad (he/him)But here's why Jupiter and Gemini are so interesting to me is because I think there's going to be people who have great voices finally being heard at a larger scale, and it's going to be people, on the other hand, that also have great voices before the wrong reasons still having that same amount of impact, right. So it's like, yes, there's going to be someone, maybe in the vein of a strong leader, like obviously, everyone knows Martin Luther King. So it's like there's someone who's really out here speaking and being like, yes, here's a change and we're going to bring everything good, and everyone's like, yeah, applaud. Meanwhile, on the flip end, there's someone in the vein of like Andrew Tate doing the same exact thing and everyone's like, yeah, and I think Jupiter and Gemini is going to start showing the dichotomy and the duality that we have in our human nature, where it's like some things are great, some things are bad, some things are in between. What are you choosing is going to be a real question when it comes to that.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, that's such an interesting point of view Like when I think of Gemini, I think of a lot of Mercury's influence on Jupiter and sort of that trickster archetype and the two facedness of it. So when you say that, it's like, oh yeah, we should be keeping an even closer eye out for charlatans, so to speak.
Chad (he/him)Charlotans is an excellent word for that, but yeah, for sure.
Lane (she/her)Well, I know we were just chatting about eclipses. So what do you see in store for eclipses on the upcoming year?
Chad (he/him)Yeah. So in March we're going to have the lunar eclipse in Libra, so that's the stark, pretty much opposite of what just happened before, where it's like does everyone like me? I hope everyone likes me. Does everyone think I'm pretty? I hope everyone thinks I'm pretty. Does everyone like me?
Chad (he/him)And I think it's changing when it comes to March, where you're going to kind of know who you want to charm around, who you want to be around, what type of social circles you're going to be. I think it's March is going to define your social circle, like with that lunar eclipse in Libra, where it's like do you just want to chill in a local scene? Are you happy in a smaller community? Hey, do you just want to have, let's say, like you are a creator? Do you just want to like work within your followers, not really deal with anything else? Or, on the flip end, for some people, do you want to be in the upper echelon? Are you trying to stay around being the most fancy of places? Do the most fancy of things?
Chad (he/him)I think that March is going to be defining people's social circles and also their relationships that come from that. So if you don't have a partner in the social circle that you want. Is that going to work out for you? It's going to be that kind of deal, in my personal opinion, when it comes to that lunar eclipse and then on the April, the new moon solar eclipse, right, this is going to be like all right, you picked a circle that you want, but who are you within that circle and are you actually fit for the circle you think you're fitting for?
Chad (he/him)And I think that's going to be an awakening, either a rude awakening for some people, where it's like, oh my God, I don't want to always be on this boat having this caviar, or the flip end is going to be people being like I thought I was fine with just having five friends, but like I want the world to know my name. I think that's going to be like a really big dichotomy, and obviously I'm being silly about it too, but there is a lot of truths to it. As far as how I think those shifts are going to be happening, I hope that makes sense. That's the vibe I'm getting from those.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, you know something I think is really interesting around that eclipse in April, I was noticing that Jupiter and Uranus are going to be conjunct to right around the same time. I think Jupiter will be applying to Uranus right around then and then I think they conjunct, just like maybe a couple of weeks later, I'm not sure.
Chad (he/him)I haven't written down to. I think it was a week later though.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, so I don't know, what do you make of that?
Chad (he/him)I think that's like because that's also the last thing before Jupiter goes into Gemini the next month. So I think Jupiter, in that Uranus, especially at those ladder degrees, is going to really like put people in those positions. And I think that's the reason why I'm mentioning like, hey, what circle circle do you want? Like, let's say, you do want the upper echelon. Let's say, you don't have it, like that, boom, jupiter and Uranus conjuncts, congratulations, you just won the lottery, you just got your dream job, you just got whatever it is that you want. Now what? And it's like the changes that are going to occur are going to happen so quickly that it's like, oh wait, I didn't think this was possible, but now it is.
Chad (he/him)Or the vice versa, someone who's like Well, I don't believe in any of this stuff, I'm at the highest of my career, I'm going to invest in these stocks and the stocks plummet. You're like, oh my God, I just put millions of dollars into this thing and now I have nothing. And we've seen movies where people freak out when they don't have money anymore. We've seen thousands of comedies, films of every genre that happens in that regard, and I think that's really what's going on. And then, from there and from whatever changes there is, the Jupiter and Gemini is then that conversation in those social circles, is the conversation within that pipe? Right, I saw this TikTok earlier, this one guy I wish I could quote them, but this TikTok too, but respectfully so when it came to his conversation.
Chad (he/him)He was having a conversation with a friend of his who's a filmmaker and he was or his friend was saying Yo, I don't want to be famous, but I want to be really well known in my niche, like I want to have the credit in my niche. I want to be known in my niche, I want the love there, but I don't want to lose the ability to go inside of a random restaurant, sit down, get some food and have people on you Right. And then the other person on the other side was like actually, I'm okay with trading up all that for the fame, the glitz and the glamour. And it reminds me a lot of this Jupiter and Taurus and Jupiter and Gemini switch where, for example, the vice versa can happen. So now the other kid who wanted everyone to know his name might only be popular in his niche, and the person who was trying to play the small, like, I just want to be in my niche is now on the billboards all across the world.
Chad (he/him)So I think that's kind of this dichotomy of abundance that Jupiter has the potential to bring, which is why it's so important for you to like really sit through that March and April timeframe and try to let the universe do that spiritual car wash guides you in the right direction, because once you throw your ego in there and in the eclipse you get sent. It's just not fun. You know what I mean.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I love that spiritual car wash. The other thing I can't help but think about in terms of timing is oh, it's tax season, tax day, like happens right around that. And it makes me wonder if there'll be any like tax relief, economic stimulus, something of the sort. That's the hope.
Chad (he/him)Yeah, we will see.
Jackie (any pronouns)I hope so. Yeah, the thing that's kind of top of mind for me is these sort of global crises that we've been experiencing, and I'm curious what you think about the direction of our collective action next year and what the stars have to tell us about that.
Chad (he/him)I want to frame this as best as I can because this is what just popped through when you said that my hope when it comes to these trends is specifically that North-Nought in areas in that South-Nought in Libra is just the overall collective understanding that war is wrong. All in all, whatever way and however way it happens, one of my favorite books or things I used to look at when I was first being a nerd and reading everything was like the art of war, and in the art of war, the key to winning a war was never fighting. And I think that has a big, big impact when it comes to this North-Nought in areas, in South-Nought in Libra, and I'm not just talking, obviously, big scale wars that are happening throughout the world right now, but I'm also mentioning things that are closer to home, or just people that are negatively commenting on things for a reaction, or people that are being rude unnecessarily, trying to see what's going on. I hope people in this 2024, when it comes to that seeded dichotomy of when people are being like rude or aggressive or assertive too much, and finding the room to bring actual peace in, and I think that all has to do with people recognizing themselves, adding to more people recognize themselves in that North-Nought in the areas, the easier it's going to be to collaborate with other people to be like oh, maybe this is wrong.
Chad (he/him)Maybe we don't have to fight over who thinks this car is best or not, maybe we can both like the car so we like you know it's a silly example, but I think that's something that I'm at least hoping for when it comes to this, and I think that's where we're getting to. So I'm excited for Pluto to stick in Aquarius for a while just to really see what changes. But it is going to be going back a little closer to Jupiter and Gemini. It's going to be going back and then it's going to go direct and then it's going to go back into Aquarius by November. So this whole year is that dance again between Pluto and Aquarius. Like we mentioned earlier, pluto and Capricorn the last of the Vanguard and I'm interested to just see how it goes. Yeah.
Lane (she/her)Same, I think. Something I think about a lot with current world events is also Saturn and Pisces and how that shift has played out. I think for me, even on a again personal, micro level, but also what I see playing out and how I'm practicing personally, is Pisces is very much like yeah, you can dream better, but with Saturn, there it's also you have to do better and you have to do better on that daily scale. You have to take action every single day towards whether it's calling your representatives, talking about it with your friends, with your family, all of those little actions where we like to almost be overwhelmed by the ocean of change that needs to occur. Also, we have to practice that every single day.
Chad (he/him)I agree and there's nothing else I can say. I was actually before I was going to do this. I was going to actually make a video on Saturn and Pisces, so maybe this is just the universe's way of being like. Now's your time to talk about Saturn and Pisces when it does come to the overall transit of Saturn and Pisces, specifically what they go and direct now, for the next two years, from now until 2025, in May we have the opportunity and the chance to really develop ourselves health wise, emotionally. I think the biggest thing is the emotional part.
Chad (he/him)I took a course over the last year was the applied astrology course with Debra Silverman, and I ended up taking all three courses, got my certificate, did all my things. It was fun to be able to learn from one of the best in the business to ever do it. The main thing that kept getting hammered to me in my development was the element of water. They really work through elemental and it's one of the easiest ways for people to understand astrology because we all see them in our day to day life and every single lesson and every level that I went through, when we had to find what element we had to work on, everyone kept telling me water and I was like what do you mean water? What are you talking about? Every single person keeps telling me this. I'm like what is this mean? What's going on? It took me a long time to kind of like really process that. And one thing that I noticed, because I'm triple fire sign, I'm very fire energy. So I thought that the anger or the rage of like the divine masculine growing up African American in America, all these other aspects of knowing that like rage, so to speak, was my fire. I thought it was like my fire, that was this. And then as I kept going, I was like, oh my gosh, that's actually my water, that's actually my feelings. It's actually like the encompassing of, like the emotion that's going on.
Chad (he/him)In embracing and accepting that part and finding an outlet like working out, going for a walk or doing creative things, has been something that has brought me back to this certain equilibrium emotionally and I think that has been able to kind of guide my work, my interpersonal relationships. It's been able to guide just the way I go about things, not getting upset about what's particularly going on and just like having a deeper understanding. Obviously, this was my take on it and I worked really hard over the last year to get that going. But I think that's what Saturn and Pisces, going direct, has a lot to do with is people really having to take accountability for their emotions and knowing how to maybe leave the space instead of having that argument where you guys go off for 30 minutes you know I'm gonna go sit in the other room, let me have some time to cool off, we can have this conversation or the space where it's like hey, my emotions haven't been seen. I need to have this conversation with you so you can see where I'm actually feeling.
Chad (he/him)Right, I think these are very, very integral parts to the next upcoming two years and for people that can't honor your emotions, for people who don't care about how you feel, those are the people that the boundary of Saturn is trying to block out. However, if you're still like, oh, my God, yes, like I'll do anything for you, yes, I'll just whatever you're going to lose sight of that soul part, that spiritual part, that real emotive part that makes us human. I think that's it. It's like Saturn and Pisces wants to show you like it's okay to be human, it's okay to be a person. We all have feelings. We've got sent here to feel the human experience, to have fun on this big old blue planet of water, right Like that's kind of so yeah.
Exploring Saturn and Media's Current State
Lane (she/her)Yeah, exactly to that point. With all the horrible things happening in Gaza right now, I've noticed the theme you're saying, as Saturn has gone direct. There's been all this conversation around those of us who are bearing witness right now to all that's happening and seeing all these overwhelmingly horrible images coming out of Gaza. There's been this conversation of like, well, oh, I need to take a mental health break or I need to disconnect, I need to disassociate, essentially, and all of us working on that balance of caring for ourselves and our families but also holding that capacity to bear witness to see the horrific things that are occurring, because Palestinians are asking us to. It's a horrible situation, but I think that work of Saturn and Pisces is to grow that capacity in ourselves.
Chad (he/him)Yeah, I think one thing to mention too when it comes to Pisces energy is that Pisces rules the media, and so Saturn and Pisces. We're watching the gruesomeness of things that are happening and we're seeing it, and I think the people really neglect that. Like we're seeing it for the first time. Growing up, when I was like younger, one of the first instances that I remember is watching the Twin Towers fall, and that at the time was one of the craziest things that they've ever shown. They're like, oh my God, like you know, we can't see this and I remember they pulled it. I remember they pulled in the TV and we all sat there and watched it happen and I'm like super young. So that's like one of those core things. But to think that we're at the age and era where, because everyone has the media, because everyone has that access, we're seeing things that are actually gruesome, and that's part of that it's turning a thing too, is like you have to bear witness to how bad things are and you have to take the responsibility on how you can start to make those changes. I'm not saying people can go ahead, pop up, hop on a plane, help out whichever way that they're feeling, but it's more so after seeing this.
Chad (he/him)What do you feel is necessary change? One of my biggest things my entire life was just intrinsically like the woman and children even be right, but after watching the Titanic. I watched the Titanic for the first time like sometime this year. I avoided it for years. I remember getting mad because all those dudes that are trying to get on them, like their kids and women, like let them get on the boat. I remember being mad and like that's something that's always been intrinsic. But I think that's something that's being seen on a larger scale and people are going to have to kind of figure out and see where their stance is on that, how they can make the world better over time. It's not going to happen in a minute Saturday is a plan in the time but how can we do? Our part is the most important.
Jackie (any pronouns)For sure and I think that's interesting that some of the other conversations that I'm seeing also kind of tie back to the eclipses that you were talking about next year and in terms of figuring out who your people are. What circles are you going to be in? Who's that supportive to safe space for you and who isn't? And maybe the people that you've been surrounding yourself with they aren't it anymore.
Chad (he/him)I think safe space is an excellent term for that.
Chad (he/him)I think, when it comes to Saturn and Pisces, who and what are the safe spaces where you feel like you can just unmask, just be emotionally vulnerable with that a sense of, hey, this is me at my core, this is me at my most raw? Do you still love what you see? Are you still willing to work with what you see? I think that's one of the things that has people, especially when they get into relationships, like why there is such a like oh, I don't know about this relationship thing, I don't know about these types of circumstances, like, am I willing to commit to this because they have to see me like this? And what if they do see me like this? And what if they see me with my flaws? And what if they do all of this? And I think that's always a huge factor right, everyone's like oh, my God, I want to date and it's like all right, so now they have to watch you cry and they're like no, they can't see that part. It's like, actually, that's probably necessary and you're gonna have to see them cry too.
Chad (he/him)And these are the type of things that I think Saturn and Pisces is like be willing to have the responsibility of the emotional world that's around you. And the only way you can do that is if you work on yourself that consistency, that every day a little something. It doesn't have to be something crazy, it's just like be nice to somebody. I have a habit now where I, if I'm walking down the street and I see someone wear something cool, I'm like, hey, nice glasses, it doesn't matter if they hear me, if they don't hear me, it's just putting the love out into the world. So I think that's pretty much the big, large part of that Saturn and Pisces, and I hope people also kind of like take suit to that and just trying to bring more love to the world.
Jackie (any pronouns)Amen.
Lane (she/her)Very that. One thing I also wanted to just get your take on for 2024. We're all kind of, I think, in the States, reckoning with the fact that this is going to be an election year.
Chad (he/him)Yes.
Lane (she/her)And some listeners might not know that the last couple of years have involved the Pluto return of the United States. If you do the birth chart for the US, it has Pluto at 27 degrees Capricorn. So this back and forth of Pluto a little into Aquarius and back into Capricorn, then into Aquarius and back into Capricorn, has been triggering that return for the US. So what's your read on that, and especially with Pluto dipping back into Capricorn just before election day?
Future Politics and Relationships in 2024
Chad (he/him)For sure. In my personal opinion, I don't have a lot of hope when it comes to things like that, not in a negative capacity, but I've just bared witness to so much false promising when it comes to things that I'm kinda like I've been ehhhhh. I know some people. They like to stay up and keep up, and I used to, and then I was like, in order for me to keep my emotional body right, I can't fight everything. I can't fight every single fight at the same time.
Chad (he/him)However, my take, at least to give people some perspective, pluto first went into Capricorn in 2008. And now I want you to reference this and hear me out when I say this so people can get that Since 2008, let's say, you were born in 2008, your first president in the US was a black president, which was unheard of prior. So that Pluto transformation in Capricorn said actually, we're going to make this person the leader of the free world and, as we saw, there were people that loved it and there were people that hated it. And so then, after that is Trump who, despite how people think, there are people that love him, there are people that hate him, and it's like he made an impact on having the world have to have an opinion, and it also, in my personal opinion, changed the way of people's faith in the normal system that they knew, that they always knew everything else right. And now we have Biden and even the people that are super supportive and they're like let's go. Even they're like we just don't know.
Chad (he/him)And I think that's such an interesting thing because in Pluto and Capricorn the president used to be one of the most important figures ever and I think the respect in a sense, even of that role has now transmuted. So I think when it comes to the next election thing, whoever is coming through really has to have those ideas that might even go against the old regime, the goal against the old say. And I think if we're continuously going for people that, hey, we've seen them do this work before, because as much as people like, oh yeah, biden is president, I'm like, did y'all forget that he was one of the core people of the war on drugs that helped destroy the US, or did we all forgive him for that? So for me at least, I'm like whoever's coming through on Pluto and Aquarius really, in my personal opinion, has to have the whole collective in mind, whether that be your gender, your race, et cetera, like they have to really know, and I think that's the only way that we're going to start to see real significant change in that specific political sphere.
Jackie (any pronouns)You said at 100% what I have been thinking for the last couple of years.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, I think, underlying it all, pluto being the god of the underworld. There's a lot of reckoning that we're having to do, and I think one simple theme of that is one usually white dude ain't going to save us.
Chad (he/him)Historically that is correct.
Lane (she/her)Yeah, it's just like we really need to take a collective look at. Just because one guy won for the next four years, we can have a lot of hope for some things that'll happen. But also, to your exact point, look at all of the horrible shit that's happened while Biden has been in. What I'm trying to say is the presidency ain't shit anymore, to your point.
Chad (he/him)It's true, and I think even to that note. That's why Pluto, when it finally goes into a query, is going to be so important, because I think we're going to have that back and forth. It's going to be people being like, yes, the one leader is going to change everything. Yeah, they're going to do it. They're going to do it, and it's going to go in the queries and it's like what if we tried? And then they're going to try it and they're going to be like, actually, no, it's only going to be one person and like the flock is going to just go back and forth of like maybe we should make a difference. No, we should keep things the same. Wait, we do need to make a difference, and so I'm hoping by the end of 2024, the larger collective right, because we're talking about this, I'm talking about this.
Chad (he/him)I'm clearly an astrologer. This is the outside of regular societal norm. Y'all are also spiritual and or take the time to like no work and nurture yourself. So not everyone does that. So for the regular run of the mill person who's just existing, living their life, which is perfectly fine too I think they're going to start to see where it's like.
Chad (he/him)Wait a second, why are we doing this and that's my hope at least so people can get back into more community based things or community oriented things? And I think there's going to be like I think astrologers are going to be in high demand. So how about you, boy? I don't know when that pulls up, but I really do think that astrologers and a lot of spiritual people that used to be shun prior to the only capital corn, all that they're going to start to be like wait a second, these people are having accuracy, these people are having points, and I'm really intrigued on how that is going to start to like formulate. I think they're going to try to make spirituality actually mainstream, which is a good thing, and also my fear, because I think they're going to try to like almost a reality TV show spirituality, and that's where I'm like oh no, but that's kind of the change at hand, or trying to find anything that they haven't done yet, because everything's derivative. So now they're like oh, how can we make this as weird as possible? So for sure.
Lane (she/her)When we talked about 2022, you're kind of framing it as sort of like a loading ground. And then 2023 is like. I know one of the big themes was like it was kind of like the first real year for us back out in the world collectively. So if you could condense 2024 into a word or a vibe or a theme, what would it be?
Chad (he/him)Interesting, I think okay, no, in a word, huh Can be a phrase. I think 2024 has everything to do with relationships and how we relate. And if we don't relate, how do we treat the people we don't relate to? I think relations and relationship is going to be the biggest theme of 2024, from friendship to partners, to multiple partners. If you got to like the concept, though, it's just like really seeing like how do you work together or not work together, and can you respect the fact that y'all don't get along and just call it a day and go your separate ways, or do you have to have static or do you have to like do that? I think relationship is the biggest term of 2024, especially with the North node and South node in that process of areas in Hebrew 100%.
Lane (she/her)I love that.
Jackie (any pronouns)That's powerful. Well, what are you looking forward to personally next year? What's on the horizon for you?
Chad (he/him)For me next year being the best astrologer of all time and going from 2024 and beyond, but also, at the same time, I think it's just like now that I have a different footing and understanding of my role in astrology and my role in creativity. I definitely want to help obviously, more people through readings and etc. But I also have had a lot of learning and content creation in the background and creativity and how to get yourself out there. So I do want to start to like bridge in my knowledge from all the mediums that I do in order for me to help other people. And it's not just about spirituality, it's just about people who want to make things or make something of themselves. How can we make sure that they get the best of period? Some people know astrology like the back of their hand Cool, I can talk to them like that. Some people don't know that and they're trying to learn a system on how to video edit Cool, let me. Let me help you with that.
Chad (he/him)The concept that I think of with that is that I'm like if I can teach people something that most people years ago, at least in my world, didn't think existed, then I'm sure things that people know are right in front of them that should have a decent hand. So I just want to teach, entertain, create, show love and I want to start finding my tribe of people who really want kind of that same vibe, and I think that's what I'm aiming for with the 2024. To even get back to the relationship part, where it's like I would love to work with more people that are creative, it's like make those things happen. And yeah, I mean just looking forward to the year overall, I think there's a lot of transformation at hand and opportunity that we don't see yet either.
Jackie (any pronouns)Love that. Thank you, of course.
Lane (she/her)Yeah Well, thank you so much for your time today. It's been so fun to look back and look forward with you, so to remind our listeners where can they find you and learn more about your work.
Chad (he/him)Where you can find me in the stars. You know no, but honestly so, you can find me at Chad the Maverick, all across the board. Instagram is what I post on the most. I'm getting into my YouTube game. I will be on YouTube for sure. That is something that has been on my heart for a very long time, just to give people more tutorial, guidance and make it look good. That's pretty much the process, and outside of that, you can subscribe to my newsletter if you're new to me. It's called Under the Stars we Wander. It is a sub-stack publication but honestly, the easiest way is just ChadtheMaverickcom, the easiest way to find everything else that you need. I'm just going to continuously keep posting, creating, pushing the envelope and having that be as lovely as it could be. That's the goal, and try to just keep everybody going, because sometimes these transits are hard. So if I can just drop a meme that's funny and relatable and that can help someone's day even a little bit, then we're doing a good job. That is the one in my book.
Jackie (any pronouns)Well, trust and believe that your memes have certainly made my day, especially this last couple of months. Of course, I've been on the struggle bus and it has been such a joy to open my Instagram and see your memes and videos. They literally do make my day.
Chad (he/him)Appreciate it.
Lane (she/her)Same, you make me a Google on the regular, so thanks.
Chad (he/him)You know goofy silly. Here's some funny stuff, here's some real stuff. Here's some live stream where I'm just spitballing whatever's on my mind and then like, obviously I do birth chart readings and such as well. So if you haven't ever gotten a birth chart reading, or if you have gotten a birth chart reading, I've had a few people say I do a very good job. So if that's in your ballpark or you've been looking for that, feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions, on Instagram, YouTube, wherever I'm everywhere. So it's just Chad the Maverick all across the board.
Jackie (any pronouns)Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us again. Yeah, of course.
Lane (she/her)Yes, and hope you have a joyous and happy new year and, to all our listeners out there, happy holiday season coming up and we'll see you again in 2024.
Jackie (any pronouns)That's it for our show today, listeners, and, as always, thank you for tuning in If you enjoyed what you heard today. You can find and follow the Outer Known on any platform where you get your podcasts. Keep the conversation going by joining us on social media. We are at Outer Known Pod on Instagram and Twitter. Our home for all things Outer Known is our website, outerknownpodcom. Today's episode was edited by Jackie Peterson and produced by Lane Collins and Jackie Peterson. Our theme music is by the ever-talented Smoke Benito and our cover artwork is by Eric Centeno. Until next time, stay magical.