The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Rise of Electro (2021 Podcast Reuploaded)

Join Greg and Matt as they take a shocking swing around New York City with The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Rise of Electro.

This is one of the few podcasts where we don't act out certain scenes with our unique voices, but we have fun running through the film, laughing along the way.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Nobody does it in it. Yeah, gone and finit Movies in game, something's in the lame, nobody does it in it.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Worst of the time. This is the worst thing that I've ever seen. Worst of the style. Feels so dirty that I'll never be clean. Worst of the worst.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to Nobody Does It Bennett. Worst of the worst. I am your host, the Greek Bennett Experience, and tonight I am joined by the spectacular Matt Man. Hello, Matt. Welcome back. Hello. How are you? Almost sounds robotic there, but of course this movie is far from that. It's uh we won't give too much away yet, shall we? Tonight we are covering the amazing Spider-Man 2 Rise of Electro from 2014. I completely forget that this actually has a subtitle of Rise of Electro. Literally just tiny printed at the bottom.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

What does that say?

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Oh look on the DVD on the spine and everything. Only just make it out. Only from close up, you can't actually see it from far away. They edit it at the end, they're like, oh crap, Jamie Foxx is like, I paid you this much money to put me in this movie. Where my name? It's got Rising of G.I. Joe, Rise of Cobra. Oh yeah. Hydra. Remember that movie? That was fantastic. That was basically Hydra. Matt, have you watched the first Amazing Spider-Man? And what are your thoughts about Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker or Spider-Man?

SPEAKER_03 1:45

In the first one, like Peter Parker's never been stupid. He's never been dumb, he's always kind of run on instinct. And even before he became Spider-Man in the first movie, he just ran on impulse. Everything was impulsive. He never got the internship. He just decided, oh. Went to Oscorp, thought he'd just talk to Connor, thought it was that easy it wasn't. Bitten on the neck by a spider. Like none of that should have happened that way. It should have been more methodical, planned out, like he should have been doing something Peter Parker would have been doing, not just this, oh, I'm just gonna walk straight into Oscorp and see what I can do.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Although he does actually show that his sparts, because he figures out the question when um Dr. Connors is talking to them, he's the only one that actually knows the answer.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

That's what I mean. That's what annoys me. It's like he should have been there. He shouldn't have flagged it and just walked in like he should have already been part of that internship.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah, he kind of seems like someone who doesn't work hard to be smart. Yeah. The most annoying people, like I have to work to get a B grade. Yeah, here comes Mr. I'll just show up late and get an A plus every time. Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

I hate you, I hate you. Not just the men, but the woman and the children too.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

It always comes back to Anakin. Anakin.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

He's also in the new Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

He is, and he's gonna be in Kenobi, yeah, and Disney Plus, and he's also gonna be in uh uh a couple other ones too, actually.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Come on, Christianson, get in there.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Right, so in worst of the worst, what we do is we take the worst movie from a franchise and we put them against other worst movies of franchises and put them on a list. So what we do is we're gonna go through the film and then at the end we're gonna rate it to see how bad it really is. Because sometimes movies aren't as bad as you think they are until you actually go and rate them against other ones that are really bad. At the moment, the worst movie we've gone through is Mortal Kombat Annihilation. That's gonna take a bit to beat because that is a terrible film. I myself enjoyed the Amazing Spider-Man from 2012. I thought it was a decent reboot of the franchise, although it wasn't without its issues. I felt the origin story from Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films was still too fresh in people's minds. After all, the first Spider-Man film with Toby Maguire was only released ten years prior to the Amazing Spider-Man. So it's only a decade before that, and that was the first Toby Maguire one, wasn't the last one.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

That one was great. I loved that movie.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

I do believe though that Sony had a contract obligation to have to put in whenever they reboot Spider-Man, they actually had to put the origin story in as part of the contract with Marvel. If you reboot, you have to do that. Only reason they got away with it with Tom Holland and Spider-Man Homecoming was because that Marvel were involved, and so they said you don't have to do the origin stun. But yeah, it was part of the contract. Oh far out. Yeah. I also felt that Garfield was pretty good as Spider-Man, but as Peter Parker didn't really work. He was too cool and not the social outcast that Peter was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Right, so what we'll do now, uh Matt, before we go into the film itself, is let's compare some box office and Rod and Tomato scores for the Amazing Spider-Man films and also the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy from 2002 to 2007. So the Amazing Spider-Man had a box office of 758 million US dollars. That's pretty good. It's not bad. Estimated budget of 230 million dollars US, so you know, they did pretty well. They made money. The critical response from Rodden Tomano's was 72%. That's not actually too bad. And the audience score was 77%. So it's about on par there. Amazing Spider-Man was pretty good. Like it started off at reboot reasonably well, especially how it had a lot of things from the Raimi films but kind of brought back and again did pretty well for itself. And then you get to Amazing Spider-Man 2, Rise of Electro. So it had a box office of 709 million, so it was only about 50 million less than Amazing Spider-Man. Actually had a budget less than Amazing Spider-Man. It had $200 million estimated rather than $230 from Amazing Spider-Man. Huh. Its critical response though was 52% from uh yeah from Run Tomatoes, and the audience score was 64. That's not too bad from the audience. It's getting worse though. The 52% critics is what killed it. Yeah. And the audience score I think it's gotten it's kind of growing again since it originally came out. I think it was still pretty low as well. So 64 and 52. It's the reason, I think, one of the reasons why we don't see amazing Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man from 2002, though, had a box office of $825 million. So this is not adjusted for inflation. So this is actually the total that came out when it first came out. So shows you that the Remy ones were huge when they came out. This is 2002. Yeah. Compared to 2012, which they only made 758 million.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Yeah, and the way that the economy's going, it's that would literally in today's day and age be worth more.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

The estimated budget for the original Spider-Man was only 139 million. Whoa. So you're looking at about 100 million less than Amazing Spider-Man. Yeah. To beat Amazing Spider-Man without inflation, to beat it just solely on numbers, and it had a budget of 100 million less, so the profit of it was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Yeah, that would have been ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

It had a critical response for Rodden Tomatoes of 90%, but an audience score of 67%. Weird. So as you'll see the trend in here, the critics loved the Raimi ones, apart from the last one not so much. But the first two, the critics loved it, and the audience didn't love it as much, which I'm shocked about because the Raimi ones, especially these days, with all the memes and stuff with you know emo Peter Parker, you think that the audience would love it.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

It's like Kylo Reen, it's like the the meme of Star Wars. He's the meme of yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Spider-Man 2 from 2004. Box office was 789 million, so it wasn't as big as the original Spider-Man. The original one was the big, big, big tent pole Spider-Man film that kind of launched everything. Sorry, X-Men. I inc I I I think Spider-Man was bigger. The estimated budget was 200 million for Spider-Man 2, so they added about 70 million extra to it. So they still did it right. Reasonably well. The Rotten Tomatoes scores, the critics gave it 93%, and the audience gave it 82%. So Spider-Man 2 from 2004, so up to the Holland ones at least, Spider-Man 2 is the best movie. I'll have to see. I'll haven't checked out the Holland 1s and see what they've got.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

I wonder what that'd be just because it's part of the that cinematic trilogy of the Endgame. Yeah. A lot of it is anyway, because it splits through because that's also part of Endgame as far from home.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Top Holland 2 is pretty damn good as Spider-Man, so I'll be have to see that sometime. I won't do it now because we've got so many other rankings. Spider Man3 in 2007 had a box office of 894 million. This is the biggest of the three. 894 million, not adjusted for inflation. So it did more than Spider-Man 2002. And it did more than Spider-Man 2004. It had a budget though of $258 million. So they put a lot of money into Spider-Man 3.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Oh I want to know. I know this probably sounds weird, but I want to know how much they spent on the animation for the amazing Spider-Man 2. Because oh my god. Compared to some of the other ones that are literally just all live action, like actual fight scenes, but it's like how much would you pay a stunt double to do all that acting and all that type of stuff as compared to having someone to sit at a computer and work it out?

SPEAKER_01 9:07

What would be interesting too because I think animation would cost less today than it would have cost 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Yeah, of course, true.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

So that maybe that comes into it as well as just the quality of the animation, also how much it should cost. Yeah. But uh the Rod and Tomana scores of Spider-Man 3, 63% from critics, and 51 from audience. Back back down again. So 51% of Spider-Man 3 is the lowest audience score out of all the amazing Spider-Mans and the Raimys. But there you go, that kind of gives you some shows you what money Spider-Man makes in. Like every Spider-Man film in this list has made a profit. Yeah. There's never been a bomb. They say Spider-Man 3 bombed, but it actually was the most successful. Yeah, it kind of. It just critically wasn't the darling that people expected. So there's don't get me wrong, there's things wrong with Spider-Man 3, but to call it a failure, I don't think it is. Nah. You can't call something that made profits a failure. No, especially that much. If you like what you hear and would like to send us your thoughts, why not contact us? You can by visiting our Nobody Does It Bennett Facebook page, or by heading us up on the Twitter at nobodydiBennett. That was nobody DIBennet on Twitter. Or by emailing us at nobody does it Bennett at Outlook.com. That's nobody does it Bennett at Outlook.com. It's a Bennett with two N's and two T's. Nobody Does It Bennett is available on Spotify, Google Podcasts, and other podcast networks. I also host another show for JB HiFi called JB's Real Cut. If you want a roundup of some of the recent releases at JB HiFi, why not listen to JB's Real Cut? Right now that the advertising's other way, man, let's get into our coverage of the amazing Spider Man 2 Rise of Electro from 2014.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Nobody does it, but it works!

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Movie starts with a flashback of Peter's dad, Richard Parker, also the name of the tiger in Life of Pi, in case you're wondering, destroying any evidence of his experiments. He kills all the spider specimens, he grabs his briefcase satchel, the same one Peter finds in the first movie, and leaves his lab at Oscorp. Richard then records a video message. He claims that people may call him a monster for what he has done. You can hear young Peter calling out to Richard. This is in fact another call out from the first Amazing Spider Man film, as this is when Peter discovers that his dad's office has been broken into. Peter is dropped off by Richard and Mary at Uncle Ben's and Aunt May's place. Again, like in the first film. It then cuts to Richard and Mary in a private plane, discussing what they need to do next, as well as Mary knowing that Peter will never understand why they left. Richard and Mary are going on the run from someone. Cut to the copilot entering the room as Mary uses the restroom. Richard prepares an uplink connection on his computer. He also realizes that the copilot seems to be washing blood off his hands. Richard asks to see the pilot. As Richard gets out of his seat, the copilot pulls out a gun. The copilot locks the restroom door to keep Mary in there. While he is locking the restroom door, Richard starts the uplink on his computer.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Turn it off.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

The copilot grabs a parachute pack while holding a gun on Richard and puts it on. Mary breaks out of the restroom which causes a distraction. Richard and the copilot fight. The gun goes off, which hits Mary. Richard straps Mary into a seat. Richard and the copilot fight some more, which leads to Richard shooting out a window in the plane. The door flies off and hits one of the plane's engines. Co-pilot is sucked out of the door. Richard then grabs his Sony Vio laptop. Remember those?

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Sony Vio. The V and the A were looped as one letter. I think it's been about eight years since they were out now. You haven't seen a Sony Vio in years. Sony went out of the laptop business, but it's weird because they got their fingers in most pies. It was like when they did Sony Ericsson thinking they were going to jump on the they yeah, they jumped in with Ericsson and Sony jumped on and they did Sony Ericsson together to try and do that new smartphone and it flopped.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

I actually liked the Ericsson though back in the day. They were good. I also liked Ericsson Stadium, the name for Mount Smart Stadium in Auckland. Used to be called Ericsson Stadium.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Oh, was it? Yeah. Oh, that sounds so much better.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

It was so much better. Mount Smart. So what remember Vios, Matt? We remember. We always remember the Vios. I member. It was so long ago. Then watches as his upload completes. The plane continues to plummet, but you don't actually see the plane crash. So this pretty much the opening of the movie. It's kind of an interesting way to start because the first movie also has very much about the intro to Peter's parents.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Yeah, with no context. And then the second one fills it in. It's like, oh okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

So they caught a plane and they crashed, because they talk about plane crash in the first Amazing Spider-Man, but you don't see it or what happened.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

Yeah, you see him looking on a when he's on Google looking for Roosevelt or whatever he's typed in, he's scrolling down. It's just like blah blah blah killed in plane crash, and I was like, oh. Because I didn't actually know up until that point what was going on at all.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

I reckon it would have been kind of cool if you didn't just see one version of the plane crash, but like two or three different versions, because you don't know what happened. So they could have shown the way where he was heroic, the way where he was cowardly, on another way as well, just to kind of make you keep guessing to what actually Richard Parker was, because showing how heroic he was at the start here means that when people say, Oh, he wasn't a nice guy, kind of you go, Well, we saw he was. You kind of go, Yeah, he was though.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Yeah, yeah, he helped.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah, and they cared about Peter, so it wasn't like they didn't give a crap about Peter. If they'd done one where they didn't care about Peter, like ah, he was just Lucy and the bear.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Yeah, they would have just taken him with them.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Yeah, it would have been interesting to have about two or three different versions, just so you would keep your guessing to actually what happened.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Yeah, 100% it would be actually.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

The shot transitions from the plane crashing into a red spider uh sorry, not the plane crashing into a red spider-man logo. Oh my god, who put this big thing here? He's dead. Spider-Man kills. The shot transitions from a plane crashing to a red spider logo with a black background, which is kind of cool because this shot then goes from that uh red spider logo to a shot of Spider-Man falling from the sky.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

Yeah, I liked that. And all the ruffles on the suit. Their animation was like they spent a lot of time on this.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

It looked beautiful. So he's falling from the sky and swinging through New York. Some pretty cool swinging shots here. You can also see the giant looming presence of the Oscorp building in the foreground. Alexi Sevstess Sevasvich. Alexy Sevesvitch, aka Rhino. That'll be close. That's close enough. AKA Rhino and his men are attacking an armoured truck. There is some weird chanting choir in Rhino's theme.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

It's just like he's just like a train. No no no no no no. It's like I see he had his own theme song, like a ice cream truck's coming.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Watch out. He's coming. Spider-Man springs into action. Seems like Rhino is after some sort of serum or particles that Oscorp are transporting. There are some awkward banter jokes that Spider-Man does with Rhino from a driver's side window. When he first shows up, it's kind of like, hey, I'm Spider-Man. Do you want to pull over? It's like, I know it's the way Spider-Man is, but this seems reckless at the time because he's running through a whole lot of traffic in New York City and he's like bantering with them.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Yeah, literally having a banter when meanwhile he's almost gonna hit three, four people. He hasn't shot all these webs out in different directions.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

It might be like diehard when um the trilogy came out on PlayStation. It was the third game, it was a driving game, and you go through the city trying to stop bombs with Bruce Willis and Samuel Jackson. Oh fuck, right. But if you hit a pedestrian and you're in first-person mode, you saw the window wipers go because they had to wipe the blood off the front of the woodscreen. It reminds me that could have been happening with Spider-Man right here. Boom, boom. Oh my god, it's like one guy's caught in the window office.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

He's just talking to him, a guy's caught in the grill.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Help me, Spider-Man. He's just like, hey buddy. Don't worry, we're just talking here. You'll be fine once we get that leg removed.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Hey, I'm walking here.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

The Spider-Man suit has been updated in this movie. Looks closer to Baguar's look and less homemade. I preferred the homemade look from the first film, as it gave the suit more personality while also keeping it different enough for Baguar's suit. So this one it looks like he just had an upgrade.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Yeah, I want to know where he got it from. Yeah, did he make that or didn't look homemade to me? No, it didn't at all. It looked like it was completely fabricated in a somewhere. Looks like it was made for a movie.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Hmm. Had like a costume designer. But yeah, the first one had like the wetsuit look, the sunglasses, like the eyes were sunglasses. Yeah, they were too. It was much better actually. You don't notice it so much in the movie, but in the video game for Amazing Spider-Man, you notice it actually the bottom of his shoes or a sneaker, just put some wrap over his shoes, but the bottom still has the sneaker design on it, which is really really cool. But yeah, it's just kind of kept more personality. Again, like you said at the start, Peter Parker's supposed to be smart. So having him design a homemade suit was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Damn right, like even his own his web shooters, even his door lock mechanism. Press a button on a remote control radio thing, and it just goes Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

This movie or this series does better than the Maguire ones, because Maguire is seen as being smart, like in certain aspects. But he never invents anything. No, he didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

He kind of just saved everyone selflessly.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

And just knew the answers and questions in the class, but didn't actually invent anything. Like obviously the web shooters were natural or biological in the Maguire ones.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Yeah, he had to learn how to kind of control it with the way he put his hand down.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Yeah, I like this movie also in the amazing Spider-Man, how the web shooters are actually part of the story. It's kind of cool because he designs them, you see him making them in the first one where everything's like blown off into his face, like the web. And this one actually becomes a big part of the story.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Yeah, it does too, actually, when he changes to a well, that's later.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

When he later on, yeah, when he figures out the electric problem. Yeah. Meanwhile, Max is walking along the street with a comical amount of blueprints in his hand. Now is he he's like, hasn't he got a satchel or like a tube he can put those in? He's like holding them all together like Yeah, that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

I was like, well, surely you just wrap them in a giant web. Oh sorry, the Max scene. Yeah. Yeah, I thought you were talking about when he had all the plutonium and he's like he's just like running down the street with it and one's about to drop and he just webs them up into the sky.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

No, that actually comes uh after this part because it cuts away to Max and he's just walking down the street, he's like holding all his tubes. Yeah. You can get poster tubes for that. Yeah, literally. Put them all in there. And they're blueprints too. Why would you be walking down the street with them? With Oscorp blueprints. That'd kill you for that. Anyway, Max loses some of his blueprints and they roll into the road. Spider-Man saves Max from a taxi that was flying towards him thanks to Rhino ramming traffic. Again, we're talking about how Rhino's ramming through traffic. Spider-Man doesn't seem to care much about that. He just wants that um all those vials. Not at all. Spider-Man gives Max a pep talk telling him that you're not a nobody, you're a somebody. Rhino's men start loading radioactive Oscorp vials into a case. Then they start firing at the police from the back of the truck with assault rifles. Like just you know, everyday assault rifles.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

As you do. Oscorp assault rifles.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Well, are they working for Oscorp? Because it's they're stealing from Oscorp. Oh, true, so they'd just be like those thugs that go around. Yeah, it's just like in the video games that they're this thugs on the street, yet they have automatic weapons. Where do they get all this technology? I don't know. And they're Russian too, so of course. Spider-Man disarms them with his webs and hangs them for the police. Hangs them like safely. I'm not talking about he's hanging them from their necks or anything. He hangs them up for their webs.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

My god, he's so vicious. Spider-Man's evil. He's killed all this man. What has he done? He's draining their blood.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Some of those radioactive vials get loose, so Spidey has to grab them all. He gets all but one, which bounces away onto the street like a cartoon. Ding, ding, ding, ding.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Uh, is this a video game all of a sudden? Real real comical bouncing like. Like it wouldn't just explode and go radiation.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

And then everyone would die horribly. As Spider-Man grabs the last vial, he is cleaned up by a police car. I actually love that where he's like, got it, and all of a sudden whack, he gets hit by a police car, causing Spider-Man to hang on the front of it. He then gets a phone call from Gwen. His ringtone is the classic Spider-Man theme. 8-bit as well. Gwen is at their high school graduation ceremony. I do like the banter and chemistry between Andrew Galfield and Emma Stone. I think if anything, the faults in this movie aren't with them. I think they're just pretty good. Yeah, they do bounce off each other quite well. Peter's spider sense goes off and he starts to see visions of Gwen's dead dad, Captain Stacy. Peter promised to a dying Captain Stacy in the first film that he will stay away from Gwen for her own protection. Gwen is their class valedictorian. Of course she is. I put here um Spider Man confronts Rhino again and his truck while Gwen's speech runs over the action. She talks about high school being a brief four years. Brief. Yeah. Are you sure? I remember Emma Stone in Superbad back in 2007 as a high school senior. Then again an Easy A in 2010. So it's now 2014, so you're still in high school? Being valedictorian should be expected at this point. Four years.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Yeah, more like 10, you've just been pushed back and she just wants to really be valedictorian.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

I passed.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

It's manipulating all the other students around her. If you do my homework for me.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Cut to a weird slow-mo shot of a bus while Spider-Man grabs the vial of Oscorp stuff that got dislodged from his hands. Spider-Man takes down Rhino who fires an assault rifle at him. Spider-Man webs up both his arms, then down trouts them, exposing his boxer shorts. This is a bit too goofy for my liking. Had you notice in the boxer shorts they had little rhinos on them? Yeah, they did too. It's like, uh funny. There are some Batman and Robin moments to this, but the worst parts, like Batman and Robin, yeah, it's not always the greatest Batman film, but there are some points in it that are not bad, but it seems like they took the worst parts of Batman and Robin and put them in here. Peter arrived at graduation just in time to pick up his diploma and wildly kissed Gwen in front of the home class. After that, you notice like high fives from the teacher's story. He's like, Yeah, yeah. Look what I did. Jack it out.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

And he's wearing the same t-shirt that I've got on. Uh not the one that I've got, but I've got a t-shirt hand that says Thrasher that's got like a goofy ass skateboard guy on it. I was like, Andrew Garfield's got the t-shirt I have. It's first movie ever I've seen. Does that mean you're Spider-Man? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

God, powers. I am spoiled Ramon. Peter and Aunt May laugh and talk about Uncle Ben. Seems like Peter has gotten over the guilt of getting him murdered in the first place. You keep laughing it up, Peter. Life is good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Uncle Ben, and she keeps telling him how she feels useless without Uncle Ben there. She had to get another job to pay for his college. And he's like, Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Murdered them. Woo!

SPEAKER_03 23:58

And there's Gwen's dad again.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Yeah, he keeps popping up in this one. Gwen shows Peter a news bulletin about Roina and making sure he remembers to meet up with her later. Peter then sees another vision of Captain Stacy. Also has a clip of Captain Stacy's last words to Peter. I like this part of the film having Captain Stacy keep popping up, reminding Peter that he should leave Gwen out of it. Makes it more brutal later when he can't save her. It's better foreshadowing than having Peter dream about her dying and trying to stop it. I'm looking at you, episode three, Anakin Skywalker.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Yep. It's almost like it was a spidey sense telling him, get away from my daughter, you're gonna get her killed.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Maybe his spidey sense are amping up his guilt. If you have normal guilt, it gets amped up because of the spider sense, which is causing the visions. Or Captain Stacy's like Patrick Swayze and Ghost and it's just following around. And he's just come back. Yeah, he could be too. His it's ghost. Like we didn't see like Peter Parker could have been making clay stuff at one stage, and then when he did it, the Captain Stacy could have put his ghost arms around him.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Yeah, we don't even know. We don't know. And then that's where the guilt came from.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Yeah, it's like I'll never make another clay pot again.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

So he made a new suit. There you go, that's how he made his new suit. Yeah, ghost Captain Stacy and Peter Parker made his new suit because he needed to leave Gwen alone. That's factual. And that's why he's guilty because he actually loved her father more than her. And he didn't want to admit to it, so that's why he's just filled with guilt. What they didn't show us was them kissing in that scene when when he's dying. Yeah. Peter's like he's like, please leave her for me. And then he's just changed his guilt trip into you have to leave her alone.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Mm-hmm. Yep. We know the real reason though. Peter sees Gwen in a restaurant but doesn't go in as he can't face Gwen's family. Gwen goes out to meet him. Peter says that he can't stop seeing Gwen's dad everywhere he goes. Peter then says how he can't let anything happen to her. Careful, Peter. You're sounding a little Anakinish.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

I hate you.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

And Gwen breaks up with Peter as he keeps whinging and not wanting her to get hurt and being distant with her. Because they've turned you against me. You have done that yourself of a sudden.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

You have done that yourself.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Obi-Wan just shows up in New York.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Splitting around with his lightsaber.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

That's the movie we should have got. Peter runs away angry. This transitions to Spider-Man leaping off a building. Spider-Man helps a nerdy kid from some bullies, then he talks to him about his cool wind turbine science project. This is a nice wee scene to show him being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Spider-Man uses his webs to fix the kid's project. So I think in the start of the whole month and homecoming, it does that really well too. It shows him being a good neighborhood.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

Yeah, he is going around like not just helping like the gang members from driving down the street of New York screaming.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Yeah, and he's not just going after big, big baddies all the time. He's just helping old ladies cross the road sort of thing. He's a good Samaritan. During Spider-Man transitioning from one side mission to the next, that's what I call them side missions. You can hear people's opinions, good and bad, about him. I'm guessing from some radio show. Also reminds me that there is, of course, no J. Jonah Jameson in these films. Oh my goodness. Well, not in person. He does get mentioned later. Max calls into the show defending Spider-Man. Spider-Man stopping a convenience store robbery while having the flu is quite amusing. Yeah, he's a ups bar the bay and then sneezes on the poor guy. With his master will answer.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

All through the mask.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Spider-Man starts to follow Gwen around. Aunt May comes into Peter's room. He quickly hides his Spider-Man suit from her by hiding under his bed sheets. His face is really dirty, so he says how he was cleaning the chimney. Smooth. Real smooth. But Aunt May points out they have no chimney. And I like how Peter's response. He's like, What what? We don't? This is face of a complete surprise that they don't have a chimney.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

I think he should have been climbing in with the Spider-Man suit the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

What? What have I been climbing into then?

SPEAKER_03 28:01

He hasn't, he's just been launching himself through the wall.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Why all these holes keep coming through the wall? Peter! Peter has a flashback memory of his parents when he picks up his dad's bag. Capture Max in his apartment. He has Spider-Man's pictures all over the place. Max pretends that he and Spider-Man are friends. This is a pretty sad, soul-crushing thing to watch.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Yeah, it reminds me of John Lennon's super fan, who decided to shoot him because he was that obsessed, type of thing. It was just yeah, it was very whoo.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Reminds me of a mad TV skit from the 90s. There's a bit where a guy loves the show friends so much that he pretends that he is on the show with them. So he's pretending to be all the different characters, and he's the guy in the middle just hanging out with his friends.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Oh god, it's terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

It was played for last, but I watched it and it's just sad. You got the Max line here where he's like, Of course, why wouldn't you visit me? After all, we're best friends.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

We're best friends. When he pulls out the electro cake from the fridge. Yeah, that's girl with the little lightning bolts. And then you notice that's on his suit later. Yeah. The same lightning bolts.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Yeah, so it's also got green trimming, because that's his colour. Oh, of course. In the comics. Yeah. Max has a birthday cake in his fridge as it's his birthday. He pretends that Spider-Man was the one who gave him the cake. Thanks for the cake, Spider-Man. Oh, you meant it for me? Oh Max's themes have loud whispering in them that come more apparent once he becomes electro. The power then goes out in his apartment. Max knows exactly what caused it. Circuit 39 shows you how he knows so much about power already.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

That's what I thought that would have helped him dissipate through the through the everything, like how he changed and how he could hold it like a thing and shoot arcs of lightning type of yeah, that was Well, he knows the grid.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

He made it. He knows how electricity works, so when he becomes electricity, he knows exactly what he can and cannot do.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Yeah, exactly. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

I think it's actually quite clever too, because it means you cut out the part where he's trying to learn how to use his powers. Yeah, because he's already so smart it just kind of develops into it. Cut to Aunt May talking to her boss. She has a waitress somewhere, but she is also studying to be a nurse, and she has to start her training rounds at hospital soon. Good on her for starting a new career. Don't let age be a barrier, I put here. People who say you're too old to do something are just negative. Don't care what age you are. If you want to do it, do it. Look at me, I'm 55 years old, and here I am. I'm a nurse. I'm a nurse.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Working double shifts. And my my grandson is Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Could rob a bank for me, but he's a selfish little She is keeping it a secret from Peter though. Seems like they both have secrets to hide. Not Uncle Ben though. He's still dead. Yeah, he's still dead. Still dead though. He ain't keeping no secrets because he's dead. He's dead, Peter, but that's alright. You just keep laughing and living up.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

You keep laughing and Aunt May will just s slyly cut you with with the little bits of She's ah, he's not here anymore. I wish Ben was here. I don't know what to do anymore, Peter. It's not like he helps her. He just leaves and gets sick and just like selflessly helps everyone else but his auntie.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

And forgets the eggs most of the time. My god. Peter has been selling photos to the Daily Bugle and mentions J. Jonah Jamison. So that's why he comes back and he just gets mention from Peter. Aunt May wants to do Peter's washing as he turned everything red and blue last time. Peter's excuse? He was washing the American flag.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Like all Americans should weekly. His excuses for Aunt May are always so stupid. Because she knows what's going on. He's just like, yeah, he has this excuse, and she's like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I came down the chimney and I was washing the American flag. Again, it's something similar to the uh Spider-Man 2's Remy when he's in the washing uh shop at the the at a washing machine place. Oh yeah, he is too. What do you call an America when they go to washing laundromat. Laundromat. There you go. I could not think of the word. He goes for a laundromat and like he pulls out his boxer shorts and the red and blue because of his suit.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Damn it.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

That's it. I don't want to be Spider-Man anymore.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

It ruins my whites. Someone walks in and steals your washing, you'd be like, oh my god. Someone walking around like I didn't think you want anything for Spider-Man. Just hitting people stealing their wallets. And it's like, uh you'd just never be Spider-Man again.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

You'd just be like, I'm gonna become the Master Avenger. Katsu Max heading to work at Oscorp. Max explains to a suit and tie that he designed the Power Grid to the city. The suit and tie guy doesn't believe him and says that if it's true, then he must be Spider-Man Katsu Max manhandling the guy saying how he's no Spider-Man. But this was just in Max's head.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Having a full schizophrenic breakdown, psychotic fit, and that was yeah, just a pop what he wanted to do is don't talk, don't talk about Spider-Man like that. Yeah, that's the whole that's the voices in his head almost. And then yeah, when it's cut back to him kind of standing there, I was like, oh, that was that was in his head.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Max meets Gwen on the elevator. Not Gwen to fight you though, otherwise she would have gone, hey baby, hey baby, hey, Spider-Man, Spider-Man. Max lies about having a big birthday party. Makes me sad for him. Max goes a little too weird about Spider-Man to Gwen as well. He saved me once. You know that? He saved me. He knew me. He asked me to be his eyes and ears.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

And then ignores her and then just stares at the at the thing on the thing, and she's like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Yeah, I'm getting off this floor. Cut to Norman Osborne's mansion. So finally Harry comes into this about 30 minutes into the film. Just took this long to actually introduce one of the major characters. Cut to Norman Osborne's mansion, where Harry returns home. Dane to Hahn, the actor who plays Harry, looks like a poor man's Leonardo DiCaprio. With so much anger. Yeah. He just is always angry. I look at him though in this film, and I was like, he's just unlikable. Yeah. Even when Peter's hanging out with him, I don't believe it. Yeah, he like rips into Peter.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

He's like, oh, sorry about your dad. And he's like, you got your braces off. Yeah, I just apologise for your dad dying. You you you psycho. Yeah. And you even go, We'll just break the ice and just do what we used to do, because I'm a sociopath.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah, pretty much. He just he's always angry. Harry visits his dying father Norman. They have a strained relationship, to say the least. That's what Norman says to him. I don't expect you to understand that your childhood had to be sacrificed for something greater. And not just for me, but for you. The Osborne seem to suffer from a disease that will eventually kill them. Harry seems to panic at this, but Harry is like what, 18? And his dad Norman is like what, 60?

SPEAKER_03 34:36

And even when he's in the videos with Peter's father, he's only on a crutch. He's only got only got a cane and just you'll be fine for like another 15, 20 years. If you didn't inject yourself with that lizard serum thing, I'm pretty sure you would have been fine for a while.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Well, he's got a good 35 to 40 years to find a cure I put here. If that's the case. But it seems like his ones accelerate for no reason. Yeah. He's just all of a sudden really sick later on. It's like, but it's only been like not even a month. Your dad told you he was sick, all of a sudden did he like just cough in your face and make it worse?

SPEAKER_03 35:08

I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't even a disease, it's just like hooping cough, and now he has it.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah. It was just a really bad throat infection that got worse and worse and you didn't get it treated. He's from wearing these masks all the time. Norman gives Harry his research. Maybe he can succeed where Norman failed. Again, he's got 35 to 40 years, surely. Cutsapeter sending Jameson an email of a Spider-Man pick with a story about how heroic he is. Jameis just responds, wrong.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

Bogger.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

A news story comes over the TV. Norman Osborne is dead. So that was terminated too. What's the name of your dog? Uh Max? What's wrong with Wolfie? Oh, Wolfie's fine. He hangs up the phone. Your foster parents are dead. Your foster parents are dead. So brutal. Anyway, so Norman Osborne is dead. Peter sees Harry on the TV. Peter seems to know Harry. Gwen gets a phone call from Oxford scholars while Max is forced to stay late by suit and tie guy.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Mr. Smythe.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Said his name, I never even picked it up. Yeah. As there is a problem in the lab, poor Max has to stay late on his birthday. Max starts to fix the issues in the lab. The issue Max needs to fix is directly above pools of giant electrified eels.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

I even Googled what he was doing. I was like, what is he doing with these two steamy vents? I was like, what could possibly go wrong with vents that are steaming and he's going to put them, plug them together? So I googled it and I was like, what were you doing? And apparently it's a power coupling failure.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Oh, okay. He even rings up the guy, hey, can you just turn the vents off so I can like not be horrifically burned? Guys, I can't do that, buddy. Can't do that, pal. Yeah, I can't do that, pal. I'm not your fan, buddy. Surprisingly, Max falls into one of the L tanks. Never saw that coming. Well, holding on to a power cable and gets superpowers, of course, and not a horribly painful death. Peter would have a fit. Cast Harry talking to the Oscorp board. Harry talks down to all of them, except for Norman's assistant, Felicia. I'm guessing Felicia Harding, otherwise known as Black Cat. Harry makes the board members answer to her. Peter visits Harry. They haven't seen each other in about ten years. Apparently Harry was there for him when his parents disappeared, so he came to repay the favour and send us condolences about Norman. Harry decides to hang with Peter and ditch his meeting. So ah just go with you instead and let's just go through stones. I don't care. Hang on, go back.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Where did these eels come from?

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Um somewhere. Who are these eels? They look pretty big though, like rather than normal.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Yeah, and they were real electrified.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

They kind of look like the old Paramount logo. They do actually. In a real rugby league reference. Harry tries to sound down to earth with Peter, but just comes across as awkward and stilted. I don't really believe that they are old friends.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

No, like what interactions have they had ever?

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Hi hi Peter.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

I think they were both kind of outcasts.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

And they're showing all these memories about when Harry sorry, when Peter's parents left, couldn't they have like a thing, like could have filmed something with Harry coming over to his house as a kid or something?

SPEAKER_03 38:16

That's what I was thinking of him going over to his being like, oh you know, my dad's always busy, like let's hang out.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Yeah, and became friends because they both have fathers who aren't there for them. But yeah, they could have done that, but didn't. Peter tells Harry about Gwen. Big mistake. Yeah. That we'll talk about later. Yeah. Harry and Peter have been surveillanced while they skip stones by a waterside by one of the board members. Harry and Peter then start talking about Spider-Man. So they talk about how Spider-Man's he's supposed to be like Hope, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

He helps those who something something and then just reads that as a he will help me, because I've got money type of yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

The board member who is watching Peter and Harry gets notified about Max's accident in the lab and of his demise. Board member says to cover up Max's death, of course. Of course, because they're a shady Oscorp company. Well they actually are Oscorp, so I guess so. Yeah. Cut to the morgue where the lights start to flicker, then eventually explode. Max has come back to life in a quite shocking way. It's electrifying. Max takes some clothes and leaves the morgue. Cut to Peter, get in the call. Peter then meets up with Gwen and cuts across traffic in a real kind of rom-com sort of way where he just goes in front of cars. Just walking in front of cars. That's what you're doing rom coms, because they'll stop for you. You won't get hit. Gwen meets up to tell Peter that it's time they tried. Tried to be friends, that is. Max starts to suck the electricity out of vehicles as he walks along the street. Meaning is it like coming out of the grates and all sorts, doesn't even know what he's doing. He starts to see the world in a lit up, power grid type of way. Kind of reminds me of the Matrix.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

That's exactly what I thought too, when he is the one.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

There are actually a few Matrix references I have in this film. That's the first one. The other references are of Revolution, it's the third one, but that was from the first one. Yeah, at the end, like you say, Neo finally starts to see everything like a computer. Yeah. That's what this reminds me of, but in a more bluish electricity kind of way.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

I thought it was quite cool. Yeah. And the way they've done it's amazing. I don't know how they did that. Yeah, I still don't like the way Jamie Foxx looked. Jamie Foxx still looked like he was a stretched-out blue burn victim of some description.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Yeah, it kind of reminds me of a character from Buffy the Vampire season two. There was this guy they had to assemble and he looked like that when he was assembled. It was pretty bad. Love Buffy though. Peter accidentally admits that he's been stalking Gwen. He just admits to it. Yeah, and I I know you go to that place. Yeah, it's around in such and such street, right? So it's only been open a month. He's like, ooh, okay, I've been found out. She finds it cute though. Lucky break Peter could have been messy there. Yep. Then Gwen tells Peter she's moving to England, possibly to Oxford. Anyone ever says I'm moving to England? It's usually I'm moving to London or I'm moving to somewhere. United Kingdom. Yeah. England is just so American.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Yeah, I am moving to England. The irony that England is so American. Um the one that has the big university by some bridge. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Again, when we did Batman and Robin, they talked about how she's from England. So it's an American thing that's held people there. Oh my god, yeah, they did too. Not from London or United Kingdom or UK or Oxford or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

God, she had a horrible British accent.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

She didn't have one, that's the problem. No, Hollywood have been like, What? She's from England, it's fine, guys. Peter's spidey sense goes off. Max shows up in Times Square. The spinning shot of Max surrounded by the screens is actually really cool. When you first see him, he's got the hood on and it just shows all the monitors in Times Square.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Yeah, like that, and he looks at himself and he and he starts shaking and he goes, I've got so much anger. Yeah. And I was like, I was like, ooh.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

It's really cool actually. Peter leaves Gwen with his clothes and back. Max starts to drain the underground cables, but a cop confronts him. Electro effects do not flatter Jimmy Fox and put his face in. Yeah, like I said, he talked about the costume again. It doesn't look good. Max picks up a van with his Emperor lightning powers. Doesn't help that he has a hood while doing this, making him look more like the Emperor. Do it.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Please Anakin, I'm an old man. I'm an old man. Oh damn it, power.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

It's in the meme where he's like, you could just stop hitting lightning at him, it'll be fine because he's getting deflicted by Sebu Jackson. Like just stop with the lightning, alright?

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Yeah, in reality, he's doing it. He's charging himself with electricity. He's just shooting it back at himself and going, I'm too weak, Anakin. And Anakin stood there like I hate sand.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

Max is surrounded. He tries to reason with the police. Max looks at himself on the Times Square monitors. Every time. Do you have a clear shot?

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Take it if you see it. It's like they have no context of what's happening on the ground with the superhero that saved most of your city. There's a guy shooting electricity everywhere, and you think shooting him with a conventional gun isn't gonna do anything. The logic. They're like stormtroopers, but they don't miss.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Non-missing stormtroopers. Shoot him! The cops use gas grenades against Max. He pleads with him to stop as he can't control his powers. So he's like, please stop, I can't control this. When he gets the gas grenades, though they all start spinning with electricity.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Max then lets off an electrical wave. Like a blast. It reminds me of Infamous when you got the powers you can like blast with a wave.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Oh, when you jump up and go and come back down. Yeah, yeah. Very similar. Oh, I didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Well, it's a game all about electricity power, so I was waiting for Electro to surf the wires, you know? Ah, true. Disappearing through the wires. So good. Spider Man shows up to help the police. Max talks to Spider Man asking if he remembers him. After they reconnect about that fateful day with the blueprints, Spidey tries to reason with Max. Max gets offended because Spider Man Spider-Man doesn't remember his name.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Yeah, he remembers the blueprints in that day, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he's just like, Oh, doesn't remember my name. Because when he's in the elevator with Gwen at that other part where he seen C Spider-Man on the TV, she goes, Okay, see you, Max. And he goes, You remembered my name? And he like almost goes to step out of the elevator. Yeah. Like it was like, oh my god, like that was his that's all he's wanted, just some recognition.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Be honest, I'm actually impressed how much Spider-Man actually remembers because he goes, You're my eyes and ears, right? Yeah. He looks completely different now. Literally. He's not the same guy. He's now light blue. He plays it so chill. You're my eyes and ears, right? So well he is now because he's electric and he can hear, see, everything. I'm impressed that Spider-Man knows as much as he does. Obviously, he doesn't remember his name, but the fact that he remembers the situation. How many things has Spider-Man done since then?

SPEAKER_03 44:47

I wonder what would happen in an alternate reality if they never took the shot at him and Spider-Man never remembered him.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

It's like if you're a retail person and someone comes in, I know three months ago I bought this particular thing. You remember me, right? So uh you're my eyes and ears, right? Yeah, you're my eyes and ears, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Oh you remember me.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

But no, seriously need a receipt. Spider-Man tries to web up Max, but the electricity throws him back into a police car. The electricity fries one of Spider-Man's web shooters. Love that. So you see how this burnt it is.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

It was almost like the there was a battery in it. Yeah. And it like just burnt out that because it's a little piece that he pulls out when he goes back later to repair it. I was like, oh what just destroyed it.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

It looked nasty. Max's whisper theme music returns as the crowd cheer on Spider-Man, and the screens in Times Square start to change to Spider-Man. The whisper song says, He lied to me. He shared at me, he hates me.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Very turnside on schizophrenia. Oof, it was creepy. Creepy.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Electro was born in the situation, because now for now on I call him Electro for the rest of the thing, because he's in this moment he goes from being Max to being Electro.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

Yeah, within seconds.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Yeah, because until then he's still trying to be Max and trying to be nice. But then once he starts attacking Spider-Man, that's it. He's now become so much anger, and now he can use it now. Yeah. So Electro is born and starts to use the full force of his powers against Spider-Man. The bit with the electrified grandstand is actually pretty cool. He has Spider-Man figuring it all out in slow-mo, so stopping the crowd from touching the electrified rail. So you see Spider-Man slow-mo coming out. Yeah, I like that. Oh, one of the things I watched recently, someone did say it's weird that Spider-Man can move faster at speed of light. Yeah, okay. Yeah. We'll go with it for the scene. He's slowing it down to the point where he can actually move and like the flash in DC. Electro drains Times Square to recharge and increase his power and goes full on Emperor, shooting people with this force lightning. He like floats up just going zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap. Spider-Man, along with some firemen, used the fire hose to blast Electro. That's the first thing I would have done. Was blast some of the water? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

But it shows you sparts again from Spider-Man. Imagine it was raining. They would all be dead. Every single person in New York would be dead. Every building that had rain on it, everything dead. Spidey wearing a fireman's hat was a nice touch.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

He's just wearing a fireman's hat. Let's go, guys. He actually looked like good. Yeah, it's cool. Peter talks to Gwen again about England. Cuts of Peter lying in his room watching the news story about Electro and looking at the photo of him and Gwen. While Peter was taking his Spider-Man suit off, they made a point of it to show his dad's briefcase Setchel again, hinting that this will be important later. Peter looks at his electrified web shooters. Peter then grabs his dad's briefcase and goes through it again. He looks up Rosie Belt Island as his dad has a subway token. Peter then prints off a whole bunch of stuff about his dad and pins it all to a conspiracy wall.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Yep. A giant, giant conspiracy wall.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Gotta have that. Meanwhile, Harry is watching the Spider-Man news story from his office. He's now a big CEO, so he has to have an alcoholic drink on his desk. He doesn't drink it, it's just there. His dad had one.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

Yeah. Just left it there.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Smells like dad. Put it back. Harry unlocks his dad's research box with his blood. I love how his desk is, in fact, a big monitor screen that he uses with the research box.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

It's real cool. It reminds me of uh Ir Man and that very that movie years ago was. Minority Report? No. Minority Report. Yeah, yeah, with Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

Yeah. So good. It's so good. Oh. I got the same thoughts, that's why I saw it straight away. That was ahead of its time, that movie. I love that film. So good. Steven Spielberg directed that one. Yeah, God, it was good. Harry looks at some of Norman's research, which include experimental military grade bodysuits, which will come back in a big way later. He also finds Richard Parker's research project videos. Cut to Peter working on his fried web shooter, starts to experiment with electricity so he can nullify the issue they have. Cut to experiment montage. Later on, Peter's phone goes off, and it's actually really funny. He uses his web shooter to grab it, but accidentally grabs a crowbar instead and gets a crowbar in the face. Oh we hear his dog. Especially when you're not expecting that when you're sleeping. Oh because you'd wake up, you'd brain and be like Harry. He wants to meet up as he's dying, but he thinks Peter can help. Harry needs Spider-Man's blood.

SPEAKER_03 49:20

So it's basically an Anakin and Darth Sidious situation.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

I can help save the ones you love. Peter doesn't think this is a good idea. After all, look what happened with Dr. Kirk Connors, aka the lizard.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

He's acting really creepy too, Harry. He's acting real, just like I just want your blood. Yeah, just real vindictive, just real crazy about it. And then when he hugs him and he's like, I'm sorry, Peter's like I'm hurt. I'm hurt. Don't touch me. Or he's like, God, you smell he smells like the reptile stench that his dad had.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Yeah, he has desperation in his eyes, but it's not good too. Meanwhile, Gwen is searching for Max and the Oscorp database. Her search is blocked and alerts security. Harry shows a dark side when he says for Peter to not turn his back on him. Peter says he will try and find Spider-Man. Gwen meets up with Peter while she's hiding from security. She tells Peter about what happened to Max. Then there's a maintenance room cliche joke that does not land at all. Maintenance room together talking about it. Peter creates a distraction involving his web shooter, a cup of coffee, and a tied shoelace. This gives Gwen time to escape. You notice when he does the distraction too, when he's leaving, he does like a kick with his feet? Like this subway kick and dance. I didn't s no, I didn't notice that. I don't know. I don't know what it's from. I was like, is it from Ghostbusters, maybe? He just kind of kicks his feet together and he walks. I can't actually remember seeing that, but I must have missed that altogether. I guess I can't remember what it's from. I tried to look it up but I couldn't find it. So if anyone knows, just uh email me at nobody does itpen at outlook.com. Gwen meets up with Harry in the elevator. Harry just comes across as creepy. Cut to the Ravencroft Institute, where Electro is being held. The doctors are studying him. Otherwise, pretty much torturing him. Electro says, A world without power, a world without mercy, a world without Spider-Man. I'm like, alright, sure, mate. Yeah, okay, cool. Electro is put in some water so he can cool off. Perfect. Cut to Aunt May in Peter's room looking at his conspiracy wall. Peter asks her to tell him the truth about his parents. This causes Aunt May to have a breakdown, explaining how she's taking nursing classes with twenty-two-year-olds so she can pay for Peter's college. She says these lines I don't know how to do this without Ben. I don't know how you're dreaming of your perfect father who was never here. No, as far as I'm concerned, you're my boy, and I won't hurt you. And like I actually got emotional on the scene. Yeah, it was quite long. She's very good. She's got those sad eyes too. Sally Field is Aunt May, she doesn't get much to do in these movies apart from this scene. It's like she's just there otherwise.

SPEAKER_03 52:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

And you remember Aunt May from the Raimi one because she's she's the first one, so she's quite iconic. And you remember the new ones, Tom Holland's ones. She's like 26 for some reason. She's 51, I think. Far out. She just looks really good for a 51-year-old or so. Damn better. But this one doesn't get much love because it's kind of forgotten about, so it's kind of nice that she has this scene. Yeah. Peter tells Aunt May that he is her boy and she is his everything. She is enough. But this is not what this is about. Peter tells Aunt May that he needs to know. Aunt May explains that days after his parents' funeral, some FBI agents came to see her and Uncle Ben. Richard and Norman were working on something very valuable together at Oscorp, which is why Peter's parents ran. The agents told Maid that they were traders. They apparently traded everything, friends, family, for the money. Peter doesn't believe it as it doesn't make any sense to him. They use some sort of steady cam in this scene that sometimes makes it feel like the walls are moving. You understand? Yeah, I don't like those. I was like, oh, it's like the way the wolves kind of move, it made me a little dizzy.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Yeah, warping the walls.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Yeah. Again, like we mentioned it in uh Scott Pilgrim, but it reminded me again of that 70s show with the wall movie. Oh yeah. But the scene itself for me is one of the best in the movie. Sally Fielder's Aunt May is great in this scene. It made me feel quite emotional in a way you wouldn't expect from this iteration of Spider-Man. Cut to Spider-Man visiting Harry at the Osborne mansion. Spider-Man tells him that he can't give him his blood as it's too dangerous. If his blood isn't compatible, Harry could die. Harry explains that he's already dying. Again, why is he dying when his dad lived over 40 years with the same disease?

SPEAKER_03 53:46

And never explains it. No, not at all. He doesn't need it. I'm pretty sure he's just got like paranoia of oh god, dad's dead, I'm gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

And like never says why it's accelerated for him. There's no line or anything. Like if they'd gone, oh god, we've realized the strain in his boy is actually accelerated 5,000%. Then I'd go, oh okay, cool, but no, nothing. Just you're dying now. And now that you know you're dying, you're gonna die. Yeah, literally, you're dying. Sorry, Harry. Spider-Man says, or it could do something worse. Harry says, You're a fraud, Spider-Man. Spider-Man, come out and play. Cuts Spider-Man. That's a better goblin, sorry. He's more like, you're a fraud, Spider Man. Cuts of Peter talking to Gwen while she is in a hurry to go somewhere. Gwen has to go to her last interview for Oxford. Gwen tells Peter that she has to go to England. Again, to England. Always going to England. Gotta go to England. Not anywhere in particular. I've got to go to England, alright? Cuts of Peter destroying his conspiracy wall and throwing his dad's stuff around. Hold up. Where did all those tokens come from? Peter discovers that his dad had put some subway tokens in his calculator. Peter then finds on the magical movie internet where all the answers are. He just goes straight to it and the answers are right there. There we go. All the magical answers. Peter then finds on the magical movie internet, where all answers are, just a click on the computer, that there is an abandoned part of Roosevelt subway station, Roosevelt Secret Station. Roosevelt Secret Station, otherwise known as Track 61, was a secret subterranean extension of New York's D-line under the Perishing Square. Sorry, under Perish Perishine Square? I think Perishine. Under Perishine Square was originally built to transport President Franklin Roosevelt away from the public eye to keep his polio hidden from the American people.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

And now they use it as a train station for the Nintendo's Mutant Ninja Turtles, live action one. The actual train station. Really? Is that the one from uh Secret of the Ears? Yeah, and you that's your last line on your New York subway.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

So the last line that goes ding dong. Ah.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Yeah, Track 61 is a special platform in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel that allows guests with private rail cars to have them routed straight to a hotel where they can take private freight elevator to a second building. It was constructed directly above the tracks in the old New York Central Railroad, which is now connected to the city of Chicago through Midwest tracks. Famous VIPs would use the entrance in World War I. General John J. Pershing, who was the first to use it in 1938. Yeah, Roosevelt, and then Andy Warhol, who held an underground party in 1965. But that's interesting, yeah, because FDR's limo apparently would drive off the train car and go into it. Yeah, so you go past it, that's the last, and they filmed um part of Ghostbusters was there. Oh really? Yeah, Tina's Mutant Ninja Turtles. I am Legend, yeah. He goes past it.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Oh, wow, okay. There you go. So a little bit of facts there that I didn't know much about. Cut to Felicia talking to Harry. Harry tells Felicia to take the day off. Felicia says to Harry that there might be another way for Harry to get what he's looking for. Felicia overheard from a source that before they had the spiders destroyed, they extracted the venom from them. A way to comply with the lawsuits, but keep it in case they needed it. It is somewhere in the Oscorp building, somewhere off books called Special Projects. Harry uses his desk that is also a computer to search for special projects. Last entry was one hour prior and was apparently approved by Harry Osborne. Harry finds the security footage of Max falling into the electric eel tank and finds out all about Electro. Harry's user access then gets revoked and guards storm into his office. That slimy scheming board member has framed Harry for the cover-up of Max's accident. He goes, You're going to die a horrible death like your father. Difference is though, no one is going to miss you. Like, oh, what a brutal thing to say, mate. You fight him, then you're gonna tell him that no one's gonna miss him when you die horribly from a disease.

SPEAKER_03 57:45

Yeah, or is it not a disease? Is it just him giving them things over a course of years?

SPEAKER_01 57:49

Maybe it's that jigsaw disease that Iron Man has in Iron Man too. Oh, it could be too. Yeah. Hmm, we'll see. That board member is a real piece of trash I put in there. Real goddamn piece of garbage. Harry then creepily but calmly exits the Oscorp building. Cuts of Peter sneaking into Roosevelt's secret station. The station reminds me of where Neo is stuck at the beginning of the Matrix Revolutions and talks to Ramakundra. Only way more run down in this version. So the bit of the subway where he's stuck there talking to that guy in Revolutions. Peter inserts the tokens in one of the subway machines. Nothing happens. Then all of a sudden, a whole train cart rises up from beneath the tracks. Power comes on inside the train cart. There is a whole lab set up in there. It's so cool. That is awesome. I don't want it runs here Thunderbirds. Penelope. Peter watches a downloaded video message on a computer from his dad, Richard Parker. He explains in the message that he found out that Norman had foreign investors who wanted to use Richard's work as biological weapons. Richard refused, so Norman set him up so that he could take the fall and take control of his work. Cuts are Harry Riving at the Ravencroft Institute, where he wants to see Electro. Guards refuse to let him in, so he takes out two much larger guards with their own tasers. Where did Harry learn to fight? He just knows how to fight.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

Weedly little kid who's just angry, full of hate, rage, his father dies, he's dying, and he fights off two grown security guards. No. Doesn't work. Unless you're wearing that suit already, no.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Richard explains as we cut back to Peter watching the video that the dinner he used for spiders was his own. Hence how Peter got his powers. It wasn't mere chance like in other versions of Spider-Man, it was science destiny for Peter. Science Destiny.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

Science Destiny.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Without his bloodline, Oscorp cannot replicate his experiments. Cut back to Harry sneaking around wearing a mask. Good man, best to be safe in this COVID world. Cut back to Richard saying how he must run. But this will mean leaving his son behind. Nothing is apparently more important to Richard than Peter. This bit feels really shoehorned in. Like really, really shoehorned like It's like they thought about it halfway through the movie and went, we need to add more. We don't think he cares enough about Peter, so we're gonna actually literally make him say the line. Because he doesn't really care about Peter much for the rest of this. Yeah, he's just in a way. We'll dump you off at your uncles and aunties, I don't really care. Cut back to Harry at Ravencroft. He has found Electro's containment unit. Harry tells Electro that he will let him go as he wants to cut a deal with him. Harry says he can give him Spider-Man, but he needs something first. He needs him to help him get into Oscorp, as he no longer runs it. Electro breaks out and agrees to help. So this part feels Batman and Robin like in all the worst ways. Music didn't help either in this scene, but again, in this scene, you see earlier things, Electro he gets off on people needing him. Like, you need me? You need me? And that's what Harry says here when he's getting taken away. I need you! I need you! Yeah. So that's what actually convinces him. Not the fact that he'll get Spider-Man and stuff. He just likes to feel needed.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

Because he was the one who made the power grid in the first place, got no recognition, and that's just like I'm just nobody, but I should be a somebody.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Cuts of Peter leaving the subway tunnels. He has a voice message on his phone. It's Gwen. She got into Oxford. And now she's on her way to the airport now, as there's an earlier summer school. How quickly does she get accepted in the up? Off you go. I know. Oxford, here we go, we're off. You're leaving in two weeks to England. No, it wasn't even two weeks. She was just leaving then, I think. She's on her way in a taxi. Oh my god, she was too. She called him. She's like, Um, I'm leaving. And went over to your house, but you weren't there, so bye. And she's got, it's not because I don't love you, it's because I do. Oh sweet, ain't that sweet, but it's wrong. Bend and snap. Legally blonde. Blow it. Cut to Electro breaking into Oscor. He brutally impels a guy with electricity. Watch out. He might get charged for that. Electro caught his board member guy. Harry stroll into the office. Board member guy gets shocked by Electro. Harry tries to be witty, then starts whistling and grabs a gun. Like he's like thinking he's real badass here. I'm like, dude, it just comes across as awkward and he thinks he's so good. Yeah. I'm real badass and cold. Yeah. Now revive him. CPR. And gets Electro to revive the board member guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

Yeah. Yeah. After he shoots him through the chest with a bolt arc of lightning.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

Yeah. But hey, wake him up. Alright? Harry tells Electro that he can have access to the grid while he takes the board member guy away at gunpoint. They head to special projects. When they arrive, you can see some of the other projects, including Doc Ox Mechanical Tentacles.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

Yeah, I do like them because they're the self-aware ones too. They're sitting there like kind of following them as they go, like, where are you going?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

Harry gets board member guy to load up a syringe gum with one of the spider venom capsules. What were the wings? Uh Vulture.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Ah, it was two. Because I was thinking that isn't goblin. And then he was on that hoverboard.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

I was like, Vulture. Board member guy says how it won't work to save him as they have run all the tests and it failed every time. Board member guy injects Harry. The Venom starts to transform Harry. Harry goes a bit wewelf here, ripping away his clothes. As Harry transforms, it gets real creepy with quick flash cuts, like out of the movie that is ascent. And also the PlayStation game Until Dawn. And kind of get that because you get close-ups and you get horrible looking images. It reminds me of Until Dawn. Yeah, you do actually. His face is all Harry crawls to a metallic bodysuit. When he gets in the suit, his health goes from critical injuries to healing. The green goblin is born. But not the ha ha ha ha.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

Yeah, just the sad goblin that's got like a stretched face.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Ugh. Not good.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

Green slick back weird. Yeah, I didn't want to. It's like a troll. Yeah, literally. What bridge did you come from, Harry?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Cats of Gwen in a cab on her way to the airport. You think your mum would have wanted to see her off or something, but no, just on her own. Or her entire family. Oh, you're going to England, like probably maybe the rest of your life? Alright, catch a cab. Yeah, catch a cab. Just catch a cab. I'm busy. I've got groceries to buy. Taxi driver goes, it's Spider-Man. And he points up. Gwen then gets out of the cab. Spider Man has used Webbing in one of New York's 21 bridges. I know that thanks to the movie 21 Bridges. Rest in peace, Chavit Boseman. Yep. The webbing says, I love you. Spider then swings in and swoops up Gwen. Rest of New York must be really confused by this message. Like, what? What does that mean? Does it mean us? He loves us. He loves New York? I think he does though. He loves this bridge. This one of the 21 bridges? Spider-Man has unknowingly just sealed Gwen Stacy's fate. Oh, what a cruel world it is. Peter decides that he is going to move to England with her. Peter says how he could fight Jack the Ripper as they haven't caught him yet. What if but by he has sealed Gwen Stacy's fate is she was on the way to the airport. She would have been gone. Green Goblin wouldn't have known. But because he's a selfish prick and wants to keep leading her on. He grabbed her and then she gets involved in the last fight. Just like her dad did. You can't come here though, you can't come. And she's like, Well, I'm gonna make my own decisions, and he's like, Oh, okay. He could have rung her later on when she's in England, I'm coming over. But no, instead he's like, I'll just swoop her up and now sell her fate.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

Oh, now the bend and snap makes more sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Oh, brutal. Cut to a massive wave of electricity blasting across a power station. It's electro. He cuts the power to the city. Gwen also figures out Peter's web shooter problem. If he magnetizes them, they should hold an electrical charge. He's like, uh duh, a doy? What did I think of that?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

He should have just rubbed his arm against the carpet. Or just gone on the ground and just rubbed his body against the carpet and got that static charge. He could have just touched electro pop, turn him off, blow blow his fuse.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:58

Oops. Cut to a plane in the air. It's unable to reach tower control due to the citywide blackout. Cut the Spider-Man and Gwen approaching the police captain. They ask him for jumper cables. They successfully magnetise Spidey's web shooters. Yeah, I liked that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:12

It's like Imagine it killed him.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

End of movie. What's that smell? It smells like burning beacon. So it's just a crispy spider. Spider-Man webs up Gwen to prevent her from getting involved at the power station. Electro starts to go after Spider-Man. The shot of Spidey webbing through buildings with Electro flying through the air as an electrical stream is pretty choice. But where he's going through the buildings?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Yeah, I like that when he's flying through the face and then he goes. Yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

Cut back to the plane. They are now dealing with an electrical disturbance. Two planes are heading right for each other. Four and a half minutes until they collide. A tower control lady starts a stopwatch. She gets out of stopwatch and start the time. Everyone knows that it will be exactly that much time before it happens.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:56

100%. Because the planes are flying exactly that amount of air speed with the they know exactly how much drag's on the plane. Yeah. Everything. Because they're air flight traffic controllers.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

They know exactly cut to Spider-Man landing on a building overlooking the power station. This shot again reminds me of the Matrix Revolutions when Trinity and Neo's ship first sees the machine city. Oh yeah. The power station looks like that. Does actually the way it's all set out. Yeah. I never even thought of that. That's cool. Spider-Man tries to use some nearby water to take down Electro, but does not work as Electro is too strong now and just blocks it. Gwen gets free of the webbing and sets off. Cut back to Spidey and Electro fighting. Electro electrifies Spider-Man's web shooters again, but this time the shooters hold the charge. It's a cool scene that goes right down the web again. He's like, okay. Electro starts playing dubstep with the power pylons while also attacking Spidey. It's a song. Yeah. Because he goes, I hate this song. And I'm like, what song? I just thought it was noise and I think he's just saying that because of the joke.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

Probably, yeah. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down. It's probably the SpongeBob song when he's at the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

So yeah, he starts playing dubstep with the Power Pylons, but also attacking Spidey. Spider-Man is at Electro's mercy when suddenly Electro is taken out by an incoming NYPD police car. It's Gwen.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:18

Yeah, I love that. He's what does he say? Bet you didn't see that coming. And then Gwen just hits him with a car. And I was like, Did you see that though?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

He said, You can't be here, you can't be here. You gotta go.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Spider-Man has devised a plan to overcharge Electro. If he overpowers, he'll explode. So he gets Gwen, who now he decides he's gonna let her stay here now. Gwen runs into a nearby building and gets into position to turn the power on when Spidey says so. Then again, I guess she's her own character, she can do what she wants. She don't need no man to control her.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

And this is the only scene out of the entire movie after watching it so many times where I realised it sounds like he's talking through his mask. He's like, he's like, stop, you can't be here. And you can hear him actually like talking through a mask of some sort, and I was like, Oh, I didn't actually pick up on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

No, I didn't notice it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

So I like how they added that in. Yeah, it's kind of like muffled. Like he's got his face pushed down wearing a mask.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

That's clever. Spider-Man sees another vision of Gwen's dad before Electro attacks. Then all of a sudo comes through the dad vision. Yeah. Looks kind of cool. They're to and fro while the two planes get closer and closer to colliding. Spider-Man ties some power cables together while Electro keeps zapping. Zap, z zap, zap, zap, zap. Spidey tells Gwen to turn the power on. When she does, Electro begins to overcharge. Eventually, Electro explodes. Pretty sad ending for Max there. The power comes back up just in time for the two planes to change course and miss each other. Talk about timing. The power at the hospital also comes back up. Aunt May starts telling everyone to start moving. You're a training nurse, Aunt May. No one is going to listen to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:51

Everyone's looking at it like, what's this old lady yelling about? She's been here for a week. She's on her second double shift, she shouldn't even be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

Gwen runs out to meet Peter. Then the person on a glider comes flying in. Spider-Man starts walking towards Gwen when he starts hearing the weakest and least menacing green goblin laughter of my life. It's so sad. Yeah. It's not as good as you can't beat old Willem Defoe. Willem's that laugh is amazing. It's iconic. The heart. Yeah, the heart. Goblin Harry looks at Spider-Man, then looks at Gwen. Then he figures out that Spider-Man is his best bud, Peter Parker. See if she hadn't been there, he wouldn't have known. Literally. This is what Goblin says. You don't give people hope. You take it away. I'm going to take away yours.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

See Skeletor would have made a better noise.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:54

Mmm, Spider-Man. Goblin grabs Gwen and flies away with her as Spider-Man chases. That's quite intense, this bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:02

Like he knows how to yeah, he's just like full armored suit just there.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

It's pretty cool. The shots too are really cool. Goblin drops Gwen from a massive height, right above a clock tower. Spider-Man grabs her and uses his body as a shield as they smash through the roof glass of the clock tower and onto a metal walkway. Goblin then drops in a pumpkin bomb which blows apart the walkway, causing Gwen to start falling. Spider-Man grabs her and drops her off at a lower level. If it wasn't done right, this could have been so comical that the fact that Gwen's safe, then she's not safe, then she's safe, then she's not safe, then she's safe. It's done pretty well, actually, I must admit. Yeah. It could have so easily been comical the amount of times that he had to save her. Save, not safe, save, not safe. Goblin's like, haha, and it just keeps coming back. It's like, oh my god, just would have been a frustrating level at the end of the game. Yep. Spidey and Gobby fight while Gwen treats the clock tower like a platformer game. Jumping from clock cog to clock cog. Do you know is that she's like jumping over the cogs like as a platformer? It's like what she's playing a game now. Spider-Man gets the best of Goblin, knocking him off his glider and to a middle platform. But the glider smashes through the clock tower, causing Gwen to fall again. Spidey shoots a web at her and starts to pull her up. Goblin then jumps at Spidey, causing Gwen to slip down the web. Spider-Man's web line there gets caught in a clock cog. While he continues to fight Goblin, Spidey shoots a web that sticks Goblin's arm to another clock cog and gets webbed around Goblin's neck, so he's like strangling himself. So Goblin is choking, but is strangling Spider-Man with his other hand that he still has free and he's like got him in the throat. Full power. If you didn't know like Green Goblin was more powerful than the normal Harry, you wouldn't know in this movie because they never tell you he's more powerful. They he took the spider venom, but doesn't necessarily mean that he's gonna get powers. No. But then they never explain it. In the first Spider-Man, they do because they show you how strong he is. Yeah, 100%. All the time, but in this they just kind of assume you know. Yeah, well it's Green Goblin, he's got the power suit, so he must be strong. Peter tries to stop the cogs from turning, but eventually the web holding Gwen is cut. She starts to fall. The clock mechanics fall apart, causing goblin to get knocked out. Spider-Man starts to chase down after the falling Gwen. The shot of Gwen reflected in Spider-Man's eyepiece is great. And I believe is straight out of the comics.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

And shoots out the web of the hand. Yeah. It's like five fingers. Like he's like he's reaching out. I like that the web goes.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

So most shot of Spider-Man's web navigating through the clock pieces and through to Gwen looks really cool. Like you say, it looks like a hand coming through.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:32

Yeah. I said a very loud swear word at the end of the scene. I just wasn't expecting it. Yeah. It was too real. It took away from me the whole superhero aspect and did what they did with the new Joker movie. They made it a bit too real. Like you know, Dami Fox has schizophrenia and proper mental problems, and like, yeah, there's just so much going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

I was just like, uh, but it went from being a movie that I love to the shot of Spider-Man in the eyepiece of Gwen, to I'm pretty sure it's in the comics. Spider-Man purchased himself so he can get leverage to hold Gwen, but it's too late. Gwen's neck and spine hit the ground, snapping her violently and killing her instantly. Oh Peter, you've done it again. You've got another member of the Stacey family guild. First you kill your uncle. Yeah, and then you kill her dad.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

Now this. They told you to put Uncle Ben in the microwave for two minutes 30, you put it in for two and a half hours and you just dry.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:22

Yeah, that's it. You've murdered it. You can really feel Peter's heartbreak in the scene though. When he's like looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:28

He keeps trying to talk to her and keeps he's like, he's like, he's like, no. He's like, I caught you, I caught you, I caught you. It's like Peter, you didn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:34

You're like up, you did, but not in time. But just yeah. That's the thing. If she just hit the ground, I don't think it would have been as nasty looking. Should have webbed her by the head. Because the this is the fact that he goes to the web but just snaps her back. And so she's hanging there. I was like, oh. That was pretty brutal. Yeah. Cut to another funeral in a Spider-Man film. Aunt May is with Peter. You see a collection of shots of Peter visiting Gwen's grave on different days in different seasons. Goodbye, Gwen Stacy. So this part it never lets you know that he's quit until like the TV and stuff later on. We'll tell you he's quit. It shouldn't have been done at the end of this because it's just rushed. Cut to the Ravencroft Institute, where a man in a hat and jacket visits Harry. Apparently, Spider-Man has vanished. Harry is forming a team, a small team, a sinister team. And everything they need is at Elscorp. The man in the hat is called Gustav Fears. He's otherwise known as the gentleman in the comics. Oh, he is too. Didn't even realize the man in the hat. Didn't even pick up on that. Fears enters the special projects department. You see Dark Ox tentacles again and Vulture's wings. And a big mechanical rhino suit. Cut to that little nerdy kid from before who Spidey's saved from the bullies, watching TV. Alexi Siv Siversitch? Sivestich. Sistfitch. The Rhino has escaped from prison. TV also says that Spider-Man disappeared five months ago. But you never feel it. Like in Spider-Man 2, they gave you time to actually realize he's been gone. But this one doesn't do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:09

People feeling sad, being like, oh, he's actually gone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:11

Cuts of Peter and Aunt May watching news reports. Aunt May says it's too bad about that Spidey guy. Aunt May is boxing up some of Ben's stuff. She uses it as a way of saying, stop crying about Gwen, start living your life.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:24

And she's only just boxing up Ben's stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

After three or four years. Peter watches Gwen's graduation speech, which gets Peter to start living again. Peter also packs away his parents' things and opens up the closet where he sees his Spidey mask. Cut to downtown, that big mechanical rhino is causing destruction. Kinda reminds me of Ed 209 from Robocop. Oh my god, basically is. Picks up people just ripping them in half. Alexi is in the Rhino suit. Nerdy kid in a Spider-Man costume crawls under the barricade and confronts the Rhino. His mother's like, oh my god, oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god! And the only reason he's doing this is because you use Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:05

You shouldn't have showed him how to make a fan. Kids don't try this at home. Because kids are sponges, Spider-Man. They absorb what you give them. Oh, here you go. If you wear a suit, you're invincible.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:13

That's the sort of kid that got Power Rangers banned in the 90s. As the Rhino approaches Spider Kid, Spider-Man decides to show back up. That's barely Rhino. It's so bad. It's so crap, in it. The Spider-Man leaving, then returning in this film was weak. You don't get any time to really miss Spider-Man. Should have ended the movie with Peter giving up being Spider-Man and that's it. Then returning in a possible sequel. Raimi's Spider-Man 2 did this a lot better. Spider-Man and Rhino start to fight, then it rolls to credits. End of movie. So that is the uh end of Spider-Man, Matt. End of Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Rise of Electro. And the Rhino at the end literally killed the entire movie for me. I think it's not a great way to end it. So, Matt, let's go to our ratings. Ah, nobody does it, Bannett. Right, so let's go to our ratings for Amazing Spider-Man 2, Rise of Electro. For how entertaining is the film, Matt? What have you given it?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:08

Four.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:09

Four?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

You were entertained. Yeah, I was entertained, that's probably about it. But it was an entertaining movie. There was still enough in it to keep me watching it and keep me going, oh yeah, cool. Rather than going, oh, they've lost this.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

Yeah, I've given it a three. It can have some really good moments. I think it's quite entertaining. There are a lot of stuff in this, but overall it's not a great movie, but I think there's elements that kind of keep it entertaining, so I've given it a three. So how intentional is the quality? I've given it a three, because I think you know it's intentionally supposed to be the kind of style it is. It's not amazing at the style, but it's even though it's amazing, Spider-Man. Um but I think it's good enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:45

Yeah, I gave it a three as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

Three as well? How much does it affect the franchise? What have you given it, sir?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

Two.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Give it two? Rhino, no. Goblin, no. Just no. I've given it a one because it killed the franchise. There's no movies after this because the end of that movie, that rh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:05

There's no movies after it, so I it it ended the franchise, so I'll give it a one. The PlayStation 1 Rhino looks better than that Rhino. And he was squeezed. It was just squares.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:16

He used to talk like Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

He's in the uh PS4 Spider-Man as well, which came out. It's so good. And the Rhino is much better than that. Quality of casting, I have given it a two out of five. I think Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, and people who came back from last time are not bad, are pretty good. I think Andrew Garfield is actually a pretty good Spider-Man. And Emma Stone was good as Gwen Stacy, but Goblin, no. I thought Jeremy Fox Electro just wasn't great. Like I think it was more to direction rather than him, but it's still not great. And yeah, just everyone else in this movie that was cast for this film, I was like, meh, pretty average. What have you given it, sir? Three. Given it a three?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:57

A three.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

And would you watch it again? What have you given it, sir? Two. Two? Just wasn't enough for you to really crank it out again?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

I can watch the Toby Maguire first one over and over and over and over and over and still find bits that I like. But this kind of just uh more so just annoys me. It just annoys me.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:17

Fair enough. I've given it a three out of five. I think it's a movie that I if someone had it on TV or something like that you want to watch Mason Spider-Man? I'm like, yeah, I can watch that. But it's not one I'd go out of my way to watch. Like the Raimi ones I would actually like say, yes, I could watch that at the end of the week, I don't care. Even Spider-Man 3. But this one I'm like, I could watch it if it's on, but that's about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:36

Yeah. Yeah, like I wouldn't bother going and getting a 4K ultra Blu-ray version of this movie because it already looks good enough anyway. Yeah. So there's no real there's not much you could do more animation-wise. You can't make the story any better.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

No. Right, so let's go over what we've rated it. So for how entertaining the film is, you gave it a four, I gave it a three. For how intentional the quality is, I gave it a three, and you gave it a three. For how much it affects the franchise, you gave it a two, and I gave it a one. For quality of casting, I gave it a two, and you gave it a three. And would you watch it again, you gave it a two, and I gave it a three. So I got twelve out of possible twenty-five stars. Fourteen. Out of a possible twenty-five stars. It gives us a grand total of twenty-six out of fifty, which is uh yeah, it's not great. It's not a not a great one. Just above half. It's like the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes. As we go to the board, we've got Mortal Kombat Annihilation got 15 and a half stars out of 50, so that's still the worst film so far. And then we've got X-Men Origins Wolverine, which got 27 out of 50 stars. This film has 26, so it actually goes ahead of X-Men Origins Wolverine. It's now in second place behind Mortal Kombat Annihilation. It also goes into the not half bad rating. If you got 10 points in this, like a grand total of everyone giving it one star, it is called truly worst of the worst. If you gave it a thing between 11 and 20, it is one of the bad ones. If you get points between 21 and 30, it's not half bad. And 31 to 39 is an unappreciated gem. If you give it 40 to 50 stars, so like an imperfect score, then it doesn't belong on this list and it goes into the MRU list instead. Because there's some movies that we're going to cover, like Bad Boys 2, which is the worst rated in the series. One of my favourite films. Yeah, I love that man. One of my favourite films. We're going to cover that. So Worst of the Worst isn't just about being negative about films, it's actually a way of saying you think this movie's terrible, but if you compare it to other movies, it's actually not that bad. It's just because it's the worst of that series, you're like, ugh, it's just nothing redeemable about it. If I watched Mortal Kombat Annihilation, then I watched Amazing Spider-Man 2. I'm like, Jesus, Amazing Spider-Man 2 was so much better than Mortal Kombat. But at the moment, it's second place now and 26 points. Yeah, so 26 out of 50 stars. Yeah, it's not half bad, but it's not half good over, is it? It's no Batman and Robin. It got 32 Batman and Robin, so quite a bit higher. Right, now that we've rated the Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rise of Electro, let's talk about how this film could have been better. So my first point for how it could have been better, less villains. Raimi Spider-Man 3 made the same mistake, but this film came out after it, so there's no excuse. Having Electro and Goblin and Rhino while also trying to set up a future Sinister Six film was just way too much. What they should have done for me is they could have had a Spider-Man facing Electro, have Electro's whole main story. That's exactly what I wanted. Yeah. Have Harry show up. You know, he can actually be with Norman for maybe the rest of the movie or maybe half the movie before he dies. Have his relationship built up with Peter, bring in inserts like for when they're kids talking about how they knew each other, but have a relationship built in his movie, how much like each other. Don't have Gwen Stacey die at the end of this. Have it that um he does want to give up being Spider-Man, so he gives it up at the end of the movie. Then in a future sequel, have Harry and Peter's relationship sour. Yeah, and Harry can find out that he's Spider-Man, or he was Spider-Man. Maybe Peter can confide in him, say I was Spider-Man before the thing went sour.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

And he's thinking this whole time you lied to me, you could have saved me.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:21

And then they could have the only way that he can knows that he'll come back as Spider-Man is is if he kidnaps Gwen. And you could have the death scene of Gwen. And that's what keeps him at what he is. Maybe even Peter isn't in Spider-Man yet. He just Peter Parker, but he's uh webbing up in the air and stuff, and he actually tries to save her but couldn't because he wasn't in the Superman gear uh in the Superman. He wasn't in his Spider-Man gear. So then he goes after Goblin and realizes And that's what made him make the new suit. Have him like come back as Spider-Man to take on almost a vengeance thing against against Harry, but then Harry could make something where he couldn't try to destroy half New York. Spider-Man stops that and he realizes that New York needs Spider-Man. That's where you could have done. Less villains. There would have been two movies, but I don't know, that's just my my point. But my first one is less villains. Have you got anything so?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:09

Yeah, no, you've basically banged that on the head. I would have liked the rise of electro to just be the main focal point of the movie the whole way through from the start, him being kind of the nerdy thing where he meets him as Max, and then maybe halfway through the movie he gets starts getting treated a bit more like dirt, so we can see that. We can see him kind of getting treated like crap by the suits, and then you know, progress through it, and then Yeah, why didn't you do that?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:32

Come on, guys. Uh, my next point for how it could be better, I've only got two points anyway, is a different actor for Harry slash goblin. Dane De Hahn just wasn't good enough in Amazing Spider-Man 2. I'd I've seen him in other movies too, and he's pretty much the same. He's just that monotoned, stilted actor that can't show emotion.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:52

That's why he was good in Chronicle, because he was like already dead inside, so it was easy to be emotionless.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:57

Cure for Wildness was an okay film, but I didn't think he was great. Yeah, he just wasn't goblin. If you're gonna get someone for Goblin, they have to be emotional. Yeah, and he just showed no emotion. And even when he was like running around like smiling like a creep as goblin, it just didn't feel right. It just seemed like he was on drugs. Yeah. Like he was just a you look at Willem Defoe, you see that scene where he like is in the elevator when he's going to Thanksgiving. His face is just like just looks so demonic. It's him without any makeup or anything on. That's how good he is as goblin. He can be goblin without all the makeup. Because he can do, I don't know how he does it, but he makes his face all yeah, just comic book twisted almost. But yeah, different actor. That's a bit all I've got anyway for how it could be better. I'm not sure if you've got anything else to add, sir. That's about it, really. There are some good bits, and then I'll put it here. Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rise of Electro is an average film, maybe below average, that I could believe could have been much better. I thought Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, and Sully Field were as good as the material allowed. And there were some really cool scenes and shots, like the Times Square encounter and the Aunt May slash Peter scene about his parents. But there were also some bad scenes like the Alexi tied up with boxer shorts, Goblin at the end. I hope Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield joined Tom Holland in Spider-Man No Way Home so we can see Garfield Spider-Man in a much better film. Garfield, there are some people who are fans of the Garfield over Maguire, which is fine. I always want to see Garfield in a better film. Yeah, if if they gave him his time on set. Yeah, Raimi's like Spider-Man 2 gave Toby Maguire the film that made him look really, really good. Spider-Man 1 was good, Spider-Man 3 has its issues, but it's still not bad. It's still a good time. But Spider-Man 2 is still one of my favourite superhero films. Give Garfield that opportunity. Yeah. Have you got anything else to say about amazing Spider-Man 2, sir?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

The whole movie's so up and down, I'm sitting there going, it does seem like everything's on an accelerator.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

Once you start, it doesn't really slow down any moments. Maybe the bits where he's looking at his dad's research is the only time it really ever slows down. If you like what you hear and would like to see Use your thoughts, why not contact us? You can by visiting us at nobody does it Bennett's Facebook page or by hitting us up on the Twitter at nobodydi Bennett. You can also email us at nobody does it Bennett at Outlook.com. That's Bennett with two N's and two T's. Nobody Does It Bennett is available on Spotify, Google Podcasts, and other podcast networks. I also host another show for JB Hi-Fi called JB's Real Cut. If you want to round up on some of the recent releases at JB Hi-Fi, why not listen to JB's Real Cut? Thank you, Matt, for joining me for this episode. No problem. Happy to be here. Fun going through films, even if they're not the greatest. Yep. And thank you for listening. Remember, some others may do it better, but nobody does it, Bennett. Until next time.

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