6 O'FIVERS WAKE UP !!! IT'S MONDAY 8/17/26

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Oh just a little quick little musical stab. Yes. Okay. Quick little musical stabs, and I refuse to use a eye.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Did you um did you like my idea? Is it fleshing out? Which one? Like are you getting excited about? Which one which what was your idea again? Using the song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Yeah. Yeah. I I I mean, that is a good hook, then, and you know. Yeah. And then incorporate the your favorite part, the chugging. But you know, I just want to have a different approach to it, different tempos, because certain things are certain things, and I don't want it to be the same all the time. Yeah. So I'm going to put it on this big giant, we call it a cart. What does that mean? Think of a shopping cart. You got a million different things in the shopping cart. That's what we have. It's an audio cart, and every time it goes to select that cart, a different thing will pop up.

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I love it.

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So anyway, yeah, I'm working on it.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were going to embrace that. Yeah.

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Well, now that I I did use AI in one instance, and it wasn't to recreate anything, because I wrote the song and I have I don't have the original master tapes. I have the master remi or mix down tape, but I don't have the masters anymore. They're probably destroyed. The tracks. Yeah, the tracks, the individual tracks. So I had AI remove the vocals, and it gave me a great starting point, and it sounds pretty good. There's a couple little weird things, but I can play along with it to fill the gaps.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah.

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So it'll be the original drums, bass, guitars, all that. And then from there, I I work outwards. If you know what I mean. Yeah. So that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

I love it. I can't wait to when you're gonna unveil it in January.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Uh that's my Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

That's your goal?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I think so. All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Um, you know, Nick, I don't know if you've been following that I've been loosely following that case, that Lindsay Cl Clancy case of the mother who strangled her three babies and then jumped out the window and got paralyzed.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

I heard about it a little bit, but I didn't read enough. So enlighten me.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

The part that's really getting me is it's really hard to forgive someone for doing these things that are just absolutely horrific and you can't even imagine. Um but what I'm realizing that this trial is about is something so much more, and it's really about what's wrong with this country when it comes to mental health and why are we having all these mental health issues? Why is this happening? And um you know, we had heard about Susan Smith. She's a South Carolina girl, right? Um, she, you know, rolled her car into the lake and drowned her babies and uh then tried to blame it on a black man. Um and it was just um horrible and she's serving time in jail, so we never heard of postpartum psychosis back then. So there's postpartum depression and then there's a psychosis. And what we're learning is is that this uh does that have something to do with it? What about that woman, Yates, right? Who who drowned all her kids, uh, five kids or something like, you know, what about the father that annihilates his whole entire family? Is that post you know, partum psychosis also? Why do people kill their children? I don't know. Why do they abuse them and lock them up in cages and feed them nothing and have sixteen of them like feral animals in in crates? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah, but she eats an excuse effectively because they let her off. That's not to say that that doesn't exist, that condition. I know it doesn't. Who let who let who off? She had a retrial. Oh, Andrea Yates. Okay, yeah. Yeah, she was found not guilty by it.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

That story haunted me so badly. I was having kids at that point, like I had babies, and I was just horrified. And I I became I read I the problem with me was I read that entire story and followed that trial and was just horrified as to what those children went through. I just couldn't shake it out of my head for like a long time. Um are we gonna blame all of that on a psychosis? Okay, so they're saying that she was given this drug, 15 different drugs from 10 different doctors, and nobody ever pulled her drugs, and she was going everywhere and and she's saying, Hey, I, you know, I want to kill my children, and I don't I don't understand. I don't understand. How did this happen? How does someone say horrible things that they're going to do to themselves and their child, but they're they're let out without any help or confirmation that they're not acting right. Okay, like like say, okay, you're good now, you can go home. Like w what do you determine that to be? When do you determine that to be? So I know many of us can say, hey, there's no drug in the world that would make it right for me to kill my children. I mean, I sh was she homicidal, suicidal? You know, you can relate this to any homicidal, suicidal person you can think of.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Everybody's temporarily nuts when they do it, so what are we doing? Removing personal responsibility.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Exactly. This is my point because we see this, so we're giving young mothers an out, and yes, granted, I I haven't been on psychotic drugs or anti-psychotic psychic drugs. I I haven't gone through a postpartum psych psychotic episode. I don't understand here. Are people just homicidal and suicidal maniacs?

SPEAKER_02 6:05

My wife would tell you, being a nurse in labor and delivery for almost 20 years, it is real, but to that extent, I mean, she's never physically seen it. It's only one nurse. That's why they call it psychosis. It's only one nurse. So, you know, I'm not saying that her observations are the end all. She has seen it where it manifests almost rather quickly sometimes, even in the hospital back when they would let, you know, I mean, before they would like squeeze out the kids and boom, send them home seemingly 48 hours later. You know, there was a little bit of a watch and you know, a hold type thing. I think it was like three days, and then the moms could get ready to go. And they would have that. My my wife would have that discussion. Are you feeling this? Are you doing you know? And and she said you could see it manifest itself kind of early. They they just don't know what to do with themselves. They're so used to being pregnant and that child inside them. And it just kind of not to the point where she ever saw that like there was anything that was gonna snap.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

But this is the question that's a real thing, is my point. Is it is it mental or is it hormonal that if impacts the way you think? She would tell you both. So the shift there is so huge. So why do some bodies handle this the shift and others don't? And what can we do to get ahead of this shift? Uh I'll never forget the battle that Brooke Shields had with Tom Cruise. And she was talking about postpartum depression and this is many years ago.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

The Scientologist approach, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

And he's and he was talking about basically how there's no reason for you to be depressed. Like you have to get yourself out of it. There's a physical thing that you have to do. Like if you realize that there are things that you can do, and he was like, There's no such thing as postpartum depression. So again, they make a, you know, they give it a name and they give it a disease, you know, you have post-traumatic stress syndrome, and that could be from any, you don't have to be a veteran that saw combat and death and destruction and fear. Um, you could really be anybody who's gone through anything so traum traumatizing that you are impacted. Um, and the other thing is that people say, well, postpartum depression, I mean, uh post-traumatic stress syndrome is is not a permanent like brain defect. Like, stop labeling people this and then it sticks with them forever. Like you don't have to always have post-traumatic stress where you you can't function. Well, that brings me to the new uh story that came out today, which is horrifically sad. Um and it all roads are pointing to some sort of suicide um of a famous actress who was only Oh yeah, who was only like thirty. Thirty-six, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Yeah, thirty-six the TV show uh Nashville, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

And well, yeah, she's been in a lot of things, and a lot of young people that are her age know her really, really well. Um, so let me play for you this um soundbite about what happened, and it happened right here in good old South Carolina, unfortunately. The clock. We want to get to that breaking news happening in Greenville.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Police investigating the death of actress Hayden Penetiere in an apartment complex near downtown. This is a live look now where the discovery was made. The Judson Mill apartments on Easley Bridge Road. Police and emergency crews responded to a report of an unresponsive woman just before 2 p.m. Sunday. When they got there, medical assistance was provided to that woman who has been identified as Penettier, but she died there at the scene. In a statement to CNN, her father, Skip Penitier, called her an incredible light and a force of nature who brought joy to those who knew and watched her. We do not know exactly what led to her death at this time. Penettier was best known for playing Claire Bennett and Heroes and country star Juliet Barnes in Nashville. Her film credits also included Remember the Titans, Scream 4, and Scream 6. Officers say someone who knew the actress made the 911 call. The case is under investigation right now by police and the Greenville County Coroner's office. A news conference is set for later this morning. Box Carolina will be live bringing you updates all throughout the morning.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

So my question is, what is she doing in this apartment complex in the middle of Greenville?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

I can't imagine she lives there, but maybe.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Yeah. So I don't know enough about her.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

I'm not I'm out of the Target demo.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Right. I don't know much about her either. Uh, but I do know that she had a horrible thing happen to her while she was a child star. Oh. And uh we can talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

You know, I want to share something. I'm not gonna I'm gonna leave the person's name out. Uh this person says this is interesting. This is gonna kinda freak you out a little bit. It did me when I read it. Uh, longtime listener, many time text her says, This is nothing new. History shows it goes back thousands of years. As a matter of fact, my grandmother hung herself in her barn after the birth of her last two babies 99 years ago. She had five children under the age of five. She had twins and then hung herself.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Wow, is right. And I'm sorry to our dear texter, but that is horrific. It's horrific. I can't I can't put my head around it.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

Well, the thing is, is like people say it does exist, and you're like, how could you be upset when you know you've just had a baby, this should be the happiest time. And for me, it was. For me, it was like a a spiritual awakening. I don't know. That's how I felt.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

I was like in church every day after I gave birth because I was so overwhelmed with many of these things are real, but they've been co-opted by defense attorneys uh everywhere. And you know, the Twinkie defense.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

She was failed, though.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

She was if you listen to what happens like particularly this case.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

I'm just saying, in general, I think both things are true.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Right. It is a real thing, but it's also being used and abused by, you know, folks in, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

I mean apparently you're supposed to treat postpartum psychosis differently than postpartum depression.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah. Yeah. You know? Obviously that's refer her patients to, you know, a doctor for that.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Well, what's going on with all the other people that annihilate their families? I why do why do these people get a reason?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

That's my point.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Some people are just evil. Some people are selfish, some people are that narcissistic, that self, you know, the family annihilators. The whole reasoning behind that is they they kill their family because they're putting them out of their misery because it's not good enough here on.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

She said she was hearing voices she had to save her babies. That was the only way to save them.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

And I'm not saying her, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Yeah, but men do it too. That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

But what is men are usually the f family annihilators. Well, and that that to me is just evil. I and to just say, well, you had a mental break. You did you won't do that again.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Yeah, I mean, usually they off themselves as well.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Family annihilators are so narcissistic they don't. They move on to another life. Family.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Or family and the look at the guy with the kids, you know, with the barrels. And I mean, it happened, but that's my question. So is it postpartum or is it just psychosis? That that's my question. How do you know when someone is borderline thinking of killing you just because you're in the family? You know? Um, and I I don't know, like, you know, we hear about domestic violence. We hear about d like FaceTiming their ex and doing it right after court dates. That's just horrible. I mean, uh custody battles. We we hear about it all the time. So what's their excuse?

SPEAKER_02 14:32

They're just doing the human thing wrong.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

It makes you feel like you shouldn't have a kid. Because like, how do you know? How do you know if this is going to happen to you or not? It it's kind of like a disservice to society if we're not, if we're gonna look at this person, what makes someone we had like, I don't know, three mass shootings this weekend?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Yeah, we did, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

In schools or something. And it's like, what makes people do that? Do they have postpartum psychosis? I'm not saying it's not a thing, but if we keep putting labels on things, we're we're not we're like going down different rabbit holes and we're not getting the truth as to why are people killing their children. I don't understand it. And then killing other people's children. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

One more, just because I I find it interesting when people share this and you don't realize it that so many people have gone through this in their family, whether first, second, third hand type thing. But my mom, we're going back 68 years ago, I'm gonna leave names out. Uh her maid of honor, best friend, had three children. She drowned in a tub. They committed her to a psych hospital. She passed away uh quite a few years ago, but you just don't know. They said they never saw it in this person. They never saw it, had three kids and decided at that moment after the third child, done.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

I don't either.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

And I do feel like psychosis or is that postpartum depression?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

I feel that there's something that happens, like you said, you nailed it. And I believe that there's enough studies out there to show that there's a weird hormonal thing that can trigger something in the brain. As much as these medical people tell us, I know everything, I am science, they don't know how to turn it.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

So it's a hormonal imbalance.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

No, I think it triggers something in the brain. Possibly it starts that way, and then there's something where the brain either snaps and can't recover from it. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but I know it's a real thing. I'm putting aside these legal defenses being used for the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

But what I'm saying is it only for women that this happens to? Like, what about the men that it happens to? Is it hormonal?

SPEAKER_02 16:35

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Okay, that's what I'm saying. So it doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

It does, but because our physiology is so different.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

I don't get it. I I listen, I don't get it. Someone needs to explain this to me because we don't look into the mental health uh system when men annihilate their families. We don't look into it. Or a son annihilates his family. We don't look into it.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

No, and you have to put aside the legal defense because that's used again, it goes back to the Twinkie defense. You remember? The Twinkie maybe do it. It's a real thing. The sugar imbalance and the chemicals, and you know, there may be even some truth to that, but if you need enough Twinkies, I guess it could be some kind of chemical. But yeah, I think all the chemicals we ingest, somebody said it. Mike the AR guy, he said it. He goes, it's all the dang food we eat. Yeah, well, I think that is a big part of it because it affects us physically and emotionally, mentally, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

If women are mothers are allowed to get a pass on this, why aren't men getting a pass on this?

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Well, here's the thing, though. I don't think they should get a pass.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

No, but they are. Nobody's doing this when there's a man on trial for killing his whole family. It's because, you know, it's the whole story of man bites dog. You can't imagine a woman who's a mother doing this. It's like what? Nobody can understand it, especially people who've had kids.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

They're like and that is so shocking that people don't want to believe it. And that's they use that to their advantage. It becomes news. The legal defense to their advantage. It's like you can't imagine what this woman was going through.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

Now I feel bad. Didn't we have a local case like this? A teacher? And the two kids.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Wait a minute, we did.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Wasn't that supposed to hear this poor woman?

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Yeah. Again. But there was something else going on there too, wasn't there? I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I think that what everybody covered up for her. That was a case that was like, I think whatever happened happens in these cases that it's with the women. I I can't explain it with the men, other than that they're so narcissistic. And I'm listening I've seen people who I thought were completely normal and they go into a fit of rage, thinking, just thinking, thinking that their woman might be talking to another man. And let me tell you, I look at that person and go, Whoa, totally different point of view on that person now, and I try to separate myself from her.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

A Carolina Forrest elementary school teacher killed herself after killing her two kids. They were all three were found shot dead in her home. Nobody ever talks about it. What happened? This was in 2022, four years ago. Everybody was saying, she was such a great person, the best mother on earth. I bla blah blah d-da-da.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

What happened to the case? Anything?

SPEAKER_03 19:30

She's dead. She killed herself.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

No, no, no, I know that. But what happened afterwards? Did we figure out anything? Or is it nothing? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

I I oh, like, did we hear that she had postpartum psychosis?

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Something. I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

But she was in a custody battle with her husband.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

So does that make it a postpartum psychosis?

SPEAKER_02 19:52

No. No, it doesn't. Okay, let's boil it down to something really simple. You and I are very emotional people. We can be. That's obvious. But you know what we don't do? We don't have a problem with conflict resolution. You and I would not go off half-cocked and kill somebody because we disagreed with them, basically, which is what it is. That's what it is. They completely disagree with whatever that person is doing, saying, or whatever. They can't handle it. So what do they do? They go into a fit of rage and they kill somebody. Now, legal defense people will say, Well, that's just a temporary incident. No, it's not. You have you don't have the ability to control your emotions. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

You and I wouldn't do that. We would like, oh, I'm boiling mad. I'm walking away before I say something I don't mean. But we would never think to ourselves, I need to kill that person for suing that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

These people don't have that filter for whatever reason. Upbringing, I don't know. Family history, maybe. But the world, especially here, we've become such a society that's like, well, it can't be your fault alone. Personal responsibility. Gone.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

Did anybody talk about this person struggling with postpartum? I mean, the kids were young. With postpartum. This actress? No. Oh. No. About this woman, this teacher. Oh. Whatever happened with that. She was the most wonderful teacher. She was all around all your kids. Like, why did we treat her with kid gloves? I don't understand. But like a man goes and kills his whole family during custody battle, and what he's like the devil incarnate.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Well, you also have to realize there's social stereotypes involved. The man is supposed to be the protector, the provider.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

I'm just saying, overall, so they had it as a poor woman.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

For him to turn on his family is like way more like the woman thing? Want to accept the fact that some women just have that. Whatever a moment of evilness in their heart.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

I guess people in general. People in general. I mean, obviously, if you're gonna kill your whole family, there's something wrong with you.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

I mean something wrong with all of them. But is it the same thing that's wrong with them? Are we gonna blame having children on being homicidal, suicidal? Because obviously obviously this woman, she she wasn't very good at killing herself. She she paralyzed herself and she'll be in jail for the rest of her life. But this woman would, you know, she just shot everybody. Simple. Things like this, they roll around in my brain, and I don't understand why there's a gender gap here.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Well, I told you it's the social stereotypes. That's why. If you really I mean, don't overthink it.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Do they have a hormonal imbalance, the men who annihilate their families?

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

You don't think so? No, I don't think so. But you think women do.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Uh it's been proven that there is a hormonal imbalance.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

Did anybody ever look into men beyond their control? Roid rage, t testosterone off.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Okay, now you're introducing foreign substances. Yes, of course, roid rage is a real thing. Any alcohol abuse, any of that, that's what happened to this woman?

SPEAKER_03 23:18

She she begged them to take her child away because she was afraid that Hayden Penitent.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Okay, then that probably is.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

And people say called her a bad mother.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Well, that's horrible. Then the obvious signs were missed. Those the system failed those children. If she was trying if she was truly trying hard to say, I got something bad feelings here, some bad thoughts here.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

The woman on trial now?

SPEAKER_02 23:40

The one that you're talking about. You said it was missed. You said it was ignored. They ignored her. They called her what? The woman who was the court case.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Okay. Hayden Panateer begged them to take her child away, and she they did. She had she was had this child with a man from Ukraine.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

And I don't know if they were married, but she begged them, begged, please keep her. I can't handle it. I'm in a mental health crisis. I'm a I'm an addict. I can't handle it. Please take her. And they took her. And everyone called Hayden Panateri selfish because she wanted to pursue her career and she didn't want to have this baby, bad mom, all this stuff. And now look, she killed herself. Now, if she didn't if they did not take this child from her, what would happen?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Well, we don't know. So thankfully the child is okay, hopefully.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Okay. But for Lindsay Clancy, who's at the emergency room begging them, you know, lock me up, give me something, make it stop. I want to kill them. Why are you letting her out amongst the children? What does the husband know?

SPEAKER_02 24:53

No, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Why are you leaving her alone? You don't you know how how horrified he must have felt?

SPEAKER_02 24:58

That's where I'm telling you where the system failed. Not Hayden, this other one, the court case, like you said. The system failed. If she was throwing off all the even my wife knows those warning signs, you would immediately get somebody in.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

But And yes, then child protection services get called. All of it.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Why does the family annihilator come in and and uh, you know, go in there and they want to kill everybody, you know, the wife and the kids.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Ego narcissistic thing. The family annihilators But not for a woman. No, because that's a different motivation. I feel I'm not claiming to know all of all this, but from what I have gathered and what I have found and read myself, that it's two different situations. It's the male ego. And yes, there are social constructs put on the stereotype of a male, the protector, the provider, all of that. And should be. I have no problem with that. So now he has decided that he's done with that life because he doesn't like it anymore. And somehow he justifies in his brain, well, I'll just put them out of their misery and I'll move on.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Which generally is what happens. Okay, that's just an SOB. That's not a hormonal thing. Maybe there's some extenuating circumstances depending on the I don't know, chemicals he's introducing into his lifestyle. Sure, okay, but I I think it was always there. I think he's just a jerk. Yeah, he belongs in jail. I don't care if it's a momentary no, it's not a momentary thing. These family annihilators generally plan it out. And justify it.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

You know what's funny about this conversation? You're more angry at the men who annihilate their families, and I'm more angry at the women that annihilate their families because we know what it's like to be a mother, and you know what it's like to be a father, and you can never put yourself in there.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Okay. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

And what my question is, is why do women get a pass and a reason and an excuse, and men are just narcissistic jerks.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

But I think you missed the point of what I said. I do believe it's real to a certain point, overused by the legal teams, so we'll leave that out. But that doesn't remove personal responsibility. It's really sad that if you got a woman crying at the top of her lungs saying, take them from me, I want to kill them, she has come out and admitted she's got a problem. She needs to be locked away. We have any institutions left, I don't know. And the children need to be put in some sort of situation that's going to protect them. So I feel the system did fail. The kids in that case.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

So it's not what am I saying? It's not that I'm giving them an excuse. They're there's something wrong. Evil, mental issues, whatever the case may be. They don't get a pass from me. But I think I understand it because the root of here we go with the root, the root of why not all, but some experience this definitely is a physiological response to whatever is going on. Or I I let me rephrase an emotional or mental response to what's going on with them physically. Hormones, the separation of the child from the body, that's a real, real thing. Does that mean they get off scot-free and they just go have more babies? No. Not getting a pass from me, but I understand a little more, a little more.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Did she have this pro I you don't know the answer, but did she have this postpartum issue after the fur first two pregnancies? Or only after the last one?

SPEAKER_02 28:32

It can come on from different different pregnancies.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

I don't know what Lindsay Clancy's story is.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Yeah, I don't either, but it can. You can be totally fine with one and the second one comes out and you just want to kill everything. Because something snaps. From what I understand, from what I've read. But again, who are we trusting? There is so little known. Well, there's so little known about the human brain. And going back to ego, that would be those therapists and all these people that claim they know everything because it's science. We don't know. Jack.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

What about the men that take everybody because they don't want to leave anybody al like without somebody? Like they they are the ones that are saying this world is gonna be too I'm gonna save them by killing them also.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

That's the family annihilator. That's part of that profile. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

I mean, he's not killing the kids because of anything, but but but the the mental part of it is I don't want to leave these kids alone with because you there are many murder suicides where the kids are like calling the police saying, Hey, my mom and dad, you know? That happens. I know. Because they leave they do leave the kids behind defend for themselves.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Apparently, did you guys read the amount of different drugs she was on at the time?

SPEAKER_03 29:55

Yeah, that's what I said. They were all giving her drugs and and it and the the question is, is like you you're you're all she's going to see all these doctors because she's not getting any relief and nobody is looking at who what she's taking, and they're giving more. You know, she was taking like 15 different drugs.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

See, and that's not good either. What does that do? What does that do? Exacerbate the problem? It certainly didn't help it, did it?

SPEAKER_03 30:20

No. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

I go back to what do these therapists and what do these psychoanalysts really truly know about the brain.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

And these drugs are well serious.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

And many times these mental conditions are classified as something. Why? So on the DSM, why? So it can be a real thing and then they can what? Prescribe drugs, which is what? Profit.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

But the thing is not saying that they don't work at times, but the thing is, I don't know if they're really working. I mean, these drugs are like what killed these kids? The drugs? Or the she the reason why she was on the drugs is because she was exhibiting these thoughts. So what you know, if she was exhibiting those thoughts prior to the drugs, did the drugs make her do it? Why was she put on those drugs? Because she was having those thoughts. So I can't say it was the drugs.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

No, they may have exacerbated it, amplified it, had the reverse effect. We don't know. They don't know.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

My point is that that trial has put the mental health um community on trial.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Well, like someone said, I'm pretty sure she had mental issues way before she got pregnant. Probably.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Well, that's the thing. I wonder that.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Yeah, uh, we don't know.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

All right, we gotta go. Holy smokes, we're late.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

This is the Liz Callaway Show with Nick Summers. Back in a bit.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

We'll just combine two breaks.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Really? That's like 567 different things we gotta do.

unknown 31:57

Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Monday.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

All right, go. Let's talk about something fun. Things like that really just really I can tell. Yeah. Circle K. I want to tell you about Circle K because that's a happy thing to talk about. And Circle K, um, you can win a $100 gas card every Friday morning, but guess what? That's coming to an end. And we're gonna draw the last one at the Veterans Cafe and Museum when we broadcast live on the 28th. So you have two more Fridays. You gotta go twice a day, every day to any Circle K. Go inside, go and um, this is uh in Georgetown and Ori County, scan the QR code, enter to win twice a day, every day. But here's the thing: do it as often as possible because the more you visit, the better your chances.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

That's right. And coming up very soon, because it isn't gonna be ending in just a couple of weeks. So another couple of Fridays of these $100 Circle Click gas cards to be awarded left. Because coming up on the 31st, the last day you can register, we're gonna take all those entries in, and then we will announce live on the air on September 2nd the grand prize winner, which is gas for a year. Make sure you check out all the locations near you. Maybe you can even plan it, like uh stop at one here and then the way home from work, go that way and get another one. All the locations are on circle K.com. Also, download the Circle K app and join the Inner Circle Rewards to save even more. Liz and I have done that, and we get all kinds of advanced warnings on a bunch of good stuff, like 40 cents off gas, which they do quite often, a few times a month. So check it out and keep listening and keep entering. It's your chance to win the uh Grand Strand Gas giveaway with Circle K and Us. Some kids are going back to school. My daughter is one of them. Some of the uh charter schools are back. Ori County starts on Wednesday officially, so this is the school I always wanted to go to when I was a kid. You heard this school?

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

The rock, rock, rock and roll high school.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

All right. Um, you know what? Uh coming up at 7.35, Revive the Hive will be joining us. It's hive time.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Yay!

SPEAKER_03 34:24

And if you have any questions about renovations or anything like that or ideas, they're gonna be able to help you. But um, we're gonna focus on fireplaces. Ooh. Yeah, so like the the new house we have does not have a fireplace, and we love the fireplace. You love your fireplace.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

We do, we use it a lot, and by the way, we use it so much that it cuts down on our energy bills. My wife has run the math. Propane. Do you have natural gas? We have uh propane.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Propane.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

So they do uh gas, either propane or natural, or electric, which is um, you know, but um I you know uh Javi is like, what are we gonna do without a fireplace? And our neighbor is putting one actually uh outside. So I wonder if they do that. I'm gonna ask that question. I kind of like the concept of an outdoor um fireplace in like, you know, your room that you're gonna be hanging out in. Anyway, um, so that's gonna be coming up at 7.35. If you have questions in particular about fireplaces, that will be the um the place to talk about it. Ask your questions. Hey, can I put it in a corner? Can I put it upstairs? How about two-sided fireplaces? You know those big homes where they have these two-sided fireplaces?

SPEAKER_01 35:42

I know.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

I wandered down in uh a neighborhood the other day.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Those old-fashioned ones?

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

Um, I wandered down a neighborhood um yesterday, Plantation Point. Have you been there? I have not. Oh my gosh. What a neighborhood. Those houses are like a gajillion feet. I mean, they're like mansions. They're amazing. I didn't even know that that all existed back there. You know where it is? Like at the end of between like 38th and 29th on the intercoastal waterway side of 17.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

I yes, I'm familiar with the area. No, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Right next to the the water park. Yeah. Kind of.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Yeah, I know what you mean, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Yeah. So um, I bet you they have fireplaces. Oh, I'm sure. All right, 655 will be back in a moment.