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I did wanna be the cool parent. I did want the kids let's just be honest. I wanted to be the favorite parent. No. You know? Well and I was, so thank God. What? You were? What? Did I say that out loud? Kids sold me. -Excuse me.-Are we talking about the same kids? Hello, and welcome to a brand new season. It's season 7, episode 1 Yes. Of the family business with the Alessis where family is everybody's business. I'm Steve Alessi. I'm here with my wife, Mary Alessi, and it's been a nice break, but we're ready to go forward with the new season. You're ready. We got a lot to say. I think we do. And we've got some great subjects We do. That we're gonna be talking about as we line up the family. We've had our meeting. Yeah. We were already planning our conversations that we're gonna be having, and that's what the podcast is about. It's about us sitting down, conversations we'd have in the car, conversations in the back porch of the house, things we don't say on Sunday. Mm-mm. This is where we get to say them all. And so, I'm glad that we can do this going into our 7th season, Mary. Yeah. And we really put even more attention into what our audience enjoyed and wanted to hear more of last year Mhmm. Last season. And, so we've drawn from that, and we wanna give them more of that. People have a lot of questions when it comes to raising kids and to, building a home and raising family in this crazy culture that we have as a society right now. Well, we say it this way. You know, it's the family business with the Alessis because family is everybody's business. Now here's the reason we say that. It's your business on a regular basis. You get up in the morning, you're with family, go home at the end of the day, most likely dealing with family. Somewhere in between, it's family. It's it's and it's gotta be run almost like a business. But then again, if you don't take care of your family, then it's going to be fodder, and it's gonna be conversation at other people's table. That's right. And then now your family is everybody's business. So we wanna make sure we're helping you through that. So today, however, on this very first episode of season 7, big shout out though because everybody's been hanging with us. Here's what we wanna talk about. It's the something happening in our society today that we find doesn't help young people as they grow up and become young adults that are contributing to society. Right. And that is this whole thing with regards to permissive parenting. Yeah. So there's dangers of being too permissive Absolutely. When it comes to raising our kids in the home. Mhmm. And so here's what permissive actually means. It's the habitually accepting or tolerating something as social behavior that others might disapprove of or forbid. So it's things that are wrong that really, if you look over the course of time, things, it's behavior, it's an attitude that has been wrong, but parents won't address it today and instead let their kids think it or say it or operate in it all because maybe a fear. They don't wanna reject their kid. They don't wanna push their kids off. Maybe they don't have the energy for it anymore. But what they don't realize is they're being very permissive. They're letting habits continue that are not helpful for the kid. Yeah. We've been talking about this a lot. This has been definitely something I would say probably in the last 5 years, it's ramped up, the permissiveness of our culture. And, you know, it's easy when if you're just raising kids right now to really question if being more permissive is a good thing or not. Yeah. You know? For you and I and I hear our kids say this all the time, old school versus new school. Right? And we sit on the back porch and we talk about it, and we we see how many young parents today wanna try it a different way. You know, they want to get away from the authoritative way parents maybe raise them and, you know, so strong, so strict. My parents were so strict. And we talk about that because the results are the results. Right. And you have to stop and say, wait a minute. How does permissiveness work in a society if it's overused and it's kind of what drives a society? How does that show up in the everyday lives of people? And, we're finding already, didn't take that long, that to just be wired for permissive permissiveness, is really more apathetic than it is caring. And that's something that, you know, when we talk about it, not everybody would embrace that. I think there's still we've got people that we know that would say, no. You know, you should let your kids find their way, and don't be so pushy, and, you know, let them fly and be free, and don't put too many boundaries in their way, and don't be so harsh and so strict. They're you're just telling them to to do what you do. You're a helicopter parent, or you're hovering, or you're you're forcing them to to follow, you know, to step in line with what you're telling them to do. Well, you know, if you want to be the cool parent Yeah. Cool. But you're not going to be the cool parent for long. No. No. And and that's something that in raising all 4 of our kids listen, we struggled with that. Yeah. We did. I was, by nature, more permissive, and it caused conflict Yeah. In you and me. Right. And I I go back now that I'm older and wiser and we've raised these kids, I realize a lot of that was nothing but fear. Mhmm. I did wanna be the cool parent. I did want the kids let's just be honest. I wanted to be the favorite parent. No. You know? Well and I was, so thank God. What? You were? What? Did I say that out loud? Kids sold me. Excuse me. Are are we talking about the same kids? Mm-mm. Well, I will tell you. Ask them. They'll vote. I don't think you wanted to be the popular mom or parent. No. I I think, ultimately, what you didn't like was conflict. That's it. You never liked conflict. Hate it. Matter of fact, your family, we when we would go at it, you and I, young, you you had a tendency and you admitted it. No. We just sweep things under the rug. Sure. And that was easy for you, whereas mine was very, no, let's confront everything. And everybody on the in the neighborhood knew what we were dealing with because we would confront so loud or care front so loud one another. But you you really were more of, I don't want the conflict. And some pair parents Sure. They have that. They Absolutely. They don't want the conflict. They don't wanna put their kids out. They they have good hearts. Their intentions are right. They want things to be nice and pristine. It's like our new studio. We set up mentioned it good. Yes. Our new studio here. We did. It's beautiful. For season 7. And, if you don't watch us but listen to us, you may wanna pop over to YouTube and the other channels to be able to watch it because just the whole layout looks good. We've got some new couches that we've popped in here and some bookcase in the back, always showing our merch and and the books that we have and the coffee mugs and the shirts and all of that. And all of that is great because we want things to look nice. We want things to be set up in order. Well, parents want their homes. They want their families to look good and be good and everything to be peaceful. Yeah. But we have found if you go into parenting and raising kids, trying to avoid conflict, what you're doing is you're just avoiding the inevitable. Sooner or later, that conflict is going to be worse off than if you dealt with it on the front end. Yeah. It's true. You know, You're gonna have to pay the price. It's a painful price to raise kids. It's not easy. Nobody ever said it would be easy. But one thing you just cannot find yourself doing is letting the child in the home make decisions that the parent knows best about. Right. And when a parent kinda goes past what they know is best, all because they wanna avoid conflict, it's then that they move into permissive parenting. You mentioned before, there's authoritative parenting. Right. I'm more of that Yeah. Perspective. I come at things from more, I'm the boss. I'm dad. Yeah. I do know pretty much what's right. And I have a mindset of, like, coaching. So let me coach this team Yeah. And we're gonna win. That could be perceived by some people as being too harsh today Mhmm. Or, you know, they think authoritarian is being abusive. Well, come on, man. Put on your right thinking habit. Yeah. It's not being abusive when you're just authoritarian. Abusive is totally different. You wanna smack somebody around, you wanna use your words to hurt, that's different. Now you're being abusive. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm being talking about being firm. Authoritarian means that I know the author of this thing. I know it works. I know it's right. I've seen it. I've studied it. I've witnessed this witnessed it. I've experienced it, and here's what we're going to do. Yep. Now here's the thing. There used to be a day when a parent would say to a child, listen, as long as you live in my house That's right. Here's the rules. That's it. Okay? That used to be a day. And then when a kid, if they didn't like it, he'd say, alright, when you get 18, you finish school, you wanna move out, get a job, do your deal. Right? And kids, some of them took parents up on that only to realize, oh, shocks. That was a mistake. I sent my kids a meme the other day. It was about growing up and thinking your parents know nothing until all of a sudden you get a little bit old and you realize, wait a minute, My dad knew a little bit. Then you get a little bit older than that, and you realize, mom knew a lot more than she said. And then you realize when you get older, my god, my parents were right. Right. So that's the authoritarian. The permissive, though, is the person that sits back. And for whatever reason, Mary, they're just saying, I don't wanna rock the boat. Yeah. Oh, I think too it's kids do. I think I think conflict is a part of that, and and I wonder well, I don't wonder. I've I think it's true that when divorce has been what when divorce has impacted your life Mhmm. Then it is easier for you as a parent to slip into permissivity, and you just don't wanna bring your kids pain. And if you've experienced pain, let's say you're the product of divorce and then you have kids of your own, there's a lot of, not confusion, but insecurity there because you haven't had it modeled well to you what a long term loyal, loving relationship your parents got divorced. My parents got divorced when I turned 18 Mhmm. And I was engaged to you. And at 18, I was engaged well, 19. You would think, oh, my parents' divorce would have zero impact. No. It did because I'm getting ready to embark Yeah. On marriage. Yeah. And here my parents are, 25 years of marriage. Yeah. Everything I knew about them and what I believed about marriage was just obliterated in one conversation. It's over. My dad's leaving. My parents are divorced. Divorce. What does that even look like? What is that gonna feel like? What the betrayal that we felt as daughters? Just how could you? So I could relate from that perspective of never wanting my kids to feel that. Never. So, psychologically, I think that peppers through all conflict. I don't want my kids to feel conflict from me. I don't want conflict with my kids because I'm chasing my own pain, processing my own pain that I might not quite know how to understand and process. But I am grateful looking back Yeah. That I knew the fruit I wanted, and my mom and dad were great parents. Yeah. They were very strong, very strong parents. They didn't, their marriage wasn't great. But as far as parenting, that was great. Yeah. And thank God when it came to parenting, I had a lot of resourcing because of that experience. The marriage part, you know, we Yeah. We worked it out. But Yeah. But, you know, with your mom and dad, again, we've said this before, and I think it bears repeating. You know, your parents went through a real tough season that your dad just couldn't heal from. That was something outside of their marriage. And your dad, he just couldn't recover, and he wouldn't run to your mom. And instead, he ran away to other things Right. That medicated his pain, and that's what cut him off from what was a married relationship, and it just kinda got jacked up. But you'd still felt the effects of it. I felt the effects from it. And that was painful. And I didn't want my kids to feel I mean, I think that's the point. I was struggling with that. The other thing I I have heard from people is, yeah, pain, previous pain would cause a parent to be more permissible, but also just the demands of work and career. Yeah. I know that some men feel and women that now are in the workplace more and more, feel an incredible amount of guilt when they get home after not being with their kid all day. Very good point. Right? Mhmm. And you and I are very fortunate to work together, pretty much together 247. Got to a place where I can hardly be without you, so that's ridiculous. Obsessed with me and don't know what's going on. Such a co dependent. I need help. But, that wasn't always the case. No. We grew into that. That was crazy. But parents that don't have that privilege, they work long hours, some of them being taken out of town because of their career, and they come home and either because of guilt or just sheer exhaustion Yeah. They don't wanna have to deal with the craziness that is their kid that spouts off things, says things, does things, hangs out in certain environments. They don't wanna correct any of that. Right. Because all their energies has been handled at the office. Yeah. And they really don't have the energy when they get home to now Yeah. Have to address a certain, you know, mindset. They don't have that. So it makes it very difficult. And then what they don't realize though is that that's just kicking this can down the road. Sooner or later, they're gonna have to deal with the mindset. Because as we said, you know, when you're talking about this permissive parenting, it's actually talking about tolerating a behavior. -Yeah. -That you know is wrong. -That's right. -But you let it go on in your kids. And that word tolerant is huge in our society today. -Yeah, it is. Everybody says you gotta be tolerant of people's choices in society, that that whole deal. You gotta let be tolerant of others' behavior. You gotta just give them a pass. You know, mental health is an issue, and you just gotta be tolerant. We applied for a grant recently with the with, Google. And one of the things they wanted to make sure in that grant Yes. Was that we were a tolerant business Yeah. With our business and practices Mhmm. With employees, and we couldn't qualify. We didn't sign up for it. We said, nope. Sorry. We have our standards That's right. That we abide by. So we're there's certain things that's age appropriate in kids, but there's other behaviors that need a parent to parent. Yeah. And if not, then you're just permissive, being permissible. And and if we can, let's try to tackle that for a minute. Because as I look at it, I'm from a writer in the Wall Street Journal. He calls, what we're dealing with today an opinion based theology that most people have, That there is no absolutes, there is no right and wrong, it your philosophies, your your practice, your your standards in life that you abide by are pretty much just a been opinion based. Right. It's your opinion. Yeah. So your truth works for you. My truth works for me, which means there is no absolute truth. It's all based on opinion. And he says that right there comes down to this. He says, boys may be girls and girls may be boys according to impulse or whim. According to impulse or whim, you can decide whether you as a boy, you could be a girl or a girl, you can be a boy. Right. Then he goes on to say, criminals are just victims. Yeah. Civilization, because of their rules, is just barbaric. Then he says the ambition of the progressive left has been to dismantle the previous America as being racist, oppressive, sexist, and excessively white. The 21st century is an unusually dislocated time. It's out of joint. Yeah. All because of this, what he calls opinion based theology. Yeah. Now it does away with all truths. Now here's where the permissive issue comes in. If a parent sees their kid picking up on this kind of opinion based theology about life, the parent has to step in and teach them truth. Yes. I I think more now than ever. Yeah. I think it's urgent now that you have to sit down and have conversations with your children. If they're out there in the real world I mean, we did, and the world wasn't like it is now. It has rapidly gotten crazier in a decade. Mhmm. But I think it matters more now than it ever has before that parents say, alright. I want this fruit, then I better be very careful to select the right seed. And we can't just willy nilly our way through this thing with parents, as parents. We really do have to be intentional about sitting down with our children and telling them there is absolute truth, and that's where you're going to feel the safest is knowing this is right and this is wrong. You know, it's funny as you're reading that, I'm thinking to myself, well, if a kid on what were the words you used? Something about a whim, you said in that article, you said, read it again. Boys may be boys. Girls girls may be boys according to impulse or whim. So why can't they then choose not to go to school? Yeah. If they wake up and there's an impulse, I don't wanna go. A lot of them aren't. I'm but I'm saying Yeah. This that's the part about Yes. You critically think. Think critically when it comes to this. Don't let the culture that they're just sowing seeds to the wind thinking they're going to get good fruit, they're not. Yeah. You can say that unapologetically. Right. Unequivocally. I don't even know what that word means, but I know it means there ain't no way that you can say to a a little boy, you feel like being a girl today? Oh my goodness. Maybe you are. Or a little boy. You you the opposite. Okay? I don't wanna get confused. But it creates so much confusion in a kid when they don't know right and wrong, and the world is moving the goalpost. The society today is removing all the boundary lines. And more than ever, parents have to say, Okay, that's good for the world, but my family, our little chicks, we are going to be raised up with this mindset, with this thought. And what's funny to me, okay, is this generation that thinks our generation was old school Yeah. And was authoritative and strict. Watch. Watch. They're going to have to be even more strict than our parents were and we were. Okay? And I'm gonna sit back and laugh just a little bit. Because -Mhmm. -Because you you realize as your kids start to go, get older and develop and they start going from why to I don't think so mom and dad, and they start disagreeing with you based on the friendship circles they're in and what they're picking up on TikTok and they're you know, Gabby said something to me last night. We were driving home talking. She goes, you know, mom, you and dad, when you say, oh, kids see things on social media. It's bad today. She goes, you know, you really have no idea. I got goosebumps when she was telling me. She goes, you you really don't understand how bad it is, what these kids see. She goes, you think you know, but, mom, it's so disgusting what little kids can see with their parents' phone in their hands Yeah. That their parents would never know they saw, and they can't unsee. And she said, I wouldn't even say it out loud. It's that disgusting. And I'm thinking, well, how I mean, I've been around a whole lot longer than you. You would think I would have already heard about it, but what it shows you is every time your 5 or 6 year old is sitting next to you and they're they're complaining and you hand them your phone, you've just opened Pandora's box to permit them to have access to something because you're tired Mhmm. Or you're frustrated. And the problem with that is the world is has changed. It's not like it was when we were growing up where you you had to have money to see something dirty. Just be honest. Yeah. You have somebody to drive you

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11 to see it. Yeah. It's different now. It's all access. It's right here. Yeah. Even Gianna, our little granddaughter, I have to be careful. And I've got controls. I don't see stuff on my phone, but it listen. Even still, we can't be so quick to default to be permissive grandparents. No. No. I said shoot the other day. Everybody else thought I said something else. But after I said, oh, shoot, Gianna says shoot. She yeah. And she was close to not saying that. She was close to saying the other one. They're like, dad, what did you say? I said, I said shoot. No. Dad, that's not what you said. No. I said shoot. Gianna, what did I say? No. No. But but see Here's what young people are dealing with today, though. And this is why we need the voice of reason. Yes. Every parent has to correct this stuff. Says this. This is, an article, August 16th. Major medical group expresses skepticism about sex chain surgeries for kids. They're coming out and they're saying all of the stuff that we believe the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, an organization representing 92% of all board certified plastic surgeons in the US becomes the 1st medical major medical association to break from the consensus over gender affirming care for minor minors. The term gender affirming care is a euphemism used to describe irreversible Yes. Puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and elective surgical body disfigurement such as castration for boys and double mastectomy and whoop. Something else for girls that exempt exempt exhibit confusion about their sex. The American associate of plastic surgeons are coming coming out saying, wait a minute. It's not gonna work. We don't think this is healthy. They're finally coming out saying, we don't think this is healthy, but a parent will sit there without doing their research. And when their child comes up to them and says, I feel like I'm uncomfortable. Or or wait. Wait. Wait. They they might not even say that. They might say, I have a friend at school who says Yeah. And you've gotta combat that. Mhmm. You know, my friend says he's a cat. My friend says he's a a girl, and he's got 2 dads, and he you've gotta know how to handle that at home. You've gotta have those conversations with your 5 year old. Yeah. You can't sweep it under the rug. And it's not easy. It's not easy, but that's the point we're trying to make. This is the world we live in right now. That I heard the story, oh my gosh, about a kid that was at school and was really unhappy at school, and kept getting in trouble by the teacher. And so the parent says to the kid, well, why are you, why are you getting in trouble? And she kept saying, well, because I I got mad at so and so. And she said, well, why are you getting mad? It's because she says she's a cat. Says, what do you mean she's a cat? Yeah. She says she's a cat. So the parent looks at the kid and finally says whereas the permissible parent would be thinking, oh, go pet it. Yeah. Don't don't offend her. Don't hurt her feelings. Don't bother her. The teacher in the classroom was actually it's a true story. It was actually giving the student a little bowl of milk. That's That's insanity. So finally, the parent looked at the kid and said, well, next time she bothers you, you turn around, and you just scratch her. You just go at her. And when the parent the teacher comes up and gets on to you, you tell the teacher, well, I'm sorry, I'm a rottweiler. And then when the parent calls me in to complain, I'm gonna ask the teacher. I mean, when the teacher calls me in to complain and wanna have a parent conference, I'm gonna ask the teacher, well, teacher, why would you put a rottweiler or a cat in the same classroom? Of course, it was a comedian. Of course. Imagine a parent sitting back and allowing a kid to actually think. The fact that we even entertain it is insanity. But do do castration, Mary? I know, Steve. Puberty blockers? Very, very horrible. This is really gonna pan out and play out well in the future. No. No. No. You don't even give a kid's brain a chance to develop, to find out who they are Yeah. And what they want Yeah. Out of life. You know, I I can tell you that if if we were those types of parents, Stephanie, when she was coming up because Chris was 4 years older and he had all these friends and he played sports and he was very he was into into being outside all the time and playing ball, she the only way she knew to relate to her brother was do what he does. And, you know, the the days of just being a tomboy for a little bit aren't even the case anymore. Mhmm. If your daughter exudes anything at all masculine because she's got an older brother. Yeah. Oh, she's struggling with her gender identity. No. She's not. No. She doesn't she hasn't even fully come into the knowledge of her gender. No. It's just her wanting to relate to her brother. Mhmm. But there are sadly, there are a lot of parents out there Yeah. That are terrified that somehow because that organization, that movement tells parents, do you want a an alive opposite sex of what you have or a dead child? That's so bad. And it's that's evil. Mm-mm. That's just pure evil. No. Parents can't act in a very permissible way when it comes to these kind of, beliefs and boundaries. Absolutely. Because what you do set up with a child when there are boundaries or standards in place are boundaries. Yeah. And every kid needs boundaries. Right. When we had Christopher, our first born, I was very strong with Christopher. I wanted to make sure he would be a respectful young man. I wanted to make sure he was obedient. So I was very strong, authoritative, because I knew what needed to be done with him. Well, then Stephanie, as you said, comes on the scene, and Stephanie was just kinda wild. She would get up on the side of a couch and jump off and not think about what's gonna happen when she hits the floor. She just thought she can do anything. She was a wild child. So I had to be authoritative with her as well for her own protection and safety. Yeah. Well, the other 2 comes on the scene, and they see how we treated the older ones. And as a result of that, they immediately fell in line. Yeah. And so the older ones then would say to us all the time, you treat the little ones with, like, you know, you baby them. Yeah. You're so nice to them. They get I was so nice. We never did. They never did anything wrong. Right. Because they learned from the old ones. That's the power of boundaries. When you put them in place, it helps young people as they're growing up, to know what's healthy, what's unhealthy, where they can get themselves in trouble, where they can stay safe. That's so super important. And if a parent does not take on that responsibility, but instead lets the kid call the shots, that's when all of a sudden you find kids, they won't respect authority. That's right. I don't think they can even find, security and their destiny and their calling, their purpose in life. They they won't know who, what God looks like and what what a relationship with him would be like. They're buying into all of these other things. I mean, there's a list of these things, a slew of these things I can just share with you. Matter of fact, my my pastor brain goes into, you know, engaged here, because I can list a list of things for you on why it's so destructive to parent permissively Yeah. And why and how you could then be a parent that leads with the right kind of standards. Just just dial into the the program notes. We'll be able to get you that kind of information as I think it'll be really helpful for you. But here's the point. There is a danger Right. To being a permissible kind of parent. I think there's a danger in in what's the word? In dancing around, a permissive mindset. Yeah. Period. Because what parents fall into, there's a trap we all fall into. It's one thing to kind of entertain a certain logic and thought process, and then you've got to answer to kids about what you believe or you don't believe. So you can't be incongruent. You have to live what you believe. You have to do what you say. So if you were in college and you were more permissive and you were more tolerant and you had one way of thinking about maybe gay marriage or, you know, fluid fluidity amongst the gender lines or whatever. Whatever that might be that would cause you to be either, more permissible about the the society in and of itself that there aren't any really absolutes and who are we to tell people Yeah. You know, if you you should get an abortion if you want it and who are we to tell people what to do with their bodies. All of that, even financial, and then all of a sudden, you know, you think that finances should look one way, the government should do one thing, and then you get your first you get your first paycheck and you gotta pay and then all of a sudden you it changes Yeah. Yeah. What you believe. Right? So it's the same thing when you have children, what you flirted with Right. And thought you believed and entertained as a younger person, now you have kids to answer for. Yep. You have human beings you have to shape. Listen. I would love to permit you to keep talking. So I need you to do something because we gotta close this show. I'm gonna permit you. Wow. I can't believe that. Give me this quick example, the the analogy of an open marriage, how that doesn't work relationally, and then then I'll bring this together. An extreme Yes. But this is an extreme analogy, and I don't want anybody on it. I can't believe she said that. Ellen and I were blown away when you shared it. But so good. It's extreme. But, you know, when when we talk about permissivity and you're concerned about where those lines are, in a marriage, anything that you would want to allow that would erode it the quickest would be an open marriage. If you had an open marriage where there were no lines, there were there was no discipline, there was no expectation of the husband or the wife Yeah. There's no rules None. Then you're going to completely obliterate that relationship in about 24 hours. It wouldn't take much at all. Right. You wouldn't have an open marriage. Why would we have a boundaryless family? Yeah. Why would we have an open family that we just adopt all these ideologies and we don't know what you're gonna create is very insecure children. And they need to know what's right, what's wrong, where the lines are, what the absolutes are, and they need you as a parent to tell them. Yeah. They need to be able to look to their parents for what what the rights are and what the wrongs are. Oh, very good. So important. Well Especially in these days. If you enjoyed this episode of the family business with the Alessis, then you would have really enjoyed season 5 Season 5. Episode 15 We did it. On a series. What was it called? Gentle Parenting? Gentle Parenting. Yeah. That was great. That one got a lot of feedback. Go listen to it. If you enjoyed this one, you'll enjoy that one. Thanks for joining us today. I had a great time on our number one episode of season number 7. Hope you were encouraged and at least challenged Yeah. To not be so permissible when it comes to parenting. You've just enjoyed another episode of the family business podcast with the Alessis, and we can't thank you enough for being a part of our podience today. 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