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I'm glad to be here"},{"speaker":"Jason Young","startTime":107.49,"endTime":110.19,"body":"and looking forward to our"},{"speaker":"Jason Young","startTime":107.49,"endTime":110.19,"body":"conversation."},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":110.58,"endTime":112.95,"body":"So Jason, I"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":110.58,"endTime":112.95,"body":"understand your past life"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":112.95,"endTime":115.68,"body":"journey was triggered by a road"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":112.95,"endTime":115.68,"body":"trip, correct?"},{"speaker":"Jason Young","startTime":116.13,"endTime":118.59,"body":"Yeah, that's right."},{"speaker":"Jason Young","startTime":116.13,"endTime":118.59,"body":"It was a trip from Colorado to"},{"speaker":"Jason Young","startTime":118.65,"endTime":119.34,"body":"California."},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":119.67,"endTime":120.09,"body":"And you know,"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":120.12,"endTime":124.71,"body":"this is actually very common."},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":120.12,"endTime":124.71,"body":"Travel to new places will often"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":124.71,"endTime":127.77,"body":"spark emotions or memories"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":124.71,"endTime":127.77,"body":"related to past life"},{"speaker":"Heather Davari","startTime":127.77,"endTime":131.82,"body":"experiences. 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