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I think I rubbed shoulders as he th by me at the a DC after party and I was like, oh , he's a cool guy. That's Lex Friedman. Yeah. And I do appreciate his show, you know, but I find he likes to have sort of controversial guests on, and I find he's not good at actually putting any pressure on them. Yeah . He just kinda lets them go. And so what I've sort of realized is that when he is got a guest on who's very intelligent, great speaker got something to say, that's a sick app . Right . 'cause they just run with it. They unleash, but when he is got a Kanye or I don't know , some other we <laugh>, they just run with it and you're like, Hey , that can shouldn't run with it. Yeah . Yeah . You know what I mean? Sure. At least in my view. So yeah . I stumbled onto , and I don't know how doing a bit of driving over Christmas, you know, and it's funny right? There's so many podcasts out there. Of course there's like at least 12 <laugh> and minimum. There's so many and they're on everything you want to know about. But still, I struggle on a daily basis to find an episode I wanna listen to. Correct. Like, I have my usuals that I go to. Yeah. But say they release whatever couple once a week. Couple times a week. So it's like, there's nothing new. I need something every day . Yeah. I need my podcast fix . Anyway. Um , some could say the same of us, Joe . They could say the same <laugh> , dudes , we gotta work. At some point, <laugh> whatcha talking about this is the work. But , uh, yeah. Man, I I feel you , uh, before we get into legs , like when you get on Netflix and you're like, there's nothing to watch. You're scrolling, there's millions of things to watch, but then you waste an hour scrolling. Yeah. What I was gonna say is , so a diary of a CEO , I'm not gonna recommend that podcast. If you wanna have a look, you can. The guy's boring <laugh>. He's smart as. He's boring. I want to meet him and be like, Hey bro, apart from being like really smart and asking questions, crack a joke, bro. There's a get a so personality, there's a solemness. No, but he's very , he's very monotonal. You had Busta Rhymes on. Right? Right. And Busta Rhymes. It was a good interview because Busta Rhymes has had a very colorful life. But I almost crashed the car from falling asleep. From listening to the, like, if you wanna fall asleep at night, listen to the diary of a CEO , the guy's smart read's books , whatever. But that podcast man. Like <laugh> , sorry, I'm taking this sideways podcast you shouldn't listen to, but this is the difficult thing, right? You get someone who's really intelligent and you're like, wow, these people are unpacking heaps of cool ideas, but they don't necessarily deliver it in an entertaining way. And I think that idea of knowledge and entertainment entertainment's kind of important. Yeah. Yeah. And I I would say that like when you get someone on who is a, a speaker Yes. Right. In , in some capacity, then they're usually gonna be good. 'cause speakers understand engagement. Yeah . Whereas you get someone on who's strictly an intellectual Yes. Or, or , or like Buster Rhymes, who's like a , a , you know, a musician. He's an entertainer. Yeah. He's probably not, he , he's not been training his whole life on how to keep people engaged while discussing things for two hours. No. You know, so , no , but I mean, it wasn't Buster Buster was bringing the full respect to Buster Busta Rhymes Buster Bust. I , I saw the funniest meme yesterday. I don't remember what song it is. Busta Rhymes track where the kind of music sims down and it's just him rapping at hyper speed . Yes. And he's gone on for like a minute and someone's put a de cent to me a clip of , um, two fried eggs in a pan, like cooking really intensely bubbling away. Yeah . And there's the two yolks. Yeah . And then there's a , they've put a little hole. Yeah . And you know how the eggs Yes . Bit . And the mouse bubbling to Busta arms as well . <laugh> <laugh> . Clever. Clever. No, I , good . I listened to that episode 'cause I saw a clip from it and I was like, oh , that looks good. Yeah. That clip was the best part of the <laugh>. You know , you know when you see the trailer for a movie and you're like, oh my God, that movie would be great. But the trailer was all the best parts of the movie. Yeah. So that two minute clip was honestly the best piece of that whole interview. He Yeah. That one thing they do a good job of . And actually they have a good teaser. Yeah. Coming into the app , it's a little bit, it's kind of like a movie, like the music and stuff, it's all a bit too dramatic cinematic and the way they structure it. Yeah . But it is, I I do find that impressive. So do you have a favorite Lex episode? You were recently? You've, you've talked a little bit about this recently. Not on the show, but with me, you know. No, I don't. I don't because the, I'm , I'm thinking like three episodes come to mind that I loved listening to of l and they're all quite different. Rattle 'em off. Come on. Well, the first one that I wasn't gonna mention today is Richard Wolf, who's a, I have no idea about this guy. He's a professor of economics at Harvard, I think. Okay . And he's a communist. Oh. Basically. Or he's a Marxist. How interesting. Yeah. And so he's, he's an American guy. I think he's from like New York region. Like he's got the cool accent and stuff. Okay. And he's basically like a, but he works for such a capitalist institution. Well, you know, he lives in a capitalist society. Right. <laugh> , like, you can, you can harbor the views of Marxism while like, you can't play against game or being a hypocrite, <laugh> . Well, what are you gonna do though? Right. You gotta work, move to a different country, bro. Moved to North Korea. I dunno , it's , um, but he's really fascinating. He , I , I , I love that guy. And so I actually, I listened to that and then I went and sought him out on like a bunch of other podcasts. Oh , okay. Interesting. Because I found that very fascinating. He is like, so Yeah. If you jump on that as like, ah , Marxism bad. No, no. I don't think Marxism is bad. It's just, but many would. Right. It's interesting that he's a professor in New York at Stanford, which is Yeah . Harvard or some. Harvard money, money, money, money, money. Yeah. Look, people don't worry about money. <laugh> . You know , it just, it's just, it seems it would be interesting to hear him Yeah . Talk. Yeah. Talk . Well talk. But also just to argue his point . Point . And you can <laugh> . Yeah. I I can, but I probably worry . He's sounds there hypocrite. But you , you like him, which I , I like for you . Um, so Wolf, you recommend that Richard Wolf? Richard Wolf. Yeah. That's big on . But the two that I listened to most recently that I, that I really liked , uh, Teddy Atlas. Oh yeah. That was fire . Yes . And he talks about meeting Mike Tyson for the first time. So he was, from what I understand, he was Mike Tyson's trainer. Right. KK Dato was the , the coach. Yep . But basically, Teddy Atlas was the one holding on the pads in the gym with him. Yeah . You know, took him from, I think, I think he , he can , he met him when he was 11, when Tyson was 11. Took him through the Olympics and all that . Uh , yeah, I don't know . Maybe he didn't, he didn't talk on that. But he said some really big things in that one. He, so, and Lex opens with this, their relationship came to an end when Mike Tyson was sexually inappropriate with Teddy's 11-year-old daughter. Tyson was 15 or 14. Oh no. Teddy Atlas pointed a gun at his head and said, if , if you come near my family again, I'll kill you. Whoa. And that was then, that was then the end of Teddy Atlas working with Oz and Mike. Right . And , and Oz and Mike went off and continued the career. Um , he talks about that. Whoa. He talks about that. Uh , the other thing that he says that's very fascinating, he says he doesn't believe Mike Tyson's a great boxer. He , he doesn't believe he's one of the greats. Interesting . He said, he's like a meteor, as in he streamed through. You'll never see anything like that again for a hundred years. He's a force of nature. But he said the, the greats, he said the greats don't rely on the weaknesses of their opponents in order to win. Okay. And so where , where he went with that was, he said, Mike Tyson had a 50 fights or whatever on his record, but he said he actually only ever had five fights. He said he only had five times Yeah. Where his opponent brought it back. Right. He said all the other ones he won through intimidation. Right . He'd already won before they'd entered the ring. Uh , but I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that detracts him , him as a boxer, I would say that speaks to him as an athlete. Right. It , which it does. And he says, that's the thing. It's , he's like, it's athleticism. It's the power, it's, you know, and this is, this is his opinion. Right . Sure , sure , sure . Yeah . Um, but he said the five fights where he was, where he faced someone who was, you know, as good as, or as good as, or like , weren't afraid of him that night. Right . And he talks about it , he's like, I can't remember who it is. Um, but he's like, one of them , uh, that guy's mom who he was super close with, died like two months before the fight. And he's like, that was the best performance we ever saw from that boxer, because whatever like that, he goes that, that boxer was never able to realize his potential. You could see he was great. Yeah . But then he said two months after his mother died, the person he was closest with in his life, nothing hurt him more than what Mike like Yeah . Mike Tyson couldn't do anything to him. Yeah. You know, and he's like, and so it's just very fascinating. And I think he's been , um, he's , he's like, people hate me for saying this. Sure. You know, he's got a bunch of haters. I mean, but he understands the boxing game as good as anyone. But he's also a very opinionated guy too. So it's, it's interest. It is interesting to, to see that awesome. Opinionated guy's are fun to listen to. Right. Sometimes <laugh> hard to talk with, fun to listen to <laugh> . I hit that teddy atlas in the face. He'll me up. Um, he's still got moves, man. I've seen, he's got a tutorial on dynamic striking. Oh yeah. It's, I think it's like an arm of , um, BJJ fanatics. Right. Like they've got fit and strong and they've got different , uh, arms under their entertainment, I believe. Oh , are they all BJJ fanatics related ? Those things ? Yeah . So fit , uh, dynamic striking Yeah . Is is their , like their striking piece. And he's like, he is , he moves so well. Wow. And I don't know how he must be coming up for 70 or something. I think so. Yeah. Right . He's still got the moves. Wow. He's a really fun guy to listen to. 'cause he has, he's one of those people that kind of lives through maxim's. Right. Kind of like reading a stoic philosopher. Sure. Did . You know, talk about something and then he'll like drop the maxim sound bite , say Yeah. You know, but when someone shows you who they really are, that's who they've always been. And he drops this constantly. Right. You know, and, and , and a lot of it, and this is kind of part of the story that he weaves, he learned from K Dato . Right. And so there's this cool kind of philosophical life journey thing that encompasses the conflict that he had with Mike and with Koz and Sure . But they were also so they had such an impression and Koz was , was like a real mentor to him. Yeah. Right. Um , even though he was kind of using him a little bit. Right . So it's, it's a very fascinating thing to hear him talk on. He's, he's, you can hear that. He's like, I love that man. I hate that. Yeah. It's like both of those lines, you know, it's a hard, it's a hard juggle. Lex and Lex , you know, Lex loves the love piece. Right. Like Lex , he's good on that. Yeah, you bet. Yeah . And so would , you said there was a third that stood out to you? Man , the third was, I just got finished with it. He had a guy on John Heimer who's a, he's another college professor. I don't know what college, college in , uh, Chicago I believe. But his thing is Israel, Palestine, Russia, Ukraine , China, nato, world War iii . Holy. <laugh> . Yeah. It's pretty big. Whoa . That's huge. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff to be talking about in geopolitics. It's , yeah. But you know, he is , I liked , I don't know , I he's tying it all together. Yeah. He ties it all together very well. And, and he's, I mean, great. He understands history very well. Obviously. I don't , I don't know that I necessarily agree with everything he says. Right. Lemme be clear about that. 'cause there's a lot of, there's controversial topics in there, but one thing he says, he kind of opens with, he opens with that the , the state of the world, world politics is , uh, anarchy. Right. And he's like, anarchy, not like anarchy actually just means , uh, like an absence of hierarchy. Right . So he said in nations, like in countries, we have a hierarchy. You have the state and they're the big boss. Right . And he's like, state's really good because they kind of dictate how to act. Everyone knows how to act and that's how it does . Yeah . And they , and they protect the nation. And it's like this agreement. Um , but he says in anarchy, there's no, it's kind of every person for themselves, right? So he said, in an anarchic environment, the world, all you can do is a mass power . Right? Like , the only thing that you have to do is a mass power , because otherwise you are under threat. Right. So he's like, your kind of role as a nation then is to amass power. And so he just talks about that, how about diplomacy and teamwork and Yeah. But those are all sort of reflections of power, right? Like the diplomacy between nations is often like, Hey, I'd really like you guys to consider doing X , um, because, you know, I think it's in the best interest economically, but it also, it's like, and we've got aircraft carriers parked out in the ocean there . Yeah , yeah . You know what ? I , I'm sure. No, but I'm saying more like for want of a better reason. France and , uh, England have hated each other for history. Like Yeah . Up until a point that it was like, the Germans are coming. Okay, <laugh> , yo we're allies now. <laugh> . You know what I mean? There's times , uh, relationships maybe of convenience or different, there's times when , but that's, that's power. That's, Hey, we're under threat. We need more, we need, we need help. Help us be more powerful. Yeah, of course. But what I'm saying is that this idea of just individual nation states and everything else, the chaos, I don't Yeah. I , yeah. I dunno if I fully agree on that, but I know Yeah . Fair . Whatever. It's interesting. But that's, but that's what it is, right? It's like, we're under threat. How do we become more powerful? How do we go from being weak and vulnerable to being strong and imposing? Sure. Okay. I need to connect with more nations. Okay. Hey, let's have economic ties. Hey, let me help you with this. Okay. Okay, cool. Hey, do you wanna be our ally mad? Join nato. Sick. Sure. You know? And so he kind of paints the whole picture as like, I don't know , he gives a , he gives more of a , um, a less western biased view of the Russia, Ukraine thing. Okay. Um, which goes back to Cold War. Right? Sure. Like it goes it like it that that whole thing goes back a long ways . Anyway, I really liked it. Cool. That's cool. Yeah . A big fan of that. Yeah. Interesting. Alright . That's cool, man. A topic for our times. Yeah, it is. And then far out. There's so much, there's so much going on there that , uh, it's , we're so far away from here in Australia. It's hard to imagine the reality of what it's like to be in those situations. I mean, I was in Poland , uh, in , um, 2022, so I did see a bit of the like Ukraine kind of spill over into Poland and how that Wow. Yeah. And it was a bit shocking, man. I'll be honest. Like , um, well , you could see like refugees. Yeah. Yeah. Just ho it's just basically your homeless people, people in the street or people driving uber <laugh> who probably shouldn't be driving Uber <laugh> , like just wildness. Yeah . Yeah . It was, it was confronting in the sense that I I I had some imaginary Disney version in my mind that the Polish people would just be, the Polish government would just be looking after all the Ukrainians. No, that's not what the is happening. Oh yeah. You can come in but sort yourself out or off. I mean, yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty intense. I mean, Poland itself seems like a hard place, right? It it's tough . It is tough. And I think , yeah. Anyway , it's , this is not to, you know, and this is not a , a criticism of of of Polish people more that the Polish government isn't looking after it's sister country, basically. Yeah. It's like, well , it's not our problem. Uh, it is. It's you next, bro. Yeah. Like don't get it twisted. Yeah. You are part of the European Union, but like, you know, the reality is way more confronting than whatever we see on the news. Yes. You know , and I , I think every country I went to , uh, I was smacked in the face by economic realities of hangovers from covid and homelessness and Oh . Just all kinds of stuff. You're like, wow, this is, yeah, it's really real. It's true too . Like when you're listening to people talk about that kind of thing, like geopolitics it, like they're talking about it like it's a game. Yeah . Because it is in a way, but it, but it's looking at it at that Mac , like that macro level, it doesn't, it's not looking at like the human experience. Yeah. Right. It's kind of like talking about Hitler and the Holocaust and him doing that and you're like, there's like millions of people being murdered like massacred while this going on crazy while this game is being played. Which I mean, you have to be able to talk about it in both ways, don't you? Sure . It's, but it is , um, there's something like when you listen to say a pod like that one, there's something that it can easily become kind of devoid of the actual humanity of it. Yeah. You know? Yeah, man. I mean, look, we caught an Uber to the train station and the guy who was driving our , uh, Uber might've been Belarusian maybe, but he almost got a fight. Like we are just trying to get the station on time. And he just cut in on another guy and we thought he cheekily just was like, oh , thanks buddy. He flipped the dude off and then the dude just got like, drove around us , cut in , got out the car, like, get out the car. Yeah, let's go. And this guy was like yelling at him in kind of Belarusian and I was like, oh, this guy's not Polish. Like, 'cause he wasn't talking to us. Right. And usually , you know, you talk to the Polish guys and they have a chat and, and so I got out the car and I was like, go bro, don't do this. Don't. I was like, we we're just, we're in the back. We're just passengers man. We're trying to get to that train the train . 'cause you're thinking what dude's like carrying a gun or some? Well, no, no . This guy was about to just beat the out of our Uber driver. Like our Uber driver was just a little skinny rat of a man. This guy was a big strong Polish dude. It was down to bang. Well, no he shouldn't and he shouldn't have cut in either. Haven't done move . He just didn't even care. But I was like, nah man. And then this guy was like, well I'll nut you. And I was like, bro, it is about to get UFC real quick. <laugh> . I was like, I just wanna get to the train. I don't want to borrow this. Like, there is no tolerance here for that. You don't just, you know, like, you know , in Australia someone cut you off. You're like, ah , no, you don't do that. I steward that for the next five hours. Yeah. You follow them home <laugh> . Yeah . Take their address. No . Anyway, it's just, what I wanna say is relevant to what you're saying about these conflicts when you go to places and then you see the reality of what's happening to the people on the kind of street level. They don't talk about the on the news, you know? Yeah. Uh , yeah. They only like to show this building blew up or this is a great victory, but they don't actually talk about how it, all the negative effects on everything else around it. Yeah. It's full on . But I'm gonna flip it. Go on . I'm gonna flip it. Leave it on , man. Well, actually it's funny 'cause it relates to war slightly. Uh , founders podcast by David Sra . Uh, he basically just goes back through history and looks at all the autobiographies of all the great founders of companies. But recently I think he, he had been looking at different people who just overcame adversity, is like, here's a great, there's great lessons of endurance in this. And there's one which I listened to , uh, only two days ago, which is about Alistair Erhart . And he was in the , he was Scottish and he was stationed in Singapore. And he ended up, I don't know if the book is written about him, but he helped build the whatever train line, the death mar , the Japanese death marches. He built the train line in the jungle, which killed hundreds and like tens of thousands of people. And then, yeah . Was this like POW? Yeah. He survived the worst conditions ever. And then, yeah, he's one of the only people to survive that whole situation. But he talked about the arrogance and the ignorance of the , the English. Like, oh , Singapore's imp pregnant bull . No one will ever come. And , you know, no one's gonna take us out. And then just details all the crazy stuff that happened to him. You know , distri malaria, all all the terrible diseases, and then having to work in the jungle, laying track naked every day . Whoa. Yeah. Tell me about, where's this track? So it's in s it's in Singapore. It's in the jungle. Right. And the English originally were gonna try and build this track, but they were told, nah , it would , too many people would die trying to build it. What's it for? Uh , this is for the Japanese to be able to get , uh, resources in to help take over . There's a , it's a , a , I dunno the name of it. I'm sure someone out there who's more historically minded than me or informed. Well , no , it's quite famous, this train track that they built. 'cause they just basically to like, to move goods and Yeah. Right. They made a , they made a film out of it. And I I it , the spotlight may have been on someone different. Not this particular guy. Kota . No <laugh> . No , no , no , no , no, no. But the thing is, the crazy thing is people just didn't know, 'cause the Japanese just captured like I hundreds and thousands of these troops and just disappeared them into the jungle. So no one knew what was happening to these guys. Right. It was all behind enemy lines. Holy. This guy's life. He just survived. He was just, he didn't do anything crazy. He's just a survivor. And he was just able to not die. Which is basically the requirement. And it is just really puts in your mind that our lives are really easy and that we can tolerate a lot of stress provided we have a reason to go forward. And one of the key learnings out of it was a lot of the young guys there who were like healthier, actually died , uh, earlier in the journey. 'cause they didn't have anything in particular to live for. Whereas the older guys, the guys kind of in their thirties, they had family, they had wives, they had a purpose to not give up and die. Wow. And so that was a , a huge thing. So yeah, man, I listened to this podcast. I was like, whoa, that's, it was like really, like, it really , uh, pushed into my mind as to, you know, like life's awesome . You know, like I already think that. But it's just good to have those reminders. And then also if you don't have time to read a million books, which you probably don't, he goes through and he does deep dives on , uh, you know, all the, the , the people who help build our society to what it is. Now, whether it was like say like a Coco Chanel or a Yvonne Schad or like a , he just takes somebody who's dedicated their lives. Coco Chanel's, one of the great society builders. Well, I think great brand builders. No, no, no. Because he does like all the, all the Yeah. It's more of a business. He likes people who have achieved a lot in business, but also Right . But there's lessons for life. Yeah . And I think that like if you look at people trying to do in 1837, you're like, oh , what the? How did you do that? Yeah. And my favorite one of all of them is Sam Za Murray . And it's from the book called The Fish That Ate the Whale. Mm . Sam the banana man. Incredible. I won't go into it, but it's, good. And just the guy staged a coup to take over. Not Peru, not Columbia . Anyway, where all the bananas were grown at that time. Right . The US government was like, yo, SAMSA Murray , you gotta chill. We don't like this. We we , we've gonna install this leader into this country. 'cause it suits us economically. And he's like, hang on a second, that's gonna raise the price of my bananas. Like 5 cents a bunch. That's not happening. They're like, stay out of it. Samsa Murray . He's like, get. They're like literally , um, the , the , the head of state or whatever, whoever it is under the presidents at Samson Murray, you need to chill. He is like, yeah , all right , fine. I , yeah . <laugh> gets a war boat , gets a ton of mercenaries, gets another liter and stages a coup, and then the plants them, and then gets all this tax free land to grow his bananas. So that what stage So he can take over the country and they're his bananas. No, no, no. So he , he does great thing that , uh, you know, past governments have done, which is puts in a leader that suits him. Yeah . So he gets the tax exemptions, he gets the free land. Ah , right. And then he can grow as many bananas as he wants. And just out competes the largest fruit company in the world because he does this thing. He's so ballsy. Like, I'm not saying it's like this is how you should live life, but it's like, it's like he takes over a country for bananas, my guy. It's impressive. So founders is awesome. Invest like the best. Um, really smart , uh, look, if you're into investment. Uh , I'm not really good with money. I don't have investments per se, but I like trying to learn stuff. And so he , he's a really smart guy. Invest like the best. Well , you got , you got an that's a, that's a show. Like that's Yeah. It's a show. You got an episode on there that you can put forward? Uh, yeah. Well actually they did a thing. So recently , um, Charlie Munger passed away who is Warren Buffet's , uh, investment partner. Yeah. And the quieter of the partnership. Yeah . Uh , there's an interview on there from actually a guy called Patrick Collison who's one of the collison brothers who helped found Stripe. Right. He interviews, it's like Charlie Munger's last significant interview. Oh wow. They put that on there and Charlie Munger is just basically in an hour and a bit, drops all the super solid wisdom on how you should approach business investing, all of that. Mm-Hmm . How cool. It's incredible. Yeah. Right. 'cause he literally, I think he dies only like one or two weeks later. Wow. That's incredible. After interview. He's an old fella . Huh ? Warren Buffet's an old fellow too, isn't he? Yeah. I think Warren's maybe a touch younger, right . Charlie's a touch older. So I think he died at the age of 92 or 93 . Yeah. Okay. But , um, very fascinating. Like, I mean, Warren Buffet easy to find information on. He is more public in that way, but Yeah . Very fascinating way that he he operates, huh? Well, they've just rereleased , um, Charlie Munger's, poor Charlie's Almanac, which was a famous book from years ago, went outta print and they've re-released it. Right. And, and look, you know, a lot of people just don't like the advice 'cause it's kind of simple. Yeah. Like, it's all about not making mistakes, you know? That's, and and really they had opportunities. The best investors do. Yeah. They had opportunities other people didn't have because they were able to build a really good moat and a reputation. Early people brought them more, they saw more deals, but the truth is they just stayed in the game longer than anyone. Yeah. Like the compounding effect. Like they always talk about if you stopped Warren Buffet at age whatever, 61, he'd only be worth whatever. Yeah . This many million. But now it's , you take to seven , like 20 it's billion, billion, billion just because of the compounding. And that really just speaks to that, which is really good. So Yeah. I , I find that this guy is not an annoying , um, interviewer, which , uh, a lot of that helps podcasters are Patrick O'Shaughnessy, he's a smart guy. O Jack Hennessy. Yeah, Osho Nae . Yeah . Yeah. Get around there . That's the , that's the name of the principle in that Kim Peel skit . Oh, AA Ron . Oh, a with the country name . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . And he is like O Osha Hennessy. Osha Hennessy I think . Yeah . <laugh> funny you mention that. Actually, I , um, I did listen to Jeff Bezos on Lex and I, I mean I listened to it. It was, it was , it was, it was fine. I was doing some work and it , it was just pumping into the background. I can't help but think the bazos a little bit of a, but you know, has achieved amazing things. Right. Sure . You cannot Sure He is dispute that, but but that was one where you're like, Lex, like ask him some. Yeah . Get that . Like , okay, he said that. Now go deeper. Like it was , why didn't you ask him why he flew so many private jets to a , an environmental conservation summit? Like why didn't you hit him up on that <laugh> ? Like, but yeah, so call him out on his. So like, you know, there's a nice story that's told there by Bezos, but I learned something about Bezos, not on that pod, but on something else that he, so , uh, what was it the year that he, when he became a millionaire, his first million, which came through Amazon when they were selling books. Okay . Within a year of that milestone, he became a billionaire. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that something? Wow. Yeah. That's huge. I mean , he became a millionaire 12 months later. It was a billionaire. And this is all based on the value of the Amazon stocks. Yeah . Right . It wasn't like cash in reserves natural money. Yeah. But yeah, you're like, me. Like that just speaks to such like a jump that you almost can't fathom. Yes. Right. Especially when you are looking at people say Warren Buffet and stuff, who will keep playing the game, keep playing the game compounding and it's, you know, well, okay, so this is something maybe some people don't know , uh, about. 'cause through that founder's podcast, he's gone super deep on Bezos. Right. And I've learned a lot from him doing three or four episodes around different stages of Bezos's career. Yeah . But , um, essentially, this is something I got out of it, which I thought was very interesting. He was in finance and he was looking at the activity on the internet in the early, early nineties, mid nineties. And he saw, he was looking at activity on the internet and it was increasing at 2,200 and something percent per month. You think about what 10% compounding does. Over time, he was like, the amount of activity on the internet right now is crazy. And he was in a really good job. And he said, why aren't there shops on the internet if the internet is growing at this insane rate? I can't remember the exact number, but they call it the Bezos number that made him decide within his economic, you know, frame of thinking, mathematical thinking. He was like, you know what, I'm gonna leave this kind of, I don't know which firm he worked for, but like a Goldman Sachs esque job. He said to his boss, we need to get up on this internet. And boss was like, nah man, don't do that. Just stay here and work. He's like, alright , I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go do this thing. And I think eventually that guy did invest, but Wow . Bezos just looked at it and just went, they , everything's store . That was his vision. He started with books because it was really easy. Yeah. And then he , but he always had that vision for bigger things. It's outrageous. It's outrageous that , that he was selling books. Yeah. <laugh> to what it is now. Yeah. And you know what actually the most profitable of their businesses is a , uh, AWS Yeah. Web services. Yeah. Which was never planned. Right. But it was a similar thing. He was like, there's all these websites, there's all these activity. These people need cloud storage. Like when cloud became a thing, he is like, we'll be the Amazon of that away. You go. That's wild, man. It's , it's pretty intense. But that's the coolest thing, guys. You can listen and learn for free from experts. And that's why I think podcasting is such a revolution. Even though obviously we had radio shows, we had TV shows. You can just access the smartest people in the world. You don't have to go to Harvard, you don't have to study at these institutions and learn awesome lessons. So I'm, I'm stoked on it. You can't, can't convince me otherwise. It's , it's the best. Yeah . All about pods. Yeah. Well, let's , uh, we will put some links in the show notes. You wanna check 'em out? 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