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It feels good. It looks good. And you ladies and gentlemen can get a discount if you go to perry athletics.com when you go to check out , put in the code Bulletproof 20 and you get 20% off. Oh yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJ podcast. Are you a BJ J Dad? You might be a BJJ mum . Yeah . What about the moms bro? Yeah. Well, no, because are we also alienating the non-parent listeners right now? We might be. People are like, no, I'm not next podcast. Yeah. Well, no, you, you may become, you may become one. So that's where the conversation's relevant. Right. So stay with me friends. I have noticed a trend and that's why I wanted to talk about this because it surprised me. I go to a jiujitsu club and I, it's not my club. Great, great joint, great instructor. Very good. And I speak to three different men and I say to them, oh , how long have you been training? Yeah, a couple months. Cool. Amazing. How'd you get into this? Oh, my son does. BJJ I've been watching him. It looks like fun. He's been training for a year and I was like, I had to bite the bullet. I had to join jujitsu. And now they're loving it and it's only because their kids did it. They weren't talking about Helio Gracie, they weren't talking about the UFC. It's because they're spending that time sitting there watching their kid kind of get after it and be like, maybe that could be me. You know? And, and , and it was intriguing to me that each different dad, now, I haven't spoken to any jiujitsu moms lately, so forgive me. Our five lady listeners that basically , uh, it was the kids that got the dads into Jiujitsu, not the other way around . Mm . Because previously I had thought, and now you , you could probably speak to this Joe , that there's jiujitsu dads out there that are like, huh , soon as he can walk, we're passing guard . You know, you get you , you're like, I love Jiujitsu. I want my son to do Jiujitsu and or daughter, my kid your kid, I should say. Yeah . And then there's, and then that plays like that. Have you had thoughts about how you would get young Leo into BJJ? Yeah, yeah. Of course. I'm , I'm not particularly passionate about, oh , he's gotta do it. Right . You know , you know, you could probably pick that up. Like, I'm , I think this year I'm gonna take him to a class and just, you know, see if he likes it. Yeah . But , um, yeah, for sure. Like, I think any parent, right? If you're doing jitsu you're like, oh , I want to expose my kid to it. Hopefully they can like it too. Um, I'm not surprised the , like that other , that thing you mentioned though, like the , the reverse thing where it's like the kids are training and then the parent joins because of that. I've , I've kind of observed that a lot and it is a real, like, I, yeah . It's a real thing. Right . And I think for, for a lot of academies, that's a really kind of strong , um, acquisition stream for new members. Building the community. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, how do we grow members? All right . Hey, we've got the kids program that's going off. All right , let's, let's invite their parents in, let's you know. Yeah, for sure. Because the , the , you don't wanna get your kicked by a 5-year-old <laugh> . No, I think it probably , it all comes down to like self ego preservation at the end of the day, how far ahead can you stay? Have you <laugh> how far ahead? It's no longer like, I don't know if you ever had this when you're a kid though . I don't know . Everyone's different. But your parent might go, they just want you to get in the car quick, but they're like, race you to the car. Like, who, who gets the car first? Yeah. You know, my dad would almost never let me win <laugh> . Yeah . My dad would take like , try and up , gotta teach him about failure. He needs to understand losing, he needs to know <laugh> . I've seen really savage video about a American football coach just wrecking his like 5-year-old son in basketball. Like his son puts up a little shot to a little basketball hoop and he just comes through and just smashes it out. <laugh>, you know, just, stay out. <laugh> my house. Um, I used to , um, when I, so my, my, you know, my stepdaughter Yes. My daughter. But when I first came on the scene with her, yeah . We'd often be at the park and you know, it would, you know, we'd be playing and it'd turn into like a race of some kind. Sure . And um, you know, I'm the youngest of three. Right. So I understand the lessons that come with having an older sister and older brother. Of course I understand the importance of getting your kicked, like figurative, figuratively or literally like Yeah . Yeah . She didn't right. She was an only child. Oh. And , uh, shock and it came clear to me that mom and dad always let her win the race. Oh. And I was like, you're about to learn some. <laugh> beat Daddy Joe's come to teach and teach you a lesson. It came to tears a few times 'cause I did let her win <laugh> . I was like, ah , okay, maybe I can, maybe I can balance it out. Little wind sometimes destroy her a few other times it's like, okay, Hadie , we're gonna learn how to play rugby league <laugh>, you run at me first. Yeah. Early on in the, in my jujitsu journey, when I would talk to people, how did you get into BJJ? They would say, oh , you know, I , Hicks and Gracie, or, you know, the early UFCs, you know, hoist Gracie. So many people had that kind of a chat . And then maybe I think later down the path I was hearing people say, oh, like I was watching the UFC and then , uh, this guy did this crazy move and people talk about BJJ or I heard Joe Rogan talking about it. You know, there's all these different ways that people can connect with Brazilian jiujitsu, but this is the thing that really surprised me. These are three different guys training at the same gym, but it was their kids. And also shout out to our friend Samoan strongman. Same thing for him. He'd kind of been around jujitsu. He's probably more towards the kickboxing side of things, but because his son just started getting real good at it and he is like, dang, like , oh , why haven't I done this? You know? Yeah . I gotta get back. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I dunno if this is true, this is just a very general saying. They say that kids force you to, to kind of be young in a way. Like you have to get up off the couch and go to the park. You have to go and do something that you don't necessarily want to do. Yeah. But in so doing, it's good for you. Yeah . Like you , you get exposed to yourself obviously being a lazy slub. Yeah. I mean, you know, hopefully <laugh> fingers crossed. Yeah. And, and no, it was, it was really cool because I was thinking about this to a greater extent because what was expressed to me by this gym owner was he said, 70% of our students are kids. I was like, what the? They got a pretty, pretty decent sized gym. I was like, wow. That's huge. Because obviously just on sheer numbers, you can fit more bodies on the map when you've got kids doing kids class. And he didn't say, oh , this is our client acquisition strategy. He just said, oh, we've got this great kids class. And so parents hang out and they talk. Right. And they're , you know, kids are doing their thing. Andre like, oh , you know, what do you do and what do I do? And then eventually your buddy on the mats choking each other. It's like, oh , this is glorious. I love this. What a , what a great kids a way to get together. It's better than say like, parent teacher night and you gotta get together and complain about the teachers. Did you ever see , um, the Brazilian film Elite squad? Yeah. Oh my god. Uh , Trump Elite . Trump Elite . that . Is she kill a film recommendation, by the way, if you're looking for one elite squad's, the English translation, oh my god. So good. But the sequel, did you ever see that one? No. Please enlighten. It's , um, yeah, classic sequel. Not quite as good. However, still very watchable. The, you know, the , the main guy , um, he's now like kind of one of the heads of the , the squad right . In the headquarters. But they have a, they have to tell me like they train there. Oh wow. You know, and it's kind of just like, it's not even a big deal, but it's just like, of course they do. They're like elite squad guys and they train jis. They fight and kill people and shoot assault rifles and. But yeah, he rolls with his son in it. There's a couple of scenes with it . And I just remember watching that being like, oh , that's so dope. And he's a black belt. His son's like a , a juvenile belt of some kind. Yeah. Who the knows anything about the juvenile belt, <laugh>, gray, black, white stripe. Yeah. A little unicorn sticker on the end check. But yeah. And I , I remember watching that being like, oh , that's so dope. Like, how cool being able to like just roll like that with your kid. Like, it's very easy for that to happen. Right. If you have a kid and you're still training jits, like, well you can totally do that. Yeah . I think that seeing that exchange, you know, it's very hard to have that. We speak about the intimacy of juujitsu and Sure . How it's very unique in that way. Right? Mm . Is closeness with another person and take from that what you like to have that with your kid. Yeah . If you don't have a culture in your family of like, let's have a little wrestle hugging or let's hug. Yeah . Whatever. Like if you're not housing , juujitsu will bring so much new stuff to like your relationship. Yeah. Why not ? Well , you've got your kid trying to single leg you all the time. <laugh> . Yeah . You're just standing there at , you know, washing some dishes or something. Kid shoots a double and you are like. Boom , push the head down. I'm a part of that kid . Take that back. Well, it's funny 'cause my dad, I didn't realize that, you know, my dad is actually a Judo brown belt and he, since I was a kid, he was always like ing me and like tripping me. And like I just, you know, like, ah , this guy, he always finds a way to make me fall down on the ground. But there have been some times when, you know, dad's had a few drinks in and , uh, he's wanted to grapple. And I think when both dad and or mother and and son or mother and daughter know how to grapple, it changes. Hugging exchanges, <laugh> . Yeah . You know, are you going for double unders? Yeah . You know , like a hug becomes pummeling , cuddle turns into a Yeah. Grip fight. Yeah. And it's like, oh , I got the under hook . He's got the over hook foot sweep go. Yeah . So there was a one time, oh it was a particular Christmas a couple years ago, and I, I had said to my dad, I don't know why, it just occurred to me, you know, my dad's exceptionally good at playing guitar. And I said to him, you should show me how to play guitar. I don't know why it had never occurred to me. I just, you know, I got stumpy digits anyway. But , um, he was so stoked that bad for guitar. Yeah. You need the long slender dextrous fingers. Right. Jujitsu's definitely not helped me with that. And he , he was so stoked and he'd waited all day to have this guitar lesson with me. And so, but he had a bunch of drinks, <laugh> and , uh, I , I came in the house, my parents house and uh , I was like, oh , okay, we're gonna do this guitar lesson. Came and gave him a bit of a hug and he like went for like a hard high underhook. Oh . I was like, oh , what's going on here? And he started like working the kind of footwork on me and I'm like, trying to bring the hips in. Are you gonna throw me right now? We're on tiles mate. Mom's like, don't do it. Don't do it. You'll smash the tiles. <laugh> <laugh> that just smashed this hip bone ram . I was like, I was like, I've been doing a little bit judo like, don't, don't come at me old guy. I am , I'm gonna give it to you . Anyway, he ended up turning and he tried to do like a tom , like a , a stomach throw. That's where, where you kind of catch both arms or lapels. You put a foot in the stomach, roll backwards and you kick 'em over. Right. Like kind of , you tried to pull that just like on tiles casually in the living room. <laugh> in the kitchen. It is a safe one in a way. 'cause you lower to the ground. Yeah , right . Okay . But I kind of felt where , 'cause he went from the under hook . He spun to the front and then he started bringing my weight onto him and I'm like, I dunno where this is going. He picks a foot up and I'm like, that's like a bad guard pool . I'm not, but I didn't really think about it. I was like, I just shook him off and he just fell back and just slammed on the Oh . And I was like , oh, my mom's like, oh , you're gonna break your dad's back. You couldn't even give your dad that. Just that little moment. Just that little that little moment of glory. that. He's , but then he was kind of like on the ground, but maybe a little bit winded, but he's like, come on, juujitsu guy, pass my guard. And he was like on the ground with his legs up and I was like, kid the up. I was like, this is not gonna end well. We , we meant to do a guitar lesson. Come on. So I helped him up and then he kept trying to foot trip me and <laugh> until we sat down. But it was, it was cool. And the funny thing is he put up with 15 years of TaeKwonDo from me. Yeah. Even though he has been a grappler, he knew you were a the whole time. <laugh> at this . Just in his head. He's just like, just like T boy tie . He is like this TaeKwonDo. slammed this guy on the floor. You know about that snap kick this . Anyway , <laugh> no full respect to the TKD fans. You worry about the Muay Hai guys. Um, no, I , in truth , um, my dad came up in pretty hardcore old school judo where they didn't even have tatar me . They were learning to break fall on like wooden floors and. Oh wow. Like just brutal to the body. Anyway, it , it's interesting that he never pushed me to do grappling, but once I started doing grappling and then also training judo, he was so pleased. You know, it just made his life. He was just like, yeah, my boy's a grappler. Yeah. <laugh> . Like he was, you know, mission accomplished, you know, so he was, I think he was pretty stoked on that. And I think it's nice because my mom always wanted me to play an instrument and I just kind of didn't give a. And they wanted me to play piano, also didn't care. And my mom just, I think she thought it would just be good for me to do because she never really got much of an opportunity around that. My sisters got into it. That's cool. My younger sister, Kate White , shout out, she's a musician, she's a legend. Big producer boss for the show. Salute. Um, but yeah, it's, it's one of those things, having that connection with your kid with something you both really love, that's pretty special. Yeah, it is. It's, yeah , you're not gonna , it's really hard to get it anywhere else. And I think particularly in our culture where it's often hard for, like, like I , I'm , I'm speaking to the males here because, you know, for for mothers, I think it's easier to, to have the intimacy possibly. And , and I mean, I don't, you know, I think maybe our generation struggle less with this because Sure . We didn't get a lot of that from our dads. That's right. Yeah . So we're like, you know, I'm like hyper affectionate with my, with my kids. Yeah , for sure. Um, culturally you find it a bit difficult to bridge that gap. Like juujitsu just like, just smashes through that. Yeah. Yeah. Now you're cuddling and . But we're fighting, so it's cool. Yeah. It's allowed . Yeah. Um, so yeah, man, I just, the reason why I wanted to talk about this, 'cause it goes into that more, that setting an example and the thing that I've disliked probably in the last 10 years is this idea that, oh , you know, it's a dad bod. What's a dad bod look like? Oh , you can be outta shape, you can be a , you know, you can kind of be just unhealthy and that's okay because you are a dad because meeting your responsibilities for your family is being unhealthy. That's just . Like, that's no good to anyone. <laugh> like Yeah. Admittedly, when you're a parent, you know, mother or father Yeah. You , your , your family comes first. Your obligations come first. But if your health is not supported, you can't, you're not useful. Mm-Hmm . Like how can you, how can you be good if you're, if you're exhausted or sick or any of those things. And really that comes from the habits of just regularly doing things that are good for you. So I think this idea of the justification of like being unhealthy because you're a parent is just. I get why? Because I can see my friends with young kids not getting sleep and you know, not having the best diet and all these things, but ultimately still doing some exercise and still looking after yourself is important. And to lose that like is kind of defeating the purpose. You know, people who often put, like, I , I see this probably in my mom , put everyone else's needs above their own because they kind of like people pleasing. Like, just wanna make sure everyone's good. You're okay. It's a very , um, maternal, it's a , it's a common thing , right? Instinct. Yeah. But then , or like , or Yeah. Characteristic. But if then they're sick or they're , they're no good, then how, how can you, how is that sustainable? Yeah. How do you continue to serve? You just can't. And so really you do have to, you know, you , you can't help anyone swim if you are drowning. And that , that can be applied to all facets of life, juujitsu business, everything. So what I like about this idea of kids doing jiujitsu, their parents doing juujitsu, it's this really positive thing that kind of goes up. That the discussions are around, let's drink some water and let's do some exercise. And, and it , it's still got the community and the family element in there, which is just incredible. So I was just so stoked to see these dads training and their kids. So I believe there was a kids class before they had sat and waited and watched their kids train and then they trained and then their kids were kind of playing on the side while they, you know, their kids were like seven and eight. Yeah. It was cool. I was like, this is great. That was the same thing when I went to the Legacy in Wollongong. Yeah. On , uh, around Christmas time . The same vibe kids class first and then, you know, open Matt afterwards. And , um, but it was really cool 'cause you know, the kids that were frothing just came and jumped in on that. Nice. And I , I can't remember, I don't even know who it was, but someone was like, Hey man, my son wants to roll with you. And he was six Right. And he was like, I'm gonna get you black belt or some <laugh> . And I'm like, all bye <inaudible> . Let's go. And like we had put him in a scarf hole . Yeah. Mother's milk. Oh , we had a , we had a sick roll, but it was like, it was like a heap of fun, you know , and just that's a real rite of passage kind of thing. Yeah. The young males going out on a hunt with the older males. Sure. Or you know, learning how to butcher the animal or, yeah . I don't know . learning construct. Like you think about more primal sort of skills. Skills, yeah. It's like we had a lot of rites of passage I guess prior to industrial revolution. Yeah. Right. Like when we were living more on the land and stuff. And , um, I think arguably like that's, we know that that's had a detrimental effect losing a lot of that . Yeah, for sure. And so this yeah, it's such a nice way to, to kind of bring a bit back in. Yeah. Well it helps define , um, order and hierarchy, which actually, even though people might respond negatively to those words, it's actually good for us <laugh> it's good to know that that person is ahead of you, whether it be age, experience, skill, because you have something to calibrate off. Yeah. Whereas now it's like, it's very difficult to have something tangible where you a a healthy measuring stick where if the measuring stick is just likes popularity attention and that's actually not based off any kind of meaningful skill or character trait other than look at me, I can get attention. That has quite a, I would say a negative influence on the way people look at the world because it's got nothing to do with personal development. Yeah. And I would, I would make the case that like a strong attraction for a lot of people for Juujitsu. I know. It's for me too is the hierarchy. Sure. It , you know, it is. And unless , so for like the hardcore nogi enthusiasts who have just come in through that. Sure. But if you've come in through the gee realm and the belts and that there's something, there's something very powerful about entering an environment, being the lowest rank, working, working, working, struggling, working, getting rewarded to the next rank. Yeah. Being like, oh wow, I got a bit of status now. Yeah. This is not in any way condoning like abusing your status. No, but it's just, there's a system, like there's a structure and you move your way through it and it's, you know, through perseverance and dedication and focus. That's how you, you know, progress I think. Yeah. That's why martial arts probably always been a very popular thing . Thousands of years. Yeah. Yeah . We all need purpose. We all crave recognition and we all want belonging. So that's just all, it's in this nice tidy bundle if you're prepared to accept the kind of terms and conditions, which is pretty hard work. Yeah . Bad , bad news , bad and bad news, bad fingers. But no man, it's, it's so good. I think the, the thing of BCJ dads and moms, we're gonna see a whole generation of people who got into it because of their kids. And I think that's a, that's a great thing. Yeah. Agreed. Alright , my friends now just quickly before we finish up, I wanted to , uh, just ask you guys a favor. Now, I was in the states recently and they love to tip in America. Look , if someone's really nice to you and they help you out, you're like, wow , I , I want to give back to this person. And that's a, it's a nice thing. You feel good doing it and they're like, oh wow . They appreciate that. 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