Episode 319: Nose beers, steroids and Lady boys! Sounds like the Hang Over movie but as entertaining as the rockstar, influencer life appears- is this good for the culture of BJJ? Openly promoting steroid use to make money is questionable, some might say it's just honest and real. But is this the type of person you want teaching your kids BJJ class?
In the rush to be entertaining and keep up with social media trends Jiu-Jitsu has more and more of it's top performers functioning as Rockstars more than role models which makes sense if you are trying to stay in the spotlight as long as possible. But the spotlight fades fast! Has the need to be popular on social media made BJJ top practitioners lose purpose? Or has modern BJJ just grown up differently and are certain values a thing of the past?
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Episode 319: Nose beers, steroids and Lady boys! Sounds like the Hang Over movie but as entertaining as the rockstar, influencer life appears- is this good for the culture of BJJ? Openly promoting steroid use to make money is questionable, some might say it's just honest and real. But is this the type of person you want teaching your kids BJJ class?
In the rush to be entertaining and keep up with social media trends Jiu-Jitsu has more and more of it's top performers functioning as Rockstars more than role models which makes sense if you are trying to stay in the spotlight as long as possible. But the spotlight fades fast! Has the need to be popular on social media made BJJ top practitioners lose purpose? Or has modern BJJ just grown up differently and are certain values a thing of the past?
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Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. Has BJJ lost its soul? We are entertained by cocaine, snorting, steroid abusing, ladyboy, chasing maniacs, and we love it. We find it so entertaining, it's good vibes. But is that the kind of person you want to teach your 10-year-old how to live life? No, that's not so, even though we find Craig Jones Mr Craig Jones possibly the most entertaining man in jiu-jitsu. A breath of fresh air. A breath of stank, hungover beer, you know piffled air, but I mean, whatever the guy's doing it, he's winning. Even more successful athletes admit he's entertaining. They find him entertaining. Yeah, you see all the other athletes comment on his staff, even Merengali. Yeah, like he's excellent, right, I think he's great for the sport. And this is not a smear campaign on him. No, no, no, this is not a takedown piece. So, yeah, so this is the paradox, isn't it? The competing thing is like, fuck, yeah, breath of fresh air, bring in some humor, some entertainment, some good vibes.
Speaker 1:But then you start to feel like a bit of a traditionalist because you're like man. You're fucking talking about doing steroids publicly and snorting cocaine. It's like there's kids watching that shit. They're idolizing you. And it's like there's kids watching that shit. They're idolizing you. And there is young kids. There's photos of kids doing the nose beers. Well, there was that kid. It was a flag grappling reel or something. That kid was like after Craig won. And that kid was like Craig nose beers after. And someone who, I think maybe someone who commented on it like that's my son. He's a huge Craig fan, he's 10 years old. We're doing that shit.
Speaker 1:I think the thing is this what we admire and what we're entertained by, like, for example, the adcc those guys aren't tested. The biggest, baddest monsters in the world are all on heaps of steroids. Do we want to encourage, uh, young people to be on steroids? No, we don't encourage anyone to be on steroids. But when you look at who's being successful, like, that's my hero, that's who I want to be like, that looks like that's the model right, or that's the role model.
Speaker 1:Now it's almost like gangster rappers. Many gangster rappers will say oh, I'm an entertainer, I'm not a role model. I'm not here to tell you how to live your life. I'm just living my best life because they're just doing whatever they can. They didn't have good education, they didn't have good upbringing. They're just trying to do their thing and they get paid well to do that. Well, they used to be in the 90s, now streaming fuck the whole game up.
Speaker 1:But um, the thing is this are you going to leave your young child in the care of a babysitter who does cocaine steroids? Or are you going to leave your young child around, say, like a grandma who's going to cook them food and look after them and teach them some values and tell them not to burn their hand and send them to bed on time. Put them to bed on time because that's actually what we need. Like what you want and what's sensational is very different to what you need, but at the moment, what's making jujitsu popular, or what is popular in jujitsu, is this sensational stuff which is not good for the soul. Fuck, I can taste the hatred that's going to come in on the comments on this. Bring it already. Bring it.
Speaker 1:It's going to be the same people that hated when you were talking you were like not smoking weed, and they're like just weed advocates that were like oh, thanks, dad, like yeah, I'm captain, dad, I'm the voice of reason, I'm here to be that guy. I'm here to be boring. I'm here to be a doctor, unsexy because why You're going to fucking pay for it later, when you're 50 years old with a fucking weed habit and your liver doesn't work because you abuse steroids and you're still trying to kick your binge drinking on the weekends. What you want your fucking kids to see? That no, you just haven't updated what you need to do and we are in our infancy in jujitsu that we're kind of like 16 years old, like, oh, this is cool, this is popular, this is getting the likes.
Speaker 1:But if jujitsu kind of continues on in this path and we don't have a gsp or we don't have like a rose number unis, we don't have like a humble, well-meaning champion, it's going to be, I think, difficult, I think it's unsustainable to see the future of jiu-jitsu grow under just whatever's cool and whatever's hot. Right, yeah, I mean my impression is that Craig, like we're not going to see another Craig for a long time, I would think. I think we'll see other Craigs, maybe not the same. Yeah, we'll see people maybe have a crack, but in the same way of the Conor McGregor thing. Right, we've seen people attempt, but you're like fuck, no, he was like a meteor in that way. And I think you're seeing other people come through in different ways. Yeah, but I just I think that he has come.
Speaker 1:He's such a unique character because, like he's bringing this Aussie thing which to us is like it's normal, it's just a larrikin, he's just a guy. Yeah, he's just fucking having a laugh, but like to the world audience, they're like what the fuck is this guy? This dude is hilarious. I don't even know what he just said. You know, like it's a certain time where jujitsu is now coming out of this like traditionalist kind of heritage, right, this old school thing, sure, and so now it's like stepping up the new game and whatever. But could we not have really good jujitsu without all the social fuckery? Do you know, could someone not be famous for being a good person as opposed to being… no, absolutely, I just think that… I don't think that say what we're seeing of him would necessarily be a sign of what's… Like there's more of that coming and that the culture would be headed there, because I think that it's just… it's very hard to produce more of him.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I think it's amplified. Like before we had 35-year-old guys on steroids, or 45-year-old guys on steroids. Now it's Micah Galvaum, 19-year-old vegan on steroids. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's just younger, it's just younger generation. Like what we're seeing in jiu-jitsu is younger people in jiu-jitsu doing better.
Speaker 1:Arguably, the steroids thing was like that predates Craig, no, no, no, of course, right, in that way, I want to get away from craig. I want to get. Oh, he is a highlight of success through social media in terms of popularity, making money, stuff like this. So he, he's just one point of reference. But uh, what I'm saying is, in this age of social media, where what is sensational and what gets um shown more is is like attitude and and big characters and drama, you know, which has come from the world of entertainment, which is not the world of martial arts, yeah, but because jujitsu is trying to get into this space and make more money and be entertaining is.
Speaker 1:My question is this is it possible for jiu-jitsu to come up with an alternative which is somebody who is not horribly boring, is really good at jiu-jitsu but is also like, clean, like I mean? So, roberto jimenez, he's like a really interesting guy. Right, the natural he's. He's contesting you for the title, joe fucking guy. He is living on an organic. I've never seen him do his seminar tour in australia, but if he does, you'll challenge him. Let's go, bro, absolute world champion. No, let's not do any jiu-jitsu. No, just show me how clean your diet is. I think he's living on organic avocados in columbia. It's hard to beat papayas and just climbing.
Speaker 1:I do love that guy. He's got a mystique about him. There is an interesting vibe to him which is he's just so Kind of like a lone wolf, semi-spiritual. Yeah. Yeah, there's an interesting thing about him and I think he does epitomize a real I don't want to say pure jiu-jitsu, but he just trains jiu-jitsu. He's very open about not doing steroids and living a very natural connected. You know, I think there's a. There's a, there is an ethic to him. I don't fully understand it. I've never actually met him. I'd love to talk to him about it, but he's an. He's probably one example, right.
Speaker 1:But what I'm wondering is, in this social media game that everyone's playing, everyone's looking for Cody Steele doing the suplex, breaking some dude's back, like, yeah, cody Steele really touched a note for you, didn't he Make him bleed? I think Cody Steele's probably not the nicest guy in the world. He seems lovely. Have you seen his pictures with Nora? I look at their picture. I'm like, oh, they seem like a lovely couple. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1:I follow his social media and he seems like a jerk and I stopped following him because I was like I can't cop this. I can't take this personality online. He might be a nice person in person. I haven't actually met him in person, so you're, and what he says online is not great. I don't love his online persona. I can say that, right, fair, absolutely, right, absolutely, and everyone's trying to put this out there, right? Yeah? People might say they don't like my online persona. Fuck, perish the thought, yeah, and I just say go, fuck yourself. Yeah, and I just keep that real. I don't mind, I'm not here to bring the truth sometimes.
Speaker 1:So I tell you an interesting thing, um, and it's talking about craig again, but this, this, um, this thing about cocaine, right, which which here, like in australia and in america, is like the elite drug. Sure, it's like, if you're expensive, you got money and you, you know, and you got class. Whatever cocaine's the drug you're doing, it's just expensive. This is the, this is the kind of status that's tied to it. Yeah, very fascinating though, and I don't know if you encountered this, but in Brazil, cocaine is really looked down upon. Of course, it's disgusting. It's what junkies use. It's what we thought of heroin in the 90s, sure, and what we now think of like meth, meth, you're like, that is street people. What are you doing? Yeah, like that is fine.
Speaker 1:And also and I picked this up in South America generally that, like, it's got a really horrible reputation because you go to a country like Colombia, you can see communities that have actually been destroyed, destroyed by it Because of these drug wars right, there is blood in that powder, yeah. And so drug wars right, there's blood in that powder, yeah. And so, and you know, you only got to read a little bit about it to realize, whoa, like you, buying a bag is actually. It's part of this people's time. People have horrible violence, right, yeah, and manipulation and whatever.
Speaker 1:I will never know because I'm not a, you know, like a brazilian native, but it would be interesting to know how the non-english speaking side of the jiu-jitsu community perception, yeah, how they view that whole thing, if they're even viewing it. Or are they like, oh, this is fucked. Or are they like, oh, this is funny. I think this guy's hilarious. No, I think craig's done whatever he can to upset the brazilian community because he knows that's not what he represents. It's true, he's done deliberately offensive stuff towards the ibjjf, towards people who train in the Gi. He mocks Brazil's role in jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1:In the same way, keenan's very interesting because he's trying to really advocate for this idea of American jiu-jitsu and that upsets a lot of people too. Right, and Keenan is a very kind of boring, nerdy guy. But he's smart, he knows what he's about. He has done very well to market his gym, right. So I don't. I don't really love listening to keenan talk. I find that he can be really fucking in his own bag, loves himself too much and just wants to hear himself talk. But he's smart and he has insight. So sometimes there's some gems in there and he's done very well. Legion Jiu-Jitsu is doing exceptionally well and it's pretty hard to argue with him on the American Jiu-Jitsu thing because he's fucking done his research.
Speaker 1:Sonny Brown had a pretty good retort on that. Oh, please. Sonny Brown posted some clips from Australian newspapers showing Australian Jiu-Jitsu mentions that predate Keenan's American Jiu-jitsu references and he's like so shouldn't it be Australian jiu-jitsu? Maybe, yeah, it's from like the 1915 or some shit. Yeah, or maybe yeah, japanese people have been immigrating around the world for a long time to extend the influence for then things to grow. No, we taught it to them what, no? So then, coming back to the topic here, I I think there was a shift, and I don't know the exact time period, but it was around the conor mcgregor ascendancy. But it was also ronda rousey, right, there was a point in time when dana white said women's mma. No, I will not have that. You find those clips. He just thought it was a disgusting idea Until you found the juggernaut moneymaker which they built up, which was Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 1:And Ronda Rousey in my opinion, someone who's come from a judo background and judo is all about respect and bowing and all these things showed the most blatant disrespect to opponents Didn't shake their hands, was just a fuckwit. Basically, such a bitch, such a bitch. Great to watch? No, I don't even think so. I love watching her fucking rip through competitors. I never, never on that bandwagon, loved seeing her get completely smashed. I love that too. Yeah, that was great. Holly Hahn oh, it was so good, right. But here's the thing I love that too. Yeah, that was great. It's all part of oh it was so good, right. But I? Here's the thing, right, it's.
Speaker 1:This is a personal bias aside, I'm just looking at at trends within popularity of martial arts. You see the ascendancy of the douchebag. Conor McGregor is the smack talking man and you've got Rhonda also being a smack talker. It's wwe-esque. Yeah, level promotion. Wait, did. Did ronda talk smack? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, she would, she would talk smack.
Speaker 1:Obviously not, wasn't, wasn't in rhyming couplets, it wasn't the muhammad ali-esque. Yeah, you know it wasn't calling her shot, it was just like disrespectful. Disrespectful and bringing bringing drama, because that's what sells fights, right, yeah? So what we saw less of is GSP went out the game.
Speaker 1:Rose Namajunas is all about being respectful and be a good person and I think she's Christian. It was very much about God and these things, which aren't necessarily popular. But you see the fighting skills and you're like that's undisputed. She pretty much knocked out joanna, she knocked out she, or she knocked down and tk'd out uh, waley zhang, I think in the second round, head kick ko waley, yeah, yeah. So you're like first, amazing, right, like, yeah, yeah, and she, she is a very yeah, the whole, the whole marketing thing doesn't have any bearing on on their abilities as a fighter. Yes, and so we can see what gets popular on social media, like our podcast doesn't rate next to ex-porn stars talking about their gangbang or how many dicks they sucked. Right, they're getting millions of views. I'll talk about sucking dicks if it'll get you guys to click on this shit.
Speaker 1:What is popular and what gets attention isn't necessarily what is good for us. This is what I'm trying to get back to and that really we do jujitsu because it's good for us. We're not getting into jujitsu because it's a rock star lifestyle and everyone's doing steroid and cocaine. That's not what you came for. Even though obviously never trained at 10th, it's entertaining, right, and you know there are some people out there living that rock star lifestyle Like I think about. There's a bit more of it now.
Speaker 1:But I mean I was going to say like what about B-Team? But you're like no, like there's all these guys who are like hardcore athletes. And then there's Craig who's like hardcore athlete, also tears it up on the dance floor. Yeah, what you don't see about these guys is their life's pretty boring. They train yeah, it's athlete life. They eat, take their steroids, go to sleep, get up and do it all again. Yeah, they're not out there living the rock star lifestyle. And he you know Craig has chosen to do that because it is entertaining and that's how he's being more influential through being entertaining. But what is his influence? This is the question I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I know that in human behavior, what we need and what we want are two different things. We want the sensational thing, we want that oh, that looks cool, oh, that's hot. But as much as you could idealize a man or a woman for being really hot, and then you find out that they're a real scammy, low-down, traitorous, terrible person. You go oh, I don't know if I want to. Actually, as much as they seem desirable on all these kind of primal levels, you wouldn't want them as your friend, you wouldn't want them as your… Just hit it once and then get the fuck out, hit it and quit it.
Speaker 1:Why am I saying this? Because I'm not sure if I'm seeing the emergence of great role models in jujitsu who are still funny, right, setting the example and and leading the way. You know what I mean. Like most people who are setting a good example have the worst social media ever. Yeah, I mean it. It potentially opens up a whole nother topic here, but I do think that where, like where jujitsu is dropping the ball right now, yeah, is that the people at the top of the game are not good at being influencers. No, they're just good at jujitsu and we are seeing a few right.
Speaker 1:Fionn davies is one. Sure she's funny. Adele, adele, like she's. You know she's start, you know she's starting. You can see she's starting to like show a bit of you know, a bit of humor and a bit of like character with yeah and so, um, and there's a bunch right could could go on about it, but there's this like lack of influences in jujitsu. So when you get someone that's like actually I'm just gonna fucking influence hard, you get a craig jones. They've got this captive audience that are like starved for like a bit of fun shit to watch. Like I don't need another entry to the fucking ashi garami, I've already got 45 that I don't know how to use. But show me some clip of you with ladyboys in thailand. That's my man, let's go and. And so I think that, um, I think that there is hopefully uh, you know I'm being optimistic, but I'm hoping there is a rise in this. Like you know, jujitsu creators who are putting cool shit out there and and and starting to become people of influence, not just for their athletic exploits. It seems that, like, I think jujitsu is a really good example of, like the older brother, you know he's. You know Chewy, I know he's watching, not really, but anyway, he's a lovely guy.
Speaker 1:Nick Allen yeah, we met him at last AD. I met him at last AD, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a big rig. He trains, you see him training a lot, but then sometimes he can be a little bit boring, like, even though his advice is good, he's got a sense of humor, doesn't take himself too seriously like maybe the Raspberry Ape. But a little bit boring in terms of like how we can be a little bit boring too. Probably similar. Yeah, like same shit, right, probably similar. Yeah, I mean, a lot of what we're talking about is kind of dry at times. At times, yeah, you know, like you should eat three square meals and try to sleep eight hours. It's like, how dare you, joey? I want to hear Joey talking about sucking dicks again. Joey, tell us another story, bro. All right, guys, one more. But I think you look at the Raspberry 8.
Speaker 1:He is quite a humorous guy If you dig down into it, even though you see him always doing like strongman things. If you hear him interviewed, he's actually pretty deep philosophically, but he also doesn't take himself too seriously, correct? He will joke around, though I would say his through his exclusive content, like the stuff that he puts on instagram. Yeah, you don't really see it so much. It's more, when the shell gets cracked in a podcast with someone else, we like an interview. Oh fuck, this guy's.
Speaker 1:This guy's pretty cool, yeah, like, yeah, he is. He's not cool, but pretty funny. He's got some you, I think he's cool in his own way. Well, that's what I mean. Even looking at his content, I think he's cool, but he's into, like, medieval history and all kinds of shit you never heard of. Like he's probably more on a cerebral, deeper level that maybe people are not tapping into, just because he knows that what gets him the most attention on Instagram is him swinging a fucking 40 kilo sword or a fucking shield or doing some weird chin up. Right, would you say, though, um, I don't know, maybe with someone like him as an example, it's, he's at the end of his sort of competitive career, yeah, and so he's like well, how do I, how do I stay in this game and stay a person of influence? So he's found, you know, okay, like this, my, my unique take on strength and that kind of thing, I'm gonna, I'm gonna double down on that, yeah, but I think he's not in a hurry to be popular. No, he's just very slowly accumulated it and he's happy with that, it's true. But I, but I do think that for those who are like in that athletic piece, like in the competition piece, it's very hard for them to see beyond that. So they're like I'm just here's me with the medals, he's me winning the competition.
Speaker 1:Here's a highlight from my last fight. Merengali needs coaching on how to talk Like. He needs to know how to not talk about how good he looks when he is the greatest of all time. I mean it's entertaining though. No, it's. I'll read it for the cringe factor. No, merengali is the fucking worst. I couldn't keep following him. That's why I like it. No, you just relate. You're like oh, that's how I talk in the third person. Perfect, my guy. No, it's the worst. Because the thing is he's a nice guy in person. I've met him in person. I trained with him way back in the day before. He is of his now greatness, but in person he's actually pretty nice, right to just chat to.
Speaker 1:But his social media persona is he's great at jiu-jitsu. He's absolutely almost undigestible in the form right, and so could it not be possible that someone could be really good at jiu-jitsu and then also, you know, get I guess, yeah, do both take a beat to just be a little bit more entertaining, or do something slightly different. Or is jujitsu so hard that you can only be good at jujitsu and have no other? You know things in your life, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you know I, I think absolutely we go. You know you.
Speaker 1:You have to acknowledge that when someone is putting all of that effort to be the best at a thing, that it leaves them very little bandwidth to try and be good at other things. So their stand-up, comedy or theatrical career, yeah, so in that way, I think some athletes are blessed with naturally having that in them and so you can put a camera on them and they can come up with some shit. Yes, like a Chael Sonnen, right, or a Conor McGregor, like. Obviously, before he turned into just being a cunt, he had a huge amount of humour and banter within him that he could just call upon. Yes, classic fucking English-Irish bullshit sitting around in pubs smashing pints, banter right, talking crap, yeah, yeah. So I think that, yeah, it's always a gift of the few, it's always a gift of the few, but I would like to see people lean in on that more, like, even, like I'm trying to think of an example here, but, like you know, even in Jiu-Jitsu we see a lot of folks who are like a bit introverted, sure, and you see some of them who are able to leverage that in a way that's humorous. Sure, you know kind of talking about like, kind of referencing that I can't think of any specific example.
Speaker 1:For example, mikey musumechi, more recently, has started to make a little bit of fun of himself, right, yeah, because he knows how nerdy he is. Yep, so when he's doing like the darth rigatoni and like he, you know he's joking around, he's making an effort to not appear as serious. But if you, if you catch him on something that he's sensitive on, he'll say, okay, guys, let me talk about this thing and you're like, his tone is so you're like, dude, that's not, I don't want to watch this video. Like, even if what you're saying is really important, I get the fuck off my feed, bro. Like, that's not the tone and the way you're delivering. It is not, uh, helpful for communicating your message.
Speaker 1:You know, if he gets upset about something, I like it. Personally, I mean, I don't, I don't like to watch those videos, but I like the man. What that tells me about mikey, I'm like fuck good on you, mikey, like I'm riled up and I'm gonna get on and I'm gonna and I'm gonna say what I think's right, he cares. Yeah, you know, and I think that that's the like. If we're looking at the content piece, I'm like I like that, that's you, you know, it's honest. And then he does the thing with the pastas and you know, and the pizza and shit, and I'm like, great, like this guy is a character that is going to be very hard to replicate, like for someone to try and duplicate this so good at jujitsu, and he is a very weird, odd character. But I think he has been pushed because he's quite introverted and he's talked about his mental health battles. I think, um, the guys that won have said dude, we're giving you lots of money, you're our champion, you need to get on social media, build a profile, and I think it's that connection that has prompted so much of him doing this. And now he's more in the habit of it, right, yeah, whereas you're not seeing that as much from people who are maybe just working in the jiu-jitsu circles. You see fighters, but you see guys in the ufc getting media coaching and becoming more of that like.
Speaker 1:I think possibly, you know, if we can step more to say a guy like rob whittaker, possibly the reason why I feel Rob Whitaker doesn't get the shine he deserves is because he's just a humble dude. Yeah, he's just a Not a big talker. What do you think about this, rob? He's like oh yeah, that guy's pretty good, I'll try and beat him. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, and that isn't because Rob of guy, but he's more on the less out there personality, whereas you've got guys like Ian Gary, who's the guy who says he's the new Conor McGregor, but he's bigger Ian Gary Machado or Ian Machado Gary, gary, nah, man, you're not, yeah, yeah, but he's trying to do more Having a crack. He's trying to do more of the chat and do more of that, whereas I think he probably speaks a bigger game than is his actual fight game per se. Like, if you look at some of his fights, it's not necessarily that entertaining or anything like that. He's not putting on the greatest fight ever, but he is trying to do the chat and do the marketing and create the be the villain.
Speaker 1:You know they talk about being the heel and stuff like that in wwe. Like, why is wwe still so popular? It's the drama, it's the show. They got the rock back. Yeah, you know, he's out there calling people. It's like days of our lives, but just with wrestling, sensational. Yeah, it gets the attention.
Speaker 1:This is the question for you, my friends who is your favorite person? Who is maybe your favorite person in jiu-jitsu who's not necessarily trying to be a rock star or sell themselves out, but it's just legit, a good person. They're really good jiu-jitsu. They're also a good person and they're good on social media. Maybe we just haven't broadened our lens wide enough to be able to see who's out there because, like I, you know the, the Rotolos. They're funny guys, but I don't see a lot of their humor coming through. You know you don't get them talking about, you know, taking edibles and going surfing on their social media. You know, no, no, not so much, but they're really funny guys, they're cool. They're cool humans, they're cool, they're cool humans, they're great at jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1:But what's your are you saying here? Yeah, what's your point with this? My major point is who is being championed or who is being paid attention to is not a good role model and is not sustainable going forward. Like you know, when Craig Jones dies of a massive heart attack at the age of 45 in a sauna in thailand with some strippers, you know, no one's surprised. Everyone's like well done, champion, you went out. You went out on your shield, you went out the way. We thought you would and you will be immortalized as that rock star, right, but it's a tragedy.
Speaker 1:Where is the? You know, not necessarily the traditionalist, but where is the person who's 50 or 45 was great at jiu-jitsu, still great jiu-jitsu and still doing good things? Like look at gsp right guy, still in shape, still doing great things, still training? You almost always think he could come back because he's always in shape. Yeah, he's not blown out. Yeah, you know, he's always doing gymnastics, he's always doing cold plunge. You're like, fuck, this guy's still. He's more of an, he's almost more of an athlete now than he was back in the days.
Speaker 1:Where is that person in jiu-jitsu? Where is that person who is the advocate for longevity, health, or is jiu-jitsu still too young for us to have seen this? That that's what I'm trying to get to, because I think what's popular in jujitsu right now, or what we consider to be popular or entertaining, is not the way forward for jujitsu. That's my, your take, joey. Keep the nose beers coming, look, like I said, I think something like that is a bit of a flash in the pan. It's exciting. Yeah, I don't think it's good. I don't think it's good from a role model perspective.
Speaker 1:If it were the case that we started to just see more of these leaders or authorities within the field, um, sort of follow that same mold, it would be disappointing in my view and it would, I would think, like that's not the right direction. Uh, however, I do think that it'd be very hard for someone to take that on and I do think that probably the majority are more towards the boring consistency. You know, try to be good person, like I think the majority are towards that. What I would like to see is those people find more of a voice yeah, publicly, so that they can break through, and then you can have more of an option of role models and you have a diversity to the market, if you will. Sounds interesting? There we go.
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