Disqualified! Famous & Embarrassing ways to lose in Jiu-Jitsu

Have you ever been Disqualified at a Jiu-jitsu comp?  JT & Joey recount the messy and funny tales of competitors like John Combs and Bill "The Grill" Cooper, whose quests for glory took unexpected turns, and talk about what it means to be combat-ready and how even the prepared can be caught off guard. The boys break down the biological brawl that leads to lactic acid overload. We navigate the surprising and sometimes downright hilarious world of Jiu-Jitsu DQs - because sometimes, the real fight is against your own body's quirky reactions. Share your own memorable moments with us in the comments.

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Speaker 1: 1:10

Have you ever been DQ'd? That's it, ladies and gentlemen. You're at a competition. Maybe you did something wrong, maybe you saw someone do something crazy and they got DQ'd. Now I'm actually going to talk about maybe something slightly funny, maybe something very embarrassing in terms of people getting DQ'd. Now I'm actually going to talk about maybe something slightly funny, maybe something very embarrassing in terms of people getting DQ'd. Have at it as you will.

Speaker 1: 1:32

The reason why this came up was recently John Combs was going against Andy Varela in the North America qualifiers for ADCC. Was it East Coast trials, west Coast West, going hard, hard match. Obviously blood's pumping, it's going up a notch and unfortunately John Combs vomits. You guys might have seen it Just mid-match Because he's like no, they kind of stopped the match. I don't know if it went out of bounds, but he was like can you just you know? And he was like can you just you know? He's like feeling it and he's trying to say, hey, can you get me up, poor dude. Like he's an amazing competitor, john Combs. And so Andy Varel also beast, andy Varel is a motherfucker, he's a monster kid and goes really hard and as a result, I believe he was DQ'd, like that's technically like a cannot continue kind of injury and it's disappointing for him. But fuck, I mean dude, I don't feel bad for the guy, I'm like dude that goes down in jujitsu, fucking. Yeah, law man, you went hard and you blew chunks. Fucking, respect, yeah, it's pretty, it's incredible, incredible, but it's unfortunate.

Speaker 1: 2:43

And it made me think of a couple of other DQs which are maybe kind of funny, maybe ridiculous, but I want to put them out there. The first one that came to mind was actually Bill the Grill Cooper, because I was I'm a big fan of Paragon and Jeff Glover and Bill Cooper, I feel, really laid the foundation. Their jujitsu, their nogi, like they dominated Naga, they dominated grapple quest, they were doing insane stuff. They really put the foundation down for a guy like Gary Tonin, right, like, don't get me wrong, gary Tonin is his whole animal, like unconventional. But if you look at how wild they were in terms of letting their guards getting past and then just flipping over and guillotining dudes, leg locking dudes, they were incredible, those guys, and they used to do break dancing, they used to smoke weed. They were kind of like the Rotolo brothers before the Rotolo brothers. Yeah, they were amazing, and at that time Paragon was actually associated with Alliance, right. But then other Alliance schools came in and then Paragon was its own thing.

Speaker 1: 3:47

Bill the Grille Cooper got disqualified in the finals of the Brown Belt Worlds for going commando. What's that? Well, when I say commando, he had no underwear on, oh right, so he's free-balling, so they're having a hard match. It was him versus Otavio Sosa, right? I don't remember the year, maybe it was like 2008, 2009, something like that.

Speaker 1: 4:14

Early days, and I actually watched it and his pants you know how you can get kind of disheveled His pants got pulled down. Boom ball zonies are out. Whoa, look away, gentlemen, look closely. Ladies Didn't need to look that close. Bill the Grill who was hanging out and the referee's like no, that's it, like you have to wear underwear. Well, it wasn't even a case of did they get pulled with the pants? No, no, no Like. It wasn't even a case of did they get pulled with the pants? No, no, no Like. Because I think he was Ottavio. Ottavio Dog Daxed him. He wasn't to know right, but it's dope, because Ottavio is like a multiple time world champion now but they're both brown belts and he was like, I think, coming up on a sweep or something and the pants just got pulled down and then he was just ass out and I didn't even know. He was just bold, out and proud. And poor Bill, because he was actually an exceptionally good Gi and no Gi competitor, yeah, right. So he lost the finals because of that. Anyway, that was kind of funny, but then I've seen probably maybe more controversial kind of DQ, but even though it was funny to watch, controversial kind of DQ.

Speaker 1: 5:23

But even though it was funny to watch, it was Keenan versus Paulo Miao at Brown Belt at the Jiu-Jitsu World Pro. Was Keenan significantly bigger or was he smaller back then? Yeah, well, I mean, he's a fair bit taller, but they were both double guard pulling, scooting. It was kind of the era of 50-50 being very popular and neither of them wanted to come up. They both wanted to kind of bolo and back take and you have a very frustrated referee hating the double guard pull.

Speaker 1: 5:50

And it's for money. Like you know, abu Dhabi Pro at that time I can't remember the year it was one of the only comps that offered. It was a $250 prize pool. It was huge Amongst 15 champions. No, but it might. $150 prize pool, it was huge Amongst 15 champions. It was like, no, but it might've been good. It might've been 10 grand, maybe for the final. Yeah, uh, absolute brown belt final for the pro.

Speaker 1: 6:09

And they get double DQ'd. Fuck, Because it's just. They keep getting warnings like hey Looch, fight you, you fight, and they're both. Not that they're doing nothing, but the referee's. Just. I hate this double guard pull and it's just personal bias, but at the end of the day the fucking double guard pulls the referee is the law. And he just said no, you're both fucking out dq and they were spewing. It was kind of hilarious because it was like that benny hill. You could just put that music over it and they'll scoot scoot half sweet. No, scoot, scoot, sweet, and it was just fucking the epitome of butt scooting Dude.

Speaker 1: 6:47

That happened to Levi as well, didn't it? Brown Belt Worlds? No, it might have been Black Belt Worlds. Yeah, it was first round. They both got DQ'd, didn't they? Both competitors? I can't remember, but I do remember him being super upset. Yeah, but I do remember him being super upset. Yeah, it was like I'm sure it was both competitors. They got like two warnings and then the third time it happened, ref's like you can't throw out of here. And that was actually a good year for Levi. I think that was the same year he might've beat Lucas Lepre. I think my impression was that was the first comp after beating Lucas and everyone was like expecting big things.

Speaker 1: 7:20

So I had a conversation with a mate shout out to Jay, listener of the show Cool, we wrote some version together, but we were chatting about this double guard pull thing. He didn't quite. Well, we were chatting about some aspect of it. But basically there's a thing correct me if I'm wrong but in jiu-jitsu where when somebody pulls guard, the onus is then on you to play top position, potentially Like, if they pull guard, you cannot also pull guard. No, you can.

Speaker 1: 7:47

Double guard pulling is a thing, but yeah, it's done a bunch. It just depends on the competition, because some competitions and now they're even talking about penalizing guard pulling in general yeah right, okay, yeah. So we could say then that, like most of the prevailing comms, at least of the past, like the IBJJF and whatnot, you can't do that, can you? No, we're going to have to run that back and fact check it. I've seen double guard pulls flat out, yeah right, like pans, it's just possibly done less. Like even recently, um talos, when he won the pan championship, there was a double guard pull, but very quickly he came up on like a leg drag.

Speaker 1: 8:35

Well, that was my impression was that in the event of a double guard pull, somebody has to assume top position. Some you can't both just, and that was what was happening with levi and whoever was competing against. No one would come up right. Each athlete was like I'm fucking staying in guard right, and the refs like giving them a moment to see like who's coming up, okay, fucking point right, and I think that maybe that's more. The thing is like, if it happens, somebody has to come up, okay. And so when you get this situation where, like a levi, where their guard game is their a game, yep, and it's like no cunt, I'm going to my a game, yeah, and the other athletes like that's also my a game, yeah, a game of inches. No one wants to be the one that's like oh, I'll come on top, but we do it in training all the time, right, sure? Like, oh, you pulled all right, here I am, and I think it can be frustrating. It can be more. It's probably more frustrating for the spectator. You know it's not, yeah, it's not like fighters who are good at guard. They'll don't do double guard pulls all day like they want to fight. That's actually a part of the strategy is that you get to these positions where both people are fighting from there, whether it be for an entanglement or a back take, and it's, I think it's a completely valid part of the game. So I actually don't think you should get disqualified for it, but doesn't matter what I think.

Speaker 1: 9:48

Now, the last one I want to mention is I was at this tournament. It was a pan pacific championship. The person will not be named. They were wearing a white gi. Now, sometimes when you wear a white gi, you can. It could count against you potentially. Especially. Maybe you've been dieting and you've been eating some weird foods. Who knows, maybe you took some diuretics to make weight, who knows, maybe you had too much coffee. But this person came up on a big sweep. It's on the internet. There's a view of this person's posterior angle and you see a dark in a big like. I don't know if it's a hip bump sweep or it's a reversal from side control. The person forces their way up on top and you get a clear shot of their butt and they're just a dark image. A dark cloud appears, shat themselves, oh my God. And they continued.

Speaker 1: 10:46

Now, my friends, valiant, I mean, what else are you going to do? Stop and run off the mat. You know if you shit yourself, I don't care if you're really like blackout drunk you know if you're shitting yourself. Yeah, yeah. And so I don't know in what universe you think you're gonna fight to the wind and just have shit running down your leg and they hold your arm up and it's like the champion of shit, like what, what are you doing? And so the referee kind of catches onto it and it's like, oh, hang hang on, what the dude? And he's like, oh yeah, bro, get the hell off these mats. Other people are going to be on these mats. You're going to shoot yourself and then try and keep rolling.

Speaker 1: 11:38

Goddamn, I mean, I guess I can just see the thought process of well, it's happened. You know, I've shat myself. Might as well try and win this match. No way, even in training, to save myself some embarrassment by running away. Bro. You just shat yourself, dude, it's as embarrassing as it gets. At least you didn't shit all over the mat, are you serious?

Speaker 1: 12:01

Come on, now play this out. You're at training, you go for a sweep, or someone sweeps you you ever been knee on belly? And then let out a fart like, oh, that's embarrassing, yeah, yeah, right. If you were to happen to uh, disgrace yourself in a number two kind of way, you'd have to say hey, bro, stop, I gotta, I'm training, I'm just thinking like. Though, for a lot of people, you know, competition is like I've spent a lot of, I've invested a lot to get here, I want to win it. So it's like, yeah, okay, I'm training, sure, I'll go change my pants, maybe even wipe a little bit for you. It's fucking disgusting.

Speaker 1: 12:41

I remember being shocked because everyone was like, whoa, you see that guy Like everybody in the tournament was like whoa, it's that guy on mat number five, like see a dude shit himself and keep fighting. It was like, look things happen. Jiu-jitsu is wild, right, so fair play. Anyway, I wanted to go to something which is very similar where dude was in a triangle and dude farts in his face from the triangle. That dude's like oh, oh, my God. And then taps to the triangle, runs out and spews, oh, from copying the fart, fart in the face. Similar situation. But I mean, it's just one of those things that you know, bodily dysfunction can occur in extreme jiu-jitsu moments. But it was the fact that he was like no one, was like true legend, he just kept rolling. Everybody was like you kept rolling. That seems, I don't know, like an error in judgment. But yeah, man, embarrassing, tell me the I'm familiar with.

Speaker 1: 13:42

When you work out really hard, when you push yourself, vomiting is a thing. What is that? So you know? So you going back to that adcc. Yeah, yeah, go back to the vomiting thing.

Speaker 1: 13:52

So the way it was explained to me is that, like, once you get a certain amount of um lactate uh, if and it depends, right, because digestion takes a fair bit of energy too one of the safest places for your body to put acid is your stomach, because you have this lining If you have too much and I could be wrong about this. This was explained to me by someone smarter than me and I took their word for it, because they're sports scientists. So maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but they're saying that once you get a certain accumulation of lactic acid in your muscles, if your body doesn't have the enzymes to break it down, your body's like fuck, what do we do with this? Usually it can get filtered out by the liver, but you also, you produce enzymes in your liver and your heart to deal with it. But also, if you get an extreme level of um acidity, it would, it will try and filter it and try and push back to the stomach, right, because Because that's like a safe place you can keep it. And then the stomach's like let's get this out of here, we've got to get this the fuck out of here. So that could be wrong or right, but you also need to have something in your stomach to vomit up, right?

Speaker 1: 14:54

So you would know from doing a hard workout, joe, that if you've got nothing in your stomach you just start getting like just acid acid. He feels like it's just stomach acid. It's not necessarily food, but when john combs spewed he might have been a bit of gatorade. Maybe it was like half dog, half a snack bar. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it it's.

Speaker 1: 15:12

This is the hardest thing about a tournament. You've got to keep some fuel in the system. But when you're rolling to the death like as hard as those guys are, even a really conditioned athlete might have a bit of a bit, yeah, a bit of a spew. But uh, yeah, I mean I've seen some pretty crazy dqs not embarrassing, not funny, but, like you know, dudes headbutting each other and fucking, turning into some royal rumble, shit and yeah it. You know tournaments, people are committed. You're getting people at peak, just fucking adrenaline and fight to the death and shit can get sideways. That's what we're there to see. Yeah, it's entertaining, but, ladies and gentlemen, if you've seen a crazy or very embarrassing DQ, please let us know in the comments. We'd love to see it. Good times.