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Joe’s Unexpected Turn To Hunting

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Ladies and gentlemen, you may or may not know Joe is an outdoorsman. Joseph Worthington likes to get busy in the outdoors. And when I say busy, I mean camouflage, I mean rifles, I mean hunting, I mean building huts, survivalist type. You may not know it. He's touched on it lightly before, but we are gonna find out the intricate details of Joe's preparation for the coming apocalypse. Wow.

First Trips And Finding Mentors

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Let me take you there. I am I'm not an outdoorsman by any stretch. I um I think I think part of it was is that I grew up with none, we didn't camp or anything when I was a kid. So I I think as I got older, I wanted to do a bit of that, you know. And so anyway, the hunting thing sort of coming. Yeah, well, it takes a little while, mate. You know, like it takes a while to get your gun license and go through all that and then kind of learn how to use the thing and then and then you know, get with some friends that can take you out. And so I it's kind of like a multi-year process, I feel, to get to the point, like as a city in Australia. In Australia, and particularly if you don't like you don't live in the country and your mates don't go hunting every other evening, you know. Like if you're if you're living there, it's like it's you've been doing it since you're a kid. But if you for me, it's like no one in my family ever owned firearms. It's special to you. Yeah, you know, or or like or hunted. So I've had to like make the connections. Extra effort. But uh, I went um had a few days out in the state forest, took John O'Mey. I don't know if you know John O'Browbelt from Vantage. Yep. Yeah, we went together. Um went with Alan, right? I went with Alan a few weeks ago. Sorry, right. Okay. Yeah, we went out to a special. Shout out Alan Chan. Fucking legend. He's been a he's been a really good uh good mentor to me, you know, in this process. But yeah, John and I went, we spent three days in the state forest, like you know, and um fuck man, we didn't see a lot. We saw, we saw, like we, it's so because what you get in these state forests is you get a lot of hunters go there, right? Right. So there's a lot of pressure on the animals that live there. So the animals that live there are extremely reclusive. Uh they've learned over multiple generations, don't fucking be here out in the open, right? Whereas you go to a private property, you know, someone that owns a fucking million acres of bushland, and they're like, Yeah, we uh we allow a few hunters every few months to come on. The animals are just cruising all around. So it's like it's like a game park. Right, you know. Now, just to clarify for folks, my whole impetus to get into it was to um harvest meat from those animals to eat, you know, yes, to eat. And of course, I'm not gonna make the argument that it's cheaper because it's really expensive to get into hunting so much ethnic. Yeah, yeah. It's like we spent three days and we got nothing, you know, but but it's really enjoyable as well. And and you know, the like the deer, right, that we're hunting are like a they're a pest. They're they're they're problematic for this environment, they're not meant to be here. Um, and so you know, so I I kind of see it as a net positive. Um, but we did see one on the we we saw one on the first night as we were leaving this spot. We're like, fuck, nothing going on. We're leaving them. We just shone a torch and I was like, fuck, there's one right there. We weren't able to to get organized in time, it disappeared into the bush. But um on the third day, we're at a spot and we're like, fuck, feels pretty good down here, you know. We're like trying to keep super quiet. And then this this doe, this big fucking impressive, like strong doe female, just popped her head up and she was an albino. So it's all wow, yeah. And it was like, John, oh there's one there, shit. And then it it kind of looked uh, I think it I think it caught wind of us because it was or maybe it maybe it saw us, it's f it was fucking cluey. It it kind of sussed, yeah, realized and then just disappeared, you know, and that was it. But so it was it was mad, but we didn't get anything, yeah.

Stalking Deer On Private Land

SPEAKER_00 3:48

It got kind of like fishing in that same way, right? You've got to be out there amongst it, but that process in and of itself is enjoyable, uh and you'd love to be able to catch the fish or every time, you know, you know, but that's not most of the time, right? Like you you you'd mentioned before about the stalking and can you talk us through that a little bit? Because you've it doesn't have to be this most recent trip. You've you've kind of been playing around with this for a little while, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, so when when I went with Al, so there was this four of us, and we he's got like this this private property that we go to. I've it was my second time there, but he goes there regularly. Um and it's basically someone owns the property, they use it for breeding cattle. Um, and so no one lives there. And there is there is like a neighboring, like there's a bunch of properties around, but there's a neighboring like big section of bushland, and so that there's a herd of deer that make their way through that bushland to a dam that's at at the at the sort of low end of this property. And so he's got this position sort of at the top of this hill where you can see, you can kind of get a good vantage down on the dam and the sort of you know, the hillside around there. Um, and so we meadow out there in the evening, and it's pretty incredible. You look down, there's nothing going on. You're looking through your binos, you're like, I can't see much. Then you keep looking, and then all of a sudden you're like, wait, there's something. And then all of a sudden you start to see, and then there's like, well, I think we counted like eight deer in this herd, right? Cruising around, eating some food, drinking, whatnot. It was a it was too far away to take a shot. So we Alan and I stalked in closer. So then it's like, all right, get into a position where you can where you can make a shot. And so, you know, we stalked in, and so we're kind of going down this hillside, trying to get to this fence line that will give us a little bit of cover from them visually, um, and where you could hopefully set up to take a good shot. Because it's like you can't you can't just like hold the the rifle right your shot, like you want to be like leaning on something, have it rested on a branch or a fence, whatever, or bipods or some shit. Um, the shooters out there are laughing because I'm talking like an amateur. But um hey, you you own it. I mean that's fine. But so we get we get to a point and then and ours, and then ours basically like you go, like he's like, Yeah, this is this is looking good, but like you go because you just you don't want to spook him, right? So I'm getting I'm I'm I'm like my knees a little bit so I'm in this low gate position trying to like duck crawl the show. I'm like oh fucking knee swelling. You're like fuck jujitsu, it's not good for this. You're like you're like trying to stay hello and shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Yeah, it's all these all these Joe Rogan fans who are out there that are like Joe told me to start jujitsu and kettlebells and deer hunting, yeah, and fucking me up.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

I can't afford the peptides yet. Yeah, yeah. But you but it was kind of you know, it was it was it felt high pressure to me because Alan's behind, and then the other two other boys are watching, they're watching, you know, and they're like hunters, and so you're like, don't fucking blow it, fuck me up. They let they gave you the honor of you know doing the thing, and so I I get down to this fence line and I kind of peep over, and the herd are just uh are feeding, but then one of them sort of looks up in in my direction and then just puts its head back down and keeps feeding, and that's a good sign, right? Like if they're feeding, they're relaxed, they're relaxed, yeah. And so and the wind, the wind was good, so it's like okay, the wind's not gonna catch me out. Um, and then I I think I start to position my rifle and then it picks its head up again. And I made I remember seeing it look up and I made a decision to just keep setting up, you know. I can't remember what, but it maybe it was like loading around or something, yeah. And then they just went and filed out single foot. Like it's like all of a sudden they're just leaving and they leave. It's it's really incredible. They leave almost, it seems to be like they leave in the exact way you don't want them to go. Like they know exactly where you are, and they go and they use the trees that are between you and them for cover. Yeah, and they and then they get to like this little road crossing, and then they're like one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, and they're gone. And so fucking blew it. Dang. But it was super exciting, you know. But yeah, it's just one, it was cool. It was cool to um, it was cool to fuck it up, and uh, you know, whatever, it's part of the thing. And so I was like, I got hasty. I wanted, yeah. I'm like, no, I think it's good. I think I can I can position it. It's like, no, I should have just sat still and done nothing for five minutes and then gone again, you know. Interesting, but it's that patience, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:26

You know, you're so close to the thing, and then I mean, yeah, and then you got that whole thing of like you didn't think back to your your your your days in the in the uh and in the uh the the the back streets of uh in the wilds or glaze in the yard, yeah, with the slingshot.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

How patience? There's nothing stressful there because you're just shooting some kid in the back of the head with a rock. You know what I mean? Just taking he can't see you.

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Skill, Ethics, And The Reality Of The Shot

SPEAKER_00 10:11

But yeah, no, it's funny, man. It's it's it's nice. It's nice being a real rookie, you know? The learning, then there's so much to learn, there's so much nuance. Yeah, it's yeah, that's right. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I I think um I I think it's interesting because I, as someone who's was not even allowed a toy gun as a child, not even like a water pistol, like at all. Lucky to get like water bombs, you know. My mum is very anti-violence. Yeah, strange that. Um funny how it turned out. Um, but uh no, it's it's one of those things that I'm fascinated by it, right? Like I love war movies, I love the intricacies of sniper training and all this stuff. But I don't think I could shoot someone. I could probably hunt game, like someone, yeah. You know, like no, no, no, sorry, hear me out, hear me out. They say that Yeah, I'm not up for that either, bro. No, no, no, no. But I'm no people in the military. I'm I'm this is where I'm going with the the sniping thing, like stalking. This is all terminology that's also used in in the military, relevant to uh sniper training. And they say generally snipers were hunters as kids. Oh right. Like they were raised to stalk, yeah, raised to set up, they were raised to be very patient. Like it's so integral to the success of the kill. Yeah, right. This is all very kind of um cogent with from hunting to military training. Yeah, right. And so for me, you know, like I I remember the first time I fucking went fishing, I had a little handrail and I did catch a fish, and the hook went through its mouth and out through its eye, and I was like, oh God. Oh wow. And then I was trying to like unhook it and throw it back and it pulled its eye out, and I was like, I'm too soft for this shit. I even catch a little fish, you know. Um I and look, I've I've been roux hunting and you know, like stuff like that, but roux shooting, I should say, and they're just fucking just blasting spotties. But I think the thing about it is um there's so much skill involved, and it just you can't, it's not something that can be faked because there's so much effort to lead up to one shot, one opportunity, and yeah, yeah, that's that's stuff.

Ancestral Mastery And Lost Human Skills

SPEAKER_01 12:34

It's true, and I mean it's kind of ironic, right, in that way, because there's like, you know, like we have like high-powered rifles, high-powered scopes, binoculars, the whole shit, you know. You got all this technology on your side, and still I fucked it up. Still get the and then you and you, you know, I've been reading about like some of the more old school hunters, and I mean you know, I mean, fucking the Aboriginals for many hundreds of thousands of years were hunting with fucking spears and you know, and many other indigenous peoples, and you're just like, ow, Jesus Christ, that is high skill. So skillful, yeah. You know, like to hit something that is probably smaller than a deer, you know, like hitting hitting roos or wallabies or from some distance, say with a fucking while running or yeah, like it's it's it's immense to think about the kind like the depth to which we were able to develop to develop a skill set in a m uh you know if um in a more ancestral world. Yeah. We I don't think we I don't think we even get close to it these days.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

No, I think w wayfaring, which is pretty much gone, but still wayfaring is um Polynesian cultures could navigate in the ocean. Stars like hand in the water, uh a bit warmer, sweeter. Oh wow, no shit. Like wow it it I think to a very small degree there is some still some uh parts of a Polynesian culture. I'm not sure whether it be in Hawaii or Samoa where they actually still have that wayfaring skill. Wow, just taught. Yeah, right. But it's pretty much almost completely gone. But that's how people got around. It's crazy to think you could remember our stars are there, you know, at night. Yeah, you know, the wind, you know, I I can't even can't even fucking swim. Like I can't, you know, I'm not surviving shit. That's why I don't go to the water. But um, no, I think it's just it's it's immense to think of human capacity to learn and survive, and yet we just kind of uber eats it, you know.

Military Parallels And Real Consequences

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Well, yeah, I mean so much it's handed to. And I think that is the that's the appeal, at least for me, is like doing something that is like, even though it does have you got all this technological side of it, it's like somehow feels like a much more human and wholesome thing to do, you know, to be and even when you're like butchering the animal and then you know, you bring it home and then you're cooking it, and like that, that is all extremely satisfying on a level that is like somewhere in our DNA. Real experience. Yeah, you know, like but real experience, but but also like providing like harvesting food from nature and providing that for the people you love. Yeah, you know, there's something there's something really satisfying about it. Um, who said this? You know, Jonathan Hate, that guy that he's like he's the American researcher who's very um had the it did all the studies around social media and the current generation of teenagers. No, I don't know. Did a lot of a lot of the really good stuff on just how we've kind of ruined, you know, this current generation with social media, and here's some things we could do to start to undo some of the damage. Um but he he said he played he played paintball for the first time, and he realized what I think he said he realized he had a room in his heart to which the door had been locked for this activity, and it was the whole hunting, being hunted, shooting thing, yeah, you know, which is a very human thing, right? Like whether you're throwing rocks or you're throwing spears or or it is with fire. I mean, yeah, we've been fucking in battle with firearms for a few hundred years. But take it way back, yeah. For thousands of years, yeah, like like but that that whole stalking thing and like fear and you know whatever is like um it's there in our soul, you know, and it's not part of our day-to-day. It uh does have a little crossover in jujitsu, you know, something we've spoken about. But but yeah, I thought that fascinating, right? Because he's just a totally, he's just like an academic dude, probably a mad geek. And they went and played paintballs, like, holy shit, there's a part of me that like really wants to do more of this. Sure. Yeah. So I I don't know, it's funny, right? Like you you talk to people who've been in the military and you're like, wow, they've lived there like, and I mean, particularly the ones that have served, you're like, for some as someone who's never done that, you're like, whoa, this person has a whole experience of life that I'm completely oblivious to. Oh yeah. You know, like a real fucking experience.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

And there's people I I find, you know, I've got a few friends who've served overseas, done a few tours, and there's obviously trauma there. There's like levels of PTSD because of what they've experienced or seen, but there's also a lot of no bullshit. Because it's you've got to really trust the people you're with.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

You know, your life's in their hands, their life's in your hands, and not only do you see some shit, but you do some shit, and it's uh really full on. It's really it's it's you're not playing video games, not Call of Duty, it's fucking um Yeah, I think uh most people I know who've done military service, uh they've got a lot of character. You know, and you can see that they've seen some shit and they they they hold it together, you know what I mean? It's very hard to comprehend if you've never been in those positions. Yeah. But um but uh mate, I want to switch gears a second, but um just just to kind of I actually did want to ask, do you feel there's something that the hunting thing has given you that you didn't get anywhere else? Or is there something that you've not that it's unlocked a door in your heart, but I mean is there something more recently that it's uh taught you? Would it be the patience thing or would you what what what is it? I mean about that process or that example.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Maybe maybe not yet, because I think I'm still too amateur at it. Like, of course there's the patience thing, but I'd be embellishing if I said it carries over into other areas of my life. And you know, just when I'm in there about to make that business deal, JT, when and I think back to when I'm about to pull the trigger on that motherfucking buck, you know, and I just like fucking when I got the sip of so I can exhale, you know, it's a keep the body still, lower the heart. Yeah, that's right. Remember the Coriolis effect. Yeah, no, you know, I don't I don't think yet, right? But but there's there's definitely something about like I don't know, there's something about just being more outdoors and making time for that. Like there's almost like a call to like, oh, I want to get back out there, you know, kind of thing. I don't know, maybe it's probably doing something to me over a over a slow gradual period of time. I don't do I do I look different? Do I go a cry? The rewords. Do I seem more manly or some shit?

Timber Framing With No Nails

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yeah. No. No, man. You you've always been a you've always been a man's man, Joe. I've never never thought that less of you, except when you fucking harp on at me about emails. But apart from that, um No, I the thing I wanted to go to, which I was interested in, which I had no idea about, was the uh the building. Fuck, bro. So hell let the people know, Joe.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

All right, so I'm I'm a I'm a woodworker, I'm an amateur woodworker, this we know. Um, and I've always been looking for opportunities to like get better and do more. And um a course popped up on my Instagram that was like showing showing these cats like out outside in the sun, mute moving huge bits of lumber, putting these huge joints together and building a fucking timber cabin. Right. You know, they've just chiseling away material, they're hewing, like hewing a log with an axe.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

I regularly send Joe TikToks or Instagrams, which is just like either someone creating the most intricate wooden joint that just sh like that, which is ridiculous. Or here's a log, dude chopping down a tree. Bum bum bum bum guy builds a thing. Yeah, now mud, now brush. Now you're like, fucking hell, this guy's building a house.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

How long did this take? And you see, and because you see that, I mean, you see that cabin one, and you're like, I want to do that. I want to do it. So cool. Yeah, shit's cool. Yeah, it's really fucking cool. And I I I mean, I've always wanted to build like some kind of cabin, like not a house, but I've always I've always thought I'm going to build some kind of basic dwelling, right? That's always been a goal of mine. And so this thing popped up, and it's like traditional timber framing fundamentals workshop, three days. Amazing, book it here, and I'm like, cunts, I'm all in. Oh man. So it was on the South Coast, like five hours from here in Burmagui. Oh, yeah, which is a stunning part of the country. And um, it was with this group who are basically a traditional timber framing business called Heartwood, and they that's what they do, they build cabins from fucking bits of wood using traditional methods, and these are traditional methods that have been part like refined over centuries. Um I don't know how far back it goes, but it's like northern European. I mean, you see it with Japanese, like they'll use a lot of that, they'll do a lot of that same cabin or like not cabin, that's the wrong way to say it, like framework. So basically, what they build is a frame of a house that you could then put walls on. So in a modern day, you could put like fucking, you know, timber walls or fucking weatherboard or whatever you like. But in the olden days, you know, you might have used, I don't know. Some fucking thatching or you know mud brick walls or whatever. Um, but the beauty of it is is that the structure should stand for centuries. Wow. And that you can disassemble it at any point and move it and just knock it back together. Because the joints are all built with that in mind. Oh, so this is no nails. No nails. Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, that's the thing, right? It's all hand cut joinery, no metal involved. Oh my god. And so, and so what you have to do, right? Because if you think about it, you're building a structure. This was a huge learning for me. When we do woodwork conventionally with dressed timber, you're always referencing square off the outside of the timber, right? So if I've got like lengths of wood and I need to cut a straight line, I use my my build, you know, whatever my set square or something, and I put it on, and that references the side of the board, gives me a 90-degree line. I fucking draw it, grab my saw, cut it, right? Tidy. Yep. But when you're working with this not perfect dimensioned timber that is often green and fucking, I'm fucking lucky if I can put fucking IKEA together.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Like I I have instructions and tools. I'm in a fucking living room with the heat on. But I'm not like that shit. This fucking bookshelf. How the hell are you gonna be out in the worst with green timber and a fucking plum line like chalk?

SPEAKER_01 23:25

But that's the beauty, that's the beauty of our eyes. Like I was seeing, I was seeing, and I was the I was the biggest amateur at the thing. A lot of the guys there were like builders, like home builders, fucking, you know, there was there was a couple guys that were just like yeah, yeah. One guy was like a timber framer, but he's like, mate, I just all I use is pine from Bunnings and a fucking circular saw and a drill. He's like, all this shit is brand new to me. So he it was blowing his mind from a different point of view. But you you realize you're like, like the the techniques were really like you understand it, but it was really fucking tricky. Be like, if I was practicing this all the time, I'd get a lot better at it. Um, but yeah, it's mad. Dude, it's fucking sick.

Craftsmanship, Razor Tools, And Life Choices

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Mate, I think the oldest I think it's one of the oldest buildings in the world is in somewhere, it's either in Norway or somewhere in Scandinavia, which is a no-nail uh wooden construction which had been grown over by grass. Oh wow, and someone was like, that that that that pile out the back. Like it was just hillside doesn't look right. And then they pulled the grass away, and there was a door, and it's still like holy shit inside is like really good. Preserved, preserved, yeah, and I think it's over 700 years old, 750. Okay. So cool. It's look, yeah. It's one of the oldest man-made constructions that's just standing and it has no nails. And I always get blown away. I watch like I I I've tried to be more careful about what I watch on social media because obviously, as soon as the algorithm sees you look at a like, even if you don't like it, if you pause on a video longer than three seconds, it's like gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. And then you're just getting served up video. Yeah. And so there was a while there when um, you know, when you were talking about chisels and stuff like that, I started like going on this mad Japanese carpentry bender and all the non like the real tricky things where they like slot it in and then they put in a little bit of timber and it just brings it together, yeah. Oh man, it's the skill. I think this is the thing. I admire passion and skill. And I think you can't have high-level skill without being very passionate about that thing. Yeah. You know, you've got to be in in something for 10 years, 20 years, a lifetime to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

And um Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like we're saying with the hunting piece, right? It's like you kind of literally have to give your life to these crafts to to achieve mastery. Yes. And I mean, you know, most of us simply are not willing to make that sacrifice, you know, but but you can get a little taste of it. And at that event, I'm like, oh shit, I'm getting a little taste of this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

And I'm and I'll is it the heroine that you're now getting addicted to, Joe? Yeah, but it's but it's sorry, guys. Joe no longer does the podcast. He has built his uh hide uh with no nails, and he's up there now hunting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

But I mean, that's the thing, right? Like I I I I will take little bits from it and incorporate it into my kind of more hackish approach that I will continue to refine. Um, but but you know, because you because you you meet that, like you meet that when you leave meet that level of mastery, which was the three guys facilitating the course, you're like, I can't be these guys unless I'm prepared to give what these guys have given. Yeah. And that's a lifetime. I mean, they're actually young blokes, yeah, and they're trying to grow the thing here, you know. Yeah, awesome. Um bro, some of the chisels we were using, they're called slicks. Okay, they're like this long. Wow. And they've got a like a like a big long handle and then a little perpendicular handle off that. Oh, okay. And basically you, and then a you know, like a big, big chisel face, like maybe uh an inch and a half or two inches. Right. And you you just you huge, you kind of connect it into your whole body, and then you just like pair, you don't hit it with a hand. It's like just for pairing. So you're just taking off shavings, but you can brace it against your whole body and just take the size. Yeah, and just take off like these. You're almost taken off, like it's probably like a mil or two. A quarter of a no, it's like a quarter of a millimeter. Like you how sharp must they be? Oh, they're sharp as fuck, son. Holy like yeah, the guys were like, guys, like please just don't fucking stab yourself.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Like, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, yeah. It was amazing. No one did, but but yeah, like all that, bro. The tools were epic.

Respect For The Craft And Listener Tips

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Wow. There it is. It fuck. It makes you it makes you uh it makes you wonder what you're doing with your life. You're like, man, I could I could be mastering something. Well, you know, fuck. Sometimes you gotta go to work, right? Sometimes you gotta fucking do those emails, folks. Yeah, you gotta sit in traffic or some shit. No, I I think it's great. And um, you know, most of the time we keep it on the health and fitness thing, but we do do other stuff, and for sure this is uh a great passion of Joe's, and I do respect that about him that he is about this thing because I um yeah, I I'm a I'm I'm vicariously living it through you. I'm just like in my head, I'm a fucking mastercraft. We out there, son. Well, thanks, thanks for letting me indulge. Mate, it's a beautiful thing. And I mean, for any of you folks out there, if you're if you're deep in the um the hunting world or you you're getting into the woodwork, mate, sound off in the comments.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah, and fucking send me some tips, fam. Shit. Or just need all the help I can get.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Send him some chisels. Something like that.