I Love New Mexico Music: Kene Terry (Re-release)

This week we are re-releasing Kene Terry's popular episode about the music scene in New Mexico. 

In this episode of the "I Love New Mexico" podcast, host Bunny Terry chats with her musician nephew, Kene Terry. Kenny shares his musical journey, discussing his band, The Ghost Runners, and their Americana/alt-country sound. He reflects on recording music in his shop, the evolution of music technology, and his dream venues in New Mexico. The conversation highlights the charm of dive bar music scenes and the essence of live performances. Kene also expresses his love for New Mexico's landscapes and culture, emphasizing the importance of community and collaboration in his creative process.

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Bunny 00:00:00  Hi there, I'm Bunny Terry and you're listening to the I Love New Mexico podcast. Whether you're a native New Mexican who's lived here for your entire life or you're just considering a visit, this episode is for you. Join us as we share a lot of New Mexico stories, talk about all things New Mexico, and include topics like what's magical here, where you ought to visit, what's happening, and the things you absolutely cannot miss in the Land of Enchantment. We're excited that you're here, and we can't wait to show you what an amazing place in New Mexico is. Because let's face it, I love New Mexico. Hi there and welcome to the I Love New Mexico podcast. I'm Bunny Terry, and, I have a special guest today, Kenny Terry, who just happens to be my nephew but is also one of my favorite musicians, and the person who records the, our intro music. that's from his first album. And so welcome, Kenny. I'm so glad you could be here.

Kene 00:01:16  Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Bunny 00:01:19  Well, you're you're you're not just a celebrity in our family. You're sort of a celebrity across the state. at least I think so. I you play music, and you started playing music years, years ago, and you're a songwriter, and I'm. I'm just curious. Tell tell our listeners who you are. a little bit of your New Mexico story, and then we want to hear about the music piece. Where did that come from?

Kene 00:01:48  Okay, so, my story, I guess, would be I started playing guitar when I was about 16, in which your son had a big hand and teaching me how to play and, you know, I, I kind of when I got to college, I, I, kind of got a chance to play quite a bit more and started learning more, more music and kind of got to the point of maybe I should write some of my own stuff. And so that's kind of how that came to be.

Kene 00:02:27  I started playing in bands. my first band was 2002. And so we, you know, there's been countless different groupings and different band names and everything since then in 20 years, I guess. but the wow, is.

Bunny 00:02:48  It it's 20 years.

Kene 00:02:49  20 years. Yes, yes. Wow. And so, so the the song, the song New Mexico was actually written by a friend of mine. his name is Cole Brake Bill. And one of his writing partners from about, I would guess, 2004, 2005 somewhere in there. And they actually wrote it as a bluegrass song. and that actually has like, oh, I don't know, I think I, I recorded it with like two verses or maybe three, but I think it has like five verses and like some really sweet bluegrass breakdowns, but I don't know if they ever recorded it. I think I may have the only recording of that. So, but yeah, it just whenever I remember the first time I heard it, I was like, oh, I got to start playing that song.

Kene 00:03:47  It just and and of course, like the last, the last time we played, we actually had to play it twice because somebody missed it and they were like, we got to hear that song.

Bunny 00:04:01  Well, you've played in some. Well, first of all, I think we should tell people, you know, our listeners who don't know you. we can you can you first tell them where to find you if they're looking online, if they're looking for some. I know we play you on Pandora. is there a place where people can find your music? And can you tell them what you're classified as?

Kene 00:04:24  So we're classified, I guess if genre wise were classified as Americana alt country. Somewhere in there. but we're on all the platforms. well, like, I use tidal, which is tidal. It's a little more artist friendly. Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, any of those. And then so the current group is called the Ghost Runners. And so I think we're at Ghost Runners music.com.

Kene 00:05:01  and then we're of course on Instagram and Facebook and there may be a Band camp or on there. So there's a, there's quite a few different platforms to find us. And then of course the old older stuff. the first record is under Kenny Terry, which is just, my name with a weird spelling. And then.

Bunny 00:05:27  That is.

Kene 00:05:29  So it's, it's Kenny Terry. And then the second record was released as Kenny Terry and the Bourbon Cowboys, and that record was called jackalope. And, so, yeah, there's there's those and maybe a ghost runners record.

Bunny 00:05:48  Well, and, and and we'll also put links. We'll provide links for everybody. But, you've played in a lot of fun places. I, you know, you've I mean, you open for Randy Rogers. Is that right? Where was that?

Kene 00:06:04  That was in Portales. That was at eastern. yeah, that was in oh five, I believe. but yeah, we've and we've opened for, we've opened a few times for Roger Klein and the peacemakers.

Kene 00:06:20  we got to hang out with those guys some. And so and there was a few others in, you know, in between there and before and after. but. Yeah.


Bunny 00:06:33  You and I, we have this, equal obsession with sort of following people around, New Mexico. Look, I think who did, did we go and see, who did we see out at the bridge at Santa Fe?

Kene 00:06:48  We. We did see Roger Klein out there.

Bunny 00:06:51  Oh, okay. That's who we saw. And. Oh, my gosh, now I can't. Now I can't think of his name. The guy that did the movie with.

Kene 00:07:02  Yeah I think we also saw Ryan Bingham. Yeah.

Bunny 00:07:04  Ryan Bingham. Now there's a there's a New Mexico musician. We ought to try to get on the show, right?

Bunny 00:07:12  Absolutely. He's a Hobbs guy, right.

Kene 00:07:15  Hobbs.

Bunny 00:07:16  Cool.

Bunny 00:07:17  Cool. And you recently played a really fun gig. you got to tell people about that. Where'd you play this? Because I think it's such a cool thing.

Bunny 00:07:26  I want to, I want to I want to interview those folks who are running that joint. Talk about that for sure.

Kene 00:07:32  so we played. Oh, it's been a couple weeks ago, I think it was Labor Day weekend. We played at, it's called the Colfax Tavern. but it's I don't know if I don't know, but everybody just calls it cold beer. New Mexico. And so it is in between Cimarron and Raton. And it is literally out in the middle of nowhere. But it's an incredible venue. I mean, it's so it's just so cool. Like, like 20 beers on tap, a great stage, like great food, like it's incredible. I can't believe it's out there. So it's it's really cool.

Bunny 00:08:15  So do people go people go to do they go there and camp? I don't, I don't get I mean how do you if you're going to go there and drink beer, what do you do.

Kene 00:08:24  Yeah. You know, some people just like dry camp out there.

Kene 00:08:29  I know that's what we did. We, you know, we had friends with a camper, and we just pulled up in the parking lot. and there was a few others that did that. but people came from Raton and from From camping in Cimarron Canyon and from Roy Mascaro. I mean, there was there's just kind of a there's quite a group of folks that that kind of call that their, their home base as far as their little, their little tavern. So.

Bunny 00:08:59  So you play I mean, all the guys you play with are from New Mexico, right?

Kene 00:09:06  yeah, I believe so at the moment.

Bunny 00:09:08  Except for Shem, who's in New Mexico. Guy who ran off to Mississippi. Right?

Kene 00:09:12  Yes. Uhhuh.

Bunny 00:09:15  But he's an Alamogordo guy. I was just thinking about, music venues here. I mean, they're they're the ones that a lot of folks, especially a lot of folks in Santa Fe know. I mean, I mean, he had a gig one time at the cowgirl, right? What happened to that? What? We.

Kene 00:09:33  So we actually did, and it was back with the bourbon cowboys in those days, and, it was the latter part of December of I think that was oh six. but it was like one of the it was like a weather anomaly for New Mexico that year. we took off from Portales, though. I mean, it was probably 50 degrees clear skies. By the time we got to Vaughan on our way in, the snowflakes were, They were pretty good size. They were three four inch snowflakes, and it was coming down hard. And I remember a guy in that truck stopped there, and Vaughan was like, if you go south, you're going to be fine. But if you try to hit the interstate, it's it's shutting down already. And so we're like, oh, we're good. Of course we have the whole band. we had a couple of girlfriend, three girlfriends maybe. I don't think anybody was married yet. One of the girlfriends was like eight and a half months pregnant. And so we of course, we take off and we're five miles out of Vaughn and we're like, we're not gonna make it.

Kene 00:10:50  I don't know, you know, like, we were just we were the the roads were just they were ridiculous. And so we ended up getting stuck in Willard that night. Like, luckily we made it to Willard. We got stuck there for 3 or 4, three nights, four days. So.

Bunny 00:11:08  So we have to tell people what Willard is.

Kene 00:11:13  So I don't know the population there, but it's I'm guessing under 200, maybe under 100. I don't know, it's very, very small and, yeah. So we we camped out in their fire station for a few days. We the Willard Cantina was still up and going at that point in time. And so yeah, we the community took really good care of us. We found that cantina and went over there, made friends with those guys, and we actually ended up playing a show at the cantina. There was nothing else to do. We had all our stuff and so we never made it to the cowgirl. we just we never hooked back up with them after that.

Kene 00:11:57  But, we did. We played the the Willard Cantina after, after, like a UFC fight or something that they all wanted, that they had bought. And, we just, we jammed out for, for like, 12 people, I think.


Bunny 00:12:13  That's so Funny. Well, you know, Patrick, who owns the can, the who owns the cowgirl is now my friend. So maybe I'll, I'll send him a copy of the of the contest and see if they might want to rebook you from 2006. Yeah. Right on. That would Be hilarious. I, I What do you think about New Mexico music? Do you think that, You know, I know the old timers like Bill Hearn, who used to hang out. Like, I think Bill Hearn taught Lyle Lovett and Robert Earl Keene how to play guitar. I think that Bill and Bonnie, who are. And Bonnie's passed away now, but those those are like old New Mexico musicians from way back. And they lived down in Texas at the time.

Bunny 00:13:04  And then, you know, his nephew. Why can't I think of his name? He does the the Taos big barn dance, but I, I mean, I think the Americana scene is pretty alive and well here, don't you?

Kene 00:13:16  Oh, yeah. It's, I mean, like, of course those guys, I know that a lot of those those guys that, like, I guess, would be considered like Texas artist pioneers of that, of that kind of their Americana genre, you know, a lot of their their beginnings were in Red River. Ray Wylie Hubbard and, Robert Earl keen like those guys kind of they, you know, they that's kind of they cut their teeth on a lot of their stuff right there. and of course, I mean, it's just getting ready for this podcast. I was kind of looking up some of the, the different gems of musicians and, and like, you know, really, you know, kind of some people that set the standard in the, in the industry itself were, you know, came from right here, you know, Norman Petty and Clovis, that was it.

Kene 00:14:12  That's, you know, his contribution to, to rock and roll and, and country, rock and roll are huge. there's all, you know, like John Manson there in Santa Fe, like he's done some incredible stuff. And, I mean, just Just the list is. I mean, it goes on and on and on. So it's, it's it's, I would guess I would say, like, you know, being this close to Texas, like, everybody's like, oh, you know, all the music is, is from Texas, but but we've had such contribution to it as well that it's, often overlooked, I think.

Bunny 00:14:56  Well, so for, for people who don't know, Norman Petty is sort of famous for doing something else besides influencing. What. What have you been to the studios in Clovis?

Kene 00:15:09  I have, yeah. Yeah. And so, so one of the guys that plays with us a lot is Johnny Mulher, who is another New Mexico musician legend. but yeah.

Kene 00:15:22  So when I worked for the Chamber of Commerce in Clovis, right out of college. And so, yeah, I got to hang out at that studio and hear a bunch of old stories and, meet some of those old guys that that recorded in that studio. And, it like some of those stories are just unbelievable of how just like, how like how Johnny was telling us just a couple months ago about how buddy Holly came to record with Norman.

Bunny 00:15:54  And how was That? I'm curious about why. I mean, he was from Lubbock, right?


Kene 00:15:59  Yeah, he's a Lubbock guy. but he actually was on with, with a label out of New York City and wasn't getting any traction. he had a record, I think maybe with Decca, which was a big label at the time, and they were kind of like writing him off. They were kind of like, you know, man, like it's just not happening. And, from what Johnny was telling us, that, A buddy called Norman because he had really good rates as far as like his studio time and his producing time.

Kene 00:16:34  And he called Norman up and was like, hey, can we come over? You know, we're going to be back in Texas or whatever. And kind of the rest was history. After that, they got a good deal on some studio time and went over there. And I mean, made one of the, the, you know, the records that influenced the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and, like just a pretty big, monumental moment in rock n roll history, really.

Bunny 00:17:01  Is that where they recorded That'll Be the Day, I can't remember.

Kene 00:17:04  Yeah, I believe I think all of those, of course. And Johnny was telling us those had already been recorded under under Decca, and he was saying a lot of that, some of the, the back and forth with buddy and the, the major label, all that that conversation is on YouTube. And he said, like, you can you can get on there.

Bunny 00:17:29  You're kidding.

Kene 00:17:30  And you can hear these phone conversations of buddy, like asking the guy, hey, can I get my masters? I'm going to? And of course they're like, no, you know.

Kene 00:17:39  So anyway, however it came to be, he, he got Ahold of he had a few songs with them that ended up being big, but but a lot of those they, they wrote right there in the studio with Norman and Norman was a big part of, of, of kind of those songs coming to be.

Bunny 3 00:17:59  And so that's so cool.

Bunny 00:18:01  That's like, that's the Clovis, New Mexico claim to fame, right?

Kene 00:18:05  Oh, yeah. You know, and it's it's funny that like, that studio sits out there and it's out on seventh Street. So it's kind of like it's off the beaten path for for where what Clovis is now. But like it's crazy. You go in that studio and it's set up exactly the same way as when the cricket's recorded there. So I it's just amazing the, the you know a tiny little it's kind of a house converted but it's it's incredible.

Bunny 00:18:36  So see you guys did something really cool I and you and I didn't tell you I was going to ask you in advance.

Bunny 00:18:42  I didn't tell you I was going to ask you about this, but I'm still really fascinated by it because, during the pandemic, you and Jimmy, niece and I. I don't know if Shim was part. You guys did something kind of cool, didn't you? Where you were like, right. Was. It was like you were writing a song a day.

Bunny 00:19:00  What was.

Kene 00:19:01  Well, so I don't know. Shem was he was more involved in like in kind of the production of those. But yeah. So yeah, I guess it was during the pandemic that, of course, like nothing was really open, like live music wasn't really happening. And of course. So Jimmy, who I've played with now for I think we decided the other day it's like 17 years. We've kind of been like musical partners, I guess you'd call it. we would, you know, he would be working, you know, he'd be taking a break at his job, or he'd be at his house, and he would send me a, like, a voice memo recording, you know, and, like, with a text.

Kene 00:19:47  Hey, what do you think of this one? Oh, cool. And so I was like, oh, well, I'm writing too, so I'd send something back to him. What do you think of this one? And so, I mean, before we knew it, we were like two weeks in and I was like, I was trying to keep up with him because he was kind of on a tear. And so, like, I'm like, Jimmy, like, that's like 15, 20 songs that we've each contributed in the last, you know, and the last like ten days. And, and so like we were like, Well, maybe at that time we weren't like even before the pandemic. We weren't really playing. The band would get together once, twice a year, and we were kind of like, maybe we should do something, you know? And so that that kind of like sparked us kind of getting things out of the closet and firing things back up. And we recorded a few songs with Shim and, and so, yeah, like, it, it, I always thought, outwardly like the pandemic was going to be really great for artists, but I was thinking of, you know, guys that you, you see on TV or, you know, on, on the radio or whatever, and it really like it really helped us as well.

Kene 00:21:07  I mean, we, we got busy and wasn't a lot to do. And so, yeah. So we, we actually do have there's probably I don't know if there's 100 songs, but there's a pretty good a pretty good group of songs out there that were like, Jimmy just told me the other day, he's like, man, we need to start recording some of that beyond demos. And I was like, yeah, I think we do. So.

Bunny 00:21:33  So we're so where do you record something? I'm curious about that.

Kene 00:21:37  So I record out in my shop. and and yeah, so like I have a little setup out there and, you know, we just try to try to isolate things as much as we can and then, you know, we've done different setups where, like with, with our pedal steel stuff, I'll send, I'll send a track to, to Johnny and he'll kind of have a listen and he'll send me back some samples of stuff that he's, you know, and then we'll kind of collaborate there and and then he'll like Johnny will, he'll help me with mixing certain, you know, certain parts of the song and, you know, maybe bring this in or, you know, he kind of kind of acts like a producer, but not he's pretty, you know, he's pretty hands off.

Kene 00:22:25  He kind of lets us figure out things. We'll send stuff off to him, and he kind of does the same thing with some production and and so yeah, like it's it's pretty grassroots type of stuff. But, you know, I think if I think in the next year we'd like to get in somewhere and, and, you know, make like quote unquote a real record with, you know, with the, with a group of musicians and some collaboration and face to face.

Bunny 00:22:54  You know, there was just somebody I was reading about in the New Mexico magazine, a woman who now is making music in Amarillo. I'm sorry. Albuquerque. who's who created her own studio at home. I I'm just really. Can you do that? I mean, is it possible?

Kene 00:23:11  Oh, yeah. You know. Yeah. Thinking about Norman's studio. They would record the band all in one room, and so they'd have to, like, try to isolate everybody. I mean, there was just so much to it.

Kene 00:23:24  And now just with, you know, with just technology, I mean, recording a podcast over, over a kind of a zoom, as is kind of just, you know, it's a telltale of, of how far technology has gotten us. And, and I still believe in some of that old, you know, like, you can't beat a lot of that old analog stuff, but for convenience and getting things done, I mean, you can the sky's the limit really of of what you can do with a computer and a microphone. Really. So wow.

Bunny 00:23:56  Well I'm excited. So if you had a dream, let's talk dream venues first. Like if you had a dream venue in New Mexico, where do you think you'd like to play? I mean, what I mean, cold beer. New Mexico sounds to me kind of like a dream place to play.

Bunny 00:24:16  I'm just I'm curious if you've ever thought, wow, if I could play in this one place.

Kene 00:24:21  Oh, I don't know. You know, we got to take, you know, our our girls went to that, that camp at the at the opera of the summer.

Bunny 00:24:32  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Kene 00:24:33  Seeing that place is just like, it's just such a massive, you know, you just you can't miss it, like. So something like that would be really cool.

Bunny 3 00:24:42  and the acoustics are perfect.

Kene 00:24:44  Acoustics are perfect. And, I mean, just. But I think, like, when I think about. And this may be backwards as a musician, but, not so much as a new Mexican is that when I think of venues, and I guess this shows my age as well, when I think of venues, I think of like the city that I'm going to, or the town or the village or whatever. but I think about like, oh, I went, you know, so-and-so that I went to college with. I think, you know, they live over there. So now I can like it's an excuse to see an old friend or to go eat at a certain place that, you know, that we, you know, we all have those places like, you have to eat here when you go there.

Kene 00:25:31  And so, like, just like you talking about those Red River venues. my kids love Red River. And so I'm always like, man, if we could get something up there, the kids could go and we could, you know, they like to go skiing and then they like the summertime up there. So, yeah. Like it. It's of course there's a lot of for me that like my, like if I had like a bucket list venue, it might be some of those old venues that we used to play that don't exist anymore. You know, like, one place we really loved was Hurricane Alley In Las Cruces. In Las Cruces, it was all those New Mexico State kids, you know, and I don't think it's there anymore. It's a different name or it's a different type of venue now. And so, yeah, you know, just some like that, that you're just like, oh, I remember, you know, I remember those old times or, you know, I mean, there's just there's great places all over the state that, you know, there's there's cold beers, Colfax taverns all over the state that, you know, all these hidden gems that Willard Cantinas that are out there.

Bunny 00:26:44  So, so, so maybe we should do a dive bar, music venue tour.

Bunny 00:26:52  Yeah. First. Yeah, maybe.

Bunny 00:26:55  We should try to talk to all those people and then, like, line up a line up something. I always wanted to write a coffee, coffee table book that was dive bars in New Mexico. So, like, what's the one in, white?

Kene 00:27:07  Oh, yeah.

Bunny 00:27:09  This Podcast would be much easier if I had a memory. you know, down by white oaks.

Kene 00:27:15  And white oak.

Bunny 00:27:16  What's the name of that?

Kene 00:27:20  We were going to play there, like, pre-COVID and kind of, you know, that kind of fell through during, during the pandemic. But,

Bunny 3 00:27:29  You had it there.

Kene 00:27:31  Well, yeah. we had a drummer at that time that, he he spent a lot of time down there. And so we were we kind of had like an open invitation and we, you know, it just kind of didn't happen.

Kene 00:27:46  And then when the world stopped, we, you know, it just kind of didn't, didn't end up in fruition. So. But no, that's I've seen pictures and videos of that place and that's a, that's a cool little cool little place.

Bunny 00:28:01  So yeah. Yeah. So I think well, we'll put that on our list. And, on the tour. Yeah, let's put that on the tour. that'd be so much fun. That'd be so cool.

Kene 00:28:13  I also another cool story. a guy that I used to play with. his dad was telling us, and they were musicians. They helped us out so much. And when we first started. his name is Larry Lewis, and he was telling me a story one time. He said, yeah, Kenny, we were down in Silver City one time, and there was like, four of us in a little tiny dive bar, and I don't remember which one it was down there, but he's like, there was like 4 or 5 people sitting in this bar and this band was setting up.

Kene 00:28:47  So we were just kind of excited to to hear some live music. And it ended up it was Waylon Jennings and his, you know, and his band, his crew. They were just passing through and he said they just sat there and they played their stuff and they played all like a bunch of rock and roll cover songs and stuff. And for like 5 or 6 people and the bar staff.

Bunny 00:29:10  That's so cool.

Bunny 00:29:12  That's like the first time I ever saw Guy Clark, play. You know, we're both huge Guy Clark fans, but we just went I just saw accidentally somewhere in a newspaper because this is way before the internet that he was going to be playing in Red River at a at a songwriting festival. And we went and there were like 27 people watching Guy Clark play. And he set about, you know, he he played about eight feet from me. And I was like, and the same thing is true. You know, they used to do a festival here called the Thirsty Ear Festival that they did out at the Eaves Movie Ranch here in Santa Fe.

Bunny 00:29:54  And I saw Guy Clark play there, and I was like, these guys don't care how many people show up. They just want to play music. You know, it wasn't like he was. He needed a you know, he wasn't the kind of songwriter performer who needed, you know, a, you know, a 45,000 audience Superdome. He just wanted to play music. He just wanted people to hear his music. That seems like.

Kene 00:30:22  Yeah, yeah.

Bunny 00:30:24  I'm sorry about New Mexico anywhere but in Santa Fe, too. You know, people like. Yeah, the Bourbon County cowboys just show up at the cowgirl.

Kene 00:30:35  Well, I mean, you those songwriters, I've heard I've heard Guy talk about it a bunch and, you know, like endless, endless amount of those guys that I look up to. And, it's not so much about course, they do want people to hear it, but a lot of it's kind of therapy for the songwriters to to kind of get that out and, you know, kind of tell that story or get that feeling kind of out of their head or out of their heart or whatever.

Bunny 00:31:07  So I'm supposed to ask you. But first, I think, I think you need to tell folks where you're living now. And what's your favorite thing about New Mexico? That's I think we want to give people a place, but.

Kene 00:31:20  Oh, well. So I live in Logan right now. So we're on the east side of the state. We're quite county. you might know, closer. Like, what are we, like 8000 population in Clark County? Probably.

Bunny 00:31:35  Oh, do you think it's that much?

Kene 00:31:37  I don't know.

Bunny 00:31:38  It's four miles. From Tucumcari. That's how people can figure it out. But.


Kene 00:31:43  So we are, we're pretty rural. and then we spend a lot of time in Hardin County, which is where my wife is from. And, They are. I don't know if they have a thousand people in Hardy.

Bunny 00:32:00  No, I think they have like 435.

Kene 00:32:03  Yeah, they're super rural, but, so yeah, we, we actually the ghost Runners, the band now, we, we tell everybody that when they're like.

Kene 00:32:13  Because when we say Americana, people are like, what? I mean still to, you know, what is Americana? And so we just tell people, well, our, our brand of Americana, like we call it rural rock.

Bunny 00:32:26  So that's a great way to put it. Yeah.

Kene 00:32:28  We think it's rock and roll, but it always comes out as country. So that's.

Bunny 00:32:34  Nice.

Kene 00:32:34  But yeah. Oh man. My favorite part about New Mexico. Holy cow.

Bunny 00:32:41  you can have more.

Kene 00:32:42  Well, like I said before, like, there's so many places that I. Yeah, I mean, there's so many places in New Mexico that I just, you know, I just adore, you know, I love being in Santa Fe. you know, we spent. It's been a while, but we spent so much time in Las Cruces. I love that place. and of course, there's tons of places in between. you know, I love going out to to the ranch at my in-laws, spending time out there.

Bunny 00:33:18  just so people know, their ranch is really close to the bell. Right. I mean, their address is Roy, but they're close. They're down the hill close to the Bell Ranch. Right?

Kene 00:33:27  You know, I mean, as far as the bell is so huge that they're only. I mean, they're ten miles from from parts of the bell. but from the headquarters of Bell, I don't know, they might be. Might be 30 miles, but it's. Yeah, it's out there in, they're partly in Hardin County and partly in San Miguel and, lots of I think you've been out there once or twice. So I mean, it's just it's gorgeous and it's, miles and miles of, of space, you know? And so I love being being out in those parts, but I also, you know, I get I get just as excited to I mean, hell, go to the cowgirl and, and have a bite to eat or have a beer and see some music or whatever.

Kene 00:34:21  Well, so.

Speaker 3 00:34:21  I.

Bunny 00:34:22  So, so here's what I'd like to do for the next podcast that you're that that you're going to be on because because we know we want to come back and talk more. But, I'd like, you know, if we could come up with a list of, you know, New Mexico musicians that, that we can interview and, talk to, even do it together. It'd be really fun to the, you know, we we talk a lot about place, and we talk a lot about food. and, and I'm about to do a podcast about New Mexico books, but I think, I mean, like I said, I think the music scene is alive and well, and it's everything from, you know, opera to Americana. So. So let's figure that out. Let's first of all, though, let's set up a dive dive bar tour for sure.

Speaker 3 00:35:19  Oh yeah.

Kene 00:35:20  I think that's got to happen.

Bunny 00:35:22  I think that's got to be our priority.

Kene 00:35:24  Yeah, that's that is a good priority.

Kene 00:35:26  So cool.

Bunny 00:35:26  Well, you send me a list of ideas and I'll do the same thing and then we'll set it up.

Bunny 00:35:31  Okay, Kenny, thanks for being here. We're going to put up links to all of your music. And we're going to since you guys have 100 songs, we're dying to hear how you get. I mean, we want to we want to hear the next album. How's that?

Kene 00:35:45  Sure. Me too.

Speaker 3 00:35:45  Me too. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 5 00:35:48  So cool.

Speaker 3 00:35:49  We'll talk.

Bunny 00:35:49  Soon. Thank you so much. All right.

Kene 00:35:52  Thank you so much.