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On the Horrorwolf666 podcast, I talk to horror lovers from the metal and heavy music community, as well as authors, actors, directors, and more. I also do a few spin-off series, including one on Stephen King, Seinfeld and The Devil’s Chord doom podcast.
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The Devil’s Note: YOB
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On this episode of “The Devils Note” me and Chuck talk about one of our favorite bands, “YOB.” As always i had a killer time talking with Chuck and I hope you enjoy the episode.
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On this episode of The Devil's Note, me and Chuck talk about one of our favorite bands, Yub. Had a killer time talking with Chuck as always, and it was really cool breaking down, you know, one of our favorite bands, and yeah, Yab is a special band to both of us. And yeah, I really hope you enjoy this episode, and I really appreciate everybody listening. After you're done with this episode, make sure you check out my fellow horsemen of the podcast Apocalypse Everything Went Blank Podcast. Into the Necrosphere, the Necromaniacs podcast, Spitball Media, Eyeblitz Manifestations, and the Soul Knox podcast. Also, don't forget to like and rate this podcast on whatever service that you use, that helps. And also, I just recently made a Patreon for this podcast. And um on the Patreon, there's gonna be some uh bonus episodes that are not available on the main feed. So there's gonna be some cool stuff on there, and uh hopefully even cooler stuff to come in the future. But uh the Patreon for that is www.patreon.com slash the Horwolf Six Six Sticks Podcast. And I'll also have the link to that in the show notes. So uh thanks so much for all the support. And once again, I hope you enjoy this episode. All right, so we are back for another episode of our our like music side podcast that we've been doing. Uh I think we're calling it what the devil's note, I believe.
SPEAKER_03Devil's note.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, which I think is a very suitable name for like a mix of horror and metal, you know, mostly doom, but still, you know.
SPEAKER_03All the heavy, all the heavy tones.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03Thanks for having me on, man.
SPEAKER_00It's always good to have you on, man. And uh this is gonna be uh this should be a video podcast, as long as uh the editing and all goes okay with this one. So this is our first video podcast, which I'm pretty new at. I've been doing audio for a long time. The video is definitely something new, but kind of fun, kind of scary.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, you have to show off that Nasferatu uh you know cutout in the background and your neurosis poster.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I got some Mandy stuff behind me too. But as of right now, the lighting's a bit harsh in here, and I'm trying to work on that so you can see what I have behind me a little bit better. And I have a few more things on add to like my mantle and stuff behind me. But uh work on the lighting. Lighting's uh a tricky thing, uh, it seems to be for uh video podcasting, but uh I get a hold of it eventually.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Yeah, I have an artist friend of mine, Rich. Um he we talk about art-related stuff all the time, but he actually has figured it out a lot about lighting um because of like his workspace where he does pen striping and everything. So he was like recommending some things to me, like LED lighting that's actually good for working. So if I still have the links, I could send them to you, you know, if it might be of some help, you know, kind of get it, get it, you know, under control because I can see there's a major glare coming off that poster.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's a really awesome signed poster by uh Panos Cosmados for Mandy. Then my wife comes.
SPEAKER_03I can't even tell what it is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm like, man, it'd be really cool if you see the poster there. And um, I got a few other things I could say I want to have up there that are really cool, but you know, I have one overhead light in this room and it's really harsh. And if I turn that light off, completely black in here.
SPEAKER_03That's what if we want to do a black metal episode, we can do that. We could just have like you know, one one bulb in the back corner and it'll just be like our silhouettes.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that'll be cool. Yeah, that's a good idea. I was thinking of that, or like just having one red light in here. That'd be kind of cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_00We used to do that with uh trip into mechanism. My former band, we would play with red lights on stage, all only red lights, as long as the venue allowed it. You know, some venues are kind of weird about their lighting, but we bring our own and um the red light is uh something eerie about it, and it kind of they say it encourages violence. I don't know that's true, but you know, it's it's cool to think that, you know.
SPEAKER_03Sure, and at the very least, if it helps conjure the rifts, then I mean it's a win, right? I don't think anyone's gonna get killed on stage. So I think as long as you can just it helps with the you know the music and everything, then that's all that matters. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Um, before we get into our well, this episode's gonna be on Yab, by the way, so I don't think we mentioned that, but yeah, this is a whole episode on Yab, which is one of our favorite bands, you know. Yeah, the best bands ever do it.
SPEAKER_03They're just they're a force of nature, you know, like we said about in our other episode about neurosis. I feel like Yab is another band that is just well, we'll get into it, but I you know, I wrote some things down just about the you know, the the thing, the visuals that I get by listening to the music, and that you know, it was always a sign that a band has found their you know, you know, their orbit and their willing to operate in.
SPEAKER_00So um but yeah, before we get into like your what we're watching, what we're reading, uh recently, well, as of what like two days ago, Neurosis announced some shows like out of nowhere. I knew they were doing like the fire in the mountains and all that stuff. That that already knew about, but they happened to announce a show in Asheville in September with Kylessa, fucking Melvins and Acid Bass. So um had to believe I pulled off on the side of the road at work, threw out my car, just fumbled across the website where I had to get the ticket. I think it was e-takes, and uh yeah, I got them before they sold out, and um very excited about that. Yeah, it's gonna be my third time seeing the roses.
SPEAKER_03That's good. Yeah, I mean, I was just literally before I saw that, and they also announced two shows at the Fillmore in San Francisco. I don't know if you saw that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I saw that too.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. So it like literally I was talking to somebody else about I I think, oh, I was at band practice, and I said, I can't wait to see what else they announce because you know, towards the end of their existence, like before they, you know, had the unfortunate, you know, events happen where they broke up, they were definitely not touring as much. So when you knew they were going to be out, you really had to take advantage of it because it's not like years past where they just used to be on the road for a long time. So I was really curious. And of course, if they you know playing with acid bath, I mean, that's just all those acid bath lineups have just been amazing. And um the fact that they're doing two in San Francisco. I I hope they because you know they've always made it a point to play in Philly and in New York, that hopefully, you know, they'll come out this way. But if I had more time, I would definitely have invested in Asheville to take like a road trip down there because you know, we were just in Asheville after our Disney trip. I had been down there a lot because my sister lived there for a few years and um thought that such a cool city. And there's I've heard of the Hellbender, but I've never seen a show there. But they uh they also have a eulogy, which is the venue that Burial Brewing owns, and that I mean, I saw the posters and it was like, oh, pig destroyer is playing, dead guys playing, napalm death's playing. I'm like, this would be my place. I'd be here. I'd want a job there, just so I can see all these shows.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that would be killer. And um the Hellbell, I mean um Hellbender place is brand new. Like they had their first show last night. Oh, okay. It's an extension of the Orange Field, which is another venue in Asheville. Oh yeah, I've heard of that. Yep. And this is an outdoor venue, so it's right on the river and stuff. And uh they had their first show last night, so they're working out some kinks from what I was seeing on Facebook. And hopefully by the time uh September comes around, like everything will be worked out and you know, good to go. Because uh this is a huge show, and neurosis is still my favorite band. And having fucking Aaron, Aaron Turner on fucking, yeah, that's just it's crazy.
SPEAKER_03Dude, I literally just got chills by you saying that. I think just everybody is just so elated. It's like in 2026, who would have thought that like the the reuniting of Neurosis with Aaron Turner would be the highlight of the year, you know, and just dropping a record. And even the fact that they have Scott Evans who recorded it. I mean, I'm such a fan of everything that guy does between you know, he's in Calhoun Wall City, he records all these great records, he designs a guitar pedal. So I'm like, this is just all my favorite things converging at once.
SPEAKER_00So still the best record of the year so far. I don't think it's gonna be beat. Not for me, anyways. Like yes, perfection.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't think I've heard anything else. I mean, I know there's a lot of things that came out that I haven't checked out, but I know that it's gonna be hard to top that, you know. I was just I have to order my copy of the record, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I um my wife ordered me a copy back in June, and she had to get it from somewhere in Europe because the ones over here were sold out. So I'm still waiting on that one.
SPEAKER_03It's probably from Evil Greed.
SPEAKER_00Possibly. I'm not sure where she ordered it from, but it's in the United States now. But once it got once it got over here, the tracking number kind of disappeared, so it's just somewhere here and it should be here eventually.
SPEAKER_03I think Mike and Jeff were just talking about that. How you know it the record got released on streaming and everything, but it's taken till now to get records, like the pre-orders and everything is just taking a long time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know. It'd be well worth it. I can't wait.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Evil Creed is a really cool company. They they're based in Berlin, I believe, and they um they have all these stores for all these bands from all over the world, and it's just you know, they have all the merch, they have all the records, and uh I spent an hour on that website just looking at every band that you know I I just wanted to order stuff from. So yeah, pretty cool. I gotta order my copy.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, definitely. Yeah, uh Neurosis and ISIS, man, they're the bands that got me off of new metal when I was a teenager, especially Neurosis. I told Aaron that too. It was like, yeah, without ISIS, I'd still probably be listening to corn or something, which is horrible. But you know, you gotta start somewhere. But I'm not saying corn is horrible for that time frame, I guess, are okay, but you know, it just that kind of music really opened up my mind to you know, other cool things besides new metal and you know, grunge mostly. That's why I used to listen to as a teenager.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's like a fork in the road because all these it just seemed like the musician, there's so many musicians out there, but there was a fork in the road where you you want to play heavier music, but which way do you go? You know, you either go more the underground route or you go in, you know, where you still want to get signed and be big. So you ended up it's almost like new metal and like whatever ISIS is, is almost like on a parallel path. They were exploring all these heavy, heavy sounds, low-tuning, but they went in different directions with the music. So I think it both both served their purpose to inspire people, you know, because there is like I can go back and listen to Mud Vane. I can, you know, there's a lot of bands that got lumped in with new metal, like Deft Tones, and you know, that's how genres are though. They don't always apply to every band, but some people have to put them in a genre, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, dude, I love the Deftton's. Also, like top 10 favorite bands of all time. Yeah, they don't they do no wrong in my book. All their albums are solid. Their last one was really good. Took me a few listens to really get a feel for it. But once I did, I was like, oh man, this is perfection.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. They it's it's a really good one. I my friend uh Matt, who plays bass in uh my band Ethereal Tides, shout out to Matt. He uh he he just told me that there was a record that never got officially released. I guess it was when she passed away, their bassist, and and it and somehow the files got leaked. So they're online, but the fan never properly released it, and he was really excited that it actually was out because he said, I've been waiting for this for all this time because he's a huge Depthones fan. You know, he just got he just got adrenaline uh tattooed on his forearm. So uh, but he you know, he said, you know, this is just something that all the fans have always wanted to hear, but the band never wanted to release it. So, you know, it's kind of a good thing and a bad thing, I'm sure if the band's not happy about it, but it is what it is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it definitely. And uh, yeah, that's a band that connects a lot of different genres together, you know, the kind of new metal-y type stuff, which I never really consider them new metal myself. There's just something I like art metal or something, I don't know what you throw them into, but it was like you know, something different. And uh also you mentioned Mud Vein. Yeah, uh recently I went back to listen to some old Mudvain, like LD50, I think it was. I'm like, this is still pretty damn good, man. Like, I don't know what I would classify this as. Is it really new metal or not? But uh, you know, still holds up pretty good.
SPEAKER_03Sure. I heard I recently heard a podcast with Dez from Cold Chamber, you know, and he does Devil Driver now, and he was talking about how it was an interesting interesting perspective on New Metal because he said when all those bands were first coming up, they really were trying to do something different and not sound like the other bands. And he brought up bands like Disturbed and um I don't know, could I can't think of another one right now, but he said they were like people called them new metal, but they really wanted to get on the radio and be mainstream. He's like bands like Old Chamber and the other bands. We weren't really thinking about that necessarily, we just wanted to do something different. So I have a lot of respect for that. That is for any group, any fans that want to try to do their own thing, it just unfortunately became a thud of a lot of jokes, and it's just is what it is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, I've been going down a nostalgia train of YouTube videos or stuff like the early 2000s and late 90s, and uh one band that I really gotten into that I I knew about when I was younger, but really got into them recently as of like this year is Failure. Failure is such a fucking good band.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, such a great band.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, did you did you see the documentary? I have not seen the documentary yet, but I've been watching a lot of like uh of their like newer live performances, and they are still so good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they they played here I think when they put out that first new record and as a duration of the band or um you know version of the band, they played the stone pony, and I didn't really I knew they were always a popular band because I remember when they were touring with Tool and they were really getting bigger, but I couldn't believe all the people that were younger than me that were at this show that knew every word to their songs, it was packed, it was like a sold-out show. It was at the Stone Pony, and I just couldn't believe that they were they resonated with so many younger people, you know, that their music was, you know, but it was it was a great show. I mean, it sounded amazing, and but you gotta watch that documentary. I think you can watch it on Amazon Prime. Um, but it's so good because it just, you know, they're all very so talented, and you know, with studio stuff. Um, one of the guys I think did a lot of soundtracks, so it's a really good one. You'll appreciate the band even more by watching it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I definitely uh put that on on my watch list, but uh yeah, that band I I can't get enough of them. And uh Ethan Embry, I had him on the show last year or year before last. Might have been a while. Time flies, but Ethan Embry was all about failure and stuff, and we're talking about failure for a bit, and that really kind of it resonated with me a bit and kind of got me back into like you know, going down that that rabbit hole that is failure. And I'm like, God, they're good. And there's something to it. I'm I'm craving that that nostalgic sound that they have, you know, from the uh mid to late 90s. It just kind of takes me back, you know, because shit's kind of crazy, and I need like uh a mental break, and that kind of takes me there for a bit, you know. So I think that's for a lot of people right now with failure. I think that that sound is what we're looking for to kind of take us back a bit, you know, simpler times, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Well, and you and you're hearing that heavier shoegazy post-hardcore sound coming out in newer bands, you know. So it's like they all like I think nothing is a prime example of a band that you know, you I hear like the stone roses and bands like that in their sound, but then I also hear like failure or slow dive or you know, I hear a lot in their sound, and I think that and that's even I think even nothing has been around for a while that they're inspiring other younger bands too that might get lumped into the the hardcore scene, but they're really you hear a lot of that 90s influence in their in their sound, you know. I think it's just you know, I it's just kind of those kind of bands, I think they just appeal to a lot of different people. So you you know, you could get people who like extreme metal like us, but also people that like lighter stuff would like those bands too.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, definitely the the appeal factor is pretty heavy with them, and uh yeah. Also, um hum is making a big comeback too. I noticed they're kind of everywhere, and Hum was back during what the mid-90s, early 90s, and heavy ass guitar tones, very underrated for their time, but I think they're finally getting their come up ins now. I've been seeing it everywhere. Hum, unless it's just my algorithm where it's popping up on everything. I've been listening to a lot of hum, but I think they're kind of catching on with the newer generation.
SPEAKER_03I think they I think they just played live a couple times. I know one of their core members passed away, but I mean Matt Talbot, you know, he's been a producer for a long time. He's uh you know, they their name again, they've just influenced so many musicians, and I think that's kept them alive. And you know, I I went back, I remember when that um that stars video was on MTV, and I'm thinking like that guitar sound is so heavy for a melodic band. And you know, just hearing, you know, again where they took it, but it they never got to a huge level. They just reached this, like, you know, I guess it's a sweet spot where you know, I'm sure they got some commercial success, but they influenced a lot of musicians, which is keeping you know that alive, I think.
SPEAKER_00Definitely. Well, um, what are uh what have you been uh besides all the like kind of retro music we've both been listening to? What um what have you been watching and what have you been reading as of late?
SPEAKER_03Um reading-wise, I have been I have a book of Adam Neville's short stories, Hasty to the Dark. And um I go back every once in a while and I'll just read like one short story. I really think I need to invest in more books of short stories because you know, I I have a little ADD when it comes to reading. I'll usually have like I think I probably mentioned this last time, I'll read a couple books at a time. You know, like if I want to read a music-related, you know, nonfiction, I'll read that, but then I need something as an escape, so I'll read something horror-related. So I'll I have a whole bunch of stuff on my nice hand. And um, yeah, Adam Neville. Um I'm also really I'm I'm in I'm reading Frankenstein for Mary Shelley, which I've actually never read before.
SPEAKER_01Oh, classic.
SPEAKER_03And and after watching the new movie, it's uh it's if I hadn't seen the movie, I would have been so confused in the beginning of the book because of the way it starts. You know, it starts from the the point of view of the captain of that ship and him writing letters to his sister. Have you read this?
SPEAKER_00Um I have, but it's been many, many years, so I haven't been refreshed on it.
SPEAKER_03So it's a it's a short read, but it's it's really good. So I'm reading that, and then um I'm reading a book that was written by LeBon Helm from the band. I I love the band. They're like one of my favorite, you know, fans ever. And uh I've just been getting into them a lot more because we've been going up to Woodstock a lot, and uh, you know, that's where they kind of made their home base at some point in their career. So this book was written by him back in I want to say it was in the 90s, but I typed it up when we were up in Woodstock recently, and it's just he's such a good writer, and um, I'm learning so much about the band, about what Woodstock used to be like. Um so I've been reading that, and uh what else? Oh, there's a book called The Art of War. I think I might have mentioned this before, written by Stephen Thressfield, and he's um you know, he was a screenwriter, but he's a guy that he's an older gentleman. I think he's in his 80s now, but he's done a lot of different things in his life. And this book particularly, it's all about something which he calls resistance, whereas like as a creative person, he calls it resistance, where it's like distractions, right? Say you're working on your podcast or you're working on a practice porn, and you let you let yourself get easily distracted from the creative work that you feel like you have to do. So it's kind of like a guidebook. It's like each chapter is only a couple pages, but it's kind of like a handbook on how to stay focused on what you're doing. Um, you know, it talks about Greek mythology with the muses and all that, and um it's just a really helpful book because I I get derailed from creative stuff all the time. And uh, but you know, I have a lot of stuff going on in my life too, like a lot of people do. And you know, sometimes you're like, well, I could go spend an hour playing guitar or doing or drawing, but then you get distracted by something else. So this that's what I read. Like I have it with me at work and everything. I'll just read a couple pages and then go back to work. You know, it's a it's a good reminder to stay focused on what you want to do creatively.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I'll keep that in mind because I have that same issue, man. Like I get distracted very easily, especially with cell phones, social media, all that stuff. Because I'm always like, I need to be doing something with social media, keeping Thinks relevant, make sure I share stuff, do this, do that. And then my mind just goes all over the place. And then sometimes I just sit and stare into the void for a second or dirty into an hour. You know what I mean? Like my brain just like yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I love the way he describes it as this it's almost like a force in the universe. You know, maybe some people would say it's oh, it's the devil, or it's the, you know, they want to put some sort of like pseudo-religious name to it, but he just, you know, just he feels it's a it's a it's a force in the world that uh that exists and it wants you to not live your life to your potential, even if it's just as simple as doing a podcast, or if it's like, oh, I want to go back to school because I always wanted to be a you know, a doctor or something. You know, it's just you know it it's it's helpful, I think, just to get it through the daily life because like you said, with the computers and or um social media and um our phones, it's just have a distraction in our pocket every day. Um, but that's it on the that's it about on the reading front. How about you?
SPEAKER_00Uh let me check get my list out here. I keep everything uh noted on uh Goodreads, which is a great app to like rate stuff and yeah, because uh if now I'll have to write that down. Have to shit a fucking read. Um, let's see here what I have my profile. I'm reading something right now. Actually, I can tell you what I'm reading right now. That's on my Kindle app, which I love the Kindle app. Um, I have a paper white my wife got me for my birthday a couple years ago. It's a game changer, man, because trying to find good lighting to actually read correctly is hard in this house. And having that Kindle white has changed everything. It's awesome. So I recommend that. Um, I still support physical media, but I like to buy the books and then read it on Kindle. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Well, it's just like streaming in physical media with music, same thing, you know. Right. You want to support the physical, but you know, you you still have to think about you know convenience and also you know, you don't want you don't want to make your eyesight worse, you know. Right. Write that that app down to the good reads.
SPEAKER_00Uh I'm reading a book right now, which was actually free a couple weeks ago. Um, a friend of mine I met at Spooky Empire many years ago. Um his name is uh Robbie Dorman. He's an author, our author, and uh he had a free book out. Um he had it free for like a week. It was a Kindle uh edition of this werewolf novel called Conquest, which I'm almost done with as we speak. Very cool. Uh highly recommended. The werewolves are brutal, like eight feet, ten feet tall, werewolves. Like, you know, the way they should be, like just brutal as fuck. Uh really enjoying this one. I'm almost done with that. Uh, I think you can find it pretty cheap on Kindle if it's not still free for like maybe five bucks or so. Well worth it.
SPEAKER_03Um I know you love werewolves, so I feel like I do, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I know that's your that's your jam, so I gotta uh have to, yeah, I'm writing that down now.
SPEAKER_00Uh just recently you got done with the new Adam Neville novel, Monumental. Have you read Monumental yet?
SPEAKER_03I haven't. In fact, I really one of the next books I'd like to tackle would be I Wanna Read the Ritual. Because you know, the guys on the necromaniacs talking about how the the the lore and that whole section of the book that doesn't trans that didn't get you know included in the movie. Um I I would love to like read that just for that, you know, reason. So I I gotta I gotta get that. But um I'm sure all his books, how many have you read of his so far?
SPEAKER_00I would say at least six or seven.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that I can come off the top of my head, probably six or seven of his stuff. It's all good. Um, and he's also like a metal head, too. Like you'll find that out when you read the ritual, like the stuff they kept out of the movie. It's like there's some black metal stuff going on, which is like it really adds to it, man. I like I preferred a book so much more than the movie, and I enjoyed the movie, but the book is way better. Yeah, that's you can see that in the um I also read uh which is kind of on the mainstream thing, but uh Joe Hill's new epic novel, which is like 500 pages or so, was a long read. Uh King Sorrow, that was pretty good. Uh and uh Joe Hill, I mean, if you like Stephen King, he's very close to his dad in his writing style. Okay, I do prefer his dad's stuff a little bit more, but Joe Hill's still very good. And uh King Sorrow was a great book. Very long, though, so expect to be reading on that for a while.
SPEAKER_03500 pages, that's a long one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um are you um I'm just curious, what do you have a ritual with reading, like at a certain time of the day?
SPEAKER_00I do, which is kind of this might be kind of weird, but uh I wake up about four o'clock every morning, get ready to go to work. Uh, you know, once I get to work, I eat my breakfast and stuff. I have about 30 minutes before I have to clock in. So I read in the morning time. So you know I read in the morning, and I also I'm a big uh advocate for reading before I go to bed. I try to do it every night, and that also helps me sleep. But like that's my two prime reading times is like before work and at night. And sometimes I read like on a Sunday afternoon. If I get everything done, I need to get done, you know. But sure, sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've never thought about reading in the morning, and Mike Hill said he reads in the morning too, and I never thought of that before, but I might I might try that if I can carve it out in the morning. You know, my my work schedule's changed a couple times with my new job, so I haven't quite got a morning routine down yet, but I pretty much read almost every night before I go to bed, you know, so that it helps me sleep.
SPEAKER_00It does, man. And I'm getting older, so like uh a couple chapters I'm out, you know.
SPEAKER_03It's about as far as I go, too.
SPEAKER_00Then I wake up and my kindle's on the floor because the cat's knocked it off and all that good stuff. So I have to find my kindle every morning wherever they slid it off to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're you know, cats you love them, man, but they are assholes, you know, they love to knock your stuff over.
SPEAKER_00Definitely. Um, also something too. I'll I've um I got into this was a recommendation from Mike Scheit, uh Edward Lee. He's an author I really didn't know too much about, but supposedly he is like the godfather of uh Splatter Punk, or one of the godfathers of Splatterpunk. And uh I got into uh his series, uh The Infernal, it's called the Infernal series, and each book is a different story, and it's like a it's a really graphic, but like comedic take on like hell and the goings-on in hell and all that stuff and earth and everything, and it's uh really gory and funny and fucking weird, grotesque. But uh I start off with like uh Infernal Angels the first book in this series I got into, and I finally finished a whole series recently, and uh it's really good, very grotesque, very like yeah, it's it's something.
SPEAKER_03But I remember you mentioning him in that episode, you know, you guys talked a lot about reading and different things you were checking out, so yeah, I'm not I wasn't familiar with him at all, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I definitely uh recommend his work. I've only read the Infernal series so far from him, but he's got a ton of other books, so I just haven't got to those yet. Sure. So enjoying those, and that's about what I'm doing right now on the reading front. Like so I'm finishing Conquest as we speak, and I'm not sure where I'm gonna go from there. I've been reading a lot of Splatter Punk, and I think I need a break from all the grotesque like imagery and stuff. I need, I guess, more of a story. So I'm like I don't know what I'm I'm doing uh audiobook version of uh Everything Adventure by Stephen King because that's gonna be the next podcast me and Jeff do. You know, we're doing our Stephen King short story episode.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I enjoy that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm doing the audiobook version of that because sometimes I do audiobooks and read at the same time. That way I can have like two or three books going at the same time. So I'm doing that right now, and that one's really good. And um, yeah, I don't know where I'm gonna go from here. We'll see. There's a few other things on Reed that's out there, and we'll see. I'm just not sure.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Is that a newer um title from Stephen King?
SPEAKER_00No, this one I think was from the 90s or early 2000s, which is for me, like the older the Stephen King stuff is, the better when it comes to his short stories. So yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, you know what?
SPEAKER_03I didn't read that many. Yeah, I don't think I've read that many.
SPEAKER_00I actually I think I prefer some of his like uh actual novels over his short stories and stuff, like it and you know, and yeah, and like the stand and all that stuff. I think I might prefer that over short stories, or they could be kind of even. I'm not really sure. I had to think about that for a bit, but I I I love Stephen King as a whole, so yeah.
SPEAKER_03I have um when they came out that new uh new Salem Spot movie, of course, you know, Target had like uh you know a new version of it with the cover where it said, you know, as a now as a motion picture, and uh so I have that to read too. I think I read Salem Spot because I felt like I had a lot of in the 90s I had a lot of the paperbacks. My sister has a lot of them too, put away in storage, but uh I know I read The Dead Zone. I think uh I never read The Stand.
SPEAKER_00Oh, The Stand is great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've only read a handful. I always say I'm gonna go back and watch. Yeah, I uh they were just uh um I know we're getting off topic a little bit, but the um have you watched The Search of Darkness? Any of those the horror documentaries that right now?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I haven't seen the newest one. I don't think it's on Shutter quite yet. The one where they go, I think the 70s is the next one they're doing, but I've seen everything up to whatever the newest one is, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, yeah, we we're we just finished the 90s, because that's two parts, and we just finished that. You know, it was a reminder of you know, of course, there's a lot of movies, you know, that were huge, but there was a lot of deep cuts that I never heard of and thought, wow, I'd watch that, you know. So I was I was trying to take some notes because you know those those those uh those docs are long, you know, they're three or four hours a clip, so it's it's a lot of information. Some of them you're like, oh that's cool, but I don't think I'm gonna take the time to watch it. But there's there was a lot of gems in the 90s that I never even knew existed, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I hear a lot of people say the 90s weren't really good for horror, but like the late 90s, not so much, but like mid-90s, early 90s, some really good stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I definitely enjoyed the 90 to 94 better than 90 than 95 to 99. But you know, they're you know, that becomes the you know, I know what you did last summer, and it you know, it's they were they were just trying different things out to see what would stick, you know. Yeah, yeah, definitely because it was some good underground stuff. But uh yeah, I mean, as far as watching goes, I I've been creeping along with Alien Earth. Um, I think I'm four episodes into that. Um which I know you said you weren't too big on that series.
SPEAKER_00Um, I like maybe one or two episodes. I think the first one and the second episode were cool, but everything after that is kind of lost me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's it's getting a little I'm wondering where it's gonna go because it it throughout I found myself like looking at my phone, like wanting to look at my phone or looking to see how long the episode was left. I was a little bored in some places, but I I just want to see where it's going, you know, and I know they're gonna do another season. It's it's definitely it's it's got a very unique look. Um the creatures look great, they have a good task, so it's got all the ingredients, but maybe they need to tweak some things to keep the story interesting. But uh so yeah, I'm halfway through that. I actually started watching Fallout. Did you watch the series? I do.
SPEAKER_00I enjoyed Fallout, yeah. Very good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm only three episodes in, but it's I'm really enjoying that. I think that's really and I didn't I never played the game, but I've known about it, and I think the series is uh pretty awesome so far.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it is I've watched every season that's out, and uh yeah, very good series. Highly recommend that one.
SPEAKER_03The only uh and as far as movies go, um I've been on a journey with the hammer films. I'm really like really obsessed with that world right now, and um, it just took me while listening to that Hammertime podcast. Um, you know, it's an offshoot of the evolution of horror, the British podcast. And um yeah, it the the two people that do it, Becca Dark and Kevin Lyons, they are just so entertaining. And Kevin Lyons is uh just an encyclopedia of knowledge when it comes to hammer films. So I've watched one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I've watched eleven of these films so far, and they they just what really is amazing is how quickly they were able to make those movies. You know, they were doing one or two a year, so they and they were, you know, they were reusing, but knowing that they were on such small budgets to create those movies, they just look amazing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And you know, I I love their version of Dracula and the Mummy and um Frankenstein, all the different Frankenstein movies. I really liked the Corgon. The Corgon was really good. Twins of Evil is a really good one. Um but you know, you got Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee. I mean, you just you can't go wrong there. You know, those guys are geniuses and you just can't think of horror without them. Yeah, you know. Uh yeah, that's more or less what I've been consumed with as far as movies go. I you know, I've I rewatched American Gangster a couple times this last month. I just love that's one of my favorite movies ever. Um I didn't actually know, even though I'd seen the movie probably at least half a dozen times, I didn't know that Ridley Scott directed it. No, no, no, no, no, no, I thought that was true. It's it doesn't seem like a film he would do, but I think it's a perfect film. And the fact that it's a true story is is pretty mind-blowing.
SPEAKER_00You know that one? Uh I have seen it, but I don't I can't recall it off the top of my head. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's so good. It's got definitely.
SPEAKER_00When did that one come out? It came out in like the 2000s, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's definitely the early 2000s, like Josh Rowan, um, Russell Crow, Denzo Washington, um uh the uh Rizza from the Wu-Tang clan. Um like Rizza, yeah. Uh Common, the rapper, he's in there. Um, it's just it's a real I'm Eva Selva is in it, and I think that was the first time I ever saw him in a film. Great film. I just love it from start to finish.
SPEAKER_00So I need to uh revisit that one because if I have seen it, which I thought I did, I don't know, it doesn't sound too familiar, but that cast seems awesome. So I had to give that a watch if I haven't seen it then.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you know who else is in it? Is um I can never remember his name, but to me, he's always gonna be Buffalo Bill from Sounds of the Lands. He's a he's the um uh uh police chief in American Gangster. He's in that as well.
SPEAKER_00Nice. Yeah, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but I know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, so that's a great one. But yeah, what about you? What have you been watching?
SPEAKER_00Uh Widow's Bay is so far my favorite TV show of the year, I think, so far. Or it's one of them. Have you seen Widow's Bay yet on Apple TV?
SPEAKER_03No, but it's been um talked about a lot on Necronaniacs, so I definitely wrote that down. Um what what what streaming is that on? Apple?
SPEAKER_00It's on Apple, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So I have to get back on Apple again because I there's a second season of Monarch, and I really gotta watch that. Did you check that out? Are you that world?
SPEAKER_00Me and my wife are watching Monarch and stuff, and it the trailers made it look really cool, but uh it was boring, man. I want to see more monsters and less like boyfriend and girlfriend drama, you know. So I don't know if season two has gotten better. It has actually more monsters in action, but I know the first season was kind of a drag for us.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, one of my one of my good friends told me that it comes out of the gate heavy with the monsters. So you know, because I I said I had the same complaint that you wait until what the fifth or sixth episode until things really start happening. I mean, I like all the flashbacks with like the beginning of Monarch and everything, but there's definitely a little too much of the other stuff to balance it out. But once uh, so I have I have high hopes for the second season.
SPEAKER_00So okay, you know, I I kind of want to try it out again because I have a new sound setup and stuff and a new TV since the last time I watched it. So, you know, I know Apple does really good when it comes to their like uh their sound quality and their video quality on their app is really good compared to most like streaming services. So I might go back just to check it out for that reason alone.
SPEAKER_03So I uh I was gonna suggest. Um, I mean, I also saw I forgot I also wrote down that I've watched the uh the Swans documentary probably for the 10th time, and uh it's on Amazon Prime, and um I also own the physical copy, and um because there's a lot of great extra footage, like extra interview footage. And um sometimes if I don't know what to watch, I'll just put that on, and it just even though I've never achieved anything close to what you know they have, but when you're a musician and you're gonna just pursuing something that is you know more niche or underground, you watching something like that or even the failure documentary, it's like it really just keeps you inspired to see the hardships that people went through to kind of you don't always get credit for be the being the first band to do something, and Swans was definitely a prime example of that. Like all the everything they did, it was like people caught on to after they were already past it, you know, they were always changing. So I've watched that documentary. If you haven't seen that, I would definitely recommend checking that out.
SPEAKER_00Okay, duly noted. Um a big Swans fan, so I haven't seen that and didn't know that was on there. But Amazon shows me all kinds of other things in my algorithm, and uh, I guess I skipped by all that good stuff.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not maybe maybe it's on Tubi now, but either way, it's still free. So it started off on Amazon, but it um I I could be wrong in my yeah, to be, but either way, you it you definitely check it out. There's you know interviews with all the past members and you know other people that were in their circle, and yeah, it's a great one.
SPEAKER_00So on the movie uh front or whatever, I would recommend uh backrooms, which is so far my favorite film of the year. Backrooms is fucking awesome. Really? Um I also followed the YouTube videos before the movie came out. So I knew about you know the whole backrooms a while ago, and I thought it was creepy as shit back then, and then the movie came out and stuff, and it really translated the like you know YouTube videos over really well. Like the movie worked, it was it was great.
SPEAKER_03Um I just listened to the necromaniacs episode about that.
SPEAKER_00It's haunting, man. Like uh once you see the backrooms or figure, you know, watch the YouTube videos on the backrooms, it stays with you, man, because it's such a different type of horror, you know. It's it definitely sticks with you. I've still been thinking about the film since I've seen it what a month ago now, but it's still with me in my head.
SPEAKER_03Um so is it um the the the the director of backrooms? Were they involved with the videos on YouTube?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so this is like an anthology? Is it what you say? It's like an anthology.
SPEAKER_00No, it's a it's a whole movie based off of one scenario in the backrooms for the most part. This guy gets lost in the backrooms and everything like that. Like the the shorts on YouTube, like uh Kane Pixel started the shorts, and then a bunch of people have made backroom videos of their own on YouTube. So if you go down that rabbit hole, there's a ton of backroom videos by different directors and stuff too on YouTube. But Kane is the original guy behind it, and he also did the movie, and he's only like 20 years old or something, which is really cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, I remember them mentioning that. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. I mean, there's some really, you know, there's some younger creative minds that are pushing the the art form forward. And um because people still, if they don't really follow horror, they still think it's all so formulaic. Like they almost took the 80s slasher thing, and they think it's still like that to this day. And I'm like, man, you are so you couldn't be more wrong, you know. Like you'll still have things that harken back to the the slasher era, but you know, it's uh it's not a uh you know, it's always gonna be a little fringe, but you know, the things that people have created are are just you know, they're just it it's just amazing to watch because you just never know, even if it's a year like this where it starts off slow, and now you're seeing some good stuff coming out, and you know, like uh werewolf's gonna squeak in right at the end of the year, like they did with Nosperatu. I cannot wait for that film.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, same here.
SPEAKER_03Uh that's probably the complaint about his movies that right, we haven't even seen it yet, and it's gonna be number one. Um yeah, I you know, I was a fan of, you know, I was a fan of Nosperatu. I know that some people have criticized him that you know he's more about style than substance, that sometimes the stories are a little boring. But I mean, I you know, I I maybe I haven't seen Nosperatu enough, but I still love it. I've only seen it twice, and I still think it's great. You know, I don't know. It's a great movie. Yeah, it just goes all in, you know, with the lore, the language, the set pieces, the um the effects. And um yeah, I'm also looking forward to the third Dune movie that's coming out this year.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, same here. I forget about that one. Yeah, I love the Dune series, and I like the books, so the movies translated over really well. And yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I thought I I can't think of another director who could have tackled that subject matter because those books I've only read the first one and they are dense. My father had read a bunch of them and he said, you know, his quote was they get real weird, you know.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah. They have their own dictionary for certain words and stuff. Of like the first book when you're reading it, like uh you're like, What the hell is that mean? What is this? And you have to flip to the back of the book where the dictionary is at for these certain words that are created for Dune. I'm like, This is epic.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, he was in that same same kind of stratosphere as like you know, Tolkien creating a whole language and everything just for uh just for Lord of the Rings, you know. Yeah, um, yeah, that's gonna be good. Yeah, we we managed to see the first two together, but he passed away last year, so he uh he said uh you know he he loved going to see them in movies and everything. So he turned me on in the 80s version of Dune, and I still love it, you know. I know he said, Yeah, I I think it still stands up, I think it's really unique, and I always liked that you really didn't know a lot about because they had condensed it into one movie. You don't really understand why a lot of things are happening, but that's David Lynch. You never get answers to right most of the things, even with something like Dune. So I I still back it.
SPEAKER_00Definitely, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00So that's the watching and reading front for myself, really. That's like noteworthy, you know. But uh, you know, there's some other good stuff like we just talked about. There's good shit coming out this year, so you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Always always looking to see what's coming up next. I know the crystal lake show is coming out of the series. Um Netflix is doing something sharp related. My wife sent it to me. Um it's a series, I believe, but it's about you know, it's supposed to be like uh trying to capture the spirit of uh of Jaws, you know. Um I saw one of the actors from Stranger Things is in it. Um I can't think of the name of it right now, but um but they're uh yeah, I mean, so that you know that could potentially be something really good too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm all down with the shark horror movies and stuff and the time of year for it.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. Where is that at? Um, here it is. Um Jaws Fans Netflix's upcoming six-part thriller. What is it called? Doesn't mean to say the name of it, but well anyway, it should be good.
SPEAKER_00Okay, cool. I'll keep a year out for it and stuff, and yeah. Awesome. Well, I guess uh now we can get down to uh some Yab Tonk, which is uh for one of our favorite bands, and yeah, uh I I'm expecting a new Yab album sooner than later because I think the last one was 2018. So uh yeah, I bet you maybe next year we're getting a new album. I haven't asked Mike about that. I just we've been kind of keeping it like you know, horror-related when we have for conversations, but uh starting a feeling there's something on the horizon.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean they take a while to make, but I mean with music like that, it takes time uh to you know just play the riffs. So I'd imagine their writing session is uh pretty glacial at best, but uh, you know, that's the way it's uh that's the way it's gotta be. Um what's the I think I asked you this about neurosis, but what was your entry point to Yab? Do you remember the first thing you heard from them?
SPEAKER_00Uh let me check on my notes here for me, make sure I don't say something stupid, but uh I believe the first thing that got me into Yab was uh my wife had this um she had this giant like bank of music on a hard drive. And uh, you know, I I've heard of Yab when I was a little bit younger and stuff, but I didn't really get into them until it was in my late 20s, early 30s. And um when I first met my wife and everything, she had that that big giant drive of music, and uh I believe it was the illusion of motion was one of the first things I heard from them, and I was like, That was always my entry point, yeah.
SPEAKER_03That was mine too.
SPEAKER_00And I was already into Doom and stuff, you know, like Weedy Deer and like uh Neurosis, of course, ISIS, all these other bands and stuff, but I didn't really know too much about Yob yet. And uh once I went down that rabbit hole, I was like, oh, this is amazing, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've I I think that was around that time that even when I discovered Neurosis, it was it was uh I just realized then that I was always gonna enjoy. I mean, I enjoyed all music of all speeds, let's call it, but when it's slower and you know, you fill all that with those lower BPMs, and you just start filling it in with all these, you know, there's just so much range in there, you know. So I I've just I got the tape, I still have it. I got the cassette of illusion of motion at the store. And I just remember putting it in my car and being like, This is the right speed, but it just I guess I hadn't heard anything like them yet, you know, that kind of slow, you know. Like neurosis, you know, they have a different sort of rhythm to their music. I think Jav has a very a rhythm to their music, the way Mike Wright's riffs.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and Mike's vocals too, like some of the best vocals in all of metal, because he can do like the clean singing, and but his fucking deep like gutturals are fucking amazing, man. They're so heavy.
SPEAKER_03And then he does that shrieking high vocal, almost like a like what some of those like proto metal bands were doing, you know. It's just it's it's like some rush stuff, you know, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, very similar.
SPEAKER_03So I like that he has such a vocal range because I can't think of another vocalist, especially in this genre of music, that has that kind of vocal range. You know, usually it would be like, okay, one member would do the lower stuff, and then maybe someone else would do the you know the higher vocals or something. But Mike, you know, I heard him say in an interview, he's like, I've always considered myself a vocalist first, and like I'm a better vocalist than a guitar player, and that could be argued because I think Mike especially when you hear him finger pick things, he's got a very because he's the only guitar player, and when you're the only guitar player, you you learn how to fill up more of a tonal range when you're playing slower like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely. It's great. Yeah, he definitely fills up the space for being this you know, single guitar player. And uh his like uh he's got these like upstrokes he does on a lot of his riffs, like is a signature thing he does, and I fucking love that so much. Adds so much like uh texture and just like it keeps you thinking, you know, like oh what was that like you know that was cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. I I I love the way his strumming style, I I've definitely been influenced by him for sure. I I think I can think of some of the riffs that I've written in bands where I'm like, yeah, that's a uh yup, pardon me, that's a yab riff for sure. And uh, you know, it's like no one else might pick up on it, but I'm like, yeah, that's definitely like that kind of a strumming pattern that he does, you know.
SPEAKER_00But later trip into mechanism stuff, like I think our last album we did, or was more of an EP, actually, it wasn't a whole album, but uh that was heavily influenced from Yab, like on my part from when it comes to riffing, it was very slow, very textured, very heavy, and this, you know, and that's because of Yab and Mike and the way he plays.
SPEAKER_03And you were the only guitar player in the band, correct?
SPEAKER_00I was the main guitar player, but uh like for live shows and these also on some of the albums, our bass player uh Layla, she would also pick up a guitar because she's a badass guitar player. Oh you know, she's really good. And she would grab a guitar and add more layers, and during live shows, sometimes we'd have two guitars going, no bass. We just tune a little bit lower, you know, different octave or whatever and stuff. But uh I'll I was a majority, I was a I was a guitar player, you know what I mean, like for most of the stuff, but she would also add her stuff in there too. So usually one guitar that would make sense then, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, that he would have an influence on you because you know, I've been the main I've been the only guitar player in most of the bands I've been in. You know, in fact, right now, this is the first time that ever I'm in two bands with two guitar players, so it's like and it's such a different playing opposite of two totally different people is definitely opening up my mind and pushing me more out of my comfort zone to play, you know, different things and not always having to hold down rhythm all the time.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, it's definitely a unique experience uh playing with somebody else. I'm I'm so used to being the only guitar player, like I can dictate, you know, where things go and stuff like that, but learning to play with somebody else, you know, that's also playing guitars, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_03It's tricky. It's tricky. You have to think about tuning, you have to think about amp sounds, you have to think about like I've already changed, I've gone through a couple of my overdrive pedals just trying to find one that works with the other guitar player in Ethereal Tides because it there is so much more space in our music and atmospheric stuff in addition to the riffs. It's like I'm really excited about the music we're writing, and because it's a band I've always wanted to do was have like a heavy stoner rock band, but have all the atmospherics of like Pink Floyd or even like you know, some instrumental bands like Mono and stuff. So, you know, I actually I put this aside because I wanted to show you, but I have like Mike Scheites like signature, yeah, yeah. And this is cool too because I actually picked this up at um this red colorway. They only did this for a tour, and he was selling these at the merch table, and this is actually where I got it. So I um I saw him at Union Transfer in Philadelphia, and I picked up this pedal, and I was so excited. I was like, I got to like you know, thank him and tell him how much his music meant to me because he was at the merch table. And um, yeah, I at his point I was using this pedal for my band, but as you I can't dial it in, it doesn't sound right to me. So I've been I have a Bong River um pedal that they did with Buzz Roaches, and that one actually is working out perfect. That's like a blend of two pedals in one, yeah. So you can blend the knobs, and uh it's a great pedal. Um, it's on my board right now, but it's got a goat's a goat's head on it, and each pedal has the light as an eye, so when you have them both on, is the goat's eyes light up is pretty awesome.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was very close to buying that pedal when it came out. I was like, man, that was cool. I was listening to the tones. Like, that's a very nasty tone. Like, uh I'm good for right now, but I want it.
SPEAKER_03They play a super low tuning, so they do. Um and you know, we don't, but it it's been working out pretty good, you know, with my with when we practice because the other guitar player actually plays like through single coil pickups, so our guitar style is trying to compliment him. But anyway, back to Yab. Um, but the pedal, you know, I'll never get rid of that pedal. I feel like it's just even if I'm using it in a band, I think it just holds a special place, you know, in my collection.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, never get rid of that. And it was cool you got to buy it right from Mike. Um, I haven't gotten to meet Mike in person before, but uh he's such a nice dude, and it just seems like a very loving human, you know what I mean? Like something about him that I wish everybody was like him, you know. He just he just exudes like you know positive stuff.
SPEAKER_03Did you happen to see the little video that he just posted about playing in Fire in the Mountains? It's so like it gave me chills because it that's just him putting out a positive message, but still a heavy message. But you know, because we aren't such dark times, I feel like right now, you know, he's you know, that's what fire in the mountains is for, you know, is trying to convey is that message of people coming together and and all, and that's gonna be an amazing lineup. And I can't wait to see the live footage from that. I mean, come on, you've got 16 horsepower, neurosis, yab, Emma Ruth Rundle, and Slave. I mean, it's just it's endless. It's just like one of the most perfect lineups.
SPEAKER_00It really is. Um, talking about some of those like Mike videos, then back during uh COVID times and stuff, Mike was doing some videos from his house where he just played a lot of his songs acoustically and stuff, and doing so fucking good. That got me through a lot of like weird times during that time, just seeing his like positivity showing over those videos and stuff, and it's kind of like you know, we needed that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he um I'd watched a lot of his gear videos many, many, many times, you know. Because I always curious how he made certain guitar sounds, like he just uses a MXR Phase 90 for a lot of that, you know, that modulation, and I was wondering what pedal that was, and I was just it was I think it was one put out by Dunwitch Amplification because he uses a couple of their pedals, and it was just him going through his effects chain. And I'm thinking it was some boutique pedal, but it was literally just an MXR phase 90, you know, and I feel like he uses that effect so much in his songs that it's just again between the the the way he has the pedal dialed in and his strumming patterns that that like is the mic rhythm sound, yeah. You know, it's so unique to him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and also um uh when I was looking at his like uh gear stuff or whatever, uh that's when I that's when I first found out about monsoon guitars. I I know that was his like I don't know if he plays the monsoon still now. I think he still does, but the monsoon guitars are so badass, man. I always wanted one of those. There's just like a giant hunk of fucking solid wood, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they they look pretty epic. I've only seen a couple other people play them, but I know they're considered a very like high-end instrument, you know, they're like custom made for people. And but he's actually playing the same narrol, he's playing the narwhal, the donable narwhal that I actually have one too. It's that old set. And he's been using that exclusively, and um, and I love it. My wife actually got it for me. I had another Dunable, and she found out that my friend's music store had one that someone sold back to his music store, so she got it for half price. Because you know, those American-made donables are are expensive, yeah. So she had it for me, and I love it. I'm using it in this band and um in Ethereal ties, and I just love the way it it plays, the way it feels. And actually, this one's made out of swamp ash, so it's actually nice and light, you know, because my other donable, my R2, that thing is made out of mahogany, and it's an explorer type body, so it's a lot of wood and it's heavy. So it sounds amazing, but it's heavy.
SPEAKER_00That's cool. Yeah, uh a Dunable would be something I would definitely want, even though I'm a BC Rich guy, but like a Dunable guitar would be amazing. I just since I'm not playing live or anything right now, I'm not in the need for another guitar. I have enough to do what I need to do, but I'm not saying I wouldn't get a Dunable when came by for a good price, you know what I mean? Uh that that would be the guitar we get, you know, is something you know from I think they have like a Minotaur or something that just came out or something like that.
SPEAKER_03Minotaur looks awesome, it's a double cutaway. It's that's a really cool looking guitar, too. Um, yeah, and then you know it's hard because there's a lot of they don't have a lot of dealerships carrying their guitar. So, like I, you know, maybe they have one in Charleston, but who knows? You'd have to look and see. Otherwise, order it and hope for the best, you know.
SPEAKER_00We don't have many music stores. We have guitar center and all that crap, but uh usually if I buy anything guitar related, it's from like people I know and I get it shipped to me or whatever, you know, like Black Hawk or if I want a guitar, I go find it like at uh somewhere else. But yeah, I don't really fuck with guitar center. It's too much, too much crap to do.
SPEAKER_03Well, if you ever found yourself up this way again, oh of course, yeah. If you ever found your way up this way again, I could take it at my friend Mike's store because he has many donables in in stock at any point, you know, like any and he actually carries the DE series, which are the less expensive ones that are made in South Korea, and uh they play awesome as well. The quality is is awesome on those two, you know, those are like around a thousand. So, but anyway, um yeah, yeah, man. I mean, I just I I feel like do you have a record that you go back to out of all their records? Because I've I've been kind of just shuffling through their records to see like what caught my eye, but you know, I always go back to clearing the path to ascend. I feel like I got that on vinyl at the show because I think that was the tour that I think I saw them on, and I feel like I always go back to that one out of all their records, you know. Like that's my that's my go-to.
SPEAKER_00That's a very like that's a really complete Yob record. Like it has all the different dynamics of Yob, and I really love that one. Um, I also really love Atma. That's one I go back to a lot. And I gotta say, their newest one, R Raw, R, Raw Heart, is one of the like the most emotionally heavy fucking things I've ever listened to. And I go I go back to that one a lot, too. That one, uh, yeah, that kind of came out during the I think the end of Tripp into Mechanism and stuff when it was pretty much over, and that came out around that time, and it really hit me really hard because it's it's a very, very heavy, emotionally heavy record, as well as musically heavy. It's it's a lot, man. And but I go to the I go back to that one a lot, man. It's such a good album.
SPEAKER_03No, that one is really good, too. I've given that one a lot of spins, and there's some different rhythms in there, too, like some real heavy, syncopated guitar riffs in some of those songs. I can't think of that one particular one, but it's just he's just chugging it almost through the whole song, and it's like that chugging, you know, galloping is already difficult to do anyway, but then to be doing it for that long of a stretch, and then to have him singing over it too. It's just it it's really impressive. Oh, got a big storm coming through. I can hear the thunder and lightning right now.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, we had one of those the other day that was pretty nasty.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, that that whole chugging part is uh impressive.
SPEAKER_03Very yeah, he's he's uh he's really uh you know, now they have that uh the drummer David French playing with them, and he like goes out with Steve on Till when he does his solo, you know, work and everything, and he has a solo record of his own coming out. So he's you know, he's always had good, you know, he's always had great musicians fill out that power thrill.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. One of the he's got he usually has the best musicians to be the you know, just to do what he does. Like the their music is intricate, it's their songs are like 14 minutes and over sometimes. Like that's a lot of you have to have a lot of endurance on stage if you're to play those songs, you know.
SPEAKER_03Or to be able to walk into those tempos and stay there. And you know, we were talking at um band practice the other night about how you know when you're in a band and you learn how to count riffs, right? Because a riff could be one measure or it could be a cycle of riffs that make up one. So, like Job is a prime example of that. By the time he gets to the end of a riff, it's like it that could be a minute by the time he just gets through one cycle of a riff, and then it's like you got to start it over. So your songs have to be five, seven, nine, ten minutes long to be able to get through the riffs, you know, they need time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely, man. And uh learning to count that way because we had some pretty long songs too, but nowhere near uh 15 minutes. We have I think our longest song we ever had was like uh maybe close to 10. So okay. Keeping the count on those, like uh, you gotta be on your on the money, but it is it after a while it is comes naturally, you know. You just kind of feel the count.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Yeah, we have a song that's about seven minutes, and we're just like so excited to to play that out because it's like the favorite song that we had so far. And I'm like, I wasn't even thinking about how long it was. I really didn't, I I just said the song feels complete, so I didn't care if it was three minutes as long as it's felt complete, you know. That's part of the you know, writing songs is that you know, when do you know it's done?
SPEAKER_00Right. How many times have you got to see Lam Yab live? I know you said you saw him once you get the pedal. Uh, I haven't got to see him none live, unfortunately, not yet, anyways, but it's on my bucket list.
SPEAKER_03I want to say it's only been twice. I think I saw them one other time, and I'm pretty sure that was in Philadelphia as well, you know. But I can't remember that that one I don't remember much about because I feel like they were playing with someone that I wanted to see, and I didn't hadn't really got into them yet. And that one's a little hazy for me. I'll have to think about that a little more. But I do remember like being a huge fan by the time I got to see him this the the second time, and and just wanting to because the UV transfer to the mean is like one of that's like my go-to menu if I see a band's gonna play there. Um, it's just a perfect size, it's got a big lobby, so like if you want to step out, never feel cramped or herded like cattle, and so to see them there, it's it it was the sound was so good too. And I I I um yeah, so it's only been twice, but uh I would love to see them more, you know. Maybe next time they come around, I can check them out, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm hoping the same, hopefully to do uh another tour that comes at least close end of the year, next year, you know, whenever they're touring again. But uh it'd be good to see them. Like I missed them when they came to North Carolina, and it was not that far away. I just I couldn't make it, unfortunately. But uh yeah, my best friend Layla, she grabbed the um the it was a Arbor Heart, is what they were touring on and stuff, and she got it signed by everybody for me and gave it to me as a birthday gift. So I have that on my mantle behind me. It's just hard to see because of the lighting, but I keep that up there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's a great, that's a great layout too. I got that online as well, and it's just so it's so in like the colors and everything, the way it's laid out, it's just it's a great, great like artistic statement. I mean, all of their records look great, but it's like that one has definitely something different than their other records.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely. Yeah, but yeah. We uh hopefully get to see you up soon and stuff. And uh yeah, talking to Mike like uh on the you know, when we did our horror episode and stuff, like it's amazing like uh how well versed he is in the horror like realm, you know, which is really Really cool because I think you know metal and horror go together very well. But not everybody that's into metal is in the horror movies, but majority of them are, it seems like. But uh I know Mike was super knowledgeable about that. He's he knows some shit, which is cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I I thought that that was like my favorite part of that episode you did with him, is the fact that you got him to talk about something that I've heard a lot of interviews with him, but it's always music related. So it was really cool to hear him talk about books and movies, and you know that he did like a lot of those types of movies, because you know, I I feel like everyone that plays metal or heavy music is into like film, but like you said, it may not necessarily be horror, but it may be maybe they're just into like noir movies, or maybe they're into you know, like in a lot of older period pieces, you know, it may not just be strictly horror, you know. So, but yeah, that that was really cool, like listening to him talk about all the horror genre, you know. So I'm sure the next time you talk to him, you just keep building on that, you know.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Um, I'm not sure if you're familiar with uh a project he did uh I want to say early 2000s. Um, it was called Lumbar. Did you ever listen to Lumbar?
SPEAKER_03No, I'm not familiar with that at all.
SPEAKER_00Um I think he only gets uh guitars with that with that project, but uh I found out about Lumbar. I was uh we're recording an album um at the jam room, which we're recorded at and stuff, and uh Philip was recording Philip Cope of Kylissa and stuff. He's a friend of mine, and he turned me on Lumbar, and I had no idea what the hell lumbar was. I'm like, Lumbar, what is that? Like a bed or something, you know? But no, no, a very awesome fucking band, very heavy, very sludgy. And uh I think Mike he did uh guitars in that band, so I definitely recommend checking them out.
SPEAKER_03Okay, he just reminded me I never even listened to the record that they did when he briefly changed the name of the band to Midian. I never got to listen to what they did as Midian. Like I'm sure it's I imagine still sounds in that trajectory of what they have been doing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It wasn't like a direction change of direction, but well, he he did another record like within the last 10 years with another band, and I feel like he again he was just a not a super group, but you know what I mean, like some established people from some other I I I should have researched that, but I know that he did something else. I think he might just be singing in the band, not even playing guitar, but I don't remember what it's called.
SPEAKER_00I can't remember that name either, and I know the band I've listened to and I thought was really cool, and it's definitely a a different vibe for him, but you know, I think he was only doing vocals in that, but I cannot remember the name of that band.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I want to say, yeah, I I I think I I read a review of it in Decibel, and um I feel like that's still a way for me to keep in the loop with a lot of things because uh I've been subscribing to Decibel since really early on, you know. I feel like I should be one of those reader in the months because I I've been a subscriber since like the I think they were still in single digits with their episodes, and now they're you know they're well up there in the hundreds, you know.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, yeah, I dig decibel. I used to dig revolver too a lot. I think revolvers had a revival in the past couple of years, but uh like early revolver magazines and the early 2000s, mid-2000s, really good. And then they kind of dropped.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I used to buy that all the time. Yep, I used to buy it from the grocery store. It was great, it was great.
SPEAKER_00That's what I heard about ISIS was in uh revolver, so I was like, that's great. Nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. No, hearing Jeff talk about some of the ISIS, uh some of the different, you know, uh the events of ISIS and hearing Aaron talk about it too. It's just uh it's always a reminder of how much they influence me too, you know. It's like ISIS and Yab and Neurosis, and I mean, um yeah, I mean it's they're just they're just unbelievable and they're just still putting out really relevant music. And I think also because like I'm an AIDS group of like, yeah, I'm in my 50s now, so it's like knowing that these guys are like, you know, five to ten years older than me, and they've been playing this music, and they just are there it's not like the quality is going down, it's like it's if anything, it's getting better because they're they're more enriched by their life experiences and being humbled by things, and they're just making really genuine statements with their music. So, how could you not be inspired by that, you know? It's not that I can't I can't I can't relate or listen to something that made by people in their 20s, but it's just so different when you get to it. It's like listening to blues music or or even established jazz musicians. It's like you have to have that life experience to make that musical statement, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. You definitely hear it in the riffs, that's for sure, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of a lot of different emotions going into you know the riff writing. It's uh I can't wait to see what their next album, what Yob's next album is like, you know. So maybe you'll get a little uh insider info from from Mike.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I might I I'll try to throw that in in the next episode. Like, so we're gonna do another one in November, and I'm gonna I might ask him, like, you know, what's on the horizon and stuff, and you know, unless there's something out bes before that episode comes out, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I haven't seen him mention anything, but you know, he also strikes me as the person that kind of keeps it close to the vest, like a Vada other heavy bands do, or they're just not really they don't want to build up this big height machine before their records come out. They just want to, you know, like relapse will start posting about it and everything, but you know, Mike hasn't, I don't, I don't think he's said anything about it. But yeah, either way, I'm gonna love it. I already know that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. That's like when the Rosas dropped their new one this year, and also our you know, Ralph from Ulta, they just they dropped theirs randomly too. And the new Ulta record is also very fucking cool. Um, if you haven't heard of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It is listened to it a couple times through.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Any chance I get to listen to like to wear my headphones when I'm at work, I do because you know, stuff like that, because of how expansive it is, and how you just get sucked into it, it makes like work go by faster. So like instead of putting it on my Bluetooth speaker, I just would rather have it in my headphones, and then that way I can kind of get lost in that as I'm doing my work, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's appropriate.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I just listened to the Ultra Record this week, I think. Yeah, in addition to all the Yacht stuff I listened to, it was uh I definitely listen to that Ultra Record again. But I love the the last one that they did too. I I can't I can't say I've listened to all their records, but from you know, the um the the last one to this one, I've I've listened to the the last one in Lost County Times. I listened to that one too. I just you know I'm not an expert in um I'm not an expert in black metal, but um some bands I just once I find one I like, I just can't stop listening to them. You know, Panopticon is another band that I really get. Austin, I love all their records, and he plays acoustic folk music under that name, but also does the full band experience too. So he's he's really Austin one is great too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I've listened to a little bit of Panopticon. I'm not too familiar with all his stuff, but when it especially when he goes through the folky stuff, I you know, a lot of that loses me, but uh I know he's very like well liked and stuff, and what I've heard from his like you know, black metal stuff is pretty cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. He uh for a guy who never wanted to play live. I mean, he's uh you know, I I think any band that's all you know, one person can play all the instruments, I'm immediately impressed, you know, by that. Same thing with like Leviathan, you know, like John playing. I mean, he's an amazing tattooer. That's how I knew about him. But then when I found that he was doing this band, I was like, what? How? How does he do all this? Like, I just I don't I don't get it, you know. I can only play one instrument, and I'm trying just to be be good at that and proficient, but they're playing that blasting drums, and I'm like, that it's boy, it blows me away. Yeah, that dude is a good one. Maybe we should do a maybe we should do a little bit of a black metal episode, maybe like something we can talk about it off off the podcast, but we can discuss the next thing we're gonna do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, because the devil's note can you know have a bunch of different genres. It doesn't have to be just doom, so yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. There's a couple, I have a couple other ideas, but we'll talk about that, you know, in the shadows.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. What else did you have uh in your notes about about Yab as far as uh you know other things that um you know really struck you about them?
SPEAKER_00Uh just like uh I think we touched on this a little bit, this guitar tones and you know, the amps and everything, they have a a giant sound, but it's also very clear, distinct sound, you know what I mean? A lot of distortion, a lot of heaviness, but it's there's also clarity about it that Yob like is one of the only bands to really capture that. And you know, when it comes to like heavy music, you can really hear like every single note and everything. It's not just a wall of sound, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03And that's a lot of trial and error between you know the pickups, the sounds of the amps, and um, you know, just just working through this torsion to have like such a low tuning, you know, and to believe he's in D standard, and you know, and to not play a baritone, you know, it have to make sure that your instruments are doing, you know, working at you know the peak of their abilities because you need you want to be able to hear all those notes, all that articulation, you know. And you know, the you know it the heavier tones are there, but you want to make sure that all that you know he because he's he's playing all six strings a lot, you know. He's he's he's picking out chords, he's playing you know, heavier power chords on the lower strings, and then he's you know, so he he's uh he he wants to flop that space, and I think his sound is so good, you know. Yeah, so good.
SPEAKER_00Definitely one of the best guitarists in the in the whole genre, and all of metal, in my opinion, is one of the best. I mean, the whole band, yeah, not just him, the whole band is this fucking great bass player, a drummer, every everything's awesome about Job, you know, and they're so technical but so emotional at the same time, and this they bring that heaviness that a lot of bands can't really deliver, like the heavy emotion plus the heavy riffs and sound, like they're undeniable when it comes to that.
SPEAKER_03I feel like there should be a Mount Rushmore of like you know, those guitar players that play in that kind of style of music. I feel like it would be like Matt Pike, and then it would be you know, Mike Scheit, and you know, I don't know. I mean, I have to think about it a little bit more, but maybe we can talk about that the next time we're gonna know who else would be in our mount rush more of those guitar players, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I put uh I put Bon Till up there. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. He definitely has a display style, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yep, yeah, I have to think about that. Yeah, that's interesting. But yeah, man, this it's just it's really fun to talk about music and and to you know geek out on the gear too, because like I don't get to talk about I can talk about gear with my like you know, my co-workers, but or my co-bandmates and everything, but uh nice to talk about it with someone else who that plays music, but you know, is uh from a different, you know, coming at it from a different place, you know. But how are you doing with your abrasis horn? Are you uh are you currently writing?
SPEAKER_00Um I did some writing earlier this year, have a few things on the that are recorded, just you know, rough stuff or whatever. And I want to get back to doing some more when the weather kind of the temperature drops a bit. Like I said, my den area where I fucking do all my music stuff and everything else gets really hot. So around like October and all, it's usually when I get back to doing like musical shit and where I can bear the heat down here. You know what I mean? So yeah, there's things in the in the works with that, of course. So I'm gonna have a another album out here sooner than later, but no rush on a raxis horn, you know. It is it comes to me, then you know, throw it out to the guys and stuff, and we see where we go from there. But uh, yeah, things are in the works with that. I'd like to have like two or three songs that are like, you know, 60% done, probably music-wise and stuff like that. But uh yeah, moving along with that.
SPEAKER_03And are you do you feel like you're I do you feel like you're getting a pretty good handle on your new synth? Because I know that that's been a you know, you you had just gotten that within the last year or so. You're learning how to, you know, figure things out.
SPEAKER_00Uh I've gotten a little better on the MOOG since then. It's still a lot to learn. And uh I'm a caveman, so I just uh I go at it as at my tempo and stuff, but uh I've definitely learned more last time we talked about it and stuff, which is cool. And uh I've learned uh Logic Pro a bit better since last time uh I did a Braxis Horn stuff. Logic Pro, I really dig. I think that's a great program. A lot of a lot of stuff you can fuck with on there, and uh yeah, and I've upgraded since last time too. We talked, I got a new Mac Mini, which is one of the new ones that just came out this year, and that's a beast, so it handles everything. I'm throwing at it like nothing, so it's great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, that uh I've thought about even just buying a simple sooth, you know, for this band and just something monophonic, but you know, they even the real the real basic ones still come with a lot of cool effects built into it already with my with you know oscillation and modulators and all that kind of stuff. So I look forward to getting one of those to do. And I just mess around with a little old Casio that my friend gave me, but I just like want to run it through all my pedals and just make some lo-fi recordings, you know, because I finally have Studio One installed on my laptop and I have an interface, so now I can start, you know, I was doing some stuff on broadspan, but I definitely want to, you know, learn more about Studio One because that way I could file share with other people, you know. Are you um I mean this is probably getting ahead of ahead of uh the ahead of the curve here, but are you are you thinking you're gonna apply approach the next the Braxis horns similar to how you did the last one with like say even having drums or having like vocals on it again? Or do you think you're gonna go fast the old way?
SPEAKER_00I think I think so, but there's still a chance too that I might throw out a couple like random singles here during this year that are just you know um just music alone, no drums or nothing like that, might just be electronic. But uh I do want to approach the next album the same way I did the last one, I think. That was really fun.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was very you it was very original, I think, because it was you had the drums and you had like Mike Phil doing his vocals, but it's like you still had all of your textural sense stuff going on, so it's not like you just came in with all the guitars and all that kind of stuff. It still stayed true to what you were doing, but now you're adding those other. It just made it a little more unsettling and dark, you know, because it was the sense sounds, but you just had you know those blasting drums and the vocals over it, you know. But it was a lot of fun for Mike to do these kind of like more death rock vocals too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sounds really good. Yeah, I love when people say it's unsettling. I had a lot of reviews like that. I'm like, that's what I was going for. So I'm glad uh I'm glad it was unsettling because it was it's a lot when I'm doing that, like I'm putting a lot of like shit into this, like a lot of darkness, and you know, when I'm recording these or doing the keyboards and or guitar stuff, and I'm in that space for a bit, you know, so it's good that that is being conveyed to listeners.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. Well, I look forward to hearing it regardless because uh it's really been it's really cool to watch you, you know, evolve with that project from where you started until now. You know, it's uh it's its own beast, and I think it's pretty original, and you know, more and more people find out about it.
SPEAKER_00I appreciate that. And um, before we go from this episode, what uh what are you working on now? Anything with some upcoming things you got coming out music-wise?
SPEAKER_03Or um well, with Stagger, the band that I joined a couple years ago with my friends, we played some shows and we're about to record an ET, but our guitar player is in the process of moving to South Carolina to have you heard of Monk's Corner?
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, it's not that far from me. Yeah, it's not too far from me.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay. So that's where him and his wife bought a house. They're in the process of moving. So he's gonna be recording remotely, and the rest of us are gonna be tracking at our drummer's house. So I'm looking forward to doing that. It's been fun to write those kind of like more metallic hardcore songs with them. And um, and then because we tweaked our car sounds to throw a little more HM2 sound in there, and so I'm I think it sounds really good. Um, looking forward to recording it. The demos sound good. And then um, yeah, every week I've been practicing with Ethereal Ties. We got a new drummer, this guy named Tim. And uh he's just been like, man, the universe just sent us sent sent him to us because uh he's he comes from like a heavy, like sludge doom world, but he played in bands with Philly, so like we don't we never knew each other, and he just found us on Instagram. So having him in the band, he's a graphic designer, his brother makes like uh films, so we thought about projecting like movies behind us when we play. So we have a lot of plans to play a show. We've already got seven songs, so we're up to record real soon. So between those two things, it's just still trying to find some time to do art, but really music has taken over. I feel like I'm really like sucked into music again, which is great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's good positive stuff, man. And yeah, I can't wait to hear all this stuff. Like, that's that's really cool. Thanks, man.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, yeah, I appreciate it, man. I definitely will send stuff your way once we get some things recorded and uh because we're like, why wait? Let's just go in and start recording now with the with the new band, you know. And it's hard to start a band at this age, like with especially with I'm in a band with you know, three people I've never been in a band with, but the fact that we all we all connect, you know, through the music is is it gives me hope, you know, that I could still create some original. You know, we are creating some, I think, some pretty great stuff. We're really stoked on what we're doing. So I can't wait to share it with people and play a show hopefully soon too.
SPEAKER_00That's really cool. Yeah, that's one thing I do miss about not playing live is playing live. I I I miss like fucking, you know, doing vocals in front of people and all that stuff and just unleashing all that like frustration. That was the best way of like releasing all that stuff is in the at a live setting. I I do miss that sometimes. Um, but you know, locally and stuff. There's not yeah, I really don't want to have to start another live band. You know what I mean? It's a lot of work, and I was in my my previous live band for like 20 years. Like, that's a a big bond you create with those people. And uh I'm happy that I can do stuff remotely. I think that's the coolest shit that's happening to technology where we can start projects with people who only live in the same states as us, you know. I think that's really cool. But uh every now and again I get that itch for a live setting. I do miss that sometimes.
SPEAKER_03It could be fun. Who knows? If you if you hooked up with the right people and had a show where you know it you could you could bring the praxis porn thing to a live setting, but just do it custom fit to that, where maybe there is someone who can like has a projector and can project visuals behind you, and you can make it a really dark kind of experimental thing for you, and you know, just you know, it could just be you up there making all those spooky sounds, you know, and yeah, or uh, or maybe it'll just never never be live. Who knows? You know, it's all up to you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. The thoughts the thought has crossed me, so but we'll we'll see what happens in the future with that. But uh yeah, yeah. This was uh a cool episode. I'm glad we got to talk about Yab. I'm glad we got to talk some horror.
SPEAKER_03Like uh I I look forward to doing these episodes with you and stuff, and uh yeah, you know, we gotta plan the next one, and I won't have as many uh obstacles in my way, uh hopefully. But I'm glad you have a lot of a lot of guests lined up and that you're you know you're really you know building your building it up and getting some really amazing guests on your show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I appreciate that, man. And uh yeah, recently my wife was in the gas station down the street from us, and uh some guy saw I didn't go on with her, I was in the car, but uh saw my license plate, which I have like a Michael Myers license plate on my car, and uh the dude says something about horror, and then uh she says something about my husband runs a horror podcast, and uh he was like, Oh, horror 666. I'm like, I I just found that crazy. That and he also knew he knew the horseman too. He mentioned the horseman. I was like, that is fucking crazy. Some dude down the street, like random guy in a gas station, knows like the horsemen of the podcast apocalypse and all my that's pretty wild, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's getting out there, man. It's really it's it's it's a very unique group of people, and everybody is uh all the podcasts are great. I listen to all of them. I haven't checked out Spitball Media. I must say I haven't checked that one out, but all the other ones I listen to more or less weekly. So it's uh it's a you know, it's a great group.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm proud to be part of it, man. It's it's pretty fucking awesome. A lot of cool guys, and yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I think we're uh I'm glad that we can do this too. And yeah, I look forward to the next one. It's gonna be a good one.
SPEAKER_00Hell yeah, man. Well, dude, uh hope the storm's not too bad, and I hope you have uh a good rest of your day, and we'll do this again soon.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man, definitely. We'll talk and we'll set it up and we'll uh you know get get get on the research tip.
SPEAKER_00Awesome, man. We're good talking with you as always. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Take care, Brennan.