Jo Moseley | From Midlife Crisis to Midlife Adventurer

In May 2013, Jo Moseley found herself sobbing in the biscuit aisle of Tesco's,  wondering as a 48 years old single parent approaching menopause, how had life  come to this.  After support from a friend lending her a rowing machine she started looking after her physical body and noticed an improvement in her mental wellbeing too. Deciding she needed to do things that gave her Joy, Jo returned to the hills + sea which she had loved as a child. . In 2016, Jo took her first paddleboard lesson and a few years later became the first woman to SUP (stand up paddleboard) the 162 mile long Leeds Liverpool Canal  whilst picking up litter too and fundraising for surf therapy charity The Wave Project and 2Minute  Foundation . 

Jo is now an advocate for the outdoors as writer, speaker, film maker and more recently Podcast host for ‘The JOY of SUP Podcast’. In this episode India speaks to Jo about how she came about finding her 'purpose' and how she hopes to continue on this journey of self discovery in the future.

Find Jo on Instagram - @happyhealthy50 / @thejoyofsuppodcast_

Jo's website - www.jomoseley.com

If you have any questions or would like to suggest a guest please get in touch! You can email India via indiapearsonclarke@gmail.com or send a message via Instagram  @india_outdoors / @finandflow / www.indiapearson.co.uk

~Music - Caleb Howard Almond ~

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Transcript

India  0:06  
Hello, and welcome to start a ripple podcast. I'm your host, India Pearson. And I believe ripples umaid when we connect movement with nature, not only for our mind and body, but also the environment to this podcast is a platform for me to chat with inspiring folk who feel the same and have some fascinating stories to tell from their experiences. I hope the conversations that come from this podcast will encourage you to get outside, move dream big, and see what happens from the ripples you create time to introduce my guest.

In May 2013, Jo Mosley found herself sobbing in a biscuit Arla tescos, wondering as a 48 year old single parent approaching metaphors, how had life come to this up support from a friend lending her embro machine, she started looking after her physical body and noticed an improvement in her mental well being to deciding she needed to do things that gave her joy. Jo returned to the hills and see which he loved as a child. And in 2016, she took her first paddleboarding lesson and a few years later became the first woman to SAP the 162 mile long at Leeds, Liverpool canal, both litter picking two and fundraising for surf therapy charity, the wave project and two minute foundation. Joe is now an advocate for the outdoors, as a writer, speaker, filmmaker, and more recently, podcast host, the joy of SAP podcast.


She says,You're never too old to do something wild. And it's never too late to make a difference. Hello, lovely Joe, and welcome to the start ripple podcast. Thanks so much for having a chat with me today.

Jo  2:02  
Oh, thank you for having me. I'm very very honoured. Okay, so

India  2:06  
if we can start by looking back, and if you can share, you know, a couple of the ripples that you've made in your life and how they've sort of brought you to where you are today.

Jo  2:17  
Um, so I I'm from Yorkshire born and bred, I grew up in the middle of the county, but we used to spend our holidays by the sea. I used to love playing on the beach playing in the waves did all that sort of stuff, but then kind of didn't do it for a long time. In my teens, it you know, sport wasn't something that seemed very enjoyable. I learned to dive in my 20s when kayaking in Alaska, lived in America, paddle paddle board, went to Africa did some diving in the Philippines did lots of things. And then and then got married and have babies and a couple of babies and a couple of miscarriages then got divorced. And all that time really just sort of devoted myself to my family and other things. And then after my divorce, sort of got a little bit more back into doing things for me, but it was really in about 2013 when I had a bit of a rough patch and hit a bit of a rock bottom, that that forced me to start looking after myself and realise that exercise helped me and then I started going back to the things that I did as a child. So

India  3:30  
yeah, I love to dive into this subject a little bit further, because I think it's one that a lot of listeners will be able to resonate with. You know, women in particular, actually, me included. I know that I probably lost my inner child about the age of 17. I was really sporty as a kid, I love doing running. I love making dens I love the enhanced jumping in the wave just like you said you did. And then I just lost it. You know, I guess 17 I started to mould myself into what society wants me to be instead of fueling my inner child. And, and I say women in particular, because there's a commercial that always bought out the brand always bought out a couple of years ago. And it's it was called like ago. And it demonstrates this. Amazingly, it asked a group of girls and women to run like a girl. Now girls under the age of 13 ish. They see this as running with strength and power. And girls and women over the age of 13. Well, they know they run with weakness and being quite silly with it. And this is exactly what I was saying about what society expects us to be when we use the word go. And I think that's been sad. I think it's really sad. But you know, over the last few years, I've really started reconnecting with my child again, and it's been life changing. And this is something that you Done to know that on your website, you say, you return to the hills in seeing that you've loved as a child bodyboarding wild swimming in piping. So for anybody listening right now who feel like they need to connect, reconnect with their inner child, do you have any advice to give them and how you know how to do this?

Jo  5:21  
I would say just think what brought you joy I read a quote a few years ago is find your joy and let it run your life. And for me it was find your joy and just follow it. And really, that's all I did was where Obviously, I'm, I have huge joyful moments as a mum, as a daughter, as a sister, as a friend. They're hugely joyful. But they're in relation to other people. They're there about that relationship. But I wanted to find places where I felt that joy when it was just me and nobody else where it was me and I wasn't in relationship with anybody else. And, and it was just noticing those moments where I felt fully in the moment, you know, fully engaged in what I was doing, and the worries and stresses on my shoulders sort of fell away. And notice them, and then think how can I have more of them in my life, as simple as that, and then just keep taking the steps to create that. And it'll steps just to choose to do so for example, I came back from work, I knew somebody wants to call me. And part of me was like, Oh, I just sit and wait. And then part of me was like, No, I'm gonna go for a walk. And she was like, are you walking out? Like, I'm sorry, do you mind? It was raining, it was windy, we had our business conversation, so to speak, but I was walking and I came home and I done like 7000 steps to having this conversation. And I felt better for it. I felt more alive having the conversation. And I suppose it's just making these tiny tweaks where instead of just when you're tired, kind of coming in and sitting down, maybe going for a walk, maybe doing an online class, but but really, I think it's finding, recognising when you feel fully in the moment and your heart is feeling full. And doing more of that in your life. Try a few things go back to what you did as a child, a friend of mine, she does ballet, I see her doing it on Instagram, she's you know, she's an established author, and she's got three children and she's busy, busy, busy. But she does ballet now, you know, reminding herself what she did as a child. So yeah,

India  7:40  
I think sometimes we think we can't do these things, because we're adults now. But, I mean, he's telling us this, it's all in our own heads, isn't it? And so I know that on this journey into finding, you know, discovering rediscovering your inner child, you also found something new, which was paddleboarding. And this is obviously how we started to get to know each other too. So can you describe to us that your first time on a paddleboard and how it made you feel?

Jo  8:10  
Absolutely, I remember. Um, so I had injured my knee in January of that year, and, and it had really got me down, I was in a lot of pain, and B, I couldn't move and I knew that movement helped my child was going through the menopause at the time, and, and movement really helped. And I couldn't do that one thing. So it was the pain it was a not being able to do it. I've never been about times, or fitness levels or achievements. I've always been about feeling better, feeling well, and enjoying it. And so I just wasn't able to do those things that helped me sleep, etc. And I'd always wanted to be a surfer. But I knew that surfing had a big learning curve. And I never thought I was a surfer. And having tried surfing, I know I'm not a surfer. I you know, I've done a bit and it was amazing. But it's it's not really necessarily me. That loved it as when I did do it. And so I decided in the September 2016, as my knee was healing to do a challenge where I would go outside every day for half an hour. And I called it rain or shine 30 so half an hour every day. And I started first of September because it was like going back to school. And I took my first paddleboard lesson on the 24th of September 2016. We went up to the Lake District, and I just remember the minute I stood up thinking this is extraordinary. I love it. You know, this is amazing. And we were in the lakes and then we went down a little river and yeah, I just there's a picture of me just smiling ear to ear just I just remember thinking this is fantastic. And I don't know how it's gonna affect my life, but I know it's gonna play a part. So Hmm.

India  10:00  
And then how magical have experienced that euphoric feeling, you know, I can totally relate to my first experience on a paddleboard, I was like, Oh my goodness, I found my calling and and for you is taking you on such a journey as well, you then went on to paddle 162 miles coast to coast of the UK. For challenge that you set yourself. Can you tell us a little bit more about this?

Jo  10:27  
So having done my first lesson in September 2016, I then decided about a month later, bizarrely that I wanted to paddle coast to coast. I don't know why. But I told a few people and sort of a Christmas parties and things. And the response was that maybe it was just too hard for someone like me, I was 5152 that it would be logistically quite difficult that and even somebody said they thought it might be quite boring. And so I just put the dream away. I wasn't particularly calm. I'm not a particularly confident person anyway, but I wasn't confident really then I put the dream away. But in the intervening period, quite a number of my girlfriend's died. No, and only one of them had reached 50. And that is a very sobering reminder, you know how short and precious life is. And then in the beginning of 2019, I realised that my youngest son would be going to university and I realised that I would be an empty nester, but I didn't want to be kind of always on the phone to him saying, what are you doing what you're having for your tea, I wanted a dream to pull me to the future. And so I just dusted off this dream, I'd have three years previous and, and said, right, I'm going to I'm going to paddle coast to coast. And by this time, you're allowed to go through the tunnels. So there's two tunnels, there's Gallo tunnel, and for which tunnel, and in 2016 17, I wouldn't have been allowed to go through the tunnels. So by this time, they were open to paddleboarders. I think I was the first paddle boarding woman, the first woman who's paddleboard had to go through those two tiles. And yes, so I decided to do it. And in July 2019, I set off from Liverpool,

India  12:13  
for me, and how long did it take you?

Jo  12:15  
To me 11 days. So that was my plan. I was about three hours. I'd always intended to arrive in Google, about 1112 o'clock on the Tuesday and I arrived about four or five o'clock. So it didn't go to plan. At first I was behind schedule for most of it. But in the end, it all came together and I arrived 11 days later.

India  12:41  
And you have a film coming up coming out all about it.

Jo  12:46  
We do we have a film called brave enough, a journey home to joy. And it's about the paddleboarding trip in its adventure. And it's about the backstory of how I came to be in that place that I briefly mentioned in 2013 when I felt pretty broken by life and the menopause and grief and stuff like that, and, and that journey to the startline the trip and kind of the message that that we shared really so yeah, we have a film. Now. Yeah,

India  13:18  
yes.

India  13:21  
I haven't yet seen it. I think I'm weeks time or something. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Because it's a feature film, isn't it? Yeah. So

Jo  13:28  
it's cool to feature at 37 minutes long, we have a festival editor 45. But yeah, it's 57 minutes long. And when the filmmaker Fred told me, that's how long it would be, I was like,

Jo  13:42  
Oh my gosh,

Jo  13:43  
how can you make a film about me for 57 minutes, it's gonna be so boring. But actually the way that she has edited it and built the story, it is really engaged even though it's my life, even I'm quite engaged in it. Because it's not. It's about me, but it's not about me, if you see what I mean, it's about universal messages, I think. Yeah. And so my hope is that, particularly women, my age will look at it and see themselves that goal, but the goal is not for them to go look what she did. The goal is to say, Wow, she knows how I feel. And maybe I'm encouraged to do something for myself. That's always my goal is to encourage other women to feel that they can do something for themselves. Otherwise, it's not about me, it's about me, but it's not

India  14:32  
about well, it's about your experiences and some showing that you've done this and you've got yourself out of a rut and it totally worked for you. So maybe it'll inspire other people to do the same.

Jo  14:45  
Yeah, it might be going for a walk it might be going to join a an online Pilates class, it might be trying sup yoga, it's not necessarily doing what I did. It's the message of saying, Let me put myself on the priority list. List. Let me look After my well being, let me say that my dream however big or small is worth it. And that it's okay for me to take time to put energy into my dream. I mean, I think they're the key messages Really? Yeah. There's also the plastic pollution. Yeah, it's not about saying, look, I did it, you can, too. It's, this is what I did. What can you do for you, given the circumstances that you're in, because we all come at it from different circumstances. And obviously, I'm incredibly lucky that I had, you know, the wherewithal to do what I did in terms of the finances and the support, unable bodied. So it's not that I'm suggesting other people can do what I did, I'm suggesting that they might want to think about what they can do.

India  15:46  
Yeah, and I often use this phrase, but it's about finding something that really fuels your soul. And that is unique to you. And I think that's the thing to remember that there have to be what your best friend's doing. It just needs to be true to you. Now, during this time, you've obviously learned so much about the power of exercise, outdoors and what it does for your mind and body. But have you noticed a difference? If you haven't been able to get outside we notice a difference in your mental health in recent years.

Jo  16:18  
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I started exercising, because I was just incredibly anxious and overwhelmed and desperate to sleep. And so I know that I do the things I do, because I'm trying to bank the goodness so that I sleep at night and that my anxiety is kept at bay. And so yeah, it's like looking after myself today, but also thinking about myself for tomorrow. And so yeah, I do notice if I can't like when I injured my knee, you know, it was tough. It was it wasn't the Yeah, the physical side was tough. But it was, it was just that not being able to do the stuff I wanted. But interesting. When I hurt my knee, one of the things I found really helpful by chance, was I used to just walk through the sea. So when I went to the coast, I would just literally walk up and down. I think I must have watched some kind of rehabilitation programme about horses or something. I thought, well, maybe that might work for me. And you know, that really helped strengthen my knee. And then I've had two frozen shoulders in the last few years. And again, going and being in that cold, cold seawater really helped the pain of the frozen shoulders. So Wow. Yeah, there's a physical thing. But there's also that mental. Just calming down. Yeah, just calming down bringing yourself back to the moment and just yeah, just letting all the troubles just literally float away on the water.

India  17:46  
Yeah, that's that's one of the I think, wonderful things about paddleboarding is that, you know, if you're choosing to paddle on flat water on a lovely calm day, then it can be very meditative. Yeah,

 Jo 18:02  
definitely, definitely. And I think going coast to coast there was times where I literally would look up and think, Oh, my gosh, I've just travelled two miles and I didn't know how I was in the moment. And a lot of people asked if I you know, 162 miles, 11 days, I was gonna be really, on your own. That's quite, you know, what are you going to think about and actually, I didn't listen to audiobooks, I didn't listen to the radio, I didn't listen to music. I just listened to the world around me and really absorb that and and I love that and I love being out on the sea as well and just listening to the birds. Listening to the water, it is meditative. I don't meditate. But I feel that moving on water is like a moving meditation.

India  18:47  
Oh, yeah, I 100% agree with you there. And now I know that you've had a similar experience to me in such that you you know started to get into paddleboarding become more in tune with your mind with your body. And then in turn SATs become more in tune with our argument. And but I know that you studied knew something related this that you need that right. So I

Jo  19:13  
did anthropology University, and my dissertation was on the environmental movement from a kind of cultural ideas perspective. So I'd always been in involved and interested in environmental issues, but then again, like many people, you know, children and marriage, divorce family, all that stuff, looking after my parents, then you know, you get distracted, but the more I was out, back out in nature, and develop that relationship, and obviously I saw the plastic that I hadn't seen, you know, we didn't worry about plastic 20 3040 2030 years ago, it was you know, it was rain forests and acid rain and we didn't think that plastic would be the problem it is but you can't help it if you're out there. And see And you can't walk by you can't just leave it in the sea or leave it on the beach. And so for me, it was about connecting that being kind to myself by moving in nature and saying thank you to nature for being kind to me by doing my litter picks doing my beach cleans getting involved with a two minute beach clean foundation. So it's a kind of be kind to me Be kind to the oceans. And it's just my way of saying thank you. It's just a very simple way of saying thank you.

India  20:27  
And the coast coast paddle you were raising money, weren't you for a two minute beach clean a nation and the and the way?

Jo  20:34  
Yeah, so the way project is a serve therapy charity that looks after children and young adults and take some surfing for their mental health. So it just seemed to me like two charities which just really work well together. So it's about mental well being physical well being well being of the oceans of the sea. But I know how much being by water helps my mental health. And the wave project just seemed an amazing charity to raise money for as well as to my beach foundation. Yes,

India  21:10  
they are both amazing charities to have fundraised for. So do you have any any big ideas for any more challenges? or places that you want to paddle? You know, where's your head going with that with the next the next step?

Jo  21:26  
Well, um, yeah, I would love to paddleboard in Scotland. So I'm quite cautious because of lockdown and things I don't want to sort of. But yeah, I'd like to go up to Scotland and the lakes. And there's lots of places I'd like to go to Yeah. And maybe next year, do a I'd like to do some kind of challenge where it's not just about me, where maybe I meet up with I do a lot of talks to the Women's Institute, maybe take them paddleboarding, maybe meet them, you know, something where it's more of a community effort than just about me. So, yeah, and

Jo  22:07  
this is where this I guess idea of referrals comes from, and wanting to start the podcast, you know, you talked about starting off by being kind to yourself, and then, you know, being kind to the environment. And now it's about creating a community around you have people who can support each other? And yeah, it's just, it does, it just ripples.

Jo  22:33  
I hope so. I hope so. And that's what my talks are about as well. And just, you know, I have a saying, from my own podcast, we rise by lifting others. And I think that's really the way that I try and have that with the film and try and have it with the podcast is and have it with my speaking engagements is just being able to say, Look, I know what it feels like when you feel like so rock bottom, you can't imagine rising at all. But if you can rise and then lift others, then that feels like the greatest gift that you can, your way of saying thank you for being able to write again yourself.

India  23:13  
And it is so liberating when you find a like minded community around you. And and, you know, for me, I always thought it was the people I grew up with. I had, you know, a lot of memories with that actually, more recently, I've discovered that, you know, I can find people that I totally connect with that. I have only just met. And it's Yeah, I think it's important to remember that because sometimes we can get stuck in places in our lives because we feel like this is what we've always done. So this is what we always must be, but it's but it's not the case. And, and there are so many little communities out there that will open, you know, or welcome, people with open arms. You've just got to have the confidence, I guess to step into them.

Jo 24:06  
Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. And when I'm 56 so there's been sort of different journeys all along the way and certainly for me with my son, my youngest son, now in second year at university, you know, life is changing all the time. So for me, I'm in a very much a different chapter. And so, you know, the paddleboarding, the podcast, the film, everything, it's all about having the next step of the journey, the next chapter of my story, I mean, being a mum, and we say this in the film, through tears. You know, being a mum, a daughter, a sister friend will always be for me. My biggest role, you know, I do I do believe that I was there when my mum died and and she didn't talk about the stuff she had. She talked about the person that she was and wanting to thank the people that had loved her and she had allowed them So she had they had allowed when she died at her funeral, she said to me, Joe, will you just thank people for a loving me and be allowing me to love them. So she, that's all she really wanted her legacy to be about the love that she shared. So for me, I know that my role as a mum, daughter, sister friend, those roles will always be my most important roles, because they're in relation to the people I love and being able to love them and be loved back. But I also know and I also know that I want to make contributions to the world as well. Because my boys don't need me quite as much so that I can go out and give some of my energy to the environment to raising money, that sort of thing to speaking and encouraging other women maybe. Yeah, I

India  25:56  
guess you know, you've opened your open now to opportunities and experiences and the world is your oyster. And so is there anything new that you want to try? You know, I know that you said you want to have a go at getting back into diving, but is there anything new that you can see or any challenges on the horizon?

Jo  26:17  
I would love to go back to that. I mean, I dived in the ages. So I would need to do a lot of refresher courses. Well, no, I think I've got it, I still know how to dive, but the technology will have changed that, you know, we dived in wetsuits. And semi dries now I think everybody dives in dry suits. I'm sure the tech, you know, but I think intuitively I understand diving, what I would love to do is to go back and pick up litter from the seabed. For me, that would be Yeah, so when I snorkel and it picked up later, that's, I find that quite a profound thing, because I am literally the only person that seen that piece of litter that day. And when I paddle boards, I often go to a little beach where it's quite difficult to get to on foot. And so I know that by taking that letter home, I'm really making a very specific difference. Because somehow that letter was meant for me to you know, I can make a really big difference. So to dive and pick up litter from the sea floor would be an extraordinary thing. I'd love to do that. I think I'll always be water water bound. That's, I mean, I love the hills. Don't get me wrong, but I think the sea is always the place the sea, the canals, the rivers, the lakes, the seas, is I am just more watery. Yeah, I

India  27:37  
totally relate to that. And, you know, I live by the sea now, and I don't think I could ever not say the pool is just yeah, it's strong. And you know, we're made up of so much waters, I think I think there's something in that. Okay, Joe. So looking back at the ripples you've made in your life, what are the biggest lessons you've learned to keeping your mind and body healthy that you can share with the start a ripple listeners,

Jo  28:08  
it would be that you are important and that you matter and your well being, particularly for women where they don't put themselves on the priority list. It is important and you are you're allowed to put yourself on the priority list and to find that joy, you know, find even if it's just tiny, you can expand that. And however big or small, even if it's just a small goal than that is worth your time and effort. And and just to follow that joy. Yeah, just keep following. Find, you know, find the joy, find those moments where you feel yourself, again, where you feel wholly yourself. And just keep putting more of that into your life where you can and snippets here and there and just keep adding it and adding it and seeing where that takes you because you don't know.

India  29:04  
Yeah, absolutely. And I saw you post something the other day, it was something along the lines of having, you know, A JOB, JOB and a love job. You know, where we have to have a job that pays the bills, but you can also have a job that maybe doesn't, doesn't pay that much or anything at all, but it's still a job that fuels your soul or it's your hobby or something that you put a lot of energy into, and and that's important to you know, your pay the bills job doesn't have to be the one that defines you. I think in society, you know, a lot of pressure is put on to that. And you know, you get asked, you know, what do you do? As in, you know, what do you do to make money and rather than being asked, you know, what do you do to that gives you joy? You know what I mean? So yeah, I think You know, it's okay to put the emphasis on the other thing, and then just have another job that, you know, gets you by. But yeah, finding that balance is, is key.

Jo  30:11  
Yeah. And it may become more prevalent in my life or it may not. But, um, but it is that sort of hard work soul work that, that Yeah, and I, I'm happy to have a job job, as I call Yeah. And in a way that's very good because it gives you a lot of perspective. Sometimes, you know, in other stuff, you can get a little bit intense about it. But yeah, you can, you can hate your purpose doesn't have to be the thing that pays the bills. And by doing that, in terms of the post I read, wrote today, it's, you take the pressure off those interests, they don't have to be passionate. They can be curiosity. And so you follow your curiosity, follow your joy, and see where it takes you. And it may take you to something that you can monetize, or it may not. But if you have a job job, then you're not putting pressure on that joy to pay the bills. And so it remains a joy. Yeah, I

India  31:10  
think it's so important. And I guess it's about sort of flipping perspective a little bit. And so so I know that one of your big focuses at the moment is your new film, brave enough, which is out and you're going to be sort of sharing it at festivals, hopefully in the future. And where else can can people see it?

Jo  31:31  
Yeah, so we've got four screenings now, and then we'll have a little rest. And at some point, it'll go on download. And at some point, we might collaborate with other communities, and then they can show it but for it, the filmmaker and I just fritzy to turn the filmmaker have passion for pictures, we just need to have a little rest. And we wanted to, we wanted to get brave enough, as a film, a really good sending off into the world. And I think we've done that with the four or we will have done that with the four I think if we put too much pressure on then we would not love her as much as we do as a film. So we'll see, we can revisit it and share it with the world. So yeah, I mean, we've sold out three events, and nobody's seen it rarely. People actually see it.

India  32:21  
But you've had incredible reviews.

Jo  32:22  
Yeah, we've been incredibly we're very grateful. We've had reviews from paddleboarders, from filmmakers, from journalists, from writers from people, kind of my age group communities, and everybody seems to have found something. So I woke up this morning, and it was actually a chap who had sent it to for and, and he said I'm in bed. Yeah, it's quite nice to me. Really?

India  32:47  
Oh, that's so sweet. So if anybody wants to follow your personal journey, and you know, anything else you're doing, or where can they find you?

Jo  32:57  
So Instagram and Twitter. So healthy, happy 50. So five at the end, also my website, Joe mosley.com. So MLS e l UI. And I've got a newsletter called postcards of joy, and a podcast, the joy of sup podcast, so

India  33:14  
we don't have to say it's a wonderful podcast, Jo interviewed me for it. And, and yeah, I've loved listening to all the other guests.

Jo  33:22  
It's lovely. And it just means that I can keep looking for joyful stories, you know, you know, when I'm looking at articles or the newspaper or anything, I just find a story or find a person and then follow that little thing and, and then can share. It's all very much just joyful things that I found and want to share with others.

Jo  33:42  
And connecting and reconnecting others. Yeah. The love introducing people. Yeah,

India  33:48  
you're brilliant at doing that, actually. Well, thank you, Jo, for coming on. Arthur River podcast. I'm so happy that you that you agreed to come on and share your journey because you've been such an ace guest and thank you for coming on my podcast. It's both.

Jo  34:08  
It's always amazing that just you don't know who who listens to things. I'll be somebody that will listen to it and go Gosh, India just completely open my eyes to something and that is we don't Yeah,

India  34:20  
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