Our buddy, Steve, is on assignment, so we decided to run the episode that introduced there KC to the Red-Pants Rock Star, Steve Brown. It also introduced KC to (Johnny) Clueless Nation. Back next week with a new "Galentine's" episode.
Our buddy, Steve, is on assignment, so we decided to run the episode that introduced there KC to the Red-Pants Rock Star, Steve Brown. It also introduced KC to (Johnny) Clueless Nation. Back next week with a new "Galentine's" episode.
And we embodied that Minnesota. Nice everywhere. We are great opening band. Cause we were punctual. We were nice guys. We were nice people. but you know, we didn't really, a lot of times you don't really hang with the big band. Goo dolls are nice state. They actually. Acknowledged us, but I got to say it's cheap trick And off we go and off we go greetings and welcome to the kindness Chronicles, where we hope to inject the world with a dose of Minnesota. Nice. That it seems to desperately need I am John Schweitzer and my co-host here. Uh, Kevin gorg, you might know him from Fox sports North. Canterbury park and a Culver's drive through near you double butter burger with mushrooms and step on it. Place joined today by a, an old pal of mine steve Brown who, provided our intro music. Steve. Welcome. Thank you. It's great to be here. Yep. Steve was, as many of, you know, the. Lead singer for Johnny clueless, a band that really hit its peak in the nineties. Yeah. Yup. What a great decade of music though. Honestly, that was a fun decade. Are you kidding me? So a full disclosure, Steve and I went to high school together. He was a couple of years behind me, but when I was a senior and let's establish that you guys were pioneers, we were pioneers. Absolutely. Yeah. When I was a senior All of the senior girls decided to be interested in the sophomore boys. So I've kind of held a, a grudge against Steve and his, his classmates. Well, Billy idol had a nineties hit called rock and the cradle of love. They were ahead of their time. Are they really where all the high school cheerleaders are dating the sophomore boys? You know who you are. I just remember your cheerleaders in 85 because I'm older than you are. And. Having them on WCC TV during the state tournament with the makeup, and then seeing the tears. When, when Burnsville, yes. God's country finally proved victorious. The makeup got to be a little. It is interesting how you always want to bring up the 85 Burtonsville hockey team, or he gets the best of us many times, but not that time five. And who was the goaltender in 85. Some butter burger guy. I dunno. Well, Steve enough about captain butter burger. All right. When I originally reached out to you, you are one of those guys that just has always been such a delightful person. I remember you in high school as one of those people that really seem to, you know, weren't really cliquey, you're friends with all kinds of different people. And I consider you sort of the embodiment of the, the kindness that we're hoping we can, impart upon people. but you also have kind of a fun story. Thank you, John. That's very nice of you and yes I'm a nice Minnesota guy and I. Played in a band and formed a band and traveled around the country. And we embodied that Minnesota. Nice everywhere. We couldn't really shake it. And people knew who we were right away, wherever we traveled, they would recognize our accent. Or we would ask for a pop and they see their soda pop. And around here it's pop. Yeah. So, so we changed that because we didn't want people to immediately know who, where it's like, you know, you give yourself away. So yes we took a seriously, I mean, we really traveled and We opened up for lots of bands. We really hit it hard, put out albums and, we took it seriously and it wasn't just like a party on the road. It was, we were trying to really do something. We're the most punctual sad, you know, we'd show up on time, ready to do our job. You know, we were very good at what we did. We had fun, but it was, it was a serious thing. Obviously the Minnesota nice that you, embody is something that came from somewhere, tell us a little bit about your background, where you grew up. I grew up in a, in Monomy die, which is. Which is where I live now. That's right. I went to St. Jude's right across the street. Bless you. Oh, brother. So, yeah, so we grew up kind of out a little bit outside of the monument, but in the, in the country, that was a small town. Um, good parents, good people, good family, good brothers and sisters. I realized right away, um, being nice, gets you a lot further and, I was not smart enough to be a good liar, so I can't forget because once you start that road, you gotta know where, you know, where you're covering your slope. Yeah. So it kind of kept me on track. Like I'm not smart enough to do that. You know, just be good to people. You think in a George Constanza, it's only a lie. If you don't believe it, you know, it's a tramp, you got to keep going with it. And I'm not good at that. So, but you have a brother Dan, who I graduated with who was also a delightful fellow. Do you have any other siblings? Yeah, I have. So I have two brothers, two sisters, five kids in my family. They, uh, my oldest brother, Tony went to Hilmar as well, graduated 81. My sister Lisa graduated 82. And then Dan 86 with you, right? Yes. Yeah. And then I graduated to get my, my younger sister Shannon went to Maneet. I actually, she broke the mold. He broke it. Yeah. Wow. I don't really know what she had friends and she was, she still turned out. Okay. She turned out. She made it very nice. Remember you as a, a drummer in high school. Yes. You know that the ladies always seem to be enamored with, well, I was always kind of a performer as a kid. I think it because of my, where I wasn't a family. I think I was looking for attention out of the four. It was three of them already. And, you know, I was like, I think I came around and wanted some attention and I got it by performing entertaining aquas to make my mom laugh and entertain. I became an Elvis impersonator. Oh, Oh, that's sweet. My mom sprayed my hair. Black puts some glutes, the sideburns on. So to be this amazing Cass Elvis costume, and the reason why she actually made it because one of their friends had a 40th birthday party and my parents and their friends did the 40th. Birthday party is huge. They just went all out and they would have meetings and plan a whole thing and have these great surprise parties. The people, this one friend of theirs, her name is Pat branch and she was a huge Elvis fan. And they said, it'd be great if we could have an Elvis impersonator and I'm around the house in the mirror doing Elvis all the time. I wasn't even a singer. I just thought he was just the coolest dude. I actually saw him play when I was five years old. at the met stadium. Oh nice. Yup. 1976, 75, 76, somewhere in there. I was five or six years old. Anyway, I fell asleep. It was way too much for me, but still there were some influence, but a lot of influence. Anyway, I was always sort of performing back to my neighborhood. We started playing music and move from BMX bike until like making guitars and writing songs instead of. Doing cover songs. We were about like, I had one friend, my friend Steven was just a really smart creative guy who was like, let's write a song like you can't write a song. You gotta, you know, and he just opened me up to that. After that, that's what we wanted to do. We spent time performing and, writing songs and playing in bands and the only reason why I became a drummer. So I was, I love guitar. I was playing guitar. I was the only guy in the band that had a job and had the rhythm. To do it. So, so they decided, okay, you're going to be the drummer, the drummer. So I, I was a very rudimentary drummer, but I figured it out. And I actually went on to, uh, continue to play. Even after those neighborhood bands ended. I played drums with a band called the urban gorillas. Oh really? So they were a big band in the, in the eighties, in Minneapolis, kind of a punk on a band. They, they broke up and reformed. And I had some friends that knew some of them. I was 16 years old playing at seventh street entry. And the caboose are you serious? That's awesome. So I've been in it. I wasn't good. Let me just, you're 16 at the caboose. That's not bad kind of foreshadowing to where my life went in my twenties. Like that's, that was my home, the caboose. So it was very exciting to be able to do it. My parents were pretty cool with it. It was just like a weekend. Got to do some shows. We did go to on the road one weekend, we went to Morehead and played at Kirby's, which is another place that my band Johnny Clewis played there a million times. It became my home. So strange, strange, early life from music. And, and was the rummage kinsmen, is that part of your chronological order here? Some of my high school friends from Monomy di I had, I was friends with people in Monomy Diane Hill Marie, because I played summer soccer friends with everybody. Yeah, exactly. Steve Brown town. Nice guy. Just too nice. Um, playing soccer with some friends, Jay. Yeah. Jay Matthews and Dave leach. Some guys that I knew, um, they were like, Hey Dave leach. Andy Leach's brother. Yes. Oh Lord. Yes. He's still a good friend of mine. Uh, sadly we lost my friend, Jay Matthews. Um, but we, uh, we, we formed a band-aid after every girl's like, dude, let's get some, we all like the same music. They said, let's get a band together. So I started like formerly playing the drums with them and also writing songs. So I wrote songs. I w that would be my platform and Jay would sing them and we'd play them. And so I ended up being the drummer for that band, which we had a good run in high school. We had t-shirts. So how old are you when you get your first band? T-shirt how are you still in high school? Um, yes, 87 rummage Canyon. How cool are you walking around the halls of Hill Marie being in a band with them? Wait a minute. Wearing uniform under my uniform. I'm wearing that t-shirt and at some point I'm making a point to tell people this is my bag. No, it was actually, it was, uh, it was a well-designed shirt and it sold like crazy. We had all kinds of welds, you know, they loved it. It was super fun. And you have occasionally gotten back together again because you have like some, some fundraising events up at the dugout in downtown Mata meet the dugout, which is sort of like the 50th and France of Willard. Again, it was like, the focus is on original music. We did a lot of covers to fill out a whole night, but we wrote songs and they were turned on to that idea. And so I, from my neighborhood too, Now my high school band, we were actually writing songs and no one was really doing that, with any kind of, they weren't like fantasy songs, but they were, they were yours. They were danceable. And the whole point is to have fun, get people out, dancing on the dance floor, get them having some fun. That's totally, that's. It's always been about I'm performing and like having a good time people getting people out there and getting together. So I miss it right now. So who else was in that band? Just curious. Dave Leitch, Jay Matthews. Uh, Josh Knutson. Who's a good friend. He graduated from Alameda and they moved out. He lives out West. He lives Seattle and, then Kelly, Ryan played the keyboards. We lost him too. He, he had, he died, uh, in the, in the nineties. So, um, Super sad. We lost two of those guys and we're not, we're not in the nineties. And he had to be young. He had a brain tumor and it's awful. It was all, we were all in college and it kind of happened so fast cause keyboards. Yeah. Yeah. I look back at the eighties and nineties, I think of a flock of seagulls and some of the concerts that I went to and keyboards were a big part of, of the show. Right. You always had the keyboard person right on the front right of the stage. And it was, there was a lot of techno to it. It was fantastic. Yeah. Jerry and journey had the journey, had the guy absolutely. So tell us about your, uh, your, your time with Johnny clueless. That was, that was kinda when you hit it the big time. Yeah. So, so I moved into college with this idea. I was going to change from being a drummer because I didn't want to pack up my drums and go to college with a drum set and the world does not need another half-ass drummer. I was a half-ass drummer. I loved it, but I had rhythm, but I was still writing songs. And so I was like, when I go to college, went to St. Cloud state, by the way, go Huskies. I was so excited to do that. And I was like, I'm going to, I'm going to kind of keep my eye out for some people that might need a band I'm going to help them out. jumping in as a rhythm guitar player for a band, uh, had a singer, they had a whole thing. And, uh, and because my neighborhood, we were very much like it was an open, there was no very creative environment. So there was like, let's do this, you just are open like that. so when I sat there with. This band, the singer was doing something in and someone said, you got it. You got a song aside. I got a song and I ended up singing it and I sang it. It's called, I want a girl. One of my roommates. This is on YouTube. You can see it. Yeah, exactly. And, uh, I played it in old band. It's like, this is great. This is a real, this is original song. And the singer never came back and you're the singer, you know, I guess you're the singer and a great, so. Kind of like Lou Gehrig and Wally PIPP. Yes. See, it's the same thing, just different. The Lou Gehrig of Minnesota music. How about that? And we had no idea when we started this podcast where the connections are, and now we know the rest of the story. That's cool. So that was a, that was a, an early formation. Johnny Lewis called tomfoolery would put all up college parties. We were not able to be in the bar yet. And that kind of fizzled out. we wrote a lot of songs during that time and built a great bar or a party house kind of crowd. We put on a tape as well, back again, another tape, you know, you get those tapes going. Oh yeah. And we created a nice little audience. So every time we, I came back the next fall, there's more people that are into it. And by the time sort of that, that kind of ended out, I was like, okay, I'm going to start a real band. I'm gonna do this. Right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna really try to find people that are serious about it. So. I got my old drummer who I really formed something great with. And, uh, and then I found some new people and, uh, Stacy mochila on bass. She was, um, I went to the music store in town in St. Cloud. And I said, you don't even want to play space and no kidding. And yeah. Was at this simple and the guy goes, well, actually, Stacy, uh she's. She comes in here all the time. She's great. She can sing and everything. And I'm like, A female bass player. That's pretty cool. Very, uh, very smashing pumpkins, nineties. Yeah. So I literally went home, called her up. She lived in a dorm, not far from me. I said, I'm starting to abandon someone, you know, from the music store gave me your number. And she came over immediately. We sat down and started working it out. So that was awesome. Yeah. So it was, it was that simple. And it's been, that was 1992. Wow. Um, and we had a couple different guitar players, the guitar player played with now. We've known him since, uh, early 2000 and he's a fantastic, amazing producer. He plays everything and, um, but, but we traveled. And from that point from 92, we did a lot of St cloud state, shows and built ourselves up at the red carpet. And then we started traveling, graduated from school and traveled all through the twenties folks that would show up at a lot of the different shows break. I want to say regulars, fans, I don't want to call them groupies cause that term gets kind of into the muddy waters and so forth. But you know what I'm talking about. folks that just loved your band and no matter where you were, if it was close enough to drive off, they went. Yep. We did we had, so what really built us in Minneapolis is started playing the caboose every Wednesday in the summer. Oh, that's huge filter crowd up by that neck. By that fall, it was an amazing crowd. So we were very energetic band. We kind of had something fresh going. And like you said earlier, the nineties were a great time for original music. Grunge scene was in, we were in a grunge band, but it was about original something, new, something different. All the cheesy eighties stuff, people were kind of ready for something, completely different from what they had in the eighties was a lot of fun, but it was over done. And when the nineties came around to your point, people were starving for something different. Yep. Yep. So we brought something fresh and newness, some of that original thinking from my neighborhood, like write a song and, you know, they weren't great songs. Um, but we kept crafting them and kept working on them and, and, you know, ended up putting out albums and. I'm recording in real studios and it surpassed John. All I really wanted to do was play the red carpet. That's St. Claude, Michigan. We love it. Such success of the party houses was packed and, I was like, I just want to play the red carpet. I want to have a good crowd there. And the first weekend we played there, we played upstairs. So they gave us like the small, small venue and that some other cheesy band played downstairs. I shouldn't say that they were like a cover band. Yeah, nice guys. But they, um, the bar. We played for a whole weekend and we packed that entire space so bad. There was no one downstairs in the main room. They should have flipped by the end of the night, I was on top of the tables. You know, we were just entertaining the crap out of these people. They were all, they all knew Al the songs already. So it exploded because the 21 year old party house, we're all at the red carpet bar. So the bar, I was like, Whoa. And then they made a lot of money on hospital. That's great. Um, and then same thing happened in Minneapolis. We, we built a crowd there and then by the time all those people graduated. It. So it's all timing for my band. It exploded into this great thing and the bar scene was really good back then. So we had a thousand people that could booze every time we played there. It was great. And then can't complain, you went on the road, didn't ya? We, we, we hit the road and did, uh, almost 180 shows a year for a few years there. So we, we went through three different vans. We pulled a trailer along, so we, we didn't bring PA gear. We just played in clubs that had PA systems, but we, you know, you bring your amps and your. Your gear and it's, it was very arduous. It's a lot of work, right? I mean, that's, that's a 180 that's, that's a long grind. The biggest crowd you ever, um, I would say one of the, one of the biggest girls ever played too is about 60,000 people for the 10 year old thing, with a cheap trick. We opened up for cheap trick. No, that's cool. The Apolis were blocky used to be before they built the blocky. There was a big, huge lot there before they had the, before they started building, they had a big party. And the whole city was, you know, packed full of people. And that was, at a time a culmination of, we had played a month of shows with cheap trick and they already really liked us. Is that the biggest name band you played with? Was there any others that maybe you were a little bit star struck when you met him? We played with so many bands. We opened so many bands, Google dolls, naked ladies, Sheryl Crow, solo sound, chip Shakespeare gear, daddies. I mean, everyone in town stained in the side to put to them a lot. We are great opening band. Cause we were punctual. We were nice guys. We were nice people. You were reliable too. Right? People could count on you. They're going to put you on the Slade crap out of people. So air fund that my, the thing that I always like to know is, you know, who of those big bands were like the nicest, the kindest, uh, folks that you encounter. They're naked ladies as my guests, they were very nice, but you know, we didn't really, a lot of times you don't really hang with the big band. Goo dolls are nice state. They actually. Acknowledged us, but I got to say it's cheap trick because we went on so many shows with them. Um, we were just this little van following their trailer, big bus, but, but we won over the, the tech team. So they're their guitar techs. They're like, these guys are fricking good. This is, this is a good band. So they started watching us and then they told the band about it. The band started kind of like actually, well, they play so many shows. They don't look right. They're opening bands. They'd come on when there's this a play. But I know that they liked us because at the end of this little tour, um, they played first Avenue and we played old Garris the same night. Wow. So we didn't open for that show, but it was, we just wrapped up and they were going from, uh, Minneapolis to Chicago the next day. So we just put it out there, said, you know, we're playing old gears. Do you want to stop by and get on stage with us? And, uh, just to throw it out there for the hell of it, they showed up now. And that's telling you that, that, that probably was my, my greatest moment of my whole career. Um, plaintiff's creation. We were, we were so tight. We were so great after that tour. Cause we watched these guys that are such pros, just, just seeing how they do it. Um, it just sort of inspired me to like, okay, just to pro to do it a pro level, just a couple of different things you'd do on stage and just how you. How you interact with the audience? We already had it down, but it, they just, I just refined a lot of things, watching them for a month and shit they showed up. So I was one moment I looked back, was looking at my band or my drummer. I, I look forward and I see Robin Zander and Tom Peterson. And I think bunny, I don't know, there was three of them. I don't think Rick was there in the bar. He was hanging out with somebody, but Robin's, Andrew's watching us play. Oh, wow. And then we're like, you want to get up and play a song. He got up and played a song with us. We put a stone song or something, but Oh, awesome. But I've got photos, but this is before the cell phones were really big. Right. So we don't have a lot of footage of it, but there's lots of a few photos of it. And what am I most proud of me? He's playing my guitar. He's singing in my mic and we put some grace and clearly you have to, you gotta be a good guy to be, willing to do something like that. That some, you know, I mean, no Garris was a nice venue, but yeah. To them or rinky dink, you know, space with them. We were hardworking band. I have a story. you asked me to bring up some stories, just a couple again, we're a Minnesota, nice band playing all around the country. We played coast to coast. We put at CBGBs. We played at the whiskey really? Yeah. To nobody, John. I mean, no one was there, but, we did play the, CBGBs two different times, but, um, it's a hard SAR thing, but we would anchor our, uh, our bar shows where you'd open for, for some band for 50 bucks. And you'd play at a college show. For more of that to help sustain the tour. Anyway. So a lot of college NACA shows. Um, we were in Des Moines. We had a good little crowd in Des Moines that we had built over the years. We still, they still come out to the dugout. Some of those annoying people every once a year. So we get that happening. We played at a private party for one of their houses. One time, really good people. We played at this bar in Des Moines, uh, really, uh, early two thousands. And, uh, the band, uh, The outfield play deep. Yeah. So, you know, then they had a million hits in the eighties, great band. They played at the, uh, uh, taste of Des Moines. Right, right. Before that, they came in, walked into the bar and you could just tell, as we're playing, they look like somebody, they look like they, you know, they had a couple of girls with them. It was just like, you'd expect. But it wasn't a very full night. They asked the bar if, um, To ask us if they could get up and play a song. So it was a little like you normally like w like Rob Zander, we asked him to get up. Cause we acknowledged him. We didn't know who they were, but they said they want to get up and play a song. I'm like at the break, we're like, okay, because we're Minnesota. Nice guys. They get up. They played for a full set. Oh no, they didn't play a song. They play a full set. They just put a huge show. They were going to a bar after and they were like, Oh, we still want to play, can you guys let us play? Sure, sure. And they play a whole set. They played like eight songs or something and they killed our crowd, the crowd that we had, that they brought in left with them. And so we ended up kind of. Doing a lot of trying to cover their songs. And we entertained our sound man, doing my version of making up lyrics to theirs. But, um, that's a very Minnesota, nice Canary, Minnesota. We did it. We were nice guys. Um, another, this is another kind of a weird story, but we are in a place called Okoboji Iowa. It's a resort city in Iowa. Everybody goes there in the summer cause it's the one Lake in Iowa. It's a huge, it's a huge thing. We used to play at a place called, Fritz Murphy's anyway, we are loading into their hotel tonight. Uh, right before the, before we go to the bar, we saw these high school looking kids in a hotel room next, this is dodgy little hotel that we stayed at. And, uh, they were like, Hey, you guys are band or something where you, you guys playing a Murphy's. Yeah. And they're like, Oh man, cool. Cause you're going to be over there. Yeah. I'm always promoting you coming out. No, we're, we're not 21. Oh, okay. Well, you know, what are you guys going to do? I don't know. So we played, our whole show came back loaded in our guitars in another room, and there's still these sad looking dudes hanging out. You know, they had some like beer and they were like, you know, just had like a lame night. And, uh, me being the constant performer, I felt like I owed these guests. I was still had an excitement going and like, I felt like I got him. Wait, can I do for these guys? I don't know why I felt like this, but I'm going to make something fun for these guys. I go, Hey, you know what? I had an idea. I go, you guys I'll be right back. I'm going to go to the store. I'm going to get something I'm going to come back. We're going to have a contest. Like what? Cause it looked like the saddest party. They're just gone the wrong way. Yeah. So I went and got some dumb convenience store prices like army men and like candy bars and stuff. And I said, all right, everybody, come on out here. We're going to have a standing broad jump contest. The winner gets an amazing price. They're like what? And it was so stupid, but all of a sudden they all kind of got excited and like, what's going on with the band band guys who want us to do something, what we got outside and we had a contest. We like, we had a boiled down to the last three and a, and the ones that did the best got prizes there. Like it was like one of the funnest things we did. I don't remember the show. I remember that. And I think everyone felt the same. We were like, arm-in-arm, you know, like. This is the super fun I, and they probably still remember the night too. I kind of hope they do, which is the point, gentlemen, that Steve Brown that is Steve Brown, Steve Brown is the guy that if he saw somebody in the lunchroom sitting by themselves, he he'd, he'd be the guy that would, uh, up next to him and, and make a friend probably trying to promote my band for sure. You've been, so that person had a better lunch because of that time. And that's kind of the whole idea. Well, okay. I have one more story. This is not band related. This is kind of brings it all back. John 1984. Yes. I just started high school from my little St Jude's experience to a big, huge school. I walk in and I don't really know the scenario what was going on, but, um, there was some kind of mocking of freshmen and they were in the wrong spot and someone was pointing someone out and somebody's hanging on this group. And a young John Schweitzer looks at me, come on. This is the first time I met you. This is a young John Schwartz looks at me and goes, Hey, I was, he goes, who are you? I go, I'm Steve Brown. He goes, Oh, you Dan Brown's brother. I go, yeah, he was all right, come here. I'll show you. Here's what you gotta do. You know, like leave him alone or what was the, it wasn't like a fight, but they were just really giving you a hard time meeting all of us and kind of mocking us as freshmen. You, John. Or the one of the first people I hadn't met, that was not from my grade. And you, if you embodied that idea that you're talking about right now, and now he's the quarterback of the kindness Chronicles. Talk about coming full circle. I said to my brother, I go to John Schwartz's. He goes, yeah, I go. For some reason, he was super nice to me and I wasn't prepared for anyone to be nice to me. That's so cool. And I always remember that I was like, John Schweitzer is one of the first. Older guys at high school that was kind of guiding me under the wing. The whole thing. Sincerely, there were guys from your grade, you know, Tony Yokum and John Shulkin and you, and they're just that class was a great group of guys until. Yeah. Took our senior girls away from us when you were sophomores. That's where we draw the line in the sand where it all changed. You just say shoe store. That's pretty neat. Well, good for your Johnny boy. Well, now I'm going to have to go redo my makeup. Yeah. Get a little salty discharge coming out of your eye. There it'd be in here. So I put on the guy? Liner Cooper starter set. Yes. Very nice. Well, Steve, thank you so much for your time. Steve is now in the, uh, tell us about what you're doing right now. It's so actually he's here today working for me at the Masonic. Yeah. So I, after, after I played and traveled in the band and wasted all my twenties and all my friends were gaining a career basis. I, uh, I jumped into, uh, I have a TV production degree at St. Cloud state, but I really never did much with it, but I love filmmaking. I love all that production aspect of it. I fell backwards into a job at target as a, as a producer. As a kind of coordinator. And now, so I've been doing those kinds of things for most of my career. And, uh, since the pandemic, I ended up spilling out into, um, new territory again. So I've been doing executive producing and helping with video shoots and with a technical producer for virtual events. So. Uh, I'm today I'm helping a film crew. I was supposed to be helping, but now you drag me into this. I'm not helping those poor guys. I'm helping, uh, do a shoot for you for the Masonic team, a trivia contest. She was super fun. Yes. Uh, we have, uh, Kevin and I actually host another podcast called Minnesota Masonic histories and mysteries. And, uh, Steve is, uh, kind of helping us launch that through this trivia contest to kind of. Build some awareness. So Steve, thank you much for your time. Pleasure to see you. It was a blast. Thank you so much for asking me to do this. I think you might've meet a guy. He'll Murray guy. He'll Murray guy too. I mean, that's that, you know what that is? That is, uh, that's a match made in heaven right there. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And off we go.