Dr. Branden Moriarity: Kids, Kindness, Cancer

The KC Crew discuss the role we all play in mentoring kindness in children and conclude with a visit with University of Minnesota researcher, Dr. Brendan Moriarty and his work with immunotherapy and its potential impact on curing pediatric cancers like osteosarcoma. Smart Minnesota guy!

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Welcome to the Kindness Chronicles, where we hope to inject the world with a dose of the Minnesota nice as it desperately needs. And I was instructed, make sure that you introduce everybody. We got Steve Brown here, who's usually the pest. I'm the one that's doing it. We got Michael Dempsey in the, uh, you, we let him in about once a month. Yeah, I love it. You know, too much Dempsey, you know. KG is is occupied with his, uh, his paid profession. Uh, he just got done with a, I think it was an eight day trip through Canada, finished in Boston. we'll be doing a little interview with him tomorrow morning and we'll probably attach it to this particular podcast. That'd be great. Little wooden sticks. Yeah, little wooden sticks. Ask him about the, um, the lobster roll that he posted. He took a picture of it. Oh, did he? Yeah, before he ate it. And, um, yeah. I always like when he mentions food, but he did, he did post it giant lobster roll with the rink in the background. I didn't, I just, I was just, yeah, he has the rink in the background. Yeah. So we want, decided that we should probably start and review how everybody's oxytocin day went. Yeah. If you, uh, remind them what that is. If you didn't listen to last week's episode, we, uh, invented something we believe is quite clever. We're calling it Oxytocin Day. Yeah. And Oxytocin Day is the day that you go online and you manipulate your algorithms so you only watch things that make you feel good. You dump the junk. Dump the junk. And you promote oxytocin. You promote that that feeling you get, that love drug that makes you go, this is worth being a human and watching. Humans exchange kindness, compassion, uh, just emotional goodness. I was watching all kinds of stories of people giving away their money but my oxytocin day was disrupted by. The Grammy Awards. Did any of you guys watch the Grammy Awards? Did Rachel Dratch just show up here? Geez, we're talking about Debbie Downer, yes! Same thing, John, I was at all the intentions to like, okay, it's OxyToast Sunday. It's the first, first day of OxyToast Sunday. I'm gonna try to do this. And you know what I had a problem with? Not only did the Grammys kind of start, but I was like, oh crap, I gotta, I was like looking up deaf children. No, wait, no deaf children hearing for the first time. That's not how Instagram works. That's I don't do Instagram. I am only on YouTube. Right, I, I want to find Instagram things, which I, I do have that kind of stuff on there, but I wanted to start that feed and it was not, I, I, it, it was not easy. So we have to have a, a better way to help our listeners and, you know, us find those links to get. To cool stuff. But so it's a, it's a, it's an ongoing project. Okay. But so, so were you distracted though? I mean, he asked about the Grammys and he, and then you said you were messing with your phone. So did it, I mean, I had all intentions and I, I started and then I was like, Oh, they're the Grammys very much distracted me. So. The Grammys won in it's distraction. Well, and let's start with some of the, uh, the fashion choices people made. Let me, for example, is his name Jaden Smith? Yes. Jaden Smith, who is Will Smith, the slapper. Remember the slapper? Yeah, we all know the slapper. of Prince of Bel Air. Jaden Smith shows up and he's wearing a box on his head. It was a, it was a house. It was like a castle. It looked like a haunted house. It was this big. Like, I'm like two feet high around his head. As a, as a very serious note to be like, look at me. Um, my dad's famous and no one's looking at me anymore. Please look at me. But you guys have to understand why this is happening. Because the fashion. Extravagant fashion moves from the Met Gala are now moving into other award shows. You guys know the Met Gala was this Celebrities, it's an art, really, event. It's supposed to do that, but now those designers are taking big risks and they're having celebrity clients that decide they want to do crazy stuff, like the house hat. The house hat. Also like the other, uh, very, uh, very controversial, uh, see through dress that Kanye wears. Well, yeah, I was going to say that I was, I was thinking, okay. This Jaden Smith is gonna get all the attention, you know, mission accomplished. You look ridiculous. Yeah, right. And then Kanye West walks in with either his wife or his girlfriend. I think it's his wife. Attractive lass. Yeah, she's And she had on like this overcoat and then she took off the overcoat and Well, she was naked. It was a cellophane dress, basically. She had a see through dress, but it was very clearly see through. Yeah. So did that disrupt your oxytocin days? Well, first I took a picture of it. Okay. And then, um, made it my screensaver. It was distracting. It was, well, it was just like, what is happening to the world? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't jump back into it, but I did, I kind of did enjoy the, the, the Grammys, which we don't need to talk about that, but it was, um, it was outlandish, but I was impressed with some of the young talent. Anyway, I was too. And I will just say about the Grammys. who doesn't like Shaboosie? Shaboosie, that's a good song. Everybody loves that song. Who doesn't love, who's the guy with the tattoos all over his face that, uh Do not say Teddy Swims. I love Teddy Swims. You did not say Teddy Swims. He's a good soul singer. You don't like Teddy Swims? Well, I mean, he just, he's on repeat. It's in my house. Uh, they know that, I mean, Teddy, I'm just, he, I'm over Teddy. Oh, wow. Yeah. We're going to have to ask you to leave. Oh my goodness. He's, he's, he's not really an up and comer anymore. He's been around for a while. But he's up for favorite new artist. Yeah. Yeah. I guess he's. I mean, I guess he's new ish. Yeah. And then the woman that won the favorite new artist was something called Chapel Roan. Yeah, Chapel Roan. And she looked she looked like the mad hatter on crack. That's just gonna ride up to get her award on a unicorn. She has a very, she's very, incredibly poppy, catchy songs. Just nothing, nothing that I would purchase. But I was like, oh, she's, I've seen her on SNL too. she's very colorful and, and there was some great new artists. You're absolutely right. Pretty impressive. This wasn't going to be a Grammys episode, but if we do want to elicit the kindness. I, I mean, they were just really pumping the sort of fire relief. Right. Fire. That's why there's kindness. I guess they raised a, a ton of money. Sounded like it. Yeah, right. Uh, a boatload of money, it's funny because you removed from the, the tragedy, right? I mean, that was about three weeks ago. All, and, and you're like, wow, that's devastating. You see, all the imagery. But it's really hard to sort of wrap your arms around it. And then they had that montage where, people are going back to their homes that, they've lived in for 60 years and they raised their kids and there's nothing left. There's nothing left. But you know what they did in that montage, if, if you recall towards the end, they showed somebody finding their wedding ring or the, yeah, their engagement ring. So you're like, oh my gosh, they're all this devastation. You get that for a minute. And then towards the end. There's this sort of this glimmer of home. Yes. Yes. You can feel the connection that people were connecting there. I was like, they're all going through a pretty, pretty terrible, terrible thing there. Yeah. And before we get on to our final topic. Bruno Mars and, Lady Gaga, they sang California Dreamin Yeah. Those two have a great deal of talent. I, I enjoyed that a lot. I did. I'm not sure about Bruno's mustache and Lady Gaga. What have you done with yourself? The bangs. What's with the bangs? Yeah, that was, I actually want to hear that again. That was a really great cover. You know what? I bet you it's on YouTube. I'm sure it is now. And you know what? That might help with your oxytocin day. Yeah, there you go. See, it'll be a rabbit hole though. So I gotta, I gotta get those new algorithms ready. Yeah, be, yeah, be careful. You bring up Lady Gaga. Um, again, back to kindness. What a collaborator. we call them collabs. Collabs. Is that what you do? Is that, is that, is that what you do? The kids say collabs. Yeah. But she's great. she's got pipe. She can belt it. I mean, she can do all of that on her own. But she's very generous in, in giving. She's done so many. Collaborations in the last five years that have gone sort of way off the charts. She's really good. Yeah, he's super good Yeah, I'm very generous. Yeah, I sing what she sings with everybody and she's really good at collaborating. Yeah collabs Dance moves almost looked like she was having a seizure though. I wasn't sure what that was all Oh, there was a commercial where they we had we watched a whole video From it was a MasterCard commercial, like what are we doing? Oh, it was a video. Yeah, interesting. They sneak that in. Okay, so we got to get to our topic. So when Michael's in studio, we allow him to decide what we're going to talk about. Oh, thanks. And a couple of weeks ago, we had a kindness to seniors. So you wanted to go with something like kindness to children. Yeah, children. By the way, on the kindness is seniors show was. It was amazing. And you guys had called out a couple of shows. Ted Danson was in a show. And I'm four or five episodes into it. Inside Man. Yeah, it was good. It was good. And really highlighting, um, you know, seniors in that environment. Their culture, yeah. Yeah, and you work in that environment. Listen, I loved, loved, loved the senior show because I think there's a ton that Can be tapped into, you know, with that audience and Hey, we're all going there. Yeah. Oh yeah, we are. We are headed there. But I, but I thought the flip would be interesting as well because you know, where do kids learn this idea of kindness? You see it all the time in sort of the purity and innocence of you see sort of children playing together. You see it often where kids are just naturally You know, kind to one another and you know, the question is, how does that happen? I mean, do they, do they go to a class and I don't know, you know, I think you have, I think I saw experiment with these two little kids and, uh, they, they gave them portions of this meal. They set a meal in front of them with a cover on it. Yeah. They lifted the cover off and one kid had a whole pile of food and the other kid had no food. Yeah. And the kid looked at each other. The one kid looked at the kid that didn't have any food and he gave them some of his food. These are little kids. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think that, you know, that's one example, but that, that stuff is built in. I think it's innate. I agree. You teach your kids a little bit of something, but I, my son, uh, was very, uh, kind and generous to my daughter when they were little and I look at my wife, I go, I didn't teach him how to do that. Did you? And she's like, no. He was like, you know, it's crazy. I think some of that is just born into them. But I think it's also somewhat genetic and just because KG's not here to defend himself, imagine if you're sitting at a table. And there's a plate covered with food in front of KG and one in front of you. And you lift it up, and there's a whole bunch of culvers under one, and nothing under the other one. Yeah. KG's picking up that plate and he's walking away. I don't think so. No, I know. No, he's not. He would share that thing with you. Maybe 25, 75%. But if there was one sausage. Yeah. If there was one sausage. If there was one McDonald's sausage. He'd be a big traveler. Are you serious right now? He'd get out of the way. He would lay on it, is what he would do. Yes. He would like lay on it. He would look around and he would growl like an angry dog. I, I agree with you. Um, Steve, I think it's innate. I think kids have this innate ability to be generous and loving and kind. And, and, and, you know, over time, obviously that you get jaded and cynical. But I also think as kids get older Um, we have a responsibility to model that behavior as well, right? I mean, they, they have to see it, right? They have to go, Oh, it's okay to practical use. Yeah, to, to, to, to behave like that. And, and then it has to be sort of rewarded, right? And, and not, not that, you know, I want this behavior cause I want the reward, but you reward it because you want, you know, sort of others to go, Oh, it's okay to behave like that. It's, it's just great to see kids. And I, and I do think that this is an example of where social media can actually be very powerful in a positive way. Yes, to show kids. The example that, that I come up with is who's the most, successful YouTuber in the world? Mr. Beast. Oh yeah, yeah. Do you know who Mr. Beast is? Mr. Beast is a guy, he, he was offered, I think, a billion dollars for his YouTube channel. And he said, not a chance. And Mr. Wonderful, the guy from Shark Tank, said he's got so many followers. The value of his YouTube channel is probably closer to 10 billion. Anyways, the reason Mr. Beast really became successful is he would take money that he earned from his YouTube channel and he would go and give it away to people. And what that tells me is, is that people like seeing that kind of thing, right? Exactly. There is something positive in the. Otherwise cesspool known as, as a social media. I think it's a small smidgen as to why people listen to this, because we are trying to, that's our kind of chip away at that and trying to, um, highlight that kind of stuff. I mean, who doesn't want to have a little positivity? To your point, modeling that type of behavior. I mean, there are models out there. John Krasinski is an example. When COVID happened, you recall that he, Yes. What was it? The Good News Network or something? Mm hmm. GNN. The Good News Network. That's right. That's right. That's right. one of the very first guests that he had on is he had this little girl that was, disappointed because she couldn't go see Hamilton. And John Krasinski had arranged for the entire cast, original cast of Hamilton, to sing, the very first song in the Hamilton musical. And I'll tell ya, Goosebumps City, if you want to get a dose of oxytocin, Check that out because not only are they so musically talented But it was really cool I'm out now So I I have questions about the the logistics of that were they somewhere else and singing to her from there Uh, they were they were it was a zoom call. They were all on zoom. Wow. Yeah I mean, very cool. See if I can play. I remember hearing about that. I don't think I ever saw it, but I think that's, uh, I think that's amazing. I think there's, you know, you're right about, you know, the internet and the cesspool of, you know, garbage that can be out there. I find back to oxytocin Sunday. Humanity can be saved, right? Um, I'll go out and I'll look at these. I was, I just was looking at a video earlier today that I, that I had seen again, talking about modeling and talking about these kids, and maybe you guys have seen this video. It's um, there's a, there's a woman, a teacher, it's in a classroom and she's maybe it's kindergarten or first grade and she's got all of her students of like four or five sitting around the table and she's playing this game and she's asking this little girl, okay, it's all about recognizing your numbers and she said, okay, pick number three and all the numbers were out there and she had to reach to the sort of flash card that was number three. And she grabbed it and all of the other kids are on the table cheer and there's one kid around the tables like that's my boy. That's my boy and and and then she goes and then she's sort of giggling, right? The teacher like, Oh my God, this is ridiculous. And then, okay, pick pick number one and the girl and the girl, the look on the girl's face like she's just not sure, you know, but she thinks she grabs and she does. She grabs number one and you would have thought it. That she just ran the mile in like under an hour and everyone's like going bananas and the the kid stands up this little Kindergarten's like that's my boy, you know, and he's going bananas and did she miss get misgendered now I don't think so. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't think I don't think she did but And if she, if it took her an hour to run a mile, I just, you know, this is a fact based show. Oh boy. So she ran a mile and under an hour. So way to take that out. But think about Minnow Tank, Lee Anderson. Lee Anderson, yes. Does a wonderful job with that program and you're not certain that all these kids are seeing this at home. Right, right. And just, they're not, they're not. Generally speaking, I'm guessing that there might be a few kids that aren't seeing that type that type of behavior. Well, yeah, I mean it is really everywhere. And also I think what's, what's interesting I think for those kids is that We're it's adults coming into the school. We're not the teachers right there. We're talking to them. They get to talk in microphones I think that was and they they're seeing Adult people talking to them and having fun with them and being kind of men and listen to them And they get to do this kind of thing. I think that's it's healthy for kids to get that. It's not their teachers It's not their parents It's just some people that get the chance to talk to them and share with them and listen to them I think that was really Key for those kids and KG is not with us tonight because he's working a Minnesota wild Wild youth hockey game, he had mentioned, right? Few weeks ago and I said to him I said, oh god, wouldn't you rather just stay at home? He goes to be honest with you It really is a lot of fun right because these kids get interviewed like, the wild players, right? Yeah, and I mean KG is one of those guys that, he was built to be a mentor to children. Right. He's just so good with kids. Can I just tell a quick, anecdote about a person that we celebrated today? One of my dad's best friends passed away this past week. Mm. And we had his funeral, uh, this morning at Assumption Church in downtown St. Paul, anyway, Don Delsing was the guy's name, and Don was this wonderful guy, you know, this is my little tribute to Don. And the reason I bring him up in this context is, Don was one of those guys that was the dad that we should all aspire to be. He was so great to his kids. And when you, when we got there, we were looking at the photos, and there's photos of Don, you know, at the time was probably 70 some years old. And he's on a sled sliding down the hill with these little granddaughters of his. And when the, the, the girls did the readings, I mean, you could just tell how much they loved their grandfather. We should all love our grandfathers, obviously. I'm going to take this, this theory or this understanding that we're talking about. People being adults being kind to kids and and showing them kindness and modeling that for them, right? What happens like so John, if you had, if you had people being kind to you, do you remember, like, how does that translate to adults? Like, I really want to know what, what we think and what we can tell for an example of what, how that actually impresses upon them and how that they grow to be adults and, and. Yeah. Bring it in. I think why are we doing it? Yeah, well, john, I think that's a great story. And the reason why I think it's I'm just a huge believer in in modeling. We not as kids. We only know what sort of under our roof, you know, until we get to, you know, sort of eight or 10 years old. And then we maybe go to the neighbor's house for dinner or go to a sleepover family. Yeah, we have no idea. Right. But when we get to that age and we get to experience somebody else's home and we get to see how different people interact with adults, their parents. Um, that's really eyeopening. And I at least can tell you in my experience growing up, it was my time in other people's homes where I got to go, Oh, Oh, there, there's an alternative. Like this is like, this is an alternative. And so you're so right about that. And so what I always tell my kids. And, um, when they were kids and when they were, you know, they would bring people over. Um, I would say this is, this is always, you're always on, you're always on, you're always, you don't know what people are going to recognize when they come into your home or they interact with you. You have no idea. And I will tell you when you're a kid between eight and 18. You're really impressionable. It all goes in. Oh my gosh. You are so, you, you might not know it, but subconsciously you're walking away starting to model what you aspire to become, how you aspire to live and engage with the world. And so to, you know, anyone that listens to this, you know, whether you're a youth coach, whether you have a sleepover, you know, at your house, all of that. I mean, People are, people are absorbing that and it is amazing the impact that it has. I, I, the more people that can display generosity and kindness in an unconditional way out there into the world, the better because people are going to take a snapshot of that and say, I want to aspire to be that. It's a superpower. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Teach kids that I guess, right? Did you guys happen to see the, viral story of the kid that, uh, so this, this kid is shopping with his mom at a dollar general store. And one of these YouTube influencers goes in there and he's got, he offers the kid, you can have a thousand dollars. Or you can have this surprise gift and the surprise gift. He was wearing Eagles like Eagles football. Okay, so he's a big fan, big fan kid decides he's going to go with the surprise gift. Sure enough, the surprise gift or tickets to the NFC championship. The Eagles game. You've never been to a game before. And this is a kid who apparently he's a big fan, big fan kid decides he's going to go with the surprise gift. Sure enough, the surprise gift or tickets to the NFC championship. The Eagles game. You've never been to a game before. And this is a kid who apparently Has had some medical issues over time. Anyways, so this YouTube guy was so impressed with him, he also gave him the thousand dollars. Oh my goodness. Instead of keeping the thousand dollars, he sat at the checkout and paid for everybody's stuff. Oh my goodness. So anyways, fast forward to this morning on the Today Show. I love watching the Today Show. You took a break from Fox, that's good. NBC's alright sometimes. NBC's okay, so. I was preparing for the, uh, the funeral. So I had some time this morning to watch the Today Show. Right. And they had that kid and his family on. And, again, they were, you know, asking him, why is it that you felt like you should do that? This kid's like nine years old and he says, that's what my mom and dad would do. So to your point, if you see it, you're probably going to be more likely to, uh, to operate that way. But anyways, Bradley Cooper a huge Eagles fan. Showed up and he had five, uh, Superbowl tickets for the family. Oh my gosh. And, you know, Bradley Cooper is an example of a guy who decided that he was gonna get up early in the morning in New York City and go out and do that. I just think that it's That is cool. It is very cool. We have a very special guest coming up. Just to be clear Yeah, our rule is be nice to kids. Yes, very simple be nice around kids Yes, kind around kids. Yeah And, when kids are kind to you, recognize that, because reinforcing the good behavior Reward that behavior for sure. Reward good behavior. So, but we got a special guest on, our topic this week was, uh, kindness with children. And, uh, helping children that are suffering from, uh, from cancers, for example. I would consider that qualifying as a, as a kindness. I'm with a capital K. Are you kidding me? That is kind. And we have, uh, Dr. Brendan Moriarty from the University of Minnesota. Dr. Moriarty, thank you for joining the Kindness Chronicles. Yeah, you bet. It sounds like you have children in the background. Yeah, I love it. Where do we catch it tonight? Yeah, sleepover? What's a 10 year old sleepover? What's going on? Yeah, we're up at the super rink actually. My, uh, My oldest, uh, child is in squirts right now and they're having a little scrimmage tonight. Oh my goodness. Are you gonna go to, uh, the pizza pub next door or across the street to Tipsy Steer? I mean, that's my neighborhood up there. You're up in my neighborhood. You totally nailed it. That is our evening plan. Oh, which one are you gonna go to? Tipsy Steer? To the pizza pub. Oh, the pizza pub. Yeah, it's, uh, it just opened. Oh, it's a brand new one. It's brand new. You can't get more Minnesota than this right here. By the way, upstairs there is a fabulous steakhouse. I don't know if you guys have tried that. Oh, no, I haven't. Oh, yeah, yeah. Prime. Prime. Prime. Yeah, yeah. It's very good. Well, good for you. I'm glad you're in my neighborhood. It's not too bad. I hope it's not snowing too bad. Not just a little. So, what time does the scrimmage start? The scrimmage kicked off about 45 minutes ago, so I think we got another half hour here. No, I'm watching him play right now. Oh, you are? Perfect! Cancer Center Advisory Board, Philanthropic Advisory Board. And you came and gave a presentation about the work that you do. Now, can you just tell us a little bit about where do you come from? How did you, uh, how did you end up at the University of Minnesota of all places? Yeah, I have a really non traditional career path. So I actually grew up in Faribault, Minnesota. Oh yeah, get yourself a blanket. Yeah, exactly. Uh, come from a first generation. College, uh, household and was lucky enough to land a spot at St. Olaf College, uh, only because I was a first generation college student. I actually got into this, uh, In, uh, this national TRIO program. And, uh, so that's why I was able to go to St. Olaf. And they, uh, taught me how to learn and, and became a scientist there first. And then went to the U of M and did my PhD and, and then started a lab there in, uh, 2014. You are being very, very humble when you say, uh, I got to be a scientist and then boom, PhD. Yeah. Goodness sakes. So, if you're interested in checking out Dr. Moriarty's bio, all you gotta do is Google Dr. Brendan Moriarty and we were reviewing your many accolades beforehand and we thought If only we knew how to pronounce many of these words. We didn't go to St. Olaf, we were, uh, we were public school kids. Yeah, we were Well, you two were. Yeah, well, I for sure was. There's no, there's no doubt about it. So why, why pediatrics, what was it that was attractive to you about pediatrics? Yeah, I think the thing that really inspired me about specifically focusing on pediatrics is there's such an innocent population. You know, you can think about all these adults that have liver, liver cancer, lung cancer, you know, a lot of that is from their own life choices. Right. Drinking, but you know, children, they've done nothing wrong. It's just this really bad luck or genetic predispositions that they had nothing to do with and their lives are cut so short. It's just so. Devastating that I just felt like that is a place that needs more attention. One of the things that got my attention is, uh, the work that you've done with osteosarcoma. What is osteosarcoma for starters? Yeah, so osteosarcoma is a rare pediatric bone cancer. Uh, about 900 kids a year get it. super devastating. Um, it basically starts in the bones of the legs and then it metastasizes frequently to the lungs. And it's a very devastating disease. A lot of kids die from it. Uh, and there haven't been new therapies in over 40 years. We're still using the same therapy from 40 years ago. And a couple of young people in Minnesota, we had Casey O'Brien on our podcast about a year ago. And Casey has been battling, you know, I think it started out as osteosarcoma got into his lungs. In fact, the day we had him on the program, he had just had a lung surgery that day. And that guy is an absolute hero if you ask me, the work Masonic Cancer Center. But you are doing some things that are pretty unique in the land of cancer research. Can you tell us a little bit about Your work? Yeah. Our work really focuses on what we call immunotherapy. And so maybe some of you know, some of you don't, but the best defense that we have against cancer and getting cancer is our immune system. Not only does it fight, you know, cold, flu viruses, bacteria, but its other role is to actually identify cancer before it's clinically detectable to eradicate it. And so we really think that. Leveraging that evolved nature of our immune system that already exists to fight cancer and then supercharging that to fight cancer that really has been kind of ignored or missed by your immune system is probably the cure for cancer. And so a lot of our work is how do we hype up our own immune systems or our own immune cells. To actually help them fight cancer and eradicate it after it's already developed. So what specifically are you doing in your lab to, uh, to take on this, uh, this scourge? Yeah, totally. So the way that we approach cancer immunotherapy Is we actually take the immune cells, your blood cells, out of your body and we use a process called Genome Editing. So we actually can change the genetic code of cells to give them new features and new properties. Basically training them to identify and fight cancer like they never have before. And then we re infuse those into the patient to fight their existing cancer. How many, how many people do you think are um, doing that? Sort of work now, like chasing that down. It's not just the university of Minnesota, obviously. Um, what, like, is it thousands? Is it tens of thousands that are on this journey trying to, you know, fight against time? Absolutely. Uh, a huge swath of cancer researchers around the world have the same belief that the immune system And activating it, engineering it, uh, will be the cure for cancer. So we certainly are not the only ones pursuing this, but we are some of the leaders in the world in genome editing and being able to kind of program these immune cells to make them. Better, faster, stronger for fighting cancer. Do you, I want to go back to John's question about what's going on in the lab. I just want to know, like, what time do you show up and do you get coffee first? And do you like have a desk? I mean, is there office politics? I mean, what's that like? Yeah. Lots of coffees involved. Uh, lack of sleep is standard. Definitely. I frequently have people ask me, you know, how do you do everything you do and get it all done? I say, well, you just don't sleep that much, you know, boy. Well, and if you ever meet Dr. Moriarty, you can see the guy's got just the most fabulous head of hair. So, and he's not spending a lot of time at a barber shop. As a guy that's suffering from a, uh, a receding hairline, Dr. Moriarty seems to have, uh, a flow. He's got a flow. Figured through gene therapy how not to lose his hair. That's great. I have a question for you, doctor, um, who's winning so far? Can you tell? Are you doing all right? Is it your, your kid doing okay? Oh yeah. We're up a two zip right now. Okay. Two zip. Okay. But just, just as important. What's the name of the squirts team? Is it, are they like the dinosaur? What is the, what's their name? No, we're in, uh, uh, squirt C gold is the name of the team. Come on, man. Can you, can you get a little more creative? Like gold, sand dragons or something like that? Yeah. So, were you a hockey player growing up or were you too busy, uh, reading books that I should have been reading? I was not a hockey player growing up. I was, uh, industrious. I was, got my first job when I was 13 and I worked, uh, all through high school. No time for sports. So you were unable to sidestep the hockey dad landmine that, uh, that many of us have experienced. I, myself was one that encouraged my kids, you know, maybe we shouldn't do hockey. Um, do you, how many children do you have? I have two kids, uh, the older one's 11, the younger one's seven. And luckily the. The younger one wants nothing to do with hockey, he's an academic, loves reading and art and things of that nature, so one is more than enough. And, uh, my wife's actually the manager of the hockey team. So she runs the household and manages the hockey team. So luckily that, uh, most importantly, she, she puts out the parents snack schedule. That's so that's that says the manager you get to dole out the snack scheduled all the parents that that's a that's Yeah, that's that's amazing. Well, I mean, it's great that you have the two kids. How is that informed your work now? Now that you know, you've done all of his PD pediatrics research and all of that. You have a big heart, a big heart to do all that. This is having Children change your perspective. Does it? Yeah. Does it intensified at all? Mhm. Oh, for sure. Super intensifies. I mean, I meet parents with children with cancer, and I just, when I even think about my, if my children had cancer, how devastating that would be, and I would want someone out there, you know, researching, fighting, you know, the doctors looking for new treatments every day, and. It's definitely inspiring like every day I wake up and I'm excited to go to work and it has a lot of purpose and Meaning to me and it really fuels my kind of ambitions to take it to the next level So definitely having kids has just fueled me more for sure. Well, dr. Moriarty. We kind of sprung this on you here tonight um we'd like to have you on again at some point in the in the relatively near future to talk a little more about this when you're not uh watching your squirt gold, whatever it is, dominate the super rank and blame. But, uh, thank you for your time, doctor. And, uh, we'll be in touch soon. And we'll, we'll do a long form interview with you. Awesome. Thanks so much guys. You take care. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Go, go, go gold. be nice kids, reward behavior, and, uh, and off we go.