Trauma Nurse Dena Z.

Regions Hospital Trauma Department faces incredibly difficult cases every day. We visit with an important member of that team.

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Sorry. It's a fact that there is such a thing as manners, a way of treating people. These fish have manners, in fact. They're coming with me. Oh boy, that's a great movie. Welcome to The Kindness Chronicles. That's a great movie where once again, we hope to inject the world with a dose of the Minnesota Kindness. That it desperately needs. Was that from Jerry McGuire? Yes. Oh, that's fantastic. J Dina, we haven't gotten to you yet. Sorry. I tease it. Tease. That's up my job. Tell her to be quiet. Tell our guests to be quiet. Tell our guests to be quiet. Be quiet. Speak. Pretend like you're not on yet, Dina. Speak when spoken to in a corner, nobody. Oh, she starts out strong. There you go. That's the right way to start. We're gonna get right into this, I guess. I guess. So. Real quick, KG, how are you? KG ISS on the road. Where are you at? KG. I'm out running some errands in Minne Talke, uh, uh, the travel schedule officially starts tomorrow for the, uh, the Minnesota Wild and the new season. That's a us so yeah. Excited that this worked out. Uh, nurse Dean is gonna be an awesome guest and, uh, some good topics tonight. So, real quick, uh, how do you feel about the Carri contract? It was needed. We were, uh, kind of training camp there that black cloud over, uh. Waiting for something to happen. Surprise, it hadn't happened. Uh, but he's a top 10 player in the league. Uh, the wild know that superstars are the ones that win Stanley Cup. So if they have any intentions of doing that, they had to find a way to keep'em. They probably overpaid for Carole, but they probably have underpaid for some of their other players. Bold, who's only making 7 million a year. Oh. Oh no. How will he make it? Uh, they'll all be okay. But that's the landscape that they're in and, um, a little extra kindness for, uh, for is okay by me because he's a great kid. Absolutely. Let's just get right into this. Yeah. I have, uh, secured a, uh, a guest for us this evening. Mm-hmm. Uh, this person is someone that I knew a long, long time ago. She was a, uh. A neighborhood friend of my sister's and all the boys had a twinkle for her. Mm. Of course. Um, Dina, it used to be Dina Tolleson. Now she is Dina. Oh boy. Zeep, isn't it Dina Tolleson? Did I get that right? It used to be. Yeah. It used to be. Yes. Well, here's how we re uh, connected with d. Uh, right after my dad wa and this is gonna be the last show where we talk about the dad. Why? Because we, because we just don't wanna overdo it. No, we love to talk about dad. We do love talking about the dad. Yeah. I have a couple of things to, to real quick. So, Ben figures out that he has all of the voicemails from grandpa that he had ever sent him. Oh, wow. And he goes and reeves these things and he starts sending them to me. I'm like, why are you do. I'm trying to drive, man. Right. A break. Right. But we'll get into that in a second. Anyways, Grandpa was, on the 11th floor, the trauma center at, Regents Hospital, level One Trauma Center, and couple of staff walk in and all of a sudden this familiar face pops around the corner and we're like, no way. Oh my gosh. I used the word God too often. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. That's Dina and my sister breaks out into tears. I mean, it was just this beautiful reunion. Kate and Dina were the best pals. Dina went to Harding, Kate went to Hill and you know how you just kind of go your separate ways. Life happens. Yeah, life happens. Welcome Dina. Hi, Dina. Thank you. Welcome. Hello. Hello. Hi. Thank you for having me. So, so Dina, um, tell us a little bit about your journey to becoming a nurse. How was it that you decided, at what point in your life did you decide that you wanted to become a nurse? Ooh. Well, first starters, well describe to us who you are and what you do at the Regions Hospital. You know, Steve, if you want me to do, do, what am I doing? I'm just sitting here. You're giving the look. I just, you're giving me the look. Let's listen to Dina. So I was there, a labor partner for a girlfriend of mine who was having a baby because her husband did not wanna be in the room because he would've saved it. And the experience that I witnessed of, first of all, a baby being born was absolutely beautiful. But the nurse that took care of my friend. Took my breath away in every way, shape, or form. She had the greatest bedside manner. She was funny, she was serious, she was empathetic. Like she was the coolest lady I've ever seen. And I was like, I wanna be that lady. I wanna do what she's doing. And that's kind of where it started. Wow. D Dina, this is Michael. It doesn't sound like you made the decision to do nursing when you were 16. And then you went to a nursing school and you did all of those things. How old were you when you were in that room and you had that epiphany? Well, first of all, I went to school to be a police officer. That's what I wanted to do. Oh, that's what I started out being. but with that, I think I was, uh, 22. Oh, early twenties, fifth. Oh wow. It's relatively young, but to have the, that experience and have that epiphany and go, okay, now this is what I want to do. Yeah. Is, um, that's unique. How do you really know what you wanna do, right? When you're a young kid, right? You have no idea, right? And it took an experience like that to say, that's what I wanna do. So then what happens? So you have that experience and you say, oh my goodness, I wanna be that person. then what happened? What's the next step? What's the journey? Then the journey is you apply for colleges that, uh, will accept me because I didn't have a great GPA. Um. Not you. So I mean, I like to pass letters and talk in school a lot. So academics was not a priority unfortunately, but I ended up getting into St. Kate's and got my degree and went to work at, A nursing home. That was my first job. I worked with Alzheimer dementia patients. Oh, wow. And then I went into hospice nursing. for a year or so. And then I went to the big regions hospital. I have been there ever since. You said that you'd originally gone to school to become a police officer. How far along were you in that journey before you, uh, decided to switch? Five minutes. Five minutes. Okay. Okay. So it, it didn't last long. Okay. Yeah. One of the things that I just have to, acknowledge is when we first spent our time at Regions Hospital, we were mm-hmm. Overwhelmed by how attractive all of the nurses and the doctors were. It was No, and I mean this sincerely. It was like a, it was like a Chicago med or a Grey's Anatomy sort of situation. Geez. And my son Ben, has a friend named Jesse Flores who works on the seventh floor, I believe. Is that like a step up or step down? I don't remember how he described it, but Jesse's just this really handsome lad and he, he made the comment, you should see the overnight crew. Very attractive people. And I said, well, was he being serious or no? He was, he was being very serious. Oh. Because they're all usually new grads and Exactly. They all still, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I gotcha. Uhhuh Their skin is where it's supposed to be, all that stuff. Yeah. so Dini, you end up at Regions Hospital. where were you first, assigned when you're at Regions? my first job I was medical progressive care, working with dialysis patients, and, I lasted a year there and I had a couple of girlfriends that I actually went to college with that went, they worked at the unit right next to me, the trauma unit, and I'm like, I gotta get outta this unit. I can't stand it. I, I just, this is not for me. And they're like, come work with us. They set up an interview with her boss and I transferred over, and it was awesome. It's been awesome all these years. Well, of all of the places that a nurse could find themselves, I would imagine that being a trauma nurse has to be one of the more stressful, you know, every, can you describe just some of the things that a trauma nurse will experience throughout the course of their, uh, of a week, for example? I can, yes. So we see anything from a fall off of a ladder Mind. You don't get on ladders if you're over 25. Oh, geez. Except stool. That's it. No ladders. Wow. Don't do that. Not the first, uh, medical professional that's ever said that to me, by the way. Yeah. Stay off the ladder. Yeah. Stay off ladders. Okay. Stay off the ladder. Yeah. Hire out. Do that. Car crashes, motorcycle crashes, assault stabs. The big thing nowadays is the e-bikes and the kids and wearing the crocs and the no helmets and, people like to have a couple beverages and fall downstairs. That's another big thing that we see. see it's a lot of falls. Do you see, do you see like gunshot wounds and those kind of things? All the time. Oh, wow. Yeah. Dina, you said you, did the dialysis piece for about a year, and you said,, I gotta move in a different direction. there is so many different avenues in this field that you can work in. And, the patient population is a big thing like. Sick Medical patients are not where I get my pleasure from. but I like surgical trauma patients. what I figured out was when my friend recruited me, kind of, you know, it's like, okay, we'll give it a shot. You're kind of supposed to shop around a little bit for the first few years of nursing so you can see what you like. And I just never left. I loved it. Huh. So I have a question. On the, the day that John's dad came in, did you know that they were there? Did you see his name come in and you were curious, or did you just happen upon them? Or how did that work? And then how did you feel when you saw, uh, John's sister yes, it was actually my weekend to work and we come in for the day and we get our patient lift, and I saw John's name on it and my heart sank, and it was bittersweet. It was like, oh boy, because it didn't sound good from what I was reading before I went to see him. But then knowing that I've known this family for most of my whole entire life, who I love and adore, it was bittersweet. When I saw Kate and we hugged, it was like we had not missed a day. Yeah, that's exactly, for 30 years. That's what Kate was like. She, that's cool. She's like. Yeah, I haven't seen this gal in so long, but instantly that connection was made. And so, just so everybody knows, my dad's name is also John. Yeah. He went by Jack. Um, did you know it was him or did you think it was me? No, I saw the age and I knew it was definitely not the age. You, that's right. I'm much younger. John, how did you, how did you feel? We were much, much younger. I just had a question for John. How did you feel when you saw that it was. That was, Deena being there and like, did you feel like, oh, comforted. So it's, it's really funny'cause I immediately recognized her and you would think that, right? I was the first one that recognized you. Let's just get that on the record. You did. Let's say it. Yep. And, and I mean. Not to be creepy, but she looks pretty good. Oh, looks pretty good. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh Jesus. Dina. Sorry. Sorry, Dina, sorry. She fit in with all the rest of the Chicago me people that were there, but she looked in and I thought, is she visiting or, it was super weird. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of odd that she would just pop her head and, oh wait, she's got a name badge on. She works here. I that that whole trauma team, their bedside manner was outrageously kind. It was soft spoken. Um, but you know, one of the reasons I wanted to have Dina on is obviously when you are working with Level One trauma patients. You are going to be experiencing people that have very, in many cases, very little chance of making it. Yeah. And you know, my dad's future did not look real good, but just the way that they handled it was just so, I can't even, I don't even know how to describe how, how discomforting it was. Patients are great, right? Like, and you are meeting them in their most stressful, traumatic time of their lives when they're with us. But your dad, who he is, who he was, the personality, the sincerity, the kindness, the, the gratitude that he showed everybody like that is what makes us want to do our job. And then we go above and beyond because Wow. It's hard not to fall for people like your dad and your family. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like you wanna do all the things, any little bit of help that you can possibly do. You do. And I think, like, I remember texting John, like I left one day and I was like, oh gosh, I forgot. Maybe we should ask for, what was it, like a cardiology consult or something? I can't remember what it was. Because we haven't touched that yet. You know, like thinking outside the box to see what else that we can do, and you're like, it's already done. Sitting here next to Steve Brown, he asked me a few months ago if I'd seen the series, the Pit. That was my next question. And, and I, and I just watched it. And I'm just listening to you and I, I, I thought the show was amazing, but I'm not a trauma nurse or a doctor. Have you seen Yeah. The, uh, the series and if so, how close to real life is it? I have not seen that show. Yeah. In particular. Yeah. Um, but medical shows. It's more about the drama. Yeah. You know, like you see people who have oxygen on and they, it's on wrong. Or the prongs are in upside down. Yeah. You know, things like that. Yeah. I always wondered why they never consulted a regular medical doctor to make it look more real. So Dina that, but yeah, you, you want stuff like that and you're like, oh, that is the thing about the show. No, that's not, that's done. That's the thing about the show, Dina, it, the pit, um, they consulted doctors and doctors. Are amazed how it's really, there's so much more medical stuff in more medical than it is drama as far as Yeah, really. It's so, it's so amazing. Yeah. Sorry, I don't wanna, I don't have to, we're not here to promote the show, but it's, no, I have to watch it. It's really, really good. And another nurse that I talked to said, he said it's exact, it's amazing how exact it is. And it's, um, it's really, it's quite amazing. Anyway. Yeah, it's, well, and some of the nurses up on, on that floor, uh, you know, just making small talk with them. Had mentioned that the pit is shockingly realistic. Um, KG is, huh? This is, this is the longest you've ever gone without saying anything, do you, any questions over there? Kg? I do. I, I gotta start by saying my, my, uh, my aunt who's like my second mom was a nurse for 42 years at, at Children's in St. Paul. And so I have the utmost respect for the profession and how giving. She has been in our lives. She's like a human saint. I mean, she's just the most selfless person. And I think there has to be a lot of that to what you do. I hear the catch phrase work life balance all the time in all walks of life. But for you specifically being a nurse, having to have that connection with families, and this is what you know, this one was a little extra special because you have the background of being friends with the SCH family, but taking that aside. If you're gonna do your job, you've gotta connect with these patients knowing that the situation is dire. Um, there's emotion involved with that. Dina, how do you separate what you do and you know, you're there for 8, 10, 11, 12 hours sometimes, and then being able to go home and unplug and not have some of those emotions bubble back up. great question, and I, oh, of course, it was a great question. Professional, whatever. here's the real deal, is this is life and death. We're all gonna die someday. You know, some of us end up having tragic accidents where it. Speeds that process up and the conversations are real. They're tough, they're hard, they're emotional. Um, talking with families is a specialty all on its own. Um, you have to meet people where they are. You have to not take things personal, right? Like you're gonna get lashed out on by family members because their loved ones are sick, dying. Side, you know, we're the, we're the punching bag sometimes. Wow. Um, and over the years you do learn how to navigate that and not take it personal. Um, but I think being a healthcare professional, we, we probably as a whole, don't take the best care of ourselves because you are giving a lot. And at the end of the day, you know. I didn't learn what self care was until I was 50 years old, honestly. So I believe it, it, it's true. Um, but having friends that you talk to, being out in nature, going for walks, like if you need to journal, I love acupuncture. You know, there's, there's tools and things that you do to release the stress of work. But you do come, become very good at decom compartmentalizing things. Um, and just separating it. I don't know how it's a gift or a curse. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, Dina, you know, great answer. Yeah. The, um, thank you. It seemed like we were surrounded by, by people that were just, you know, compassionate, just caring folks. I would imagine that in over the course of your career, there are people that have inspired you to operate the way that you do. Who are some of those people and what kinda lessons did you learn from them? Oh, goodness. I'm gonna start with, lemme just tell you those, those, uh, palliative care docs, Dr. Ruiz, Dr. The French guy, um, I mean Dr. Blando. Yeah. Blando, I mean, my goodness, what lovely human beings they are. I knew Dr. Ruiz a long, long, long, long time ago. Um, I don't work on the floor anymore. I'm not a bedside nurse anymore. Um, so I haven't seen him for quite a while, but they are amazing people and it's a whole different philosophy, you know, the palliative and hospice approach. and you, you have to have the tough conversations with people and try to help guide families into a different thought process, right? Like, there's nothing more that we can do. So here's our option. those are tough conversations to have. And one thing that I will say, with your dad, he was so, the hard thing, I think probably for you guys, but for healthcare people too. Like he had his wits about him to the whole time. Yeah, right. He knew exactly what was going on. He knew, he knew. I remember, I'll never forget, he looked at me and he's like, this is gonna be so hard for Kate. Mm-hmm. Because I think he was kind of coming to the point where things weren't progressing, he wasn't feeling better. You know, like, what do we do? And you know, like the last day that I saw him and I held his hand and he's like, well, what did he say, John? We've made the choice. I forgot what, how he worded it, but I just looked at him and I saw a little tear down the side of his face and I just squeezed his hand. And, you know, it's like, I get it. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You know? What do you, what do you do? Let me tell you what he did. And he just kept, let me tell you what he did. Um, just, I just listened to you. He, he exuded the kindness that I've heard, uh, about him on last, the last podcast. And this the fact that. The thing out of his mouth was, this is gonna be hard for my daughter. Yes. It just says it all. Right. I mean, that's, that's what he did. What, what he did. He was worried about her. Exactly. Yep. And that, and that speaks volumes about the kind of man that he was. And you know, the kind of human beings that, you know, he raised and surrounded himself with. That's, that's right. Let's talk more about that. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Besides John, besides his son. Right. That can just ale that ales. All of the nurses that walk in. I mean, besides his son, I mean, everybody else. Yeah. I'm a. I'm a pig, although I learned that, uh, the, is this a long story actually came from the elder, so Yes. Yes. Is this a long story? Yes. That's something that my dad would, uh, would drop on me every once in a while. after the first day that she was there, I'm like, how do I connect with Dina? I don't know what her last name is. So I start trying to track her down, uh, through LinkedIn and I find her on LinkedIn, so I send her a LinkedIn connection because I wanted to be able to text her. About, you know, I didn't get her phone number'cause that would've been super creepy, but here's what's, here's what's super funny. Yeah. My wife probably would've said, well, wait a second. You know, she was here. She was a big girl. She probably wouldn't have cared so much. But anyway. Oh my genius. Okay. I'm keeping it real. I'm keeping it real. So anyways, she, John, John, I know where you're going with this. Is this the story that you're gonna tell? Yes. Is this a long story? Yes. It's not a long story. It's a crazy story. It's not, it's crazy. Look, she accepts my, my LinkedIn thing. Yeah. And she says, oh my God, do you remember my cousin Jason Bergdoll? And I said, oh, I remember Jason Bergal. Not the, not the Jason Berg doll. That was Uncle Chunk. It was a cousin of that. That was Joe. That was Joe Bergal. This is Jason, and Jason was two years behind me. He went to Harding. I said, yeah, people used to think that we used to look alike, so she sends me a screenshot of his LinkedIn profile, what it looks, what did I call it? Doppelganger Doppelganger. That's like a cartoon. Exactly right. It's a caricature of you, John, with glasses. So here's what I see when I look at this. This is an AI generated. Cleaned up, thinned out version of me. Yes. Jason Bergdahl don't look this good. No, there's no way Kind looks like Clark contact. Does he sell cars? What does he do? But, but he has the same glasses, the same jacket I'm wearing. Yes. I wonder if he sweats like you. Like there's nobody sweats like me. It was like the same person. It it is. It was crazy. So what's super funny is, and Dina you haven't even heard this story. There was a story about Jason in the Star Tribune about, you know, professionals on the go or something like that. Sure. And this picture was in the newspaper. My uncle Harry sends me a screenshot. He goes, look at how much this guy looks like you. I'm like, I know that guy. Oh, that was since, are you serious? Since, I am not kidding you. Wow. And I thought that maybe I had showed him this, and he's like, wait a second, this is just too fricking weird. But yeah, it is weird. So those of you that are listeners, go to the LinkedIn, uh, and look up Jason Bergal and then look up John Schitz. And the pictures are almost identical. He for sure had his teeth whitened. There's no question about that. And he's got a filter.'cause nobody's skin can be that perfect. You need to have him on the show. Yeah, no. Yeah, he looks slick. No, he looks slick. Right? He looks like a slick guy. He looks like a slick, thinner version of me. Yeah, whatever. You guys are identical. It's. Crazy. So go ahead. D this is Jeff. My, uh, daughter Kimmy is in her last semester at Winona State for nursing. Yeah. And, uh, do you have any jobs available in preparation for this episode? I was just asking her, you know, what would you ask? And so what advice would you give a new nursing student who's thinking about going into trauma care? I would highly recommend that you start out doing a med surg, job, which means you work with medical surgical patients, so people who have diabetes, heart problems, gout, uh, whatever, whatever the issue is. Um, who also also has surgery. So you get a well-rounded. Wealth of knowledge from dealing with both patient populations and that way you can decide what you like to do. Do you like med sick medical patients or do you like surgical patients or do you like both? you know what I do is absolutely not for all nurses for sure. I hate vomit, like I don't know how. I have always said, if you're gonna throw up patient, please tell me because I, I'll be throwing up with you. So we, we can't do that. Like, I don't want, I don't like that. Smart. But, um, so I, I think that is the best way to kind of start out. But I know, you know, things have changed a lot in the past 25 years since I've been a nurse. Like to work in the emergency department, you've had to have years and years and years and years of experience. Now they hire new grads, which is kind of scary. same with like ICU positions, but she'll figure it out. So she just has to try. I would, I would definitely try a few different units if she works at a hospital to see what she likes, that's great. And she'll, she'll, she'll find her, her niche. Is there a case that sticks with you, uh, one that maybe changed the way you approach your job that you can think of? I asked, what's the craziest thing that you've seen on the trauma unit? Yeah, and maybe it wasn't you, Dina, but they, they mentioned that like, this guy's stomach became so distended that he like blew up. Oh my god. Burst open. That, that happened to me, honestly. Was he, it burst open, brother. You know, actually it was a pa. I didn't tell you that. No, I didn't tell you that it was a pa, that there was no names. So there's no HIPAA violation here. Keep going. that did happen to me. Um, that's when I first started on the trauma unit, and this guy had an abdominal surgery and he was super, super, super, super distended to where like the staples that were holding his stomach closed, were ready to pop out. Well, we had to insert a tube into his nose to decompress the stomach so it would go down so the staples wouldn't. Oh boy. Well, the tube went in and the stomach came open. Oh my God. I felt that way after Foggo de Chow one time. This is like an episode of the Pit man. I know. Not good. So we have to have a little levity with this, right? No, you're, you're right, you're right. We do, we do. That's gross. It's gross. But it's Halloween too, too. It it's kind Halloweenish. It's Halloweenish. Dina, I have a question. So. Um, relating to your experience and you know, obviously in your position where you are right now, just how you were with the, uh, the Schitz family. Do they give you a lot of training on how to talk with people, how to get them into that frame of mind? Or is that just come with time and learning how to do it and working with people? Or are you just a naturally good with people and you just chimed into that of the above? Yes. Okay. All of the above. I mean. As you age, as you experience different scenarios with different people, different families, different health situations, life experiences, personal death, personal injuries, like you learn how to become more empathetic, um, and again, learn how to take. They get yelled at by family members and they are crying and they wanna quit. You know, it's like, it's not about you and you, you have to try to separate that and you're gonna have to have a little bit thicker skin and that will come with time, you know? Um, but yeah, I think it's. All of the above. I have a question that I must ask. I think I, I think I'm pretty, I think I'm pretty personable and social and Totally, you sound like it. Yeah. Yes. Very good at reading the room. You know, you get very good at reading the room. Mm-hmm. What you can say and what you can't say, and when you can make something funny and when you can't, you. John's working on it. I'm struggling with that. He's working on it. Um, so, uh, I promise that we would have you off in 30 minutes, but just a couple quick other questions. Of course. This is a question for my sister. Um, you know, she's into like TV shows, like lockup and prisoners, and I noticed some orange jumpsuits and shackles. How often do you have like prisoners. Uh, that, that you're caring for, and why are they usually up there? Is it, did they get shoved in the shower or, okay. Or, yeah. It's not alcaraz I, for crying out loud. Geez. Listen to the, to the expert. I don't know. Okay. You don't know. Toothbrush, shiv we do get them, of course. And they have like a sheriff that sits with them like all night. Yeah. If, if you're incarcerated, you have to be handcuffed to the bed. You have to have a guard at the bedside. Sometimes, a couple depending. Um, but they usually come in from some kind of an assault. Um, some is self harm, some is. Just being sick, old. I mean, it, it depends. But yes, we do have them. We, we get it all. So there's nothing we don't see and we don't do. Huh. So that those o opportunities for you kind of blend what you wanted to do with what you ultimately decided to do. Yeah, so you get to be around the's a prisoners. Thank you. Thank you. Not many of these guys here. Oh, I see that. See now that kind of blink, that connection. Wow. It's just by way, way my brain works. To wrap this up, to put a bow on this thing, I just want to thank you, Dina. You made the journey for our entire family, but especially my dad, one that just felt very personal and just very cared for. You guys are angels. Yeah. And I sincerely, cannot tell you how much we will always appreciate the generous kindness that you've shown us. So, well, good on you. You're welcome. And I'm, I'm very happy that you had that experience for that difficult time in your life and, you know, your dad was taking good care of, which makes me proud of our whole team. You know, like. I know people work very hard to take care of him, so kudos to the trauma team. You bet. And palliative. And the nurses and all the people. Well, Dina, it sounds like you landed in the exact right spot where you needed to be For us. She did. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for being here. And the social workers. So social workers. Social workers. A tough, that is a tough gig. Well, and we always like, I wouldn't want that job. No. My God. No. No. just real quickly. We had this new social worker. She had been on the job for like 30 days and we were struggling with what to do with dad. Should we do the dialysis, should, and she was just working her tail off to, to help us navigate this thing. And we're like, oh my God, I'm so sorry that we've been so difficult. And she says, difficult. Exactly. She goes, you are the most enjoyable family that I've ever worked with. And I'm like, come on. Yeah. And she's, she's, no, but what I mean, what that tells me is they deal with some really tough situations. She told me that there have been occasions where somebody gets discharged. They're homeless. What do you do with those people? Oh, mm-hmm. Tough. They, they're delivered to a corner in, in, uh, St. Paul or Minneapolis. It's bad. So on that delightful note, oh John, that's not what you wrap it up with. You know what? I'm gonna cut that out. Fuck it. I'm gonna cut, know I'm cutting that out. We're gonna come on, we're gonna finish with the nice stuff that we talked about and we always like to close with a and off we go. Thank you, Dina. Oh, thank you guys. Thank you, Dina. Thank for having me. We'll be in touch. Alright, thanks. Okay, sounds good. Bye-bye. Yep, bye. Creepy. It's not creepy. It's Halloween. They want someone with knowledge of the body. We just want the body now. That is disgusting. How did you know? Oh God. Tune it out.