181. "Doing Small Things with Great Love" w/ Sharon Eubank (author)

Author Sharon Eubank discusses the importance of small acts of kindness. Check out her book, Doing Small Things with Great Love.

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One louder. Why don't you just make 10 louder and make 10 be the top number and make that a little louder. These go to 11. Welcome to the Kindness Chronicles, where once again, we hope to inject the world with a dose of the Minnesota kindness that it desperately needs. Yeah, boy. Do we need it? Oh my Lord. Unbelievable. We have a very special guest. Uh, you can find her all over YouTube. She's an author, but we're gonna get to her in a moment. Mm-hmm. Uh, interesting weekend. I was in, uh, Tennessee this weekend. And, uh, and who are you? I'm John Schwetz. Yeah. Who are you? I forgot. I always forget to do that. This is Steve Brown John. Steve Brown's here. Yep. We got Jeff back there. Yep. Kevin Gorg, uh, has a, uh, Minnesota Wild Hockey game tonight. You could see him on TV if you'd like. Yeah. You can tune into the wild game Tuesday night. Um, so you're in Tennessee? I wasn't in Tennessee. What part of Tennessee were, we we're gonna talk about Rob Reiner in just a moment. Yeah, but I was down in Tennessee. We started in Nashville. Uh, went to the Nate Bargey concert. It was his last show. Another Nate, that's your second show. Show. I know. I've turned into a You're like a super fan. I love the guy. He's awesome. He is great. Did his daughter introduce him? No, but his dad Oh, cool. Uh, did, did a show. And he was so you can understand why Nate Bargey is his funniest Oh, magic, right? Well, there's magic, but he's comedy hilarious. Oh, absolutely hilarious, man. You gotta, that's a good show. Yeah. And then we went and visited our friends, Michelle and Steve, down in Memphis. Went out for a, uh, a fantastic dinner at the, uh, the original Prime Steakhouse in Memphis. And I've had a stomach ache ever since. Must have got the Nashville seasoning. I, it, it was, uh, it was lovely. But let's address the, uh, the opening bit that, uh, our friend Jeff, uh, put together for us came from. I love that movie, spinal Tap. Uh, we lost Rob Reiner and Rob Reiner. When you look at his body of work mm-hmm. The movies that he's done, he has brought more joy and more kindness to the world than many, you know, I can't think of another And diverse, diverse, you know, areas of, of drama and comedy, and it's just, that's, that takes a lot to be able to do that and do that. As at the level he was doing. He's, he's, he had an amazing run of movies there, especially in the nineties. I love everything he did. Yeah. When Harry met Sally is truly the, the, my wife and I, that is essentially our story. Um, she's very attractive. I am not. Um, and somehow I was able to sucker her into, uh, to marry me. And it's worked for 29 years. Um, but you know, a few good men, princess Bride, stand by me. Spinal Tap, I mean, the guy's just, just prolific. Yeah. I'll have what she's having. Um, that's one of the greatest moments in movie history. I saw Spinal in the movie theater in 1984. Ooh. Were you like seven? I was 14. I didn't know, I didn't know that it was a comedy. Me and my friend watched it. We thought it was just this band. We're like, that was no way because we were into Hard Rock. This we're like watching it going. We, we walk out and we go. It, it was kind of funny. Like we didn't know it was supposed to be funny. Well, it was, it was, it was, it was definitely a, a new format, the whole mockumentary thing. And I was, I remember seeing it on VHS and kind of like, I think it's kind of funny, you know, but then as you get older, get classic. It's, yeah, it, I'll just say in the rock and roll world, you know, to single that movie out. It is, uh, it's a language all its own. It's, it's a shared language with, with the people in the production world. Absolutely. With the, you know, music world and stuff. So it's very sad. Well, and, and you, we all know that we do not talk politics on this program. Mm-hmm. Um, we've learned, actually. We have learned, yep. We learned from that mistake. Rob Reiner was a very political guy. Yeah. But I can tell you that, uh, he was very much an activist. He was not a fan of our president. Um. But as an example of the kind of guy that Rob Reiner was, is when Charlie Kirk got shot, he was on with uh, P Morgan, and he had the most beautiful, you know, like. This shouldn't happen to people. Yeah. And he was very, you know, he was just very empathetic about what had happened. Um, I would like to thank the president of the United States for giving us something that we can all agree on. His post on X was appalling. Yeah. It was terrible. Boo. And that's all we're gonna say about that. Yeah. I've never been so disgusted. I mean, the most conservative people that I know were just. Disgusted with that behavior. That's wrong. He had an opportunity to be a statesman and he failed miserably. And that's a quote from my friend, Meg Meyer. Meg Ellison. The Rush Limbaugh of Central Wisconsin. Anyway, we've got a guest. Yes, I, I, I would say as Jason Bateman says on the, uh, the Smart List podcast, sharpen up everybody, right? Yes. Sharpen up. This is, we, we actually have, you know, typically we have people that we know, or people that you've met that I've met. And uh, this is someone who came to us through a publicist and, and much like, uh, uh, Neil Ford. She's, she's the real deal. She's next level. She's serious stuff. Today we're honored to welcome Sharon Eubank, global humanitarian leader and author of Doing Small Things with great Love. Her new book shares decades of experience, helping people all around the world, um, and sharing stories that show how everyday kindness, see, that's how it relates to us, can change lives. We're always excited and to explore. How act small acts of kindness can change the world totally. And change a big impact. So I wanna welcome to the Kindness Chronicles, Sharon Eubank, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much, John. Steve, it's fun to be with you. You are fun guys. Well give it to small doses. We'll see how you feel. You know, 20 minutes from now, Sharon, where are you? Where are you finding us? Where are you right now? Again? I'm in Salt Lake City. Salt, where I'm based. Salt Lake. Okay, great. And go ahead and you have a job. What do you do when you're not writing books and doing YouTube videos and Ted Talks? Well, I, this is my first book, but my day job that I have done for 28 years is I'm the director of Humanitarian services for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. So I've had a lot of experience and one of the reasons I wrote the book was I've made a lot of mistakes and I was hoping that maybe other people wouldn't have to start where I had to start. Uh, and so, you know, it was just a chance to tell. Beautiful stories about other people are doing around the world because they're kind. And so thanks for having me on The Kindness Chronicles. Did I hear correctly? There are 92 stories. In fact, you did hear that correctly. All right. All right, good. My research worked. Before I forget, my mother would like to thank your people for ancestry.com. Oh, yes. I would like to thank you for that. I, I was, so we do this 12 days of Christmas thing, and I was just over there and she said, oh. The Mormons. Make sure you thank her for ancestry.com. I'm sure I said I'm sure Sharon's all over that. That's right. That's for, uh, credit. Try to pass it on. Absolutely. Take credit. So that the job that you have, what, what does that entail? Explain to us what that job, I mean, it sounds like a very lofty important work that you're doing. We try to support, uh, our, our congregations from our faith and other faith congregations, and then just people in communities to, to just thrive, to be better, to be healthier, to be more educated. But a lot of the principles that I talk about in the book is you can't decide what's better for people and then, you know, impose that on their community. Yeah. The most premier skill is to sit down with people and ask them. What do you want? What's going on? Help me understand what you've tried in the past, what happened with that, and what do you wanna do next? And how can I help you? Mm-hmm. That's sort of the core of, of all human beings trying to help each other, but it's certainly the philosophy we try to follow and we work in 190 countries and we, you know, we, we do 3,800 projects a year and we partner with a lot of other groups. And, and we have a lot of respect for them in their work too. So I'm not great at math, but 190 countries, how many countries are there? There's hardly, I mean, why don't you just say, we work in just about every single country. What countries don't you work in? And I, but there's slightly over 200 countries depending on how you count territories. So that's a pretty good market share that you've got there. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Um, and, and just speaking of the book, I, I was reading reviews of the book, um, and people are incredibly blown away by this book it's. Amazing to get kind of a blueprint as to how to start a program to help in their community. But it was even just more of granular, the day-to-day things to do, to make, to do love what you do even more. So, uh, they were really impressed with how you laid that out. And obviously the experience you've had. What, what inspired the book for you? I, I, I told you earlier that I've made every mistake in this book, and I've made it multiple times, and sometimes trying to help people is not always as intuitive as we think it is. We, we come up with an idea and it turns out that sometimes that isn't the very best way to approach things. I wanted something to be so practical and one of the most. Important ideas for me in the book is you don't have to go anywhere, you don't have to travel somewhere. Mm-hmm. That you are powerful in the community where you live. And people will say, well, you don't, they don't need me in Wisconsin the way they do, you know, someplace else. But the truth is they just need you in a different way. And the issues that are where we live might be slightly different, but it is, it has the same effect as a bomb going off in, in, in a location. It's just an internal bomb somebody has. You know, their whole world has exploded because of something that happened to them. And they need people who are kind, who care about them to rally around them. And there are lots of things we can do right in the places where we live. And I, I love the idea that, you know, you, you start out by saying that, you know, we just sit down and ask people what they need. Yeah. Listening. And, you know, we've all heard the golden rule do unto others as you'd want them to do unto you. And this to me feels more like the platinum rule, which is do unto others as they'd want you to, in other words, to really understand what it is that they want. You gotta ask, you just can't make assumptions that their desires, their needs are the same as yours. And I think that that conversation is such an important part of it. So I just, you know, I, I love this stuff. If it's. Might be hard to tell that I do, but she, I, on that topic of, of emotional intelligence and, and really tapping into maybe empathy and what another person is feeling. Kind of going back into your origin story, what you, you said you made some mistakes and then wrote, wrote this book. Is there a little background you can share and what your sort of arc was before you, uh, decided to write a book like this and, and what affected you that way? Well, in the introduction to the book, I told an experience that I had that really transformed me. And it was in the nineties when, uh, Sarajevo was, you know, the ethnic cleansing, that big war going on. And I remember coming into my parents' house and my mom was knitting a pair of bright red slippers that she was gonna send in some. Uh, airlift that was going there. And I remember in my hottiness of, you know, being a young woman thinking, oh my gosh, is that the best we can do? As, you know, little ladies in, in Utah knitting homemade slippers for people. Can we not do anything better than that? I didn't say that to my mother luckily, but. I remember reading a story in the New York Times, years after that about a woman who was living in the basement of her building that had been bombed and the pipes had all broken and then frozen. So it was just this icy, freezing cold. They didn't have any, they couldn't leave the building because of the continuing bombings. And she said, I felt like an animal. I was just living underneath the ground and Wow. And never could go outside when it was daylight. And, uh, a Red Cross truck pulled up into the yard. And, uh, they passed out new socks. Hmm. Wow. And she said, I, I looked at myself, put my filthy feet and legs into these new socks, and I, I realized somebody got those, thought I was human enough to be able to, to bring me this thing. And it didn't stop the war. Of course, that was what was needed, but for that day. At that moment, in that that time period, it was the right thing delivered at the right time, and it made her feel like a human being again. And I had to rethink what I had just said about my mother's slippers. Yeah. Because if they're delivered at the right time in, in the ways that people need, then it. Then that is the right intervention. But it's, you know, when we assume and we pick something that we think they're going to need, that's where we make the mistakes. And it's certainly where I've made mine. Well, that actually ties in perfectly with the, the small things philosophy, I think, right? Isn't that, um, why, how little acts really matter. That's a big part of your book. Explain that a little bit. Well, the quote is actually a Mother Teresa quote, and she says, we can't all do great things, but we can do small things with great love. And for me, the emphasis isn't on the things. The things that we give aren't as important as the way that we give them, the, the way that we make people feel when they give them. And, and her point is, we can do that with great empathy, great kindness, great love. And that's what makes the difference for people. And I think your podcast is about chronicling that, that this, the way we treat each other is the greatest gift of all that, that is. Um, you know, we, we say that the purpose of this, uh, podcast, uh, is to really uncover stories of kindness that would otherwise go untold. And, you know, we have a scholarship program that, uh, I love talking about. And if you'll indulge me, you guys have heard it, but let let her have it. We have the scholarship program. That essentially encourages young people to nominate peers for the kindness that they've shown to their school or to them or to their community. And if that story is selected, um, the scholarship reward is split between the person who took the time to write about the kind, the, the good, the the do-gooder and the do-gooder themselves. And, you know, there are so many stories of kindness that are out there that. And we, we also talk about the fact that we wanna help people manipulate their social media algorithms and, you know, those small acts of kindness, you know, you can get a lot of, uh, oxytocin cooking when you see a 15 second YouTube or a a TikTok clip, especially if it's, if it's for real and it's. Done with the right intention. Absolutely. Sometimes people are trying to get attention, but you can kind of see through those. And I just wanna, I want to tell Sharon that we had a, uh, a girl from Bosnia that lived with us for about seven years and her mother always talked about this pair of slippers that she received. No, I'm teasing. But she lived, she lived in a bunker. She, Ana, who was the au pair for our children. Yeah. For seven years. Um, she, she lived in a bunker in Bosnia and she also talked about how important those little small acts were. So I think it's ironic that your mother's slippers, they could have ended up on their mama's feet. We don't know. We're looking into it. Thanks for that bridge and that connection. I think that's true all over the world. Yeah. People, this is the story I didn't put in the book, but there was a, a woman in in my community who said, I, I'm a widow. I live on a fixed income. I can't do anything for anybody. I can't leave my house. And the woman from the food pantry said, you know, could you commit to to giving one can a week for a year? And the woman's kind of, well, I, yes, of course I could do that. And then at the end she said, you just provided 52 meals for people and you never left your house because when you order your groceries, you get one extra can that you donated to somebody else. Mm-hmm. The point was you don't have to do something heroic and magnificent and, you know, solves a, a solution, you know? All over the world, just that small act made a difference for 52 people in that year. And, and I think lots of the interventions are along those lines. We just do a little bit extra with good intent and it makes a difference for people. Wonderful. Now does that kind of tie in with, uh, your 12 principles of real service? I'm not trying to say these are the best principles, but they are just the principles. As I spread out all those stories and tried to draw out, you know, what, what do I learn from this story? That's how I got the principles that I got. But the one principle that means the most to me, and, and I, I've probably talked about it in other places, but it's this idea that. You are most powerful where you live. And I, I can remember the exact moment that I learned that I was in Sri Lanka. It was after the tsunami in 2000 and, and four. Yeah, it was early in 2005. And I was with a driver, a local driver, and a translator, and we were in a van and he said, I wanna show you something. And we stopped a lot where the main train tracks run across the country. And when they heard the siren, the alarm. People looked up at the train and they thought, that's heavy, and it's built up in the ground, and they lifted little babies and toddlers up into the windows. Oh boy. So, and people accepted them in there because they thought it would be safe from the wave. Oh. And when the wave hit, it, it, you know, it just tumbled the train. It's this terrible metal wreckage that's just been crumpled up. And 1500 people lost their lives. And, and when I got there, there's all these people camped around the wreckage of the train. And I said to Shanta, I said, why are they here? And he said, because it's the last time they were together as a family. They, you know, their PTSD is is on full display and this was the last place they were together. But I watched him, I feel paralyzed. I can't do anything for them. I, I can't speak their language, you know, they don't know the projects I'm working on and, and yet they're touching my hands and asking me for. And he goes over to our van and he, he pumps up a soccer ball and he starts kicking it around with the kids. And the kids are processing their trauma by, by, you know, doing some of these kinds of things. And while he kicks that ball around and shows the kids his tricks, he's talking to the woman inside a little tent. And he said, that yeast that I brought you, did it work? And she said, here's my bread. You know, taste it. Oh, awesome. I can't get washing powder. Can you help me? And he said, I think I can get some. And it just dawned on me. He's way more powerful in this situation than I am for very ordinary reasons. He speaks the language, he understands the culture, and he's there every day. I'm going home in three weeks. He's there all the time. And that was the first time I realized every one of us has that power if we, if we use it. And he was using it. Hmm. Yeah. We always talk about how really all charity is local, you know, the, the, the little, the cumulative effect. Of the little things that people do, you know, whether it's at their church, whether it's, you know, and at their local food shelf. I mean, there's so many examples of how when a community comes together, um, and each contributes just a little bit, the, you know, the multiplier effect of that is just incredible. And you know, it, I always say during the holidays especially, especially during the holidays, but you know, I often joke about the fact that, we hear people say all gifts matter. You know, obviously the big ones can matter a little bit more. You know, they add up a lot quicker. But all gifts sincerely do matter because in fact, this is something that my grandpa once upon a time said, and I think it's really, it's, it's stuck with me. It. Yeah, back in 1955, he made a pledge of$3 a month for three years to what at the time was the Masonic Cancer Center at the University of Minnesota, and he often talked about the fact that his$3 a month, a very, very small percentage of that$3 a month. Helped build that building. Mm-hmm. And inside that building, if the building wasn't there, people wouldn't be getting treated. Mm-hmm. And it's just amazing because the number of people that contributed to that campaign, nobody made huge gifts. But a lot of people gave these small gifts and they felt like, you know, everybody that went through that door, they were helping. And it's, that's legitimately true. Mm-hmm. You know? But, and there's a byproduct that came out of that, that you're telling me that story from your grandfather, 70 years later, generations of your family. Yep. You feel proud about the building that you helped participate in community? Yeah. Yeah. You know, anybody that's in the fundraising business can tell you there, there is something to the, and you know, the, the other side of that is if you get people, this is fundraising 1 0 1. Okay. Okay. Give it to prepared, give it to us. But if you get people in the habit of, of making small gifts to an organization. At some point in their life, they are going to put together an estate plan. And any good lawyer would ask them, are there any charities that you're interested in? Mm-hmm. And I could tell you that in my experience, the. Planned gifts that we get from individuals are many, many multiples of the lifetime giving that they, that they have. But it's those, they've made a connection Yeah. To the organization by those small gifts. Mm-hmm. Sharon, I'm a, a, a charitable estate planning lawyer, so that was my, yeah. We can tell. Advertisement for planned giving. Give me a call. Extra smart. Yes. Um, okay, so I, you know, Sharon, we kind of topped, started the show off a little bit with this, but. It's a very divided world. It's very troubling time right now. I imagine a lot of people come to you in your position, um, and, and, and, and all the experience you've had. What kind of, um, what kind of advice do you give to people about how overcoming the divisiveness overcome the divisiveness in this climate with all the different things you're a part of, all the things you're trying to, uh, create. What's your advice to people about it? I think that question that you asked is such a timely question because it isn't just that we disagree with each other, or we're polarized or we're worried about, you know, fighting with our family on Christmas dinner. It's the, the level of violence is starting to really impact our communities. And we've seen that this, this, this year, uh, you were talking at the top of the show about, you know, just reading in the newspaper about things that happen and it's hard to go to sleep at night mm-hmm. Of some of the just horrific. Uh, things that are going on, and I think to myself, what is the thing that I can do? What is the antidote to that? I think back to, uh, when I was in high school, I took a debate class and our debate coach, who was a, he was in the legislature in our town, and, you know, he, he did things he. He gave us an assignment to argue the other side of an issue that we felt so passionately about, and I, I remember saying to him, why are you making me do this? I don't even believe in this. Right? And he said, I want you to find the legitimate planks of that other argument. There are always legitimate points of view on that side, and I want you to know what those are, even while you feel passionately on the other side. I wish I had ways to implement that, you know, more strongly in my life and in my community because I think. It would get us out of our corners and start to acknowledge, yes, there are, there are flaws in this. And, and you know, that's, that's one piece of advice I would give. I read a, I read a book once on persuasive business proposals. I'm in kind of the world of information technology and I, I recall, uh, them talking about Cicero. One of the stoics back, I don't know how many, thousands of years ago, but he taught that and, and the only way I can truly persuade and influence is if I feel the person's feelings, I think the person's thoughts, those kinds of things. So it sounds like that principle, you had another story about working for a state. Was it a state senator or a national senator and, and the Boy Scouts. I'd love to hear that. Oh yeah. I worked for Al Simpson, who was the, the Republican senator from Wyoming. Wyoming, yeah. Love that guy. He, you know, he had a funny personality. He loved jokes. He had a mouth, you know, he just recently died and we all just remember reminiscing about him. But when he was a kid growing up in Cody, Wyoming, it was when they, the United States had encouraged Japanese people from the coasts inland, and his scout troop included some of those Japanese boys that were in the internment camp in Wyoming. And one of his friends was a kid named Norman. And Norman grew up to be Norm Manetta, who was the Democrat. Representative in California and Al was from Wyoming and they remained fast friends their whole life. Totally different parts of the spectrum. But they, their friendship wasn't on the line. They could disagree politically and, you know, they could joust and, and have a very robust discussion, but deep down their friendship was never on the line. And I, I appreciate that idea that I can disagree with you 75% of the time, but we can still be friends and I think we need more of that. Oh, and to cultivate more of that in our relationship. Couldn't agree more. You know, the days of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill, What happened to that? I love that story. I'll be checking that out, and that will be giving me oxytocin tonight before I go to bed. Um, you know, you, you talk about the divisiveness, uh, politically, and I am of the belief that if you're a person that's gonna spend time watching Fox News, you better turn on M-S-N-B-C just to see what the other thoughts are on that. Or even better, don't watch any of it. Just, you know, and, and sadly. There isn't an outlet that delivers the news just as the news. Everything has to have a political angle to it, and I think that it's the most toxic thing that we as a, a world are experiencing right now. And the fact that our algorithms are being manipulated by the people at Yeah. At Google, we're put on our own bubbles and just fed our own, uh, yeah. Bs. Yeah. Um, okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna change the, the mood here for a second. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make, make us cry. No, no. Okay. I want to ask you, Sharon, what, you're in Utah. What do you do for fun? What's, what's, what's in your life that you do, uh, for joy and for excitement? And what do you do? Great. Great question, Steve. Well, thanks for asking me that, because our slogan in the state is Greatest Snow on Earth, so we ah, just don't have any right now. This year we're praying for snow, but for me to get up in the, in our mountains and snowshoe and ski those of us, that's my stress release. Cool. It's just pristine and beautiful and I feel lucky to live in a place like that. Yeah. You ever been to Deer Valley? Deer Valley lots of times. Oh my gosh. You ever ski Deer Valley? Steve? Never Deer Valley, but I've been to Ulta, Utah, but Okay. Deer Valley is my kind of skiing. Yeah, it's very posh. The, the, the, uh, the the runs are, are constantly being groomed. Like you, you feel like you're constantly. It just feels rife. It's one those valley, like you're skiing, but you're really on a, you're just on a SS, it's like a spa. It's a scenic adventure. You're just sliding down the viewing this beautiful mountain. It's lovely. Yeah. And you're gonna pay for it too. Yeah, exactly. That's for sure. Um, did you grow up in Utah? I'm originally from Redding, California, north Way, Northern California. Wow. But I've spent my adult life in, in Utah. Okay. Can we ask, do you have a family? Do you have children? I'm single. Okay. But I have 16 nieces and nephews that live all around the country. That counts. That counts. Everybody loves to have a favorite aunt. Yeah. 16. That's a lot too. Well, I told you before I owned a toy store and that really made me the favorite aunt. Oh, okay. So what was the name of that? It was called Little Dickens. I love it. Have a lot of fun, especially in the spirit of, uh, Christmas here. Okay, so Christmas is coming. Yeah. And I, uh, my wife and I do not have any grandchildren yet, but we have friends with grandchildren and we are very jealous. Uh, we often will go to their house and we will announce that there's about to be an Amber alert. Um, that's kind of a crass cress joke. No, you don't do that whatsoever. Yes, we do. Why? We don't actually kidnap the children. Well, no, but I have been put in charge of tomorrow. I have to go and buy some gifts for, uh, a couple of two year olds and a couple of, uh, three year olds, so somebody Oh, that's easy. They're young. As an owner, I am asking an expert. Yes, yes. She owned a toy store. Yes. Ask her, what kind of gifts do you get to and three year olds. It's been 20 years since I had to buy that stuff for my own children. Yeah. I'll tell you two things that I think will appeal to those kind kids. See, she's a pro. Let's hear it. Two year olds love those plastic animals, uh, that you can make. And if you buy them in family groups that there's a father and mother and, and, and baby animals, they will play with that thing for hours on end. Yeah. They'll set'em up, they'll do lines, they'll do family groups. They'll make up stories. Wow. It's what? She's good. Yeah. That's And what about the 3-year-old? Same material. I would get something like a stomp rocket. It's got a A that you jump on and it shoots the thing up. Go, yeah. As God is my witness. Sharon. Sharon, I'm gonna play a video for you guys. You found one last year at Christmas. I have goosebumps from head to toe. Last year at Christmas we got our little friends, the Fergusons, we got the Ferguson boy, a stomp rocket, and their daughter, who's one of the people that I need to buy for. Has discovered the stomp rocket and this week we got a picture of, uh, of her stomping on the stomp rocket. That's awesome. Shocking. And it's physical, it's hours they're involved. Right. That is shocking. Physically involved. Which is I important. So I think, I think like the idea of, you know, the fisher price, little people, you know, they have the little people, animals. I think I've been inspired, so thank you Sharon. There you go. But the stop rocket, when we're done, I'm showing you the video. Alright, good. Fine. Can't wait to see it. Um, well, Sharon. I really appreciate you joining us on The Kindness Chronicles. This is so great. I want people to make sure they know how to go find your books, uh, doing small things with great love. Uh, how can they find that? We'll, we'll, we'll link it. Whatever you send us, we'll link it. But tell us where to find people can find your book. The easiest places on Amazon, you can order it there. It's also on Audible, if you wanna hear me read the book. Uh, and it's also on Shatter Mountain Press. Desiree book. I'm a big audio book. Me too, man. I love it. I can't wait. I'm gonna listen. I love it. Um, and Sharon, as we wrap it up here,'cause I feel like that's where we're going, um, I have to get a movie reference in. And given your toy store was named The Dickens, have you ever seen the movie, the Tender Bar starring George Clooney? No, I haven't. Okay. I think you'll like it. I think you have a background in as an English teacher and it's all about literature and good stories and things like that, but their bar was called The Dickens and it sort of raised the boy, and so check it out for the audience. It's, uh, if it's still on Amazon Prime, it's a worthwhile watch, so. Thank you for the recommendation. Yeah. On behalf of the Kindness Chronicles, I'd like to apologize for Jeff because Jeff, Jeff does far more research. Yes. Like he probably knows what your social security number is. Not that bad. No, it's pretty bad. You know, like his, his history is an English teacher. I mean, where did you find, know that? Well, I, it was a story she shared on a podcast okay. That I caught. And, uh, and Jeff is retired. He doesn't have to go to work in the morning, so this is what he does. Love that. We're we very grateful. We, we love that from Jeff. We love it. He helps us sound like we're professionals, but you are incredibly inspiring and, and all your experiences have led you to this awesome book. We want our listeners to check it out. And, uh, thank you for joining us and thanks for doing what you do. Continue it and maybe we can, uh, connect again and, and have another conversation. Thanks for the kindness and have a very Merry Christmas. Thank you. You too, Mer. Merry Christmas. See that? Merry Christmas. Yeah, we could say that. Who can't? Some people don't. Oh, the music has started. Yeah. Alright. Thank you Sharon. Off we go.