The Kindness Chronicles

Ep. 199 Rob Reiner’s Cinematic Impact

• Kevin Gorg, Steve Brown, John Schwietz, Jeff Hoffmann

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After a couple of “LONG Stories,” we explore the oxytocin-inducing storytelling of the late great Rob Reiner

KCP 199 Rob Reiner Movies

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Very good. Very good.

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Welcome to the Kindness Chronicles, where once again we hope to inject the world with the dose of the Minnesota kindness that it desperately needs. It's raining. Cats and dogs out there. We're building an arc.

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I hope I get on it.

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Two by two. We're back in the uh the studio. We got Michael Dempsey with the special guest appearance. Wow, the once a month. Thank you for sitting in for uh KG.

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Who made the rainy trek over?

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Steve Brown in the house. Hi. Jeff Hoffmine. Hey guys. Hoffmine. Yeah. That's the German term for Jeff Hoffmine. Big weekend. Yeah. We went to a big fundraising event at Hill Murray. They raised over two million dollars.

SPEAKER_05

Holy moly. Yeah.

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Somebody, half of it came from one person.

SPEAKER_03

So cash matching donor. Anonymous donor. Yeah. Would love to know who it was. It was that was something. That was an impressive event, a full-on huge production, which I did not expect. I thought it was going to be a little thing in the cafeteria. Huge production, great, uh, great screens, a whole show of like, you know, the students came up and performed. Oh, cool. Our friend Leno was the host, so he did a great job and set it up and goofed, goofed off, and did a little opening kind of uh kind of a comedy bit talking about himself and his where he's at.

SPEAKER_04

Um, himself from high school and referred to it as all knows. Yeah, yeah. No, Leno's great. I saw Lino in church on Sunday and he looked like he was a little tired. But have you ever he's got the cutest little kid, this little girl? Yeah. Looks like a little Leno.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Just adora her. Yeah, she's adorable. Claire. I I haven't seen her in person, but I've seen her in videos and stuff. She's lovely. That was a fun, fun night. Thank you for inviting my wife and my mom. My mom loved it so much, she brought over some cream cheese bars. Oh, they're so good. Just show her appreciation for you.

SPEAKER_04

We all had one and then I snuck a second one. Yeah. But nobody needs to know that.

SPEAKER_05

But they were delicious, but you're so transparent and honest. What were they raising money for, by the way?

Michael's Volunteer Opportunity

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Essentially, scholarships for kids to go to Hill. Um, yeah, it's it's really a neat program. The school's doing very well. Obviously. Yeah, it's just going great. Enough about Hill Murray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna check some other boxes, you know, St. Thomas box, Hill Murray box, Matamidai box. Okay, and off we go. Um we uh Michael, you have been uh busy volunteering at a grade school. Oh my goodness. Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I love you, you I'm all about the service in being in the service. You're real service. I'm a real service-oriented guy. Um you know, I I as I'm you know moving through the career.

SPEAKER_04

You ever hear somebody say oriented? I hate when people say oriented.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, oriented. Not in like that. It's in your book right there. It is in the book. Thank you. Oh, you said oriented.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I was gonna say, I would never say oriented potato. No, we'd have to ask you to leave it. Sounded just right. Sorry, I just I'm gonna sit my espresso right now. That's right. Thanks. That's so delicious. Um, I you know, growing up, I was good at one thing, and that was gym class. That was it. Not math, not spelling, and wasn't really good um at science. But boy, get me in a gym class and I'm gonna give a hundred dollars.

SPEAKER_03

What was your favorite thing you guys did in gym class?

SPEAKER_05

Well, I listen, um, everyone else was um uh in the spelling beat. I I like the presidential physical fitness tests. You know, because not me. Because you got you you would get a patch at the end. And if you if you got like multiple years, they would would be there would be a two on there or a three. Some cred. Right? That was it. That's all I had. Uh gym class and recess. That was all. And my senior year in high school, because I'm such an overachiever, I had multiple study halls, but I didn't have really anything to study. So I went to the ninth grade gym teacher and said, Can I just come to gym class? I and and he was like, sure. And so, like my senior year, gym class all the time. Were you like a almost like a PA? Would you help out or something? No, I just wanted to play. Oh, okay. I just wanted to I just wanted to play kickball or dodgeball. So I I I just I I love gym class, but I just love uh and then getting older, I was always a bit of a games maker with all the kids in the neighborhood.

SPEAKER_03

And your and your family stuff, you have lots of competitions. Oh, lots of yeah. Football, Christmas football, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, just you know, just you know, I'm always handicapping so everyone's got a shot, right? I just love that stuff. So I had this idea. I said, I I'm gonna volunteer at a grade school, but I only want to volunteer in gym class. Is that even a thing? And there's a grade school not far from my house, and the gym teacher was the head soccer coach for my daughter's, so I knew her really well.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, so I so knew that you weren't like a creative exactly a creator. I want to come to the school.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, can I just come by? And I only want to come to your class.

SPEAKER_01

You got a sweatshirt that just says school on it. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_05

That's right. Sports, that's right. So in January, I sent her a text and I said, Hey, let's meet, because we had been joking about this, and I sat down and got to go in her office, and she said, Well, what do you want to do? And I said, Well, I want to volunteer at the school, but I have a couple of criteria. It can only be for you and only for gym class. Like, I don't want to be reading with the kids or in the cafeteria. I just want to be in gym class.

SPEAKER_04

All kidding aside, did you have to go through like a background check and stuff like that? Yeah. So I was sure.

SPEAKER_05

So I so I want to get to that, right? So I I the principal at this school actually, Michelle was on the hiring board to hire this principal, like a circa, that's my wife, 2002. So we know there. You're in bed. Yeah, he's still there. I mean, we she was president of the PTO for like his first five years at three different schools. We we know a lot of the people. There are kids that have just been out of school for a long time, right?

SPEAKER_04

What school? Just curious.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it was it's Center View, it's in the Spring Lake Park uh school district, and it's right on the campus of the uh National Sports Center. So they put it where the velodrome, the wood velodrome used to be. Anyway, so I go there, I sit down, and I I said, I I just want to do gym class, and I just want to do it for you. And you know, I'll do I'll pick up jump ropes, right? If you need me to wrangle kids in the corner, right, whatever you want it to be. And she said, You'd name it, whatever you want to do. And so I looked at my schedule and I said, Listen, we'll start spring trimester every Wednesday over my lunch hour. I'll be here. Sweet. And I said, Do I do I need to do a background check? Sure, I I think you're good. And so every every Wednesday. Well, I don't know about that. I know I gotta check in. I gotta check in. I go and let me tell you something, it's a different class. Like sometimes it's third grade, sometimes it's fourth grade. And I I I just leave there so I and I just play with these kids, right? I mean, it's just like it's dominate them like when you're playing. Okay, oh yeah. Oh, there's no I mean, there's no there's no mercy. But you like kids are shooting hoops and you're just rejecting them. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're probably I'm not a tall guy. Third grade, they're rejecting me by that point. We're the same height. That's unfortunate. But these kids are. What are they giving us? The innocence of these kids. These these kids, they uh uh uh they have a uh jump rope section and they gotta do 10 spins, you know, and then they get to move up to the next level, and just the how elated they are when they get to the sort of 30, you know, jumps and the goals. And you know, there's these two kids. I remember this uh one situation where you had to pair off, and one kid said, uh, Mrs. So and so. Uh actually it's Mrs. I'm gonna say her name, Mrs. Doherty. She lives in White Bear Lake, she's a White Bear Lake, right? Long story. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going. Extra long story. So so this kid says, uh uh Mrs. Doherty, I I I don't have a partner. And she said, Oh no, you do, it's it's Betty. I don't know what the name is. This kid's name was Mark, and you just saw this kid light up, this little boy light up, and Betty didn't have a partner, and she lit up, and it was almost like they held hands and ran over to kind of do their paired thing. And I just think as kids get older, and this will feed into you know where we're gonna go next, but as kids get older, they get so much more jaded and worried and you know, in their heads. Yeah, but at third grade, it's you haven't hit that yet. Yes, and to see that, see those two like connect eyes and go, oh good, I got a partner. Like let's run off and do this. Like formidable, formidable moments of youngness. In in my head, like that's yeah, I volunteer in gym class, but I volunteer to get that oxytocin to see that's very nice, you know, among the kids. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. So I've started doing that probably a couple of months in, once a week, and unless I'm traveling or out of town, and it's uh it's amazing.

SPEAKER_03

That's that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04

So let's can we talk about that Presidential Fitness Award thing? Okay, so not very athletic, um, but the Minnesotan was selling uh what do you call winter caps?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, the T the store.

SPEAKER_04

And it has the patch for the Presidential Fitness Award. Isn't it like an eagle on the hands or something? No, well, it looks like a pre- it looks like yeah, it looks like the president seal. Right. I don't remember that. Right. So I bought one. Yeah, so you ever ever had that? First time I was ever able to. I'm gonna wear it for the next show. And I remember showing up at uh our friend Pat Fabian had a hockey function at his house on the lake up in Wisconsin, and I wore that hat, and Pat Fabian looked at me and he's like, There's no way. There is no way you earn it.

SPEAKER_01

That reminds me of a story I have a friend named Tom Bance, really good athlete, great basketball player in high school, and he was telling me the story of his two children, and I think one's name is Landon, but I think the older one threw threw some of his trophies away, and the younger brother who didn't earn the trophies, those are nice trophies and pulled them out and put them up in his thing. And Tom's like, that you didn't earn those. Where what are you doing? Oh, that's and it was just so funny.

SPEAKER_05

The bling. I I just want to I just want to make one last statement about this, and that is this. Uh, the moral of me telling this story is if you're passionate about something and you think it's just sort of the weirdest thing, but you can find a way to serve the community around that, just take a chance. Just like figure it out. I mean, nobody in their right mind that I know of is volunteering in gym class at grade schools.

SPEAKER_04

Well, my problem is I get all sweaty. Oh, I do. Lunchtime, yeah. You know, yeah, yeah, I do. But it doesn't so you're skipping your lunch to do this. I know it. I know it. I know it. Yeah, I know it.

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Before we get off sports completely, can I just make a little comment?

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This is great.

SPEAKER_03

I make a comment uh last week before I got here. Uh you guys, you gentlemen had a sports talk last couple of shows because KG's been on. Yeah. You guys go over you know the wild, you go over what's going on. He made a comment I want to clarify. He goes, Yeah, I understand. You said you know, Steve doesn't really get into that. And he goes, Yeah, he's probably a little intimidated. He did not say that. I am not intimidated. I I love that you guys say I love how he's passionate about it, and you guys are love it. I just don't have the knowledge you guys have. Right. I don't I I love to watch a good game. I watch The Wild, I watch the the Timberwolves, but I don't know all the details of stuff like you guys. So I gloss over. Not that I I'm intimidated.

SPEAKER_04

That was the wrong term. You're not intimidated. You're tough. You're tough.

SPEAKER_03

I just I took a little uh I took a little bit notice hey KG, I'm not intimidated.

Life Lessons of Rob Reiner Films

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It's all fun. I wanted to clarify. You know, on behalf of the Kevin Gorgs of the world, we apologize for no apology needed. I just want to clarify for myself. What are we doing today? Uh you know what? We've been talking about doing this for a while. Yeah. And because we have nothing better to do tonight, what we decided that we would do is let's do a an ode to Rob Reiner and the life lessons of kindness and things that we learned from those Rob Reiner films. Yeah. You know, when you look at the the full spectrum of the different films that he did, he did all different kinds of genres from is that how you say that? Genres? Genres, genres, genres. It's like from comedy to rom-coms to horror. Horror films to courtroom drama, maybe the greatest courtroom drama film of all time. Oh, but there's every one of those movies, when you watch it, there is a lesson to be learned.

SPEAKER_03

I guess most movies have that, but there's something Yeah, but he does it in a way that you just it you take it to heart and you feel it. It's not you don't feel like you're being spoken to or you know, you know, told what to believe, what to feel. He does a good job. This is a long overdue conversation. Rob Ryan, we lost him way too soon and such a long time ago. But this has been on our docket. So I love it. I love that Jeff kind of kickstarted this thing.

SPEAKER_04

And Jeff did, you know, as Jeff does, he put together a uh sort of a program.

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A retrospective.

The Sure Thing

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A what, Jeff? A little outline. An outline, that's the word. And um he's kind of broken the different movies into different categories. So we're gonna discuss these movies. Um, the first one is uh kindness as connection and the importance of connection. And one of those movies that um I saw one time probably 40 years ago was the sure thing. I think it might have been one of his first movies.

SPEAKER_01

I think I think it was right after spinal tap. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Very different from Spinal Tap, but uh, you know, your kind of your stereotypical, you know, rom-com teen, coming of age kind of movies, right?

SPEAKER_03

He's a college guy. He's not a teen, I guess. He's uh John Cusick is a college guy.

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But you know what I took from that that that film, and here's if you're watching us on YouTube, you know, John Cusick before he went nuts with uh the political stuff, and is that Daphne Zuniga from uh Melrose Place? Oh wow, yeah, good for the Maryland. I was a Melrose place guy. Good for you guys.

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We've we've established that a while ago.

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But you know, the the the kind of the seeing and accepting others as they are. Yeah, you know, this uh the John Cusack character was sort of a kind of a nerdy guy, and they were going out to California because they road trip together. Yeah, his buddy said it's a sure thing out here. You're gonna find your girl. Right.

SPEAKER_01

It mirrors Harry met Sally so much, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04

Very similar trip.

SPEAKER_01

And just the the two the two opposites and how they learn to love each other over the the track, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Their travel was really their um But here's what it did for romance.

SPEAKER_04

Back when I saw it for the first time, was it like 84 or 85? Yes, I thought, you know what? Nerdy guys, they got a chance. Yeah, they got a chance with the good-looking gals. That's right. That gave us hope. It gave you it gave you hope. It did. And you don't have to be like Ducky from Pretty in Pink.

SPEAKER_01

You know, he just wandered over with his personality and he was fun.

SPEAKER_05

And yeah, I played I I two things on that movie. Um, his buddy out in California is Dr. Green from ER, which is you know, really. Anthony Edwards, yeah, really with hair, with hair. And uh that that was his buddy. But uh the other thing I I want to call out, I I love those movies where you know, over Harry Messali was the same, right? Over time, you see this sort of relationship just fuse, just get it that you don't just jump right into it, you you sort of earn it along the way, and I I think that's fun to go on that ride. But one thing I will point out about that era of movie, there were so many of those movies about losing your virginity. Yeah, like so many of them like in highness crime. I'm just saying, no, like high school movies, like that was a a major theme, and so he wanted to get out to California because that was the sure thing. It's just interesting. You don't see that as much anymore.

SPEAKER_03

Michael, I was just thinking the same thing. Right before this movie came out, the era was uh the the big party in in Fort Lauderdale Lauderdale spring break movies and stuff. Right, and TV was yeah, kind of the kind of junk teen movies, just like porkies, yes, all that kind of stuff. But this one is playing on that with that as the backdrop, yeah, but it creates a way better that that's the backdrop of he wants to get out to where the fun is, right? But it's this discovery through that process.

SPEAKER_01

It looked like a sex quest for the the weird, but then it became this great way better learning about instead of objectifying her, they really learned that right, right.

SPEAKER_04

Didn't it seem like we lived like when we were that age, when we were 15, 16, 17, that era of movies from Pretty in Pink to The Breakfast Club to 16 Candles to this movie that we're talking about here. Did do they make movies like that anymore?

SPEAKER_03

They used to be geared towards teenagers, and now they they just aren't as much.

SPEAKER_01

It seems like Hollywood is meant for Marvel now.

SPEAKER_03

Kids' movies are huge, and uh, and then there's like you know, jump out scare horror movies for teen and twenty somethings, and right and then there's you know A24 movies.

SPEAKER_04

I just feel that's why people from our generation are better than the people of the battery?

SPEAKER_05

No, but but but uh fast times at Ridgemont High, you know, all of that was was very it was high school, it was stick it to the soundtrack from those from those movies.

Spinal Tap

SPEAKER_04

They don't have good soundtracks anymore. No, there's no soundtracks, I don't like it. And then how about how about uh Spinal Tap? This is Spinal Tap, one of the greatest, funniest movies of all time.

SPEAKER_03

So good. We've mentioned it before. I I don't know how it connects with kindness, except it's really self-effacing and making We're a little off topic.

SPEAKER_01

There's a little subtitle under the thing, seeing and accepting others as they are. And the play on that is Rob, you know, was the documentary and filmmaker, and as goofy as those guys were and idiotic, and he never pointed it out and said, Well, this is screwed up. He just let them be who they were.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so yeah, they they basically uh yeah, they're supposed to be cool rock stars, but they really you see how kind of pathetic they are and silly, and just like even you know, so much ego and so ridiculous. Is there a favorite scene you have? I like so many uh so many scenes. I could kind of walk you through every great scene in the movie, but the the shot you had right there, that's Marty DeBergie, that's Rob Reiner talking with Nigel Tuffnell was his name. He's a lead guitar player, and he is based based on uh Jeff Beck slightly. He kind of looks like Jeff Beck. Okay, he does. Um not that Jeff Beck is a dope or or was a dope, he's he's deceased, yeah. Anyway, um the scene where he's looking at guitars, and that I I've seen a documentary about all the guitars in that room that was uh brought by a certain guitar shop in Los Angeles, and so he's provided all kinds of great guitars and movies. But that scene where he's looking at guitars and he goes, Well, he's giving him a tour, and he goes, Well, this one, uh you know, he goes, This stuff got a little still got the tag on it. He goes, Well, let me look at that. He goes, No, don't even look at it. He wouldn't let him touch it. He wouldn't touch anything Christine and then I look at it, he's like, No, no, don't you?

SPEAKER_01

How Nigel was holding the guitars, he just super gently like that's how collectors do it. It's so funny. And he's like, look at this flame, look at this fire on the front.

SPEAKER_03

It's just you can go out, you can go out, have a go sandwiching, just let it go. It's just a stein, it's just stein's so all those little moments right there in the movie, and then I think right here they're talking about the the amp, which is the classic, you know, this goes to 11. 21. And Marty DeBerg is like, well, why don't you just make 10 louder? And he doesn't understand.

SPEAKER_00

Like, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That to me was like I saw this movie in the theater. I told you guys this before. In 1984, me and my friend went, we're 14 years old, and we're like, we we knew it was about rock and roll, we loved heavy metal music, and we're like, we walked up with a we kind of laughed, like that was kind of funny. We didn't know it was a comedy, like, yeah, you didn't know it was a mockumentary, we didn't know, we were just loving every bit of it, all the guitars, and anyway, it's a classic, and I don't know how it has to do with kindness except for maybe uh self-realization.

SPEAKER_05

Let me let me let me uh go to the kindness piece because Rob Reiner of obviously was meathead in all of the family for many years, and he provided such depth to that character. Totally, so great. Um, the role that he played. Well, All in the Family ends, and it's a long time between All in the Family and Spinal Tap. So, from a kindness perspective, somebody had to say, uh, you're meat head, but I'm gonna give you a chance with this documentary. Someone had to show some kindness and grace.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, did he play Rob Reiner in the was he playing?

SPEAKER_03

No, he's playing Marty DeBergie.

SPEAKER_05

He's a filmmaker, yeah. But but but he but it's his movie.

SPEAKER_03

Hollywood gave him that movie. How why did they do that?

SPEAKER_01

I sure Norman Lear probably was uh produced it or something and gave him that chance.

SPEAKER_05

But but that was a that's a long window between Meathead and Spinal Tap, and somebody had to demonstrate some kindness and grace to say, True, well, I think you could I think you can pull it off.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And they gave him the chance.

SPEAKER_04

Before moving on, you bring up All in the Family, and All in the Family to me was so genius because it took on it addressed these complex social issues with humor and sincerity. Like really no, no television show since I you know, people say. That couldn't be made anymore anymore. I think it needs to be made right now because you know it it addresses things with humor, and it's just we live in a world that doesn't accept humor anymore. It's like everybody is so wanting to be I don't know, offended by by things, and it's just you know it's such a uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

The comedy the comedy is what allowed the conversation to flow correctly. You're right. And and now everybody's so worried about staying on their side and and and being divisive that they they don't even want to laugh at it.

SPEAKER_03

And it was a two-generation show. That's why you get people watched it because they loved Archie, even though he was kind of a current, but that was kind of their generation with older people, and then you got you know uh Meathead. Meathead and his wife, and they're older and or they're younger, they're the more the hippie generation.

Stand By Me

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. And then there's but but I think this plays through if we go on to next the next sort of sh chunk of movies. What the what plays through is even if you go to Meathead and then you go to Spinal Tap and and you go to what what was the road trip movie? Um right, so uh it looks like you know the the show's a a sitcom on the surface. You're like, oh, it's a sitcom, or Spinal Tap is just a rock movie, or Sure Thing is just a coming of age movie. All of his movies on the surface look like, oh, I've seen that before. Right, yeah. And then you watch them and there's such depths fingerprint on them. Yes, such depth, and around the idea of kindness, you're like, oh my goodness, I'm I'm emoting, I'm having this feeling about it that I didn't expect to have, which is great transition into the second chunk of movies that you put up.

SPEAKER_04

And the second chunk, you know, we've got it here is uh kindness as loyalty and love. And the two movies that really sort of embody that are Stand By Me and The Princess Bride.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04

Also a couple of just incredibly well done films.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Stand by me was based on a Stephen King, I think, novel called The Body. And uh I I've never read it, but I just saw that in the credits. I remember watching it, and um they're looking for this kid that got it hit by a train or something happened, but that's the journey.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and all about friendship in the late fifties, and you know, the fact that they had Richard Dreyfus doing the narration. Right. You know, it just warm and warm. Yeah, I mean, I honest to God, we live during the greatest era of movies of all time.

SPEAKER_05

Well, what's interesting about you're talking about stand by me, and I agree as well, but the tie back to uh you'll shoot your eye out and the discussion about a Christmas story, just the innocence and magic of that age, the innocence of magic of you know, a young boy between sort of nine and twelve, and how you let yourself sort of experience different things in different person. You walk in as the tough guy, or you walk in the and you watch Stand By Me and you and you know that these relations are cemented uh for life, and then you contrast that with the older brothers that are competing to find the body, yeah, and and their jaded sort of look at life, and you see this innocence and pure. It's it's it's great. It's just like it's just like the guy in um the Christmas story, the kid in Christmas story, right? The purity of that.

SPEAKER_03

He he said uh in the final voiceover, he said, I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was 12.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, that was great. And those four actors, you know, that they their their careers have gone different places. Obviously, River Phoenix was uh died of the drug overvo overdose, but yeah, Corey Will Wheaton, Corey Feldman, who's you know, he's a different cat. Yeah, he's absolutely Jerry O'Connell, who's kind of a chubby guy in this uh, you know, he's he's now married, I think, to r uh Rebecca Romain. He he's still a very stressful actor.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that was a great movie. Yeah, something about a king, it really remembered. And I wasn't, you know, we weren't that when I saw this, I was a teenager. I was like, I wasn't I was older than this. I was like, ah, but yeah, what it what it did about you know nailing down your your childhood reminiscent of your childhood friendships when you're just cruising around without you know without parents and you're just riding bikes and all day and you probably shouldn't be where you should be, where you're not looking for a dead body, but uh but what you but but here but here's the other thing about this movie is the how you for the first time are seeing outside of your four walls your house.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, right, and you are being exposed to your buddy Larry, and what's coming out is how Larry exists in his four walls, and it's completely different. It's not very good. You're you're finally sort of opening your eyes to something beyond you. I it reminds me of a story I actually heard on This American Life. This guy was talking about I was 10 or 11, and I made friends with this guy, and I went to his house after school to get snacks, and I opened the fridge, and he said, and there was beer in that fridge, and I'd never seen beer in a fridge. And I thought, are these guys, you know, special agents? Like he had never seen beer in a fridge, but just imagine that. I mean, if you're nine and that's all you knew, it's the same as the in the movie.

SPEAKER_03

Or just something about getting on your bike when you're younger. Like it changes your life when you can explore and push further than you were. You're out of your yard, like, wow, look at us. Which I ride my own.

SPEAKER_04

I was at the uh the Freedom in Matamidi on I think it was Sunday, it was Sunday after church. A gas station? Is that a gas station? It's a gas station. And there were these two little guys, they had to have been 10 years old, and they were riding their bikes. Yeah, and they they each had two bottles of squirt and a whole bunch of candy. Yeah. And they went up to the they went up to the counter. I was trying to get to uh a car wash, and we couldn't figure out how to do that. But this one, the one kid pulls out his wallet and he pulls out a$20 bill, and I'm like, well, somebody's loaded, and he looked at me and goes, birthday money.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's so great.

SPEAKER_04

These kids were so polite and so sweet, and just so just it just gave me hope. And then they pedaled off on their bikes. The guy had the bag of candy hanging off of one of the the the handlebars.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they're looking for a dead body.

Princess Bride

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's probably hopefully. Hopefully. How about Princess Bride? One of my favorite movies of all time.

SPEAKER_03

It has been a staple at my house since my kids were little, and even when the uh their cousins came over, I knew I could put that movie in. Everybody loved it, and they didn't they're they're like young or old. Everybody loved it.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I saw that in the theater as well. So good. Yeah. Inconceivable.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't even know about it until college, and someone put it in, and it was a great yeah film, but it was one of those that just I missed in the theater. It's just a surprise, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Surprise depth of like comedy and you know, message and feeling and vibe, and the the romance of just the the the you know Fonboy, you know, how he's just like dedicated to her and Anigo Montoya, which is something that this is funny. We introduce, you know, on on stage, the band would I'll introduce everybody, and I'll do you probably saw this before, Michael. This is an old thing. We would interrupt everybody and people clap, and then I would say, My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die, and then we go into this like Hispanic, like Spanish music. People love that. I never said my name, I just said my name is Inigo Montoya. I love the movie, and I love Mandy Petenkin in that movie. And the You keep using that word.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I do not think it means what you think it means. Greatest. Are the giants amazing in it? Oh, the whole the whole thing is just fantastic.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, what's the kindness? This this uh is the actor that uh Mandy Petenkin. Yeah, exactly. And he and I don't know if it's gonna work here with the internet. We've got slow internet. We got slow internet. We just uh ended up seeing the the scene like later on. He played the the character when he was 30, and then 20 years later he saw the scene, and he thought this is my second favorite line, and I it escaped me when I was 30, but the line was I've been in the revenge business so long, I I can't I don't know what to do with my life. And it was sort of a great life lesson of don't wor focus so much on revenge and yeah, what a great line.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I I I think that's just another example of you. You think you're going into see this sort of slapstick kind of comedy, sort of pharcical sort of scenario. But if you actually watch it, I mean there's a richness to all of the relationships, there's a depth to all the relationships, you know, wrapped in kind of the silliness, but yeah, it's just so charming. Yeah, just so charming.

SPEAKER_03

And it goes back to it's it's really a um a grandpa reading a book to his grandson, yeah, which is even more heartwarming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Remember when Fred Savage was on the uh KQ morning show?

SPEAKER_01

No, the Chucker interviewing Fred Savage. Was it a talk with talk or was it a chucker?

Harry Met Sally

SPEAKER_04

It was the Chucker on Power92. What was he doing? What was he power? He kept on he kept on pre like uh confusing him with Doogie Hauser. Oh god, it was so good. Go to YouTube, look that one up, again. Okay, now we gotta move to quite literally. My wife and I, it's our favorite movie when Harry met Sally. She and I were, you know, we dated, then we became friends, and then my wife or my mother said, you know, why don't you two date each other? We kind of looked at each other like, I don't think so. Really?

SPEAKER_03

This is after you worked together for a long time?

SPEAKER_04

We worked for worked together at Target and we just yeah, we, you know, and 30 years later, look at it. Oh, that's awesome. I didn't know that. Started working at Target in 1990. Okay. Uh, because we graduated. Uh she graduated on time. I took an extra semester.

SPEAKER_05

Which is common then.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, we we worked at Target together. We uh opened a couple of stores together, okay. Um and just started hanging out and having fun. And you know, she moved to Chicago. You broke her down, and I got really yeah, and then we moved together to North Carolina. Oh wow, yeah, it was lovely. So 86.

SPEAKER_05

90. And it's uh so that's long time that's in 94.

SPEAKER_03

So so the New Year's Eve confession, oh, they say that that's uh choosing love over pride as a as a message point, right? And then uh the aging couples documentary cutaways, love is a long game, is the message there. And uh post-breakup friendship moments showing up even when it's awkward.

SPEAKER_01

So once uh the on the filmmaking aspect, Rob Reiner wanted to make, he wants to make all his films timeless, and so you hear that in the soundtrack, even Stand By Me and and The Sure Assured Things got some cars and Rod Stewart, so it sort of puts it in that era, but he talked about Harry Connick Jr. and the jazz standards as giving it a timeless feel, and I bet that's a good reason why it still stands.

SPEAKER_03

And it and it really romanticizes New York in the fall. That's a big moment, that's a big feel of it. You feel yeah, you feel that fall moment. That's true.

SPEAKER_04

The song It Had to Be You was the first song Becky and I danced to at our wedding. I love it. Did you probably no, and I I looked so stupid dancing, but we liked it because it had to be you, you know. Right. Ours was more like it, I guess it had to be you.

SPEAKER_02

Well, your mom said, Why don't you guys use it? No, it's a great story.

SPEAKER_04

Um and the greatest line in movie history was delivered in the uh cafe.

SPEAKER_05

In the cafe. Oh, that's right. Well, yeah, that's the most memory.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. That's right. And isn't that Rob Reiner's mom? It is, yeah. That's the greatest.

SPEAKER_05

I I I will say this uh uh talking about kindness, and we've talked about this before in that movie. Um, one of the uh very poignant recurring points is that you don't tell the person exactly what they want to hear. There are many points where uh Billy Crystal is saying to her the truth, like the truth about something because they were just friends. Because they were just friends, right? But but and she did the same because they went off and had different relationships, and they were just just you know, honest as the day is long with another with one another. Uh again, something we've talked about nice versus kind, and they're sort of being kind with one another, being truthful, being real.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and what's funny is as Billy Crystal talked about when Rob Reiner pitched this to him. Billy Crystal's like, Me as a leading man in a rom com, are you kidding me? And he killed it. I thought he was perfect, he was very real, right?

SPEAKER_03

Rob Reiner normalizes awkward vulnerability, and I think that's exactly the nails of what you're saying. That was just incidentally truthful and obviously.

SPEAKER_04

In preparation for this, I was watching some Siskel and Ebert reviews of these movies. Oh, really? Yeah, and and uh Ebert. Yeah, he was the bigger guy. The bigger guy. Roger Ebert. He was so bothered by the fact that, or one of them was bothered by the fact that that scene with Meg Ryan in the cafe doing that would never happen in real life. And the other guy's like, it's in a movie. Yeah, it's in a movie. We're ruining it, right? Yeah, it was just it was really, it was one of those moments where the funny, you're an idiot. Yeah, are those guys both dead? Um they are. I think they are, yeah.

Misery

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I watch that show a little bit. You know, that was speaking of our era growing up. What when that was on, I would I would stop and watch Siskel and Ebert. That was part of the fun of uh the this golden age of of movies. Speaking of another movie in that era is misery. This is about we're talking about kindness as honesty and truth, all right, and courage. So I don't know where this goes. Honesty and boundaries. So yeah, um, I didn't I don't remember, I I saw this movie and loved it and was scared by it, but I think where this fits in with the the the honesty is a stretch, yeah. He was uh writing and she wanted the character to I can't even remember the name of the character, but she was frustrated with James. Yeah, the character's name was Misery. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, no, that's a book.

SPEAKER_03

That's the name of the book. No, but no, but that was the name of the character.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yes, yes. That the Paul Sheldon, or is that his name? Paul Sheldon is right. So what's crazy is the scene where she hobbles him. Yeah, that scene right there. It's right. Look at his feet ready to get hit. Do you know what happens in the book? No, and I don't know if I want to know. She cuts off his feet. Okay. She doesn't just break them, she cuts them off.

SPEAKER_03

Well, okay, so that's where the horror lies in for me is not the gore, but what is horrifying is that she's like the super fan, very sweet, but then she turns and she's so I think people people are very scary in that realm when they seem like they're very sweet and then they turn, which is a very Minnesota guy. I know, I know they're nice to your face and they're back.

SPEAKER_05

What's going on at home, Steve?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, what's happening? I'm I'm just fine, but I get scared of characters like that, or or even like even like you you hang with people, and if they get like drinking or something, then like they turn different. Like they get mean. Yeah, like I know, yeah. That happened to me in college. One guy that I knew really well, and and then he got really drunk, and he was like, What'd you say? I'm like, wait, no, uh what you're gonna take a swing at me? What right? I'm I know you, I'm the I'm the band guy. Come on, friends, yeah, friends. Scary that that could that is a scary thing.

SPEAKER_04

She won an Academy Award for this. She's amazing. She did.

SPEAKER_05

She did she did an amazing job. Uh, it's unlikely character, but is so out of um out of the pantheon of his movies, that's the one where you're like, this is not this is the outlier, right? This is the outlier. Meathead did this? That's what I remember saying.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, of Reiner's movies.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, of Reiner's of Reiner's movies. I will I will just make a comment though, because this is based on a Stephen King book. Another one. Standby me was based on a uh Stephen King book. Um he phoned something, he did, and I and also I I I don't did I didn't do all the homework, so there may be other movies that he did that were based on a book, but it's a rare scenario uh where I believe, and I want your opinion, John, because you read the book. The movie is just as good as the book, if not better. Whereas a lot of times you watch a movie and you're like, well, that's crap.

SPEAKER_04

Well, just to set the record straight, I did not read the book. Oh I don't read books.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, okay, forgot.

SPEAKER_04

Um, I read that in I probably saw it on a YouTube video. I I'm not a reader, I'm not a strong reader. It's like the guy in uh I'm not a strong swimmer. Right. Martin Shorty. I love that SNL short. I'm not a strong swimmer.

SPEAKER_03

Um, this is uh the the the one of the points of comment is that this is where quite kindness is fake. Um kindness is fake versus genuine. Yeah, so that's what I was trying to say. But also uh why empathy without boundaries becomes dangerous. Wow.

SPEAKER_04

Princess Bride was a William Goldman book. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

It's just rare that you take a book, you create a film, and the film is better than the yeah, or or even at par. I mean, those are three examples where you watch the these films Stand By Me, Princess Bride, Misery, you're like, oh my goodness, that holds up. That's just as impactful.

A Few Good Men

SPEAKER_03

And he's still going. What's the next one, Jess?

SPEAKER_01

Well, we've got a few good men, and you know, you brought up the horror genre. How could I think of Rob Reiner with that? And I thought the same thing when I realized he wrote A Few Good Men or was a um a part of it. I don't think he wrote it, he collaborated on it, but and directed it. But uh Grim Drama. So he probably won these were probably bucket list items for him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But here's the thing about here's the thread though. Like if you watch a few good men, there's a lot of one-on-one relationships that are developing. The two Marines, yeah, right, uh Tom Cruise and the loyalty to each other. Yeah, Tom Cruise and the and Kevin Bacon. Uh, you know, they they definitely have some sort of relationship. They played baseball against each other and that competitiveness. But they didn't hate each other, right? Uh Tom Cruise and um uh Kiefer Southern. No, who's the who's the loyal more demi more, Demi Moore, and how their relationship evolves over time. So I agree it was a courtroom piece, but more than that, it was how these relationships sort of develop, these, you know, these uh one-on-one relationship develop. And how about the end when those Marines are still convicted?

SPEAKER_04

And private, so when when the one Marine said to the other Marine, we should have been there for five for private Santiago, right? You know, we let him down.

SPEAKER_03

I it that to me is the whole protecting the vulnerable within systems of power. That's one of the kind of elements, and also kindness doesn't avoid confrontation, it demands integrity. Yeah, I demand it.

SPEAKER_04

And and you want me on that wall. Yeah. When you have people that are in positions of power and they're bullies, yeah, there is nothing I mean, that it's it's very difficult to to battle that level of power.

SPEAKER_03

I also as a as a side note, I I really appreciate that it didn't there was never like a romance going on. Right. That was like it didn't need it. And they were smart enough to go, don't do that. Just they're colleagues, and it was just really a lot of tension between everybody, but Noah Wiley is in this movie. Oh, that's right. That's him right there, Noah Wiley. And Tom Cruise looks like he's freaking 18 years old in this movie. Amazing.

SPEAKER_05

He he just got done shooting Risky Business there. No, I'm just kidding. No, that was 10 years. He still looks looks like.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that was like what, 94, 95, somewhere in that area.

SPEAKER_01

Actually, I was 92 this one. Oh, really? Oh, so when was the firm done? Uh 96. No, a couple years later, might have been 94.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but great, great film, great rich characters, personal relationships.

SPEAKER_03

Kevin Pollock is awesome in it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, personal relationships.

SPEAKER_01

Um Lieutenant Weinberg, that was his counterpart.

SPEAKER_03

And a little insight into it's a court drama, but it's a military court drama, which is kind of a new, it was a different way to look at. Oh, I guess they have court as well. It's like their own court. Who's gonna do it? You, yeah, you, Lieutenant Weinberg. Frightening. Yeah, that was.

The Bucket List

SPEAKER_04

Jack did amazing. He was great. Um, another movie, uh, the bucket list. You mentioned bucket list.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

The bucket list with with uh Morgan Freeman. I mean, that was a lovely movie as well.

SPEAKER_01

This is one I have not seen yet. So you'll have to, I'll just listen to the three of you guys.

SPEAKER_03

If I have, it's been a long time and I I remember the gist of it. But tell me what you got out of this one.

SPEAKER_05

So so Jack, so Jack is this sort of corporate healthcare kind of mogul capitalist, right? Um uh cutting costs so that hospitals can make more money, so he can make more money. He ends up in the hospital himself. And then Morgan Freeman, who's uh just a he was a mechanic, he owned a garage for a bit, had a health scare, ended up in the same room with Jack. And the initial sort of meeting was, you know, Jack uh feeling like he was above it all, and uh Morgan Freeman was like, What's going on? And then and then they develop this relationship while they're in that hospital room, and Jack finds out that Morgan has a bucket list, and Jack has buckets of money, and through that relationship, Jack says, Okay, let's go cross some of these things off, and they forge that relationship.

SPEAKER_04

And it's really about more you know, the deep mortality.

SPEAKER_05

Is it sort of like a guy's version of Thelma and Louise?

SPEAKER_01

Is that what you're saying now?

SPEAKER_05

Maybe a little bit. Whether because along the way, along the journey, they're reconciling with their own personal demons and the decisions they've made along the way as they're dealing with their mortality and or they're dealing with the you know their runways getting shorter. And so they start to focus on these things that are really important, nothing.

SPEAKER_03

End of life kindness is what one of the points was. And also why shared laughter uh heals fear, heals fear. So about mortality, your fear that the end is coming, they go out and just lived it up.

SPEAKER_05

But but the thing I'll say about this movie is um what you see demonstrated a lot is um people neither of these guys takes immediate offense to one another, they give each other grace, allowing there to be an opportunity to develop a relationship. Because uh Jack in this movie is a hardcore capitalist that's just trying to make a lot of money, and he says a lot of things that are really offensive, and he's very brisk and abrupt. And so Morgan Freeman could take offense to that and just shut down, but he doesn't. He gives uh uh Jack some time to open up and and and Jack the same with Morgan Freeman, and so the the idea here is that give people some dang grace every now and again. Yeah, give them a little bit, and you will might be shocked at what's under the surface and what's then made available to you. Sounds like they met on the level, as John likes to say.

SPEAKER_04

And and what you know, I think that the the the theme of this podcast this week is these movies. If you're looking for an opportunity to get some oxytocin moving, every one of these movies, you know, kind of maybe not misery so much. That one's a little still good though. It's great, it's great, right? But you know, the the movies that are coming out right now are either remakes or they're garbage. I mean, there's just not a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03

You gotta dig there's so much, there's so much content, there's a lot out there. You can't brush it with bad stuff. I'm gonna though.

SPEAKER_04

Old guy's gonna back in the 80s.

SPEAKER_03

There's there's a lot of stuff out there, it's almost too much. You can't you can't decipher what's good, but there's good stuff out there that has good messages. But I will say kind of what you're saying, uh Michael, is that thank you. Um Rob Reiner picked all this stuff. Yeah, these are written and put together by other people, but there's a continuity about that feel for all these movies. Even Misery, I think, has some of that, but that's the brilliance of Rob Reiner is that he you could you could have a great script and make a terrible movie. He kept it all together and he funneled that message and got it out there.

SPEAKER_04

He did have good material to work with. He did. You know, Aaron Sorkin was the guy that wrote uh Few Good Men. Few Good Men and The American President and Aaron Sorkin. You know, the American President was also a Rob Reiner movie. Yeah. With uh Michael Douglas and Annette Benning. Yep. And you know, that was kind of what led to the movie or the TV series The West Wing.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_04

You know, and Sorkin also I think wrote uh uh what's the movie about Facebook? Social network? Oh yes, he did. Yeah, another fantastic movie.

SPEAKER_03

Sorkin's very famous for writing a script that you have to follow his script exactly. You don't mess off the words, you have to stay with it. He seems like he might be losing. That's what that's a little precious.

SPEAKER_05

I I I think the the the one thing I'll also say to kind of put a bow on this is um that Rob Reiner did that we can't lose sight of, and because we are uh many people are let's use humor, right? Rob Reiner uses humor to sort of break everybody down, put everybody in the level, disarm, right? Yep. He uses humor to do that in a brilliant way, makes everything open, and then he hits you with the the hearts. With the with the heart stuff, but man, he's brilliant at using that humor like uh nobody else besides misery. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But that's how he grew up. Look at who his dad was, and who he's hit all his friends were the funniest people in comedy 50s, 60s, and 70s. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Is Mel Brooks still around? He's got to be a hundred years old.

SPEAKER_03

He is still around. I think he is. Asking the wrong guy.

SPEAKER_01

Carl, Carl. Carl Reiner just passed. They not long ago. But the two of them, I guess, Carl Reiner and um uh Mel Brooks visited every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Well, thanks for uh can I just say before we end, like thanks for inviting me into this particular uh podcast episode.

SPEAKER_04

Well, we knew you'd be good at this one. Great to hear have you. No, I mean, just you know, you're a pop culture guy. You you know, this is to to me, this is a great topic for our show. Yeah, it's it's it I think we got to do more talkers, things that people you know. In fact, I I would like to conclude this episode with a quiz. And I stole this from another podcast that I listened to today, but I want to ask you guys um Wall Street Journal did a survey of what do you think that the top uh inventions in the history of the United States that were invented in the United States let's just throw some ideas up? Top inventions. Well, the Wright brothers with the right plane uh I would say telephone for the car. Let me tell you. So this was uh I'm just gonna find this here.

SPEAKER_03

You're gonna quiz us or you're gonna tell us.

SPEAKER_04

No, I'm you're guessing. So the telephone was number seven.

SPEAKER_03

Airplane?

SPEAKER_04

Airplane was number. Where the hell is it on here? It's on here. Oh, number five. Refrigerator. Great guess. Refrigerator is number nine.

SPEAKER_03

Personal computer?

SPEAKER_04

The PC is number four.

SPEAKER_05

Wow. Microwave? Nope. Okay, automobile.

SPEAKER_04

Automobile. Uh, the model T Ford was number 12. Where's the telegraph on there? Not on here. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Gosh, what other uh film, movie?

SPEAKER_04

Nope.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, television, TV, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Television is number 14.

SPEAKER_05

Tupperware.

SPEAKER_04

Tupperware is number uh seven. No. I thought for sure. Number one, yeah, the internet.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I know. Right. Number two, light bulb. Number three, I never would have guessed because I don't even really even know what it is. Integrated circuitry.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, that's what runs your computers, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Microchips, yeah. PC, the airplane, ACDC power.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04

The telephone, the smartphone, refrigeration, nuclear power, the polio vaccine, uh, GPS. Do you know who invented GPS? I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Who? Um uh don't be alive. No, it's a it's a a movie actress.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, it was uh it was the military, it was the Pentagon.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, I'm gonna return with the story.

SPEAKER_04

It was a movie actress that worked for the Pentagon.

SPEAKER_03

Um, they got it from her. She started the process. Um what? Yes. Wow, look it up. Hold on, hold on. No, that's good. You don't have to look it up. No, it's like head of Harper or something. Head of Harper. Shirley Temple.

SPEAKER_05

We know, GPS.

SPEAKER_04

Television, AI, fiber optics. Didn't work for us today. We got this new fiber optic thing, whatever. Uh, the automobile assembly line, email, air conditioning, yeah. Uh, lasers, oh, lasers, chemotherapy, that's exactly the lasers. Um, the commercial steamboat.

SPEAKER_05

Oh.

SPEAKER_04

And then uh number 25, the birth control pill.

SPEAKER_05

Interesting. Um, I would say 80% of the greatest inventions that you nailed uh off that list were all intended to get us closer together as human beings. 80%. Oh, yeah. Think about that. 80%. The telephone, the light bulb, air conditioning, right? Um all of it lended to the possibility that we could connect and be connected um longer in a more significant way. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the they were talking about the biggest mistake that was ever made was uh air conditioning because in Washington, D.C., everybody used to go home for the summer because it was so sweltering and they made bad decisions. You know, you got to give yourself a break from all the bad decisions that are made in DC. Anyway, I just thought that was fun.

SPEAKER_03

That's fun. That is good.

SPEAKER_04

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_03

Um, I'm I'm uh I'm mistaken. It wasn't head of Harper, and that was a different thing, but I'll I'll Head of Harper. What is he? I'll get a report on that.

SPEAKER_01

On the GPS thing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. The GPS was uh developed by the Defense Department, but it was Bradford Parkinson, uh Ava Getting, and Roger Easton. And uh those aren't TikTok says that's what TikTok says. Um, no, I've seen this before, and it's uh uh an African-American woman named Gladys West was a a basis of of that invention. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Here we go. Yeah, that must mean we're done. Well, this has been terrific. Rub Riner. Rub Riner.

SPEAKER_01

Up we go.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_01

Cling that subscribe button. There you go.

SPEAKER_03

Thanks, Michael.