The Kindness Chronicles

Ep. 211 - Keeping Cool When Life Heats Up

Jeff Hoffmann

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You're listening to the number two kindness podcast in the world according to Feedspot

John

That's right. We're number two, no doubt about it. Welcome to The Kindness Chronicles, where here we are once again, hoping to inject the world with a dose of the Minnesota kindness that it desperately needs. It is midsummer. The 4th of July has come and gone. America 250, what a beautiful experience that was. It was real hot

Steve

Yep.

John

And with the heat comes some kindness opportunities. Yeah.

Steve

Yeah

John

And I think that I- it would be fun. ...We have, uh, Steve Brown. Hi, Steve. Hi. Uh, Kevin Gorg is up in Brainerd. He's got a, uh, week up there with, uh, with his special friend and his

Steve

Kevin Gorg exist anymore?

John

any existence- Well, we'll talk about that later. He's,

Steve

we'd love to see him again We'd love to see

John

to see him. yeah, We'd love to see him. We're-

Steve

He's on some big assignments

John

on a lot. Yeah. He's gonna be delivering big for us ...sometime in the future. Jeff, hi. How are you, Jeff Hoffman? How

Jeff

guys? Good to be back

Steve

are you guys? Okay, and, uh, we

John

we are gonna be checking in with our, uh, offsite correspondent. Yeah. He's been out, uh, scouring the Twin Cities

Michael

All over

John

Mr. Dempsey. Welcome.

Michael

Hey, welcome. Welcome to me? Thank you. I'm, I'm so happy to be back. Welcome to me.

Steve

to me. Um,

John

is gonna be one of those kinda clown car... We don't have any special guests.

Steve

No, just, just our contributing,

John

he's special in a different way He's special in quotation marks. A different kind of special. But, um, I just wanna, um, I was in, uh, New Buffalo, Michigan last week.

Jeff

It's sort of like New England, but

John

But not. But, but different. And I learned why it's called New Buffalo. There was a guy by the name of, uh, Major Whittaker who, uh, took his, uh, took a boat from, uh, Buffalo, New York- through the Great Lakes, ended up, uh, spending the winter in New Buffalo. At the time, it wasn't called that, but he decided, "Let's call this New Buffalo," and he never left. Yeah. Uh, and there's, Whittaker is everywhere. Whittaker Woods Golf Course. Um, but it's sort of like where the glitterati from Chicago

Steve

Oh.

John

Met Jason Sudeikis, uh, Rahm Emanuel was there. Um- Yeah. Yeah, there was all kinds of very, uh, a bunch of, uh, Chris Chelios, who plays for the Blackhawks. Yeah. He's got a place there. You know who that, You know who that is. ...Of course you do, Steve.

Steve

got the stick and everything

Michael

Yeah. A

John

that's, most hockey players have that. a whole bunch of Chicago Bears, these big jacked guys. You can tell that- You know, they didn't fit in with the rest of us- little jacked guys. Um, but no, I, I, I was thinking, wouldn't it be fun if we just did a little talk about the role that summer can play on kindness or lack thereof?

Steve

That's a great idea You know?

John

You know? Yeah.

Steve

Well, yeah, it, it's it's deep summer and, uh, temperatures, temperatures get hot. and people get a little... We're, we're kinda done being like holiday time, right? Because now we're in

John

term hot around the collar comes

Steve

It's hotter

Jeff

That's Right. There's a lot of sayings like

Michael

Yeah, There's a pressure cooker to the heat. There's no, ...no, no, no doubt about it. And what's interesting about that is typically we think, well, it- the winter and snowstorms and the cold that, that that really gets, you know, the, the crankiness amped up. But

Steve

Yeah. 'Cause we're stuck in the house and, yeah

Michael

in the house cause we're stuck in the house, and we don't know how to behave out in public. But I would suggest that summer heat, that's just as drastic on really testing- Yeah how we sort of engage out in the wild.

Steve

yeah, I have another thought that involves weather. Yeah. I definitely wanna talk about it. But before we do that-

John

do you want to talk

Steve

what do you wanna talk about? Well, we wanna, we wanna get a formal check-in with

Michael

Oh, wow

Steve

haven't had one of these, one of these segments in quite a while. Yeah. We haven't seen you for a couple months

Michael

now. Yeah. That's right. It's been A couple.

Steve

Yeah. That's right. A couple. But what I wanna tell you is, uh, my friend Steven- Yeah has helped put together a, a, some optional, uh-

Jeff

Intro

Steve

Intro themes intro themes for you.

Michael

Oh, God. Oh,

Steve

writes the he does the theme music

John

I know, but we have a theme for-

Jeff

we we do. We want people to feel welcome and special when they come here.

John

that's nice

Michael

mean, do you listen to the, you, I mean, do you listen to the radio show and they have a reoccurring guest? Right. And they usually play a little something. Well, I mean, you know, once in a while, let's hear it

Steve

so let's listen to, uh- Version one

Jeff

Version one

Steve

yeah, just listen to version one and you guys decide if we, if this fits

Jeff

Tell it, Tell us what you think. Listen closely to the lyrics. Here we go

John

story?

Steve

it's

Michael

Oh, wow

John

hair band vibe

Michael

Yeah

John

And, uh, uh,

Jeff

What do you think?

John

Is that how he did that

Michael

That's really good

Steve

That's how He, did that. That was very good he pre- did it in his apartment and, uh-

John

That was really good. Yeah. He did it in his apartment. He's putting people out of business. That is... AI is gonna crush people. That's really clever. That's,

Steve

was- It's a little more of a... It's very

John

Good luck. I bet you number two... Yeah, that was

Steve

''80s hard

Jeff

we thought of you

Michael

cranking,

John

cranking,

Steve

cranking out Checkin' In with Dempsey

Jeff

weren't

Michael

it.

John

concept ...for a guy who might be struggling in that

Michael

don't really have a lot of hair, but that's good. Okay, I love it. What's option two. I don't know if that can be topped

Jeff

give that shit. Now here we go

Soundshow

Is that anyone else that you wanna see? It's not you, or me, checking in with Dempsey. Checking in with Dempsey.

John

Yeah. one's pleasant. I like the first one

Michael

uh, uh, there's the irony of the first one. the second one. probably fits ...the character a lot better, but the irony of the first one. All right. Yeah.

Steve

the irony of the first one. All right. Yeah, yeah. I, I'm, I like, I like either one. I think the number one is a little more, you know, catchy. Yeah. A little more, you know, wakes you up a little bit. It

Jeff

I like it. It's peppy. Mm-hmm

John

So

Steve

based on that- yeah yeah, let's, let's get a, ...let's get a check it in

Michael

it. Let's

Steve

Let's do it. Tell us what's been going

Michael

no, let's hit number one

Steve

No, let's hit number one again. All right, one more time.

Michael

real. Let's do it

Steve

it? again.

Jeff

here. Whoa.

Steve

go...

Michael

Oh yeah, that's good

Steve

I think applause needs to be done.

John

Jackin' in with Dem Say

Michael

Yeah!

Jeff

There you go

Michael

I love it. I love it. Well, thank you for checking in with Dempsey. Here is the deal. It's been a couple of

John

a song.

Michael

You do. Well, I

Jeff

You have one, Dr. Diction.

Michael

Oh, Dr. Diction,

John

Oh, yeah

Michael

I've been out for a couple of months. I'll highlight a couple of stops along the way. I was in Philadelphia not too long ago.

John

city of brotherly

Jeff

That is.

Michael

a lot of love there. And, uh, no, uh, well, I mean, anybody that's seen Rocky, of course, they know. And you gotta go see the statue when you're there. the steps? Oh, yeah. I mean, I walked them. Yeah. I mean, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't run them. I did run down to them, but I wasn't gonna that... I was tired, so I didn't go up this. And the- and it's, um, it's surprisingly small, that statue. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. When, when, you know, in and amongst, you know, the, the building, it's ...kinda small. But, um-

John

is only like 5'6", right? I mean, he's kind of a shorter guy

Michael

he's not,

Steve

And it's not a historical person, it's just from a movie,

Michael

sitting there. And it's funny because you go down that road and there's lots of monuments that are historical- Yeah along the way, and then you have, uh, a- a, Hollywood. Uh, but I had a... It was fun. I mean, Philadelphia was good. I, I had my first... And I've been to Philadelphia several times. I got the recommendation of where to go get a- Cheesesteak. Yes.

John

about that For a- while

Steve

for a while.

Michael

talk about that ...for a while Cheesesteak. It was, uh... I went to, went to Chester's. Okay. And it was right downtown, and, um, it was bigger than I needed.

John

or or

Steve

It's bigger than you need

Michael

Provolone or Cheese Whiz? It was Bigger than you need No, it was, uh, it was, uh, pro- provolone. I got... I didn't get American. I didn't get

John

they have Cheez Whiz and provolone.

Steve

thing I thought,

Michael

Yeah, It is. You can, you, you can, you know, the, uh... I guess it's

John

Dempsy has a more sophisticated

Michael

tasty. Yeah. It was, uh, it was delicious. But the key, I guess, is the bun, right? It's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not... It's like no other bun. That it has a sort of crusty outside. There's, uh, like a cornmeal kinda deal. Oh. It's a, it's... The bun is key, but don't mistake it for the Italian beef, which is still, uh, Chicago's own Italian beef, which, which I prefer. So Philadelphia's great. Lots of kindness. I got in and out of there. But, um, then a few weeks later,

John

Can I just- Yeah before we move on, Isn't it ironic- Yeah that, like, Eagles fans are apparently the least- brotherly love people on the planet? Sure. And so,

Jeff

They were throwing full beer cans down on Minnesotans.

John

they threw b- beer cans ...at Santa Claus. They

Michael

The only thing I'll say about that is th- they did, but they owned it. You know what I mean? They didn't run from it. They, they haven't, they haven't, run from it. They're... Uh, wasn't the old Veteran's Stadium the only stadium with an actual jail in it?

Steve

They're hoolig- they're

John

in the basement,

Michael

There was an actual

Steve

American hooligans, yeah. And so-

Michael

And so, uh, but that's not kind. I will tell you, my kindness was tested. Uh, I've been listening to all of the podcasts, keeping up, and, um, I had a really rough week because, um, uh, two weeks ago... Well, my, my, my lovely wife and I were planning to go to Teddy Roosevelt National Park ...in Western North Dakota. Beautiful area. There were a few things going on. There's a little town called Medora. and they put on this musical. It's sort of a campy little Western musical, and right next to where they put this on, they were opening the presidential library, right? So we were all excited, and we bought these tickets in February. A week before we were going, we're gonna see this, we get an email.

John

Sorry, folks. Park's closed. Trump.

Michael

be in town. We have to lock her down. You can't go. And we're the... Are you serious right now? We went anyway. We went anyway. It was all closed down, and we sort of snuck around, and we got to see some things. But that tested me. Now-

John

there curse words?

Michael

there curse words? Well, there were some curse words. Okay. But I thought to myself, That's okay," because in two days, after the notification, so I left, in two days, I'm gonna go-

Steve

Sorry folks, bar's closed

Michael

to the new Shakopee Amphitheatre- Oh. and I'm gonna see Dave Matthews. Oh, now that's- So two days later- I said, I said to myself, Okay, I can't go to this library that's not really a library because the president's gonna be there. I'm disappointed, but in two

John

Yeah.

Michael

I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to Shakopee." Amphitheatre. Yeah. that's it. So-

John

it. So- It's like rain

Michael

we, we

John

on Dave Matthews Day

Michael

bad, and we drove down. There was an accident. It took us, like, two and a half hours, and we got there. But, but I'm telling you, it

John

And it g- it got canceled, right?

Michael

Well, we got to, to Mystic Lake. We're gonna take the shuttle over. Everyone's waiting in line. It's raining, and about a half hour in, uh, the concert's been postponed-

John

Oh, no So

Michael

So I'm telling

John

you- You got Lionel

Michael

You got it the next

John

You got it the next day. Yes

Michael

next day, you went to Lionel Richie. He has a, you know, minor, uh, uh, health issue. You wore your hello T-shirt. But I, I was tested. Dempsey out on the road has been tested, And I've come out, ...I've come out the other side. All right. I've come out the other

Jeff

You were, you, you, remained calm? I remained calm?

Michael

didn't hurt anybody. You remained

Jeff

And you, you didn't punch the moo- moose's

John

moose and the nose. Do you have this queued up, Jeff?

Michael

Yeah

Steve

just

Jeff

have the still images

Steve

do it for you.

Jeff

and so we could

Steve

folks, park's closed. Moose should have told you

Jeff

But what I thought was interesting in this is they didn't even have the c-- they didn't have a courtesy of, of an actual human until the ne- the second layer so it's like they, he, they, they said, You know what? It's gonna be fine," and the wife was trying to stop him, and then, you know, John Candy popped in. But it's like, did they have that for you? Like layer one was a, like a little sign and an electronic message, and then layer two of security was a person?

Michael

There, was multiple layers, but I'll tell you, that's- that's when your kindness is tested, right? When you're planning-

Steve

long drive, dude

Michael

it's a long drive to western North Dakota. I, I... And the shout-out to North Dakota, though. I'll tell you, at, uh, uh, whether it was a McDonald's for a Diet Coke or or the hotel we stayed in or the small town of Medora, I- everybody was so kind, and it was so hot. And, but everybody was, uh, k- kind and

John

They're just happy to see humans-

Michael

I guess so. But, uh, uh, hey, sidebar on, uh, western North Dakota, where they're celebrating Theodore Roosevelt. This is the kind of stuff that gets me irritated, though. He was only there for 18 months, for crying out loud. I mean, he didn't live there. I

Jeff

but he, he lived in an intense life there. He, the, the, the,

Michael

two years. His mother and his wife pass on the same day, ...and he goes there. You know what he went there To do?

Jeff

To live a strenuous

Michael

No, he went there to

Jeff

what he said. That's a quote

Michael

went there to start a beef- a cattle company. That's why he went there. Yeah. I mean- That's a

John

Absolutely

Steve

It's a historical

Jeff

he hunted a lot too, though.

Michael

checking in.

Jeff

He is, a, he is, he is on the Mou- he is one of the people on the Mount Rushmore, so he must've done something

Steve

Wait, Michael. Yeah. that's all you have for checking in? Well,

Michael

I just wanted to... I don't wanna maximize the, co- Oh,

Steve

can we hear about the how the, uh, the, f- the FIET's been going? Oh. But

Jeff

we do that, since I'm referencing, and we'll, we'll come back to this, but it sounds like you, you remained this version of Clark Griswold. You didn't go to this version, and you could have, but, but you stayed, you stayed calm like this

John

Yeah. Having a drink

Michael

Oh,

Steve

That's right. For those of you listening- You stayed, you stayed calm like this one Having a drink with, uh, with Rusty,

Michael

having a beer with

Steve

talking about how far your car flew. and then the other one is, uh, going off the rails and, uh, zippity-doo-dah out your, uh...

Jeff

That's right. We're, we're on a quest for fun when the ki- when everybody else is backing out.

Michael

It's not a quest for fun yeah. What a quest. Th- th- That's right. that's right. Uh, the, uh, the school year wrapped up great the, the, beginning of June. Uh, wonderful experience spending, uh, time with grade school kids, doing gym classy stuff. Um, uh, it's just a, a, a, it's a different version of the lunchroom story that I love, right? 'Cause there's always the kids who are really athletic ...and, um, ...just tear it

John

Yeah, that was

Michael

Yeah, that's me, too, presidential physical fitness work. But then there's all those kids that aren't naturally coordinated, ...and, uh, ...to get them all... Yeah, that was Steve. Hey, listen, he couldn't get his, ...he couldn't get his he couldn't get his Elvis,

John

I know.

Michael

right? So, but, um, yeah.

John

the Elvis thing?

Steve

No.

Jeff

had a dancer's body, so he was

John

you have an outfit? Did you have Elvis did. Oh, he

Steve

the photos. My mom

John

I was, I just wanted to hear about it

Steve

I did glue my sideburns on ...with spirit gum. Oh, spirit

Jeff

That's so

John

spirit Gum?

Steve

it was- so it was true.

Michael

is good. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, the gym class was great to, to, to see all of these different kids and get them engaged and get them hyped up and get them, you know, just sort of celebrating and, you know, whatever sort of physical sort of PR accomplishments they could have. And, uh, I loved it. And you know, it was funny, towards the end of the school year, I was talking to the gym teacher and she's like, "Yeah, the principal's looking for a, a part-time P.E. teacher next fall." Uh- ...a- and, and, and I said, "Well, you need a, you need a license, right?" No, you don't, you don't need a license." And I'm like, "Are you serious right now?" She's like, "No, you, you don't need a..." And then she looked at me and she's like, are you are you seriously interested?" And I, I said, I,

Jeff

We can make this happen if you need

Steve

Yeah.

Michael

Well, what she didn't know was m- my wife had actually been on the hiring board for the principal at that school 20 years ago.

Steve

Oh. So,

Michael

so it wouldn't have been really tough to sort of get it, but I, I don't, I couldn't be. Uh, teachers, are you serious? You, last, last week you had the Forest Lake,

Jeff

Weren't they awesome?

Michael

They were a- they were

Jeff

Kate and Ka- or Katie and Jake, yeah

Michael

and tuba Jake. Uh, teachers, that is a profession, uh, like nurses, we've talked about it. Yeah. These people are angels. I mean, what they, ...what they have to endure and the impact they have on kids is unbelievable. I don't know if I have the stomach. I mean, it's a

John

Oh, you got a

Jeff

got the stomach, but

Michael

You've got the stomach. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, not, not that kind though. Not that

Jeff

We're just having a Philly cheesesteak. No.

John

That's one of those American idioms

Michael

Oh. that's what it is. Thank you

John

Oh. that's... Thank you. Yeah

Steve

Not that kind. of- Oh not that kind. Is that a figure of speech? No. Yeah. That's one of those American idioms. Oh, that's what it is. What'd you call me? Well, uh, I, I appreciate this, uh, Checking In with Dempsey. And what, how that originated was you came on to kinda tell us how we're doing. yeah. Um, it sounds like You've been listening. I have. You've been catching in. You've been, you've been catching up a little bit. Um, I will just say, kind of as a Checking in, I'm incredibly proud of our YouTube streams. Um, Jeff has done an incredible job putting those together. people are subscribing. people are watching. people are sharing. It's fantastic. Not that we've signed up to do a TV show, but it ends up being something people like to get on YouTube, so check it out on YouTube 'cause it's

Jeff

Well, it opens up um, another dimension if we need to show something or refer to an image. It gives people an option to go,

Michael

Yeah, but you, you guys have, uh, uh, captured some amazing guests. The, um, uh, the folks with the Special Olympics. I, I, didn't tell you This

Steve

Kelly and

Jeff

Yeah,

Michael

we went, we, we drove to western North Dakota. I made my wife listen to the last four episodes.

John

what do you mean made?

Michael

Yeah, I said, "Listen, honey, I, I'm gonna be

Steve

on- I gotta catch up,

Michael

You gotta catch up. You gotta listen." And, Uh, I'm... Uh, she was actually, she enjoyed that. She had commentary on all of you fools.

John

enjoyed that? You know, you're using words here that are concerning to

Steve

I don't make my wife sit and listen to

John

wife listen. She was actually

Michael

Yeah, entertained. Yeah.

Steve

Let's talk about getting cool. Let's talk about cooling down ...because it is hot, It is summer, and it's, it's when people get irritated.

John

keep your thermostat at? Just curious, in the

Steve

I think, uh, I think, 70. I think. Me too. Yeah. Can

John

Can I, um, ...I know that, that we want this to be timely, but I do have a, a comment It's a comment about the World

Jeff

about the World Cup.

Michael

Yeah

John

I have found the World Cup to be far more interesting than I ever imagined it would be. And part of it has to do with the, the joy that people seem to have being in the United States of America. The, the fascination that they have for things like Buc-ee's, and ranch dressing, and the Waffle House, and there's so many great memes. There's this, uh... Have you guys seen the Japanese guy who says that he doesn't speak English

Jeff

is it that one?

John

the guy!" that guy just gives me such joy.

Michael

Yeah

Steve

think he's... You sent that Yeah. No, but I know what you're seeing. You, you showed us that. It's funny

John

uh, soccer players, the way that they, like, clean up after themselves. We may have talked about this

Steve

Not the players, but the fans. No, but the- Oh, the players too, yeah ...the

John

rooms, like they- Oh, sure. It's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. But the love that they have of big food, like, they now understand why there's so much obesity in the United States. Oh, yeah

Michael

Oh, yeah

John

I mean, when we were in Europe, it's like, where are all the fat people?

Steve

'Cause they're all walking They're all walking. Right,

John

all walking. They're all walking. Right, right.

Michael

Some of that has to do with, uh, most of their

John

food

Michael

is not processed, right? And, and they, they, they have to grow it ...and eat it, and you go to the market and you buy the stuff, and you know, it's not got shelf life and all of that. Let me tell you what raises the heat for me.

Steve

is it?

Michael

gonna tell you to raise it. And maybe, I... You guys need to... Yeah, I... Let, let me tell You something. You wanna flip a switch? What you gotta do is you come into a store like Target, and you decide you're gonna call somebody, and you're gonna put that on speaker. And then you're gonna walk around talking into your phone while somebody... Oh, my God. Oh. Oh, well, is that the harsh of... Like, they're having a full-blown conversation about what's for dinner in two weeks while you're sort of walking through ...the clothing section. I- if you wanna have a conversation with someone, have it, but I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna hear it.

Steve

All right. Okay. Hold on, hold on

Michael

me off. Does

Steve

See, you're already... He's already heated up. let's let's, let's hold on a second. John's talked about that in the past. He's been guilty of that. Yeah. And it's not really heat-related, but it's, it's, it's maybe part of the- Yeah environment right now. When you go to Target to get cool, you see that. Yeah, yeah. But okay, listen up. We're officially into the heart of summer. The Fourth of July has come and gone. The novelty has worn off. Now we're standing in line at Target- Yeah or wherever, sitting in rural construction, waiting behind somebody ordering 14 custom coffees, trying to keep kids entertained. And someone, uh... And somehow everybody feels just a little warmer, and not just because of the weather. Today, we're asking a simple question. How do we keep cool, uh, how do we keep a cool head- Yeah and a kind heart, and leave a little room for everyone else? How do we do it? This is what we're gonna explore a little bit today. So it's kind of gripes. We're gonna go through ...some gripes. We're gonna go through, um, some ways and to think about it. We all become crab asses when w- when it's hot and, uh, what I was gonna say earlier is here's another part of it that connects with weather, at least locally ...in, in Midwest. We only have a certain amount of summer days. So we cherish ...and we invest in those days- Right and our weekends, our cabins, our whatever we're gonna do, or just getting the yard done or whatever. So when someone's impeding on your timing- Yeah you... it's all starts to crunch together. 'Cause I I feel... As I get older, I feel like I'm still appreciating just wearing a shirt outside. Yeah. Like, no jacket. Like, this is so great. We are in a time, uh, a time crunch here That's true

Michael

interesting. That's interesting you mention that. So in essence, what you're saying is we feel m- not, and, and not only is it the heat, but b- based on the limited time we have- Yes we feel so much pressure- Pressure

Steve

to have fun ...and get out to the cabin

Jeff

Good observation. Yeah, that is a good

Michael

"I gotta get home ...because I got, uh, six kid things that I gotta get done," or, "My kids gotta go to camp," or- That's right ..."If I don't get three trips to the cabin in, why did I buy that cabin? Yeah.

Steve

it can become about money.

John

Well, I'm hot all the time. What... E- no, just through winter, like I'm always sweaty, so I'm always kinda crabby about how I feel

Steve

Well, okay. So let's ask, let's ask you this, John. Yeah. what what makes you cranky? Aside from sweatiness.

John

What makes me

Steve

Yeah, like, like, Well, what is it about heat- Well- Hold on. What is it about heat that makes you cranky? we'll we'll save another, whatever you're gonna say before. What about heat makes you cranky in the summertime? We're talking summer right now

John

Really, I, I don't mind the heat of the summer because I rarely outside. I-

Steve

cut your grass, you do all kind- you do mulch

John

story? I gotta cut grass later on today. My yard looks terrible cause I've been gone for a week. I really don't spend a lot of time outside. I am, as many times you've heard, I'm an avid indoorsman. I don't like when the house gets above 72 degrees. That's what makes me cranky. But I, I would say that I don't like golfing in the heat. Um, you know, that physical activity, although I take a cart, um, while my playing mates all walk because... Oh, good for them. Um,

Steve

You just

John

talking to you, Mr. Burns. Mr. Burns is a

Jeff

What if you had to walk? if you were for... And, and I remember you even said, uh, in, in Italy, you, you, you set things up properly so that you would be happy because there wouldn't be a lot of walking

John

usually the walking was associated with a meal at the end of the walk.

Jeff

Right. So there's a reward. there's a reward

John

was a reward, And it was usually a very good reward. But here's the worst part. You had to walk back on a full stomach. Ah. Not good. And,

Jeff

that's I think where you're going. What, what, what triggers in your mind that can make you blow up like Michael Douglas here in Falling Down, right? And, and does the heat contribute to that?

John

I see what you're

Steve

heat is very much

John

I misunderstood the question

Steve

for instance, uh, you know, you get in your car and your steering wheel's boiling hot, your seat's boiling hot, it's 115 degrees in your car. So now everyone gets in like, "Ah." You gotta wait for a minute or turn the air on right away or open the windows, whatever. That's, that's

Jeff

Are there things that trigger anger in you that we, if we're mindful of it, we can hopefully stave it off and be kind?

John

I don't care for when people don't understand my sarcastic jokes. That is very triggering for me. Like, people that are super sensitive about things that really are meant to be funny, um, have a candy bar. Oh, see, now that is an assault. I was just throwing... This was a very... Uh, uh, that wa- that could be a weapon. That could be a we- no. I, uh, y- you know, I get upset like

Jeff

...an episode back you said pe- some people that don't get me. You said that once- and it

Steve

here's

John

what... I'll give you one. Like, I am very generous with letting people in in the traffic. If I don't get a wave for the traffic- ...it very, very irritating to me. Um, you know, ...where's my wave? All I want is a wave. But, and when I get a wave, ...it really brings me up. Uh, but it is, that is a Seinfeld episode. I didn't even think of

Steve

Where's that wave?

John

why-

Steve

Where's my wave? No, that, I I think everybody appreciates that. why why won't you... H- how hard is that just to go, "Thank you"?

John

thank you.

Steve

do it all the time. I always give people

John

the other thing that I, I think that people need to do more often. I am a distracted driver sometimes, okay? And I almost caused a car accident today, and the person laid on the horn and honked at me, and I gave him the one hand on the chest, one hand up in the air, and the like, "I am sorry" nod. Like, that's on me.

Michael

No hand on the wheel

John

the response that I got... That's a problem, too. I didn't have a single hand on the

Michael

a hand on ...the

Jeff

steered with his thighs at

John

from the guy was very... It made my day, 'cause he's like, "Okay, I appreciate

Jeff

That's

Steve

yeah. I'm so sorry.

John

so sorry. I'm so sorry, And, and it's usually my fault. Yeah.

Jeff

Yeah.

John

And I really need to be, do a

Jeff

very big of you to do That

John

you do that Yeah. Thank you. So, again- I like talking about-

Steve

back to heat ...and what makes people cranky. Um, the car, um, mosquitoes have declared war. Mosquitoes kicked in when it gets muggy ...and hot. Uh, every road is under construction. and I... It's kinda shifted a little bit. It, it, the spring was, I think, worse, but I

John

I know. Here's one. We're driving from Michigan through Indiana to Illinois, okay? The left lane was shut down for no apparent reason. They had the orange, like, barrels up for 20 miles. and the traffic was down to a crawl. They had a wide open lane there that could have helped. It's like, if you're not gonna be out there working, take the cones down and let us use that lane f- That irritates me, And when it's real hot

Steve

That irritates me. And when it's real time- You're managing construction on the road site, you're managing... You think their plan is bad? I... yes.

John

yes. And I think it's against me.

Steve

And I think it's against me.

Michael

It's completely against it. And no amount of hand on the chest ...and waving is gonna change it, And that's,

Steve

They probably put them out there a day before and they're gonna start the next

Jeff

Would it be safe to say that an internal dialogue is happening with you when you're

John

are words. There are words- ...that we don't use on this podcast

Steve

so how do you, like, I guess we're just gonna stay with John and his traffic issues. But Michael, you tell me too, like, when, when things get crazy and heated, maybe Jeff, you can chime in here too, but what do you do to keep your internal thermostat, we'll call that your thermostat, what makes you freak out- ...and get cranky. What, what do you do? What are the tools? What do you go to? What Without even maybe-

John

I start to snack

Steve

start to snack. you start to

John

Yeah

Michael

do you, what do you, At least when you're on a road... Let's go to food real quick. You're road tripping. Is it corn nuts? Jerky?

John

I'm a big jerky. I'm a big jerky guy. Yeah, I love jerky.

Michael

Oh, so you start with the

John

in your teeth and then Yeah teriyaki or whatever. No, I'm a big fan of, uh, what's it called? Old Trapper. Oh,

Michael

Yeah, That's refreshing. Yeah,

John

the traditional. It's so good.

Steve

Yeah. Cub Foods has it.

John

Yeah. Love Foods has this.

Michael

so you grab a couple of, uh, chunks of Old Trapper, And then- you... then the heat comes, then the heat comes down a little

John

it takes me back to, uh, what's really important

Michael

It takes me back to, uh Yeah. The Old Trapper jerky and

John

Old

Michael

D- ...and some Diet Coke. And a Diet Coke. Does

Steve

and a Diet Coke. That might be, get you back to your comfort zone. What do you do? yeah. What's your thermostat?

Michael

I, I, Well, so I try to do preventative medicine because what this is all about is you're jacking with my time, right? So the road construction. And so when it's hot, I feel like people are really rushing. There's no leisurely drive, especially around the city. It's like, I gotta get to the T-ball game. I gotta get to the picnic. I gotta get to the lake. I gotta get to the fireworks." Time's a-wasting. Time's

Steve

Times are wasting, Summertime's leaving us.

Michael

so my preventative medicine is, um, I'm gonna leave early. Yeah. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go earlier. And so one thing that really sets me off, and I was just having this conversation yesterday with my, my, my daughter and my wife. I said, "You know what really pisses me off, ladies? Is when I say, 'Okay, on Thursday we're going to Chicago,' or something. We're leaving at 8:00 AM. "Are we, are we clear on that? 8:00 AM.' And they're all like, "Yeah, 8:00 AM.' And then like six hours later I say, 'You guys, what time are we leaving on Thur- 8:00 AM.' And then the next day I say- "Just so we're clear, it's 8:00 AM, right,

Steve

The ASA Wow Just so we're

Michael

I just gotta...'" And then... Okay, but then, Thursday rolls around, who's the only one standing at the door at 8:00 AM? You wanna, you wanna get

Steve

You actually paint, You're, you're, you're causing yourself that though

Michael

what are, what are you talking about? I'm trying to lay the groundwork

John

what I would suggest

Michael

could say to me, "Hey, Dad, how about 8:15?" You named 8:15, 8:15 it is. I don't care.

John

So here's what you wanna do, Michael. It's

Steve

torturing yourself,

John

very

Michael

It works itself. Yeah. Yeah. It's very simple. Yeah, what is it?

John

If you wanna leave at 8:00, you tell people we're leaving at 7:00. Manage your own expectations. Trust me. I mean, that's just, ...it's a very simple

Michael

Oh, You gotta just lie? You gotta lie?

John

what you wanna do is you want to manage your own expectations about the people that are around you. So my wife, ...let's talk about her for a

Michael

my wife, let's talk about her first. Yeah, let's go

John

So I like to get to the airport really early.

Michael

Well, you gotta get the McGriddle. I get it. It's called the McBird.

John

It's called a McGorgan, by the way, BTW. I know where both of the McDonald's are in the, uh, in the airport. But anyway, um,

Michael

You wanna get there

John

Becky is one of those people that likes to be the person that gets onto the plane just as the door is closing behind her. I mean, that is not good for a healthy marriage right there.

Steve

I

John

I like to- When I travel alone, I get there two and a half hours early. I can walk casually, leisurely. I leave even earlier just in case the traffic is gonna be bad, and I might get there three hours early. But you know what I do? I go, I sit down, go get myself a McGorgan. Everything is fine.

Michael

Read a little. Stress of that.

John

of that, Ugh.

Michael

Ugh. Yeah. Me too. I'm the same as you

Steve

I I'm as well. man. I, I don't know if it's just t- it's a little type A, but my wife is just like your wife, uh, in that she's She she has no, she thinks it's wasting her time to be early. it's like it's wasting my time. Yeah. So we've been, we've been, oftentimes like, I'm like, "We gotta get to the gate." We've sat down and had a Caribou coffee. Like, "We gotta, we gotta, get going.

John

you ever wanna say- "Why is your time so valuable?

Steve

like, ..."It's fine." All of a sudden, as we're walking, they start saying our names on the

Michael

Oh, no. No,

John

been in that position?

Steve

Oh, no. Oh, no. You've been in that position? And, and what it is is, what it is is it's actually torturing me. Oh. She doesn't realize that she's torturing me. Right.

John

What it is, what it is is it's actually torturing me. Oh. She doesn't realize that she's torturing me. Yeah. we need to have her in, and we're we're gonna talk about

Steve

she loves to just

John

Unless she

Steve

uh, fairly late.

John

I'm gonna call her Jenny and see how that goes

Michael

no, your, your, your wife and my wife are the same. They, they, they're the... We, we go to mass, uh, we're Saturday night mass people. We bring the median age down to about 65, right? We're always late. We're always late. We walk in, That priest, who by the way is marrying my daughter, is eyeballing me every time I walk in there. Every time, eyeball, a- all, just ...eyeballing me. Just eyeballing me. Well, I'm

John

If we're gonna be late to church, I'm not going. I'm

Steve

going. You're not going. I don't like to be late ...to stuff either. I

John

don't. You know what? You know

Steve

like to call attention. We're

John

great guys.

Steve

guys. I don't, I don't know if that's what it is. Yeah. I think we're, uh,

John

you get to church on time?

Michael

Yeah. Well

John

Yeah. Uh, listen to him. He's so thoughtful ...and sweet, isn't he?

Steve

That is so thoughtful of you, Stephanie I know. Jeff, how do you do it? How do you manage when the thermostat gets a little hot? What do you

Jeff

I, I, when it comes to our car, I turn my car into a university on wheels and try and learn something productive while I'm driving. I, I've always liked doing that.

John

What a surprise. Anyone surprised?

Michael

jerky. Yeah.

Jeff

And I've found that that calms my internal dialogue down, and I do, uh, not that we need to shift to movies, but that's why that Pixar Inside Out means so much to me because that's about internal dialogue, and it speaks to me in that I've found and I've just kinda set, stood outside myself when I'm angry. It's like, "What's going on here?" And I'm usually just hyping myself up or I'm seeing negative things, and I'm like, "Why is that?" And, and, uh, and sometimes it might take weeks or months to calm that down because there's something there that's bothering me, and that's where I do think faith comes into play and d- having a morning routine and church, all that stuff, because it might be, there might be a root cause that needs to really get dealt with.

Steve

Or actually, a- a- as like a, a a meditative thought is you're, you're calming the monkey mind. That you're so stressed and you're

John

Well,

Steve

out- Yeah ...you take a breath, you take some deep breaths. You really realize, "What, why am I mad? What am I?" And then you go, "Oh, I'm mad. Why am I mad?"

John

this inside voice thing. You, you mentioned the, the movie Inside Out. Um, do you guys participate in in internal voice? My problem is, is my internal voice be- gets verbalized and it gets me in trouble. So, like I shouldn't have said the things I said earlier that we

Jeff

and why did you, t- why, ...why why did you say that story to yourself with that that lane was shut down and they're not working on it? Maybe there was another reason that you couldn't drive in it, but you created and constructed a story that angered you, and you don't really know the full story.

Steve

And well, and, and being angry at like-

John

I need help,

Steve

and ...being, being angry at the construction site is the same as being angry that it's raining. You can't do anything about it, so you have to adjust your thought and go, "I can't change that. Here's what it is." The universe doesn't- Probably.

Jeff

So I'm showing some of the voices on Inside Out here, and on the left I believe that's sadness uh, Disgust is on the right. She's green. Um, it's interesting, the gal in the, the, the, the middle is red. I think she's Anger. This, this is actually a better... But isn't it interesting they used red for anger, and you're talking about heat and hot and temperature? So it's like hot under the collar or he's hot-tempered, right? He's a hothead

Michael

I wanna ask Jeff this question though, because it was a really thoughtful response about you going, "Okay, why am I feeling this way? Why am I feeling anxious?" Do you... 'Cause now I'm super curious. I-i- does that happen more often in the heat of the summer or in the cold of the winter? Uh,

Jeff

The cold of the winter, yeah, for me. And 'cause the dark, the, the, the light, I, seasonally that bothers me that we get so little light in the winter. So there... But there are just triggers. Like I'll sh- I'll give you another example. Um, Falling Down. I identify with Michael Douglas in this

John

Oh, boy.

Jeff

because-

John

nice you look today? Well,

Steve

and I, I would never

Jeff

Imagine how nice you look. Well, a- and I, I would never, like, pull out the

John

Where are we going with

Jeff

but, I'm just saying this scene with this... I don't know if you remember it, but they

John

Oh, yes

Jeff

was like three minutes behind 11:30 when they stopped serving breakfast, and look how smiley they were, and that's our policy, and da, da, da, and they were not willing to make an exception. And those kinds of things do trigger me when people are following

Steve

Not human.

Jeff

that. yeah. they're, they're being robotic, and they're not being, you know, they're not meeting me halfway, and they're just, like, following the rule book or whatever. And d- they were just being sing-songy and fun, but he was getting pissed, and finally the, all, all, hell broke loose.

John

gets the burger. and the burger looks nothing like the burger.

Jeff

Yeah.

John

Hey, by the way, ...that actor, does anybody recognize that actor? From Seinfeld. He was the sidler.

Michael

He

John

He was the Sidler, and he's the one that Elaine-

Steve

in, Elaine's office

John

Elaine's office ...yeah, and Elaine gave him the Tic Tacs, and she's like, "You know-"

Steve

Put 'em in your

John

Tacs?" And he goes, she goes, 'Cause your voice is bleh." And she does this bleh. So Yeah, Oh, you're such a nice lady, Elaine.

Michael

That's

Steve

a nice lady, Elaine. Uh, okay. So, so some ways to, examples how to, how to quell this, uh, heat is you take deep breaths. you let somebody merge, You'll, you look for the wave, hopefully. You choose not to respond immediately, so take a little break. Like, walk away. use humor, use music, get a treat, ice cream or licorice or, uh, what did,

John

Jerky. Yeah.

Jeff

can I have another academic, uh, thing? And that is I read a book back in the day called Learned Optimism by a University of Pennsylvania professor and, um, about this concept of self-talk, and, uh, he had a concept of A, B, C, D. So like A, something happens. Like B, your belief system generates the, um, self-talk that you have, even if it's wrong. C is, um, I can't remember, but D, you have to dispute that self-talk. And

John

we're not doing the whole alphabet, are we, Jeff?

Jeff

just the four, it's just the four letters, but the point is you have to dispute that internal dialogue because it's probably wrong, and that can really rise your blood pressure

Steve

Yeah. And, and taking some time from it makes you go, "Okay, well, I was..." Just like if you stress out about something ...right before you wake up, and you, ...when you wake up, you go, "Oh, it wasn't really that big of a deal," ...in your mind. But- I

John

mean, really, when you think about all of the things that we get stressed out about,

Steve

Bigger picture

John

all made it through all of them, Right? I

Jeff

true. It's

Steve

and that's the hard part of life, trying to just de- take that deep breath and go, "Okay, wait a

Jeff

and think about the 250th birthday we just had and all the people that came before us to make that possible. And so when you start, like, putting those kinds of thoughts in your mind, you can't help but be grateful and calm yourself through just like, you know, maybe I can't drive in that lane today, but gosh, those 17-year-olds that stormed the beaches of Normandy, I'm sure grateful for them.

Michael

um, and then, and then grab that, th- then reach in that bag of Old trapper and you grab ...a big chunk of jerky- and you put it in your mouth.

Jeff

you soldier for making this trapper jerky possible that I'm enjoying right

John

though? I think that that, you bring up a good point, Jeff. I mean, that really is a good point. The craziness that's, that we're experiencing in our country today. Yeah. and you think about those people that stormed the beach at Normandy. There's a, a Netflix George Washington show that I watched, uh, three-part show about... I knew very little about George Washington. And I thought I knew a whole bunch about him.

Jeff

Because of the civility and, and all the stuff you

John

that stuff. That's what I thought. Uh, we have it pretty

Michael

Yeah Yeah.

John

mean, why are we so crabby with each other about things that

Jeff

Did you learn about George Washington's mother and how mean she was to him? Uh, it was awful. A- and he still was loyal to her and gave her money and helped her, and she would write mean articles about him in the paper while he was at war, you know, risking his li- it was just terrible. But he, he helped... Uh, it's just when you think about that and read about these stories and about these people that came before us and it, it does make you feel

John

had the same thing. He had a mean mom t-

Jeff

He

John

Maybe that's the key to success. We all have nice moms, ...and that's why we're just

Steve

our problem?

John

doing a podcast

Michael

you, you guys have nice moms. I will, I will just, uh, to, to sort of put a button on what what you were saying about the 250 and all of that. Um, we do... When, when, when it gets hot and we lose... We, we have to recognize, I think, that this just dialogue is emphasizing that we just... A lot of it is so self-imposed. Yeah.

Steve

Yeah. Perspective

Michael

just cramming so much in, trying to get so much done that we have to give ourselves some grace. and we have to give those around us some grace so that we can frigging enjoy some of the, the summer. To just sort of- like, don't overschedule the evening and go, "Well, I'm just gonna sit outside with my my

Jeff

that, that's the purpose of Sundays. The S- the Sunday is a Sabbath- It's meant to be rest, and some people work on that day and cram stuff in, and so we're meant to rest and reflect a little bit. I do think the frantic pace can get to

Michael

Yeah.

Steve

This ties in perfectly. It's what I'm trying to get to here. Everyone is fighting a summer battle. Remember, the guy driving too slowly might be transporting his elderly parent somewhere. The cashier is working her third shift. The road crew has been standing on asphalt since 6:00 AM, right? These guys are like, "Ugh, just go, Whatever. Stop. Look at my pylons. Observe the pylons. Um, eat your jerky and move on, son." The parents

John

I would have been fine if they would have been out there working- but there was nothing

Steve

parents with screaming kids are probably more embarrassed than they are annoyed, you know? Uh, the waitress, uh, has walked seven miles, you know. Her, her step count might be super high. The lan- W- You know, the, the whole point is you don't know what people are going through. Right. Give people some grace. And like Michael's saying-

John

you directing this at me specifically?

Michael

looking at me too.

John

he, but he keeps pointing at

Jeff

it, no, it's let's tell ourselves better stories with our internal dialogue.

John

There.

Steve

Telling ourselves a better story is with our internal dialogue. Right, right. It just- Yeah ...and y- if you don't have, if you don't get to the, to the lake today, just enjoy your yard, enjoy your front porch or whatever

Michael

I agree

Jeff

If a mosquito is biting you, it provides really good food for bats, right? Or

John

Wow. You know,

Steve

we're stretching pretty far there. Oh.

John

Jesus.

Michael

my God, Jeff. Yeah.

Steve

Jeff, you didn't specify.

Michael

Jeff, the introspective. Yeah

Jeff

I I know I'm getting a little syrupy here, ...but I-- 'cause I get pissed along with

Michael

I'm telling

Jeff

them. Don't worry

Steve

of the bats. Um,

Jeff

I will say my dog helps. I look at my dog a lot, and that makes me happy too.

Michael

Yeah.

John

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve

look at the dog enjoying grass or lawn. And, and this is part of it too. It's not a summer competition. Because we have limited time, ...we're all trying to get on a boat to get, go somewhere every y- as much as you can. This is not... Social media does not... help this situation. It makes it worse because it feels like they're missing

John

this is,

Steve

Limited warranty?

John

we're, going on a long time here. What do we got? We

Steve

Well done

John

also have limitations here. We gotta get to that point. Well done. Okay, you win.

Steve

Uh, anyway, yeah, social media doesn't help. The whole, the whole bit gets... Like, everyone's at a cabin, everyone's doing something great. and, you

John

Everybody's in a Mountain Dew commercial except for

Michael

Oh, that's good. That's good. Well, hey, on that, I just, I wanna take the opportunity as I always do when you guys have me in here once every other month to check in, thanks for the tune, um, to say, uh, thanks for bringing me in for the summer heat conversation. It's always

John

We'll see you in November.

Michael

Yeah, I'll be back around Thanksgiving to talk about gravy. Yeah. Talk about gravy and how we're gonna cook the turkeys.

Steve

I'm just kidding. Let's talk about gravy Let's talk about gravy and how we're gonna make it Ah. Yeah. I, I don't know. I, I... We will be having you back sooner, 'cause we need to have checkin' in. We gotta see how we're doing

Jeff

I wasn't sure if we're done or not. I can turn it off, but, uh, Okay. No, I'm just kidding.

John

was... You know what? We've solved a lot of problems today. Summer heat. Woo! Thank God for air conditioning. By the way, just can you dial it down for just a quick

Jeff

absolutely.

John

Back to the World Cup thing, the, uh, just the fact that, like, very few people in Europe have air conditioning. They're gonna be going back to hot Europe and saying, "W- where did we miss the memo on air conditioning?" I had a friend, a coworker, that was just in Italy for two weeks, and they had the worst heat for, in, in,

Steve

like- Yeah, it's been bad

Michael

my My, sister was in France last week. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna go She's here. She just landed here. We're gonna go see her after this. But they, like 1,000 people died in three days ...in France because of the heat. It was unbelievable

John

f- Thank God for air

Jeff

I

Michael

that helps keep the heat

Jeff

When we went to Europe, I could not find like a... I wanted a Diet Coke so bad and, and I could- but they were all warm. They didn't even have them under

John

have is Coke Zero

Jeff

Ugh. And, and- ...And, then I wanted an American breakfast, and I couldn't find... And then all of a sudden ...I wa- I checked into my hotel- and I looked over, and there was a McDonald's that says, "We have American breakfast." I'm like, thank you."

John

The promised

Michael

His kids are in the middle of traffic, he's running

Steve

Well, try, tr- let's just say try to be the coolest person in the room

John

Oh.

Jeff

poo, be the shade to someone's

Steve

you go. Be someone's shade. Be your own shade

John

you know what?

Michael

you

John

And as big as we're

Michael

Oh.

John

We could provide a lot of shade. With that note, I'm out.

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