Ep. 172 - Echoes of 80s Adventures and Iconic Bands

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Scott McLean 0:11

Well, here we are, episode 172? 173? I don't know. It's one of those. I'll figure it out afterwards, but on this episode Jack is back. Maybe he's a 50-50. I'm just saying this just in case, because his feelings are going to hurt if he comes on and I didn't introduce him, so I don't want to hear him. I'm not in the mood tonight. So anyway, yeah, tonight I'm going to finish what I've been trying to finish for two weeks Underrated lead singers. I think we're going to talk about some quirky album covers and just whatever Jack has to say. I'm sure he's got a lot to say. He always does. So, anyway, sit back, relax, enjoy the podcast 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0.

Jack Calabrese 1:09

All engines running Lift off. We have a lift off.

Speaker 3 1:16

The KOSB Studio presents Milk Rates and.

Speaker 4 1:20

Turntables a music discussion podcast hosted by Scott McClain Now let's talk music.

Speaker 3 1:29

Enjoy the show. What's up everybody?

Scott McLean 1:49

I'm jacked up tonight, brill.

Speaker 5 1:50

Crane Crane scene On a bike. Charlie Shane Brill. Crane Crane scene On a bike. Cole Kiley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no techno tonight, baby. Yeah, welcome to the podcast.

Scott McLean 2:19

Yeah, you know the name, I'm not going to say it what they'll do One of these days? These boots are going to stomp all over you.

Speaker 4 2:37

Yeah, this is the shit right here.

Scott McLean 2:41

This is how I start the show now. It used to be soft. Now I don't give a shit, I don't care. It's London, alright, everyone, welcome to the podcast. You know the name, I'm not gonna say it. Streaming live right now, over everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome back my friends to the show that never ends. Uh, what else? I'm missing something. I don't know. I don't care. So last week, during the show, I got cut off. Facebook cut me off Like boom Music. They didn't like it or something, I don't know. I don't care, though I don't care. I'm still care, though I'm still on YouTube. So if I get cut off, go to the Milk Crates and Turntables channel on YouTube. You can watch it over there live. In the meantime, jack's back, yeah. It's back. Yeah, what's?

Speaker 3 3:50

up buddy. I like that tune man.

Scott McLean 3:53

Yeah, idols.

Speaker 3 3:55

I like idols.

Scott McLean 3:56

The name of the song is Never Fight a man with a Perm.

Speaker 3 4:02

So just a little fun fact for you. Uh, I got a. I got a. A buddy of mine that plays in a band little literally lives down the street from me. He plays in a band called the interrupters. They open for the idols a bunch of time I'm sorry, it's just idols, okay, okay so you're already fucking starting. Good night everybody. Hey, scott I'm sorry, it's just idols, okay oh my god, you know, aren't there enough people fighting over a bunch of bullshit that we do?

Scott McLean 4:40

we have to do the same no, no, but it's impossible for us to have a peaceful show.

Speaker 3 4:48

We've just known each other too long yeah, so what's the weather like down there?

Scott McLean 4:54

ah, let me give you a weather report right now, as a matter of fact, uh, it is a beautiful 72 degrees. Ah what a coincidence, we got 7.2 inches of snow today. What a coincidence. How does that happen? Well, because you live in New Hampshire. That's why that's true. I can see the Canadian border. Yeah, I can see Russia from my backyard, so what's? Been going on man.

Speaker 3 5:28

Not a lot of good rock bands out of Russia.

Scott McLean 5:31

No, no, can you name any?

Speaker 3 5:34

There was a Russian band. Oh, would they let them out. That's the whole thing, would they even let them out? There was a Russian band called Autograph.

Scott McLean 5:41

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 5:44

It was a band that was not from Russia, also called autograph all right, that's then.

Scott McLean 5:48

That's probably the ones I heard. Yeah, that was uh, let me see, autograph. American style had a hit in. About 1984. I want to say it was a turn up the radio. That was like I was like I came down here to Fort Lauderdale for spring break. It was a last minute thing, me and my roommate at college and we took a fucking Greyhound bus from somewhere in Massachusetts to Fort Lauderdale. It was $99 round trip.

Speaker 3 6:21

That's a long trip.

Scott McLean 6:23

That was crazy. It sucked, but it was some crazy stories on that fucking bus ride give me, give me, give me the best story from that bus ride all right, you want the best story, I I right off the top as long as it's clean.

Speaker 3 6:35

But you know, this is a family no, no, I yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott McLean 6:38

so we're on the bus, and so my roommate was a younger kid. He was from, like I don't know, tewksbury or something. He was from the Burbs in Massachusetts. Good kid though Can you say the name of that town one more time, Like I don't know, Tewksbury or something. Did I say that?

Speaker 3 6:58

You could be right. I always said Tewksbury.

Scott McLean 7:01

T-E-W-K-S right Tewksbury. T-e-w-k-s right Tewks. I don't know, it was irrelevant to me.

Speaker 3 7:08

Who was the character on the Fruit Loops box?

Scott McLean 7:12

Toucan Sam.

Speaker 3 7:14

Okay, toucan, sam, yeah, tewksbury.

Jack Calabrese 7:19

All right.

Scott McLean 7:20

It's fine. It's fine, you're reaching, you're reaching, anyway. So we get off the bus in dc, right, that's one of the stops. Now, along the way I I found out that every greyhound bus station from from boston to florida has a burger king in it. They, they all. Back then, every one of them, like, burger king, had the contract, right. So at the end of that trip I fucking hated I didn't eat burger king for a year, right?

Scott McLean 7:47

So we get off the bus and it's it's in the evening and I think it's like probably like a thursday night or something. And so we met these guys that were from michigan on the bus. So, all right, they're cool, they're going to spring break, we're going to spring break, everything's cool. There's like four of them's cool. There's like four of them, there's two of us. So we get off the bus and I'm like, of course I have the brilliant idea let's go get something, let's go get some booze, let's make this shit happen. So we ask somebody on the bus station you know who's at bus stations, right? Nothing good happens. No, good happens. No one's good at a bus station, right? So we're in the middle of dc, it's on a thursday evening and I say, where's the liquor store, where you know where can we buy booze? And this black dude says well, are you gonna go up there and take a right at this street and go down? And it's on the left, all right, so we do that well, why does he have to be a black dude?

Speaker 3 8:39

why couldn't you? Just say no, it wasn't. Why can't you just say that this dude came up.

Scott McLean 8:44

Well, because I'm in DC, it's probably anyway. So we get up there and we get into the liquor. We walk into the liquor store and we notice that it's full of black dudes the only white guys in there. Okay, and, all right, we get our shit and it's kind of a weird vibe. All right, we get our shit and it's kind of a weird vibe.

Scott McLean 9:10

Now you got guys from shit poke, michigan. You got my buddy roommate from Tewksbury, massachusetts, and there's me where we grew up and how we grew up, right. So I'm like all right, this is going to be interesting. So we get like a case of beer and we get I don't know a fucking bottle of something, probably jack or whatever stupid shit we were buying back then, and the guy just kind of behind the counter just gives it to us. And we came, we pay and we walk out and we take a left, we stock and we didn't get 10 yards and I hear from behind you motherfuckers are in the wrong neighborhood and so I'm like, uh, we just and I, these dudes are like what?

Speaker 4 9:55

did he say?

Scott McLean 9:57

I'm like, just keep walking, keep walking. He says. I think I said you motherfuckers are in the wrong neighborhood. I'm like don't run, Because if we run then they're going to fucking chase us and nothing good is going to come of that. So I said just keep fucking walking, Don't. And like as soon as I said that, three fucking bottles smash like around us they're throwing bottles at us and I look at the dudes.

Scott McLean 10:27

I go it's fucking time to run and you hear them all bust out laughing like they would. They were laughing their asses off like motherfucker right they played us right.

Scott McLean 10:41

They wanted to see us run and we ran right. And so we get back to the bus. I'm like that was fucking crazy, that was crazy, right. And these dudes are all jacked up. We go to get on the bus and the bus driver looks and goes oh, you ain't bringing that on the bus. Like we got the case of beer, right. And he goes no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not coming on this bus. No, no, no. Like well, we just bought it. He goes I don't care, this bus is leaving in like five minutes With or without you, but it's definitely even without the bear. Oh, fuck, all right. Well, I'm like what do we do with it? Like someone's like what are we doing? What are?

Scott McLean 11:21

I said, all right, I got an idea and I take the case of beer and I walk over to the original black guy that gave us the directions and I go thanks for the fucking information. I gave him a case of beer. It was Christmas time. It was Christmas time for this guy, damn. He's like, damn Thanks. I said we got to go. All right, we got to go. That's awesome. That's just one story. Then there's the lady with no teeth.

Scott McLean 11:48

That was oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa I want to hear that story that she was. She was a freak man like she's this, older, like skinny, just like greyhound bus station rap, and she was on the bus, right, and this is like 84 and she's just like this little thing. But it had started like something. She was mouthy, she was very mouthy, right, and she just starts firing off at one of these dudes from Michigan and they get into this fucking, like this argument, and it's hilarious, right, it's hilarious. And then she was not backing down, like it just was going and we're just enjoying this show and she's sitting right in front of me and, like it just eventually dies down.

Scott McLean 12:33

The bus gets dark, it's the same night, it's just right, I was the same after, and uh, and I, you know, just kind of chilling, and I'm sitting in the row in the aisle seat and everything's quiet. You hear the hum of the bus and dude sleeping, my roommate sleeping next to me, these guys, and all of a sudden, like I wasn't sleeping, I was just looking, just all of a sudden I see these fingers come over the top of the chair, be in front of me, it was like it was like the golem right and I see, like dude, I'm not making this up, I wouldn't look the head.

Scott McLean 13:08

I see the head rising above a fucking slow motion like she's creeping up the fucking chair and she looks and says no, she said I wish that's what she said she says to me, have you ever had a gum job?

Spring Break Adventures in Fort Lauderdale

Scott McLean 13:25

and she smiles and she just smiled and then sleeks back down the table. My god, I was like dude. And I was like what, what I'm like that you won't believe it if I told you I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm changing my seat. Dude, it was the weirdest fucking thing. The creep up the seat like this was total. I don't know she was a, she was a character. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 13:58

But you know you take. You take one of those long, long bus rides. You're gonna meet some interesting characters oh, certainly, uh, yeah you're gonna meet some interesting, interesting characters. Yeah, I can only imagine. I mean, how long was that bus ride? And that's back in the day, in two days. It was two days. You, you had to rely on, you know, batteries and cassettes. Yeah, I mean, did you even have a walkman? I mean, like, what were you doing to entertain yourself? Nothing Aside from gum jobs.

Scott McLean 14:28

Yeah, nothing, it was talking in the sleep and that was it. There was no radio. You couldn't play anything Like no Walkman, it's 84, right? So I'm in college, I didn't have a Walkman, I didn't really need it, and so it was just. And then it was just and then it was the. The illusion. The big illusion happened on day two, the big sign that says welcome to florida. And you're like yeah, we're here, we're here.

Scott McLean 14:58

Little did we know that that's another four and a half hours at least to get to Fort Lauderdale. Then there's this there was no means of communication other than landlines back then. Right and so smooth. Our friend Jimmy Boudreaux he was down here already and now, mind you, me and my roommate had nowhere to stay. We didn't have a hotel, right. We just got on the bus to go right. And so I said, all right, he's going to meet us at the bus station in Fort Lauderdale. But there's two bus stations and I'm like, oh, this is a 50-50 at best. So what if we get there and he's not there? Like, what do we do from there? Fortunately, we get off the there and he's not there. Like, what do we do from there? Fortunately, you get off the bus and he's standing there. It was the right bus station. And we proceeded to crash in his room. I slept in some room with these bunch of guys from Oklahoma. We just I was transient guy, like transient guy, and it was, it was. It was a great spring break back when spring break was like rocking and rolling and at its high point down here in Fort Lauderdale. It was a great spring break back when spring break was like rocking and rolling and at its high point down here in Fort Lauderdale, it was crazy.

Scott McLean 16:09

I got off the bus. We get to the hotel that Smooth is staying at. I don't even get out of the park Like I don't even get to the. There's a car comes by and the trunk is open and there's a dude sitting in the trunk like legs hanging out, and I'm like hey, what's up? Dude, he goes. You want to go for a ride? Yeah, okay, I don't know where I am, I don't even know what hotel it is. Jump in the back of the trunk, dude hands me a bottle, start drinking and we just did the whole up and down, a one, a, you know, it was insane. Unfortunately, they took me back to where they dropped, but they picked me up. It was very nice of them, it was very white of them to do that. So there's a lot of racially charged.

The Beatles' Legacy and Dynamics

Scott McLean 16:55

Yeah, no, no, you started it. Um. So yeah, there was a lot of stories ago in that week, I can tell you that. But so good times, good times longest bus trip you ever took what, what was it?

Speaker 3 17:08

I, uh, I it's not that long. When we went down to live aid, we took a bus from boston to philly.

Scott McLean 17:17

It was nothing I was gonna say yeah, it's probably. You either went to new york or philly or something like that yeah, the the longest trip that I ever took, like that.

Speaker 3 17:25

I took a train from St Louis to Los Angeles. That was three full days.

Scott McLean 17:33

Yeah, that's a long train ride. Yeah, that was crazy, yeah, but there's no like toothless people that look like Gollum that want to give you a gum job on a bus.

Speaker 3 17:44

No, people that look like gollum that want to no, give you a gum job on a bus. No, I was, uh, I was in. I was in. I was in the first class section, oh, fuck you. That's what do you mean fuck?

Scott McLean 17:53

you, fuck you. What are you talking about? I just said I was on the chain, but no, you have to say I was in the first class, I was in the well, I'm just saying it wasn't.

Speaker 3 18:02

I'm just saying it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad, yeah, because you were in the first class section.

Scott McLean 18:08

We're sitting on the wooden chairs in the back like Jethro Bodine. They got ropes for seat belts. Yeah so what's been going on, Jack? What's been going?

Speaker 3 18:20

on. Do you know what I did today? What'd you do the first time that I've done this since 1982? Oh, I bought four tickets to go see devo wow wow, coming to boston 50th anniversary tour of devo is it's?

Scott McLean 18:41

still around? Yeah, original lineup.

Speaker 3 18:47

Whoever's left. I know that at least one of them has passed.

Scott McLean 18:51

Well, it's not Mark, mothers, because then it wouldn't really be Devo. No, mark is still there. And is his brother still?

Speaker 3 18:56

there. My favorite Devo story is when they played I think they played Max's Kansas City in New York City back in 1979 or or so may, 78, 79, something like that and they were in their van. They were actually almost like a greyhound bus barnstorming across the united states and they played max's kansas city and a head popped in the van and said are we not, not men? We are Devo. And it was John Lennon. Yeah, I love that story, yeah.

Scott McLean 19:30

I saw a clip today of an interview, an old interview, with George Harrison. It's fascinating and he was talking about you know what? Let me, I'm going to see if I can play this. It's a short clip, Let me see. It was. I'd never heard him kind of talk like this. Let me see.

Speaker 3 19:55

Is this where he kind of is bitching about John Lennon?

Speaker 4 20:00

Yeah, let me see. John Lennon said he was really hurt by you that you never mentioned in your autobiography any of the influence that he had on you. He was annoyed because I didn't say that he had written one line of this song. Taxman, did you tell him that? Well, I didn't, because he was already dead after that. But the point to that was that I also didn't say how I wrote two lines to Come Together or three lines to Eleanor Rigby. You know I wasn't getting into any of that. I think in the balance I would have had more things to be niggled with him about than he would have with me. But he said that you idolized him as a young boy, that you thought Well, that's what he thought and you didn't. Well, I liked him very much, he was a groove, he was a good lad, but at the same time he misread me. He didn't realize who I was, and this was one of the main faults of John and Paul.

Scott McLean 20:56

John Lennon said he was Boom, john and Paul. I don't know what year that was he was relatively young and it was after Lennon died.

Speaker 3 21:08

Well, you know what I mean. I think we've talked about this before. But that whole Peter Jackson documentary, you know, get back with the whole, let it be. You know, sessions, at least I could clearly see that it wasn't Yoko that broke up the Beatles. I think they were done, and more so than anybody george harrison was. He was so done because he was, you know, third, third person in line right, lennon and mccartney. You were never going to be able to outdo them, outshine them or whatever in his brilliance. And he was a great songwriter. Uh, was, you know, kind of put on the back burner and, you know, put behind the curtain and he got his one song or two songs, you know, per album and you know, and that was the end of it. And he was sick of it, didn't want to tour, he didn't even want to play on the roof. When they did that famous thing on the roof, he did not want to do that at all. He was like, why would we do that?

Scott McLean 22:06

right, right, um, so there's kind of a a comparison that I have here. Some years back, research showed that the infamous judas didn't really betray, right, there was this whole thing that the whole thing was kind of warped over time, that Judas didn't really do what he was accused of, which was, you know, kind of rat out Jesus. He was actually trying to warn him. But the Judas symbol you know, the logo, the, the slang or whatever the moniker will never be changed, right, it's. It's just embedded in history that you're a traitor, you're judas, right? I think that yoko kind of might be part of the judas complex. So, okay, she has the bad rap. She was a pain in the ass, john, let it happen. But now you're starting to hear or I know you've heard this, I don't even know if we've ever talked about it, but now you hear all the mumblings that it really wasn't that much Yoko, as much as it was.

Scott McLean 23:22

John did not want to or could not compete with Paul the infamous. He writes 10 songs. Now I have to write 10 songs and they used to, they used to fight. It wasn't the albums, it was about the singles. Who gets side a right? So I think the biggest diss on john was. Well, you know, strawberry fields gets the, I guess, gets side a penny lane gets the b side right. One of those deals uh, mccartney would always seem to get the a side of the single and I think john was just couldn't keep up with that and that was a big part of the starting to back off and like, ah, I don't want to fucking do this anymore Because John was an egomaniac, he was definitely a narcissist.

Speaker 3 24:14

I think in order to be in any band, in order to be in any type of performance, you do have to have a healthy ego. But John definitely had a big ego and he was always recognized as the leader of the Beatles and there's no question in those later days, paul McCartney was, was the creative force, he was the one that that, oh yeah, absolutely.

Scott McLean 24:41

I never looked at it that way. I never looked at it that way, I never looked at him.

Speaker 3 24:44

He was undoubtedly, absolutely the motivating leader of the Beatles in the early days. But as time went by, you know, paul kind of came into his own, not that he wasn't before, but he really. I mean again, if you watch, if you watch that, get back. You know, let it be documentary. Paul's just, he's just in the zone, he's rattling stuff off and you know John is is distracted, you know, with.

Speaker 3 25:17

I mean they always talk about the other Beatles, always talk about that. It was Paul. Toward the end we got to get back in the studio time to go to work. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. There was a.

Scott McLean 25:28

There was a big, big shift yeah, and I I think that uh, john got lazy and he couldn't keep up with Paul and it shows in their solo work.

Scott McLean 25:41

Paul was a machine when and I've said this a hundred times on this podcast and in other conversations that paul you could, you can always tell when somebody leaves a band and they put out like this great music for a couple years that was, I believe those are catalog songs that they just had written, that just didn't make it in with the band or were being written in the middle of the breakup of the band and it's kind of residual from being in the band. They're in that creative kind of mold and I think morrissey is a good example of that. When he left the smiths he was on fire like for a couple of albums and I think he had that leftover type of residual uh mentality and and drive. And I think once you go solo and it settles, the dust settles and I could be totally wrong here. When the dust settles you change everything, kind of shifts. There's no pressure anymore, there's no internal pressure from other members in the band or to lead the band or the competition that those two had.

Speaker 3 26:44

You agree yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, look, I probably like you. When I was a kid, I was like, oh my god, the beatles. It's so shitty that they broke up. You know, like, oh my god, it would be amazing to for them to get back together. It was, it was perfect. The way that it happened, you know, quite, quite honestly, did what they did and they had to go their separate ways and to do their things. I mean, obviously, nobody wanted to see what happened to John, but they started and ended. It's almost like the police. They took it to a certain point and that was the end of it.

Scott McLean 27:27

It's interesting that you mentioned them because lately I've been seeing and watching a lot of Stuart Copeland little reels on on, say, facebook, and they're always interesting because he's an interesting cat, you know, and he always has a lot to say. That was part of his problem with Sting is he's mouthy. He's very mouthy. Right, he was the American in the group, exactly exactly, and he started the group and his father managed the group and his brother did the finances for the group, right.

Scott McLean 27:59

His brother managed the group. The brother managed the group. Yeah, the father was his company. Didn't he back them or something like that he had?

Scott McLean 28:05

he probably had something to do with it, because he got mentioned by sting, uh, during some award ceremonies, the father and the brother.

Scott McLean 28:12

But, um, so you hear stewart copeland who back in the day, uh, when the police broke up, he they hated each other like he would any chance he got.

Scott McLean 28:24

He was digging sting like, throwing jabs at him, because sting became like a bigger entity than he was with the police in his solo work. I don't think there's any denying that he really went to the next level and his stuff. And so recently I watched these little interviews with him and he's very complimentary and he got it Like I think one of the interviews he said I finally got it that he's the guy's just a genius, he's an asshole but he's a genius Like and he would laugh about it. And so I think they had some sort of reconciliation and they, they get older and they're like you know he was my lead singer, right, and they would fight during shows and you know sting is that guy, he's that james brown guy. If there's something off, he hears it right, like he hears that offbeat, like that drum beat was wrong, right uh, but part of it is exactly what we were talking about with the beatles.

Speaker 3 29:25

Remember, and you just you just said it a couple of seconds ago in the early, early days of the police, it was stewart copeland's band. But we, we all know from you, know the first, you know lines of roxanne. It was not stewart copeland's band, it was never going to be stew Copeland's band. No, so that power struggle, that shift kind of happens and the egos get in the way. I'll tell you one band where that hadn't happened, and maybe a lot of people don't know this but the principal songwriter and the creative drive behind Pearl Jam was not Eddie Vedder back in the early days, it wasn't, it was Stone Gossard. Right, it was Stone Gossard, he was the principal songwriter, he was the guy and I think it took, after maybe the second album, that Stone Gossett had to kind of take a very comfortable back seat yeah, well, I think it's the same for the who.

Scott McLean 30:36

the who was was pete townsend's band, right, and most of the time it wasn't. But I grew, grew up like when I started listening to them, when I really caught on to them, I always thought it was Roger Daltrey's band, right, because the lead singer usually takes all the attention and usually they're the ones that you know blah, blah, blah. Until I didn't find out until later that he, it wasn't Roger Daltrey's band, it was always Pete Townsend's band, right, it was never Roger Daltrey's band, it was always Pete Townsend's band. Yeah, it was never Roger Daltrey's band Never.

The Who's Music Legacy and Impact

Scott McLean 31:08

Pete Townsend is actually. That covers something that I talked about last week, that band members that are more popular than the lead singer, and I think that's a good example. Pete Townsend, I think, was more popular than Roger Daltrey. Sure, right, we can say arguably. We can say arguably. Maybe some would say, well, no, because he's the face of it. You know Daltrey and the long blonde hair and the curly hair and you know Tommy, he was in the move. But I think that if you asked the average who fan, they would say Pete Townsend. You know he still sang some of the songs. He wrote mostly everything right, did they do it? Were they like, uh, uh, were they like richards and jagger, or was it pete townsend?

Speaker 3 31:56

and then a lot of it was no, no, no and that and that's. That's why it was one of the primary reasons why they went on tour in 1989. Uh, because entwistle was pretty much out of money. Yeah, because he didn't have any of the. He didn't have any of the publishing yeah, again he was out of money. Again, he was out of money.

Scott McLean 32:19

The boy liked cocaine yeah, and every time and I heard that story I think pete thompson said he said every time, uh, john would run out of money, he'd say we got to go on tour again. I need money and so they would do it like that was their brotherhood. We would do it, we'd go on tour, even if we didn't really want to. But when you get there, when that guy's your bass player, absolute genius, right. Probably one of the most underrated musicians I don't know john entwistle he I don't know that he was underrated.

Speaker 3 32:55

I think he's incredibly.

Scott McLean 32:56

He's underrated when you're in the who he's? Well, he's. He's that, george harrison, maybe of I, I was.

Speaker 3 33:03

I always loved the fact that that like was a bigger character than john entwistle yeah, I, I always loved that. You know the fact, the. You know I think it was p townsend that said something along the lines, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit. He was like there was always heavy competition between me and keith and then roger would get into it, but roger would just lose. It was like, and john john wasn't even in the game.

Speaker 3 33:28

Yeah, you know because he'd be, you know, standing over there and, by the way, you know, the who is a prime example. Like you and I've had multiple conversations about an artist or a band having a creative arc and the who is is regarded as like a legendary band. Right beatles stones, the who is right up there. Yeah, but what was the last great who album?

Scott McLean 33:50

Probably who Are you back in? What was that 80? What did you?

Speaker 3 33:56

call it. So that was 78. 78. 77, 78. Would you call that a great album?

Scott McLean 34:03

I love. The Trick of the Light is still one of my favorite who songs.

Speaker 3 34:07

There's some great stuff. I mean to me to me. I think who Are you is probably an underrated album, yeah, yeah, but I think it was definitely, at least for me, a step down from the glory days of Tommy and who's Next. Sure, those were massive albums.

Scott McLean 34:25

Those were rock operas, those were big production albums they were. You know, this was a straight rock album, like who by numbers. What did you think of that album? No right, so it's part of the okay it's part of the arc that you're saying so it's okay, but it's lesser than who are you, or more than who are you I think who are you is better.

Speaker 3 34:46

Yeah, I think it's actually got some better songs on it, right right, but I I think I think the last great who album was quadrophenia in 73, really wow, I mean it's a great album.

Scott McLean 34:58

I'm not. I love quadrophenia. Yeah, out of my brain on the 515 is great. That was my favorite song. Who sung for a long time? For a long time? Um, the movie was great. Sting with sting bell boy I gotta get running down yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 35:21

Keep a lip button down.

Scott McLean 35:24

Exactly.

Jack Calabrese 35:26

Carry the bloody baggage out.

Scott McLean 35:28

So then okay, so say they had three great albums. What makes them iconic, then? Is it their persona, their live shows, the albums. The music was good. It's above average. It was better than a lot of the other shit.

Speaker 3 35:42

I just think some of that early stuff was so big and so iconic that it, that it carries them and they and they are and they were, you know, a tremendous, tremendous force, uh, uh, from up, from a live standpoint. Even the last couple of times I saw him, I have to tell you. So you know, look, we get the super bowl coming up on sunday yeah in the who know people kind of trash their performance.

Scott McLean 36:09

I think I don't remember them playing. What Super Bowl was that?

Speaker 3 36:12

I think they kind of got screwed. I don't think they were nearly as bad as people make them out to be.

Scott McLean 36:18

Well, you get. So that's a whole. Nother conversation about the crowd that watches a Super Bowl halftime show, right? Um, there's a lot of people that hated the one. What was it, I don't know. Two years ago, when you had jay-z and you had 50 cent, you had oh see I thought, I thought that was really good, right.

Scott McLean 36:37

But so this is the thing every every halftime show gets panned like no matter who it is like there's people that dog, the u2 one, which is considered maybe one of the best, is like there's people that dog, the u2 one, which is considered maybe one of the best ones ever. There's people that criticize the prince halftime show, like it just. But so I I don't take those criticisms with for anything. I don't, I don't, I don't pay any attention to those because are you?

Speaker 3 37:01

are you excited? Are you excited at all to watch the Kendrick Lamar halftime show?

Scott McLean 37:07

Not really. I very rarely watch halftime. I think maybe the last halftime show I did watch was Prince in Miami.

Speaker 3 37:20

That long ago.

Scott McLean 37:21

I don't really pay attention to halftime shows.

Speaker 3 37:24

You just said you watched the one with Jay-Z. I watched.

Scott McLean 37:29

It's on in the background right, it's on in my TV over here, but I'm in this part of the room, the kitchen, it's a kitchen living room, whole big thing. I'm not sitting in front of it watching it. I'm not, like you know, looking at it and kind of taking it in. Uh, for I don't really do that with halftime shows. I, I just want to see the game. I really just want to see the game. You know, uh, I hear it. I might watch bits and pieces of it, but for the most part I don't pay much attention to them because it's no matter what it's going to be, it's going to get slammed.

Speaker 3 38:07

So, yeah, you're at europe you're, you're a big football fan. I just saw bill burr I think it was an older clip where he's complaining. He was like I fucking hate super bowl parties. He was like I, I hate him. He was like you know, you're in a room full of people, everybody talks through the game, yeah, and and through the commercials everybody's like oh, shh, yeah, exactly, oh, that was funny, that was funny. That was funny.

Scott McLean 38:30

And most people don't that are watching aren't football fans? They don't get what's going on Like they'll scream and they'll talk and like. So I know for. So the Patriots first Super Bowl with Brady, when they won, I had a party at my house and it was a big party and it was all these guys from work, lady girls from work. And then I had one again and then I had one. The last party I had was when they lost to the Giants. I believe it was probably the second time they lost to the Giants. I was still living in Hollywood and literally when the game was over there was probably 20 people there.

Speaker 4 39:12

I said everybody out and they were like they all looked at me and I go everybody out Done.

Scott McLean 39:19

Party's over, like I'm not fucking hanging around and listening to people fucking have a good time when I am suffering over here and they're all fucking eating my food. I think I even said don't even stop to get food, Just fucking party's over. That became legendary at work.

Big Game Predictions and Superstitions

Scott McLean 39:36

That was a story on Monday or Tuesday. When people showed up he literally stopped everything and said everybody out. I kicked and I never had another fucking super bowl party when the patriots played again. I watched it alone, I watched them alone. Now I got some people coming over sunday. I got a couple couples and you know, my son has a friend coming over. There will be about eight of us, eight or nine of us, you know, and that's fine, that's cool, you know, but for the most part.

Speaker 3 40:08

I mean, do you even care? I mean, do you think it's going to be much of a game?

Scott McLean 40:11

Yeah, I think it's going to be a good game. So the thing I have I'm thinking on this, there's a couple things is all eyes are on the refs. Kansas City just has that reputation of getting the favorite calls and it happened in the AFC championship game and it's just going to be even more scrutinized. So I'm interested in seeing how that plays out. Number two they beat the Eagles a few years ago in the Super Bowl and the Eagles are back now. The Patriots beat the Eagles in the first time they played in the Super Bowl. The second time the Eagles came out they beat the Patriots. So I'm interested to see if Philadelphia will rise to that occasion again.

Scott McLean 40:44

And I really do want to see Philadelphia win the Super Bowl. I'm not a big fan, but I have a lot of friends from Philly, from South Philly and so, and I have like two friends from Kansas City and I don't really want to see. You know I'm a Brady fan, right? So as a New England fan, you don't want to see Patrick Mahomes win again. That's now. He's not considered anything great Like he's not getting into Tom Brady territory yet he's in.

Speaker 3 41:10

Yeah, but they're already talking about it.

Scott McLean 41:12

Yeah, and that's what they do. They talk about it, so they can pretty much they have something to talk about. But, julie, no, gronk said it perfect In a recent interview. He said all right, listen, everybody's talking about Patrick Holmes and GOAT. He's not in GOAT conversation yet. Tom Brady is the GOAT. Tom Brady won three out of four Super Bowls, took 12 or 13 years off and then did it again. Won three out of four. That's the GOAT. When he does it 13 years later, 12 years later, later, it does three out of four again, that's the goat. But everybody's going to want to put the. You know, oh, my homes went three in a row, that's great. Win three in a row, I, I, you know. Good for you, that's great. But you're not tom brady buddy. Now, I'm not taking anything away from patrick holmes, am not?

Speaker 3 42:02

a Patrick Holmes hater? No, he's an incredible athlete, good dude.

Scott McLean 42:05

Stays out of trouble, keeps his mouth shut. Good dude Doesn't get all, like you know, he's a good kid from a good family and good for him. I enjoy watching him play, but that's my Super Bowl talk. As far as the show, again, I don't care about the halftime show. Yeah, so you told me recently that you're going to, since you took offense to me calling you an EDM poser. You took offense to that.

Speaker 4 42:38

I did take offense to it.

Scott McLean 42:39

What's the news you got for us, Jack?

Speaker 3 42:41

You know it's not really news, it's just. You know, like you accused the way it's, it's, it's not really news, it's just. You know, like, you accused me of not having an appreciation for electronic dance music and you know, you challenged me on it and I mentioned the band dirty vegas and you're like, oh my god, dirty vegas, would you know, could you go back any fucking further? Then you know, dirty vegas, they haven't been around in you know 20 years. Don't tell me you're an electronic dance fan, so why don't you say Mozart?

Scott McLean 43:08

And I don't think Dirty Vegas was EDM, I think they were more like industrial-type sound music.

Speaker 3 43:15

Yeah, I think that's a pretty narrow line, like that Nine Inch.

Scott McLean 43:17

Nails-type sound.

Speaker 3 43:20

In any event, since that conversation, and because I had actually looked up Dirty Vegas on Spotify, I got trapped into the algorithm. Yes, and I've been listening to a ton of electronic dance music Every time I go to the gym. It's EDM, where I'm kind of like bouncing around, I love it, right. So much so. And I don't know if you're a fan or if you even know this band or not, but I actually grabbed tickets for deb and I to go see rufus de soul at the xfinity center in mansfield, which is, I'm thrilled for them in some regard, uh, but you know, I don't know how many people the xfinity center holds, but it's pretty much sold out.

Scott McLean 44:06

Edm shows they're fun to be at. The light shows, the whole thing. Big productions, Big productions. But I played this song last week. The group is called Boy Deluxe. They're from LA. This beats sick.

Jack Calabrese 44:25

Listen, they're from LA. This beats sick. Listen, it's my shit. I don't care if they stare. I'm in it. Move my hips.

Scott McLean 44:36

Bite my lip, close my eyes. Won't deny I love it. Yeah, and the song is called Sanctuary. And there's some good EDM right here. Yeah, it's a duo from la. She's a pretty little thing, this one take me to the dance floor, baby yeah, do you like this?

Jack Calabrese 45:23

I do like that, yeah.

Scott McLean 45:27

I'm telling you people they sleep on this shit. I love this shit, man. I love it as well. I get my synth fix.

Speaker 3 45:38

By the way, the Xfinity Center, which used to be the Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts. So it's outdoors. Originally it started it was a 12,000 seat venue Right, and now it expanded it's 19,900. So 20,000 people. Wow, that's not bad. You want to hear something absolutely disgusting. Is that outdoors?

Scott McLean 46:01

Is it an amphitheater? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's got a roof over the seats and all that, but it's like yeah, like the lawn is okay, you know there's, there's no cover over it or anything like that.

Speaker 3 46:12

Yeah, but here's, here's one of the things that's disgusting and it's just we've talked about this and it's kind of like sign of the times or whatever. So I bought two tickets. They're not even sitting together. I'm gonna have to ask people to move. So Deb and I did that.

Scott McLean 46:26

We're Rob zombie.

Speaker 3 46:27

Yeah. I had the same thing but I thought I actually thought that I got a bargain because they were only $185 a piece. Yeah, but here's, here's the thing. If you think that's bad and you, you can look this up on ticket master right now. I was like, ah, you know what? One of the reasons why I hate going to the xfinity center is that it's a nightmare to get out of there. The traffic is horrendous.

Scott McLean 46:50

I remember that I do so I was like, I was like you know what, maybe we'll pay for the, the premier parking right.

Speaker 3 46:56

You know, I'll pay the 50 bucks or 60 bucks or whatever it is, here we go, so here here is. Here is your choices in terms of special parking at the Xfinity Center and I'm not kidding, you can look this up so you can park in one of the more VIP-ish lots. It's $99 to park, it's $100 to park, but that's not it. Then there's another level where it's 250 to park, 250 dollars to park your car, but that's not even the end.

Scott McLean 47:33

But wait, there's more wait, there's more.

Speaker 3 47:36

They actually have what they call the rock star parking lot. Oh, it is a thousand dollars oh my god, it is a thousand dollars. Oh, my god, it is a thousand dollars. To park your car, what, after spending, you know, four hundred dollars, just for the tickets. Yeah, that it's just. It's just out of control, like that how do?

Scott McLean 48:00

how do people not complain? File a fucking complaint about that. That's price cut. You don't hear here.

Speaker 3 48:06

I thought about it like deb and I were talking about, and she was like who's gonna pay a thousand dollars to to park? I was like nobody. But here's the psychology behind it when you look at that thousand dollars now, all of a sudden 99 doesn't seem so bad. You're right, just just like me with uh hey, 185 dollars for a ticket, wow, what a bargain.

Scott McLean 48:27

Yeah, it's insane I go to the amphitheater up in west palm beach. I don't know what then they. They change names like that, like tanglewood or whatever it is, changes names. Um, by the way, it'll always be the w way, it'll always be the Wang Center, it'll always be Tanglewood to me, all those. And they've gone through seven or 17 different name changes over the last.

Speaker 3 48:48

I can go further than that. So, by the way, the Wang Center is not the Wang Center, it's the Bach.

Scott McLean 48:53

Center. Yeah, that's what I mean. But it's always going to be the Wang Center to me. But even for me it's not even the wang center. It was the musical. The musical. That's right. That's right, yeah yeah, the musical.

Speaker 3 49:04

You're right. Yep, strangely enough, the musical. My mother and father saw, the who at the musical.

Scott McLean 49:10

Ah look at that right and we saw them.

Speaker 3 49:13

My dad, my dad used to tell me they literally, so you know, you talk about the group dynamics, that literally Roger Daltrey and I think Pete Townsend got in a fistfight on stage.

Scott McLean 49:26

Probably yeah. And back then concert goers were mellow, yeah, they'd go to literally just watch the show. It wasn't this rowdy. I think our generation were the ones that turned concerts into festival like indoor festivals. I remember going to the garden, right, and so say Quarter Flash opens for Bob Seger, right, okay, quarter Flash is done. Lights come up, right, bull crew comes out, stagehands are stopped, start putting taking down and putting up, and in that time it was a fucking frisbee festival. There was beach balls going everywhere.

Speaker 3 50:10

There was fucking pot smoke everywhere there was always a big cloud hanging in the middle of the arena.

Scott McLean 50:17

There was always that one dude and I know this happened. If we went to, I'll just roughly say, uh, out of 30 concerts at the garden right in our prime, say that right out of those 30, 25 of those times, there was that one motherfucker that had the m80 that would fucking on the floor and light it off and the whole played this giant explosion, the puff of smoke, and nobody flinched yeah, like nobody fucking flinched. People applauded. Right now, fast forward. Imagine if that happened in a show today. That's a terrorist act. It's literally a fucking domestic terrorist act. If you light off an m80 inside a concert it's why I would imagine a mass panic, right?

Scott McLean 51:19

Well, that's exactly right, because this generation is a bunch of pussies, right? So they're all going to run and scream and they're going to get mass hysteria and it's going to be a stampede and it's not going to be good, right? Because everyone's afraid. Back then we didn't give a fuck. It was like okay, m-80 dude is here.

Speaker 3 51:42

Did you see Bad Company at the Garden?

Scott McLean 51:45

I did. That was my actually Bad Company rock and roll fantasy tour. I believe that was my very first concert, I don't know. It was like 14, 15.

Speaker 3 51:56

Were we both 14?. Do you remember all of the fireworks at that show? Oh, I do, I do. It was constant.

Scott McLean 52:03

It was crazy, yeah, it was absolutely constant. That's right Now that you mention it. I do remember that. So what we did is we went up to the press box the old guy we used to hang the overhang where all the reporters would be. Yeah, my brother, colin fucking led this charge. We went down into those and we literally kicked like 15 people out of their seats and we took it. We took it.

Scott McLean 52:31

And got away with it. And got away with it Like no, ushers didn't want anything to do with that. Back then, like they're like nah, you don't pay me enough. No, there's 15 of them, you know what I mean. So, yeah, that was uh that, that those were the days, man, those were the days by the, by the.

Speaker 3 52:52

By the way, just because you said it, I don't I don't know if quarter flash opened for bob seger or not.

Scott McLean 52:59

I think I'm.

Speaker 3 53:00

I'm wondering if you got your shows mixed up, because Quarter Flash opened for Elton John when you and I saw Elton John.

Scott McLean 53:08

Then that's what it was, then, okay, all right. Well, you're right. For some reason, I thought it was Bob Seger.

Speaker 3 53:15

Me and I don't even remember who I went with, but it was me and whoever I was with and you and gene catazon balancing, four of us balancing on two seats yeah, in the 10th row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even like you back then, I was like jesus freaking christ I was.

Scott McLean 53:33

I wasn't in a quiet taste. I gotta balance this asshole.

Speaker 3 53:38

I, I gotta, I gotta hold on to his shoulders while Elton John is belting out your song.

Scott McLean 53:43

I was in a quiet taste back in those days. That's what Dan was saying.

Speaker 3 53:46

What do you mean back in those days?

Scott McLean 53:50

I'm a better person when I'm 61, jack, than when I was, when I was 16.

Speaker 3 53:57

I just remember you and Gene Catazon walking up. I was like oh fuck.

Scott McLean 54:02

I was his bodyguard there. It is Perry Dedivich, the AI. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 54:08

I saw Bad.

Scott McLean 54:08

Company in 79. Yep. It was Mick Relf's 35th birthday at the Garden Madison Square Garden. Nice Good show. That was a great tour man they were a good band.

Scott McLean 54:19

I think that was the rock and roll fantasy tour that summer I saw bad company. I saw kiss. I believe I saw the eagles, uh, later on, like that fall that year. Um, at the garden, it just that was like those fucking concerts were non-stop dude. Oh yeah, like we just saw the best of the best. Yeah, yeah, 81,. We saw the who, right, we saw the who, elton John, we saw what year was that? 82, 83? That was 82. 82, right.

Speaker 3 54:52

It was 82.

Scott McLean 54:54

We just never saw the Stones or Led Zeppelin Stones weren't around. No, they had done.

Speaker 3 55:01

Zeppelin obviously wasn't around floyd, floyd wasn't around right right, um, we just got.

Scott McLean 55:10

We just got the fucking best concerts back then, man yeah, they sort of you know.

Speaker 3 55:15

Look, we've talked about this before, but you know, I don't even know if queen was sold out when they played. The last time that they played the garden was at 82. I don't even know if it was sold out. I don't know. What are you doing? Are you making phone calls? Wait?

Scott McLean 55:29

a minute.

Speaker 3 55:31

You get a part-time job.

Scott McLean 55:33

Telemarketer. I get it, I'm a telemarketer. Yeah, I don't know why this isn't working. It's supposed to work. Let me check something. Hold on, I know, right, I know I'll just disconnect it. Well, alright, so I'm just going to tell you, I'm telling you right now, I'm going to tell you right now, this person, this person really wanted to, really wanted to talk to you, jack, yeah, they, they, they wanted to talk to you and uh, well, I'm trying, I'm trying to make it happen. Now, they don't want to talk to you. All right, all right, so much for that Get off. So, yeah, the, the, the back. Then it was just like we got to see everything. So much for that get off. So, yeah, back then it was just like we got to see everything.

Speaker 3 56:26

we get to see everything now you have some of these bands that are touring with no original members, by the way, just for shits and giggles. Here's a trivia question for you members that have been part of these bands, either past or present who's had more members in their band, the band yes or the band Chicago?

Scott McLean 56:56

I'd have to say Chicago you're right, so get this.

Speaker 3 57:02

I'd have to say Chicago. You're right, so get this. There have been more than 20 members of the band. Yes, since they they started, there have been more than 47 members of Chicago.

Scott McLean 57:14

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 57:15

And I would venture to guess that Chicago will still be touring long after you and I are gone.

Scott McLean 57:22

If Terry Kath lived, where would he have ranked as far as uh uh lead singers?

Speaker 3 57:30

He he was a great singer, but he was a fantastic guitar player, yeah.

Scott McLean 57:36

Yeah, as the story goes, Jimi Hendrix told uh, one of the horn players, your guitar player is better than me.

Speaker 3 57:45

Oh, he was amazing.

Scott McLean 57:46

He was amazing, but his voice his voice was insane, it was insanely good, it was strong, clear. I mean, it was a rock and roll voice. So it's funny we're talking about Chicago, because today I saw a video for the Ides of march. Right, I'm a bit I'm a sexy stranger in a black sedan and won't you jump inside my car, right, if that like in the horn section and so that's like a big like chicago kind of rip off, and then you have blood, sweat and Tears, right, who had their own thing.

Scott McLean 58:21

but like that horn section, that voice it was almost like they were like the record companies were like we want another Chicago of course and they all did a great job. Iza March, of course, didn't really have more than that hit, but Blood, sweat and Tears. I don't know if you've ever listened to their um, wait a minute, somebody's hello scott mclean and that guy named jack yeah, what do you have to say to jack?

Jack Calabrese 58:59

so, if jack, if you can hear me and I don't know if you can or not- I can, I can hear you dude, we miss you. Oh jesus, me being me and the other listeners of the show, which the other three listeners of the show and so we collectively came together and decided that we miss you. The witty banter that takes place between you and I'm a lifelong of friendship, and so you need to make it a special point to get on the show more often, cause you are disappointing to all three of your fans.

Scott McLean 59:35

Oh, he's a disappointment, okay, he's a dis. You said it right there he's a fucking disappointment, that's for damn sure.

Speaker 3 59:43

I would love to be on the show. And here's the other thing, Jack.

Scott McLean 59:45

He can hear you Todd by the way I can hear you.

Jack Calabrese 59:47

Here's the other thing, jack. Well, the problem is that in Northern California, we have like 60-mile-an-hour winds and heavy downpour, and so I don't even know if I can hear myself right now driving in my car and I love it, by the way. I love this weather, it's great. But, jack, here's the deal. Jack, if you don't show up, this guy calls me and asks me to fill in for you. And here's the deal. I can't fit in your shoes, I don't have the knowledge.

Jack Calabrese 1:00:22

You are so knowledgeable about music and I just go ba-da, ba-da, ba-da. That's all I get, and the bad part is that Scott takes none of my recommendations about what good music is. So you know please. Hey, this is it.

Speaker 3 1:00:39

First off, I appreciate the kind words. I don't much as you can jack, this is. This is well. First off, I, I, I appreciate the kind words. I don't know if you can hear me or not, but I do appreciate the kind words. I, I. You know what? As far as me being on the show more often, I'll say it right to scott in the words of my rock and roll hero, chuck berry pay me my money.

Scott McLean 1:01:00

Oh Jesus he paid me.

Jack Calabrese 1:01:04

Jack, I don't know what's going on with you. I got paid checks in the mail, you know.

Speaker 3 1:01:08

He's been screwing me for years. The early days of this podcast. I don't know what he did with it All that hot sauce money days of this podcast. I don't know what he did with it all that hot sauce money that you know. Instead of paying me, he was buying life-size Spiderman and Iron man statues. You know he was just taking the money and blowing it. You too.

Jack Calabrese 1:01:33

Well, I was on two weeks in a row and with the combined total of all the money I got paid, I have enough to almost buy a pack of Hubba Bubba bubble gum.

Speaker 3 1:01:42

Oh my God, I miss Hubba Bubba.

Scott McLean 1:01:45

This motherfucker Jack. This guy pays me, he pays me to put him on the show, and then he flips it on me. He sponsors the show, like silently. He's like you got to put me on the show, though, and so I do. And he's like, oh look, scott calls me, and then I, he wants me on the show now.

Jack Calabrese 1:02:04

No, it's it's hey, hey. I got one thing, though, jack. I think I lasted longer than any episode you've ever been on. I was on for an hour and one minute, so why? Why? Anybody want?

Speaker 3 1:02:16

to listen to this shit for more than 30 minutes.

Scott McLean 1:02:25

Why would anybody want to listen to?

Speaker 3 1:02:28

this shit more than a half hour, because it's quality shit right here.

Jack Calabrese 1:02:33

Emphasis on the shit part.

Speaker 3 1:02:34

No, no, this is great. I love it. I wish I were on, you know. Hopefully I get to the point where Scott is and I get to retire and put on my black socks and my flip-flops and wait for Thursday evening to come around. That's right. Unfortunately, I'm still a working slob.

Scott McLean 1:02:55

Hey, jack, how's your painting? My painting's going well, why yeah?

Speaker 3 1:03:04

Just asking, just asking your painting, my, my painting's going well. Why, yeah, not just just asking? Just ask, there's one.

Scott McLean 1:03:09

There's one behind me. I don't know if you can see it or not. Oh, that, that's a painting. Yeah, oh, oh. Okay, I thought it was a hole in the wall jack.

Jack Calabrese 1:03:19

I tried to educate scott a little on country music and he blew me off.

Scott McLean 1:03:23

Well, don't talk to Jack about country music.

Jack Calabrese 1:03:26

Well, wait a minute, that depends.

Scott McLean 1:03:29

Hey, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm sorry, jack, let me interrupt you. I did watch yesterday the Shania Twain documentary on Netflix. It's really fucking good. God bless her, no it really was God bless her man.

Jack Calabrese 1:03:50

That's a big step for you, Scott. Nice job. Big step for you, Scott.

Scott McLean 1:03:55

Did you know she's the only artist to ever have three Diamond albums in a row.

Speaker 3 1:04:00

Almost like Carly Simon.

Scott McLean 1:04:03

So Carly Simon's in the Rock Hall of Fame, but Shania Twain isn't. I don't know.

Jack Calabrese 1:04:09

I saw her live in Colorado in 1994. She opened up for George Strait and she was phenomenal. George Strait was amazing. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 1:04:19

Jack, I'm sure, look you know, look you know, trying to educate Scott on country music is all fine and well and you know, it's just one of those things where music is personal. It either touches your heart and soul or it doesn't. I really have an affection for old, like people like I don't like that old twangy country. To me that's country.

Jack Calabrese 1:04:39

Like, I don't like that old, twangy country.

Speaker 3 1:04:40

To me, that's country. I like that. Yeah, yeah, you know this overproduced lip-synchy, auto-tuned bullshit that they call country music right now.

Scott McLean 1:04:51

Not my thing. All the glitter and the big stage shows and the whole thing Nah. And.

Speaker 3 1:04:55

I get it. George Strait is an incredibly talented artist. Shania Twain is an incredibly talented artist. Shania Twain is an incredibly talented artist. But I think especially and it's not even just country, but even pop music today is such overproduced, commercialized, computerized horseshit. Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:05:13

Rock and roll, like all my favorite types of music disco, edm, rap that touches my heart. Country music is like toilet paper it can touch my ass.

Jack Calabrese 1:05:24

That's a good one. If they were singing country music in French, scott, would you listen to it? No, like that weird thing that you play.

Scott McLean 1:05:34

Bossa Nova is not French, it's Portuguese. Thank you, okay.

Jack Calabrese 1:05:40

It was something you were talking over, the whole thing oh, the EDM music.

Scott McLean 1:05:44

Yeah, yeah, hey, listen, that's better than fucking country music.

Speaker 3 1:05:49

I'll tell you that I would gladly listen to it. But, by the way, quick, cute kind of story, like I was just saying that we're going to this EDM show like our first like real EDM show, and I was like, hey, deb, we're going to this EDM show like our first like real EDM show and I was like, hey, deb, we'll get some ecstasy. I was totally kidding, right, but she was looking at me and I was like I can see what you're thinking. I can see what you're thinking. She was like what, what am I thinking? I was like you would say I'll take half.

Speaker 3 1:06:23

And she said you know what You're right.

Scott McLean 1:06:29

Yeah, not a good move when you're almost 60. You're going to be 60? No, no, 60. Who you?

Speaker 3 1:06:35

When's your birthday coming up? My birthday is in 20,. 23 days I'll be 60. Wow, what are you doing for that?

Scott McLean 1:06:46

Deb and I are going to Costa Rica Nice. Listen to some bossa nova in Costa.

Speaker 3 1:06:50

Rica. We're going to listen to some bossa nova, yeah.

Jack Calabrese 1:06:54

Todd, how old are you? 57.

Speaker 3 1:06:59

57. Ah, you're a kid. No wonder you listen to country music. You're're a kid. No wonder you listened. No wonder you listen to country music. You're just a kid, you don't know any better. All right, big head, it's part of my generation here, we go.

Scott McLean 1:07:11

He's still see. He wants he. He complains, but he wants to stay on. All right, big head, todd the wet sprocket, thanks for coming on. I'm cutting this short. I'm gonna send home. He's got to get up early. It's been over an hour. I already know he's in overtime with me, right?

Speaker 3 1:07:24

now. We haven't even gotten to any of our topics.

Scott McLean 1:07:27

I know We'll get to it next week. Patty's been waiting for the most underrated singers for three weeks now.

Speaker 3 1:07:36

Patty says she loves the show. Of course I can hang a little bit. We can talk a little bit about underrated singers, if you want. All right, we can start.

Scott McLean 1:07:44

We can start In the meantime.

Jack Calabrese 1:07:45

Todd wouldn't know anything about that so we're going to let you go, buddy. Hey, make sure you tell Jack about that underrated singer for I Set Up. My Cat's Tail.

Speaker 3 1:08:01

Oh.

Jack Calabrese 1:08:01

Jesus, goodbye. That's Scott.

Scott McLean 1:08:02

Goodbye.

Speaker 3 1:08:04

Was that the comedy stylings of Todd? That was the best he came up with A big head Todd to Ed Sprague yeah. Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:08:10

Exactly. That's the best you're going to get from him. He's as funny as a doorknob.

Speaker 3 1:08:21

It's all about the love and making the effort, brother right.

Scott McLean 1:08:24

So, um, underrated singers, right. Um, let me move this over here. Let me get this going. I know it's over here somewhere, there we go, so I have that. I have that list, right, if I?

Speaker 3 1:08:41

did I get rid of that.

Scott McLean 1:08:42

No, it's over here and I think I mentioned him earlier.

Scott McLean 1:08:47

I think I mentioned one earlier, um, terry kath. Yeah, terry, maybe he just didn't live long enough. Peter satara gets all the credit for being the singer right of chicago. He gets all that because he had longevity, but in the end, if he didn't die, that band would never have really gone in that direction. No, you know. No, although it was their money maker though it was their fucking it was probably financially the best thing they ever did you know that whole, that whole terry kath story is just.

Speaker 3 1:09:20

It's crazy, hot, heartbreaking and stupid. Yeah, yeah, as stupid as I remember. Do you remember when it happened?

Scott McLean 1:09:29

I remember when it happened I do remember when it happened. I don't remember much about it, but I do remember when they announced it on the radio that he was dead yeah, I remember, I remember seeing it in the boston globe really, oh yeah interesting.

Speaker 3 1:09:43

Yeah, yeah, yep yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep all right, give me an underrated singer so, uh, I'll tell you where I would start, and he's a hero of mine and we've talked about it a lot, but I think he does not get the credit that he deserves as a singer. Is p townshend not, you know, not the least not the lead singer of the band?

Speaker 3 1:10:06

yeah but you know the stuff that he sings on I I love his voice. There's a sincerity in his voice. You know he's he doesn't have the vocal range that you know roger daltrey does, but I love Pete Townshend not only as a guitar player.

Scott McLean 1:10:24

A good example of his singing. Which song is a good example of his singing? Slit Skirts. Yeah. That's a perfect example of the range that he goes from I was just 34 years old and I was still wandering in a haze right To Slit Skirt, slit slit skirt, jenny, and he goes real, big, like he goes real. And so he shows all his range in that song and which is part of the the.

Speaker 3 1:10:51

You know the appeal of that song, right technically he's not a great singer, but there's something unique about his voice that that I really, even in some of the who songs, um, eminence front, yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, there's, there's just, there's just something about Pete Townsend. Not the greatest guitar player in the world, but there's something unique about the way that he plays guitar and something about the way that he sings just touches my soul. So that's that's my first choice is pete townsend. All right, I'm going with top that motherfucker.

Scott McLean 1:11:27

Oh, I will and I'm going to, and you'll agree with me. Um, this band is more known to be a big big guitar band, a big big sound band, and the lead singer never, ever got any credit for the great fucking voice that he has, and his name is Klaus Mayne.

Speaker 3 1:11:50

From the Scorpions. Scorpions, yeah, very unique voice, that big fucking big voice, not only big voice.

Scott McLean 1:12:00

In another, the song there's nobody Like you again shows his range. He goes from being a real singer to the big screamer and the big heavy voice, but never gets any credit. It's because the band is so big and the songs are so powerful and they're like almost anthems, you know.

Speaker 3 1:12:21

But his voice is pure what did you say? His name was?

Scott McLean 1:12:25

Klaus Mein.

Speaker 3 1:12:26

Klaus Mein yeah you know it's funny. You know it's funny, I mean he does. He has like a big, powerful voice. Do you know how tall he is?

Scott McLean 1:12:40

according to the videos, he's like 5 videos. He's like 5'6".

Speaker 3 1:12:43

He's not 5'6", he's 5'4" Wow.

Scott McLean 1:12:49

Wow, that's three inches bigger than I'm only 5'1". I got a pain in my neck. Is Iggy Pop a good singer?

Speaker 3 1:13:06

He's not technically a good singer, but it's good for what he does. He's good. He's good for what he does. But, by the way, talk about another and this isn't one of my, my choices, but you know, ronnie James Dio good big, very powerful voice. Again 5'4" yeah.

Scott McLean 1:13:23

Dave Phillips, king of the 45s. I mentioned Terry Kath earlier. Yeah for a big voice.

Speaker 4 1:13:28

Yeah, another little guy with a big voice.

Scott McLean 1:13:31

All right, another little guy with a big voice, eric Burden. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Little dude big voice. Little man, big man, little coat. Little man, big voice. Give me another voice, underrated.

Speaker 3 1:13:51

So this is a controversial one and we talk about them more than we should talk about them. But I have to say, you know, the first person that I thought about when you kind of threw this out was david lee roth. You know, big, hugely successful, but he was always been criticized for his vocal limitations by so much, so much, so much so that they almost fired him in the early days of van halen, yeah, but, but that band never would have been what they were without his vocals so is that I wouldn't rate him as underrated.

Scott McLean 1:14:26

Then I think he, he, he made his his vote.

Speaker 3 1:14:29

His vocal, his vocal abilities. I think he is underrated for what he brings to that band and I think, and I told go ahead. I told you it would be a little bit controversial.

Scott McLean 1:14:42

Dave Phillips King of the 45, says Paul Rodgers. Paul Rodgers isn't underrated.

Jack Calabrese 1:14:48

He is not an underrated singer.

Speaker 3 1:14:53

We're talking about underrated lead singers, and nobody has ever Paul Rodgers. Hey, why don't we say Frank Sinatra was an underrated?

Scott McLean 1:14:58

singer yeah, yeah. What was I just saying? I lost my train of thought. What were you just talking about? What did you say?

Speaker 3 1:15:07

Well, I was talking about David Lee Roth.

Scott McLean 1:15:09

Oh, so a great example of his style changing is between Van Halen 1 and Van Halen 2. I think his voice got better on Van Halen 2.

Speaker 3 1:15:22

They made him take vocal lessons.

Scott McLean 1:15:25

Yeah, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 1:15:27

They made him take vocal lessons, beautiful girls, right?

Scott McLean 1:15:32

I think that's a good example of his range right yeah, range right um yeah uh. How about is brad delp underrated?

Speaker 3 1:15:48

no boston no no okay, I'm just, I'm just, that's just throwing it out there I mean he is is as much of like, uh, tom schultz's guitar sound and the clean sound. And God remember, they got lambasted because they used computers for their first album. So much so that on their second album it said on the back of the album no computers were used. But Brad Delp was such a strong singer and such a unique singer but did he get credit, Like did he get the recognition?

Scott McLean 1:16:26

Or did Boston as a band get the recognition, Like no one else said oh, brad Delp is a standout singer.

Speaker 3 1:16:34

No, I think they fell into that latter 70s corporate arena rock genre, right. So, uh, you know boston, foreigner sticks, you know ario speedwagon, you know all of those bands, even journey back in the day. Those bands were technically really proficient, they knew what they were doing. But you know, if you went up to the average person today and said, hey, you familiar with the band boston, you may get some people that say, yeah, I remember them. If you could actually have them.

Scott McLean 1:17:09

Name anybody in the band exactly it would be a surprise to me exactly. So that's what I mean is brad delp and under we we he's great, so we can't look at it from our perspective of what we know right, but on average is Brad Delp an underrated singer like he never mentioned, like as he mentioned in any conversations I I I think it would be safe to say he was a better lead singer than a lot of fucking bands in that time and now it was it the longevity thing? Was it because boston did one album, then two album, that took fucking x amount of years to do the third album and he just never really caught that fire of, wow, that's a great lead singer.

Speaker 3 1:17:55

Well there's, you know there's therein lies like the separation of. You had the Beatles and the stones and and the who and Led Zeppelin and queen, where everybody knew the members of the band. They had a uh, they had a uh, uh, uh a persona about them. They had a history about them. They were compelling. You know they were personalities. They got arrested. There was, you know, there was Altamont, there was Woodstock, there was all that stuff. But then when you get into like Foreigner and Styx and you know Boston, like there's no story behind those bands. You know it was more corporate rock. And I think one of the things that adversely affects a guy like brad delph is that he's kind of in that category where people just they don't know the personalities behind the band. Look, that that's why. That's why people today are happy to go to vegas and see farna. They don't give a shit who's in the band, they just want to hear the songs.

Scott McLean 1:18:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. Of course it's a good point. Who do you got? Give me a name, jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 1:19:07

How about Jim Kerr?

Scott McLean 1:19:12

Jim Kerr. Jim Kerr From Simple Minds, simple Minds. Uh, jim kerr. Jim kerr from simple minds, simple minds. I, I don't know if he's underrated. I, I and I'm not gonna like. This is your, but I don't. I don't think jim kerr is an underrated. I think people know that he's a really good singer again, I think he's, I think he's he was the. The.

Scott McLean 1:19:33

The thing of simple mind still is right yeah I think videos help that, whereas boston didn't have any videos, but I I think if anybody was talking about 80s singers, simple mind is going to come up. Simple minds is going to come up right, I just I think.

Speaker 3 1:19:53

I think he's a better singer than people give him credit for so I think that's what we're kind of talking about here.

Scott McLean 1:19:59

You know what I mean. I think that that's kind of in the category of where we are. Uh, let me see paul diciana. That's my buddy right there, pablo, what's up? Buddy from vegas speaking of dirty vegas, he is fucking dirty ve, or he's dirty in Vegas. I'll just tell you that. He says still sings well to this day, unlike many artists.

Speaker 4 1:20:20

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:20:20

Jim Kerr.

Speaker 4 1:20:22

They're going on tour this year.

Scott McLean 1:20:23

Dave Phillips, King of the 45s, could not fucking help himself and give a fucking Rob Thomas fucking shout out. No, Dave Phillips King of the 45s. No, Rob Thomas is not an underrated great singer because he's not even in the category of great lead singer. So that's all there is to that. Don't argue with me, it's my show. I wish I could block some of these people sometimes.

Speaker 3 1:20:48

Come on, give me another one brother.

Scott McLean 1:20:51

Oh, I got a good one. What do you think of? Let's talk about this one with stick stays. Let's stay in our city. Benjamin or ben or never really got credit for being the kind of thing like those kind of like like christine mcvee, always overshadowed by stevie nicks but had some of the best fleetwood mac songs in their whole catalog. Benjamin or had some of the best Fleetwood Mac songs in their whole catalog. Benjamin Orr had some of the best Cars songs in their entire catalog.

Scott McLean 1:21:17

He did, but never got that like, because his voice is strong.

Speaker 3 1:21:25

But that's it. You know what the Cars actually kind of fall into that Boston foreigner category, right. I don't think so I think so.

Scott McLean 1:21:35

I think so. I think Rico Kasich had. He was they, they had like a personality.

Speaker 3 1:21:40

They were boring. No, you're saying that. You're saying that because? No, you're saying that because we were from Boston and we knew that band. But if you went to Wichita, kansas, and you asked anybody name two people in the band the Cars, you're not getting any answers. No way. So does that make the money? By the way, the other thing is that if you weren't an avid fan of the Cars like we were, there are people out there that think that the Cars only had one singer.

Scott McLean 1:22:14

Oh, that goes for more than a couple of bands. Yeah, I think a lot of people think Depeche Mode only had one singer.

Speaker 3 1:22:24

Yeah, but whether you put on Bye, bye, love or Drive or Magic, I guarantee you that there are people out there that think, oh yeah, it's the same singer.

Scott McLean 1:22:37

That's a very good point. That's a very good point, and I think that's probably one of the not this one. So let me see this song right here. This is one of my favorite Cars songs ever and it's an underrated song. Right, it is an underrated song. It's the last song on the first album of a fucking great epic album and it's the least played. It's the least played song, I think, in this whole album.

Speaker 3 1:23:15

Is the Cars first album, a flawless album.

Scott McLean 1:23:19

Yes. Yes, it is. It's absolutely a perfect album, would you agree?

Speaker 3 1:23:30

So I would agree, um, so I, I, I would agree, um, but I, I will tell you, for years, I, I actually thought that it was 99.9% a great album. And there was this. So you know, you have good times, roll my best friend's girl, just what needed. I'm in touch with your world. Don't just stop. You're all I've got tonight. Bye, bye, love, moving in stereo and all mixed up. There was one song for years that irritated the shit out of me, don't?

Scott McLean 1:24:02

just stop, hated that song so every, every perfect album has has to have a best and a worst song, but in the big picture of the album it's listenable.

Speaker 3 1:24:14

It's.

Scott McLean 1:24:14

It's listenable and and I've grown to like it a lot because deb loves that song it is so the way this album and each track was put together, like how they lined them up it. It's a rollercoaster ride. Right, yeah, I'm in touch with your world is in front of this and you're. All I've got tonight is on the other side of it. This is an absolutely listenable song.

Speaker 3 1:24:47

It's more than a listenable song. Trust me when I tell you For years and years, it was me and it's in in the. It's still you, jack, it's the, the, the verses, the verses are fine. I never liked the chorus. I thought they copped out.

Scott McLean 1:25:06

So yeah, it is, it is kind of a cheap chorus, yeah, but again, in the big picture, that would be the second or third best song on any of their other albums, I agree, other than Candio. Other than Candio, because Candio is to me a perfect album also.

Speaker 3 1:25:27

Candio's a great album and you know that's my favorite.

Scott McLean 1:25:30

I always liked the second album. You know that I'm always a fan of the second album. Even Panorama was a really strong record yes, but Don't you Stop would be the third best song on Panorama yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 1:25:43

It's all relative right. Don't you Stop is fine, but when you put it next to Bye, bye, love, it's just oh, you're All I've Got.

Scott McLean 1:25:53

Tonight follows it, so you don't really pay much attention once it's over. There's no lingering effect of it, because it goes right into you're all I've got tonight.

Speaker 3 1:26:01

Even when I had the car's first album on cd, I would always blow by that fucking song like can't do it so I don't, you, don't you stop. I'm stopping right now. No, I won't stop.

Scott McLean 1:26:15

I'm going right by you. I'm not fucking, I'm going right to you're going right to jail.

Jack Calabrese 1:26:20

Don't pass, go that's right brother, no, no, no no.

Scott McLean 1:26:24

But I knew when you were saying that. I was like it's going to be Don't you Stop, Because it is the worst song in the album. But again, in the big picture it's the third best song on everything after candy.

Speaker 3 1:26:37

Oh, and it was, and you know what?

Scott McLean 1:26:38

it was always great when they did it live well, yeah, considering they were fucking as boring as a fucking I don't know a plain slice of pizza, you know they were not.

Speaker 3 1:26:49

They were not a, they played well. But you know, and this goes back to Stones, roger Daltrey, they were a huge presence and when the cars got up there, I mean you could have put cardboard cutouts up there and it wouldn't have been much different.

Scott McLean 1:27:08

Nope, they just kind of stood there Kind of just played their instruments. Yeah, played their instruments, sang the songs, not a lot. From what I remember, I saw them. They played two nights in Boston. I forget what year that was, it was 81, maybe 81. They played two nights in a row in Boston. The second night was when I saw them and they didn't play Let the Good Times Roll, but they played all their other songs and I think the sets were kind of mixed up, a little like they kind of pepped two nights in a row.

Scott McLean 1:27:41

They play the exact same set two nights in a row for the people that would go both nights right, that's kind of how they do it, right? Yeah, um, but definitely not the most exciting band to see live. There's no standout moment that I can have from that show other than just enjoying the show. Yeah, they were, they were, they were great, they were, they were fine.

Scott McLean 1:28:03

Guy didn't show up that night, m80 guy just didn't he wasn't it was great, I mean you know like especially us from boston, we would go see the cars, and not only 15 minutes away, right 15 minutes away.

Speaker 3 1:28:17

Not only know every song they played, but almost every word. But yeah, there was never. There was never a time where I was like, oh my God, they just blew my mind Right? Hey, let me ask you, they didn't. They didn't jam, they didn't deviate from the way the song sounded on the record.

Scott McLean 1:28:36

No, no, jam. They didn't deviate from the way the song sounded on the record. No, no, let me ask you a question uh, better, better lead singer, uh for starship, marty balin or mickey thomas?

Speaker 3 1:28:45

mickey thomas think so for me.

Scott McLean 1:28:48

Oh, mickey thomas had a better voice I gotta say marty ballin had the best fucking voice. No, he had a great voice. He had a great voice.

Speaker 3 1:28:53

I got to say Marty Ballin had the best fucking voice. He had a great voice. He had a great voice.

Scott McLean 1:28:56

If only you believe, and I mean that, dude, and I'm not knocking Mickey Thomas, trust me, I like Mickey Thomas. He had a big voice, jane, and he was the 80s guy right.

Speaker 3 1:29:11

He was the 80s guy. But even Mickey Thomas, his best song was not with jefferson starship, it was with elvin bishop. Uh, fooled around and fell in love, fooled around and fell in love, yeah yeah, that one of the classic vocal performances of all time greatest one hit.

Scott McLean 1:29:28

One is all right. Elvin bishop wasn't a one hit, one of it, one. It's the hit what is this?

Speaker 3 1:29:33

what is this guy? D Dave Phillips saying Cars had multiple lead singers? Isn't that what we just fucking talked about?

Scott McLean 1:29:38

I think he's on it like a three minute delay.

Speaker 3 1:29:46

Dave, call your internet service. You're behind, brother, I'm going to go watch milk. Hold on a minute.

Scott McLean 1:29:57

Hey, did you guys know that cars had multiple singers?

Speaker 3 1:30:02

No, no, no, Scott, they had more than one. Jesus Christ. He says one of the cars got knocked out by no, I think he's talking about marty ballon?

Scott McLean 1:30:19

yeah, they did, they clocked him.

Speaker 3 1:30:21

Oh, he's fucking ran his mouth to the wrong people remember paul paul kent paul kantner, you know, got on the microphone. He was like hey, everybody just want to, just want to thank the hells angels. They just, uh, they just knocked out our lead singer and the other Hells Angel gets on the other mic and he goes hey man, let me tell you where it's at. Let me tell you where it's at.

Scott McLean 1:30:45

If there was ever a concert. If there was ever a concert, you could go back in time and just be in the right spot, just close enough, but just enough out of distance of the fucking mayhem and chaos. That would be the show to go to. To just go. This is fucking insanity, oh my.

Scott McLean 1:31:03

God, I just think there were some people that were right around that circle, right that watched the dude get murdered, right, watched the lead singer get punched the fuck out, watched the Hell's angels sit up. But there's some people alive right now that were like right in that fucking that, that sweet spot, to see it all fucking happen.

Speaker 3 1:31:24

Think of that. Give me, give me, give me shelter. That documentary like it. It is kind of scary when you think about like what happened and how bad things went. But there's such a funny moment that just demonstrates the utter chaos of that show. Like the stones are up there playing and just out of nowhere a fucking german shepherd walks across the stage.

Scott McLean 1:31:48

I forgot about you just as random as random can be dog's like yo. What's up? All right, what's up, dude? Just it's fucking passing by.

Speaker 3 1:32:09

It's gonna imagine if we stopped the speaker and pissed on it like, and just kept walking the other thing that is hilarious, right, and it's a tragic story, right, but they, the Hells Angels, they knock Marty Ballin out. I don't know if they punched him or they hit him with a pool cue or whatever it was, but then they actually cut to like a backstage area and the Grateful Dead are getting off their helicopters and there's somebody that's talking to Jerry Garcia and Phil Lesh and and they say I think it was, I think it was Phil Lesh, and they were like yeah, you know, they knocked Marty Ballin out. And and Phil Lesh is just like what, what? You know, they're beating up the band members. You know, jerry Garcia goes, oh goes.

Speaker 3 1:32:56

Oh man, that's a bummer. Oh man, oh, bummer. You know, phil leshka is just like, oh man, that just doesn't seem right. Like they don't say like, hey, we're getting the fuck out of what. They're like, right, or hey, or hey, we're not, we're not going on until they fucking fix this. They're like oh man, that's a bummer.

Speaker 3 1:33:18

Yeah, they almost go about their business they almost killed the guy from jefferson angela. That's too bad.

Scott McLean 1:33:25

Well, fuck those guys. Yeah, what time are we going on? Yeah, do we gotta get? Do we gotta do a rehearsal? What, what? Um, give me a name, give me a all right.

Speaker 3 1:33:37

So this is this is one of my favorite singers. Underrated band, underrated lead singer pat denizio from the smithereens, smithereens, yeah yeah, yeah great singer, very unique voice, very, very underrated band.

Scott McLean 1:33:52

But I, I don't think. They don't think they had that stardom. I think they were big, no, no, perry's wrong.

Speaker 3 1:33:59

The Dead didn't go because they were in the documentary.

Scott McLean 1:34:05

Ah, okay, I wouldn't fuck with the AI, though He'll get you. He can get me all he wants He'll get you. I'm telling you I don't fuck with him.

Speaker 3 1:34:15

So what are you? Why do you think I don't criticize him? I don't know. I don't know him like you know him, so I can do it he's that's.

Scott McLean 1:34:24

He's an ai dude is he gonna?

Speaker 3 1:34:26

he's gonna throw a bottle at me?

Scott McLean 1:34:27

do you ever really know an ai? That's the question. Right leo said hello leo haskell, hottest working man in chile leo haskell.

Scott McLean 1:34:34

Yeah, leo haskell. Yeah, we all love leo. We all love leo. Um, I I don't think that they had the smithereens, had the uh, had the, the level of fame to really determine if the lead singer is, if, if he's uh, underrated, you know what. Like, I don't think they had that mass appeal. I'm talking like bands that we all heard. Like you could be in that dirt water town in Oklahoma, but Todd Todd, todd, todd, our friend Todd, that was on the call.

Speaker 3 1:35:09

Big head Todd, he's saying 11. 11 was a big record for them.

Scott McLean 1:35:17

Yeah, but that was it. I mean I'm not dogging the guy, I love him, I love the smithereens, but, um, I just don't. I wouldn't put him in underrated, because there's a lot of bands out there that have good lead singers, but I'm talking in that category of of everybody knows who they are, but the lead singer just doesn't get that credit.

Speaker 3 1:35:37

And a good example and I'll say is um, roger Hodgson, hodgson, oh, from a super tramp, super tramp, yeah, by the way, perry Perry is the grateful dead are in the documentary. I don't. I actually think that he's right. I don't think they played. I think they split, but they were there, okay, yeah.

Scott McLean 1:36:01

They probably were like oh okay, dude. Then it was like that's that, or they were just going to hang out. They were just going to hang out, who knows right.

Speaker 3 1:36:08

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:36:09

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:36:11

So you were saying, roger Hudson, there's another band that most people don't know, that there was more than one lead singer for Supertramp.

Scott McLean 1:36:19

There was Roger.

Speaker 3 1:36:19

Hodgson and that other guy.

Scott McLean 1:36:21

And the other guy. Yeah, and we've had this discussion in the past and I think Roger Hodgson did go out on tour A couple times as him.

Speaker 3 1:36:31

It says Roger Hodgson from Supertramp. He had a couple of solo albums. Yeah, I can't remember the name of the song, but he actually had a. In the early early days of mtv he had a, a minor hit.

Scott McLean 1:36:47

Um, I'm gonna look it up real quick, just because I'm curious I'm gonna I want to see something here uh super tramp right so the eye of the storm so I'm looking this up as far as super tramp goes right let's see stupid, stupid, fucking band, stupid.

Speaker 3 1:37:14

Do you know why they're stupid? Why are they stupid? Because they let their egos and their personalities get in the way. How much money do you think that they've given up by not like sticking together and torn like, look, you don't have to love each other, but this is your livelihood right know what I'm looking at.

Scott McLean 1:37:34

Their greatest hits and these are the ones that are hyperlinked, but I'll just read them off School Goodbye, stranger. The Logical Song, bloody Well, right, breakfast in America. Take the Long Way Home, dreamer. Crime of the Century, rudy Ain, nobody but me from now on, give a little bit. It's raining again. Cannonball, um.

Speaker 3 1:38:03

Most of those songs came off of one album yeah right well crime they, they had a good album yeah, yeah, so we talk about like a band or a performer's creative arc. Their arc was Crime of the Century and Breakfast in America, and that was it that was it?

Scott McLean 1:38:26

That was it. So that's why I was curious. You know what? Let me look at the greatest hits and then you see it and it's like oh, okay, and if I'm not mistaken, Give a Little Bit. Or Bloody Well Right, Bloody Well Right, came out in like wasn't that like the late 70s? Isn't that one of the earlier hits.

Speaker 3 1:38:49

Yeah, I would think so. Yeah, yeah, 78, 79, something like that.

Scott McLean 1:38:52

One of the early hits and Give a Little Bit. Wasn't Give a Little Bit? Also an earlier song.

Speaker 3 1:38:59

It is yeah.

Scott McLean 1:39:00

Yeah. So I remember they were playing the Boston Garden and it was advertised on the radio by one of the radio stations. I don't know if it was WBCN or if it was one of the older radio stations back in the earlier 70s when they first broke. It was probably maybe WRKO or WVBF, whatever it was, I don't know, but they were advertising if you come dressed there was a competition to come dressed as the best super tramp You'd win a prize. So I always imagined that. I always thought what the hell would that crowd look like, because that's all we got our information off back in the day with these radio stations WRKO, wvbf, whatever it was right, wbcn. That's where we got our information. And if they were announcing there's a come as a you know, the best dressed super tramp, then everybody would be fucking doing it. Right, there'd be a huge influx of wcoz, right? Tim griffin piles in.

Speaker 4 1:40:07

Yeah, tim, that was the 80s, that that came around.

Scott McLean 1:40:11

this was in the 70s. This was the later 70s, I think, before these other radio stations took off, like WAF and all of those like the 80s.

Speaker 3 1:40:22

I always thought of that. We relied upon the radio for concert information. They would tell you when they were playing and when they were going on sale. I mean no computers. Even in the early, early days you couldn't even call to get tickets. You had to go to the box office.

Scott McLean 1:40:40

Yeah, yeah yeah, and and tickets were fucking 12.50 for a floor seat, but even before the 80s, in the 70s it it was like $8 for a fourth, it was cheap, dude.

Speaker 3 1:40:54

The first time I saw Aerosmith, I think the ticket was $7. That's, oh my God. Now we sound like the old guys. I remember when a clock bar was a nickel.

Scott McLean 1:41:04

Clock bar. Yeah, clock bar, great call, Great call with the clock bar, jesus Christ. Oh shit, is Robin Zander underrated?

Speaker 3 1:41:22

Yeah, maybe I mean look, Cheap Trick is Look. I think that you and I could actually do an episode of these type bands. There are a lot of people out there that look at cheap trick as being a really underrated band yeah but are they cheap? Trick has got some great songs. There's no question about that cheap trick was pretty consistent.

Scott McLean 1:41:44

After live at budokan they, they, they had. They had some good stuff, but if you look at their catalog there's a lot of shitty cheap trick songs out there well, again, I think that goes for, uh, for a lot of bands, like, okay, we know the hits, but you know, and, and so that was the thing when we bought an album, if we had four good songs out of nine or ten, it was a good album, right I mean you gotta give, you gotta give cheap trick credit.

Speaker 3 1:42:11

I mean how long they're still touring right. They're opening for rod for Rod Stewart here in New Hampshire this summer.

Scott McLean 1:42:17

I saw them open, for I was working at the stage Constant Security in Albuquerque. They opened for Stone Temple Pilots and they were great. How long is Cheap Trick? That was 97, right, so Live at Budokan came out in 79. Yeah, right, so Live at Budokan came out in 79?. Yeah, right About 79?.

Jack Calabrese 1:42:40

Yeah, I think yeah, 78, 79.

Scott McLean 1:42:42

I think, you're right, and they were around before that. That was the album that launched them into the stratosphere. Of course, story behind it, they had no idea that that was being recorded and that it got sent back to the States. And they came back and they were like a whole different fucking. They're on a whole different plane of success when they came back cheap trick.

Speaker 3 1:43:02

Cheap trick has been around 51 years they were.

Scott McLean 1:43:05

Are they in the rock and roll hall of fame? I don't, I don't know. Look it up, because if they're not and cheryl crow is I got a fucking problem. I got a big fucking problem. Yep, they're in. I was gonna say, yeah, they they have 2000 2016.

Scott McLean 1:43:27

yeah, they have to be honest. I would have had a major fucking problem with that. 2016. 51 years, although, unfortunately, bun isn't. You know it's the drummer, it's Joey King, aaron Smith, bun Carlos and Cheap Trick. You know, give us some other drummers that always seem to get booted out of the band.

Speaker 3 1:43:51

Oh, so here's another number quiz for you. Yeah, so two bands who has had more? Has Deep Purple had more or less lead singers than Pearl Jam has had drummers?

Scott McLean 1:44:10

I would have to say Pearl Jam's gone through more drummers than Deep Purple with lead singers.

Speaker 3 1:44:16

So it's kind of a trick question. Yeah, they've both. So Pearl Jam and most people don't know this has actually gone through five drummers. Five drummers yeah. And Deep Purple has gone through, I think five lead singers, Five lead singers.

Scott McLean 1:44:31

Ian Anderson was the best though Ian Gillum. Ian Gillum was the best. Ian Anderson was the best though Ian Gillen.

Speaker 3 1:44:33

Ian Gillen was the best. Ian Gillen was definitely the best, and Pearl Jam. I mean, in all fairness, Matt Cameron has been with them for 20 years.

Speaker 4 1:44:41

Yeah, he's the one that stayed, or whatever.

Speaker 3 1:44:44

But the early days they had a real tough time with drummers.

Scott McLean 1:44:47

So let me ask you this If he's their drummer for 20 years, is he part of the corporation? I wonder is he?

Speaker 3 1:44:53

yes, he's got bought in. He's an official, like what's his name from metallica.

Scott McLean 1:44:57

They're like we're giving you a check for a million dollars I love that scene, man they were going to give you a check for a million dollars, like that.

Scott McLean 1:45:05

The look on his face, that was unbelievable, that they caught that on film during that documentary and he was I mean, that's what a fucking amazing. You just hit a lifelong lottery. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, and the fact that his son got to come out and play with them out in him on stage a few times and got to play with other bands, because the kid is a fucking, he's a little, he's he's probably older now, but, uh, his son, what's the bass player's name?

Speaker 3 1:45:40

uh, for uh, rob, rob, trio, yeah trio.

Scott McLean 1:45:43

Yeah, true, trio, trio yeah, and then his sorry u I j o yeah, and his son played with. Uh, he played with fo. Yeah, came out, played with Foo Fighters. You know a couple songs.

Speaker 3 1:45:57

So here's the bumpy ride of drummers in Pearl Jam. So Pearl Jam formed in 1990. And they went through four drummers in like six or seven years. Matt Cameron, I think. Actually he joined in like 1998, and he's been with them since right, so there you go.

Scott McLean 1:46:21

Just popped up on the screen, leo haskell, hottest working man in show business. As you know, not a concert guy, never was. Yeah, leo wasn't really a big concert guy yeah leo, who did? Who did you? Who did you go see? They went to see he. He posted it. It was some. I can't remember who they were going to see. It's a retro act. I think it was an older Boyz II Men. I think you saw Boyz II Men.

Speaker 3 1:46:45

See if my memory serves me right.

Scott McLean 1:46:48

Did he like it? I think they did. I think he really liked it. They're cool, they're alright. I've never had a problem with did I think he really liked it? They're cool, they're all right. I never had a problem with them. I wasn't a big fan. I didn't really listen to them that much. They weren't in my purview at that time, but you know they can't deny them. They had fucking big hits.

Speaker 3 1:47:11

I have a soft spot for bands like that. There's stuff that I just it may not be the thing that I listen to or follow, but you know Don Brewer, grand Funk, oh, okay, so Don Brewer was the drummer, I believe. So he was the one that sang Some kind of wonderful, and we're an american band. So you know, there's another band right that had more than one lead singer. It was either mark farner or don brewer.

Scott McLean 1:47:43

Yeah, yeah, good, call um ian asbury from the club, from the cult.

Speaker 3 1:47:49

Very unique voice, great singer, underrated band very, very, very underrated band and singer. Big voice yeah yeah, you know.

Scott McLean 1:47:58

And stage presence yes, that dude, he could control a stage. Great, great performer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely Great performer.

Speaker 3 1:48:11

Pete Steele. Pete Steele, I think you got me on that one. Who's Pete?

Scott McLean 1:48:15

Steel, I'm going to play a song by them. Let me give you one second. All right, here we go. I went looking for trouble and boy, you know who they are.

Speaker 5 1:48:48

I found her she's in love with herself. She likes the dark and on her milk-white neck.

Scott McLean 1:49:06

I love this band man. The devil's mark. I think it starts to pick up.

Speaker 3 1:49:24

You don't know who it is yet. No, I know who this is, yeah.

Scott McLean 1:49:29

Good album cover too.

Speaker 3 1:49:37

This is the guy from O Negative right Type O Negative Big voice. He died young, didn't he?

Jack Calabrese 1:49:44

Heart attack yeah.

Scott McLean 1:49:54

Type O Negative. Yeah, yeah, pete's still big. Still big, I mean big voice, I. I think in that genre he wasn't underrated. They were like the masses of that goth, that dark goth kind of rock sound of the 80s into the 90s that I remember he was on. Uh, he was on the jenny jones show because he had posed nude for playgirl magazine. Yeah, he was this like. He was a fucking high, he had that long black hair, right jacked up, all jacked up, but he had he was from jersey. Like it was always weird listening to him talk because he had a real heavy Jersey accent. That never sat right with me is listening to these big bands, these real good, popular bands, but they're from New York Like Kiss, right, you hear them talk. You hear fucking Ace Frehley talk. He's like, yeah, so I was out there, you know doing this right, he sounds like an idiot.

Speaker 3 1:50:52

Yeah, yeah, Suho's out there, you know doing this right. He sounds like an idiot.

Scott McLean 1:50:54

Yeah, yeah. And Pete Steele, like that New Jersey act, like it never fucking sat right with me, these big bands, and they got that stupid fucking, like it's not stupid, it's the New York accent, it's like it just never meshed with me. Yeah, it was always weird. Now, the ramones okay, they were the roads, they had the whole new york persona, they owned it. You know what I mean. But they, they played that up to the hilt. They certainly did, they certainly did. All right, jack, we're coming up on two hours. Buddy, I want you to go to bed. I have to nurture this. I have to nurture this I'm exhausted, you're going into overtime.

Scott McLean 1:51:31

Hey, I'll tell you what. Right before I I came on here, I did an hour podcast. I interviewed for my veterans the Vets Connection podcast. I interviewed a guy in Oklahoma for the last hour.

Speaker 3 1:51:41

I worked nine hours today. I was on the phone all day. I mean, I don't want to hear your sob story.

Scott McLean 1:51:46

Retirement- guy hey, hey, hey, don't be a victim of the job, you do it. You're not a victim of your job, jack, I love my job. That's right, my job. So don't play a victim. And I'm not playing victim that I just just did three hours of podcasting because I love this. Yes, you do, I love this all right, uncle scott. By the way, underrated, underrated lead singer scott mclean yeah, yeah, yeah, and if you're around next week, we'll uh, we'll, pick it up, we'll pick it up, we'll pick it up.

Scott McLean 1:52:14

I got more. I have more we can talk about.

Speaker 3 1:52:17

Hey, thanks. Thanks, everybody for joining Nice. Seeing y'all Alright, buddy I love you.

Scott McLean 1:52:22

Thank you for coming on. This is always good, great conversation. I think the fans like you better than me. But that won't last. That won't last. No, it won't last. I won't let it. All right, get off, I'm going to kick you off early. Get out of here. Well, there you go, jack's back. And well, for this week, I want to thank everyone for listening. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you like it, share it If you didn't like it. Thanks for watching and listening for an hour and 53 minutes.

Scott McLean 1:52:52

This was a great episode. I enjoyed this a lot. This, actually, jack and I had some. Dave Phillips, King of the 45, says whiners. I'm still working. Hey, don't be a victim of the job, buddy, don't play the victim. All right, that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Scott McLean 1:53:11

But Jack and I had like, you know, hey, let's talk about this. And we ended up talking about way off off of what. So what we were originally going to talk about? I think we picked it up in our number two, but anyway, uh, well, I'll be back next week. Hopefully, jack is back next week, I hope you're back next week and, as I always say, doing this show for you, to quote my favorite artist, morrissey. Well, the pleasure, the privilege is mine and I will see you guys for episode 173 or 174, whatever it is next week, and I'm going to go hang out with Dr Vera. I just did three hours of podcasting. This is so exhausting. Oh my God. Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, I'm still working. Shut the hell up. All right, buddy, everybody, I will see you and you will hear me next week.