Ep. 179 The Disintegration of Classic Rock Icons

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Episode Introduction

Scott McLean 0:01

I'm going to start this again . You can hear me , everybody can hear me now . Good , all right , let's try this one more time . Welcome to the podcast . You know the name . I'm not going to say I'm streaming live right now and everybody can hear me . See , this is going to have to be edited for the audio podcast . As good as you get Bob Ducetti . He's active tonight . Tonight there's no Jack , of course , of course there's no Jack . He'll be here next week , though . He said tonight's some music news , interesting stories . Let's see how it goes . We'll kill an hour .

Scott McLean 0:55

By the way , this is not my music . This is from a group called pigs , pigs , pigs , pigs , pigs , pigs , pigs , or some people say pigs times seven , and the name of the song is G&T . Go download it . Yeah , yeah , all right . This is probably . Facebook is probably going to lock this one up . I don't know why . I got some work to do on my other Facebook page , but yeah .

Scott McLean 1:33

So how's everybody doing tonight ? Everyone , good , let me get some iced coffee , some turbo . That's always a good way to start the show . Keep that little noise in the background and let's get right into some music news . Let me kill this up here . Let me kill this up here Again , like I said , no , jack . So what's new ? What's new ? He's at a block party tonight on his street .

Scott McLean 2:05

Yes , let me pull this one . This article it's not an exciting article . I just have questions about it . Let me go over here . Let me pull it up over here . I just have questions and you'll probably know . You might agree with me or you might not .

Scott McLean 2:28

All right , actually , let me go over here . Let me get this picture a little . Let me see , is this better ? No , it's down . How about if I switch it ? No , I don't like that one . Let's , how about about this angle ? That's what I had before . Yeah , all right , and I can see the . Let's see . Let's get the chat . Does that take up the space on the screen ? I wonder , I don't know . I think you'll be able to see it though .

Scott McLean 3:02

Dave Phillips , king of the 45s , welcome to the podcast . Do I keep it like this , to see it though ? Dave Phillips , king of the 45s , welcome to the podcast . Do I keep it like this ? I can see your comments . So what do you think Somebody comment in ? Does the screen look better ? We'll call this view number one , or do you like it better ? View number two ? Tell me what you think .

Scott McLean 3:24

First answer wins , first answer wins , first answer wins . Oh , adam , the King of Delray Beach just commented in . Adam Nelson , king of Delray Beach . Oh , big Head , todd the Wet Sprocket , beautiful , great Crap . I can hear you . I can hear you now . I liked it better when you were muted . I'm here entertaining me . The King of Delray Beach , adam Nelson , likes this view better .

Scott McLean 3:59

Alright , I can still read the comments . You just can't see your own comments . Blame it on Adam Nelson , don't blame it on me . So anyway , this is questionable , this article to me . So .

Scott McLean 4:11

Legendary classic rock star , 78 , involved in a serious crash after farewell concert . Legendary classic rock star Okay , that's where my question lies 78 . As the story goes , former REO Speedwagon lead vocalist . Now , if you follow REO Speedwagon right , you know what's . Kevin Cronin is the lead singer . No , no . Former REO Speedwagon lead vocalist , terry Luttrell , 78 , was involved in a serious car crash after the legendary classic rock band's farewell concert . I don't know who the fuck Terry Luttrell is Like . That's not the REO Speedwagon I grew up with .

Scott McLean 5:05

On Sunday June 15th , luttrell fell asleep while driving in Champaign-Urbana , illinois , just one day after his band played a show at State Farm Center . He told the News Gazette . I was able to get up and get out of the car , the singer told the publication . Unfortunately , luttrell didn't walk away without any injuries noting . The airbag went off and cracked my sternum a little bit . Is a cracked sternum like a little bit ? Is that like a little bit pregnant ? Is that like you're a little bit of an asshole ? I don't know . It's fucking cracked sternum . Okay , he wants to downplay it ? Good fam , I have a little back pain and neck pain and a fucking cracked sternum . He told the Newsday Gazette from Kyle Foundation Hospital . He's in the hospital . It's nothing that I can't overcome . Yeah , you're fine . His vehicle didn't fare quite as well in the crash . Who gives a shit about the car , right ? He nodded off the car rolled , woke up in a cocoon of airbags . Unfortunately , the totaled car . That which doesn't fucking mean anything in the story . Why would they even throw that in there ? Now , this is where I'm at here .

Scott McLean 6:19

On Saturday , june 14th , current and former members of RSB Wagon came together for a retrospective concert . Participating performers included co-founder and keyboardist Neil Dowdy , co-founder and drummer Alan Gratzer , bassist Bruce Hall , vocalist Mike Murphy and guitarist Steve Caffina In addition to Latrell . Per the Ultimate Clouser Rock vocalist Kevin Cronina . In addition to Latrell per , the Ultimate Cluster Rock Vocalist , kevin Cronin did not participate .

Scott McLean 6:50

Now you tell me , you tell me , is REO Speedwagon REO Speedwagon without Kevin Cronin , right ? I don't know . No , it's not . It not , it is not so I don't even know . That's why I wanted to read this article . That's total bullshit .

Scott McLean 7:16

He's the voice , the voice and I've discussed this in the past on podcasts that sometimes the voice of the band is the band . Hence why journey went out and got singers that sounded like steve perry . They got it . Right now , I don't know if this guy sounded like kevin cronin or not , but they were not like . When he left they , they faded , they , they were gone , they were done . They get a lead singer and you get these bands that like to go out and then they're making money . They're making money .

Scott McLean 7:46

There's fans that don't really pay attention . Maybe they're not as into it , as deep as as most of us are uh , that listen to this podcast or watch the live stream , but I , I would not consider that guy the lead singer and like , like , uh , dave phillips , king of the 45 , said when was reo speed wagon a rock band like ? When was REO Speedwagon a rock band Like ? Wouldn't you just say they're a pop band ? I guess rock , I guess classic rock , I don't know , I don't know . That's the question , right ? Dave Phillips , king of the 45s , let's see Bob Doucette .

Scott McLean 8:24

To me Van Halen was not Van Halen . After David Lee Roth , I , you know what I was of that mindset for decades until I really started to appreciate Sammy Hagar as the lead singer . Uh , I , I've sensed . I wouldn't say decades . Well , let me 80s , 90s , 2000 , yeah , okay , uh , I , I didn't mind some of the songs of Sammy Hagar , but I was on team Diamond , dave , and well , I started listening a little more to the music of Van Hagar and they were a much better band . They just were .

Scott McLean 9:02

David Lee Roth was great when I was a testosterone drivendriven 18-year-old boy . You know , growing up in Winthrop , which could be sometimes a little bit of a violent situation , there's fights , there's , you know kids weren't pussies in Winthrop or somewhere . But you know you get all that going for you . So Van Halen's a blood pumping music back . And then , to add the icing on the cake , and then I started paying attention to David , david Lee Roth , and he's a fucking asshole , total douche , total douche . So he was great for what he was and then he wasn't . So that's how I look at Van Halen . I give Van Halen with Sammy Hagar , I give them the the win on more polished , better .

Scott McLean 9:58

I don't know now , you know what I might be talking myself into a corner so . So I'm just going to quit that one right there . That's a topic for another time . That's a topic to argue with Jack on . All right , let's get rid of this . Let's pull up another one . Let me dump that . Yeah , there we go . There's some comments up there . Let me go over here , pull this up . Let's's see what do we got next ? All right , there we go . Next article I just want to be a woman , a little Portishead in the background , all right . So

REO Speedwagon Lead Singer Controversy

Scott McLean 10:51

the headline on this one is Ronnie heard that and he didn't really like it . It was a quote .

Scott McLean 10:58

Tony Iommi says Led Zeppelin's John Bonham meant to compliment Black Sabbath's Ronnie James Dio . It didn't go well . So the Sabbath guitarist found himself at the center of a dispute after the drummer's comments were taken the wrong way . The end of the classic Black Sabbath lineup was difficult for all involved . Left without the band Ozzy Osbourne had to build in Ukraine , he went on to far exceed the existing . This is my commentary . He went on to far exceed the existing Black Sabbath .

Scott McLean 11:31

As for Tony Iommi and the rest of Sabbath , they were left rudderless as they searched for a singer , and we all know that . You know , ozzy got Randy Rhoades and Black Sabbath got Ronnie James Dio . I give the edge to Ozzy on that one . Doc Sabbath got Ronnie James Dio . I give the edge to Ozzy on that one . So they met at the Rainbow Bar , la's Rainbow Bar , I guess , as they say , as a serendipitous meetup . La's Rainbow Bar brought them together .

Scott McLean 11:57

Iommi and Dio forged an instant musical connection . I never take anything away from Ronnie James Dio . He's been around . The guy was around from the 50s . Fucking guy was in the 50s , right , the first jam session . They wrote Children of the Sea , one of the key tracks from 1980s , heaven and Hell . Let's have this first album without Osbourne , I tell you . I told you the black and blue tour I talk about it every once in a while . Fuck that thing . That's garbage , that was fucking garbage . Um , led zeppelin's drummer . Let's get right to the point , led zeppelin drummer .

Scott McLean 12:34

John bonham , who was iomi's best man when he married susan snowden in 1973 , was one of many fans impressed by what Dio brought to the band Meh . However , his habit of straight talking caused him to put his foot in his mouth when he intended to flatter Dio . It was left to Iommi to prevent the diminutive Dio from tearing into much larger Bonham . I see that Now tear into him , meaning verbally or physically . I couldn't see Ronnie Jay's knee was five foot four Fucking five foot four .

Scott McLean 13:12

What was Barnum ? Barnum was like six feet Dude , weighed about a couple hundred pounds . Nah , he's a fucking raging madman . Nah , okay , yeah , there was some kind of a word . What did he say ? Yeah , there was some kind of a word . I only admitted when asked about the kerfuffle . Who puts kerfuffle in their fucking article ? That's a question . Kerfuffle , the fuck .

Scott McLean 13:39

While being interviewed by Bill Burr in 2011 , john came to the gig when we played at the Hammersmith in London and we were going to go out after the show to a bar . According to a Black Sabbath fan site , the band played four consecutive nights at London's . What the fuck ? What just happened ? London's Hammersmith Odin between May 7th and how did they ? Did they just jump the article ? Barnum attended , but it was not in the English capital that his remarks were taken in the wrong light .

Scott McLean 14:11

They're dragging this article on John's drinking on the side of the stage , drinking Guinness , tony Iommi says , coloring the scene . We came off stage and as we walked past John John said to me oh man , he's got a great voice for a midget . Yeah , that's great . That's great . Well , I mean , listen , if Ronnie James Dio , oh Jesus , adam Nelson , king of Delray Beach , the people that use kerfuffle in their article are the same ones that carry umbrellas for shade , I'll give you that . Now , if Ronnie James Dio is 5'4" , he probably never grew after the age of 21, . Right , and he has , like you , put yourself in the limelight . You're going to get what you fucking get . Like , are you a sensitive guy ? Like , are you sensitive ? Like , oh , don't call me short , because I'm fucking short . Like , I don't get it .

Scott McLean 15:36

Of course , ronnie popped up and I won't repeat what he said . They were gonna fight and I'm sure Bonham was fucking laughing his ass off . Suddenly , iommi found himself in the center of the ruckus . I like the word ruckus , I like ruckus . Ruckus is way better than kerfuffle . Kerfuffle just sounds like soft Getting the ruckus and astutely defused the situation by telling the pair to just get along .

Scott McLean 16:06

Eloquently put , tragically , bonham would pass just months later and Dio had a fucking party . I'm sure a fuck you party . It serves you , right , motherfucker , for calling me a midget party . It's a fucking die , motherfucker die party . That's what Dio did . That's what I would have done if I was a sensitive guy about being 5'4" . I'd have a good you're dead party . There we go . Oh , once again .

Scott McLean 16:39

Black Sabbath is set for one last hurrah . Blah , blah , blah , blah , blah . It's never one last hurrah with these fucking bands . That's it Now . Ozzy is fucking Ozzy's one foot in the grave . So he's definitely this last thing he's doing , he's done , but that's about it .

Scott McLean 16:57

All right , let's see what do we got next ? Let me jump to the . Let me see what the comments are Anything there and where to them . Let me see what the comments are anything there . And wear socks with sand . Let me see . Uh , oh , oh , okay . So big head todd the wet sprocket decides to jump in . Uh , after adam nelson king and delray b says that the people that used to fuffle in the article , the same people use carry shade and brothers , big head todd the wet sprocket has to jump in and say and wear socks with sandals .

Scott McLean 17:21

I wear socks and flops . I don't know the sandals thing is , I wear socks and flops . I don't know what the sandals thing is . I wear socks and flops , so what ? So what ? I'm cool , like that , I can pull it off . Big head , todd the White Sprocket , red headed old Arnold Schwarzenegger old Arnold Schwarzenegger , he can't . Red heads can't pull anything off . They don't have the brains , alright , anyway .

Scott McLean 17:50

Anyway , let's go with the next story . Let's see what we got . Get rid of that . Let's see what story are we going to pull up . Oh , I haven't pulled one up yet , so let me cancel this . Let me go over here ,

Dio vs. Bonham: The Height Insult

Scott McLean 18:07

let's talk . I got a couple of good ones that I want to talk about . I can fucking do this . All right , that one's kind of soft . Oh , this motherfucker , okay , this fucking guy Over here . Get rid of that . There we go . So the headline of this story is I grew up in the greatest time in the history of mankind to be a musician , but now the deck is heavily stacked against old farts like myself . Whoever uses that fucking term is an asshole . I'm an old fart . What the fuck ?

Scott McLean 18:52

It's the classic rock singer exiled by his old band after writing their biggest hits . This dude is not a motherfucking classic rock singer . I'll tell you that . He's a pop star . He's a pop rock guy . He's not , but I guess they play it on the radio . So all right , here we go . It was Dennis DeYoung , and you know what I think . If you've listened to the podcast you know what I think about this guy . You know I don't , I fucking don't even like Styx , let alone this guy . This guy was why I don't like Styx . It was Dennis DeYoung who wrote and sang the hit songs that made Chicago rock style rock band Styx a multi-million selling phenomenon in the 70s and early 80s .

Scott McLean 19:41

His winning way with a piano-led power ballad had him nicknamed the Manilow of Metal . What , what the fuck ? Metal Sticks that's like Jethro Tull being winning metal band of the year Sticks . The Manilow . Who called him the Manilow of Metal ? They're the fucking Manilow of morons . That's what I say . All right , called him the Manilow of metal . They're the fucking Manilow of morons . Tonight's day , all right .

Scott McLean 20:10

Oh , dave Phillips , king of the 45s , don't start on redheads . Well , I'm sorry to say that the both of you are grayheads now . So Dave Phillips , king of the 45s , a big head , todd Wittsburg . Both of you are gray heads now . So Dave Phillips , king of the 45 , is a big head . Todd , the wet spark in both gray heads now . So , but you still fucking weird like redheads . That never goes away , all right .

Scott McLean 20:36

Anyways , his winning way with the piano led power battle and the panel of morons , the young song lady , okay , lady was great when I was in fucking junior high and then maybe into high school . But Come Sail Away , nah . The Best of Times , nah . All Made US Top 10 , while 79 Track Babe went to number one . Yeah , they were good for their time , alright , but after a couple of breakups and reunions , de young left sticks in 1999 , never to return .

Scott McLean 21:10

That evidently had something to do with he wanted . This is the dude , and you've heard me say it a million times if you listen to the podcast . He's the fucking guy that wanted to turn it into like this , this rock opera like fucking play . Everything had to be a big production instead of just getting in and playing fucking music . He wanted it all to be a product . I've seen him like in videos where he's got on this fucking like the guy that leads the circus , the fucking . He's got on a tux like red . I don't know , it's fucking ridiculous . And he also stole Mr Roboto from Black Sabbath's Iron man . Anyway , in 2021 , deyoung spoke to Classic Rock about those great songs and his desire to rejoin Styx and explained why , at the age of 74 , his solo album 26 East , vol 2 , was his last act as a recording artist . Maybe because no one Bought the fucking thing . Maybe Just might be , could be . Uh , wait a minute .

Scott McLean 22:16

Paul DeCiano . Chicago was a good all around band , but not phenomenal . What are we talking ? Why are you talking about Chicago ? We're talking about Styx . This is I love Paul DeSiano , don't get me wrong . I was stationed with him in the Philippines . He's one of my old friends . But Paul can be on a different planet sometimes he kind of marches to the beat of his own drumming . He's evidently watching another podcast . He's watching another live stream , I don't know . But Chicago is good all aroundaround band , but not phenomenal .

Scott McLean 22:57

Chicago in their prime was phenomenal . I don't know how you could say that in their prime , which I would say was the 70s , before they got all poppish , I mean that some of their music was just I . I mean , all right , you know what ? All right , let me see . I just have to prove to him that they're not phenomenal . Like I said , let me see Great . I said serious , let's see . Let me see Greatest at series . Let's see , not that one , not that one . Where is it ? Hold on , let's see , this isn't phenomenal . I mean , come on , don't say they , they when they got older , they , they , they went into . Let me see , all right , I'm , I'm getting off track . He got me off track , fucker . Okay , where was I ? Uh , let me see , I had a great career , he said I gave it , gave it my best shot , and I always did .

Scott McLean 24:36

I've always been so neurotic and consumed with being the best I can , and it's made me successful and miserable at the same time . Poor , poor me . Blah blah , blah . Tortured artist . Blah blah , blah . I grew up in the greatest time in the history of mankind to be a musician . But now the music business is shite because no one's buying your shite . But now the music business is shite because no one's buying your shite . That's what it is . Because you're putting out shite , the fuck's going to go out and buy a David DeYoung , fucking , whatever his name is , what is it ? What's his name ? Again , I don't even remember his fucking name Dennis DeYoung , see , that's how important this guy is to me .

Scott McLean 25:15

And Perry light-fingered , perry Dinovich , the AI . Perry Lightfingers , the AI . He's a lounge schmuck . Theatrical BS . Mr Roboto . What the fuck Exactly , exactly , lightfinger , perry Lightfingers , mark Smith from Music Relish .

Scott McLean 25:36

Perry was accused of stealing those guitars from Hart . It was something . He was implicated by Mark Smith , so he became Perry Lightfingers . That was hilarious , let me see , I've always been neurotic . Do I have to explain this to you ? Yeah , yeah , he says I don't think so . No , oh , please explain . Please explain the numbers that your , that your albums were making . Please , please explain the , the , the , the tens of tens of of albums that you were selling , tens of , not even tens of hundreds .

Scott McLean 26:13

The change is not in me , the change is in the culture . This is why this motherfucking this deck is heavily stacked against people in rock music , and particularly old farts like myself . There you go again . There you go again . He's got the fucking edge of a baseball bat . He's clarified I'm not retiring and if the spirit moves me , I might write a song from time to time and put it out through Apple or whoever the local robber baron is .

Scott McLean 26:47

Okay , now you're fucking complaining about the people that you want to put your music out on . Why Did you not make your millions off of fucking Lady and Come , sail Away and whatever other fucking gay songs you wrote ? I don't know , let me see . But I'm not going to go through the torturous efforts of making a complete album again because , number one , he probably can't get a producer . And if he does , he's going to get a producer who's like , ooh , I'm going to work with this old guy and he'll help me go somewhere because my audience will go hey , that's nice , dennis , pat me on the head and say , please play , come Sail Away . Well , are you fucking complaining about that ? Are you really complaining about that ? That ? Are you really complaining about that ?

Scott McLean 27:35

The fucking song that was in the top 10 that made you a lot of money ? Oh , they want me to play my old songs that made me popular and famous and meant something to them . This is a pompous motherfucker right there . This is a pompous ass motherfucker . They want me to play that . Even Morrissey who doesn't ? He's all about not being that old , playing the old song , being an oldies act , as he said . He's all about that . I'm not an oldies act .

Scott McLean 28:09

If you go to a Morrissey concert , you'll see 3 , maybe 4 Smith songs Out of 15 or 16 songs that he plays . You throw them in there . You throw the fucking crowd a bone . Now he gets offended by it . This is a fact for all classic rockers . There's a lot of classic rockers out there that love playing their old music because that fucking pays the bills . Love playing their old music because that fucking pays the bills . The people who still support us are emotionally bound to the music of their youth , which is a is true of all generations . Could you ever , could you sit down and have a conversation with this fucking guy ? Could you like , could you have a real man to ? No , you couldn't have a man , toman , that's not happening .

Scott McLean 28:53

He named his top three Styx albums as Equinox 75 , the Grand Illusion 77 , and Paradise Theater 81 . So let me see 75 , 77, . Okay , paradise Theater junk , fucking junk . Theater , shit theater , because that's what he wanted to create . Theater , shit theater , because that's what he wanted to create theater . The dude just needs to fucking go write plays instead of write songs . But of course , the Grand Illusion is our best album .

Scott McLean 29:23

He said Anyone who wants to argue about it , don't come to my door . I'll make them look silly . You're gonna look silly if you come to my door . I'll make you look silly . We'll have a kerfuffle . Yes , we will . We'll have a kerfuffle and I'll make you look silly . So don't come to my door buster . I just made myself laugh at that one . This fucking guy has beta male written all over him . He probably got the tattoo , anyway . Anyway , actually , you know what ? Most rock stars are pussies . Most rock stars are pussies . Prove me wrong . Most , I said not all Like I'm sure like Zach Wilde got guitarists for Aussies Black Flag . I'm sure Zach Wilde is

Dennis DeYoung's Bitter Styx Exit

Scott McLean 30:29

a guy that would get in a fight Right , but not like these dudes . They all talk shit and they all weigh about 110 pounds , soaking wet . Anyway .

Scott McLean 30:42

Lady was the band's breakthrough hit . Uh , originally released in 73 on the album sticks to , but re-released two years later to great success . A lady was great for its time . It was fucking . It was a great song for its time . I don't listen to it if I hear it on the radio . Everything changed when lady was a hit . De young said it was the first song I ever wrote . And when we put it on the second album , no one at radio played it . But later it became a hit . And then it was they like me . Oh , this dude just fucking . Oh , my god , they like me , they really really like me . Oh , because I wrote a song called lady , this fucking guy . So I took the reins and sticks .

Scott McLean 31:27

He recalled I was the guy who said this is the way to go . Follow me , and if I screw up , just hit me over the head with a shovel and bury me , or else I'll make you look silly . I'll make you come to my door and I'll make you look silly and we'll have a kerfuffle . And then you can hit me in the head with the shovel and bury me , but you better bury me deep , sonny , because I'll come back . It's fucking . Oh , what . Should I take this phone call ? No , I don't want to take this call . No , no one's here . My ringtone , anyway . Well , okay . So I took the reins . Blah , blah , blah . Hit me in the head , bury me , kerfuffle , make you look silly .

Scott McLean 32:21

Uh , all those hit ballads were inspired by the same woman de young's wife , jim , his wife Jim . Not that there's anything wrong with that . The article says Suzanne , but I think Suzanne's real name is Jim . Hey , listen , if Jim inspired them , god bless them . God bless them . When we met she , he was 15 and I was 17 . He said it was the only love we've ever known Me and Jim Instead of lady . I think it was originally called Jimmy .

Scott McLean 33:14

Yeah , what I didn't understand when I was writing those songs is that there are a number of people in the world who absolutely hate romantic ballads and slam what they call the mushiness , the cheesiness , the , what ? The treacle , t-r-e-a-c-l-e treacle . Who uses that word ? The fuck is treacle , the fuck is treacle . Hold on , let me see , gemini , what does treacle mean ? Let's see , I gotta ask Gemini this Gemini's better than Google , gemini . What does treacle mean ? Just a second Treacle has a few meanings , but it's most commonly used today a type of syrup .

Scott McLean 34:14

Here we go , here we go . Oh , here we go . That's the one , that's the one I got to take a treacle . Just listen to this yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , treacle , yeah , that's what happens when you turn 60 . You take a leak , you got a little treacle afterwards . It's just what it is . It's just what it is .

Scott McLean 34:59

Who the fuck uses the word treacle anyway ?

Scott McLean 35:04

Uh , when we met she , he was 15 , I was 17 . What , I don't understand . She's in this tree . Go , blah , blah , oh , oh , he gets a little tough guy . Now Listen , and you know what I say to those people Fuck off , fuck off . See , I made you look silly , see , I made you look silly . Now fuck off , or I'll get a shovel and hit you in the head and bury you after the kerfuffle . So fuck off . Well , maybe I shouldn't say fuck off to these people , I just it's just their personal taste . But here's my definition of songwriting .

Scott McLean 35:42

I started out as a kid with an accordion . I was a kid with an accordion . I had a dream . I had a melody of rhythm in my head and all I ever wanted to do was find some chords and attach lyrics to them and then give you my point of view , hoping you find yourself in my story . This fucking guy . This is why they won't let him back in the band . This is exactly why they won't let him back in the band . This fucking guy this is I had , I was a kid with an accordion . He actually said that . He fucking actually said that I was a kid with an accordion and I had a rhythm in my head . I had a melody . I want to be the melody man . I want to be the melody man in a rhythm age . See , I'm not wrong here . I am fucking not wrong here . There's no doubt about it . I am not wrong here . This fucking guy . No wonder they won't let him in .

Scott McLean 36:44

That's what songwriting is , and inclusive in that is my relationship with the love of my life , jim . So I don't want to feel like I have to apologize for that , because when you're lying on your deathbed , love is the only thing that matters . Oh , this is fucking just putrid gold . Putrid gold . Beta male gold , beta male gold . Right here . This is it .

Scott McLean 37:18

If you were gonna fucking write a description of beta male in wikipedia , this fucking article would be right underneath . It references this as one reference . This article in the beginning it was my band , my idea , but now it's really tommy shaw's band . That stupid silly tommy shaw . He stole everything from me . That's my input .

Scott McLean 37:44

Uh , if you haven't figured that out , I've said that we should do one last tour together . For those people who made us rich men . Oh , whoa , whoa , whoa . Let's fucking backtrack a little bit here . Fucking sweet pants , weren't you just fucking complaining about the people that said make me play , come sail away and pat me on the head ? Were you just complaining about them , you fucking moron ? Were you not just saying , oh , they just want to pat me on the head and and say thank you and move me along ? And now he's like hey , tommy , tommy , can we do one more tour so I can make a little more money off those fuckers that pat me on the head and touch my tushy and tell me to move along . Then we have a kerfuffle in bed , me and Jim . Anyway , I digress . They know I'm ready to do it and recently it was floated as a possibility , but Tommy Shaw was the only one who spoke and he said no , this is great .

Scott McLean 38:52

Tommy Shaw had commented about the glory days of Styx Instead of DeYoung . In retrospect , we weren't even happy working with each other in our heyday . In other words , dennis DeYoung was it's my band , we'll go my way , we'll do it my way . And if we stumble , hit me in the head and hit the shovel and bury me . Yeah , this is why this asshole ain't coming back , because he was a fucking . He was , he was on a power trip .

Scott McLean 39:23

De young responded . Let me tell you he really said that . He really fucking said it . Let me tell you . And what man says that ? Let me tell you .

Scott McLean 39:36

Big Ted Todd , the Wet Sprocket . Let me tell you , all of this stuff they said about me was the biggest exaggerated bunch of lies I've ever seen in my life . You know what a real man would say . Those motherfuckers are lying through their teeth . That's some bullshit right there . That's what a man would say . These motherfuckers lying through their teeth . They shit lies is what he should have said , but no , he starts it off . Let me tell you , it's the biggest bunch of lies I've ever seen in my life . What are you 12 ? Are you fucking 12 ? We liked each other . He said that we liked each other .

Scott McLean 40:25

We never had a punch up . A punch up what the fuck Is that ? The same as a kerfuffle , a punch up . We never had a punch upup . The fuck is that . Who the fuck says that ? Oh man , uh , let me finish . We never had a punch- . We never screamed at each other . We weren't those guys . We made music together . This is like this dude Does he write scripts in his head and wait for an interviewer to come along . We liked each other . We never had a punch up . We never screamed at each other . We weren't those guys . I don't think you were ever a guy to begin with , but okay , we made music together . Drama queen Jim . I give Jim a lot of credit for sticking with this guy since he was 15 . So here we go . It just gets better .

Scott McLean 41:40

So when you cast aspersions , not only are my musical contributions , but also my character . It's been the greatest heartbreak of my career , greatest heartbreak of my career . He cast aspersions on me . Oh , I hate when people cast aspersions . No-transcript . I can't think of a band that's worked harder than sticks at diminishing its own reputation and to denigrate the music that we created together and it serves no purpose . Oh , I think Guns N' Roses and Motley Crue and there's a couple other bands that give you a run for the money Diminishing its reputation . I think you're lost in that category .

Scott McLean 42:37

Our fans loved us because we did musically . What we did musically was very uplifting and positive . That's what we stood for , and to harm that anyway is insane in the membrane , insane in the brain . All right , well , I'm almost done here Not to give the fans one last glimpse of us together on stage . It makes no sense to me . He said and I know that all six fans , all six sticks fans he left the number out and I know all Sticks fans would want to see that one more time .

Scott McLean 43:24

But look , this is not about me . It's not about the money . Oh , it's not . This isn't about you . This whole article about you bitching and moaning and complaining and bitching some more . It's not about you . I don't know . Let me repeat that . But look , this is not about me , it's not about the money . I think it's about the money too . It's to relive and reinforce . What Lucky oh , he fucking does this now . This is just . We're ending on a big one , people . I'm going to read the whole thing in context . But look , this is not about me , it's not about money . It's to relive and reinforce .

Scott McLean 44:19

And what lucky wait for it , son of a bitches , we were to find each other . We are some lucky son of a bitches . You know who's an unlucky son of a bitch ? Me , for meeting big head Todd the West Rocket . That's the polar opposite of this . We are the polar opposite of sticks . They're lucky sons of bitches . I'm an unlucky son of a bitch . We're to find each other and show the people what we appreciate what you've done for us .

Scott McLean 44:56

I'm sick . I'm sick over the fact that we can't do it one more time . But what am I going to do ? I just can't for the life of me understand it . And that's the end of the article . That's it . That's the end of the article . That's the end of the article . I don't think you could have ended it any better . I think we're all lucky son of a bitches that this article is over and I have been tortured from word one on this .

Scott McLean 45:33

I don't know if I even want to do another . Let's cut over here . Let me see , let's get rid of this clown On this . I don't know if I even want to do another . Let's cut over here . Let me see , let's get rid of this clown . Oh , look at that . Let's get this out of here . Get him Get off my screen . There you go . All right , did I do one more ? I'll do one more . I don't think I can beat that one , though .

Scott McLean 45:55

Let me see , I'm featuring myself to you each week . What did Big Head Todd say ? Guys with sandal socks use that word . He took the reins . Leader of band . Dave Phillips , king of the 45 , sticks as someone to sing those songs . That's right , dave Phillips , king of the 45 . It's always about the money . Yes , it is Big head Todd the Westbrookian , or me torturing myself listening to you each week . That's right , because I'm better than Dennis DeYoung . I'll tell you that , that fucking guy . Let me dig up one more . Let me dig up one more here . Let's see , let's get one more article and then I'm done for the night . I'm going to go hang out with Dr Vera . So you know what ? Let me see the prog musician , the Eagles . You know what ? I'll end it on this one . Let's see , get that up over here . I'm getting good at this . See , get that up over here . I'm getting good at this . See . See , I upped my game .

Scott McLean 47:02

There is a certain person that used to be on the podcast . He was part of a duo who's once said that Milk Crates and Turntables was a sinking ship and it was turning into a variety show . Well , I resent that that person , because now I'm all techie . Now I'm all techie . Here we go Four classic rock songs without the title in the lyrics

Classic Rock Songs Without Titles in Lyrics

Scott McLean 47:31

. Now , now that I said that , dave Fellows , king of the 45 , saying goodnight Alright . Now that I said that To the listeners , the podcast listeners , the live stream viewers Four classic rock songs Without the title In the lyrics , can you think of one , can you think of two , let alone four Classic rock songs Without the title in the lyrics ?

Scott McLean 48:00

Now , I'm going to read this article while you have . I'm going to read a little bit the intro while you have time to think . And for the live stream viewers , if you want to comment in with a song that does not have the title in the lyrics . This article is about four classic rock songs and you're going to hear them and you're going to go . Oh fuck , that's right . From a marketing perspective , including a song's title somewhere in the lyrics helps listeners easily identify what they hear on the radio , and in the days when classic rock was new , radio was the quickest way to reach the widest audience . However , rock and roll , if nothing else , is about breaking rules , smashing through the norms of how songs are written , how long they're supposed to be and whether or not the artist ever sings the tune's name .

Scott McLean 48:53

These classic rock songs became iconic even without the title in the lyrics . Oh , let's see what's the first one black dog by led zeppelin all right , it's got a little blurb . Uh , at the barn of black labrador , at the recording studio where led zeppelin recorded its fourth album , inspired the title black dog . Jimmy page's legendary guitar riffs often say more than what's being sung , and Robert Plant's powerful voice energizes his seemingly throwaway lyrics with a bluesy howl . Plant screams them through a series of lusty verses , but the dog goes unmentioned .

Scott McLean 49:35

All right , what's number two ? A Day in the Life by the Beatles . John Lennon wrote the line I read the news today which intrigued Paul McCartney . The song follows various unconnected news events , both tragic and trivial . Lennon's voice sounds distant and aloof , like he's observing from another dimension . Mccartney is the man on the ground and it's not clear whether he's headed toward a calamity or boredom . The title distills the day's events in five words . Everything else happens within a Beatles masterwork . So so , a day in the life , yeah , yeah . Great songs , both of them so far . And let's move on to number three , badge by Cream .

Scott McLean 50:30

Working on what became Badge , which is one of my favorite songs of all time , george Harrison wrote Badge on the lyric sheet to denote the middle portion of the song's arrangement . Eric Clapton , sitting across from Harrison , read bridge upside down and asked what's badge ? Thus the song now had a title , though one wouldn't appear , one that wouldn't appear in the lyrics . Now I heard a slightly different version of that story . I heard they were all passed out and Harrison was finishing some lyrics and he wrote bridge . He did write bridge instead of badge , but when they woke up and read it they were all drunk . They're like what the fuck is badge ? And he meant to write bridge , but it's relatively the same . They were in the same room . All right , what's the last one before I call this a night .

Scott McLean 51:21

Bohemian Rhapsody Ugh , mm , as Sling Blade would say , mm , mm , mm , mm-hmm . Queen's epic consists of many movements across nearly six minutes . A lot happens in the song , including layers upon layers of operatic voices . A rock and roll opera of tragedy and defiance . Some have described it as a Faustian bargain , while others speculate that Freddie Mercury details his personal struggles , while others speculate that Freddie Mercury details his personal struggles . But the title appears nowhere and Mercury ends with the song on a defeated note .

Scott McLean 52:03

Nothing really matters to me and , with that said , let me get this off the screen . That's it . That's the show , that's the podcast , that's the episode started off a little rough . I got some shit to figure out here , but for the most part I think it was a pretty good show . I had fun . I hope you had fun .

Scott McLean 52:27

Thanks for listening , like it . Share it if you didn't like it . Thanks for listening or watching for an hour and I'll be back next week , me and jack , supposedly I'll be back , whether jack's here or not , I don't know , but I will be here and I'll have some more , either music news or some articles . Uh , you know , we'll see . We'll see , maybe I'll have , maybe I'll , maybe I'll seek out a special guest and you like my background , you like the new background right there , the picture , the David Bowie picture . There it is , yeah , right there . Yeah , that's a big like . If you're listening to the podcast .

Scott McLean 53:09

My daughter , amanda , who does the intro for this , she bought me this for Father's Day . It's a real big painting of david bowie and it's pretty cool , pretty , pretty , pretty cool . Uh , patty , assi says , thanks for all the info . You always crack me up . Have a good night . You too , patty , you're the best . And uh , with all that said , as I always say , to quote my favorite artist , morrissey , doing this podcast for you , well , the pleasure , the privilege is mine and I will be back next Thursday , god willing

Episode Closing and Final Thoughts

Scott McLean 53:47

. Patty said very nice , gotta go .