Ep. 209 - How Real Crimes Shape Famous Songs And How Tours Sell Nostalgia

We bounce between the dark origins of famous songs and the very modern problem of paying premium prices for artists who may not be able to deliver the show you remember. Along the way we argue about Springsteen, tell on ourselves about nostalgia, and try to figure out what “live” even means anymore. 
• true crime cases that inspired popular songs and why the backstories change the listen 
• “Nebraska” and the push and pull of separating music from the musician 
• songs written from the offender’s point of view and why artists choose that angle 
• “Dancing In The Moonlight” as a victim’s response to violence and recovery 
• whether supergroups still work and when they feel like a money machine 
• summer tour packages, one hit lineups and who is still worth the ticket 
• backing tracks, lip syncing claims and how to sanity check with live video 
• legacy band names with no original members and why fans still show up 
• Paul Simon ticket prices, setlists and the value question for older legends 
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Transcript

Cold Open And Tech Chaos

Scott McLean 0:03

What's up everybody? Welcome to the podcast? And of course, right when shit's supposed to start, there's technical difficulties. So let me check something. Hold on one second. This is this is just normal. What the hell's going on here? There we go. Alright, let's start this all over again. What's up, everybody? Streaming library, blah blah blah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 0:42

Stop playing by the telephone.

Scott McLean 0:45

Yeah, I like this song. Not my song, YouTube. Not my song. I don't know it. Fair use. Nico. You know I love my female singers. Jack knows nothing about this stuff. I don't even I don't even think Jack sneaks out music anymore. I really don't think he does. I think he's just like he's living off he's like that in that rock star. Living off that one hit one. Like he knows old stuff, but I don't think he knows new stuff.

Speaker 2 1:25

I don't think so.

Scott McLean 1:27

I don't think he looks for it anymore. I think he's lazy. I don't care if Jack's watching or listening or you know, as a matter of fact, well, well, here he is.

Speaker 4 1:38

Hey. I can't really.

Scott McLean 1:46

You didn't you didn't hear what I was saying, did you?

Jack 1:48

I heard everything that you said, and it's all dirty dead. What do you think of this song? Slanderous lies. I like it a lot.

Scott McLean 1:55

Yeah. It's a rainy night here in Boca. It's a nice moody moody song. She she's she's a new artist name. Like I said, Nico Rubio.

Speaker 4 2:05

Yes.

Scott McLean 2:06

I I do love my female singers, man. I'll tell you. So do I. Huh? So do I. Don't try to steal my thunder. So do I.

Speaker 4 2:14

As a as a man of the.

Scott McLean 2:16

I look I like I like female singers with big mouths.

Speaker 4 2:20

If you if you nobody's got a bigger mouth than I friend.

Scott McLean 2:27

Yeah, it's you know, people like that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 2:32

We are as a matter of fact, you know, seeking out new music and in particular female singers, on Tuesday night, my daughter and myself and a couple of friends are going to see Emil in the Sniffers at the MGM.

Scott McLean 2:50

I I don't know. I I don't not like them, but I don't see the attraction to it. Um I don't know. High energy show, really fun. You know, you know, although I'm I'm not a so I love I love female singers, right? But I'm not a big fan of female like lead singers in rock bands. Like I just think they try too hard. Like Chrissy Hine? Well, Chrissy Hine was just cool, right? She was just a Shirley Mansion.

Speaker 4 3:24

Shirley Mansion.

Scott McLean 3:25

Shirley Manson could control a stage. Like she knew how to command. I'm talking like these rock hard, like uh Ann Wilson. No. All right. Um, I don't know. Uh maybe, I don't know, maybe just a few of them.

Speaker 4 3:44

All right, great argument. That was a good one. What's up, motherfucker? Yeah. Where you been, boy? I've been traveling. I think since the last time we spoke, I've been in Florida three times, nowhere near you, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon how you look.

Scott McLean 4:01

Fortunately for me.

Speaker 4 4:02

I've been to Mississippi, I've been to California, I've been to Phoenix. I've been everywhere, boy. I've been everywhere. I was in New Jersey yesterday, and I'm going to Puerto Rico on Wednesday. Oh, okay.

Scott McLean 4:17

All right. So we have um Big Head Todd. Let me I'll put it up here, I guess.

Speaker 4 4:25

We have we have somebody that's actually watching us.

Scott McLean 4:28

Big Head Todd.

Speaker 2 4:30

Woo-hoo!

Scott McLean 4:33

Hold on. Let me uh do a little thing here. All settings. Let's get the background opaque. Opacity. Is it opacity or opaque? Opacity. Opacity. Like that. Yeah, but I don't like where the box is. I don't like where it's uh kind of just taking over part of the screen. So I don't know. Let me I can't close it up. Oh well. Let's move it. Size it. I'll make it smaller. I don't know. It's gonna cover half your face. I don't know if I want to do that. Uh anyway. Yeah, so he uh the only reason I I waited a half hour for you, Jack, was because Big Head Todd was like, ooh, is Jack gonna be on? Is Jack gonna be on?

Speaker 4 5:30

I I do apologize. I ran a little bit late, had a quick bite eat with Deborah and Vanessa, and uh and here I am. All right. All right.

Scott McLean 5:42

So how are you? Huh? How are you? Uh I'm good. I'm good. I've been like I I said, you know, earlier, uh busy with my uh veterans podcast and my nonprofit. It's keeping me busy, and uh it's gonna be a good year, it looked like you you are you are you are the James Brown of the retirement world.

Speaker 4 6:03

Busiest man in show biz.

Scott McLean 6:08

Almost as funky. Almost. Ain't it funky now? Ain't it funky now? Um so let's jump into a thing or two

Famous Songs Linked To True Crime

Scott McLean 6:19

here. All right. I have this here, and let's see. Uh let's see what you get your opinion on this. I usually do these when I'm solo, but I I thought this one was interesting. So we have the nine popular songs inspired by true crime cases. Now I'm I let me I don't know if I can, I'm not gonna read the whole thing. I usually do because it's a time killer, but you waste my time anyway. So um so far Do you know the story behind Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen? I do. Tell us.

Speaker 4 7:01

It is uh about I can't remember the guy's name that was just brought up wrong, bad, and went on a telling spree. Um it's pretty well detailed in the in the in the song. Well, that's not I could have fucking answered that.

Scott McLean 7:23

Like I could have said, oh well, it's in the song.

Speaker 4 7:26

Well, it it is in the song. I don't remember all of it. I asked you if you I don't re I don't remember the specific details of the actual then you say no, the answer is no.

Scott McLean 7:37

I think I but no, you don't go in yellow. I do. You were so confident.

Speaker 4 7:42

I was, but then I it just went, it went away.

Scott McLean 7:46

Okay. Do you know the uh story behind The Ripper by Judas Priest? No. Well, we can assume it's Jack the Ripper, I would think, but I don't know it either.

Speaker 4 7:59

Um I think I think that's a a fair assumption. You you know, I I do the whole painting thing and I've gotten into a little bit of art history. There's actually a painter called Sickert that they there are theories out there that he was Jack the Ripper.

Scott McLean 8:16

Okay.

Speaker 4 8:17

Yeah.

Scott McLean 8:18

Uh Suffer Little Children by the Smiths. I know what this, of course, I I kind of know what this is about. This is a uh uh a lot to do with it, we'll say Child MS station. Um it was a big deal. Uh it was a big case, and when the Smiths created this song, it was really controversial. They were like, Are you fucking kidding us? You wrote a song about this. Um, yeah, it's I don't I don't really want to talk about that too much. Uh Paulie by Nirvana. Do you know the crime behind this? I don't. Okay, we're gonna find out. See how good I'm getting at that? Yeah, good. I'm glad. Uh, lonesome, the lonesome death of Hattie Carroll by Bob Dylan. I know this story. Okay, I was gonna say, you're a Dylan guy, let me know.

Speaker 4 9:10

I know this story. So uh Hattie, Hattie Carroll was uh a kitchen worker at um a like a club. I think it was down in Baltimore. Uh so it was kind of like one of those social clubs. And there was a guy by the name of William Zanzinger, whose parents owed a tobacco farm. Uh, you know, big, big money uh uh family. And he had come into this event where Hattie Carroll worked. He came in already drunk. Uh apparently he had come in from a flight, they had been hitting the booze hard and continued to do so. What year was that? I'm sorry. Uh it it had to have been kind of the mid-60s. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. This is uh that that song is off the the times, they are a changing record. So, I mean, you gotta be talking, I don't know, 63.

Scott McLean 10:05

Yeah, I was gonna say 64, 65, maybe.

Speaker 4 10:08

Yeah, something something like that. In any event, uh he was like super demanding. Apparently, she wasn't moving fast enough, and she uh he struck her with a cane, and she ended up having a heart attack. So it she didn't die from blunt force trauma, but the trauma of being abused and hit the way that she was hit caused her to have a heart attack, and he ended up getting arrested, uh, going on trial, and they sentenced him, even though it was declared as murder, they they uh they put him in jail for like six months.

Scott McLean 10:46

I don't I don't know, I don't want to get into that rabbit hole, but I I I don't understand how someone can still kill somebody and they get like 15 years in there, you know. You you think it you think it should be life? Should be longer.

Speaker 4 11:00

It should like you know, understanding the le the levels of the charge, but still uh well you know not not I don't know whether you want to get into it or not, but you know, but the premise behind the song is not only the story of how she was murdered, but it it it really kind of speaks to the racial injustice at that time, right? So all white juror.

Scott McLean 11:20

Oh, so Hattie Carroll was a black woman. She was. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, 10 kids. I had an Aunt Hattie, that's why I you know I'm not gonna pick the name and go, oh, she must be black. She's Hattie. I actually had an Aunt Hattie, she lived to be 101. Wow. But yeah, I get it. Okay, yeah. And just like uh Hurricane, the all-white jury agreed, right?

Speaker 4 11:45

Yeah, yeah, you know, same same type of theme. And um, you know, but again, you know, he he had he had come from a very prominent family, new politicians and judges and all that stuff stuff. It's actually if you ever have an opportunity to listen to it, it's a very compelling song. I I I do like story songs. I I can I'll I'll probably go listen to it. It is a strangely enough, it is one of my favorite Dylan songs. Okay. Although I have I have a lot of favorite Dylan songs.

Scott McLean 12:11

I think we both know what I don't like Monday's. I think there's a lot of confusion about that song, though. Um, my understanding of this song is this girl literally did this. She shot up a schoolyard, she killed a janitor, um, she shot some kids, and you know, the whole thing when her father asked her, she says because I don't like Mondays. But I think there was a deeper story behind her. I don't know if she was gay or if there was something uh she was she was troubled about or something like that. Um, I think over the years that story's gotten a little bit uh muddled down for lack of a better term, but what is your take on it?

Speaker 4 12:58

Well, I like like all of these songs, I think there's a lot of different interpretations. The way the way that I actually understood this story was she wasn't even at the school. Her house she wasn't it wasn't her school, you're right. Yeah, it was her, it was across she lived across the street from a school. She didn't kill a janitor, I think it was the principal that that that that she actually killed. Um but uh you know, injured I think eight eight or nine people. Okay. Um, but you know, she was she was mentally unstable, and that was the the the response that they gave her.

Scott McLean 13:36

Ah, my buddy Dave Egan just joined in. Yeah, what's up, Dave? I'm sorry. Jack. Is he is he a uh Winthrop boy? Winthrop, yeah. I know. He was friends with my yeah, I mean Egan. We might we know we knew the the Egan name in Winthrop. Yeah, he was uh Dave was uh friends with my my brothers, actually. Yeah. Uh not going to hit the lardy, but Naz could help me. I don't want to get into politics, Dave. Uh okay, we're gonna find out. We are now in technical difficulty status. It's all Jack's fault. Because he won't pay for good internet. Now back to the show.

Speaker 4 14:20

Wrote the song in like 15 minutes. Uh, but you're right, Chrissy Hind was uh at Cat State at the time. You know who else was there? Some of the guys from Devo. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, the Devo guys were were there. And some and some of them were actually there there.

Scott McLean 14:39

I didn't know that this song, which is probably one of the most loved songs of the 70s, prove me wrong. Dancing in the Moonlight by King Out. It has to be in the top 10 most loved songs of the 70s. I have never met anybody that did not like that song. Dancing in the Moonlight.

Speaker 4 15:04

I've always, always, always loved that.

Scott McLean 15:06

It's I mean, I I've you know how I do these music things on Facebook. Which song do you like better? And every once in a while I put dancing in the moonlight against Brandy, and people lose their minds. It is an absolute, almost impossibility to pick which one you like better. I love them both, but for me, it's always been dancing in the moonlight. I oh, it's so fucking hard though. It's such a great comparison because they both have that that that one thing that a song needs. I don't know. In this case, is it that the catchiness, the lyrics? It just makes you fucking feel good, right? It's just such a perfect song, but we're gonna find out. All right, so Nebraska. Uh, the sixth studio album, blah, blah, blah. Uh, okay. From the point of view of Charles Stockweather, who went on a killing spree in the 50s, Stockbrother had his first taste of blood in 57 when he killed Robert Colvert while the pair fought over a gun. That happens. But his most infamous crimes began January 58 when Stockweather killed his 14-year-old girlfriend's family. Uh, he and Carol Ann Fugat then went on a run, killing seven more people before getting caught. And Springsteen's song lyrics describe the crimes Stockweather's attempts to ensure Fugate went down with him and his eventual execution. Okay. Let's see. The Ripper, Judas Priest, the song the ripper.

Springsteen Debate And Separating Art

Speaker 4 16:40

Before you totally leave Nebraska. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know I know I I actually I don't even really even know where you where do you stand on Bruce Springsteen? Were you a fan?

Scott McLean 16:50

Uh I here we go. Well, you asked, right? You asked. Um I you know, I it's it's so hard to for me to to to like him now, but it does not mean I don't have to like his music. But they're now unfortunately connected, right? Um in that in that sense, in that political sense, because he made it that way. He has gone way out of his way to be political. He has, and he made it that way. And it's if it's his fault, not that he cares because he's a billionaire, telling people that, you know, oh, uh, you know, this is all bad, and you know, greed is bad, and blah, blah, blah. I don't want to get into it. But my view on him is he sucks. Well, I still listen to uh, you know, Nebraska if it comes on the radio. Uh yeah, I I can't not like the music because I don't like him. Unfortunately, there's a cloud over the music. You know, that's really how I it's like, would I watch Raging Bull again? I absolutely would. But fucking Daenerys was another one who did that. He ruined his fucking legacy with an entire generation, at least half of it, by just going way out of their way.

Speaker 4 18:17

Way out of their way. Does that does that mean that I have to kind of match your sensibilities and I still have to listen to kid rock?

Scott McLean 18:27

No, I mean, again, that's that's a whole and that's so there's a good comparison. There's a good comparison. Um it's up to the individual. It really, it just depends on the individual, like the person. That's that's it's how they want it, that's how they want to do it, how they want to take it. Again, I I I love that album. I love Nebraska. I was I remember, and I've told you this more than a couple times, that when it first came out, it was fucking panned, it was disgraced, it was written about, oh, it's lazy. He he just did it in his base. I remember all of that shit. And just like Paul's boutique with the Beastie Boys, I thought it was great. I thought it was great. And then all of a sudden, time passes, and people are like, it was a masterpiece. Yeah. And I know it ain't remember hearing about this album, and he, oh, he ripped off the band and blah blah blah, whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 4 19:25

Uh yeah, I mean, I mean, for me, it it took me a little while. I didn't I didn't get Nebraska right out of the gate. I wanted the big arena anthem rock, you know, like you know, Born a Run or what would become Born in the USA, which strangely enough was actually written and meant to be part of Nebraska. Uh, but they it just didn't uh it just didn't fit. Um, you know, I've grown to Nebraska is probably one of my favorite albums. And uh and uh one of our boys, um Warren Zaynes, wrote just a great book about that whole story and the process and where Springsteen was and the mental illness that he was going through and everything like that. You know, that was the basis of the basis of the film Deliver Me From Nowhere. But I'll tell you, great, great rock and roll book if you if you're if you're into it. Uh and I and I will tell you just before we like close out you know that part of the discussion, I've always felt like I've been able to kind of separate, you know, when Pearl Jam or Bono or Neil Young or Sting or whoever get political up on stage to be able to kind of like disregard it. Uh, but for me, you know, Springsteen just played Boston two weeks ago.

Speaker 20:38

Yeah.

Speaker 4 20:39

And and I did not go. I was I was tempted to go. You know, I've seen Springsteen a ton of different times. Uh, but for but for me, it was the politicalness of not only his message and the way that he started the show and whatnot, but it was the set list that he was trying to make a political statement where I was just like, I don't want to go down and hear all this. I just want to go and have fun. Exactly. Exactly. So you know, he's he's he's he's fine, you know. And and look, you you know, uh our beloved president can call him a hack and a dried-up old prune, and he's no good and he's washed up, but he's still selling out everywhere.

Scott McLean 21:24

Selling out everywhere, I might have to question that. But he's selling a lot of tickets. He's he is selling out everywhere. All right. I'm not it's not a hill I want to die on. But uh, let's get into some chat. Dave Phillips says, I'm here. Hello, Jack. Dave Phillips said that. Hello, Dave Phillips. Bob Duset jumped in with Diamond Girl, was a good one too. Uh, that is a hard one to not like from the 70s. I mean, sales and seals and uh and crowds had a couple of uh uh had uh more than a few of classic 70s, right? Absolutely, uh Patty said yellow guys. When did you come on? 7 30, Patty, because Jack was late. And Big Head Todd begged me to let him come on. Please do the show when Jack comes on. I got the text. I'll show it to you. Oh, if Jack wants to come on at 7 30, let him come on at 7.30. I miss Jack.

Speaker 4 22:20

You know, that for those of you that are watching, just so you know, I was persona non-grata from 645 to like 730.

Scott McLean 22:30

Speak English. Don't speak Greek.

Speaker 4 22:33

What was the text that you said? Hold on a second. Uh here it is. Here it is. Um if it I'm I'm eager to do the show if I get back in time. You're kidding me, right? Don't bother.

Scott McLean 22:48

Don't bother because it's fucking I I like was ready. I had I had content ready for this. I said don't bother because I had content ready in like 40 minutes before it was supposed to come on. You decide I might not make it. 40 minutes before I go on. So then I have to go chase down I'm not done yet. Then I have to go down and chase new content down. Let me finish. And then I have to chase down new content for fucking you. And then you're like, oh, I might be able to make it. And what was the text I said? Don't fuck me over on this. That's right. You did say that. I sure right fucking did. All right, let's get on with the comments. Uh let's finish my sushi. Perry, Peridovich, the uh the AI, light fingered Perry Denovich. Dancing in the Moonlight has a better chorus than Brandy to me. That's and that's that's that that's a good take. Uh Dave Phillips says, Oh, don't don't age yourself now, Dave. Dancing in the moonlight was the theme to the Wint Up High School class of 1976. Senior prom. And then unfortunately, at that time, Dave was 30.

Speaker 4 24:06

Dancing in the moonlight was the 70s version of is it saucer, is it gravy, is it David Lee Roth? Is it Sammy Hagar?

Scott McLean 24:13

Dave Phillips was 30 at his or in a senior prom. Uh big head Todd to its rock and says, just say no to Bruce Springsteen. I'll assume that was that part of the conversation. Uh Dave Phillips, King of the 45, says Springsteen is the Michael is in the Michael Jackson zone with me. Yikes! Wow. Yikes. Uh Todd says lies all lies. Nope, nope, nope. He did say it to me. And uh Bob Du said says one more 70s song, Codachrome. I I think we could go down a whole list of classic 70 songs. But there's something about Brandy and Dancing in the moonlight that just stand out. They're both great. They just stand out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 24:58

Here's the cool thing. You don't have to like one over the other, they're both fantastic.

Scott McLean 25:02

Yeah, they are. But I just like to see what people think.

Speaker 4 25:04

So moving on. The story behind, and I maybe you're getting to it, but my my understanding of the story of dancing in the moonlight, it wasn't written about a crime per se, but the guy who wrote it got the shit kicked out of him by a gang. And when he was in the hospital recovering to cheer himself up, he was writing songs trying to create an alternate universe for him. I did hear that. I did hear that. And by the way, I and I don't remember the guy's name, but he actually recorded it with his band. Uh, and I think they were Canadian, I think.

Scott McLean 25:39

Right.

Speaker 4 25:40

Uh, but it but it went nowhere. But his brother liked the song and took the song and brought it to his band, King Harvest, and it was a huge hit and has been iconic for many, many years, and it's featured on a bunch of commercials now.

Scott McLean 25:54

Yes. Uh, the Ripper, of course, Jack the Ripper. We don't have to go any further with that. Um, let's see. Ooh, look at that toe. I know. Suffer Little Children by the Smiths. Let's see. Morrisine Johnny Maher wrote the song Suffer Little Children on their debut album, inspired by the Moore's Murders. That's what it was. Did you ever get to see The Smiths? No.

unknown 26:15

No.

Speaker 4 26:16

Yeah, that's what that's definitely one of my regrets because I definitely had the opportunity. Yeah. Uh I was I was I was a late bloomer when it came to the Smiths. Too sophisticated. I was too too much into the metal phase. I was listening to Iron Maiden and Van Halen. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott McLean 26:34

Uh Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were responsible for at least five murders, between 63 and 65, burying the bodies at Saddleworth Moore. The case captured popular attention in the United Kingdom, particularly because Myra Hindley spent so much time insisting she was innocent. The song includes the names of three of the children, the child victims, uh referenced to their burial sites, and the insistence that the children's spirits will hunt Hindley for the rest of her life. Okay, there you go. Polly, Nirvana. Cobain began recording versions of Polly as early as 1987, eventually releasing the song on Nirvana's second album, Nevermind. It was inspired by the kidnapping, assault, and torture of a young teenage girl from a young teenager from Tacoma, Washington. The girl had accepted a ride home from a rock concert, not knowing that the man had already been convicted for abducting and assaulting a 12-year-old girl nearly 30 years earlier. She was able to escape the man and he was caught the next day. In a controversial twist, the song Polly was from the point of view of the rapist, and supposedly to make men recognize how dangerous these kinds of things can be. You know, uh, what's what's what's the song by Stone Temple Pilots? Um Yeah, that was uh from my understanding, that was um that was in reference to remember the girl Polly Class in in California? The dude literally climbed through her bedroom window and kidnapped her. No. Yeah, that was like around that was in the uh I want to say the mid-90s, maybe. Yeah, it's there's a lot of references to that. He actually said it. He actually said, I kind of wrote it about that. Um, lonesome death of Hattie Carroll. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 28:30

So so what what it says is it says, plush by Stone Temple Pilots is a haunting, multi-layered metaphor, while initially inspired by a tragic news story about a kidnapped and murdered woman in San Diego. The lyrics were deliberately reshaped by frontman Scott Wyland into an allegory for a deeply failed obsessive and deteriorating relationship.

Scott McLean 28:53

I had called a radio station. I was in Southern California, and this the lady was like the lady DJ was like, uh, does anyone know what this song is about? Blah, blah. And I called and she answered. And I was like, this is what it's about. And she goes, No, it's not. I go, it is. I'm telling you, it's it's inspired by that incident. Her name was Polly Class, blah, blah, blah, blah. She goes, No, it wasn't. I was fucking right. Of course you were right. Smartest man I know. Just because she's a DJ doesn't mean she knows everything. Uh, let's see. Bob Dylan is well known for political commentary. Lonesome death of Hattie Carroll, no exception, the killing of how by Billy Zangzinger in 63. Uh, you're right. Yeah, subsequent miscarriage of justice. Zanzinger assaulted multiple black employees in the Embassy Hotel, including Hattie Carroll, who ended up dying from brain hemorrhage. His lawyers argued he wasn't responsible because he was drunk and she had pre-existing health problems, succeeding in getting the murder charge dropped. The sentence for assault, the manslaughter was only, you're right, six months. Fact that Dylan's song uses to disprove the idea that all's equal. I don't like Mondays. Here we go. The Boomtown Rats released I don't like Mondays. Uh, I can't believe that came out. Uh that came out, what, 80? 79? 79. Yeah. Um fine art of surf of uh surfacing. It's based on the 79 Cleveland Elementary School shooting, where the shooter explained her reasoning as I don't like Mondays. Two adults were killed and eight children and one adult were injured. The only explanation was that the killer was bored. The song tries to come up with grips, come to grips with the senseless, senselessness of the crime, eventually settling the fact there was no good reason. Jenny was a friend of mine. Uh is the only one based on real-world events inspired by killer in 1986, preppy murders. Oh, the 1986 Preppy Murders. Uh, killer Robert Chambers had argued that he wouldn't have knowingly killed Jenny because there were friends. The killers took that line and ran with it, writing from the perspective of the killer as he finds excuses for his actions. Ohio, we just get by that.

Speaker 4 31:04

That that seems to be a theme amongst these songs that it's written from that perspective.

Scott McLean 31:09

Yeah, it's probably uh an interesting. I wonder how many angles they try to come at it from. You know what I mean? Um Ohio, we know what that one's about. Dancing in the moonlight, here we go. While the other entries on this list featured songwriters react re uh reacting to crimes they had learned about Dancing in the Moonlight has the unique perspective of being written by one of the victims of the crime. You're right. That in 1969, Sherman Kelly and his girlfriend were resting on a St. Croix beach when he was assaulted by five gang members, and his girlfriend was repeatedly assaulted. Yikes. Uh, their assailants uh may well have been the Fountain Valley gang who went on to murder at least eight tourists in 72. Listening to the song, you would never guess that it was tied to such a brutal event, but Kyler used the song as a way of processing during his recovery, explaining that he had envisioned an alternate reality, the dream of a peaceful and joyful celebration of life.

Are Supergroups Still A Thing

Scott McLean 32:05

Very interesting. Very interesting. Alright, we're back. Alright, moving on. So the original content I had lined up for, Jack. Um this, um you think superbands are a thing anymore? Should they be because they're calling um this band Drink the Ocean? Have you heard of them? Drink the Sea? Drink the Sea is a band that includes REM's Peter Buck, The Screaming Trees Barry Martin, and Queens of the Stone Age's Elaine Jonas.

Speaker 4 32:50

Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot of that that seems to be going on lately. Like, you know, Dave Grohl is in every other freaking band that that's out there. Dave Grohl, yeah.

Scott McLean 32:59

You don't like Dave Grohl? No, I I think Dave Grohl is is one of those guys that is like um what's his name? Um from uh from Limp Biscuit, the lead singer, I don't know why I'm Fred Durst? Yeah, like there was a time where Fred Durst was fucking everywhere, and people just got sick of him.

Speaker 4 33:21

Yeah, Dave Grohl is is pretty much.

Scott McLean 33:23

I think people are just tired of Dave Grohl.

Speaker 4 33:25

Yeah. I I I I kind of get it.

Scott McLean 33:28

Yeah.

Speaker 4 33:29

Uh he's the sound. I like him.

Scott McLean 33:31

I don't not I like him. I like him. How about the how about how about the band you saw last year? Didn't you go see what was it, the Hollywood Vampires? No, no, no. I saw the Joe Perry project.

Speaker 4 33:41

Uh oh, that's right.

Scott McLean 33:42

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 33:43

Uh but who was in the Joe Perry project when you saw him?

Scott McLean 33:46

It was Joe Perry, it was uh Brad Whitford, it was uh Chris uh uh uh Chris uh Robinson from the Black Crows, and it was the bass player from the Stone Temple Pilots. It was supposed to be the drummer from the Stone Temple Pilots, but his mother was sick. So Steve Perry uh reached out, uh Joe Perry reached out to his old Joe Perry project drummer, and the guy came through for him on the tour. Yeah.

Speaker 4 34:11

But look like um uh Tom York from Radio Head has been playing with Flea. Um there's a I mean to me, it seems like there's a lot of those bands where plea people are playing with each other. I love it. I think it's great. This band made three albums, though.

Scott McLean 34:30

They're touring their third album. Like that's I think that's great. I think they all probably have a good amount of money that they can just gotta do it and it's fun to them. It's a fun project. Yeah. Whereas back in the day when the supergroups were put together, it was a big money machine. You know who always they were getting like hyped up and they were going on tours and making a lot of money.

Speaker 4 34:51

You know how it was always appreciated who did stuff like that and didn't care about the money because he had probably more money than God anyway, was Bowie. Yeah, but Bowie went out, he played keyboards for you know for an Iggy pop tour. Yeah, did didn't sing a word, you know. Maybe he sang backing vocals or anything like that, but he didn't sing any of his material at all.

unknown 35:12

Right.

Speaker 4 35:12

And even what when I saw, remember when Tin Machine was a thing in the late 80s and early 90s?

Speaker 35:18

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 35:19

Um, you know, the only issue with Tin Machine, you know, again, David Bowie played guitar. Uh he he actually did sing vocals, but didn't do any of his own, you know, solo material. You know, the problem with that band, they sucked. They sucked. They sucked. They sucked.

Scott McLean 35:37

Um, here we go. Uh, let me see. All lies. Oh, Dave Phyllis, king of the 45s. He said, uh, you know it's coming. F you, Scott. He was 30, 30 years old in a senior pro. Uh Bob Du Set says, even though the Beatles didn't perform Hell to Skelter about the Mansons' killings, it was about other crimes. Yeah. They just took the the term. The Mansons, Help to Skelter was already out before the Manson killings. They used it as a thing. But I don't know, I didn't know it was about other crimes. I don't think it is. I can't think about it. You've been the

Helter Skelter Meaning And Myth

Scott McLean 36:20

you've been the research guy. Research it. Let's call out Bob Dusset live. Live in front of everyone.

Speaker 36:28

Hold on, hold on, no.

Scott McLean 36:29

I know. I'm just I'm I'm I'm I'm hyping this, Jenek. Jesus.

Speaker 4 36:34

Uh so it says uh written by Paul McCartney for the Beatles' 1968 white album, Helter Skelton, was originally a tongue-in-cheek attempt to write the loudest, dirtiest rock and roll song imaginable. It is considered one of the earliest precursors to heavy metal. Uh let's see.

Scott McLean 36:52

Okay, Bob DeSet's like defending himself. He's and he's right. Uh, that was a question. He said with three question marks.

Speaker 4 37:02

It says the song's title comes from a British amusement park ride. How about that? Did you know that? No, I didn't. I didn't. The song's title comes from a British amusement park ride, a towering spiral slide McCartney used as a metaphor for a chaotic ups and downs of life in the intense, tumultuous dynamics of romantic relationships.

Scott McLean 37:25

You've heard of Laz Anderson's, right? You've heard of Laz Anderson's over in Brookline, the park. Yeah. Yeah. My father used to take us over there, right? When in the springtime and sometimes in the summer, and like he would break out his little black and white TV that was probably, you know, fell off the back of a truck. I think he had 27 of them in his in his dock room, right? And uh he'd watch like a Bruins game on a Sunday. And Los Anderson's had this fucking giant slide, and it was like that. It was that that swirl. You went around and around, and it was, but it was metal. It wasn't it wasn't the plastic shit they make today. This thing, like if you banged it, it was like banging a fucking trash can. And so when you get tossed from side to side, all you heard it was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But we did it every fucking 15 times just in one Sunday.

Speaker 4 38:18

Um, so so by the way, before you go, it it says musically, Helter Skelder was inspired by McCartney's desire to out rock the Who, who had recently claimed to have record recorded the loudest, most raucous track in rock history, but they don't say what it is.

Scott McLean 38:35

Look at what Bob Du Set said to me. What did he say? How dare you! I put it at the bottom of the screen. Read it correctly, you dumbass. What you know what, Bob Du Set? Fuck you!

Speaker 4 38:52

Hey, I'm gonna read it any way I want now. I I went to Wintrip High School. I read real good.

Scott McLean 39:00

Lightfinger Perry Denovich uh says the AI, the term supergroup, well, sometimes the music is good and sometimes the music is crap. He's right. Supergroup is just people from other bands. I don't know. The term was put together. So what was the first supergroup? Supposedly, it was cream, right? Like in modern rock type of uh you know cream he says, Thank you, Jack, for your nicely worded explanation. Thank you, Bob Du said. Fuck you. Did I say that nicely, Jack?

Speaker 4 39:37

So what cream uh Crosby still is an ash? Yeah. One of the first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, definitely after cream.

Speaker 39:48

Yeah.

Scott McLean 39:50

Yeah. What if uh what if Graham Nash stayed with the with the Hollies? How big would they have been? They were already big, they were a hit machine. Yeah, they were big. He didn't like it though. He didn't like the staticness of it, that it was just it was very formulaic. He hated that. But they were making money, they were fucking making hits.

Speaker 4 40:12

So talk about seeing like old veteran acts. Deb and I are actually going to see Graham Nash for the sheer fact that he's playing at Jimmy's jazz in the Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Yeah, you know, 400 seats. Yeah. We are literally sitting in the front row. Okay. Just thought it would be fun. It's like a Tuesday night.

Scott McLean 40:34

Well, he might hit on Deb. Watch it.

Speaker 4 40:36

That's that's fine.

Scott McLean 40:37

Watch it now.

Speaker 4 40:38

I would take that badge of honor.

Scott McLean 40:39

Imagine if he just looked down at the first row, he goes, What are you doing with him?

Speaker 4 40:46

I think that happens a lot. Maybe, maybe not from the stage. Walking down the stage. It's either that or it's like, oh my God, isn't that nice that that lovely woman is taking her grandfather out for a walk?

Scott McLean 41:04

He looks demented. Uh so now we got Dave Phillips, King of the 45s, piping in on Hell to Skelter. Manson used the title of how come I can't see the. I'm gonna put it up there. It's just it's it's cutting into you, and I'm trying to keep you on the let me see. Manson used the title of Hell to Skelter when he sent his people to go out and commit Hell to Skelter and kill people. What does he mean by commit health to skelter? Dave, Dave, stick to your 45s, buddy. Stick to dancing in the moonlight at your senior prom when you were 30.

Speaker 4 41:38

So so it does say here, it does say here for those of you that are interested.

Scott McLean 41:42

But it doesn't explain what health to skelter means.

Speaker 4 41:44

There is there is a Manson misinterpretation. Tragically, the song was hijacked by cult leader Charles Manson.

Scott McLean 41:53

Yes.

Speaker 4 41:53

Manson bizarrely interpreted Helterskelter as a secret apocalyptic prophecy predicting a race war in America. He and his followers used the twisted concept to orchestrate a series of brutal, infamous murders in 1969, basically bringing an end to the hippie generation. I added that last part for a little color. Thank God for that.

Scott McLean 42:19

But they're all back, anyways. Um, health to skeleton Jody McDonald. Hey Jody, how are you? Welcome to the show. Health the skeleton came before those crimes, and it refers to a merry-go-round. Uh-huh. All right. So we have a whole bunch of, and Dave uh Phillips says health to skeleton means go crazy. Yeah, so Jack, look up the definition. Just Google the definition, or just ask AI. I don't even use Google anymore. It's too convoluted.

Speaker 4 42:48

So helterskelter is an adverb. Read the book, Scott. So helter help helterskelter is an adverb and adjective that means acting in a hurried, confused, or highly disorganized manner. Thank you. Thank you. It describes situations characterized by chaos, rush panic, or a lack of orderly planning.

Scott McLean 43:12

Much like this show. Yeah, when you call in 40 minutes before and say, It's Helder Skelder! I'm gonna find some content. So Dave Phillips tells me to read the book. You read the book. Because you said it means go crazy. Uh you read the book, Dave Phillips, King of the 45s. Not me. You and fucking Bob Duset read the fucking book. Fuck Boltius tonight. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, I'm they're they're coming at me, Jack. They're coming at me. I have to defend myself. You're getting all manson you help the skelter over there. Dave Phillips getting me all health or skeltered. And Bob Duset, too. Health to skeleton means kill people.

Speaker 4 43:54

Dude, you should be a lot more relaxed as a retired individual. You know, like I don't. Like Mondays?

Scott McLean 44:01

Do you even know what a Monday is anymore? Well, actually, with all I do, I try to take Monday and Friday off and squeeze it all into the middle of the week. Maybe I should alter that. But also drinking this hyperactive uh turbo ice coffee that I always drink before this show. That doesn't help my uh I'll probably get to bed at one in the morning. In other words, but hey, I'm retired. I can do that. Uh-oh. What are you walking away for? What the fuck with this guy? What's he gonna go get another tuna fish sandwich like he did before? What do you got? I need my Wobwa. I need my water. My Wobwa? Jackie drinking Wobwa? Is it hot up in your attic? I was parched. I was parched.

Speaker 4 44:54

Um I was freaking parched. Let's get to something real quick. Here in New England, I was parched. I wish I had a tonic.

unknown 45:01

Yeah.

Scott McLean 45:01

Okay, yeah, right now the store and get me a tonic. Get me a tonic. Oh, remember back in the day when everything was a coke? I gotta go to a coke, but meanwhile, you get like a Fanta orange with front of the city.

Speaker 4 45:11

I don't remember that. I think that's a lie.

Scott McLean 45:12

I called everything a Coke. Everything was a Coke, and then you just like go in and you grab a Fanta Orange.

Speaker 4 45:18

Mom, I mom, I want to go down and get a tonic. Sure. Here's a note. Get me a pack of camels.

Scott McLean 45:23

All right, let's run down this list. Um

Summer Mega Tours Worth It

Scott McLean 45:25

all right, so we got a lot of tours this summer. A lot of uh questionable, I would say, tours. See, look at that. Dave Phillips and Bondeset went quiet. I think I think I put them in their place. Or they stopped watching. Or they just all right. So we got this. It's gone. This is labeled under the Mega Packages and Festivals. The Generations Tour. Have you heard about the Generations Tour? Uh I don't know. The Human League. Soft Cell, which isn't Soft Cell. There was only two of them. One of them died recently. So the main one, the singer, died, but okay. And Alison Moye. What do you rate that? Rate that concert. I have to rate it high because Deb and I are going to it. Are you really? We are. I always liked Allison Moyer. I like Soft Cell and I like the Human League. So it's not a lot of people. You know what?

Speaker 4 46:22

We're going in there with low to no expectations. I don't know when the last time that the Human League uh ever toured. I've never certainly never saw him.

Scott McLean 46:31

Right.

Speaker 4 46:32

We just we just thought it was fun. It was it wasn't a lot of money. It's at the Wang Center in Boston, which is a beautiful theater.

Scott McLean 46:38

Right.

Speaker 4 46:39

So so yeah, we're going to that one.

Scott McLean 46:41

Okay. All right. Uh, the Totally Tubular Festival. You heard about that one? Yes, but I don't remember who's in it. Thomas Dolby, A Flock of Seagulls, The Motels, Animotion. You my obsession. This is like a lot of bands that had one or two good songs, right? Uh, The Escape Club, The Wild Wild West, Pew. And Tommy Tutone. Motherfucker's still around. Living off one song. Uh-oh, wait, wait. They they they both replied to me. Uh Bob Duset playing Battlefield and My Squad Needs Me. And Dave Phillips, fuck you, Scott. The book written by I can't read the rest. Fuck you, Scott. That's the second time tonight. He said, fuck you. Oh, all right. I'm gonna take this. This is insulting to me. I will take them down for a minute. Uh okay. Rate that concert.

Speaker 4 47:53

You know what? I would rather go see just the motels. I think you're right.

Scott McLean 47:59

I think you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 48:01

You know what? Again, immediately.

Scott McLean 48:03

Can Martha Davis handle it anymore? Like I don't know. Well, is Martha Davis in the motels? I believe she is. She is the motels.

Speaker 4 48:16

Yeah, maybe, maybe not. You know, I I I assume that you're right that she's still in it, but there's no there's no guarantee. Look, the Deb and I last year we went to uh 80s, I think it was called 80s live, and it was Flock of Seagulls, uh Big Country, uh The Vapors. Uh God, who who else was there? Uh China Crisis. There were there were like five or six bands, and I went in there. It was like, I don't want to go to this show. This is gonna suck. It was the most entertaining show. Okay. Because they all came out and they did one or two songs.

Speaker 48:56

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 48:57

They just played their hits. You know, nobody, nobody came out and said, Hey, I want to take you through my play off my new album. My new my new record that I wrote in my basement. It's my homage to Nebraska. You know, like uh I like icicle works were there. And the guy came out and he did Whisper to a scream, which I always loved that song.

Scott McLean 49:16

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's still a great song. Yeah.

Speaker 4 49:19

He came out and he did that one song and he got the fuck off there.

Scott McLean 49:24

Are those is is that's the that's I think were those guys, or they had a heavy influence by uh by uh from Adam and the Ants. Because that Adam and the Ants had that original beat that the two drummers, um, and then of course they became Bow Wow Wow after they kicked Adam Ann out, but that whole drum sound, they kind of really cornered the market on it. But ice schoolworks, that's a great song. Yeah, that is a great song. Um all right, Billy Idol, but he's doing his Vegas raise residency, so no, no, no, he's coming into New Hampshire.

Speaker 4 50:00

You know who the opening band is. Who's that? Divo.

Scott McLean 50:05

Because it says here, uh New Wave and pop rock icons, hot in the city, uh Billy Idol, Vegas residency. It doesn't really say he's he's playing up here in Guilford, New Hampshire, and he's playing up at the main bank center up in Big Bang.

Speaker 4 50:20

Would you go see him now? I I would go to that to go see Devo.

Scott McLean 50:25

Okay. All right. Uh Rick Springfield. What do you think of Rick Springfield? I would not pay a penny to see Rick Springfield. All right. Men at work. Well, of course, you'd have to go see Men at Work. I'd I would rather see Colin Hay solo. Yeah. Really? It's the same thing. Oh, you're talking acoustically? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I I would go to that too. I would go to that too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 50:51

We've we've seen we've seen Colin Hay a couple of times. He's actually really good.

Scott McLean 50:55

Oh, I mean, his voice is still great. Very challenging. Right?

Speaker 4 51:00

Still still have has the voice. I mean, calling it men and work, I get it. You sell more tickets that way, but it's it's basically Colin Hay and a bunch of other guys. Okay. All right. Look, look, the real the reality of it is at their height of their popularity, it was Colin Hay and a bunch of other guys. Yeah.

Scott McLean 51:17

Well, yeah, I I think that so MTV made them unique. Like that that the the uh the the Saxon player was a very unique looking individual. Like there was people that stood out in that band. I I he he passed away, by the way.

Speaker 4 51:32

But um but but he but here's here's the thing you know, look, we have an astute and intelligent audience listening to us right now. I would offer hundreds of dollars if anybody, Bob Dusset, Dave Egan, any of them could name any one other member of Men at Work. No, you're right.

Scott McLean 51:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. All right, here we go. Fucking Dave.

Speaker 4 51:54

You always had you always had you always had those types of bands. You know, Matchbox 20, Rob Thomas, and those other guys. Oh, don't say anything about Matchbox 20 with Dave Phillips. I like Matchbox. So fuck Matchbox 20.

Scott McLean 52:05

Fuck Dave Phillips, king of the 45s. Jack, ask Scotty about the songs he's been posting for us to race. So I do this thing, rate this 80 song or this 90s song or this 70s song from one to 10. And I just pick these random songs that were this motherfucker. I don't know what he stopped listening to music in like 1970 after his seeing the prom when he was.

Speaker 4 52:27

Well, why don't we poll the audience for everybody that's listening right now? Let's let's rate Scott's rate this song.

Scott McLean 52:35

I give it a 10 because no one else is doing it. Let's see if we get any response.

Speaker 4 52:40

I entertain everybody with those things, whether they like it or not. Rate this song.

Scott McLean 52:46

They have no place to rate anything that I do because none of them do anything like that. They live to see my posts. I still I still can't see the the comments. All right, I'll put it back up. I I took it down for a second. There's nothing there. Dude, I know you like to you know have control over these things, but come on. There have been some bad songs. So when I say rate it, it doesn't mean like I'm saying everything is a 10. It's your opinion if it's good or bad. Rate it a one. I don't give a fuck. I'm just curious to see there's people that rate it one, and there's people that rate it a nine or an eight, right? So you look at the the whole dichotomy between it and you say, This is interesting. But these motherfuckers gotta take this shit serious, and they gotta just go tear a man down.

Speaker 4 53:32

They're all about tearing a man down tonight. Let me let me let me ask you something. Have you actually put up songs where you've gotten a 10 and a one? Yes.

Scott McLean 53:41

I believe I have. I believe I have, yeah. Yeah. Like, like, so I I I posted I posted Freedom, Freedom 90 by George Michaels the other day. Right? 10. Right. And fucking Dave Phillips gave it a I think he gave it a negative one.

Speaker 4 53:56

Yeah, you may, you know, look, it may not be. This is what I mean.

Scott McLean 53:58

Like, so this is what's interesting about those posts, is it's to see who like, like, you know, wow, okay. I thought like Dave Phillips, he never gives anything. Unless I stopped posting shit from 1957 when he was in high school, I I think he he doesn't like anything after after dancing in the moonlight. Back when he was dancing in the moonlight. Uh see Patty Ause gave gave George Michaels a 10. And in April Banak gave it a zero. Todd, big head Todd, 1.1. Matchbox is better than anything you've posted. This one the fuck.

Speaker 4 54:41

Freedom Freedom 90, in my opinion, is classic song. It's a great song.

Scott McLean 54:46

It certainly is. It certainly is. But it's it's not for everybody.

Speaker 4 54:50

You know, I get it.

Scott McLean 54:51

What are you gonna do? That's the fourth time he's told me to fuck you, Scott. Uh let me see. Let me take his post down. He doesn't deserve to be on that on that screen. Uh let me let me run down a couple other things. Uh, we have uh all right, 80s arena rock and hair metal, right? So you got Brian Adams. I'd see Brian Adams. Sure. All right.

Speaker 4 55:15

I'm I'm a big enough, I'm a big enough fan. I like Brian Adams.

Scott McLean 55:18

When are these motherfuckers gonna stop? Motley Crue. Oh god, I would never see them now.

Speaker 4 55:24

Far in the Farner in total. All right, go ahead. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Backing Tracks And Live Show Trust

Speaker 4 55:30

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just slow down a second. Vince Neal cannot sing at all. No, no. At all. Nothing. Um, there's this there there is a there is a lot of, and I mean a lot, of accusations that Motley Crue are no longer playing their instruments, that they're up there basically.

Scott McLean 55:47

Mick Mars said Nikki Six is playing fucking backing tracks on his bass.

Speaker 4 55:52

Not even playing the bass. Here is one of the advantages of today's technology or social media. You know, you consider a band like Motley Crue, all you need to do is to go to YouTube and pull up a couple of uh their live videos, and I guarantee you'll be like, nope, especially given the fact that those fucking assholes are charging three, four, five hundred dollars a ticket.

Scott McLean 56:15

So there's a dude, I forget the name of his YouTube channel, but what he does is he'll take songs that are recorded live, right? And then he'll play it from the next live show, right? And they fucking Matt, and he does all the breakdown. What is did you just yawn? I did. It's been a long day. I'm not retired. Jesus. Um, and they're the exact same pitch. You don't have to call me Jesus.

Speaker 4 56:39

Thank you, though.

Scott McLean 56:40

That's very it's moving on. They're the exact same pitch, which is impossible, really, unless you are like the consummate singer, right? To do it live.

Speaker 4 56:49

I was I was so pleased that that they did that to you two. And and you two passed the test. Like that. Bottle's not gonna do a backing track.

Scott McLean 56:57

No, yeah.

Speaker 4 56:58

Well, no, no, no, no, no. U2 definitely plays to a backing track, but they play their instruments live.

Scott McLean 57:06

So the backing track is what? Keyboards, but by and large. Oh, all right, yeah, things like that. I mean, those fillers. I don't even call that a backing track, I call that a filler, right? Yeah, so it fills the song, right? But a backing track is when you're faking playing the bass or you're lip syncing, right? That's what I call like a backing track. But but here's here's how times have changed.

Speaker 4 57:28

When we were kids, if anybody was playing to any other than what was going on on stage, no, no, no, no. That was a big, big no-no.

Scott McLean 57:37

Looking back, I wish Black Sabbath and Bloys the Cult had fucking done backing tracks. Dio sounded pretty good. I didn't I didn't that was not a great show.

Speaker 4 57:49

No, no, no, no, but way overrated, but but not not helped by a kind of a bad venue, sound wise.

Scott McLean 57:57

Uh yeah, the garden. Would you go? Uh Dave Phillips, King of the 45s, would either of you go see the guess who on their current tour? No.

Speaker 4 58:04

Yes. Okay. I think that there's enough songs. I've never seen The Guess Who. Uh, but but I wouldn't pay a ton of money. Uh, they they are playing here in New Hills. Is it the uh the is it the original band? It's it's Randy Bachman and um is it the lead singer or is it the original band? Burton Cummings. So you you're gonna get you're gonna get all of the original vocalists. I don't know who else is is in the band. Right. Um I I think that that show would probably be pretty good. I wouldn't go too far and wouldn't pay too much to see it. Right. But if I let's put it this way if I were traveling, you know, if I found myself in Cleveland and I looked online to see who was playing locally, which I do a lot, and they were playing down the street, I'd go.

Scott McLean 58:49

I had a chance to see Tesla pretty much down the street. I didn't go. I don't know why. I hate when you're showing like a fucking Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 58:58

I just yeah, but you're retired.

Speaker 59:00

You don't yeah, I know.

Scott McLean 59:02

No, I I fucked up. I I should have gone to see them. Yeah. Um, Foreigner and Toto. It's foreigner why is Foreigner even calling themselves Foreigner anymore, right? Because they they are a corporate entity. It is unbelievable that they uh they like who would have thought who would have thought 30 years ago that they would be just a fucking name, literally just a name, everyone still going out on tour.

Speaker 4 59:26

Every band name is a foreigner to being in foreigner. Oh man, not one original member, not one. No, but but here's the thing, you know, Scott, when you go beyond guys like you, you and I are probably our lovely audience here, there are a bunch of people that they don't give a shit, they just want to hear the music. Right, you're right, you're right, yeah. So but but here's here's the thing. If you if you had on the same night, right, that that you had Foreigner, right? They were playing with with Toto at the amphitheater, and it's $300 a ticket, right? Or you have hot-blooded the Foreigner Tribute band that's playing for $40, right? I don't think I don't think you're gonna get much different.

Scott McLean 1:00:13

Right.

Speaker 4 1:00:14

Or much difference, you know. I mean, you know, there's a lot of money behind Foreigner, so you're gonna get the production, but but even those guys that weren't in the original band, I can guarantee you that those guys are playing to a backing track, yeah, and have enhanced vocals or whatnot. You know, people again, they don't care about the integrity of the music, they just want to hear you think the original members are still getting paid. Uh do you think they get a cut of it? I I think some of the principal people like Mick Jones and uh Lou probably get paid. Yeah, Lou Graham probably get paid. You know, there's some of the other guys, they might, you know, depending upon how their contract was written, if they had an equity stake in the in the band, they might get a a little something. All right. Let's retirement fund. Toto, would you see Toto? If they were playing with somebody else, I wouldn't go to Toto.

Scott McLean 1:01:06

Foreigner in Toto. That's that's the tour.

Speaker 4 1:01:08

I'd probably look they're playing here. Um I'm not going.

Scott McLean 1:01:13

Yeah. Uh oh. This one. Twisted Sister. No. No. No, not if Sebastian Back is the lead singer. No. And I didn't like them to begin with. I never liked any of their songs. I didn't like the whole gimmick. I was too fucking smart for it, I think. I hated the whole fucking the whole gimmick that they put up, but it it appealed to a lot of people. Um I just thought I love that you found one band that you could say that you were too smart for it. What about Rush? That's that's a tough one. Um in April, but on I'm getting to Journey.

Speaker 4 1:01:55

So so for me, Rush is a tough one because I've seen the original three or four times. Last time with Deb, I think she was the only woman in the audience that worked, wasn't working the concession stand or security. She was she was an actual fan. A bunch of smelly ass men. There were no women, there were no people of color in the audience whatsoever.

Scott McLean 1:02:22

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:02:23

Um 11-year hiatus, they've been on. They're coming to Boston. You know, you know, part of the issue is again, you know, like if if rush with their new drummer, who she's supposedly phenomenal. Um, if they if they were playing and it was like 50 bucks, yeah, yeah, it'd probably go. But if if it's 350, I I don't know that it's part of the show. No question. No question. But the this woman is supposedly amazing. Okay. ACDC. Uh, yeah, I would go see ACDC again. All right. Guns and Roses. Uh again, you know, do I have good seats? Is it actually affordable? Are they playing, you know, if they if they were playing at the garden, maybe, you know, if they're playing in Foxboro, absolutely not. Have you ever seen them before? I've seen them a bunch. I actually saw them open for Aerosmith. Okay. All right. So I saw them when they were first coming up where they were hungry. They were unbelievable. And I saw them one more time in like 80, maybe it was early 90s, I think it was at the garden. And and somebody, so this was about the time that Axl Rose was, you know, showing up late and you know, stopping the shows and stuff like that. They had just had that riot. I think what was that in St. Louis when they were playing with Metallica?

Scott McLean 1:03:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:03:56

And a couple of weeks later, they they played Boston without Metallica. They they were on their own. And fucking Axl Rose made everybody stop playing their instruments, yeah, stopped the show, made them put up the house lights because some idiot threw a bottle of an empty bottle of Zambuka up on stage. And he sat on the drum riser and lectured, you know, 15,000 people.

unknown 1:04:20

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:04:21

And said, you know, anybody throws anything up here again, we're leaving. I'm not fucking impressed that you drank a bottle of Zambuka. It was stupid.

Scott McLean 1:04:29

Yeah. Well, uh, this one would be a never even in that prime. Uh Bon Jovi. Yeah. Yeah. Probably.

Speaker 4 1:04:42

Probably not.

Scott McLean 1:04:43

Yeah. Is Richie Zambora playing with him? No, he hasn't played with. And it's really, it's just go see John Bon Jovi. Is Tico, is Tico Torres playing with him? Uh, yes.

Speaker 4 1:04:56

Okay. Yeah. And the and the keyboard player is still with him, whatever his fucking name is. I can't remember.

Scott McLean 1:05:03

What about uh uh the dynamic code co-headliners uh in packages? Santana and the doobie brothers.

Speaker 4 1:05:14

You know what again, if if it was close, if it was cheap, you know, nice summer night, why not? I I like the doobies, you know. Carlos is always good.

Scott McLean 1:05:25

Uh wait, you don't like Carlos? No. One of the only people that one of the only like I have my you know, my record collection. I give away my Santana albums because they'll never get played.

Speaker 4 1:05:37

You know, it's not it's not.

Scott McLean 1:05:39

I liked them when I was younger because it was cool to like Carlos Santana, but then after a while, it was just the same thing.

Speaker 4 1:05:44

I I will tell you, I'll I will tell you that if Carlos, if Santana and the Doobie Brothers were playing somewhere locally,

Legacy Bands With No Original Members

Speaker 4 1:05:50

yeah. It it depends on who's going on first. If Santana's on first, I'm going to the show late where I hear one or two songs. From Carlos. And that's it. And then the Doobie Brothers. Or ideally, you know, the Doobie Brothers go on first and you watch one or two songs from Santana and get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 1:06:11

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:06:12

Beat the crowd. That would be okay. I might agree with that. If you were, if we were going to that concert, that was the game plan, then I would I would probably go with you then. Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:06:21

Yeah. You know, cut out of there early and beat the other 38 people to the parking lot.

Scott McLean 1:06:26

At the at the 400C Club. Um Chicago and Sticks. No. That would be a concert where I would say, let's go see Chicago. And then if Sticks is coming on, we're leaving it at the mission. It would be an entertaining show. I think Chicago would be an entertaining show. I think it would be.

Speaker 4 1:06:45

I saw so a couple of years ago, Deb and I saw you two out at the um at the sphere.

Speaker 1:06:50

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:06:51

And uh and I had to stay out there because I was traveling for business, and Deb Deb went home. So I had the next night to myself in the hotel that I was staying in, Chicago was playing like in the theater that was in there. And I went and saw them, and they and they were great. I mean, look, they've been doing basically the same show for you know 30 or 40 years. They got it down, and it was great hearing like a lot, a lot of those old classics. But when they said, you know, the 70s were really good for us, but the 80s were really good as well. Time to go. I was like, that's it, everybody.

Scott McLean 1:07:24

Time to go, yeah. Adios. You know what? It might now that you I I think about it, I probably would think about it and say, well, you know, who's who does the Terry Kath songs, right? And the Peter Sotera songs were good in the 70s. You're right, right? But he's not singing with them either. So who are you going to see? The horn section, right? So I guess I would probably change my mind and say that's a no.

Speaker 4 1:07:44

That's there's there's like there's like three original guys from Chicago, and they and they're and they're none of the important guys.

Scott McLean 1:07:51

They're the ones that put out, but they have put out an album a year for like fucking 40 years or some shit like that. Is that the case? 50 years, like some crazy record they have.

Speaker 4 1:08:02

I I will tell you, I will tell you from my experience, yeah, and I only only saw them that one time. It is a very sterile show.

Scott McLean 1:08:10

Oh, I bet.

Speaker 4 1:08:11

I bet it is a very, very sterile show. The stage is very clean, they are all kind of pristine. There's not a note that's that's out of place. Yeah, it it it it lacked a little bit of soul.

Scott McLean 1:08:24

Yeah, I gotcha.

Speaker 4 1:08:25

Uh Deep Purple in Kansas. Oh my god. Um no. I I never really cared for Kansas. I never did either. They have two good songs. You know, they they they had you know one or two good songs and one of them. One of them in the wind and carry on. Carry on isn't even a really good song. No, no, Dust in the Wind is not a very good song.

Scott McLean 1:08:47

It's an okay song. It's a listenable song. I don't I don't keep like if it comes on the radio, I might switch off. Like, you know. Yeah, it's it's a you gotta be in the mood for it, song. If you're out in a boat and yacht rock is on, you listen to it. Well, you had a barbecue, it's in the background, you listen to it. Do you go out of your way to play it? No.

Speaker 4 1:09:10

Look, you know, look, just just like we put out the challenge of name the members of Men at Work aside from Colin A. Yeah, I would challenge our audience to name one Kansas song outside of Carry On My Wayward Son.

Scott McLean 1:09:21

So when the violinist died, if if anyone had said that you know Jimmy Schmidt died from Kansas, no one would have known he was the violinist, right? He died like a year or two ago. But they said the it started like the violinist from Kansas, you know, uh Jimmy Schmidt, whatever his fucking name was. Then it was like, oh my god, he died. No one would have known. No. And who's in fucking Deep Purple, anyways? That's that's a good question. That might be another band that like the drummer is the original guy. Right? And if a drummer is the original member in a band, it's not the band.

Speaker 4 1:10:00

All right, Deep Purple's current lineup is Ian Gillen. Okay, who is who was in the band in 69.

Scott McLean 1:10:09

Probably the best version, I think, of Deep Purple.

Speaker 4 1:10:12

And Roger Clover, who's been in the band since '69. Bass player? Bass player. Yeah. He always wears the hat. Yeah. And Ian and Ian Pace. So you have three. Okay. But but but but that that's another one that I would definitely go to YouTube just to see. Can Ian Gillen actually?

Scott McLean 1:10:31

I was just gonna say that. Can he hit those notes anymore? Yeah, I doubt it. No. Smoke in the water might be like fucking cigarette button and ashtray.

Speaker 4 1:10:39

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:10:40

Right. I doubt it. Uh, let's see. Brian Adams with Pat Benatar and Neil Girardo. Isn't that nice to see? Absolutely. I'm gonna go to that puts him in there now. I love that she does that. She loves her man. Absolutely. He got all his credit too late, though.

Speaker 4 1:10:55

I would absolutely go to that show. I mean, you you would you would know 99.9% of not only the songs, sure, but the lyrics.

Scott McLean 1:11:03

Yeah. I saw uh I recently saw a clip of a Brian Adams concert, and he starts off like it, ek, ek, ek, and some dude runs up on stage, right? And Brian Adams just kind of backs off, and the dude grabs and goes, I bought my first real six drink, and then the security takes him and runs away. And Brian Adams steps up and goes, In a second, it's still he picked the song up right where it went. He he handled that really well. It was almost like it was played, and that's another thing Dave Grohl does. He does the old Barno U2 trick. They pull these kids up on stage during a show that are these master guitarists.

Speaker 4 1:11:39

So can we can we talk about that for a second? Yeah, like they that gimmick is dead.

Scott McLean 1:11:44

It's dead, it's so fucking dead.

Speaker 4 1:11:46

You you two kind of created that kind of yeah, right? But but the the Food Fighters do it, Green Day does it. There's there are so many bands that that do it. Like, look, I paid a lot of money to come to the show. Don't don't give it to some schmuck in the audience.

Scott McLean 1:12:02

Some yeah, some kid that can play the guitar and it's already blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 1:12:07

Actually, you you know who is who saw I saw it.

Scott McLean 1:12:15

That's what we say.

Speaker 4 1:12:16

Do you uh do you know who originated the hey, come up and play with us?

Scott McLean 1:12:22

Legendary was it the Who when Keith Moon passed out? That's right.

Speaker 4 1:12:27

In the Boston Garden, right? No, no, I think it was uh I think it was the Cow Palace or Okay, okay, one of one of one of those places.

Scott McLean 1:12:36

Yeah, yeah. Um, were you a Pat Benatar or a Blondie kid?

Speaker 4 1:12:41

I like them both.

Scott McLean 1:12:43

No, if you had to put a poster up in your room, who was going up? Pat Benatar?

Speaker 4 1:12:47

No, no, listen, let's put let's put it this way. You know, we're we're living in Boston.

Scott McLean 1:12:51

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:12:52

Blondie's playing at one venue, Pat Benatar's playing at another.

Scott McLean 1:12:56

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:12:56

I'm going to see Blondie.

Scott McLean 1:12:58

Me too.

Speaker 4 1:12:59

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:13:00

I love I I had the the the fucking four foot, maybe five foot poster of Blondie up on my wall in my room.

unknown 1:13:08

Yeah.

Scott McLean 1:13:08

She was just she was hot as hell. I've I've seen Pat Benatar a couple of times, and she's great. I saw her too. I saw her live. Yeah, she was great. She was great. You know, the the first time I'm just saying looks-wise, like, because they're both like that same little pixie type, you know, uh uh look.

Speaker 4 1:13:26

The first time I saw Pat Benatar, the opening act, yeah. G Johnny Cougar.

Scott McLean 1:13:32

Oh shit. There you go. Um, all right, let's wrap this up with some of these. Uh, these might be uh easy. Legendary solo artist in farewell laps. The Eagles, the long goodbye act three. This they fucking no, that's a no, that's a no, that's a no.

Speaker 4 1:13:50

Uh I've I saw I've seen part of their uh farewell tour. I think it was like three years ago. They they're fantastic. They're they're really good. They have it down. You're gonna hear every you're you're gonna walk out of there saying, I heard every single one fries son.

Scott McLean 1:14:06

I I saw them. I saw them do the Hell Freals overtour. I was in California, Southern California. The block pavilion. I was security. I was security, so I was really close to the stage, and I didn't I was corrupt. I took money from people to go, you know, sit down closer. And I took money from people to let them smoke weed, and I turned my back when people complained. And then the person that gave me the money to smoke the weed, I threw him out. Did you give him a refund? He he's like, I gave you 50 bucks. I'm like, no, you didn't. Get the you're out, you're gone. And I call the guy and they come and take him away, and I continue to watch the show. Uh, Journey, as April was bringing up early. Journey. Would you go see them now?

Speaker 4 1:14:48

I I would only go see them if again, if I were traveling and if they were playing close, and it was, you know, like Deb would never go see Journey.

Scott McLean 1:14:57

Right. I saw I saw them with with Dr. Vera. Uh, great show. We had great seats. Arnell Pineda, of course. Um, they made him do this final tour. They forced him to do it. He's going through like a bad divorce. He's having a lot of personal issues, and uh, they're like, no, you you're gonna do this tour. You're gonna do it. Like Neil Sherman and the other. What's the other dude's name? I can't believe I can't remember his name offhand. Uh the keyboard player.

Speaker 4 1:15:26

Ross Fallory and uh Jonathan Cain.

Scott McLean 1:15:29

Jonathan Kane, yeah, yeah. Uh they don't even fucking like each other, which is amazing that they go on tour together and they don't even like they hate each other.

unknown 1:15:37

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:15:37

I I only saw Journey once, Boston Garden. Opening act, Brian Adams.

Scott McLean 1:15:43

Yeah, there you go. All right. All right. Uh John Mellicamp, would you go see him?

Speaker 4 1:15:50

Um, he on this tour, he's doing like his greatest hits thing. I I think that's what that's one of those things that I would go on to YouTube to see. Can he actually sing these songs anymore?

Speaker 1:16:01

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:16:02

I mean, the guy's been smoking four packs of cigarettes for as long as we've known him.

Scott McLean 1:16:07

I saw him, I saw him fucking, I saw a video of him from I don't know, I don't know, three or four years back. He was doing a show and he had the fucking suspenders on, he had the fucking pants up over his belly, but they call him like grandpa long pockets. Like he had the fucking long fucking pants.

Speaker 4 1:16:24

Oh, it did not look did not look good, but he is he's not he's he's aged a bit rough, and he's he's a tough character. He's kind of an asshole. He is an asshole. He's not kind of he is an asshole, yeah. Although I'll tell you, very, very talented painter.

Scott McLean 1:16:38

Sure, sure, that's his thing. Um let's see. Oh, by the way, April uh journey with Arnell Paneda is really good because he sounds just like Steve Perry. And he he is very active on stage. Like he is very active on stage. Yeah, but it's a good one. He puts out a really good show.

Speaker 4 1:16:58

Like like the like the Eagles or you know, like Chicago, you know, those guys have been playing basically the same set for the past 30 years. Yeah, you know what you're gonna get. Yeah, you know, they put they play to their audience, it's all the hits.

Scott McLean 1:17:12

And Neil Sean making sure he walks to the front of the stage, so everyone knows he's Neil Sean.

Speaker 4 1:17:17

Yeah, but you know, the only thing the only thing that's crappy about Journey, and you you keep going. I just need to look at something real fast. Yeah, uh Paul Simon. Um he's he's a legend, but he I thought he lost his hearing. I thought that he couldn't sing anymore.

Scott McLean 1:17:38

I don't know. It says a rare and intimate summer theater.

Speaker 4 1:17:41

No, he's he's he's definitely he's definitely on tour. There's no question about it.

Scott McLean 1:17:44

Yeah, but it's intimate. It's not like a bit, they're not big venues, I guess.

Speaker 4 1:17:49

The place that he's playing here in uh New Hampshire is an 8,000 seat venue.

Scott McLean 1:17:53

Okay. Um, Robert Plant and Allison Krauss and Roger Daltrey, all in one show. That hey, by the way, Robert Plant and Allison Krauss, if he starts singing with her, you ain't hearing shit but that fucking music. That Allison Krause music. He's got a thing. I don't know if they have a thing or he just he loves her, man. He's toured with her a couple times.

Speaker 4 1:18:18

Yeah, and and I like that stuff. I don't know if I like it enough to go out of my way to see it. And to see Roger Daltrey.

Scott McLean 1:18:25

Literally like Tommy. He's almost deaf, dumb, deaf, dumb, and blind.

Speaker 4 1:18:31

So I'm I'm looking on on Ticketmaster right now, and I can't believe that I'm even thinking this. I'm like, oh, the tickets aren't really that bad. For who? For Journey?

Scott McLean 1:18:41

Yeah. They're 300. Because it's their last tour. It's their last money grab. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 4 1:18:50

Everybody's you know, charging that. You want it? You want to hear something crazy?

Paul Simon Ticket Prices And Setlists

Speaker 4 1:18:55

Give me a second.

Scott McLean 1:18:55

Yeah. All right, we'll we're coming down to the end. Uh heavy metal legends. Uh Iron Maiden. Would you go see Iron Maiden? Sure. Okay. All right. And uh I think that's about it.

Speaker 4 1:19:10

Hold on a second. So Paul Simon is playing in Guildford, New Hampshire, and his tickets are the gold hot seat package, which is about twelve rows back, is six hundred and fifty-eight dollars. But here's the good news, Scott. That includes all of the fees and stuff.

Scott McLean 1:19:44

Oh, well, then that makes a difference. What was I thinking? Oh shit. Well, let's go, Jack. Fuck that. Is Oasis ever gonna tour again? Do you think Oasis will tour again? Yes. Okay, yeah. I was thinking of that the other day. I'm like, would this a one-off? Are they gonna record again? Are they gonna put out a new album? Are they gonna do all that stuff? You think they're full blown back together? Um I think so.

Speaker 4 1:20:17

Okay, all right. I I think so. All right, so you know the the other the other thing that would Deb and I do.

Scott McLean 1:20:24

Would you see Modehead without Lemmy? I'm sorry, April's asked that a couple times. No, I wouldn't either. You can't you cannot replace Lemmy.

Speaker 4 1:20:31

I'll tell you, my my pri I I so wish I love that I gave this to my brother, but I almost wish that I didn't give it to my brother. I went to see Paul Stanley at the channel. Paul Stanley was doing a solo tour. He played the channel with Warrant opening up. Oh and I went, I I I went up, I was like, I need to get a beer. And I was standing at the you know, to get a beer. Yeah, and I looked to my left, and Lemmy was sitting there. Oh so I I chatted with him for a couple of seconds, but I get a Lemmy autograph on a channel cocktail. Oh, that's beautiful. And I gave it to my brother Jimmy.

Scott McLean 1:21:10

Oh, you fucking idiot. Oh shit. Well, I drank a pair with I drank a couple of beers at the at the the the the fucking uh what is it? The the what was the hotel there in East Boston? The man the no the holiday inn in East Boston. I drank a couple of beers with the hardcore legend Terry Funk. Really? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was when it was before everybody came in. It was just I just sat down and just started talking to him.

Speaker 4 1:21:41

So so here here's a here's another example of you know technology can kind of be your friend, right? So you know, talking about you know Paul Simon, look iconic, legendary, no question about it, right? And I and I uh Deb and I have seen him, and I don't know if you're with me. Were you with me when we saw Simon and Garfunkel down at Foxboro?

Scott McLean 1:21:59

I never would have gone to see them.

Speaker 4 1:22:01

But but here's the thing $658. This is what this is what Paul Simon plays: Graceland, slip sliding away, 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, Me and Julio, Under African Sci uh Skies, Homeward Bound, Sound of Silence, Renee and Georgette Marguerite with their dog after the war, spirit voices, the boxer, Darlene Lorraine, and the late great Johnny Ace. He plays 12 songs. 12. 12. That's it. And and out of that, there's that's that's that's like an hour. There's there's one, two, three, four, five, five out of twelve that I could care less about here.

Scott McLean 1:22:43

What the fuck? Like it started off like okay. But but again, so so do you go and expect to hear the the Paul Simon that we all know and love, and you get something else? Like when you go to see Morrissey, you're going to hear Morrissey. You're going to hear his voice. It hasn't changed that much. You know, you're getting what you paid for. When you go to see Paul Simon, are you getting that voice that sang, you know, uh the boxer and me and Julio? And like, are you getting that? How old is he now? He's got to be close to 80. I I think he's high 70s. He's gotta be close to 80. He is let's see. 81? He's 84. 84. That's what I thought. Like, what are you getting from that? What are you gonna get? He's 84 years old, and he never had a big strong voice.

Speaker 4 1:23:50

So, what are you getting? So, here's here's here's another show that he played. So, he played a much longer set list. He plays 24 songs. But remember, you're paying $658 a ticket. And it this is this is you tell you tell me how many songs you'd be excited to hear. He's he starts off with uh the set one is the seven pumps. So he plays The Lord, Love is Like a Braid, My Professional Opinion, Your Forgiveness, Trail of Volcanoes, The Sacred Heart, and Wait. I don't know one of those two. Any of them, none of them. So then set two is Graceland Slip Sliding Away, Train in the Distance, Homeward Bound, The Lake Great, Johnny Ace, St. Judy's Comet, Under African Skies, Renee and Georgette, Magret with their dog after the war, rewrite, spirit voices, the cool, cool river, and me and Julio down by the schoolyard. So you get five songs that I knew. Yeah. Out of that. Then the encore, Darling, Darling Renee, uh Lorraine, Something So Right, 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, the Boxer. And then he does a second encore doing the sound of silence. That is a lot of new material for 700 bucks.

Scott McLean 1:25:05

That is just, I could go say I saw Paul Simon. Yeah. That's what you're paying for. When he was 84. And again, never had the strongest voice. Matter of fact, never had a strong voice. He had a particular style of he had an easy, but he wasn't a powerful singer. He was a he was he was a good singer, liked the way he sang, but you know, he um. But he's never hit high, he never hit hard notes. What's his most aggressive song? Me and Julio, right? Probably. So at 84, can he even match what he did when he was 24? Right? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he trains his voice. A lot, there's a lot of singers

Aging Voices And Who Still Delivers

Scott McLean 1:25:58

that will do that. A lot of them don't. You know? That's why Sammy Hagar can still sing like Sammy Hagar. He might not be able to hit those really high high notes. And I noticed that with Kurt Smith from um Tears for Fears. He can't hit those high notes anymore.

Speaker 4 1:26:17

I think I've said this a number of times on this show. You know, a friend of mine who was uh a bit of a singer, he told me that men grow out of their voice as they get older, and women grow into them.

Scott McLean 1:26:28

Yeah. But is that is that really the case though? Like there's um there's gotta be some some some women out there that don't really match what they what they could do. But I don't know, maybe it's you you know, thinking about it.

Speaker 4 1:26:44

Dude, I I saw it, I saw Aretha Franklin. I I saw Aretha Franklin literally weeks before she died. Yeah, and she came she came out and I was like, oh god, she looked frail. Yeah, but when she opened her mouth, I was like, holy fucking shit.

Scott McLean 1:26:57

It's yeah, that's a good, yeah. That's a I'm trying to think of someone that I was like, oof. But it does, it's not really the case, yeah. Yeah, interesting. Interesting. All right, buddy.

Final Jokes And Sign Off

Scott McLean 1:27:08

Well, listen, I'm gonna let you go. We're we're coming up on 90 minutes. You you owed me this. You owed me this. I I deserve overtime on this one. Yeah, I'll I'll pay you with hot sauce. I never got that. Um all right, my friend. Listen, Jack, thanks for coming on, buddy. You know I love you. Um I love you too. These are always great shows. I can't wait till you retire so we can do this more often.

Speaker 4 1:27:34

Um, April. Is April the only one left? Did we scare everybody else out?

Scott McLean 1:27:38

No, I think she she dominated the the uh she dominated the uh the the chat tonight. Absolutely took over. I think everybody else just sat back and like I she's it's a tsunami of April comments.

Speaker 4 1:27:50

April, that that Simon and Garfungel thing at the hospital.

Scott McLean 1:27:52

That's big head talk is in at the very end. Dolly Parton can only speech her songs. She doesn't really sing anymore. All right. Dolly Parton can only speech her songs. Okay. That's one way to put it. That's what oh Perry's back. Uh from what I've read, Paul Simon has quite as quiet shows and asked the crowd to keep quiet.

Speaker 1:28:16

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:28:18

Uh, by the way, April, I agree with you. Deb and I saw Patty Smith. You know, just like six months ago, she was fantastic, tremendous.

Scott McLean 1:28:26

Yep. Still uglier than a bag of assholes, but she's, you know, it's Patty Smith. Just saying.

Speaker 4 1:28:33

Yes, but we are holding up wonderfully.

Scott McLean 1:28:36

But she's not she's not as ugly as that dude, Janice Joplin. That dude is ugly. So and we are holding up well. I'm gonna be 63 this year, buddy. What is it? What is Patricia saying? Look at this, buddy. I'm gonna be 63 this year. Look at me.

Speaker 4 1:28:53

Yeah. Patricia says, thanks, guys. Great show.

Scott McLean 1:28:57

Need to catch the beginning. Okay. Oh, because she came in late. She she had commented earlier. When did you guys come on? We came on at 7 30 because of Jack. It's Jack's fault. It's Jack's fault. Patty.

Speaker 4 1:29:09

So yeah, but but she we started late. She would have missed the whole thing if we started at 7.

Scott McLean 1:29:14

She leave Patty alone. I'm not picking on don't you don't pick on. You know what? Just because penalty box, just because of that. Just be Patty. I got you back, Patty. I got you. All right, Jack's back. Let me bring him back. Because he'll pout. He'll he'll run away from the good night and he'll leave again. Hey, what are you doing next Thursday night? I'm gonna be in uh Puerto Rico. Of course you are. That's right. You're gonna be in Puerto Rico. Yeah. I'm gonna be in Puerto Rico. All right. Well, we'll see you in another eight months.

Speaker 4 1:29:45

I hope you people enjoyed it because we won't see him again for a while. I you know, I'd love to join the show next week, but I'm going to see Paul Simon.

Speaker 3 1:29:57

Hey, I want to thank everybody for coming out. Just uh if you wouldn't mind shutting the fuck up. I need I need to la la la. I'm gonna whisper my way through the sounds of silence.

Speaker 1:30:06

So excuse me.

Scott McLean 1:30:16

It's like being in a fucking Catholic church. Good night, everybody. Hey Jack, thanks, buddy. Thanks for coming on. This is great. And you're gonna leave? You're gonna just jump right off like that. You gotta go, you gotta go 99. Get off the show. Get off the show. I just I just said goodnight, everybody. Thank you so much. I saw you looking down at your mouse. You were gonna you were getting ready to log out. No, that's not true. All right, stick around for 30 seconds. All right, everybody. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you like it, shed it. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching and listening for one hour and 30 minutes with 31 minutes. We appreciate that. I know. This is a sore in the morning. April said hugs. Patty says she got at 7 30. She's defending herself. I'm gonna be back to the house. Will stay. You will stay. All right, everybody. I will see you, and you will see me in heavy next week.