Episode 76: National Association for Chicana & Chicano Studies!

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The National Association for Chicana and Chicano Studies, or NACCS as it is more commonly known, recently held its 50th annual conference. This time in my hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Now, for those who are unaware, here's a bit of background and history about the organization as featured on the official NACCS website. 

“The Association was first named the National Caucus of Chicano Social Scientists from 1972-1973. After the Caucus's first meeting November 17, 1973, at the University of California at Irvine, the members of the steering committee unanimously voted to change the name to the National Association of Chicano Social Scientists (NACSS).

In 1976, during the 3rd NACSS Conference participates voted to rename the organization to the National Association for Chicano Studies (NACS).

In 1995 during the National Conference in Spokane, Washington, the body unanimously voted to change the name from the National Association for Chicano Studies to the National Association for Chicana and Chicano Studies (NACCS).”

Its stated mission, once again from the website is:

“To advance the interest and needs of the Chicana and Chicano community. To advance research in Chicana and Chicano Studies. To advance the professional interest and needs of Chicanas and Chicanos in the academy.”

Now, I found it interesting that the very first sentence of the NACCS's mission statement is to advance the interests and needs of the Chicana and Chicano community. because I, like most members of the Chicana and Chicano community here in Albuquerque, had no idea whatsoever that the conference was even happening in my own city. And not only that, but when I did hear about the conference, I looked into the registration process thinking that I might participate, only to find that the cost of registering for the conference was far too expensive for your average community member. Now with this in mind, I sat down with Dr. Ernesto Todd Mireles of Northern Arizona University and author Scott Russell Du

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Speaker 3 (00:33.342)
Greetings, dear listeners, and welcome to Tales from Atlantis, where we take you on a journey through Chicano, Mexicano, and Mesoamerican history and archaeology, and we help combat the spread of disinformation about these very topics. I am your host, Curly Tlapoyawa. On April 2nd through the 5th,

The National Association for Chicana and Chicano Studies or NOCS as it is more commonly known held its 50th annual conference. This time in my hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Now, for those who are unaware, here's a bit of background and history about the organization as featured on the official NOCS website. And I quote, the association was first named

the National Caucus of Chicano Social Scientists from 1972 to 1973. After the caucus's first meeting, November 17th, 1973, at the University of California at Irvine, the members of the steering committee unanimously voted to change the name to the National Association of Chicano Social Scientists, or NOCs. In 1976, during the

third NOx conference, participants voted to rename the organization to the National Association for Chicano Studies.

In 1995, during the National Conference in Spokane, Washington, the body unanimously voted to change the name from the National Association for Chicano Studies to the National Association for Chicana and Chicano Studies, or NACCS, as it is still known today.

Speaker 3 (02:27.978)
Its stated mission, once again from the website, is, and I quote, to advance the interests and needs of the Chicana and Chicano community, to advance research in Chicana and Chicano studies, to advance the professional interest and needs of Chicanas and Chicanos in the academy, unquote. Now,

I found it interesting that the very first sentence of the NOC's mission statement is to advance the interests and needs of the Chicana and Chicano community.

because I, like most members of the Chicana and Chicano community here in Albuquerque, had no idea whatsoever that the conference was even happening in my own city. And not only that, but when I did hear about the conference, I looked into the registration process thinking that I might participate, only to find that the cost of registering for the conference was way

too expensive for your average community member. Now with this in mind, I sat down with Dr. Ernesto Todd Mireles of Northern Arizona University and author Scott Russell Duncan of Mays Poppin Press.

both of whom were in town to attend the conference. I hope you enjoy this short conversation because we cover quite a bit. And with that, dear listeners, I present to you the episode that I'm calling Tales from Nox Slantis. All right, so we're here in...

Speaker 3 (04:15.02)
the zombie shelter of the Tales from Aslantes World Headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is also the location of this year's Knox National Conference. And for those of you out there who do not know, what does Knox stand for you guys?

The National Association of Chicano Chicana Studies.

Nice and do we know which number?

this is actually 50 really yeah the big

the big five five oh so since 1974 then yeah

Speaker 1 (04:46.911)
They've been doing that since 1974.

And it's always been called Knox. It didn't go through.

no, it was out for in the beginning. It was the National Association of Chicano Studies. Yeah. OK. Yeah. And then that was made short work of. And then it became Chicana Chicano Studies. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it was a short lived really moment. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was about 10 years. And then they were then they were like, Yeah.

rotations.

Speaker 3 (05:09.591)
as it should.

Speaker 3 (05:22.702)
So for our listeners out there, I am joined today this afternoon by Ernesto Todd Mireles, Dr. Ernesto Todd Mireles. Yeah, and you're at, you're in Flag now. It's a nice campus.

Shout out.

Speaker 1 (05:38.914)
Yep, Northern Arizona University. It is, it's very pretty up there. High desert, know, four seasons. It's an HSI. So, I mean, I was at Prescott College for a long time and you know.

all love to Prescott College, but it was not anywhere near close to being an HSI. And I know I got to campus and I was like, damn, there's a lot of Brown kids on this. I was like, that's what's up. Yeah.

Very cool. And also joining us is Scott Russell Dung Khan. How are you doing, man? Pretty good, And you are, so both of you, well, you're from Oakland, correct? Okay. And you're both here presenting at the conference?

I'm not from Oakland, but lived there for awhile.

Speaker 2 (06:31.159)
I was more of like, you know, hanging out weird hanger on the periphery monster, you know.

I'm working on my second book manuscript. It's it's a sequel. It's a theory book sequel to Insurgent Aslan. It's called Flower Battle, Chicano Theory of War. And so I came and I read some of it, you know, you know how academic conferences are. So I came and read the first section, but I also brought a number of students from NAU.

We started a group there that we call ethnic studies scholars and these kids are all like first, second year, you know, undergrads. And they did, you know, they worked on these presentations for, you know, better part of the year and came and gave them, you know, to a big empty room. It's always so frustrating. I know.

you work your ass off. these these presentations are they timed? Like what's the the time limit on each presentation?

These ones tonight weren't timed, I can tell you that. Everybody's supposed to get 15 minutes, which I think you can read probably anywhere between eight, maybe 10 pages and 15 minutes. These presentations went over considerably. But, you know, I mean, good work. I mean, they're 18, 19. Yeah, that's right. mean, mad.

Speaker 3 (08:04.92)
Yeah, they're getting up and they're doing it.

fucking props to them, right? And so, yeah, think it's, yeah, it worked out. I think it worked out well.

It went well. Yeah. If I'm honest, I'm trying to give my book, Old California Strikes Back, to all these professors to write reviews or invite me somewhere if you're out there.

Nice. Yeah, it's a great book. So definitely invite.

Then I gotta give you the five dollars

Speaker 3 (08:30.766)
So the other night we were hanging out and you gave like a cool rundown like the elevator speech two-line version of what ethnic studies is yeah and then you told me but Chicano studies is not that so I was wondering if you could just take a moment to you know say

tell us the difference between ethnic studies in general and Chicano studies in particular.

Well, think I mean, one thing that's important to remember or keep in mind anyways, I don't know about remember, remember is a little aggressive. The but to keep in mind, right, is that Chicano studies predates ethnic studies, it's as a discipline, right? Or as yeah, as a discipline. that ethnic studies itself.

really comes out in a large part, not totally, but from the San Francisco State University strike that took place in 1969, I think. Don't quote me on that, but right around that time. so, but Chicago studies, you know, as a discipline already existed, people were already doing work.

You know, there's, I think, a sort of understandable conflation of these two things. I mean, the primary purpose of ethnic studies has developed really to be investigating power inequities in society, right? Which is very understandable that people would think that it's just about...

Speaker 1 (10:13.742)
you know, for lack of a better term, right at this particular moment, people of color, right? Because, I mean, we, it is within our communities that you see the greatest disparities of, you know, like power, right? So Chicano studies though is really about, you know, studying the Mexican American population of the United States. And that has to do with power and equities too.

but it's not the main focus, right? And I think that that's probably the biggest difference. Now, that being said, I just wanna say for the record, cause I know that this is for the record, that I think Chicano Studies has done a terrible job developing theoretically over the last 40 or some years. I mean, I just really do.

I think that people, you know, glommed on to a couple of books that were good books, right? But we're hardly, I think a suitable basis for the intellectual development of understanding, you know, Mexican Americans and indigenous descendant people or however you want to say it, right? Chicano, Chicano, Chicanx people in the United States for the past 40 years. So, there's definitely, but I also say that,

I think that there's, there's some, there's some interesting things that are happening in terms of the way that people are talking. And, know, I got to give some of the credit to Donald Trump, man. mean, like he finally, well, I mean, I mean, let's call a orange guy and orange guy, right? Like this motherfucker said, Hey, you know what? I'm gonna get you guys, you know? And then he did. Right. And I mean, and now everybody's all like, wait a minute, you know, mask is

Yeah, yeah, like well, it our community of who we actually are in this society

Speaker 1 (12:16.93)
Well, that's an important thing for them to remember, right? Yeah. And so, yeah, I heard some interesting conversations. This, this, conference, emanating from some people that, I just don't think, you know, five, five or six or 10 years ago, they, they would have, poo pooed, a lot of the things that, many of us.

myself, yourself, Curly, you, Scott, other people, right, who have a firm connection to the community. We have a real foot in the community and a real foot in the academy, right? But they would have poo-pooed our danger. You know what I'm saying? Our warnings. Or they did poo-poo our warnings, yeah.

ideas or

Yeah, for sure. And then and then for the longest time, people who did that, we were kind of persona non grata, right? Yeah. These pariahs on the community where they're like, well, why are you guys still pushing that old shit? Yeah, that's all 1960s. Yeah. You know, why are you? We even get the argument recently that, know, Enrique, our friend, yeah, was had posted online that people were telling him, like, why are we still using that word?

Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:40.118)
We don't even need to use that word. I'm trying to find this article that just came out and it's about how there's like this resurgence of the Chicano movement that all of these people today that are, you know, because of what Trump's doing.

the way that they're countering it, the way that they're organizing and mobilizing against it, they're drawing from things that people learn from the Chicano movement. So we're seeing like this renaissance of Chicano activism and just, know, Chicanismo in general.

productions as well like Chicano presses there used to be like three or four now there's like 25 30 it was everywhere I mean also see unfortunately a lot of people that are like more like kind of reactionary or like or assimilation is still kind of co-opting some of the language of resistance because you know they basically want you know just not rock to go back to not rocking the boat you know

No, think that I see that. I see it in a way that I have not seen it in probably about 20 years, to be real honest with you. And I make it absolutely my business to look for things like that.

I think that part of it is, generational in the sense that, like, if you think about for the three of us coming up in the nineties, right? Like our parents were these boomers that came through the sixties and, know, a lot of them were really involved in radical politics. And I think that that absolutely, laid a foundation, even if it was just like an emotional foundation for the, the heightened sense of.

Speaker 1 (15:29.558)
not heightened sense, but just the heightened activity and the, know, the, sense of urgency that, that really came through the Chicano community in the 1990s. But if you think about it, all of these kids are like, they're like our kids. Right. And so there's like this generational thing and these kids are faced with, I mean, and I don't think that it is, I don't think it's, I'm, I'm stretching to say that they are.

absolutely faced with an existential threat, right? To like who they are, you know, and you know, their right to claim, you know, any, mean, and freaking identity politics drive, politics drive me batty, right? Well, yeah, but then you get to a situation like this and you're just like, okay, see guys, all that stuff you were talking about, that was just like Kool-Aid shit, right? Like this is real, you know?

this guy is gonna eliminate your identity, right? Not maybe, not kind of, not, he made me feel bad. You know what I'm saying? But like, boom. Yeah.

But it's like the time we have subsumed who we are for so long in survival. There's a lot of stuff we've seen presented like talking about after the US invasion, like with the Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty.

Native, uh, native nations changing the Mexican, uh, Mexican is trying to all of a say, Hey, I'm Spanish. No matter how like black or native you are, right? Just so you can not get hunted. So you can own something. So you can like testify, which still, you know, but what did it get us? You know, honestly, I've lynched and robbed and treated similarly, right? That's right.

Speaker 1 (17:08.738)
Got some people a Lulac Cadillac. Some of them got that Lulac Cadillac.

Someone did, yeah, someone did.

Well, you had brought up the the amount of Chicano small press that that exists now. And one of the things that I've always been a major proponent of is having our own media outlets, like owning our own communications systems and our own media and producing our own.

materials, videos, books, podcasts, whatever it is, and you've got a project, a new project, right?

I'm working on a press creating with others including Dr. Ernesto here, Maiz Poppin Press. But also I would say like a lot of the like I think we also do this workshop writing workshop called Palabra del Pueblo and that's

Speaker 1 (17:49.687)
Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 (18:08.546)
You know, goes to this argument in that I think one problem that we've had all these years is that I've been to these workshops for people of color. They want us basically, how do we make it in the settler system? How do we better write to settlers, right? And say for the East Coast readers that are normally white women, right? you know, I married once, I'm not, you whatever. But like, so it's how much of our literature is actually our literature?

if we're not writing to our own community, right? If we're really just trying to write about ourselves and not to ourselves, right? And so I think the goal of this workshop is to first off be very much like accessible and affordable because a lot of these, despite all their niceties that they say about like social justice and whatnot, they're like three grand. mean, the workshop is three grand. And so that's quite a lot.

the workshops.

That's a lot of money, man.

It's not our community, right? Even for bougie ones, that's a bit of a thing, you know? And so it has to be accessible. on the weekends. It has to be, it's a hundred bucks and it could be less if you need it. But it's also more importantly, it's a place to mess up because we don't ever get to a place to mess up, know, a place to be encouraged. Yeah. And also it's a place where, you know, we have these presentations on Chicanismo and writing and I'm not doing a plug, but I'm saying for me, the most important thing is to encourage and talk.

Speaker 2 (19:29.616)
about writing to our community and try to get it, try to reach it again because I don't blame our community for not supporting us because we're not writing to them. And once we start writing to them again, maybe they'll support us again.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I get a lot of pushback. Well, not a lot, but I have gotten some pushback over the length of some of my books because they're not super thick books. And I'm like...

What's the pushback?

Well, that, you know, man, your books should be like 200, 300, 400 pages. And I'm like, no, man, your books are great. I'm trying to put stuff out that like somebody could pick up and read and get through and then maybe be inspired to pick up something else, not slog through this long book. You know, and I want to say it was Malcolm X. I've never been sure if it was actually Malcolm X who made this whose this statement. But, you know, make it plain has always been one of my favorite.

slogans that I live by because I'll read some stuff where I'm like who is this written for man because it's it's it's talking about you know using all of this jargon and all of this high academic speech and I'm like I don't know too many of our people that are just gonna sit down and slog through that stuff you know

Speaker 1 (20:31.47)
because

Speaker 3 (20:51.192)
We're a busy people. if something's not going to catch our attention, we're not going to give it the time.

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:56.748)
capable of understanding concepts that are being shared, but the thing is, if you're not taught the jargon within the academia, you don't know what the hell is going on.

Yeah, the words are meaningless.

And there's a way to write those concepts so that every, you know, everyday people, right? Like, can easily grasp them because you're right. mean, there's nothing wrong with the way people think, right? I mean, they just don't know the vocabulary. Exactly. And so how do we, yeah, how do we take it out of the vocabulary? How do we make it more consumable? Yeah. By the masses.

Yeah. So speaking of high prices, I took a little trip through the Knox website. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, was like, OK, so it would have cost me if if I had become a member and then gotten the appropriate badge to attend with that level of membership. Yeah.

Yeah

Speaker 1 (21:49.649)
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:04.91)
It was it's a considerable amount of money and then you have to add in. Tells travel is traveled. Yeah, I mean everything that you're going to do and this is not, you know.

You gotta get a hotel room.

Speaker 1 (22:17.87)
Well, you talk a couple thousand. Yeah.

Easily and and it's not limited to just you know this particular conference right every conference that I've gone to it tends to be super expensive but That's what I was just

This conference should be

talked about this because this is my like first real one I was at one before as a vendor is a bit different and it was what the price for that was like there was no Chicano indie presses there except for the one I was used to be a part of because they couldn't afford it even in California where there are many there was like you know the southern LA the San Francisco to sell some books like of course like you know because this is academia like of course you know that's where you want you get your books no one could afford that you know for these small presses but like some people were telling me like L is also optics I forget who like like you

want to look good for the, but for whom we know for whom, right? Yeah. want to, so whenever they go back to the, you know, not to, you know, decry or insult a profession that I want to invite me, but go back to your, you don't want to look bad in front of the white academics or the other academics that are going to, that normally look down upon us. And if what really gets me is that this, this is knowledge that is about our people, you know, by our people.

Speaker 2 (23:35.534)
But at the same time, it's not for our people. not going back. And I see that on the slogan. I'm like, that's bullshit. Because if I was living in Albuquerque, right, and I can just walk in, I can't just walk in. It would cost me hundreds of dollars.

should be in.

A day rate. Yeah. Exactly. There should be a day rate. Yeah.

And you get some like, mean, let's be honest, how many local high school machistas would be able to go into this conference and just walk in and participate? How many just Chicanos off the streets, community members?

Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:06.894)
that need these studies, really.

So I'll say, and I say this as a person who goes to knocks, not as a person who has sort of like any special insight to like things that decisions people have made. I want to be really clear about that.

Also, but in saying that, I want to say that I think that I'm right about this, okay, is that there's a group of people who controlled this conference for a very long time. And I think, I feel like they were very desirous of building this into some sort of like ultra professional, like academic conference, blah, blah, blah. I think that's where you get the prices for the tables and stuff.

It appears to me as a person on the outside looking in again, but I've been through these things before in my own life. So I feel like I can see what's going on. It appears to me that there was recently within the last several years, an internal revolt inside of the leadership quote unquote of, of Knox and that a number of these people have been retired from the organization.

I will tell you that anecdotally that this, this time we had a woman who is with the Partido Nacional de la Ras Unida. name is Andrea Martinez. She's the state rep for, for, the party here. Yeah. Yeah. Nice, nice lady. Right. is, is one of those people, and I'm not saying anything she wouldn't have said. She wouldn't say herself if she was here is one of those people that

Speaker 3 (25:37.058)
Yeah, I met her last night.

Speaker 1 (25:49.422)
is not gonna be able to afford to pay $1,500 to attend, I mean, shit, I can't even afford it. The only way I can afford it is because I get professional development money from the school, and so I use it to go to this one conference, right?

But the people who are directing, they did give her a day rate. Because she just told them, she said, I can't afford that. And they were like, okay, know, $40 a day, right? Now there's no like, there's no rule about that or I don't know if it's gonna continue, but they did that for her. I can tell you that the people who ran that conference last year would have thrown her out on her ass. yeah. And so,

I had all these t-shirts I wanted to sell, right? Like I had a shit ton of t-shirts, man, but I can't pay $1,200 for a table. And that's what a table is. That's a table is, $1,200, right? God damn. I know. Yeah. No, they ain't fucking around, right? And so, but I went to the lady who is running it right now, her name is Jenny Cruz. And I said, look, I got these t-shirts, you know, partially fundraiser, blah, blah, blah.

And there's all these empty tables along the, you know, the hallway. And I said, I said, what if I give you a percentage of, of what I sell, which I think is cool, right? Because they get some money and I get, you know, some money. mean, 90 % of, so we ended up, ended up.

And you're not tied to, I must make this much in sales in order to even make back the money that I spent on this table.

Speaker 1 (27:29.646)
If I had sold all the t-shirts that I brought I probably would have made about 300 bucks yesterday If it was $1,200 table, yeah

Yeah, but there's a

There's a dissonance of going into a panel, like the amount that I had to pay, right? But going to panels about the social justice, know, hentai, dignity and all this, and then realizing that none of this stuff is for them, right? Ultimately, they can't afford it, right? We have blessings, right? We have damsante, all this kind of stuff, but like.

Yeah, but it's not for it. It's for entertainment. For me, the entire thing seemed very classist. It's my first real one, right? Other than being a vendor. And even though I may be part of this classist, whatever, like I still can see like, you know, like people that are part of community, they can't be there. Like there's just no way. And on top of that, they didn't invite a certain figure in Chicano, in the Chicano community that lives in Albuquerque. He informed that it was going on. Yeah.

Well, I mean, and this goes for all conferences. So I am a member of the SAA, the Society of American Archaeology. And the SAA has had our national conference in Albuquerque at one point. And there was a big talk given about protecting Chaco. And Deb Holland came in and she's going to be our next governor.

Speaker 3 (28:55.722)
And she came, very important woman, she came in and she gave this talk at the SAAs. And I was like, what a missed opportunity to invite the people from Albuquerque to come in and see what it is that we do, right? Because I'm a big proponent of community outreach and public engagement because...

people aren't going to care about archaeology. They don't even know what archaeology is. Half the people I meet still think that I dig up dinosaurs. Yeah. And it's so, it's like the same thing. It's not outside of the realm of positive.

No, I think that would be cool, but yeah.

But, and so I see that with Knox as well. You know, there's so many people that could benefit from being able to participate and realize, shit, I've got this history, I've got this part of me that's so important, but I can't afford to be a part.

Well, I realize it's a challenge for organizers. I understand that, But at same time, when I was thinking, at some point, I want to do a Chicanx Featureism conference, right? But I don't want it to be something where it's like no one doesn't feel comfortable going. Not exactly like a con either, but it could be something where things are discussed and presented. Which happens at cons. I'm not trying to be whatever. too often, it's like, if no one could walk in and hear it, what good is it, right?

Speaker 3 (30:19.84)
And it's also inward facing, right? So it's like we're all just talking to each other. We all present to each other and then we sit down and then the next guy who gets it, it's going to be the same shit that we would have learned from each other if we had just gone out and had a beer.

Yeah, and they're bringing young folks in so they can like, so keep it going the same system going.

Yeah, no, it's it's owning is a man. It's what it is. Right. And so we're just like, so we're all here. I mean, I think, you know, from my perspective, I feel like organizations like Knox or what Knox could be, or I think what it could even turn into are very important for all the reasons you guys just articulated. Right. I mean,

Our community, I mean, we've been saying this for years. Our community is under attack. You know, what do we do? Fight back, right? I mean, yo, guess what guys? It's really time to fight back, right? Like this isn't, it's not a slogan. It's not a chant. We are slated for deportation. We are slated for maybe not like physical extermination, but we are slated for cultural extermination, right? Like this is it. I mean, when they started picking up,

those Indian brothers and sisters here in New Mexico, I was like, these white boys are there going for it. And I mean, I don't need to tell you all, this is only like the third month of this guy's presidency. I mean, we got a long ways to go, y'all. And so, you know, I think that what's important is that we need to really think about what it means to resist, right?

Speaker 1 (31:59.04)
And stop with all this like existence is resistance and all of that. Existence is cool, right? But it is not resistance. You can use your existence to resist, but you simply existing is not resistance. So, I mean, how do we build political power? How do we move the needle? Not for like what white people are doing, right? Who fucking cares about the Democrats, man?

What are we doing in our community to move the political needle? How do we return to, again, the 1990s and looking at the example of organizations like the Zapatistas? I mean, sure, you don't hear a whole lot about them today, but they control a major section of Chiapas, like that whole area down there. They've built governments, they've built schools.

They have their own system of representation. I mean it's time for Chicanos, right? Chicanos, Chicanx, other people who have similar mindset regardless of who they are, right? To think seriously about these examples and understand that there's a sacrifice that goes along with it, but that it is, I mean, and it's...

I would say it's a necessary sacrifice, I mean, honestly, at this point, I think it's an unavoidable sacrifice. I don't think there's any way to get out of it, right? Because I don't think these people who are in charge, I mean, that's not their plan. They don't want just a few of us to sprinkle in there like the old white boys did, right? They don't want us at all. They want us gone, Jack. That means you.

Yeah, they want us gone.

Speaker 3 (33:49.646)
Real quick, I found the article I was talking about and I'll link to it in the show notes. It's from the Real News Network. It is called New Rumblings in Aztlan, which is a great title because it's a takeoff.

The Hunter S. Thompson.

Yes, and strange rumblings and a slide. Yeah. And it asked the question, has Trump's mass deportation sparked a Chicano power resurgence? And it's written by Sean Beckner Carmichael, and it came out March 14th, 2025. I'll link to it in the show notes. It's a really cool article because it articulates a lot of what I've been thinking about. Yeah.

in terms of just with the podcast too, because Ruben and I have been talking about this, like this season is going to be a little bit different. We're going to still do the pseudo history, pseudo archaeology, debunking stuff and teaching people about the history. But we also want to draw from the Chicano movement a little bit more and start talking about methods of resistance, ways of.

resistance drawing from the know the Chicano movement yeah and chicanismo so this this article came out at a at an appropriate time I think yeah

Speaker 1 (35:34.296)
Yeah.

So thank you guys. Absolutely. me. We're keeping it short and sweet this episode.

That was fun.

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I gotta give a shout out. for it. Shout out to the Reality Dysfunction podcast. Check us out on all of the places where you find podcasts at. Sorry.

So that was gonna be my next question.

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If you have any, well are you on social media also? Is there a way that people could find you other than the podcast?

Yeah, I mean I'm still on Facebook because I'm like a hundred years old and I stay with my Gen X people because they're the only ones I can really joke with. Yeah, everybody else starts crying. Yeah, I'm on Instagram too. Ernesto Morella 789.

It's going good.

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We'll push it on the show for sure. Well, thank you guys for coming on. I really appreciate it and have a safe drive home. Thank you guys drove out here, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And remember folks, the truth, well, it's like medicine. It doesn't always taste good, but it is always good for you.

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