Still Rockin' It - Cheryl Lee
Still Rockin' It - Cheryl Lee
What has this Brisbane Lions great been up to lately? OR Footy Boots to Microphone: Richard Champion's Second Act
Join Cheryl Lee - That Radio Chick on STILL ROCKIN' IT for news, reviews, music and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musician
What happens when the final siren sounds and the spotlight shifts from the football field to the concert stage? Former AFL champion Richard Champion reveals his remarkable transformation from Brisbane Lions stalwart to Jimmy Barnes tribute vocalist in this captivating conversation.
Born in rural South Australia and drafted to Brisbane in 1988, Richard's journey through professional football was marked by loyalty during the club's darkest years. But beneath the tough exterior of the number one guernsey-wearing defender lay an unexpected talent that would blossom in his post-football life. He shares how team footy trips became his first stage, with teammates pushing him to perform after a few beers, unknowingly laying the groundwork for his musical future.
The conversation weaves through his rich tapestry of experiences – from winning $30,000 for his football club with a Jimmy Barnes impersonation to his daughters' initial embarrassment ("How cringe!") when he joined his first band just three years ago. Now performing with "Flame Trees Barnes Forever" alongside the Australian INXS Tribute Show, he brings Cold Chisel classics to audiences across the country, including a recent performance at the Adelaide Entertainment Centre.
What sets Richard Champion apart from the stereotypical rock star is his professional approach to performance. While his bandmates might request specific alcoholic beverages backstage, his non-negotiable is coconut water – "I am a cheap buy," he jokes, explaining how alcohol affects his vocal performance. This blend of entertainment professionalism, sporting discipline, and genuine passion for music paints the portrait of a man who's found a fulfilling second act after the applause of the football crowd faded.
Whether you're a sports fan, music lover, or simply appreciate stories of reinvention, Champion's journey from footy boots to microphone stands as testament to embracing new passions at any stage of life. Tune in to hear how this AFL legend is still rocking it in ways he never imagined.
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That Radio Cheek, cheryl Lee here. Welcome to the Still Rocking it podcast where we'll have music news, reviews and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musicians and artists. Today we catch up with 57-year-old AFL champion Richard Champion from Kadena on the York Peninsula. He was a solidly built and tough back man and he wore number one guernsey for Brisbane and was a Bears stalwart through some of the club's darkest years, a poster player in an era when the club had so few.
Speaker 1:When the club moved to the Gold Coast, growing their fan base, champion became a cult figure, endeared by Bears fans, was best clubman several times and became a local celebrity with his jimmy barnes impressions. When it became apparent that the bears would make the finals for the first time in 1995, richard wept openly a sign of his endurance as a player through tough times. He's got lots of feathers in his cap. I hope you enjoy our chat with Richard Champion. To catch up on podcasts from other favourite artists, simply go to thatradiochickcomau. You're with Cheryl Lee, that Radio Chick, and I'd like to welcome into the Zoom room today, fresh back from Vietnam, richard Champion. Thanks for coming, richard.
Speaker 2:Hello Cheryl Lee, how are you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, thank you you.
Speaker 2:I'm good. I'm rested from Vietnam, although I wasn't so rested a couple of days ago because I flew overnight and got zero sleep on the plane on the way home. But I'm back to normal now. I'm good.
Speaker 1:Well, that's good, because I'm still totally jet lagged from getting back from LA the other day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you had a little longer than me in the plane, but regardless, it's nice to go away, isn't it? But it's always nice to return.
Speaker 1:Yes, was that a paying gig for you or did you just go to play golf?
Speaker 2:I did have a hit of golf, but I do a lot of hosting and do a lot of emceeing, so that was my role over in Vietnam with the surfacing company, I think. The last three years we've been to Hawaii, philippines and Vietnam, which have been nice, and apparently I've got a job for life, so I'm looking forward to seeing where the next one is.
Speaker 1:Lucky duck. Richard, you've got so much history I don't know where to begin. We've only got half an hour. Let's start at the beginning. Shall we Born in Kadena? I did not know that. Born in South Australia.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Some children have to decide between sport and music. Was that the case for you, or did you find music later? How did you come to be a sporting hero and a musician?
Speaker 2:oh, wow. Well, the musician thing come really late and I'm talking about three years ago, but I've always loved it. So sport sport was always first played. Sport as a kid played everything. So I was a pretty good basketballer and baseball player actually. So I could have potentially sort of chosen a couple of sports. But footy was my first love. So footy was always the priority and got the opportunity to play in the AFL during that when I was younger. And then I've always loved footy. But where the music thing come from was actually on footy trips.
Speaker 2:Now you may or may not have heard that some boys go pretty wild on footy trips, but my wild was have a few beers and then get pushed up on stage by my teammates and forced to sing a song with the current band that's up there on stage. So I said, okay, I can do that, and everyone's got a go-to right, Everyone's got a go-to song that they know they can pull off and know that they would enjoy performing it, and Cold Chisel was it for me. So I'd get up there and sing a song. And everyone loves music. We're singing in the car, we're singing in the shower.
Speaker 2:Anything that's popular is what I love. So my love of music has always been there, big Michael Jackson fan back in the day. And then it was only like three years ago where our current manager, sharon, used to live across the road and then she got in touch and said hey, during COVID we want to get some stuff happening here in Queensland and some guys that I'm currently working with, a lot of their band members, are stuck in lockdown in Melbourne and Sydney. So let's form a band band which was the Filthy Animals, and that was about three years ago.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to the beginning. You certainly could have been a basketballer because you definitely have the height for it. You grew up in country South Australia and then ended up coming down and playing for Woodville here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I was so country boy, so it was a big move to move to Adelaide initially. I know it was only an hour and a half down the road, but that was a big move to move away from home and live with a couple of teammates and had a couple of great years at Woodville.
Speaker 1:How old were you when you came to town?
Speaker 2:16 initially.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's young.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it is young. When you think about it now I've got two daughters of my own and to think that they would move out of home at 16, you think, gee, that's a big call. I didn't think anything of it. Actually, it makes you grow up pretty quick, it makes you be independent very quick. So I didn't mind that and you know what. You're only an hour and a half down the road. Essentially, you can always sort of go back.
Speaker 1:I did sort of after 40 seasons, like you're washing home to mum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly which is the best right Washing and ironing. I hate those things. Yeah, that's how that kicked off.
Speaker 1:How did you go from Woodville here in South Australia to the big boys, the big league in Brisbane?
Speaker 2:Well, I was drafted in 1988. You know, when you're drafted in AFL, you've got no choice but to go to that team that you're drafted to right. You've got, no, no choice but to go to that team that you're drafted to right. So I was happy. I thought, oh, brisbane seems a nice place, and and back in those days in in the early 90s, they're actually located on the Gold Coast. So I thought, oh, that sounds good, that sounds nice, I like that. So for the first couple of years I actually didn't go.
Speaker 2:The club was privately owned at that stage and it looked like that, um, that the club may fold any minute yeah because the private ownership was owned by Christopher Scase at the time and he just moved to Spain and he was in trouble financially and I thought oh my god issues yes, what am I getting myself in in for here? So I actually postponed my departure for two years, and then the third year I ended up going and and that was the year that the Crows come into play in Adelaide I sort of chose to stay with Brisbane, so went up there and started my career there.
Speaker 3:You are listening to Still Rocking it. The podcast with Cheryl Lee.
Speaker 1:Time for a song. I reckon Richard said he was a big, big fan of Michael Jackson. I'm a big, big fan of Michael Jackson. I'm a big, big fan of Eddie Van Halen. Let's play, beat it Michael Jackson featuring Eddie Van Halen. Then we're back to speak some more to the AFL music legend that is Richard Champion. All these years later you're still there, so I guess that's home for you now.
Speaker 2:No thoughts of returning back to little old sa well, I always had in my contract for the first, for eight out of the first 10 years it was always written in my contract that the club was to pay my airfares and transport of the cars relocation back home to Adelaide.
Speaker 2:It was always in there until the last two years and I thought you know what? This isn't a bad place up here, after all. It's beautiful weather, it's got a great climate, my kids are here. Now I've got work here and I thought no, actually I'm probably going to stay now, but right up until that stage it was always I was always going to go back home.
Speaker 1:So the girls are true Queenslanders.
Speaker 2:I think so. I mean, all of our family are back in SA still, so all of their cousins, all of their aunties and uncles are all back there. So they've actually missed growing up with their cousins and they're pretty close, considering that they're a couple of thousand miles away. Yeah, I think they're pretty entrenched here, and I think we are now too. You're banana benders now.
Speaker 1:How old are the girls?
Speaker 2:They're 27 and 24. They're both teachers. The youngest just qualified this year, so she's out in the big world earning her own money, which is great. That saves mum and dad's bank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did either of them follow into the family business of playing footy, because I've got a couple of nieces who play footy up in Queensland, or are they interested in? Oh, that's Barnsley asking me to do backing vocals. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2:Of course it is.
Speaker 1:Let me turn that off Did they call you into music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they love their music, but they do love their sport. So they love netball and basketball. Now, the younger one in particular she was a very good basketballer in fact still is. So she went to the States on a scholarship for basketball, but that was during COVID. So unfortunately she had a four year contract which only lasted a year because COVID sort of shut down the program over there. She was based in California, so she come back. Then she waited 12 months. Then she decided well, I've got to start my career here again. So she started her degree in teaching, she started playing basketball here and then she said oh, you know what, I wouldn't mind a break. So she played two years of AFL footy here, yeah, and now she's gone back to basketball again. So she's playing NBL one here, which is a pretty high competition. So she's playing basketball. The oldest one's playing netball with two teams, and they love their sport. They love their music, but only socially, yeah. But funny story about my youngest they were embarrassed when dad come home and said guess what?
Speaker 2:kids. I'm joining a band. They said, oh my god, dad, how cringe, how embarrassing, how embarrassment. All my friends will see you, my god, what anyway? It wasn't to the third gig, come around. It was just locally down at um, at a couple of suburbs, away at a pub, and we've done the first set and I've come back down off stage and the youngest one goes. That was less shit than I thought it would be that's a bonus right, that is a massive win coming from your kids, right?
Speaker 2:so that was their introduction to uh, to me joining the band well, they're obviously both tall, like you they are.
Speaker 1:They're both around six foot, yeah for those that don't know before we sort of move on to the main reason that we're here you were the number one Guernsey for Brisbane, congratulations, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:The fans loved you and I think they loved you on the field and off because, like you said, you were just ready to get up and give it a go, and grab the mic and sing a song and entertain them with your Jimmy Barnes impressions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that was again. That was something that was sort of naturally derived from footy trips and doing that sort of thing. So when Channel 7 had the competition on one of their footy shows for every team to enter someone or a few of their players into a talent competition, I joined up and ended up winning $30,000 for a footy trip by doing a Barnsey impersonation, and it sort of grew from there that I could hold a note, essentially, and that's where this whole thing grew from, to be honest.
Speaker 1:You've got a lot of feathers in your cap professional speaker, master of ceremonies, tv presenter, radio AFL, all all of that. But the most important thing is that you now sing for a band called it's called flame trees barns forever.
Speaker 2:obviously that's the new sort of tribute show that I've joined, but uh yeah, the filthy animals was the first band that that I was asked to join, so that's still along. That's a bit of a rotational sort of scenario there, it's a bit like the Party Boys, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, that was the idea of it, so I was the original lead singer there and then it's sort of grown into this monster that's just sort of continuing to pepper around and there's a lot of people sort of joined in it now, which means I probably get less gigs than I would like. I just enjoy performing, so the more I could get involved in that the better. So hence this other opportunity to come up with the Cold Chisel Tribute Show, and I joined that. Now this is with the guys from they're called the Australian In Excess Tribute Show. So amazing musos, very professional. They've got a great show of their own and this is an addition to when they need another option in their theater shows that they do that. I do the the cold chisel show that is how I saw you, so yeah, still rocking that podcast with that radio chick, cheryl lee.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's time for an in excess song, and I've chosen never tear us apart because of its footy connection. Even though it's Port Adelaide here in South Australia, they've adopted that as their unofficial song, and then we're back to hear all about Richard and Della Comer. This is Andrew Farris and you're with that radio chick, carol Lee, don't ask me what you know is true, don't have to tell you.
Speaker 1:I just noticed that the filthy animals are coming to our town on the 3rd of August, but you're not joining them that time. We'll have to wait another time, will we?
Speaker 2:I know, I know. I was a bit disappointed with that. I would have loved to have come to Adelaide, come to my hometown. But yeah. So it's just a bit random how it works out who gets a gig at the time and who's available too, because you know, most of the musos sort of play for other bands as well. So it depends on who's available at the time, who's done some gigs before and sort of sharing it around. So it's a bit of luck of the draw. Yeah, I hope it goes well down there.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll hope we'll see you next time they come to our town.
Speaker 2:That would be great.
Speaker 1:I'll put in my order.
Speaker 2:Please do.
Speaker 1:I actually interviewed Del during the play for the telly and then raced out to the Bridgeway. Are you familiar with the Bridgeway?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the filthy. Oh yeah, did the filthies play there? I think we did.
Speaker 1:I probably did yeah play there. I think we did. I probably did yeah, it sounds like a filthy venue.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I raced out there and interviewed Ross Wilson for the telly and then was racing back to the entertainment centre to see Del being, an Adelaide girl, of my vintage Cold Chisel and Jimmy Barnes. You know I'm like oh, damn it. I'm going to miss this tribute band probably the first half. Oh well, it might be a good thing, because you know you don't muck around with. Jimmy or Chisel right.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:You probably didn't notice, but halfway through a cassette, hubby and I raced in and sat down in the front row and then I'm like, oh my goodness, they're not as shit as I thought.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just never know what you're going to get. But yeah, hopefully you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I absolutely enjoyed it. I was the one dancing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I didn't realise, but so you followed Delacombe's In Excess show as the support not just for us in Adelaide but all over.
Speaker 2:So it started off. We did a Filthy Animals gig in Caloundra on the Sunshine Coast up here in Queensland, which is where Del lives. So Del come to our show. I think he might've played just a couple of numbers there and he saw me perform a couple of chisel songs and he's gone. Oh my God, this is exactly what we've been looking for as an addition to our show that we do. So he came and chatted to me straight away.
Speaker 2:It took about six or eight months to sort of work into it and then have an opportunity where we could sort of put it into a couple of shows. And we did that and it's still relatively new actually. Yeah, we've got another I think three, another three gigs booked in by the end of the year up in sort of northern Queensland, sunshine Coast Bundy and Rocky. So we're doing a few shows up there before the end of the year and we got some actual footage from the Adelaide Entertainment Show. So now we can start promoting a little more and hopefully we can do some more work. But I enjoy working with the guys. Del's a great performer, they're terrific guys to work with, great musos and hopefully we can do some more around the place.
Speaker 1:It was so good. You do a great when you come back on the stage with Del at the end and do Good Times. It's like being at the Australian Made Tour all those years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just a good suit, isn't it? Like they were the two original artists who sang that, yeah, and it just makes sense to do that. So I think the way that we allocate our show out in regards to the songs and the sets that we do, it works well. So we do that and then the guys can do their encore. So, yeah, I enjoy it. I reckon we can really sort of grow it from where it sort of just started. That was our first sort of serious show in doing that, so we're all a little bit nervous because we all hadn't done it in a theatre before, we'd only sort of done it at a pub. So to incorporate the whole theatre experience, that was our first time and the guys hadn't played the songs for about 12 months and we didn't have time to rehearse. So for it to go as well as it did, we were very happy.
Speaker 1:It was all right on the night.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:You are listening to Still Rocking it. The podcast with Cheryl Lee.
Speaker 1:Let's have that song now. Good times. This is Jimmy Barnes and Michael Hutchence from In Excess, and then we're back to chat some more to Brisbane Lion Life. Member for his 10 years of loyal service to the club. Afl champion Richard Champion, club afl champion richard champion, I think de la coma are heading off overseas after these gigs, aren't they?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think he's got an american tour happening yeah he has.
Speaker 1:So have you got any plans to perhaps just take your show out and about?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean I think obviously it's the Chisel one's more so Australian. The InXS one is more international, so I think there's more scope from an international perspective to do that. The Chisel one is more Australian orientated so I feel that it is better suited here.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. But have you got plans while they're away to do a little like pub tour gig or something to keep?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't. I mean, I'm sort of leaving it up to them. I'm just saying hey, yep, if they reach out and say are you available for this date, and I'll go yep, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. So I'm not pushing it myself. You know I have to work around their schedule more so. Plus, I've got all those other things you mentioned going on. So I'm commentating the footy on the weekends for Triple M, I've got another little TV show coming up later in the year. I'm doing a lot of emceeing gigs. I've just got back from Vietnam. As we coast later in the year I'm interstate doing things.
Speaker 2:so everyone's busy yeah, so we've just got to try to fit these in where we can, and australia is pretty small, so you don't want to sort of double and triple up on things too much.
Speaker 1:So it's um you don't want to get overexposed exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:You want to just yeah. That's exactly right, so it's um. You have to manage these things as you go talking about tv.
Speaker 1:You competed in the channel seven's program. It takes two and mentored by the wonderful wendy matthews. How was that?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was a great experience. It had been done overseas, it was the first time it was done in australia and I was contacted by channel seven and said um oh, you're a ex-footballer, can you sing? And I said well, you know, that's up for you to decide. I can come down and audition if you like. So we did and they said yep, we'd love to have you on board, which was great, but you know, just meeting and working with those other artists Guy Sebastian was involved in that, in that first series as well. So we've we've become friends both born in South Australia.
Speaker 2:Wendy Matthews was a great mentor for me. Wendy. Wendy sort of kept to herself a little more. You know she's still out there doing her thing as well. Oh God, we've met David Hobson, obviously the opera singer. He loves his footy, so we got on famously. We've made some lifelong friends actually through that show. I think it was 13 episodes and it was filmed down in Melbourne. So we travelled a lot. It was a big commitment but it was lots of fun that filmed down in Melbourne.
Speaker 1:so we travelled a lot. It was a big commitment but it was lots of fun. That holds very fond memories. Well, we've got Wendy Matthews coming here soonish with the fabulous Caprettos.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I haven't seen the guys before.
Speaker 1:They're a super group, A bit like the Filthy Animals. They've got Dave Gleason.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, speaking of which, gleon was in this show as well. So Gleeson and myself were basically the the social managers of that tv show, so we were out having a good time after every episode. So yes, so Gleeson and myself were pretty much running the social activities oh, I'm surprised you survived.
Speaker 1:I know me too and you keep up with him I didn't I didn't try.
Speaker 2:He lives in adelaide now yes, yep, I think he's in the adelaide hills way, isn't it? Yes?
Speaker 1:so it's got him and ray thistleweight from thirsty market russell yes morris just retired from it and, okay, daryl braithwaite was in the original lineup, but he's retired as well, and joe camilleri has just joined them. Jack jones from southern suns has been in the lineup from the start and wendy's coming along with them.
Speaker 2:So that'll be. Oh brilliant, geez, there's some talent there exactly, I called it dave's boy band I love it still rocking the podcast with that radio chick cheryl.
Speaker 1:Apart from the quintessential Jimmy Barnes song, Australia's true national anthem, which we'll play at the end, I know that this next song, Ride the Night Away, is one of Richard's favourites to sing and we'll be back to speak to the Brisbane Bears slash Brisbane Lions heroes straight after this. It's.
Speaker 2:Jimmy Barnes. Here You're listening to Cheryl Lee.
Speaker 3:I got something baby on my mind. It's tearing me up inside.
Speaker 1:What else does Richard Campion like to do in his very, very limited by the sounds of it spare time? Hobbies.
Speaker 2:You may have noticed that I've got my little golf marker here on my cap and dressed in a light blue shirt, which I don't normally wear. So I am currently in my golf attire, which I've just come back and had a hit of golf today. So Wednesdays is golf day. I'll play on Saturday as well. So I'm a member out at Brookwater, which is a nice sort of Greg Norman design course not far from home here in Brisbane. So I love my golf. Probably addicted is the best way to describe it, but I'm starting to want to travel a little bit more now. Obviously, work's busy, but every day, every week's different with what I do for work. So I'm enjoying the variety of stuff that I do in life at the moment and just trying to live every day, have fun, and music's part of that.
Speaker 1:That's what they say, isn't it? Enjoy what you do, and you don't work a day in your life 100%, so that sounds like what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Totally agree.
Speaker 1:I'll ask you one more quick question then I think I must let you go, because you're this big rock star, right?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:What is your non-negotiable in the green room that you've got to have or you're?
Speaker 2:not okay. So this, this isn't going to sound very, very rock and roll at all.
Speaker 1:Shirley coconut water oh, that is not rock and roll it's so not rock and roll.
Speaker 2:And you know the reason why because everyone's got oh, I need, I need gin, um, I need um. Well, yeah, yeah, cc. And dry is um brett, william Williams from the Choir Boys, that's his go-to. Our keyboard player is Rosé. Beers is another one, a certain type of beer. So everyone's got their little vice. But if I drink alcohol before I go on, it really messes with my voice, so I have to give myself every opportunity to be able to sing as best I can. So I don't normally drink alcohol before I go up and perform. So it's just, I'll have some coconut water, please. I am a cheap, I am a cheap buy.
Speaker 2:So um once we finish, no not drinking vodka no, he tends to that and I don't know whether he still does that. But um no, I. I watch him him pretty closely now and he's also got three backup female singers to hit those high notes for him but, I haven't, unfortunately. I'm pretty much on my own, so I've got to try to get there by myself, and alcohol doesn't allow me to do that. So mind you, I'll make up for it after the gig, but before the gig it's pretty much a no alcohol zone for me.
Speaker 1:That's fair enough, and you know I asked dell the same question yeah his answer's even less rock and roll than yours oh, what's, what's dell's a schemer oh, there you go.
Speaker 2:See see, we're just professionals. Now, shirley, that's how we're up, that, that's how the new age, new age rock stars. I see see, mick Jagger's just got engaged to a 37-year-old girl, right, so there's hope for us all still.
Speaker 1:Good on you. I'm so glad that you're enjoying all your activities, and it's a yes from me.
Speaker 2:Excellent Okay.
Speaker 1:You can go on the other way.
Speaker 2:Yes, your chair has turned and I'm happy with that, thank you. No, look, I really appreciate and I know you sent me some video afterwards. It was, as I said, it was our first theater gig, so we're only going to get better, um and improve from here on in. So I'm really proud and honored and happy to be involved with these guys and uh, and branching out and doing a couple of little different things, because I do love my music and I'm glad you had a good time and thank you for jumping on board and having me on board with the podcast here as well.
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming and having a chat and being so generous with your time. I look forward to either seeing you with Barn's Chisel, Flame Trees or Filthy Animals or something here in Adelaide and I'll be down the front.
Speaker 2:Good girl, I appreciate it. Thanks very much, cheryl Lee.
Speaker 1:Thank you, enjoy Adelaide and I'll be down the front. Good girl, I appreciate it. Thanks very much, cheryl Lee.
Speaker 2:Thank, you enjoy the rest of your day. See you guys.
Speaker 3:You are listening to Still Rocking it. The podcast with Cheryl Lee.
Speaker 1:We're going to go out with what should be Australia's national anthem. Working Class man from the Working Class man album by Jimmy Barnes, Richard Champion's all timetime favourite song to sing Working hard to make a living, bringing shelter from the rain. You're with Cheryl Lee that radio chick. Thank you so much for joining me on the Still Rocking it podcast. Hope to catch you again next time. Get out when you can support Aussie music and I'll see you down the front.