Women will ALWAYS date up!

Is it time to rethink the roles we play? Our latest episode challenges traditional gender norms, asking whether the age-old expectations of who should be the breadwinner still hold sway. With insights from our special guests, Jayden and Mad, we paint a vivid picture of the complex interplay between attractiveness and wealth in relationships. There's a lively exploration of communication dynamics that will have you questioning everything you thought you knew about dating.

Ever wondered if men should have the option to opt-out of fatherhood just like women have choices around parenthood? We tackle this thorny issue head-on, alongside other hot-button topics like legal drinking ages and the perennial debate over cannabis legalization. Our conversation doesn't shy away from controversy, as we mix humor with hard-hitting truths, offering a fresh perspective on laws that affect our societal structure.

From loyalty and infidelity to the pressures of modern relationship dynamics, we dissect it all, including the societal expectations that shape how we love and live. Whether it's the discussion of arranged marriages or the challenges of balancing independence with partnership, this episode offers a candid look at the evolving landscape of love and commitment. And don't miss the sage advice on mentorship for young women, as we underscore the importance of guidance from those who've journeyed before us. Join us for a ride through the intricate maze of modern relationships and societal rules.

Transcript

Gender Roles and Empowerment

Speaker 1 0:00

A man has to be like the breadwinner of the family, has to make the most money, has to provide. I want to switch that role. I want the woman to be the provider.

Speaker 2 0:06

Don't listen to her advice, though.

Speaker 1 0:07

If they did, they'd be in a better place, I promise you.

Speaker 2 0:10

No, they'd be bus babes that men don't like.

Speaker 1 0:11

Yeah, and their life would be flourishing. They don't need a man, because men don't like them.

Speaker 5 0:29

I don woman. The women are just abusing women empowerment because the women who actually fought for women empowerment would be disgusted at the women today for how they behave women who are very, very attractive. People will tolerate a lot more from her because she's very attractive, because beauty on women is very powerful. The equivalent would be like a guy who has a lot of money my perspective has changed because at least with guys we learn very quickly the brutality of yo bro, you ain't shit most guys don't even know how to communicate with a girl that is the most annoying thing

Speaker 4 0:48

so instead of having women empowerment, I'd bring back men empowerment.

Speaker 2 0:51

You know how it used to be years ago women stayed at home, see she can say this welcome back to cancer coach podcast, where we talk about money, relationships, culture and if you're trending, it's Mr Anderson here, and today I'm with BK. I mean, how could you Yo?

Speaker 5 1:12

How could you?

Speaker 2 1:13

BK looking different. You know, I know.

Speaker 5 1:15

I shaved today got a different accent, all of that Slightly lighter.

Speaker 2 1:21

Slightly. I know Cosmetics do these things. These days it's 2024.

Speaker 5 1:25

I went to Asia. Apparently, light is better over there, so here I am. Ah, there you go.

Speaker 2 1:28

But yeah, I got a special co-host today. I'll let him introduce himself.

Speaker 5 1:33

Hello, my name is Kit. I am an actor and dating coach from London and excited for today's conversation.

Speaker 2 1:38

Thanks for having me, and you might have seen a lot of his clips, because a lot of them have gone viral. Maybe you know what, though, I've noticed? I feel like you are the calmer, more elegant version of myself. Ooh, like you say how. I probably should say it, but I think I just yeah, I'm a bit raw.

Speaker 5 1:58

You put it in a way where you're not going to trigger people. Do you know what? Do you're not going to trigger people? Do you know what I've learned? Because most of the people I coach I'm a dating coach. I mainly coach women, and so the art of communication, saying it in a way that is digestible, is something that has to be. That is an ongoing process. So that's what you're seeing.

Speaker 2 2:18

Yeah, I feel like I probably need to absorb some of that to be honest.

Speaker 5 2:22

No, you're good, You're a council culture host, bro. I suppose Keep it raw boy.

Speaker 2 2:27

As much as possible. I have quite a bit to be fair Good cop, bad cop, Good cop bad cop Basically. But obviously we've been on shows before together and we pretty much say the same thing. You just say it probably more elegant. So yeah, but today we've Start with yourself your name, your age, what you do for a living relationship status.

Speaker 6 2:43

Hi, my name is Jayden, I'm 18 and I'm from Chesterfield. I do modelling, I'm a shop girl, vip hostess you say age. Yeah, 18.

Speaker 2 2:57

Relationship status.

Speaker 6 2:58

Oh single.

Speaker 2 2:59

Single okay.

Speaker 5 3:00

She belongs to the street.

Speaker 2 3:01

Moving on to the next person. Yay Name age what you do, you feel living relationship so my name is mad. So I'm 28 and I'm a full-time content creator okay, yeah, kind of content you create, because you know, these days content creator means a lot of stuff beauty events, food and ugc what's ugc?

Speaker 1 3:18

user generated content. It's basically the ads that you watch on these websites, where influencers are like holding up products and basically making ads and presenting them in like aesthetic ways.

Speaker 2 3:28

Yeah, um, let's just say single, she belongs to the streets. Um, okay, let's get on to, because today, today, right, what we're gonna do is we're gonna, we're gonna do the questions first we don't want to do later on in the show. We're gonna do the questions. We've got some questions that we've asked the guests and the special co-hosts to write down, that our producer is going to read out, and then we're going to have a little discussion around it. And I've got some stuff to talk about.

Speaker 3 3:53

Greeting guys. Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 3:54

Yes, perfect.

Parental Rights and Education

Speaker 3 3:55

Okay, the first question If there was a law, what would it be and why?

Speaker 5 4:02

I think that men would be able to opt out of fatherhood legally. I agree with that, because women can have a finance, can have an abortion fair enough. But for some reason men don't have the right to step out of fatherhood, should they choose that. They don't want it. It doesn't make sense. Why so? I think they should be able to that's.

Speaker 2 4:23

That's a very if we're talking about equality, big facts. That's quality, it's quality that is crazy really yeah 100 percent.

Speaker 6 4:33

Why do you think that's crazy? A girl can opt out of a baby via, obviously, abortion, because that is her body. Like that's more to do with, like her herself.

Speaker 5 4:44

You cannot no but she can opt out of motherhood, even after she's had the child.

Speaker 1 4:51

She can give up for adoption or to a foster home but in the same way, the dad can do the same thing.

Speaker 5 4:55

He can just disappear yeah, he can't do it legally, so legally he is responsible okay, what if he flies out of the country?

Speaker 1 5:02

just go somewhere else still legally.

Speaker 5 5:03

That's what I mean. That's illegally right. He'd still be held legally responsible like they ever catch him.

Speaker 2 5:08

20 years, 30 years later he will have a big bill hundred very big bill speaking up the table, but um sorry, finish what you, because obviously your buddy, your choice.

Speaker 6 5:17

I hear all that yeah, I don't know, I just found that a little bit crazy isn't it?

Speaker 5 5:21

should they think, my wallet, my choice?

Speaker 6 5:23

well, just wrap it. You know what I mean. Like I don't know. I think there's a level of responsibility if you're going to have sex with someone for.

Speaker 5 5:33

Both people?

Speaker 6 5:33

yeah, definitely for both people. However, obviously circumstantial abortions, I think obviously so what if the condom breaks? That's a sticky one, isn't?

Speaker 1 5:44

it yeah, very sticky that's just a sticky one pause if the condom breaks, you just get some morning after pill. You have three days to do that. That fails, because that's happened fails but there's other ways, after morning, after pill, to still prevent it abortion, remember she wants it, but abortion would only happen at a later stage in it no, you can get it quite early I swear it's like four weeks in or something yeah, but most of the time you don't even know I would get.

Speaker 1 6:07

I don't know, I would get checked up straight away if the condom broke and literally go straight to the that's. That's a more responsible thing.

Speaker 2 6:13

Well, I think the point we're trying to make is like you're pregnant now, but they want to keep it. Why can't he choose whether he wants to be a parent or not? What can?

Speaker 1 6:21

I feel like he can choose and he should be able to choose as well, because it does take two to tango as well, like you said.

Speaker 2 6:27

How can he choose?

Speaker 1 6:28

I don't know, but I feel like he should be able to choose.

Speaker 2 6:30

Remember, she wants it. But she wants to keep it but he doesn't want to be the dad and he doesn't want the responsibility. Yeah, what choices do?

Speaker 1 6:37

you have.

Speaker 2 6:40

Finished. I agree with that law. What law?

Speaker 6 6:43

would you give now? What law would I change? Yeah, I think, like the legal drinking age.

Speaker 2 6:48

What would you change it to?

Speaker 6 6:49

21. I think it should be higher. Really I can't like yeah, interesting. Obviously, I work in clubs every single week, four days a week and nine times out of 10, the people that are like doing stuff that they shouldn't, ruining their night, ruining my job, like making it just a nice place to work, is 18, 19, 20 year olds. You'll never really. It's unusual for someone older than that. I just think there's a level of like maturity that hasn't been reached yet, that needs to be reached to be put in a club setting.

Speaker 5 7:25

I don't even disagree with that. Actually, that's the point I'd make porn illegal.

Speaker 2 7:30

Does that include OnlyFans big facts does that include OnlyFans? Yeah, it's death sentence for OnlyFans porn would be illegal why?

Speaker 6 7:38

yeah, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 7:39

Why why should it be illegal? Yeah there's no good that comes from it. Name one thing. Do you do anything?

Speaker 6 7:44

Oh, no, no, you don't Okay.

Speaker 2 7:46

Yeah, name one thing that's positive, that comes from it. Money and what about for the consumer.

Speaker 6 7:51

For the consumer. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 7:57

Catch it, bitch, yeah no, there's not much. There's not much, yeah, no there's not much.

Speaker 1 8:07

There's not much um, but yeah, what about you all? So ban, ban porn. Mine will be very pg, it'll just be like. I think school should teach us how to do our taxes and actually how to be in a 95 job, because when I left even uni, I didn't know how an office environment worked, and I also feel like people should be more open in school with teaching what a creative career is like, such as content, pr, all of that stuff, basically cameraman, filmography, videography. Why do they teach astrography history? Why can't we learn how to work a camera instead?

Speaker 1 8:31

because they've got a program the slaves yeah, well, I mean I feel like they're gonna work in the factory, I think they need to change the curriculum entirely to actually prepare us for adulthood, instead of giving us just these lessons. I think the lessons should stop at primary and in it should just be throughout preparing you for adulthood and like the working space.

Speaker 2 8:48

Yeah, I think I can't remember the place right, but there is a place where, like after like the basics that you learn in school, you start, you focus on whatever it is that you want, but not everyone can focus on what they want as well, though, so if there's too many people say want to be a doctor, you get put into something else which is helpful to society yeah, but just teach like the normals of the 95, like you know the office environment.

Speaker 1 9:08

They don't tell us how to act in it. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Yeah, like the gossip, this and that, like how to be, like how you have to work, how you do your tasks, how you like be with your colleagues. They don't teach us that we have to learn that on the job.

Speaker 2 9:18

So etiquette, yeah, literally how to be in a working place so I was about to cut there because we've got a regular back on hello. Do you want to introduce people that don't know you name age? What do you do for a living relationship status?

Speaker 4 9:29

Samoa Hanson, world champion, martial artist, and I'm a martial artist for a living and I'm 33 years old. Relationship status oh, full time, ninja.

Speaker 2 9:39

It's funny because I'm going to ask you that, because you say that every single time.

Speaker 4 9:43

Nothing's changed. That's mad. You boss anyone up lately? No, not yet. No.

Speaker 2 9:47

I swear you was injured last time or something right.

Speaker 4 9:49

Yeah, that's why I started podcasting, really, because I had an injury, but I'm recovered now.

Speaker 2 9:52

ACL, was it? Yeah, yeah With ACL. Yeah, remember, we was meant to fight as well remember. You know what it is. Like I said before, it's a lose-lose for me, isn't it? I either get knocked out and he mediated, or I win.

Controversial Discussions on Societal Laws

Speaker 5 10:06

And they was like, oh yeah, that was like the Jake Porden, mike Tyson fight. There was no win for Jake, literally that was awful.

Speaker 2 10:12

Well, yeah, so the first question that we asked for. We were basically asking what law would you get can opt out of the child's life if he doesn't want a child? I said to ban porn. She wanted to change the age of alcohol to 21.

Speaker 1 10:29

I forgot what man said I'll give you some seconds to remember curriculum. You got this.

Speaker 2 10:34

You got curriculum oh, she wants to take on the rough child. I mean the people that run the school system, whoever that is.

Speaker 4 10:42

I don't know who that is there's so many laws that are awful, the whole law system's a mess.

Speaker 2 10:47

Yeah, it's trash. After here, quick one.

Speaker 4 10:50

I'd legalise cannabis.

Speaker 2 10:52

You would.

Speaker 4 10:53

Of course.

Speaker 1 10:53

You know what I agree with that.

Speaker 2 10:55

There's been literally no negative things, from what I can see, for people that have done that.

Speaker 4 10:59

Because I'm going to jump straight in. I shouldn't do this because I've only just arrived. But cocaine and cannabis are seen as really bad drugs. Right, but it's stereotyped that the black man's drug is cannabis and the white man's drug is cocaine. But who dies from what drug? Cocaine is worse than cannabis. Yeah, it's penalized to make it look as if they're both so bad, when we all know that cannabis is nowhere near of how bad it is to cocaine.

Speaker 2 11:29

I'm trying to figure out why that is the case, though. Because I said before, you think it's because of colour.

Speaker 4 11:35

Of course it is. You think so, yes, maybe, maybe Because alcohol kills a lot more as well, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 11:40

It's like alcohol kills a lot of people and that's like very uptame. That's why she wants to change the age.

Speaker 5 11:46

I think cocaine is just more expensive. Yeah, why not just tax?

Speaker 2 11:48

everything. If they're just gonna. They could just tax everything and then everything's good in it.

Speaker 3 11:52

I guess yes, yeah, there must be reasons. Why would you wife a girl whose head count is 100 and body count is zero? What or? And body count is zero? What? Or? Whose body count is 100 or head count is zero?

Speaker 2 12:07

Who asked that question. Actually, I don't want to answer that. That is very creative. It's a good question. That is mad. That is a good question. It's a very hard one.

Speaker 1 12:16

Go on, then big man answer.

Speaker 2 12:17

Yeah, you go, because this is just for the guys.

Speaker 1 12:19

Do you want me?

Speaker 2 12:20

to repeat it.

Speaker 3 12:26

Yeah, this is repeat it, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can apply to the kind of vice versa, so you can either choose head count is 100, body count zero, or body count is 100 and head count is zero that's actually bad you know, thank you, thank you I'm gonna answer.

Speaker 2 12:40

I'm probably I'm probably gonna take the head count from. I think I'm going to take the head count yeah.

Speaker 1 12:44

But why no explain?

Speaker 2 12:46

Because the body count no, but you have to pick one Wait, wait.

Speaker 3 12:51

You have to pick one, Wait. Here's the question.

Speaker 2 12:55

Ninja's like yo. Leave her, but I've got to pick one.

Speaker 5 12:58

Okay. What is more, Does a woman look more disrespected when she's on her knees giving a guy a head, or if she's in doggy? You know what? Let me think about that, but why?

Speaker 1 13:08

would. The body can't be in doggy, it can be anywhere else.

Speaker 5 13:10

No, I know it can, but I'm thinking what is like the most disrespectful thing I want to change my answer. Do you know what I?

Speaker 2 13:16

mean, because when you think, about that you're like oh. No, head's probably more difficult, but the count though. So I don't know that's a lot. What do you think guys should pick?

Speaker 1 13:29

what guys should pick. Yeah, yeah, like, if well, I would say like your brother comes to you and says you do we're going to a weird scenario.

Speaker 2 13:38

Yeah, so your brother comes to you and he says these two options. What would you suggest for him?

Speaker 1 13:45

I would say headcount 100, because you can't wife a girl that's been with 100 men. You can't wife a girl that's been with 100 men.

Speaker 2 13:52

That's been inside 100 men I just don't mind for a little bit.

Speaker 4 13:55

You can't wife any.

Speaker 2 13:56

No, I know, I know, but you had to choose, gone to your head in that kind of situation Just shoot me. Just shoot me serious you know what is that adoption key? Is that adoption key?

Speaker 4 14:07

you're gonna have to shoot me. Can I just get shot, because that is diabolical.

Speaker 6 14:10

I can't get shot, so I have to pick what would you suggest?

Speaker 2 14:14

if you had a brother, who would you? What would you?

Speaker 1 14:17

so he comes to you and says these things.

Speaker 2 14:18

What would you suggest for him? He wants you to give him your opinion.

Speaker 6 14:22

Honestly, I'd probably say the bodys. Why, In my head, if a girl is just giving people head like a hundred people, she's got nothing to her. You might as well do the full thing. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 14:35

I thought he was going somewhere then, but then I lost me.

Speaker 6 14:38

Do you get what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 14:39

though. I kind of understand what you're saying, yeah, you was going somewhere and you just went left off the fifth block. I get what you're saying.

Speaker 5 14:46

I think I'll go with the head. Final answer I'll go with the head.

Speaker 1 14:49

At least you know she's going to give you a good head. Then Think about it Not necessarily, you never know Did they all bust in her mouth.

Speaker 5 14:55

Oh yeah you're right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not kissing her. After that, what?

Speaker 1 15:04

if she's a spitter, what? If she's spitter, it don't matter.

Speaker 4 15:08

Okay fine, yeah.

Speaker 6 15:11

I changed my answer I'll shoot myself Because I reckon that you know what.

Speaker 2 15:16

Different perspective on it. Right, I feel like you're being used more. If you're just doing that, At least sex is somewhat beneficial to both. She's getting something.

Speaker 5 15:25

Yeah, wherever they're like because if you're going to be disrespectful to someone, you'll be like yo, you get all.

Speaker 2 15:28

You get what I'm saying. That's more disrespectful than who knows.

Speaker 5 15:34

Like do people know? Nah, I hear this now he's going into. Yeah, I know that's too much Everyone knows the two girls and they know who.

Speaker 3 15:44

It's just one of them. Where it's just a known fact, their number's on their heads and it says body or head.

Speaker 5 15:50

I'm taking it. I'm going to take heads.

Speaker 2 15:51

You know what?

Speaker 5 15:52

The child's going to be mine regardless.

Speaker 2 15:53

I'm going to be doing it. Shoot me, shoot me twice. Yeah, just shoot me.

Speaker 3 15:59

What is one law you would implement tomorrow if you were prime minister? So it can't be similar to what I said. However, it has to be something more to do with the current system.

Speaker 2 16:11

Oh, mate, I might get cancelled because I know what I would do, but I don't know if I can say it.

Speaker 3 16:17

Bear in mind you're prime minister.

Speaker 4 16:18

I'd swap the roles so instead of having women empowerment, I'd bring back men empowerment.

Speaker 2 16:24

See, mine's very similar to that. Well, you can't say it oh, oh, damn.

Society, Gender Roles, and Parenting

Speaker 4 16:29

Yeah, that's okay, switch it off so everything could go back to how it used to be. Yeah, everyone could stay together in relationships then yeah, can I ask a question?

Speaker 5 16:38

does that mean like women don't have the same rights?

Speaker 4 16:41

women don't have the same rights that they do now you know how it used to be years ago women stayed at home and they see she can say this and clean that way of you saying yes and they were happy cooking and cleaning without making out like it's a chore or a big deal to cook some dinner. Because what's so hard about that?

Speaker 2 16:57

ah, fucking, hell, fucking hell and then women.

Speaker 4 17:01

when you went to your girlfriends, like your female friends, to discuss how you're having difficult times in a relationship with your man, they were telling you to go home and fix it and go find the next man, Mad. Imagine that.

Speaker 2 17:13

Yeah, I know, it seems unreal, doesn't it? Good stuff.

Speaker 4 17:16

That'd be great.

Speaker 2 17:17

Well, do you not think about that? Because I know you in the media what that you have men in parliament back instead of women.

Speaker 1 17:24

Yeah, yeah. Well, I do agree with that to a certain extent because I feel like so yeah, back to the kitchen no, not back to the kitchen.

Speaker 2 17:30

Grab you by your apron no, no, no, back in the kitchen no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 17:36

But women can do other jobs as well, it doesn't just have to be kitchen innit you know, the other day, this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 17:41

But anyway, the other day I was actually Just say it the other day, I was actually like trying to look at the jobs that women do best, right, and there were a lot of Key stop. There was a lot of jobs, yeah, that were very useless. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 17:59

I'm like you know what men do best Like? They basically do like construction and stuff innit.

Speaker 2 18:10

Like infrastructure. You know what men do best, like they basically do like construction and stuff in it, that infrastructure.

Speaker 6 18:12

Well, I was looking at the top jobs and a lot of them were useless, like office admin, things like that don't you think that's useless though?

Speaker 2 18:15

office admin. Yeah, all right. So what I mean, my useless, is that if I just clipped my fingers and it was gone, like we could still continue. So, for instance, like a lot of jobs that men do, like roofing building, like lorry drivers, like if we was to get rid of those jobs, we crumble straight away like society stops. So anyway, on that note, my law.

Speaker 5 18:36

Yeah, so my law would be similar to to you.

Speaker 2 18:38

I think you actually you didn't say it so my law is that women shouldn't work personally. Yeah, but don't, don't, don't kill me, right? And the reason I'm saying that, yeah, it's because I've spoke to women, right, and a lot of them don't want him anyway, like if they had the opportunity to not and just do what she said they would. But they have to find the right guy. Yeah, now someone, obviously, I know you don't you want to get up and what kind of mentality is that you're telling me?

Speaker 1 19:02

if you had a daughter and your daughter said, dad, I don't want to have any ambition in life. You only have one daughter, yet no other kid. And this daughter is telling you Dad, I don't want any ambition in life. I just want a guy to take care of me. You'd be proud of her. So hold on. That's not ambition. Does she want to be a mother? Is that all she wants to do?

Speaker 2 19:22

I love the way you spin that question. Watch this now. What's more important than your kids?

Speaker 1 19:28

But do you not think a career before kids?

Speaker 2 19:31

is more important. What's more important?

Speaker 1 19:33

To be honest with you, I don't really want kids, so I can't really tell you kids are that important.

Speaker 2 19:36

But in general what?

Speaker 6 19:37

do you think is more important? The direction society?

Speaker 2 19:39

or you being an admin.

Speaker 1 19:44

Because we know where the kids have gone.

Speaker 2 19:46

It's all chinging and stuff that's partly to do with no fathers as well. You know what? I'm changing my law. Yes, yes, I'm changing my law, not the working thing. This is what needs to happen. You can't have kids unless you're married. Facts, facts.

Speaker 4 20:03

Yeah, yeah, totally agree 100%.

Speaker 2 20:05

That's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 20:07

Why would you do that? Because it eradicates every society problem that we have. What's the problem with unmarried families?

Speaker 2 20:14

So the problem with unmarried families is that a lot of the time, not in all cases, the father's not around. Okay, and fathers are needed. So we I, we need something that makes sure that the father's there okay because it's needed.

Speaker 5 20:29

When you implement that, it forces the woman to only have children with the man who's going to stay yeah, and then it leaks down because?

Speaker 2 20:36

then kids? Because we know, we know statistics people like to go in the comments and argue this, but we know statistics behind single mother homes Not all, but most. They're more likely to commit crimes, they're more likely to go to jail, they're more likely to run away from home, they're more likely to be abused, they're more likely to do all these things, whereas single father homes fare the same as two parent homes. And it's to do with discipline, because I think that's the women are a lot more laid back, naturally, like it's a just a natural inclination of you. So it is what it is. But men are more likely to put their foot down and say no, you know, I mean. So that would be my law and I think society would instantly be fixed.

Speaker 6 21:13

She hates it yeah, I don't like that, but it would work though you have to be married married before you carry.

Speaker 2 21:19

Okay, I do want to justify the working thing and I speak to a lot of right, and I also found out that there's only one week of the month where your hormones are actually normal. The other weeks is all over the place and you can make decisions based on certain other things. And I feel like in the workplace that's not a good thing. You need consistency, clear mind, no fog, and also as well I'm sure it's quite painful as well Like, do you really want to be there with that pain? Probably not, so win-win. You can respond if you want, because I know you hate that too.

Speaker 1 21:49

No, no, it's cool, it's cool. I'll let you have your time.

Speaker 2 21:52

No, I mean like, do we agree with that or disagree?

Speaker 1 21:54

What about the jobs? Yeah, yeah, I do kind of agree.

Speaker 6 22:07

Okay that said it because I thought he was gonna disagree. No, no, I've set the table to you. All right, fair enough. What about you? If you had a choice to not work? Would you not work? I feel like I just get bored though. Yeah, why, I don't know. I just feel like I get bored, like if I just sat there. You know cooking a meal, do you?

Speaker 4 22:15

know what I swear. People lack understanding. Because what I don't understand when people say you get bored. How would you get bored being a stay-at-home mom or stay a housewife? Because we don't even sit still like. You're just constantly on the go. You have a clean in the house and then you have friends come around, you make tea, you have lunch, you have dinner, you go to that house. It's constantly. It's just not part of this societal pressures and societal normalities. You're just away from the world. You're in a safe zone in a sense because you're just away from all of that. Yeah, you're not even involved.

Speaker 1 22:51

Well, um, as a nanny before I actually did content. So that's what literally what I did. It did get a bit boring after a while because it was a nanny yeah, I was a nanny for about three years of my life.

Speaker 6 23:01

Okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 23:02

So obviously I spent time with other moms, like I did like play clubs, this, and that I took the kids out. I was basically taking care of the kids and it's all right. But after a while, basically I just lost ambition, like I just felt like where is my life going? Like was I made to do this? Like no, thank you. You just feel like you're made for something a lot bigger, like that's really strange, because you're gonna pick a job.

Speaker 4 23:22

You're gonna be a nanny. She doesn't want kids, but she wants to be around kids I'm a mom, I wouldn't be a nanny because I want to put all my time into my child.

Speaker 1 23:30

You get it but I was really good with kids, which is why I chose it, because I knew I could make them happy. It wasn't about me at that point you want to have kids yourself. You can make your kids no, because I saw how much hard work it was. That's the thing as well, but that's the problem.

Speaker 4 23:43

This is the whole problem.

Speaker 4 23:43

This whole nanny thing's a mess all this nanny after school breakfast club all of that when I was a child I could be left with my neighbor and you know I'm safe. But now you can't do that because people are so toxic. I'm saying go back to when women could be trusted with children and neighborhoods were good. Like it's just crazy how everything is now. It has to be pay for a nanny, because everybody has to pay in a household to ensure that the kids are deprived of mom and dad. Yeah, of course, so it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 24:12

That's why it's better if a woman stays at home I just I'm just trying to figure out like I understand the point of you might get bored, like I get that I feel like you kind of have to create your own purpose within whatever it is you're doing. But I understand why you might get bored, but for me I'm just like people say that, but I'm just trying to figure out what's more important.

Speaker 4 24:31

Everybody gets bored who isn't constructive. Even men get bored if they're not constructive. Average people are all bored because they're doing average things. If you want to be extraordinary, you've got to go out there and live your life. That could be a housewife, a father a workman, a single person.

Speaker 2 24:48

It's what you do with your life. You know what else is also funny, I would say 90 of people are bored at their job anyway everybody's bored and I was born at their nine to five.

Speaker 4 24:54

It's the same thing wasn't allowed to say that you're bored, because how can you say you're bored when there's so much to do?

Speaker 2 24:59

yeah, but you get bored. At work, you don't get bored.

Speaker 1 25:01

I'm a full-time content creator. I turn my hobby into my full-time job, so I love what I do honestly.

Speaker 6 25:06

Do you get bored at?

Speaker 2 25:07

work. No, really I can't get bored, though. If you're in a club, though it's crazy.

Speaker 6 25:11

My job's like. You just can't get bored of it, so no.

Speaker 2 25:17

No kids without marriage law. What?

Speaker 6 25:19

do you with that?

Speaker 2 25:20

yeah, I agree, 100, I'm gonna get some heat from this episode well, you know how.

Speaker 1 25:25

They have universal credit for people that are jobless and stuff. I think they should have funding for creative careers, because a lot of creative people don't get paid straight away. We have to work for free. I think the government should be able to fund us instead of telling us to go look for a normal job. They should understand this is how our career works and it will kick start and I think they should have the patience to be able to fund us while we work for free until we get our paid gigs. Fair point, yeah, 110.

Speaker 1 25:48

Because why is it that people on universal credit they're just getting nine to five jobs, like you said, and then they're getting bored. But if you actually want to do something out of the box, we're not getting funded and we do have to work for free like dogs in this industry we do to make it and things we're not getting funded. So we have to get that nine to five on the side to support it. But why do we have to that? Why can't the government fund us the way they would go fund someone else that would do? A nine to five, do you get?

Speaker 2 26:08

I'm trying to say yeah, I thought he was going a certain direction. No, no, I'm not trying to say yo no one's getting no money.

Speaker 6 26:13

No, no, no but yeah that's it did you say your law eradicate benefit, like the benefit system say more, just full stop yeah, because nine times out of ten the people that are on benefits can work. Disability I understand, you know, mental disability, physical, whatever, but the people that I just sat at home, you know, have two kids and just think, no, I don't want to do it put themselves on benefits and live life with just as much money as, say, a single mother working two jobs.

Speaker 1 26:51

It's not fair, it shouldn't I don't disagree and I basically know a national, the housing officer that works for the council, but I'm not telling you what council, but I'm telling you a lot of people do play the system yeah, and I've literally seen it happen in front of my face when she's working.

Speaker 2 27:06

Yeah, like they definitely do, because I'll put like job um, job applications out right and I see the same names applying, because I think you have to apply to a certain amount of jobs.

Changing Perspectives on Gender Roles

Speaker 1 27:15

Yeah so why can't they do this for creative careers, where it's like we're getting free gigs, we're working for free, but they can see us doing that and they're still funding us until we get that paid gig, because they know the free one will turn into paid soon because they don't want you to be self-employed, they want you to work so that's what we need to change.

Speaker 1 27:30

That's the law. I'm changing my law scrap the nine to five. Everyone should actually just be self-employed, because there is a whole different life to it that no one is exposed to, and you should understand.

Speaker 3 27:40

We can make a living out of this we can, but then you're free, so then everyone's free everybody can't be free.

Speaker 4 27:46

Everybody can't be free things wouldn't work but self-employment comes with a lot of people in the nine-to-five, so the work can function yeah, but self-employment comes with a lot of hard work and dedication.

Speaker 1 27:55

If people are not bothered to do that, then maybe they can do the nine-to-five, but if people are willing to do that, I think they should be a route for us.

Speaker 2 28:02

That's a bit more open. It can work because, like, say, bus drivers right, you could just own your own bus van and a few people own their bus van. Like you have to get this route, you get this route, you get this route. And then you're like maybe you can bid for other routes.

Speaker 4 28:13

But is everybody capable of being self-employed?

Speaker 2 28:16

No, that's true, Leave it there season as well yeah, just stay there.

Speaker 4 28:22

Go to work. Some people enjoy nine to five. Some people like being told what to do. They do. That's why so many people do it.

Speaker 5 28:29

You know what you're right there's not many leaders because once you clock off at five, you don't think about your job that's it when you're self-employed business owner.

Speaker 4 28:36

When you're self-employed, you go home and you're still at work. You're on the sofa and you're still thinking at work. You're supposed to switch off. You have to learn to switch off I love that idea. That is the hardest thing.

Speaker 1 28:45

Even when you're sleeping, you're getting ideas like you're still working they always say creative hours start at like 2 pm and they finish at like 5 or6 am I don't crack out if I get an idea, idea. I'm done with that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 29:03

It's true. Your mum and your wife plus kids are on the edge of a cliff. You can only save one One wife plus your kids, or your mum. Who are you saving?

Speaker 5 29:15

What kind of sicko said that.

Speaker 3 29:17

So your mum, your wife and kids are on the edge of a cliff.

Speaker 5 29:22

Yeah, you can only save one as in either wife or kids or mom, correct?

Speaker 3 29:26

no, not the kids you've got no, either your kids or wife or your mom, oh shit who do you save the wife and kids.

Speaker 4 29:34

It's easy. I'd save my kids because like no, no, your kids are saved. Oh the kids are saved.

Speaker 1 29:40

no, no, no, you've got to pick between the mum or the wife and the kids. It's something about the mum or the wife and the kids. They come as a package. Oh wife and kids.

Speaker 5 29:48

The package Wife and kids oh that's a tough one. I don't think my mum would even let me save her in that situation. She'd be like choose your kids.

Speaker 4 29:54

I don't know who I'd pick.

Speaker 1 30:06

But it's a guy question. I'd save my family Because, logically, you save the younger generation Exactly.

Speaker 4 30:09

Yeah, my mum's lived a good life as well Dead.

Speaker 6 30:10

Yeah, I love my mum, but I'd save my family that I'm creating.

Speaker 2 30:16

I feel like I think most mums would tell you to save your family, yeah.

Speaker 4 30:20

Yeah, my mum would probably jump off to make sure I save my family. Yeah, I think that would be, she would pick for you?

Speaker 2 30:27

yeah, she would. What about you? Wife and kids? For sure, probably what, yeah, wife and kids, I think, if it was a choice between like kids and one of the other two what year are we in? Because in 2024 it's my mum. I can't remember.

Speaker 4 30:39

Yeah, it's my mum, straight up, it's my mum.

Speaker 2 30:42

Straight up, it's my mum. For definitely five years she's divorced me.

Speaker 5 30:45

She's taken everything that I own.

Speaker 4 30:47

It's my mum, regardless. I just take it half a shit. It's my mum, I don't care. She's taken half a shit divorced me and taken the kids, so I lose the kids anyway.

Speaker 2 30:58

So it's mum and kids, unfortunately. It's my mum.

Speaker 3 31:01

So yeah, that's the biologic behind it, bro you can't just transfer the kids to your mum. That's crazy, but that's true, I understand.

Speaker 2 31:09

I've been married for like five years big facts if we're in year four, that's even guaranteed.

Speaker 3 31:15

This mum and kid mate no, no, no, it's going to be five kids year four remember it's five year average marriage yeah no, prenup oh exactly, I'll be the fifth. Let's just carry on, but to be fair.

Speaker 2 31:31

I always tell everyone, like, don't get legally married just get married spiritually. I always say that but that's it.

Speaker 3 31:38

There's no papers around here, unfortunately. That's it for me.

Speaker 2 31:41

Thank you very much yeah now I have some of these.

Speaker 3 31:43

I have these thoughts right when I'm not in a show you know I was saying 11 o'clock.

Speaker 1 31:46

I think about things right.

Speaker 2 31:48

So I have these thoughts and I was just thinking this one isn't as mad as some of the other things I've said, because I've I've said that one of my other takes were that men ain't trash. I just feel like Now I can explain what I mean by that. If you don't understand what I mean, do you understand what I mean?

Speaker 1 32:05

I kind of get it. I kind of get it. I thought we was going to argue man, this was the whole point. No, I get it, yeah, yeah, because a lot of women expect a lot from a man, but what they're giving him in return, yeah, street stuff.

Speaker 3 32:18

But what I'm saying is so the is.

Speaker 2 32:22

The only reason men are allowed to sleep around is because we're allowed to, like you allow us to. Yeah, so he goes back to the marriage thing. You should make a rule. Let's go into dreamland, right? Dreamland. Who would be the face of women? I feel like Beyonce is a good. I always say Beyonce. I feel like Beyonce is the face of women. I don't know, or can you think of someone else?

Speaker 4 32:42

A single lady. You know what?

Speaker 3 32:42

I mean, that's a good candidate. So she comes out, she makes an announcement.

Speaker 2 32:45

Ladies, look no more sex unless they're married Instantaneously. We can't sleep around. No cheating, no nothing. The rule is ring, that's it. No ring, no cheating. I feel like Could I implement some of these things?

Speaker 5 33:03

What do you think? You know what? Yeah, that's funny because you're actually saying that. I think a lot of women would agree with that.

Speaker 2 33:07

So then, why? Why are we? Why are a lot of guys clapping? Well, you know, it's the top guys, but what do you think?

Speaker 5 33:19

I don't get it. Guys can use money to get access to women who would not choose them. The difference is there's way more women who can give free sex than there are guys who have money to burn.

Speaker 2 33:29

That is such a good way I put it. That's why I thought I agree with that Disagree.

Speaker 6 33:34

I don't understand the question.

Speaker 3 33:38

Stupid.

Speaker 2 33:40

It's alright, we won't explain it again. Does everyone else understand what he's saying?

Speaker 4 33:43

What did you say in the beginning?

Speaker 2 33:46

So I said men are not trash.

Speaker 4 33:48

Men are not trash and women are for the streets.

Speaker 2 33:50

No, no, not women, most women.

Speaker 4 33:53

Oh, most women are for the streets. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 33:56

Most women are for the streets.

Speaker 4 33:56

Yeah. So when you were saying to her do you get what you mean? Do you mean, I don't get what you mean?

Speaker 2 34:01

So what I mean is because obviously the rhetoric is men are trash, right. What you don't understand is that the men that you call the trash are the guys that are sleeping with everybody, Because most guys are not sleeping with everybody.

Speaker 4 34:11

Yeah, right, I get yeah.

Speaker 2 34:12

So my point is if you just implemented a simple rule there's no sex without marriage.

Speaker 4 34:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:18

Men can't be trash, no more. That would like that, anyway, but my take this week is because someone came up to me right.

Speaker 2 34:34

So basically I think that men who are not attracted to someone who approaches them are a lot nicer than the other way around. Like if an ugly guy approaches a girl, like it's crazy, you just get aired or you get dead or lock or you might have a spit at your feet. I don't know, you know all this kind of stuff, but I feel like we're more polite, because someone approached me and I was not attracted to him at all and I was still like quite polite in general I'm always polite.

Speaker 1 34:57

I've never been rude to a guy regardless well, you're a unicorn. Unicorn, then ain't yeah okay what we're talking about in general right, because as a guy, I don't know. Obviously I don't know what you're saying but I know other girls that are like this, by the way, so I don't know what general you're talking about.

Speaker 6 35:10

Small minority, yeah, yeah, yeah because, in general, we approach women, right yeah yeah, and it's not always a great experience.

Speaker 2 35:18

I feel like a lot of men are just going, going on social media now, because in person is a myth.

Speaker 1 35:22

Where do they approach these women? What setting Exactly what environment?

Speaker 2 35:26

There's no foolproof plan. The club. You can't hear what you're talking. You can't hear people talking yeah, but do you know?

Speaker 1 35:30

what type of girls like that go to clubs. They're all quite. They put themselves on a personal like they know they're worth.

Speaker 2 35:39

Kind of Test goals is the same.

Speaker 1 35:40

Because, in a club, we know what the men are after, which is why we would usually reject them, because we know what they want.

Speaker 2 35:45

I understand News flash, though we're always after that in any setting, just so you know. Yeah, if he's interested in you.

Speaker 6 35:52

That is so sad.

Speaker 5 35:54

If he's interested in you he might be open to get to know you but if he's interested in you, to have sex with you a guy will always take opportunity at a woman like, even if you're not sure like you can be approached by a guy like that so I'll tell you what I think.

Speaker 5 36:07

I think a big reason, actually I think a big reason why women could be more mean and we're always nice, because one guys, we don't get approached that much. Anyway, even if you're a very attractive guy, most women are going to be like trying to give him cues. They're going to wait for him to approach her. So even when it, when it happens, even if there's a girl that you're not attracted to, you're like, oh, you're going to treat it pleasantly a lot of attractive girls are approached all the time yeah especially by guys who don't know how to take no for an answer, that is true.

Speaker 5 36:35

So then I think a lot of them and I'm just saying just from talking to you they just categorically just be mean, just to make the point, but then to stay away from me yeah, yeah, yeah but then unfortunately, a lot of nice guys, they just they get part of that heat that they just dish out.

Speaker 2 36:51

See, I get that point, but I kind of disagree. Go on, because right like say we just had some numbers, yeah, so let's say that we've got to. We have to go into, because you always got to calm it down. You know we're in dreams, so you got to go. She's walking down the street, she's minding her own business and 10 guys approach her, but all these guys are super attractive. Like she finds all these guys super attractive, I don't think she'd be as mean to all of them.

Speaker 2 37:18

I don't think she'd be as mean to any of them that's what I mean by it's the attractiveness more than the amount of guys oh, I see.

Speaker 5 37:25

So yeah, if she's attracted, the difference between a good and bad approach is literally does she find him attractive?

Speaker 2 37:30

but that's my point.

Speaker 4 37:30

But you know, what most guys don't even know how to communicate with a girl. That is the most annoying thing. That is just ridiculous. How some guys will try and talk to her is just crazy.

Speaker 5 37:41

What is the worst line a guy has approached you with? I don't know, I'm not that type of person to be involved in this.

Speaker 3 37:46

How would you want a guy to approach you Me? I don't want to be approached.

Speaker 4 37:49

Just leave me alone. I do everything I can to ensure that I'm not approached. I've been in places where I'm not approachable.

Speaker 4 37:54

I'm at home, fair enough, and I hear girls saying I blank or leave him unseen, whatnot. So this sounds I don't know how this sounds, but this is what I do. I reply to all my inboxes to educate the guy and I tell him straight. I say, look, that's not how you approach someone, because they're just lousy or simping, like how on earth can you be a man and just constantly like repeatedly messaging somebody Like why would you do?

Speaker 5 38:22

that They've got nothing better to do. Yeah, but I constantly like repeatedly messaging somebody like why would you, they've got?

Speaker 4 38:25

nothing better to do? Yeah, but I say I'll say I don't feel that I'm better than any person, like when girls think they're too nice to reply to a guy. That's how it is with social media I'll communicate, because clearly the guy's got no skills in talking to a woman like.

Speaker 4 38:39

That's not how you do it I understand that there needs to be some more education on that, because it's really bad. Like guys, the way the approach goes is awful, and I have altercations when I'm younger with guys and because I've got brothers, uh, I've had to call my brothers. Guys need to learn how to communicate and when it's a no, it's a no I 100 agree with that.

Speaker 2 38:58

That's something that men need to.

Speaker 4 38:59

That would improve women's response as well.

Speaker 6 39:01

They need to take no as a as a. I agree with that that's 100 facts.

Speaker 2 39:05

Yeah, but the thing is again, if you're attractive, it doesn't even kind of, doesn't even matter what you're saying.

Speaker 4 39:13

Yeah, you don't even need game it's already been decided he could just go up to a girl, however he wants to the girl will still get the ick, you know if he goes up to her.

Speaker 2 39:23

She'll ignore it or do you know? I've noticed that women do right and it does seem like I'm just talking about women, right, but I can only talk from a men's perspective, so I can't. It's up to you to do the other side, like what you're doing.

Speaker 4 39:35

I've had loads of incidents with guys throughout my years as a woman and some of don't like disrespectful. I don't like when I say no or decline a guy, just leave me alone, don't bother me I know I get that because like what I'm saying. I don't be in spaces to give somebody the space to approach me. So if you approach me, you've really gone out your way to do that. So when I say no, it's a big fat? No, because you shouldn't even really be here I do hear.

Speaker 2 39:59

I hear what you're saying, but again, I've seen people and the person finds them attractive and they can talk to them like whatever and it doesn't really matter Not all the time.

Speaker 4 40:08

That's just ridiculous, but a lot of the time. Because what moments do you have if a guy's attractive and he can speak to you how he wants to speak?

Speaker 2 40:13

Because I've noticed that women justify certain behaviours from good looking people and they'll say an excuse for it basically.

Speaker 1 40:21

But isn't it the same thing for good looking girls?

Speaker 2 40:28

Like you, an excuse for it, basically. But isn't it the same thing for good-looking girls like you'll justify their behavior just because they're lame? A lot of guys do that, yeah. So it works both ways. That is, that is, you know, that is true, but I think there's more of a of a acknowledgement to it. So what I mean by that is they will say yo, she's fire, whereas a lot of women ain't gonna say ah, because it's fire, you'll just make up other excuses. Yeah, I'm gonna say like men might say, oh yeah, oh, you're, the ass is mad. So, yeah, I gotta put up with it. But it doesn't happen the other way around. You got me, yeah. So it's like again, it's more of a direct communication, I suppose yeah I also think because there's less men that women find attractive.

Speaker 5 41:00

when a guy that she does find attractive which is like one in 50, for example she's way more likely to make compromises on how he approaches her Because she's like oh, I don't meet this kind of guy that often.

Speaker 2 41:14

So then what if everyone was attractive? That's what I mean. Then everything would improve.

Speaker 1 41:17

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That's not true.

Speaker 4 41:20

I think it all goes down to. You can't say that it goes down to having morals.

Speaker 3 41:25

Of course it does, I agree.

Speaker 4 41:26

If people had better morals and better communication, then it would be better. It's not about people being more attractive, because that's never going to happen, and you do know, with age looks fade, that's true.

Speaker 1 41:38

So what you're saying, you're going to find them attractive, but then, in a couple of years'll be like yeah.

Speaker 2 41:48

But if you think about it though because again on the show, I always tell guys that you want a solid seven, eight- really eight high.

Speaker 1 41:51

You don't want higher than that because it's the madness, was your madness? Because of the attention she gets when you're out with because she doesn't live in reality you think over an eight would be big-headed yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 41:57

They don't live in reality because they're just used to getting things without working for anything. Because, obviously because they're good looking. I'm not saying everybody, but most that don't live in reality. Unfortunately, this is where you get the TikTok saying a guy that talks to me has to earn half a million or a million a year. You know that's where that all comes from, because he's getting so much attention from people that that's what they believe they're worth.

Speaker 2 42:20

because they probably slept with someone who earns that much. But he didn't, he didn't. Wife you darling. So girl game is getting the commitment, boy game is sleeping with you. Because they're the both, they're the difficult things on both sides of people.

Speaker 5 42:32

You can jump in whenever you like it yeah, so can you say it in a more elegant way?

Speaker 2 42:41

okay, that's what I need you to say.

Speaker 5 42:43

Let me translate keep way I'll translate women who are very, very attractive. People will tolerate a lot more from her because she's very attractive, because beauty on women is very powerful, so she can get away with a lot more, especially if we consider that the people who are going to be giving her the most things in her life are going to be men. A lot of men will tolerate a lot more from her because she's very attractive. They want to sleep with her, whatever the equivalent would be. Like a guy who has a lot of money, like a guy who has a lot of money, the people around him tolerate his nonsense, his stupidity because he's got money. But, like I said, they're just way less guys who have money. And then the issue with the girl who's kind of not been held accountable because of her looks is when her looks fade. She then suddenly finds herself alone because people won't tolerate her toxicness, her nonsense, et cetera. And then she's wondering like, oh, like, why?

Speaker 2 43:34

We've got a name for that as well, what's it called?

Speaker 5 43:36

I didn't say it. What's it called? It's called the wall. Please explain, please educate us on that. Please educate us on that. I don't know what this wall is, I'll just give it a little quick, so the wall is right.

Speaker 2 43:46

Kevin Sandro's RIP the godfather.

Speaker 2 43:49

He came up with a term. Right, I know he got it from someone else, but anyway, he came up with a term. So that's basically what you were saying. Like very attractive people, you get to a certain point where again what he's saying people ignore your behavi behaviors because you're no longer attractive. And then they start coming back down to reality of how. And that's when you see, like the 45 plus year olds starting to understand the men more, because they understand more about the rejection and all this other stuff. So you start to see the reality of it, do you disagree?

Dating Dynamics and Societal Expectations

Speaker 4 44:19

No, I was just thinking. Kevin Samuel said yeah, a woman in her 20s 100%. A woman in her 30s 50%. A woman in her 30s 50%. A woman in her 40s. That's an outlet.

Speaker 2 44:27

Yeah, I think clearance was higher than that yeah, yeah, yeah, probably yeah. Which is? I don't know who agrees with that, I don't know. As you get older, do you think you lose?

Speaker 1 44:39

The dating pool for a woman does go down after 30.

Speaker 6 44:41

Yeah, 100 we've all been taught that we kind of know, it, it goes up for us, it goes up for guys?

Speaker 1 44:46

yeah, of course it does, and that's literally what we've been taught. Like, no guy wants to be with a 30 year old single woman, as sad as it is. That's literally what we're doing.

Speaker 5 44:52

I wouldn't say that's true. I'd say like not everyone, like a guy who's 40 plus, but the amount of attention that you would get when you were in your 20s compared to 30s.

Speaker 1 45:00

you're going to see a drastic change. Oh yeah, A hundred and ten percent.

Speaker 4 45:02

Oh yes, there's a complete opposite for women Like, women go up, no, women go down as they grow. And then men, obviously they're the other way around.

Speaker 5 45:10

If he's working on himself. Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah, true. Not just because of business, I think things have changed a lot.

Speaker 2 45:26

I feel like men are dating down.

Speaker 5 45:27

He said 45 so that's still quite a lot younger. Yeah, so like a 45 year old would date a 30 year old yeah, a 45 year old man would date.

Speaker 4 45:36

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah but men are dating down, generally speaking yeah, of course, but why do you think that is, though?

Speaker 2 45:44

Why do you think men are picking younger now?

Speaker 4 45:46

Because they've got to carry a heavy bag if they want to pick an older woman. I feel like older women are wiser.

Speaker 1 45:51

They do a lot more experiences. They want more baggage.

Speaker 4 45:53

They want too much than what they were. I'm not saying women ain't worth nothing, but some of the expectations of women today is just crazy. Where are you going? Just open the door and let them go. Because let them keep walking, because it's crazy.

Speaker 1 46:07

I feel like women have a lot more experience at 30 and a lot more knowledge, so men can't manipulate them as much as a 20 year old.

Speaker 2 46:12

I disagree again.

Speaker 1 46:13

No, seriously.

Speaker 2 46:15

No, I disagree.

Speaker 1 46:16

What you think. 20 year olds are a lot more wiser than when a woman is 30. I feel like you learn so much at 30 compared to 20.

Speaker 5 46:23

I agree with you, but that's not why men are choosing younger women. Yeah, yeah, it's not because, oh, she's easier to manipulate. It's just because, well, if we're going just physical, generally speaking, men are attracted to women who are younger than them a lot of the time, and women are actually attracted to men who are older than them a lot of the time. Do are actually attracted to men who are older than them a lot of the time. You know what I mean, but I'll be. I'll be honest, though I I kind of feel for the women, because you have a lot of power when you're young and you don't have the wisdom to use that in a way that serves you the best, which is why guidance is really important. But the person who used to give.

Speaker 2 46:58

The wisdom is no longer there, and that's the problem.

Speaker 5 47:00

Very true that's what I'm saying. I kind of have empathy for it because, at least with guys, when we because we learn very quickly the brutality of yo bro, you ain't shit when you're 21, just graduated, loads of debt, still live at home the best you can do is take a girl to nando's now. Your wallpaper, right. You ain't shit to her, right. So it's like we learn very. It's a cold pill for us to swallow, right, it's having a cold shower, but we learn very quickly. Okay, if I want to start attracting the kind of women I want, I need to do a, b, c and d, and we can dedicate the next 10 years to do that. So when we get to our 30s now it's just coming in.

Speaker 2 47:34

So that's what this is the problem with. With it, though and I'm going to move on for it in a second because we get to experience that, while certain guys get to experience that when you get to that age. So then, but on the contrary, you don't want to settle down now. So that's where the fight is now, because now I can enter the sweet shop and pick all the sweets. You've been in there for 10 years, since you was 20, so it's a bit of a mad one, but now you've got to 30, you don't want to be in the sweet shop. Normal, well, we're just getting in there, so why should we settle down now? I? I have a question. I want to enjoy the sweets. You had it for 10 years. I have a question.

Speaker 5 48:06

And that's the problem.

Speaker 2 48:07

So that's why people are not like sitting down. Go on.

Speaker 5 48:10

Your dream man. Right, you get to late 20s, 30s. Your dream man. You're his main woman, but he may step out time to time time.

Speaker 1 48:25

Are you taking it step out as in you may be physical with other women from time to time, so an open relationship on his side. Yes, and he's told you this yes that's not worth it. It's not worth it. Dream man or not, you have to be your own dream woman first and respect yourself first and know what you're standing for and what you're not it's true, it's not for everyone not worth it no, I just.

Speaker 6 48:41

I just feel like it would mentally annihilate me why, so I just couldn't do it, because I constantly be thinking like, well, what have they got that I haven't. Why am I not good enough? And I don't want to live my life thinking that, even though he is my dream man how do you think um?

Speaker 2 48:58

guys show that they like you.

Speaker 1 49:00

By being rude to you. That's what I've noticed.

Speaker 2 49:03

We're out of primary school now? No, still They'll just pick at you.

Speaker 6 49:07

That's what I know.

Speaker 2 49:09

See, that's the problem there. That's not true. That's what I wanted to find out.

Speaker 6 49:13

Is that they're in this generation?

Speaker 2 49:15

No, I'm saying that's the problem, that's what I'm saying to her.

Speaker 4 49:23

If my man wanted other women, it doesn't bother me because I've got a connection with my partner where I know that I could call him and he'll be there regardless of where he is, and I know he's got me. As long as I've got someone who treats me like that, I don't really care. And I feel society is changing so much. Even if you're allowed another woman in your man's life, it would help you in so many ways because you wouldn't need a nanny, you wouldn't need to pay all this money. There's no community support like they used to be sister wives. There's none of that. But even without the sister, there's no women that are there to support a family, and that's why the dynamics of the society is a mess, and you're one about girls being younger. They need wisdom and guidance. So who's that woman that's going to guide your daughters? Who is that?

Speaker 2 50:00

It's the fathers that guide the daughters the best.

Speaker 6 50:03

Okay, because we can see the tickets.

Speaker 2 50:05

I understand Okay.

Speaker 4 50:07

So fathers need to be around, but there's also an impact of a woman. So I believe that daughters are a huge reflection of the mother. So if the man's wise enough to pick a good woman, that impacts your daughter. I agree that woman's gone because you're picking toxic women or women that are not skilled enough to be resilient in the real world.

Speaker 2 50:26

So your daughters are a mess. Who does the guy like more? He's got two women. Yeah, do we need a dream snob? We do Dream snob. You got two guys. You got a guy and he's got two women. This woman he just sleeps with and this woman like takes on holiday they might live together, or he's got her house or whatever gets her presents on her birthday, all of that kind of stuff. Who's he like more?

Speaker 2 50:54

the second one this side yeah, so let's say he doesn't even sleep with this woman. But he does all those things, but he sleeps with this one. Who's he like more?

Speaker 6 51:04

The second one.

Speaker 2 51:05

Second one, yeah, so can you see how it's not sex.

Speaker 6 51:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 51:09

Rather than like say other things.

Speaker 5 51:11

I just thought I'll just Women show their investment with their sexual time. Men show their investment with their non-sexual time. That's a kid quote, but it's a kick quote that, but it's a kid's quote. So, like a lot of women think, oh, he's sleeping with me, that means he likes me. No, the time he spends with you when he's not with you sorry, yeah, it's true. The time he spends with you when he's not sleeping with you, that's real investment. Yeah, because if he spends a weekend with a girl where he doesn't sleep with her but they go for a walk, go for coffee, read books, but nothing physical happens then a girl who goes around her house friday night sleeps with her, then leaves the following morning. Who does he like more?

Speaker 6 51:47

the walk one yeah, 100.

Speaker 5 51:50

Now, if we let's flip it right, the girl spends time with the guy in the weekend. They don't sleep together. Maybe he helps her move some furniture around, does favors for her, all of this stuff, but nothing physical happens. Or the guy that she goes out with friday night she sleeps with him and then she leaves the following morning. Who does she like more?

Speaker 2 52:07

catch it bitch right. So so basically, yeah, you kind of summed it up. Any other thoughts on that? Before the podcast came on right, we were discussing and you were saying that you want to stay at home, husband. All right, I want you to explain that thought process so you know how they always tell you.

Speaker 1 52:36

A man has to be like the breadwinner of the family, has to make the most money, has to provide. I want to switch that role. I want the woman to be the provider, I want her to be the bread. Why can't we do it? And why can't the guy stay at home and look after the kids and clean the house? Is he not capable of doing that?

Speaker 2 52:51

because I don't believe women are willing to work until they're 75 years old, or their heart and or explodes I don't know what women you've been talking to, but people I know are not like that all right, let's do a quick poll then. Yeah, I'm not gonna do a dream man okay, yeah are you willing to work till you're 75 years old and or your heart may explode to become successful? No are you?

Speaker 4 53:13

yes, 110 am I willing to work till I'm 75 until your heart absolutely caves in to be successful truthfully, I do whatever it takes to work, but do I want to?

Speaker 2 53:25

absolutely not right, I would, would you, yeah, I would okay.

Speaker 1 53:29

So that's okay okay, I just think like amanda then I guess.

Speaker 2 53:32

So yeah yeah, are you a?

Speaker 1 53:34

feminist. Yeah, I do want equality, you know, but I just don't want women to rely on men like that, like how they do, and expect things from them. That's what annoys me but don't you think?

Speaker 2 53:42

do you think women like to rely on men?

Speaker 1 53:44

because I think they do but that's what annoys me like why is it annoying?

Speaker 2 53:47

you don't? You don't like to rely on men no why not?

Speaker 1 53:50

because like I have my own, like a man will never fully rely on a woman right. He knows he has his own two feet to stand on like if she were to leave like overnight, he knows he can basically put his life back together, whereas a woman, if a guy leaves like overnight and they were living together and everything her life would- fall apart.

Speaker 4 54:05

So that's why you love someone that's loving someone you put in your 100% trust and showing them that I'm willing to lose everything in pursuit of love.

Speaker 1 54:14

That's what love is. Still sign a prenup, that's fair enough, but then I don't care.

Speaker 4 54:18

I don't care, I can love somebody and I could lose everything tomorrow in my house, everything, it wouldn't bother me one bit because I can hand and heart say I've truly loved someone and I know through life experience a lot of people don't sincerely love. It's exceptionally rare for two people to fall in love, even through marriages. They're not in love. All of this nonsense is through all this societal pressures for people to be together to make it look a certain way, but they're not in love like. That's why so many men are cheating, because there's so much pressures on them to live a certain way. You gotta love someone. Love is the cure for everything, but nobody wants to love because everyone's afraid.

Speaker 2 54:53

I don't think people know what love is, though why is that, though?

Speaker 4 54:56

why don't people know what love is? That's insane.

Speaker 2 54:58

Because I think what's happened is that what people have done is made out that love means happiness and it doesn't. That's what the problem is. So, it's like the minute you're upset, you feel like you've fallen out of love with someone and it mostly happens to women. I know people might hate me. Keep saying this you can't say that I can I can it's?

Speaker 4 55:22

upset. It's mostly women who are upset. How do you define that? Because how do you know how a man feels?

Speaker 2 55:29

no, what I'm saying is, uh, what I mean by upset. I mean like they're more expressive no, no, they're more likely to leave if they're not happy okay, yes, yes, I agree and you know the marriage statistics and relationship.

Speaker 4 55:42

Statistics challenge that, so that's what I mean, whereas a man will be unhappy and stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 55:48

And just keep working because it's family.

Speaker 5 55:50

Well, it's interesting because I think canines are more loyal than felines.

Speaker 3 55:57

They are, though. Yeah, that is true. What are you trying?

Speaker 5 55:59

to say though. Well, what I'm saying is that, like a dog will die trying to save its owner and a cat will leave the owner if it thinks there's no chance it will help, actually, what the cat yeah?

Speaker 2 56:09

Really. I mean like it will help. Are you kidding? It will help kill you. It will help you bro.

Speaker 5 56:25

It will help end your life. Like men, we see this throughout history. Men's imperative is to. Women's imperative is to survive, so they would switch to a winning team, then die in a losing team. But men's imperative is to conquer. So we will die to conquer for our kingdom I think them days are over like.

Speaker 4 56:37

Men are not like that anymore and women ain't like that anymore I feel, I just think that it's changed, like everyone's weak no, but I mean like, yeah, we have got a weekend.

Speaker 2 56:45

There's a lot of reasons for that, but instead of like conquering a willing to die a lot well, actually, it's not even a lot you get into a do or die situation.

Speaker 4 56:56

You're gonna see how there's 50 people in a room, something goes down, both men and women. Now they're like girls, like everyone's feminine, and maybe you might get a woman who's going to start acting like a man, because that's how the roles have changed. Like it's a mess, do you not actually?

Speaker 5 57:10

agree with that. Do you not think more men will naturally try and protect? I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 57:18

Like the instinct is naturally to do that. Yeah, I do agree with you there yeah but I do think that's even if men are still trying to do that, they're incapable because they're so unhealthy. Like it's the exceptional male that's gonna do the job but I feel like it should be exceptional, should it?

Speaker 2 57:34

yeah?

Speaker 4 57:34

it should be normal. Years ago it was normal but I can't.

Speaker 2 57:37

We've kind of messed up though.

Speaker 2 57:39

Yeah it's because what's happened is is men have created a such a peaceful society. People can argue about wars and stuff, but I mean like in society now we have police and all that kind of stuff right that we've just got weak because of it. Because it's so safe now, like before. If you was going to walk from this city to that city, like like, you could get attacked by a bear, bandits, you know all the above so like. But now it's so safe so you have to be kind of always prepared and strong enough to fight off a bear in a group or fight off the bandits or you know. But now it's just. You drive to whatever city. You say, just call the police.

Speaker 2 58:15

If anything goes wrong, it's we're weak because of that so we're just I suppose we're out of training, but like, like, if war was to come back after a period of time of war, you'd see that the natural, our natural roles would come back. So you wouldn't be asking for us there, almost with normal, our natural roles would come back.

Speaker 5 58:32

Oh, we saw this with Ukraine. Yeah, but While we were in Ukraine all the women were sent to Europe and all the men had to stay and fight. That was within the last 18 months, I'd move country. I'd go to Bali.

Speaker 2 58:45

It's a world war.

Speaker 4 58:46

No, but that's proof as what women would do they're running it. Of course, yeah, yeah, because their imperative is survival, but where's the women empowerment and the equality that they wanted then? It's like they pick and choose when they want it, of course, so that's why they they shouldn't have it.

Speaker 2 58:59

The only thing I agree about feminism is that I believe you should have the choice. If you want to, I agree. That's it.

Speaker 5 59:04

I don't agree with anything else.

Speaker 1 59:05

We're not the same. We shouldn't have the same rules, and that's it.

Speaker 2 59:08

We're different. What Pick to work or pick not to work? Fine, I believe you should have that choice. Be a mother. Everything else throw it in the bin. It's fucked us up badly.

Speaker 4 59:21

The women are just abusing women empowerment, because the women who actually fought for women empowerment would be disgusted at the women today for how they behave. Oh man, would they not? You're going to rub us on purpose.

Speaker 2 59:30

Yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 1 59:32

I think it's changed.

Speaker 2 59:33

It's just changed. It's like before. It was like.

Speaker 4 59:43

I think there was obviously an and you never had a choice, just having no what he's saying the young girls not having the guidance and wisdom that they need. And then you've got girls who want careers. I can guarantee they've been raised by a bit of woman who says don't do this, don't be like this. They're installing the negativity that they've experienced in their life into the daughters. Get a career through the hardships with the husbands or the ex-husbands, but really the reality is what they're experiencing now a mess, because how can somebody who hasn't lived a life of having a career, who's been a stay-at-home mom, then encourage her daughter to be a career woman if you haven't lived it?

Speaker 2 1:00:14

it's not right, true you don't know the back of it.

Speaker 1 1:00:16

It's a cycle, though, because remember the dad's not a lot of the time the father's not there to advise on anything.

Speaker 2 1:00:22

So they're upset because they're not there. But then you picked incorrectly in the first place to get the guy. That's an idiot that didn't want to stay there, and then now you're going to put that onto your daughter, even your sons.

Speaker 4 1:00:33

Sometimes the guy isn't an idiot. Sometimes they just donbite the father to make him look toxic. But when you grow to realize, you might realize that you know what my dad was right about this.

Speaker 2 1:00:47

So it's messed up.

Speaker 4 1:00:49

It is messed up all the girls you speak to that are career women. They've been raised by a bit of woman. Generally speaking, it's a bit of woman even if the father and mom are still together. There's toxic in the woman because your daughter is a reflection of you as a mother, do you agree?

Speaker 2 1:01:05

partially what do you disagree with?

Speaker 6 1:01:08

I don't know how to word it. Do you think? Do you think, women?

Speaker 2 1:01:10

pick men correctly like do I think?

Speaker 6 1:01:12

do you think they could pick good men?

Speaker 2 1:01:14

that's a very broad question do you think women pick good men? Because, like a lot of the time, the stereotype is the bad boys first and then yeah, no, not all.

Speaker 6 1:01:21

I think women initially go in thinking he's got good looks, he's got money, and then just spring at that for the survival as you're saying yeah, and they don't really think about anything else, and then, once they've had that life, they don't want to go back into a different one. So I think they are. Well, we are picking the wrong people, but only for instincts, natural instincts.

Marriage Laws and Societal Expectations

Speaker 2 1:01:47

I think I should. I would also add a law that the father has to pick your partner.

Speaker 1 1:01:52

Well, can you just approve of your partner? I would say yeah, co-sign. Yeah, co-sign, it's like sign off on yeah, but see, this is the thing.

Speaker 2 1:01:57

I get that and you're good at this. Kit? Yeah, because you're you like, you're good at understanding womanese. Yeah, if you. If you think about it logically, it's the same thing, because, think about it right you're saying that he has to approve, alright if he doesn't approve, you can't date him anyway.

Speaker 1 1:02:14

Yeah, that's true, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 1:02:16

yeah, so it's like you know what I'm trying to say she said it in a nicer way.

Speaker 5 1:02:19

Yeah, yeah, no, but I think I think it's she's providing the candidates that she would accept and then he chooses he's the judge of character for it as well, because he may choose someone that she doesn't want to accept.

Speaker 1 1:02:29

Yeah, that's true if it's just him.

Speaker 2 1:02:30

But remember what I'm saying. I'm saying they don't pick good anyway, so then well, I should. They're all crap, they're all idiots. And then they'll say you know what, I'm just going to pick.

Speaker 1 1:02:41

I think that's what would happen ultimately but how do you know someone is a good candidate? You know people change.

Speaker 2 1:02:45

I hear this a lot, but I actually think that people don't tend to change that much so, if anything, we get worse. Yeah. So whatever trait that they've got, don't expect it to get better. Actually expect it it gets worse, it don't get better but that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:02:59

So people will change, right. So that is a bit of change for the worse.

Speaker 2 1:03:03

You know what I'm saying. If he just gives you a little slap now. So then what?

Speaker 1 1:03:05

if he's a good candidate in the start and then, like you said, for the worse, that tiny thing it just goes, and then you're like now he's a bad candidate because even if it gets worse, right he going to?

Speaker 5 1:03:17

happen wherever if he's terrible.

Speaker 2 1:03:19

No, what you're saying is actually on the other side of the spectrum. That's not going to happen.

Speaker 4 1:03:23

I'm saying like, say you had like a chart right this side, so I'll draw it you're thinking as you as a dad, so maybe you'd be a good dad, but there's some parents out there, especially in culture driven communities, that they just ridiculous. And then there's a lot of pressure for people to get married and some of them marriages still exist now and that's wrong.

Speaker 2 1:03:46

What do you mean? Like Asian?

Speaker 4 1:03:49

culture. There's a big thing on Asian culture for marriages. Right, they're big on weddings. Some of the people they don't have a choice. I'm not saying it's as common as it used to be, but they're getting into marriages but the girl don't even like the guy or vice versa, but they're getting married anyway. That's not right. Like there needs to be opportunity for them to get to know each other so their energies can match, they can connect I understand what you're saying, but the numbers say that people that have an arranged marriage stay married I agree with what you're saying, but there must be a reason for that.

Speaker 4 1:04:21

Because logically it can work. But that's not love. Just because you're married don't mean you're in love. This is why I say not everybody genuinely ever experiences true love.

Speaker 2 1:04:30

Well, I think that marriage is like probably it would be, 80% duty and 20% love.

Speaker 4 1:04:35

Nah, sorry, I've got to be in love with someone to look at them for the rest of my life before.

Speaker 2 1:04:39

I didn't get the hell out of my house. You're going to 20%. Say no, no, it's not. I need to love you. Most of it's duty 100% be in love.

Speaker 4 1:04:45

Yes, I have a duty.

Speaker 2 1:04:46

So why do people that get arranged marriage stay married longer then? Because they don't love them. Okay, some of it's honour.

Speaker 4 1:04:53

So I work with women. I have to physically hold them by the hand grown ass women. Because their confidence has been so, not because they've taken so many beatings. I've had to walk them into the gym because they're so scared and embarrassed to tell their family they want a divorce because she can't have kids or whatever because all this nonsense?

Speaker 2 1:05:13

well, I think I'd add another law you're starting to sound like england.

Speaker 4 1:05:19

I'm telling you, all these laws will. You can't believe. This is another law.

Speaker 2 1:05:22

But I'm telling you, all these laws will be beneficial Because this is my new law right. So if you get married, yeah, so there's no kids before marriage anyway, and if you get married, the only way you can leave yeah Is if it's physical violence, exceptional circumstances.

Speaker 4 1:05:35

That's it. That's it. No, I don't agree, if that place is awful as well, because it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 2 1:05:42

Exceptional circumstances. Because now you can leave for anything Unreconcilable differences you can leave for, and that's bullshit.

Speaker 4 1:05:48

You can leave, for You've changed in the law.

Speaker 2 1:05:50

No, no, no, I'm saying you can leave, if it's what Kit said.

Speaker 5 1:05:53

Exceptional circumstances.

Speaker 4 1:05:55

So you can leave the marriage regardless. No, no Exceptional. What's exceptional?

Speaker 5 1:05:59

So it would be like Abuse, financial control, all of that.

Speaker 4 1:06:04

Nah, should I Like I.

Speaker 5 1:06:07

I get what you're saying.

Cheating and Relationship Expectations

Speaker 4 1:06:08

Uh huh.

Speaker 5 1:06:09

I think women are more loyal To their feelings Than men are. We feel a sense of obligation. Mmhmm, I don't think women feel the same sense of obligation. I think that's modern women, because traditional women yeah, but there's none there, but I think that's modern women, because traditional women, yeah, but there's none left, but I think traditional women, a lot of them didn't actually have a choice, okay. Can everyone see?

Speaker 2 1:06:26

this chart.

Speaker 4 1:06:27

What chart? This is my good man chart. Zoom into this right.

Speaker 2 1:06:32

So this is what I mean. So you got good man.

Speaker 6 1:06:34

Okay, and you got bad man.

Speaker 2 1:06:36

This is the fluctuation between the bad habits that they have getting worse, but it doesn't get. It doesn't pass the middle. So it could be here and then over time it goes down to here, but it stays here. So don't go down. What you said all the way down here. And now he's smashing you, Eddie. It stays. It stays within the spectrum. So the drop off ain't that big Now. This ain't the case for most people. Some people that big now. This ain't the case for most people. Some people maybe they put up an act. I don't know how this works, because surely before you get married you're gonna date for like a year. They must show their cards at some point. But let's say, you was bamboozled for a whole year and then you got married and then you started doing stuff. Fair enough, I think that's the my mind. I'm ready to go. I don't think that's the majority, but the thing is.

Speaker 2 1:07:19

This is this is the problem. You love red flags. You love them. Most of you like red flags.

Speaker 1 1:07:24

I was going to say Most.

Speaker 2 1:07:26

of you like red flags. Some understand it and do it, but yeah, you think that it's going to change. You'd like to see think you can change a guy, but people are going to generally say the same, obviously, so you don't think if they want to change, they'll change in themselves.

Speaker 1 1:07:39

That's what I mean. I'll never take someone that's. Do you get me? Got that little issue where it's like, oh yeah, like he's calm, but I feel like I can change him later, like it'll be better that's the mentality of more.

Speaker 2 1:07:49

I think, I think some men think like that as well, to be fair.

Speaker 5 1:07:51

But I think, I think, I think a lot of men think that you know what, I've got to agree and women think the man will change and he does. If anything, he gets worse, like women will, like someone will get, with a guy thinking, oh, this thing that I don't like he's going to grow out of that. Yeah, yeah, no, he won't. Nah, babe, he still loves Naruto. Sorry, I mean Naruto. Do you know? What I mean come on, give the blonde kid a chance. There you go, sorry.

Speaker 2 1:08:22

I agree this conversation has been a lot more tame than I initially thought it was going to be, especially from yourself. But I want to know what the women would prefer. So you have a guy. To be honest, it's two bad options. But work with me. Work with me, right, so you've got a guy right, would you? Would you Work with me? Work with me right, so he's got a guy right. Would you prefer that he just has one side chick, right? So you know he cheats anyway. But would you prefer he has one side chick or cheats with women but never talks to them again?

Speaker 1 1:08:55

But the side chick I know about.

Speaker 2 1:08:57

Yeah, but he only sleeps with her or the other one. He sleeps with them once, so you'd be prepared if he sleeps with a side chick.

Speaker 1 1:09:02

I would say side chick, but then I'd want an open relationship myself.

Speaker 2 1:09:05

So you want to sleep with other men?

Speaker 1 1:09:06

Well then, I want a side chick too. Side chick or no, sorry side man.

Speaker 2 1:09:10

Side man.

Speaker 5 1:09:10

You lost me. You had a side chick.

Speaker 4 1:09:25

I was like you're, like you can't. So do you think a man having a side chick is wrong? Yeah, yeah, of course. But if they had to pick and then to make it better, do you think that if you do it, it makes it right?

Speaker 1 1:09:30

no, but if I know about it and like I can't do anything to stop it, I would just like kind of, but you just said if you have that yourself, would that make it okay? No, but I would just not really look at him like that. He's's not sleeping with me, okay, so therefore.

Speaker 2 1:09:43

I'm not. No, no, no, no, no. You didn't sleep with her, so let me clarify he's sleeping with you. You're in a relationship.

Speaker 1 1:09:49

So I know about the side check and I'm sleeping with him. Ha, you must be mad. But that's what cheating anyway and I'm still sleeping with them? Yeah, of course. What kind of woman am I?

Speaker 2 1:10:02

you'd be surprised. Jesus no, I think they don't understand. They don't get it. Excuse me, wait, there's a lot of women that put with that. I don't think you understand, because this is the way I see it, right, this is the justification for it, and I know it's harsh and I know people accept this, right. The ladies, especially most men, are going to cheat on you, right? Just?

Speaker 6 1:10:24

let it.

Speaker 2 1:10:24

Sink in. I it's upsetting, I get it, I know I like I feel your pain and I'm not justifying it. I'm just telling you what it is most men are going to given the opportunity 95 percent going to so if you know that it's going to happen, right why, not just stick around find the best guy, because they're gonna cheat anyway.

Speaker 1 1:10:44

I'd rather be single. That's why I'm single.

Speaker 4 1:10:47

I would no but, you wouldn't, though, when you get to a certain age, you're not going to be saying that no one wants to be alone.

Speaker 1 1:10:52

Humans in general don't want to be another canine done okay, you have something you know, what yo I keep telling everyone?

Speaker 2 1:11:00

invest in dog food, box wine, cat food, especially frenchies, any food that frenchies tend to eat. Invest in that, because it's going to be a lot of money, side chick or one night stands uh, one night stands really yeah, because I feel like you feel?

Speaker 6 1:11:16

that's the problem? Yeah, no, it's factual. Okay, if I'm in a relationship and he's got a side chick just one then he's also got an emotional connection with her 100 no, he has. If he's going back to the same person no, he actually has, compared to if he was going to sleep with like 10 different others.

Speaker 5 1:11:35

That he obviously wants I get what you're saying. You think it's more likely to happen, but do we know plenty of situationships where the girl's been sleeping with a guy for X amount of time but he still doesn't have feelings for her to commit to her?

Speaker 2 1:11:50

Catch it, bitch. I like you, huh?

Speaker 4 1:11:52

No, I think it's all changed because there's guys out there who see women for long periods of time like she's saying, okay, I get time. Like she's saying, okay, I get biologically meant and designed to get attached and whatnot, but it's just crazy how it will even turn out where he's spending more time with her than the wife. Like I think things have changed, but I think there's too much of an expectation on both parties that there should be a conversation before each each of yous get together to make a baseline of who you actually are as a person, because I believe that there's some men who are just biologically designed to have more women. Like I know guys who have loads of.

Discussion on Male Loyalty and Cheating

Speaker 2 1:12:31

I think most men are like that. I get what you're saying I'm pretty sure 98%. Okay, no but Let me tell you why I think this way there are men?

Speaker 4 1:12:40

yeah, that don't cheat. And of course, Let me tell you why I?

Speaker 2 1:12:41

think this way. There are men, yeah, that don't cheat, they don't have any opportunities to.

Speaker 4 1:12:43

I agree.

Speaker 2 1:12:44

But that's not the same.

Speaker 4 1:12:45

They mustn't have that thing in them.

Speaker 2 1:12:48

It's not the same.

Speaker 6 1:12:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:12:50

And I heard I think I heard Andrew Tate right say this, right, shout out to Tate, free, tate. So yeah, he said he's free. No, no, no, no. He said nah, no. But I just like to say, because he pieces people up, that's why I keep saying, I say, but um, and I don't agree with everything he says disclaimer. Um, so he goes right. Who's more loyal? Right, the guy. So you go into a shop, yeah, and the guy.

Speaker 2 1:13:13

In this shop they only sell apples yeah so he's loyal to the apples, but he doesn't have the choice to buy anything else but the apples or the guy that picks the apples when there's all types of fruit there, there's loads of options of fruit, but he decides to stay loyal to the apple who's more loyal?

Speaker 4 1:13:32

the guy who picks the apple? Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:13:34

I actually disagree. I don't think most men cheat. I think that even when a man is able to cheat, the reason for him not cheating isn't because he doesn't desire other women. It's because the risk of cheating is too high yeah, he can lose his family, his livelihood, all of that yeah, yeah I think if he's not looking to have a family with said woman, he's most likely to cheat at some point but okay, I hear that and I'm gonna give you key, it's key, go for it.

Speaker 2 1:14:03

I understand what you're saying because obviously risk and reward. But let me ask you something then. So this guy that you're saying the risk and all that, yeah, there's no chance of her finding out impossible yeah, impossible for her to find out yeah, how what percentage of men would do it?

Speaker 5 1:14:19

I think more would yeah.

Speaker 2 1:14:22

Percentage though. Oh, I'm like 98. Yeah, I'd say 90%, 98, yeah.

Speaker 5 1:14:27

If it was impossible for us to find out. But that doesn't exist. It doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 1:14:32

And you know what the men oh, my days, the men that live at home and go to work and go home. They have to clock in and clock out at home. And some go home. They have to clock in and clock out at home and some of them get stalked when they leave the house by the wives. The wives wear the trousers like you. You don't come back at this time.

Speaker 2 1:14:47

You're in, you're in the you're keeping in the dog shed, but she's the leader, so it's irrelevant.

Speaker 4 1:14:52

I'm not talking about them, guys yeah, but you're saying all men cheat them are the men that don't.

Speaker 2 1:14:58

I agree with that. Remember my statement Giving the opportunity.

Speaker 4 1:15:01

I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm saying right.

Speaker 2 1:15:04

If a guy say a guy went clubbing, we're going to do guy goes clubbing. Yeah, and I'm saying these things right, I'm trying to just accept reality rather than pretend like we live in a world that doesn't really exist. Right, guys, go to the club, pull someone, girl's never gonna find out. It's girl's never gonna find out. She's just saying yo go to my car now. Da, da, da da. This will happen. Most men are taking it the two percentile and that's probably. It's probably religious in some way. Yeah, the only thing stopping the two percent of guys not doing it is God. Imagine that God is the only thing. God is the only thing. God's the only one powerful enough to stop you doing that because you believe he's going to see it. That's it. But apart from that, nothing.

Speaker 5 1:15:51

But I think that that scenario where he can just pick up a girl random night, no one's going to find her whatever, I think that is an incredibly rare scenario he's in the village, he's in a village in colombia.

Speaker 2 1:16:03

Colombia, they have no internet the only guys.

Speaker 4 1:16:09

Yeah, it's in a village in colombia they don't have internet or electric and they have a little cocktail bar there.

Speaker 5 1:16:16

The village goes to the cocktail bar. The men who can't cheat can't even live their territory.

Speaker 4 1:16:19

I'm not even allowed to go out like the men who can't cheat, can't even live their best life.

Speaker 2 1:16:24

But that's my point, I'm not talking about them guys.

Speaker 2 1:16:26

They don't have the option. The guys that have the options. So I am saying to you look, and ironically, this is the ironic twist to it right, the guys that most women want are the ones who can cheat. That's crazy innit. So the top guys, who all the women are attracted to, you want those guys the most and those are the ones that are most capable of cheating. I seen a clip today. Yeah, and it's quite funny. Yeah, she was saying when I finally decided to give the guy in my DMs a chance, right, and it's just Asian guys singing. He's like good morning, have you seen?

Speaker 5 1:16:58

that.

Speaker 2 1:16:59

Have you seen?

Speaker 3 1:17:00

it. No, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 1:17:02

Basically, the point is that he's a corny guy. The point is that guy singing a good morning of beauty in your DMs, he ain't gonna cheat on you. The other guy is good morning of beauty. That's what I'm saying. But you don't know what good morning of beauty. You want Chad Tyrone, or Tyrone and Dave them guys. You want them. Guys that can get gal Pick. Good Morning of Beauty.

Speaker 5 1:17:33

I need that on the t-shirt Pick Good Morning of Beauty.

Speaker 2 1:17:36

I see I might start doing bets yeah. I think I might get that 100%. Pick him, it won't cheat. Well, you don't want him do you.

Speaker 5 1:17:42

We already know his story.

Speaker 2 1:17:43

I want neither so because you don't want them, that's fine, except even if you want to ignore, even if you want to put a mental block in your head yeah, that is not cheating, you know. But just pretend he's not. You're gonna have to do that because more time, if he gets an opportunity, probably will. Or they are really religious guy and them guys don't want to have sex before marriage, so that means marriage or I would say caveat.

Speaker 5 1:18:09

I think a guy who's incredibly principled.

Speaker 2 1:18:12

A guy who's incredibly principled even them, guys, man, because Martin Luther King was clapping, yeah, them guys, man, because Martin Luther King was clapping, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:18:19

So this is what I'm trying to say I don't even think the religious things are things, because I've come across religious guys that try and talk to me in the secretive of ways they're not fully though. I'm not about the ones. No, some of them are the worst.

Speaker 2 1:18:30

I'm not about the ones that are deep in it, like they truly believe that God is watching.

Speaker 4 1:18:34

But you know what you find them guys aren't the ones that come across religious. Some people religion's just like an image. There's people who live their life and they're more godly that's true than other people but like the process of finding this person, that's up to you.

Speaker 2 1:18:48

Like I'm not really talking about that. I'm saying the deep ones.

Speaker 4 1:18:51

I hear you, I get what you're saying. Yeah, most will I'm not justifying it I'm just telling you what it is.

Speaker 2 1:18:59

We're raining outside.

Navigating Cheating and Relationship Dynamics

Speaker 5 1:19:00

Here's an umbrella that's it we already. We already know that men historically have had multiple women anyway, because it's like 38 of men have reproduced throughout history but it's about 95 of women have. So even historically, the majority of men historically are not getting sexual access and the few that are the percentage that are most of them get multiple sexual access that's why I think a conversation should be had before you get into a relationship but it's difficult for men to do that because there's so much expectations and unrealistic like how it plays out.

Speaker 4 1:19:37

Like if you say to a girl he's cheating on you, she'll just automatically have a heart attack because nobody's what you said. Going back to what you said, they need that older person who's wise and equipped for life to educate them that men do cheat and even men cheat. Maybe you shouldn't run away and throw everything you've worked for in the bin with your partner. There's none of that.

Speaker 2 1:19:59

I think that if he's providing for you, he's the father of your kids. You're married. He showed you that he cares about you, he protects you and he steps out once or even occasionally.

Speaker 1 1:20:06

But let's just say it's once. I don't think he should leave but has he told you himself that he stepped out? Have you found?

Speaker 2 1:20:11

out. He's told you. So that's how you found out you're an steps out. You leave immediately.

Speaker 1 1:20:16

Make it make sense see this fight.

Speaker 5 1:20:19

Yeah, he's just pouring gasoline. Make it, make sense. He's just pouring gasoline. I don't explain.

Speaker 4 1:20:22

If a woman if a woman cheats, and it's completely different. We say this all the time, of course it's different.

Speaker 1 1:20:28

I would leave straight away.

Speaker 2 1:20:29

I'm not letting no one disrespect me like that fine what you're gonna do is you're gonna give many men chances instead of the same man multiple chances.

Speaker 1 1:20:38

I give no man a chance, simple as and I come for their job instead and I go above them. I'm saying you gotta choose. You either give the one man multiple chances or multiple men one chance.

Speaker 2 1:20:46

Do you know what I'm saying? Because I'm saying 95% are going to who?

Speaker 1 1:20:50

is picking these men man rightly or wrongly no.

Speaker 6 1:20:53

I'm not justifying it.

Speaker 2 1:20:54

I'm just telling you what it is. I have friends, I see stuff. She has something to say, even she can't believe it, but like look, digesting, question me, tell me no.

Speaker 6 1:21:03

I just don't understand how you can say if a girl steps up, she's gone, but then if, if a man does it?

Speaker 2 1:21:12

I'm going to. I'm going going to be easy on you because you're quite young, so I understand why you think this and you know you've had a lot of social media telling you certain things, so I'll get it Right. Well, it's different if women cheat.

Speaker 6 1:21:24

I'm not saying it's right. Both are wrong to an extent. Yeah, but how so?

Speaker 2 1:21:28

Because I don't believe women naturally want to sleep with more than one man at a time. I think you're quite disgusted with yourself if you do A lot of women can ignore it for a while, but eventually you start.

Speaker 2 1:21:41

You feel you don't feel nasty. Your body tells you like it's new with more people, your pH level's wrong, you're smart. Your body tells you you're stupid. You shouldn't be doing this. You can only have one baby a year as well. That's just showing you it's one person. I can have a hundred baby mums at once because my body permits me to have multiple women. Can I ask?

Speaker 6 1:22:02

you a question yours don't go on have you been in a relationship before?

Speaker 5 1:22:05

yeah yeah, okay, when you were with this guy, you really liked him. Yeah, did you want to sleep with other men?

Speaker 6 1:22:10

no okay he does, he does what with other men?

Speaker 2 1:22:16

yeah, what with all the men? Yeah, oh kick.

Speaker 5 1:22:19

Larry man, oh God. That's why it's different, because when you cheat you've clocked out of that relationship. Yeah, emotionally he can we're not saying it's okay but he can be physical with another woman, but still love you.

Speaker 2 1:22:33

She could get hit by a boss the next day and he wouldn't care. What the girl that he's cheating on with? Yeah, oh, really yeah, he'll care about you, though Not saying it's okay, I agree.

Speaker 5 1:22:43

We should have a conversation right and be honest about it.

Speaker 2 1:22:45

Oh, yeah, yeah, I think you should have it If you don't.

Speaker 1 1:22:52

I think if you lied about it.

Speaker 2 1:22:53

I think that's wrong but the problem is this is the controversial thing about you, right? You don't want the truth, and I'm learning this as I'm getting you don't want to hear the truth.

Speaker 5 1:23:03

I and that is the truth. Yo, do you know what's mad I? I asked, I asked female mental mind being in this space. Yeah, I was like I've had this situation before, say, okay, where, like it was, from the jump, I was like this is how it's going to be. I may or may not step out. That's not for you, completely fair. Wish you all the best. She was like okay, cool, well, my mentor, she asked her niece, right, and they were like would you rather a guy's gonna tell you or that he lies to you? You just never find out. And they both said they'd rather the guy lies and they never find out. That that blows my mind because as a man.

Speaker 2 1:23:41

I would rather know, yeah.

Speaker 5 1:23:43

I would rather know give me the brutal, cold truth. Yeah, right, because that's how you show love to me, by giving me the truth. But I think a lot of women feel love by us protecting your feelings yeah, this is why men lie. Yeah, your feelings yeah, this is why men lie. Yeah, do you see what I'm saying? I understand that and that blew my mind. I was like, wow, like you'd rather be lied to than told the brutal truth.

Speaker 2 1:24:04

I've asked, like 100 women on the show.

Speaker 4 1:24:06

I prefer the truth. I have to have the truth.

Speaker 2 1:24:09

Well, I think it's quite clear from this show and other shows you've been, but the rule is you don't want to hear the truth, that honestly, you don't you say you do, but you actually don't Question.

Speaker 5 1:24:21

You're in a relationship with a guy that you genuinely love.

Speaker 6 1:24:23

You're like this is my man Do you want to hear it.

Speaker 5 1:24:26

Scenario or burn. Scenario or burn. Yeah, fantasy, you've got your dream man. He's everything you want in a man, right, everything you want in a man. Scenario one he cheats on you once you never find out. Scenario two instead of cheating on you, he breaks up with you what you're choosing and I and he's still cheating on me no, no, no so he's not, he just breaks so so, because he wants to sleep with another woman oh, scenario two he breaks up with you he breaks up, yeah okay, don't give me terrible advice.

Speaker 2 1:24:54

What?

Speaker 1 1:24:55

would you do?

Speaker 4 1:24:56

you'd rather be alone, you know, than be with someone that you've already slept with the guy, so you want to leave him and then build up your body count and then it happens again. And then when you get to 30 is what people say 50 kevin samuels, because you got a big kevin samuels, you're gonna keep chopping and going and going what would you choose?

Speaker 2 1:25:14

I already know she does not want to know I feel, I feel actually like I'd just stay.

Speaker 6 1:25:21

Can I be honest?

Speaker 5 1:25:23

You might be the exception. I think if we ask most women that question, they would say they would leave but most would stay. And I think the reason they say they would leave but would actually stay is because if they say they wouldn't leave, they think it gives men permission to do that.

Speaker 2 1:25:39

That is true, Mate. We see this evidence all the time man's gonna.

Speaker 4 1:25:42

Man's gonna do it. Who's been cheated on here?

Speaker 2 1:25:46

did you leave straight away? I know. Did you leave straight away? No, I know you didn't. I'm not talking about my private life, but I'm here I'm down with my man whatever I'm not going anywhere she didn't leave and you didn't leave straight away.

Speaker 6 1:25:59

I found out after did you leave? So I left, and then I found out that I've been cheated would you have left if you cheated?

Speaker 4 1:26:06

ego yeah ego yeah, because of your ego yeah, okay, but when you're younger it can be a thing of like does he like the other girl more? Because they're so young and the relationship's so new. So it's a difficult one, unless it's love.

Speaker 2 1:26:21

It's not.

Speaker 4 1:26:21

You just get a pen and paper Right and you write you make two columns I hear you, so you say side chick and you say me, tell him how to work it out. Okay.

Speaker 2 1:26:33

Side chick column.

Speaker 4 1:26:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:26:35

You yeah, and you write what he provides for you. So on the side trick part, it's probably just going to be dick okay on this part house kids yeah, holidays.

Speaker 4 1:26:49

The list is longer, so how old is the girl? She said 18 okay, so 18 year old isn't going. It's not going to be provided for the house or that so soon. So, yes, the bloody would not all girls.

Speaker 5 1:26:59

We're talking generally speaking no but do you know why this conversation is important for her?

Speaker 4 1:27:02

Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:27:03

Because she is in the phase of her life where she has the most power and agency.

Speaker 4 1:27:07

Okay.

Speaker 5 1:27:07

And this is part of the guidance.

Speaker 4 1:27:09

So what do you mean? Her mind's changing as the show's going on.

Speaker 5 1:27:11

Are you clucking that she?

Speaker 4 1:27:12

needs to know. So she's saying she left and then found out. But I was trying to get to the point of what's the advice for someone her age, say. Was her relationship new and there's nothing being provided? How would they determine that's?

Speaker 5 1:27:27

a good point.

Speaker 4 1:27:28

If the girl that he was seeing is more in love with her because that would be difficult at 18 to determine, because generally I don't know how young people are in relationships Maybe she's questioning does he love me more, what? How would you determine that then? I?

Speaker 5 1:27:42

just said the list, yeah, but you're saying house everything generally an 18 year old isn't being given a house.

Speaker 2 1:27:47

Well, my first advice would be don't, because obviously it's the harsh reality of guys that if you're 18 year old guy you will pay back. Yeah, so you should be dating if you're 18, maybe 25 or above 30 is probably your sweet spot, but that's probably. That's a big gap.

Speaker 4 1:28:02

So so if the girl's 18, she should be dating above.

Speaker 2 1:28:06

I think she should be dating 25 or above, at least at 25, I think why do you think that? Because I think at 25, you should be in theory, even if you've not reached your goals. It might be the reality check of you know what? I'm going to start setting my goals now. So at least you're working towards something 18-year-olds ain't working towards shit.

Speaker 4 1:28:24

I don't know, you just put a whole flip on what you usually say, because, yeah, you just sound like the girls. Because why should an 18-year-old go for a 25-year-old that's seven years older, when they can build?

Speaker 2 1:28:36

together, I think, but no one wants to build together the way at the finish line for the winners.

Speaker 4 1:28:41

Oh, I don't know what generation this is, man, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 1:28:44

I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, lee. I think what you're saying is at 25, it is a lot clearer to see which direction a man is going. You don't know that. 18, 19, 20, 21. Yeah, Some you do, some you don't. So you're going to be more sure on. Okay, this man is going to become X guy.

Speaker 4 1:29:03

I would have met my daughter with a 25 year old. I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 1:29:07

No, I get that, I understand, but the point is dating around your age, so for women it's kind of they're useless, to really Even like say, you could say 23, then I don't know.

Speaker 5 1:29:18

But I'm just saying you want to be going older because Lee, I want to ask you a question how old are you? My guy 31. What's the youngest girl you've ever slept with?

Speaker 2 1:29:29

21 or two. There you go.

Speaker 4 1:29:33

No, I get what you're saying, but I just think Wait, can we ask the girls? I think this just sounds like modern men. Now, because you're just sounding like modern men, why you're saying date up? Why are we telling?

Speaker 2 1:29:44

for women yeah.

Speaker 4 1:29:45

Why would you tell like we've got 18 year old on the show and your advice is to date up? Why can't people be real and say date somebody who you love and like who you want to build with. Why can't that exist anymore?

Speaker 2 1:29:57

because it's not reality anymore you think?

Speaker 3 1:29:59

so, yeah, it's not. So I'm a bit on your side because I believe in love and nurturing and things of that nature so not everyone's going to be given the opportunity to to live and to be able to build by themselves. Sometimes they need a partner, ideally someone who able to build by themselves. Sometimes they need a partner, ideally someone who can support them and give them that infrastructure at home and mentally so that they can build together in somewhat that stage whether you're 18, 19, 20 or whatever, because there is cases of people at your age that can build together.

Dating Dynamics and Personal Growth

Speaker 3 1:30:37

Now, I don't think it's a unicorn type of thing. It's just been built out of this system because we're very fast and hard. Not a lot of people want to work hard not have that 10 year plan together. Some people just want to do it really fast. That's true.

Speaker 2 1:30:51

What I would say is this is the thing.

Speaker 2 1:30:53

I get what you're saying, but for me, I've just written a quick list. I'm quick like that, right, so I've written a list of, I would say, the three main things that women would want from a guy, right, and for me, all these things are something that you're going to learn later on in life. As a young man, you're not going to know all these things. So the first thing I would say I think you want a leader At 18, are you going to be a great leader? Maybe finances, social security 18, live at home with your parents. Can you provide that? Probably not. And protection 18, probably skinny. Maybe ain't started your gym journey Unlikely. So it's like, yeah, I understand the building thing, no, no, no, but I'm dealing with like reality.

Speaker 3 1:31:31

Now Back in the day I agreed I should build. The key thing. What I'm saying is a man will never know who he truly is until he goes through some hardships, and a man goes through his hardship a lot earlier. There's exceptions that rule. But they go through it a lot earlier than women do because the world hits us a lot earlier. Sometimes you get it at 15 to 16 because you're stepping out of school and you go into the world at that age because you have to go to college. People there are a lot stronger than you. They're physically more stronger than you. They've got a lot more time and sense than you. So you just get hit really hard with that that can become someone or make them a lot stronger. If someone's got a support network in terms of a female, sometimes it can help, sometimes it can't. I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is you have, a man can never build himself until he gets, until he wants to or until someone makes him.

Speaker 3 1:32:26

And that's the layer, man, and sometimes a woman can make a man build himself. That's true Because a mother can do it or a partner can do it.

Speaker 2 1:32:37

The problem is right is? I hear what you're saying, but you see that machine that you go through to become a man, for the most part now in 2024, they're not trying to be at the front of the machine, they want you to when you come at the end of the conveyor belt. So that's what I'm saying so I'm saying back in the day yeah, married young, built together, fine. Now I'm just giving advice for now, and now is probably date up someone who started their purpose.

Speaker 4 1:33:01

That is awful advice to an 18 year old girl, but the reality is that now though, no, it's not the reality. Just because it's the general reality doesn't mean that it's the destiny outcome for every woman.

Speaker 2 1:33:14

So do you sorry, do you think now women build men up? I'm not saying, they can't Do I think women build men up?

Speaker 4 1:33:23

Every successful man I know, up to a millionaire, has good women behind him, so they've got to contribute in some way. And I know what you're saying. Do they build them up?

Speaker 2 1:33:30

Would they become a millionaire without them?

Speaker 4 1:33:32

I know what you're saying. The women who do that are the minority, I agree. But just because it's the minority shouldn't be the fact that you're accepting modern reality and giving the girl advice to date or based on modern reality? Okay, it's scarce, but it still exists. Where women do exist, where women do stand by men.

Speaker 2 1:33:50

I get that and I understand what you're saying. Well, I used to be like you. I wouldn't have accepted how reality is like through you go through life.

Speaker 4 1:34:00

I keep going back to what he said, because what he said is so valuable. You need older women who give advice and who can support and guide you. There's women around me now that are still like that and they do madden sometimes, you know, just shut up, but you know when you go and reflect, right. But there has to be women like that. So I'm not going to sit here and let you say that without me putting my input, because maybe when that girl grows older she'll be like you know that woman was right, because it's got to be right, because instinctively as women you'll never change your biological demeanor as a woman.

Speaker 2 1:34:31

But day of no remember. It's the men as well.

Speaker 4 1:34:33

I'm talking you why are we selling? So let me ask you what men around your age.

Speaker 2 1:34:38

What's 18? What are they doing?

Speaker 6 1:34:41

I have no idea.

Speaker 2 1:34:41

I don't associate with them because you said in the club the ones causing the trouble and drinking again, they're the 18, 19 year olds, because they haven't figured it out yet.

Speaker 2 1:34:49

So it's the men that have changed as well. So I'm saying, to adapt to what it is now, back in the day you could get married, no pre-nut. But for me to say, get married and don't get a pre-nut now, just because that's how it once was. No, I'm going to give the advice based on reality now, and the reality is, you know what, it doesn't matter how much we grow as humans, biologically.

Speaker 4 1:35:07

The love and unconditional thing will never be washed out of society until we're robots. So I'm giving advice based on the fact, yeah, whenever that comes I'm just saying I'm just saying biologically. The advice is based on human biological domain and you're giving that modern advice to a girl yes, I'm giving biological yeah, you're saying because women want protection, leaders and fight and security.

Speaker 2 1:35:33

What's 80? Just because she wants that as an 18 year old women, in general, she needs educating okay in general.

Speaker 4 1:35:39

18 that she needs educating Okay in general. 18-year-olds need educating on what they actually need. They don't need what they're looking for Because when they get it, we are now producing miserable older women who are toxic and influencing the younger generation. Can I say something?

Speaker 2 1:35:52

to you and this might be shocking here, but this is coming from a guy, right?

Speaker 4 1:35:54

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:35:55

This is where it will work out beneficial for both parties, right? Because a man at 18, I understand there might be some women that can motivate. They don't really want it, but let's say they can. Right, that's the minority, right? I don't think men should be in a serious relationship at 18 anyway.

Speaker 4 1:36:10

Because let me tell you what happens to us. That's why I just said don't date, why Women shouldn't be dating men. So I'm saying, once he's found his purpose, which is older, because when he's 18, don't even be dating seriously. No, no, no what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 1:36:23

I'm saying don't be dating seriously.

Speaker 5 1:36:25

Leave the girls alone.

Speaker 4 1:36:26

I'm saying find your purpose. At 18 years old, both men and women find your purpose.

Speaker 2 1:36:31

Look, this is the thing.

Speaker 4 1:36:40

There's a double motivating. But you can also make us very soft so you can't tell men to find the purpose that bed's warm to women. Your skin's soft, so you should.

Speaker 2 1:36:43

Am I getting up to go gym? It's hard, it's difficult you know what? You want the house warm. I want to suffer in the cold we finally disagree no it's true.

Speaker 1 1:36:53

No, if you're telling men to date.

Speaker 4 1:36:55

If you're telling girls to date off and men not to date and find your purpose. Educate women correctly and tell them to find their purpose too. What do you mean? You're telling men the cat.

Speaker 2 1:37:06

No, no, no, Let me just. You're contradicting yourself today. No, no, let me contradict what I mean by. What do you mean by? It depends what you mean by purpose.

Speaker 4 1:37:14

find the purpose, because 18 year olds don't have a lot going on generally as boys. So you say, and then you told the girl, or given advice in general to girls that they should date up, but before that I said women shouldn't. Why are they dating anyway?

Speaker 2 1:37:27

so that's what I'm saying no, but the main thing is, you're giving two different advice to two different. Yeah, because we're different genders. Let me tell you why we're different.

Speaker 4 1:37:34

Why is it acceptable for women to date around?

Speaker 2 1:37:37

then they shouldn't be dating. Then no, I'm not telling them to date around, I'm saying screen the guy, because this is the thing At 18 years old, there's a guy.

Speaker 4 1:37:44

No, we're not going to agree. We're finally disagreeing.

Speaker 2 1:37:47

Wait, wait, wait as 18 years old because our paths are different. So, as 18 years old, as a boy at that age, your focus should be your purpose, what you're going to do, where you're going to go with life and how you're going to get there. Now it can be very similar to women, I understand, but the main thing when it comes to dating, what you should be doing at 18 is protecting your chastity, protecting that kind of protecting your innocence, because you don't react well to trauma.

Speaker 4 1:38:12

So as least amount of trauma as possible for women. Are you on about trauma creates men? Are you talking about men?

Speaker 2 1:38:17

no, I'm talking about trauma creates men.

Speaker 4 1:38:19

Okay, so do you think an 18 year old girl yeah should be dating or finding a purpose. Why is the different advice?

Speaker 2 1:38:25

for different genders. Remember, I'm saying, I'm saying what you could do, I'm saying what you know. What's your advice? I'm asking you again you're right.

Speaker 4 1:38:32

No because what's your advice for 18 year old girls?

Speaker 5 1:38:36

I just said, said to you, but the reason she doesn't need a purpose is because she doesn't need a purpose right in life to attract a good mate. Men do.

Speaker 4 1:38:45

To attract a good man.

Speaker 5 1:38:47

A good mate.

Speaker 4 1:38:48

Yeah, do you mean a man?

Speaker 5 1:38:50

She just needs to look pretty, as in like. It is not a prerequisite for a woman to have a purpose for her to be considered desirable A man with no purpose.

Speaker 4 1:38:58

I'm not about desire, I'm about life conquest. Every individual should have a purpose, man or woman, I understand, but we're talking about dating, right.

Speaker 5 1:39:04

We're talking about how can you choose the best partner right. So for a man, because what attracts women? He should focus on building those things in himself.

Speaker 4 1:39:13

No, you're both on the same side.

Speaker 2 1:39:15

I don't want to hear no more you know what I said to reality? No, I'm not saying. But you can ask me that question again. I'm not disagreeing with reality. What should women be doing? I answer.

Speaker 4 1:39:23

No, I'm not disagreeing with reality. We were speaking about the girl because she said she had a relationship and whatnot, and she's young, she's 18. Yeah, and you were saying but then when you start talking about men, you say an 18-year-old should be focusing on his purpose. So you're giving out two different advices for two different genders. So I'm saying I disagree with that Do you know, why? Why is that?

Speaker 2 1:39:46

Is a 25-year-old woman going to take an 18-year-old man that has no prospects?

Speaker 4 1:39:54

Is a 25-year-old man going to? You're just moving the goalposts. No, I'm not. I in the gold plus, I'm not answering you. I'm telling you what the differences are. So, a 25 year old woman, is she going to take an 18 year old?

Speaker 2 1:40:01

generally speaking, no right so the other way around. He will take her with no prospects yeah, but that's your advice to girls.

Speaker 4 1:40:07

Men don't have the option, no, but men.

Speaker 2 1:40:09

Men don't have the option to date a 25 year old, so that's why it's different yeah, but you're saying the options of an 18-year-old girl dating an 18-year-old boy is slim I was providing suggestions because I'm saying, if you want these things, that I said it's probably going to come from an older person. Can I ask you a question?

Speaker 5 1:40:27

If your son and your daughter came to you for advice on attracting a good partner, would you give them the same advice?

Speaker 4 1:40:33

Would I give them the same advice? I'm obviously the exception here with everything, so I would generally. Would I give them the same advice? I would, yes, I would. I'd equip my, my son and my daughter with enough what would be the advice? They're obviously going to live two different lives because they're a boy and a girl, but in relationship would I give them different advice?

Speaker 5 1:40:51

absolutely no, no, no, no. I said about attracting a good partner of course it's going to be different that's what we're saying.

Speaker 4 1:40:59

No no, I wouldn't. It's not the same as what you're saying. No, don't try and flip it. You just told a girl to date her, yeah so would I tell my daughter to go out dating to get herself a man, an older man, and my son, okay, I can see where the confusion is.

Speaker 2 1:41:14

I'm not saying that they should date. I'm saying if you want to date, that's what what you should do.

Speaker 4 1:41:18

No, my point here.

Speaker 2 1:41:19

If you don't want to date, don't do it. What?

Speaker 4 1:41:21

should 18-year-olds be doing, because 18-year-olds today are an absolute mess.

Speaker 2 1:41:25

In a dating market.

Speaker 4 1:41:26

Yeah, what should they be doing? I just told you in a dating market.

Speaker 2 1:41:29

Preserve the things that men find attractive in you.

Speaker 4 1:41:33

No, you, because you to me, men should be focusing on building the purpose. So that's not the dating market.

Speaker 2 1:41:38

That's not dating, so you're talking about life generally because 18 year olds can't attract the top women or even the midwomen so why can't women focus on what they're doing? Because they can attract the good guys and be looked after because they don't have to have a purpose.

Speaker 5 1:41:50

No, I don't agree with that have you heard that saying men can lose money chasing women, but they will never lose women chasing money?

Speaker 4 1:41:58

Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 5 1:41:59

Right, that's not the same for women.

Speaker 4 1:42:01

I just think the advice. I disagree with the advice. I would not tell an 18-year-old to date. That's ridiculous, Do you?

Speaker 2 1:42:07

want me to give advice on how it should be.

Speaker 4 1:42:09

On what.

Speaker 2 1:42:09

So I can give advice on how it should be. It's contradicting, because you're saying no, no and build a kingdom. Yes, that's how it should be In reality. Is that how it is?

Speaker 4 1:42:18

Yeah, but just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean that I should dilute my standards and start teaching 18-year-olds that you should date off.

Speaker 2 1:42:27

I'm not going to double down on my standards, yeah, but if unicorns don't exist, I'm not going to provide training.

Speaker 4 1:42:33

I know women that do exist and, yes, they're scared.

Speaker 2 1:42:35

I'm talking about the actual animal now, not even women. I'm saying like I'm not going to provide hunting advice on how to hunt a unicorn.

Speaker 4 1:42:40

I'm going to instill my principles into my daughter. I don't care, dinosaurs have gone and everything's changed, because my daughter will be raised under our values.

Speaker 5 1:42:49

Can we ask the ladies a question when you were 18, you're 18, did you find men who were your age attractive, or men who are maybe like anywhere between three to five?

Speaker 1 1:43:03

years old and more attractive to you always my age, and the only exception was there could only be one year older or one year younger, and I've never dated out of that has it changed now?

Speaker 2 1:43:10

nope, still around your age. What about you?

Modern Perspectives on Gender Roles

Speaker 6 1:43:13

older. I've never found anyone attractive my own age. I've never had any boyfriends, any situationships at my age. I've always been older.

Speaker 2 1:43:21

I think, like I said, I think at that age the bed's warm, your skin's soft. Do I want to go and leave the warm bed and soft skin to go and fight war? Probably not.

Speaker 5 1:43:33

I think what you're saying is the ideal, but can we accept that most people are not going to get.

Speaker 4 1:43:38

That I agree. I completely agree. Can I just say something? I know it scares I actually I agree with you. I just don't think this advice applies now so we actually don't disagree, but I'm giving advice for now.

Speaker 3 1:43:48

We agree, that's the ideal so we get the opportunity to change the narrative. That's the thing, that's the problem and I think we know.

Speaker 3 1:43:54

No, because every man needs something to hunt and the way that I grew up with strong women and so I value the strength in women and I can see the strength in women and it is lacking today. But you can implement that in women. I've got a daughter now, so that changes my narrative, my thinking, tenfold. So advice I give to an 18 year old is I wouldn't say, get into a dating world unless you know he's truly someone that you want to be with. However, if you feel that he has value but he can't yet see it or he can't yet tap into it, then encourage him to.

Speaker 3 1:44:32

And I won't say you need to hand hold him or hand feed him, but say, look, I want this, I'm working. But say look, I want this, I'm working towards this. I want you to then help me or help yourself go towards that. How can I help you? If he then gives you no, I just want to, then you know he's not for you. If he says do you know what I like, that I want to do, that I want to invest in that, you can then invest your time little by little can I ask you a question.

Speaker 2 1:45:01

Of course, this is the thing. No, not you. I'm gonna ask the ladies and the people watching as well. This is probably a clip. What would you prefer as a woman, a guy you have to motivate or a guy is more who is motivated?

Speaker 1 1:45:12

motivated. Yeah, second one there you go.

Speaker 2 1:45:15

That's the fast name. I'm just saying that's what they know that's the fast, that's the fast name.

Speaker 1 1:45:18

They don't want to be getting up saying get up.

Speaker 2 1:45:19

That's what I want.

Speaker 1 1:45:20

No, no no, they want to see you get up. They stay in bed while you get up.

Speaker 2 1:45:24

They have that little breeze of cold while you're getting out of the bed and they can snuggle back up in the wall.

Speaker 1 1:45:42

And I'm going to if you say this is what I want, and he's like, yeah, but I just want to do this, then you move on.

Speaker 4 1:45:45

But I think what he said is so valuable to women, because it's true. You said for boys find the purpose. Yeah, focus on purpose, and I think for a woman who's 18, she should be focusing on herself, if that's how modern society is remember, though I said I'm saying, if you're, if you are interested in dating an 18 year old woman. I'm going for that. Let me finish.

Speaker 2 1:46:03

Not the 18 year olds, okay, but the guys I'm saying don't date, because that's going to hold you back and you need to be able to earn these things to get women.

Speaker 4 1:46:12

No, no, no. If everything's changed and women can have careers, is what you're saying.

Speaker 6 1:46:16

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:46:16

Right, I'm going to say to the women don't date either and focus on building all of that nonsense.

Speaker 2 1:46:22

Does careers come with trauma?

Speaker 4 1:46:23

No, you're going through it. You're saying this is modern day?

Speaker 2 1:46:24

No, does careers come with trauma?

Speaker 4 1:46:26

Hang on a minute.

Speaker 2 1:46:27

Yes or no?

Speaker 4 1:46:28

No no, let me finish. Let me finish and don't date you. That way you keep your body count down and focus on yourself instead of giving yourself up so soon.

Speaker 2 1:46:38

Well, remember what my rules are. My rules are no sex without marriage.

Speaker 4 1:46:42

I agree.

Speaker 2 1:46:42

So then you're getting out. That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 1:46:44

Women would be less traumatised if they weren't sleeping with men to get up in the career industry. Are you married? I'm not with you on marriage laws.

Speaker 2 1:46:51

No, no, I'm saying that's my rules. I'm consistent Don't sleep unless you're married. So you've got the commitment now.

Speaker 4 1:46:57

So if we're talking, about this unicorn land that you put in place with this law about flipping, not being married, then that changes the whole context altogether.

Speaker 2 1:47:06

Let me break it down For men. You shouldn't date women because the things that they like in men dating a woman that young is going to hold you back. As a woman, you can choose the career path or the sit and wait for your prince to save you and no one would even judge you for that. But you can pick either. I'm saying if you are going to war Korea and all this, that's going to come with trauma.

Speaker 4 1:47:30

What trauma are you referring to? Stress in general, okay.

Speaker 2 1:47:35

Because you have to have masculine traits to build yourself up in a business all those things there. They are kryptonite to women. That's what I'm saying so. I'm saying try and avoid that if you can okay the thing is you can stay home with your parents if you want and not be judged. A man will be judged for doing that, so you can't do that. We live completely two different lives and the advice has to be different.

Speaker 4 1:47:56

You're just going to have to agree to disagree to them.

Speaker 2 1:47:58

Fair enough first time we've disagreed. The thing is, I actually don't disagree with you. I understand what you're saying and I agree. I just think the advice to young girls is awful why is? It though, do you have?

Speaker 4 1:48:05

children.

Speaker 2 1:48:06

Yeah, that's exactly why, but my advice to my and he's got a daughter but my advice to girls and even if the society is washed out, it's going to make sense, but what's the point? Wait, hold on. What's the point I'm saying?

Speaker 4 1:48:22

your advice was don't get trauma because it affects you, like definitely did it affect you in short, your advice was young boys, focus on your purpose and building yourself, and date up for girls not if they want to date. They can get a partner at 18.

Speaker 2 1:48:35

They can, no, no.

Speaker 4 1:48:36

I would say to a girl no, don't do that. If guys are focused on the purpose.

Speaker 5 1:48:40

So what would the woman's purpose?

Speaker 2 1:48:41

be then in Korea.

Speaker 4 1:48:42

What would her purpose?

Speaker 2 1:48:43

be yeah, Korea.

Speaker 4 1:48:44

I believe women should stay at home, but you.

Speaker 2 1:48:47

That's what I just said. You agreed with me?

Speaker 4 1:48:49

No, I don't agree, I said stay at home with your parents at 18.

Speaker 2 1:48:51

It keeps changing. Yeah, they won't care. Yeah, what kind of family are?

Speaker 4 1:48:53

you from I'm, no I'm. I was gonna say you're not insane mate.

Speaker 2 1:49:01

It's expected for a man at 18 to get up and get a job. Now it's not so. The pressure's not so much for women. You can, you can choose but it's not.

Speaker 1 1:49:09

The pressure's not the same. No, the pressure is for women as well. Who's? Maybe it's a cultural thing then.

Speaker 2 1:49:16

But I'm saying the men are expected for the most part to get your ass up and go work now. Get your shield and your sword and go and conquer. It's not the same for women. Go home, you can learn how to cook with mum if you want.

Speaker 4 1:49:26

I'm just saying it can be like. I think it is the same for women. You can choose to go there.

Speaker 2 1:49:31

I disagree with you. Today, it is the same for women, so for women to pick up a shorthand shield and go into war than there is to men, not war, you just change what you said.

Speaker 4 1:49:39

You're changing what you say.

Speaker 5 1:49:40

Do we shame women for being broke?

Speaker 4 1:49:43

No, you don't Do. We shame men for being broke and women do that to men. Hold on.

Speaker 5 1:49:46

But do we shame men for being broke?

Speaker 4 1:49:48

Do men shame men for being broke Do?

Speaker 5 1:49:52

society. Shame men for being broke. Yes, they do no, so there's a different. Let's go, we're wrapping it up.

Speaker 4 1:49:58

I like it.

Speaker 3 1:49:59

I like it, but that's my point.

Differing Views on Dating and Commitment

Speaker 2 1:50:01

There's. No, the pressure is different.

Speaker 4 1:50:02

You can you have the best of both worlds.

Speaker 1 1:50:04

You can you can have a shield and sword if you want, you're gonna have trauma you might catch some bodies and that's gonna affect you men.

Speaker 2 1:50:13

The trauma and the body is actually gonna make you better, is actually going to make you better for the woman, because no one wants a virgin man. You don't know what he's doing. You want to know what he's doing, you want him to know what he's doing and you want him to be successful and motivated. We don't care. You can only know the three goats that your mum's shown you and you know how to cook and you know how to clean, and a guy will snap you up.

Speaker 4 1:50:35

I don't think you should give advice to young girls. You should leave it to him.

Speaker 6 1:50:38

You know what.

Speaker 4 1:50:38

Kit, we'll leave it there it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 1:50:42

I just know that in reality, right a homeless Brazilian girl with green eyes whose fire can get a millionaire, a broke Brazilian guy on the street with no shoes on, he's not even he's invisible.

Speaker 2 1:50:58

You don't even see him. Yeah, that's the difference. And on that note, guys, if you're watching two hours into the thing, make sure you subscribe to the channel and leave a comment, and all of that. What I want you to do now is guess, plug in your social media you might have and say how you think the show went, and we'll start with you muckle down.

Speaker 6 1:51:17

I think the show went quite well. To be fair, I think I quite my perspective has changed, but I don't like that anyway.

Speaker 1 1:51:25

My socials are at jayden faith okay, I think the world is so lost. I'm not gonna lie to you. I genuinely feel like people girls need to prioritize themselves firstly, and I just don't know what mentality like you lot were coming from today, but I literally think so, completely opposite from what you said. So maybe I'm not in the same bracket of girls that you put on today, but I just feel like more girls need to think like me there's a whole other life out there.

Speaker 2 1:51:51

Girl like honestly we're talking about dating dating. Yes, there's a whole other life and trust me, yeah, so do you're saying men like women who just care about themselves, because men based dating. So we've got to understand what the other sex wants.

Speaker 1 1:52:03

Women don't need to stand for the things that you said. No, I'm talking about men and women. So if you're trying to, attract a partner.

Speaker 2 1:52:09

If you're trying to attract the opposite sex, I think we need to know what the opposite sex wants, right, because that's how you're going to attract them. So I'm saying men in general don't want bus babes that just care about themselves.

Speaker 1 1:52:20

But what if I find a guy that's in his own bag and cares about himself, and then we just get together and we understand each other perfectly?

Speaker 2 1:52:27

Ironically, ironically, right, women like men that care more about themselves. You know why? Because that means they're going to be more successful for the most part and that they find that attractive. Catch it bitch the most part.

Speaker 1 1:52:37

And that they find that attractive, catch it bitch and you're on the end of social media my socials are x, underscore, underscore, mad, and I post every single day, guys, so definitely give my journey a follow don't listen to advice, though, because if they did, they'd be in a better place, I promise you no, they'd be bus babes that men don't like yeah, and their life would be flourishing.

Speaker 1 1:52:56

They don't need a man. Men don't like them. I don't care, they don't need a man. Do you need a man? No, you don't. Society is telling you that, mate. Society is telling you that.

Speaker 5 1:53:04

You don't need a man. You said you don't want kids and stuff.

Speaker 2 1:53:07

No.

Speaker 5 1:53:08

So you don't need a man.

Speaker 2 1:53:12

But for women who want to have a family they the police and who's that?

Speaker 1 1:53:17

it's a woman or a man.

Speaker 2 1:53:18

You do know that so three men break into your house, you call the police. Yeah, you get to push a button. Yeah, and this button says three women. This button says three men. Which one are you pressing? Three women, oh no that is actually.

Speaker 5 1:53:31

She's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not she's not.

Speaker 2 1:53:38

But what they don't understand is that my logic is undefeated. Stop that, and I'm clipping up anytime. Clip that up, clip it up and on the end, finally, we disagree on something.

Speaker 4 1:53:53

Yeah, we disagree on you giving girls advice, what? What did you say?

Speaker 2 1:53:58

Yeah, I said we disagree oh yeah, the show was good.

Speaker 4 1:54:04

I still think you shouldn't give young girls advice. All right, my social media, I feel, if you tell me to.

Speaker 2 1:54:11

Because I think our advice is very similar.

Speaker 4 1:54:13

It's always been similar.

Speaker 2 1:54:15

No, because you're saying that women should stay at home. Be stay-at-home, mums.

Speaker 4 1:54:18

I agree.

Speaker 2 1:54:19

So then at 18, they can be staying at home.

Speaker 4 1:54:21

I hear what you're saying and learn how to be mums, like I'm saying as well. But then you were saying talking from a modern point of view.

Speaker 6 1:54:27

Yeah, if you're going to date, date up.

Speaker 4 1:54:33

I hear you.

Speaker 2 1:54:33

Because said, even if we want to say 23, I'm just, I just think, at 25, that's when, like men are like no, I wouldn't instill those principles into any girl.

Speaker 4 1:54:41

To say, chase a man who's established, because you can lose everything no, no, no, not established.

Speaker 2 1:54:45

I'm saying, 25 is where you start your motivation.

Speaker 4 1:54:47

I would say a guy at 25 is on his way. You're saying, basically I wouldn't tell my daughter to go hunting for a man who's on his way. No, because you don't know what's around the corner so what do you want? I want my daughter to be in love with a guy who she can support through the ups and downs in life, because that's inevitable but why can't you support the guy that's on his way?

Speaker 2 1:55:03

he needs it the most.

Speaker 4 1:55:04

I hear what you're saying, but I think it works better when you know somebody when they're up and down, so you know that through the ups and down, you're still going to be together, regardless of the outcome I understand, but is that the world that we live in now? I don't know what world's going on today, but this is my world Because I actually want that world too.

Speaker 2 1:55:21

I agree with you, I agree, yeah, but I'm saying it's not the reality now.

Speaker 4 1:55:24

I hear you. I've burned all the unicorn hunting books because they don't exist. I see this today. It still exists where I'm from way.

Speaker 2 1:55:36

I'm saying, I'm saying if they want to date, if my, I would say probably.

Speaker 4 1:55:40

I'm saying probably don't date as well. Yeah, but I'm saying, if you want to, and heal yourself if you're sleeping around, because you can't just go sleeping around, because it doesn't make any sense, but with my rule that doesn't happen. I don't like your rules because I don that's how you get the commitment.

Speaker 2 1:55:56

Not necessarily nothing higher than that. Not necessarily no other form of commitment aside of marriage.

Speaker 4 1:55:59

I agree there's a commitment in marriage, but it ain't all what people make out to be. There's people who ain't married who have it last, of course, yeah but you can leave at any point, though it doesn't happen in some people. They just love each other magically in unicorn land. They love each other. Most people break up, though I don't know and who initiates most breakups?

Speaker 2 1:56:17

No, no, now we're getting into that.

Speaker 4 1:56:20

No, there's people who are not married, who still function. So we're going to disagree again, because when I start talking about unmarried couples and you for marriage, I know it's not going to work.

Seeking Guidance From Older Women

Speaker 2 1:56:29

No, so I Okay, let's just end it, because we can go forever yeah disagreeing social media I don't, you don't know me. I don't mind not having my social media.

Speaker 5 1:56:43

It's all right, okay, all right. Girls key I mean sorry, kit, yes, uh, great show. I think if anyone's going to take anything is that, especially if you're a young woman watching this, that look for someone to help give you guidance in that side of your life. Because, especially, I actually think, I agree an older woman who maybe is where you want to be in life. She has a good man, has a good family, etc. Because I think she will show you what to look for and what actually matters. Um, and I think your dad will protect you from the bad boys. Um, but, yeah, I had a fun time. Thank you for having me. Lovely to jump in as co-host last minute. Um handle is uh, at stay slick with kit on instagram, tiktok and youtube, so catch me there okay.

Speaker 2 1:57:21

So again, as I'm saying, you've been recording for two hours and you've been watching this long makes no sense not subscribing. Make sure you subscribe to the channel. We're under 10 000 subscribers. Subscribe to subscribe there. That's it in the show. People peace.