Simps Built TOXIC Women and It’s RUINING Dating | CC Podcast EP 161

Simps Built TOXIC Women and It’s RUINING Dating | CC Podcast EP 161
In Episode 161 of the Cancel Culture Podcast, the panel unpacks the raw truth behind why modern dating is falling apart and it starts with simps. The group dives deep into how low-effort male behavior, digital thirst, and unconditional validation have empowered toxic femininity, giving average women inflated egos and unrealistic standards.

They break down the rise of platforms like OnlyFans, where mid-tier women are earning like celebrities not because of value, but because men have dropped their standards entirely. With attention being the new currency, women don’t have to change because men keep paying. The fallout? Real relationships are being replaced by transactional dynamics, clout-chasing, and manipulation.

From masculinity being labeled “controlling” to submission becoming taboo, this episode exposes how the gender balance has completely flipped. If you’re wondering why dating feels fake, transactional, or hopeless this is the blueprint. Raw, unapologetic, and necessary.

Time stamps:
00:00:00 - Preview
00:00:53 - Clout vs. Creativity in the UK
00:05:30 - Authenticity in Online Content
00:08:39 - OnlyFans: Respectable Job?
00:11:22 - Guest Introductions & Backgrounds
00:13:08 - Leaving the Army for OnlyFans
00:19:08 - Racial Preferences in Dating
00:22:36 - Interracial Relationships & Double Standards
00:23:59 - OnlyFans Content Breakdown (Male Creator)
00:30:56 - Mental Health in the OnlyFans Industry
00:35:50 - Self-Employment vs. Traditional Jobs
00:40:52 - Is Romance Dead? Modern Relationships
00:45:47 - Hypergamy & Dating Challenges
00:50:49 - Career Impact on Future Relationships
00:54:35 - Marriage: Business vs. Covenant
00:59:58 - Traditional Masculinity & Emotional Struggles
01:03:50 - Gender Dynamics & Control in Relationships
01:06:15 - Oversexualization & Impact on Intimacy
01:09:35 - Closing Remarks & Social Media Plugs

Transcript

Is Clout More Valuable Than Creativity?

Speaker 1 0:00

Is OnlyFans a respectable job.

Speaker 2 0:01

Would I date an OnlyFans girl? I probably wouldn't. I want my girl to be private.

Speaker 1 0:04

And what do you do?

Speaker 3 0:09

I'm not attracted to black girls.

Speaker 2 0:10

So the girls I go for right are Barbie dolls. I've met so many girls and they've been like ugh, you do it yeah.

Speaker 4 0:17

Marriage is a fucking business. Going back however far normal everyday people did not get married.

Speaker 1 0:25

Do you think?

Speaker 4 0:25

that clout is more valuable than creativity. Clout has got so much power now on it. We've got to a point now not much is really authentic anymore.

Speaker 1 0:29

I, lowkey, want my man to be a bit controlling. I want to know how you want me to dress because if you're not trying to tell me, then you don't care. Divorce rate 80% lower in couples that pray together. On what did you say? You're a fan, I'm a fan. I'm the only fan. Scott's a fan he's a sub you're a sub, I'm not.

Speaker 3 0:46

No, no, no, no, no no, I don't like that, I don't like that hi guys, thank you all for coming.

Speaker 1 0:55

I'm making your journeys, so the first thing that I kind of wanted to ask you guys today was do you think that clout is more valuable than creativity in the uk at the moment? Go on, let's start at the end.

Speaker 4 1:09

Come on, muller um I'd probably say so yeah you'd say so why? Um, I feel like I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say everyone's chasing it, but people think it's a lot more easier for them to chase. Basically, you can, you can gain clout in it, but you could not have no skill yeah, yeah, you can just do something absolutely crazy. You could fall into certain one day, bam, someone's recorded it and then you're a sensation.

Speaker 4 1:32

It's like before I feel like a lot of people are like orchestrating fake um scenarios, fake situations in order to get yeah, I feel we're at a point now where people are like, when you watch certain content now or you see certain things, you're like it's fucking stage days, but some people are so deluded they just believe it.

Speaker 1 1:51

Yeah it's crazy, I feel, like when you're in the create scene and you kind of know how fake a lot of the stuff online is, but then everyone that's not in it, they just buy into it so easy so they believe everything that they see online you've got to think in it.

Speaker 4 2:02

There's a lot of simple sorry, there's a lot of simple-minded people out there, you know. So you think, here you weigh up on a percentage simple-minded other people that have actually got sense. They're always going to win in it 100, what do you think?

Speaker 2 2:17

I don't know. I feel like cloud has got so much power now on it and I feel like make you could make so much content a day, but it depends how good the content is to get someone with it. Like, you can make 10 videos in like an hour and they could just be like not the best videos, you won't really get anywhere with it, but with clout, like so, you can get quite far with it. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 2:37

When you say like clout is powerful, what's the most like powerful sort of clout you think you've ever had, if powerful.

Speaker 2 2:46

What's the most like powerful sort of clout you think you've ever had?

Speaker 1 2:48

if you've had any what like known known to your face.

Speaker 2 2:49

Yeah, like, yeah. Like when I was posting my videos in that it was getting like a decent amount of views and people would like see me out and be like, oh, it's him and that. And I thought it's quite powerful if you go somewhere, you could get trekked differently to someone else because they know your face. I mean, yeah, because they say it's.

Speaker 1 3:02

Yeah, because they say it's not what you know. But it's not what you know, it's who you know. And that takes away from creativity, because creativity is a lot of what you know.

Speaker 2 3:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:11

What about you? You've been in a lot of spaces with some big creators.

Speaker 3 3:15

Yeah, I think creativity is more important, but cloud is just more recognisable. If I had a lot of clouds and no creativity, I wouldn't feel satisfied with myself because I'd be making shit content. I mean, I could post 10 videos and they could all be like I don't know, viral, a million plus views, but they could be shit videos. And then I could post one really good video that get like 100 views, but it could be like the best video out of all the time. Do you?

Speaker 1 3:42

know what I mean, but it just doesn't get as much clout.

Speaker 3 3:43

Yeah it's just the clout.

Speaker 1 3:45

It's more recognizable I saw um a video of a girl on tiktok the other day and she was saying how she was. Um, she was laughing at a tiktok that she saw like she was bending at it, and then, as soon as she saw that it only had like 100 likes and it wasn't viral, she instantly stopped laughing, just instantly stopped.

Speaker 4 3:59

You know what that's? That's a mad thing, you know, because I feel like people go off views innit.

Speaker 5 4:03

They do.

Speaker 4 4:04

Let's look at it as small as this. We all could post a video right now. Now let's be real. How many people you got in your phone contact, in my contacts, in your phone contact? How many people you got in your phone?

Speaker 3 4:15

contact Swansea.

Speaker 4 4:17

How many you got in yours. Quite a few, you know.

Speaker 2 4:19

Maybe 150.

Speaker 4 4:20

Alright, now you to all. Right now. You think now you post a post and it reaches about 5 000 views. You'd reach about 5 000 views to. Most of us are going to think that's a bit shit in it, but realistically do you know?

Speaker 1 4:30

5 000, 5 000. Yes, it's crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 4 4:32

so don't be wrong when you reach and obviously it's past 10, 20, 50, 100. Yeah it's a lot, but you think something as small as that is mad I think we're just so used to seeing these big numbers.

Speaker 1 4:42

But, like you said, like I mean, if you take anyone's like Instagram following or anything like that and just fill a room with that many people and you're like that many people like support or follow you or watch your stuff, it's just like that's actually.

Speaker 3 4:52

It's like how many followers have you got right now on Instagram?

Speaker 1 4:57

um, just like over, just over 30k.

Speaker 3 4:58

I think if you put 30,000 people in the street right now, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 5:03

Exactly, that is a lot. That's a fat army. It's mad, isn't it? That is a lot of people, it is.

Speaker 4 5:09

But I feel like people treat stuff like, as you said, if people see, oh, it had like 100 likes, oh shit, yeah, but it's not. I mean the fact that she instantly stops world now, where things can be painted how you want to paint them. I could pay for 10 000 likes, 100 000 views. Now it changes the perception, even though you don't know what paid for that yeah, so realistically it's not authentic, is it I?

Everyone's a Food Reviewer Now

Speaker 1 5:34

feel we've got to a point now not much is really authentic anymore yeah, I feel like we see so much different content online, all these different stuff that we see, and we've got another question here, um, about food reviewers. Basically, why does everybody think that they are now a food reviewer?

Speaker 4 5:50

I'll be joking. We were saying this earlier and I was saying like okay, cool, you've trimmed two of your friends, doesn't that? Does that now make you a bot? Uh, for a friggin, friggin. I bother you. You poured two pints. Does it make you awful? I?

Speaker 1 6:03

do hear what you're saying, but you know, when you say is everyone a food reviewer? Well, everyone has the ability to say whether that tastes good or not.

Speaker 4 6:12

No, no, no there's difference between saying if you like it or you don't and actually trying to critique something, can it? Okay, no, yeah, and actually give something actual, honest, good feedback so someone can even make a change, do better or halt where they are.

Speaker 1 6:28

Why did you write this question? Has someone done a review on this? No, no, you don't like it. You're like oh no, I've seen her. I've seen her.

Speaker 4 6:34

What's his name? World Boss from London, flavor Boss, yeah, and someone's reviewed his thing, but obviously she's gone there, don't?

Speaker 2 6:41

be wrong. The food didn't look the best.

Speaker 4 6:42

I was like oh bro, you could have done it, but what it was there is that she's just an everyday gal off the street talking her thing and, like you haven't even tried the food, like you picked your fork and da da, da, da da talking your shit and it's like you haven't given no positive, no, no so they haven't even gone in with there thinking like what was the point of that?

Speaker 4 7:02

then he's clapped back and everyone's like oh yeah, the food was shit anyway. And I'm like so why did it take something negative to then everyone to pipe up if you knew something was shit? You should have said it was shit. It's like you've waited for someone else to do something.

Speaker 4 7:15

Then everyone's now throwing their two pences for the clown but it's, it's mad, though it's like, why does it take? If you don't generally like something, then why are you trying to leave? Make someone else lead then for you to talk in it. So really have you got your mouth, not really trying to hide behind other people to say what you want to say in it.

OnlyFans: Respectable Job or Not?

Speaker 1 7:31

Yeah, no, I think I think you have a point. I think you have a point right. Next question is only fans a respectable job. We're going to start down here okay, I would say so yeah well, why do you think it's respectable? What about it is respectable, should I say?

Speaker 2 7:45

first of all, right, everyone thinks, oh, you're doing OnlyFans like, you're getting your full, you don't have to like. Everyone thinks, oh, if you're going to do it, you're going to be plowing through like, whatever gender you want to do in it there's different, there's different layers to OnlyFans and then just do a lot of reels for clickbait.

Speaker 3 8:04

That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 8:05

The whole lie. If you went up to someone and said, oh, you do OnlyFans, they'd instantly think you're shagging. You know what I mean. Like it doesn't have to be anything like that. It can be the smallest stuff that you can, just like you're in your boxes, but to be honest, with you, would I date an OnlyFans fans girl?

Speaker 2 8:27

I probably wouldn't. You wouldn't, because I know how like toxic the whole game is, like you just don't know what's going on with her, or like it's just bad news and I'll. I want my girl to be private, I mean okay, okay, yeah, and what do you do?

Speaker 1 8:39

mostly solo content, honestly yeah on only fans yeah, yeah so, even though you're in it, you definitely wouldn't want a girl, that's in it that's only because the toxic side of it.

Speaker 2 8:48

I would date an OF girl, but it's just so toxic, like when I just say toxic, it's like people other OF models shagging other OF models who they know, like in OF. It's like a community, like everyone knows, knows everyone so everyone's in an open relationship, pretty much like they've shagged their mates just for os stuff. I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 1 9:08

That's why I would not get an afk okay, interesting, see a lot of, a lot of male only fans creators that I speak to. They nine times out of ten have an only fans misses. So that's the first time I've heard that. Wouldn't go for it. What about you?

Speaker 3 9:22

what do you say? I don't think so. I actually. I know a lot of LF creators and I have got respect for them because they're doing their thing Do you know what I mean. They are.

Speaker 1 9:33

You can respect a person without agreeing what they do for a living. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 9:40

I just think I could never bring a girl home to my family who does OnlyFans. She can't sit down and say to my mum I sell pictures online naked. It's wrong. It's just wrong. There's no way to put it right. It's like the only thing I can think of is money. That's the only reason I can be like okay, it's understandable to do it.

Speaker 1 10:05

Would you do it for money? Because on the last show you said I said to you, could you be bought? And you said yeah, so is that in regards to everything? Then?

Speaker 3 10:16

I think how much money. How much money? It depends on how hard you try to work, boy.

Speaker 4 10:23

Everyone's got a number, you know.

Speaker 3 10:27

I think for OnlyFans there's no amount of money no amount of money, no amount of money for, like, never having sex again. Okay, yeah, there is a price. Yeah, like I'm not gonna say the price, but there is a price. But OnlyFans is the one thing I wouldn't, yeah, couldn't be bought for, couldn't be bought for no.

Speaker 1 10:45

What do you think? Respectable or not respectable? You know what it is.

Speaker 4 10:49

It's been selling anyway. It's been selling before it was even called what it was called.

Speaker 1 10:54

I always say the sex is always going to sell yeah, as I'm saying, it's been selling before.

Speaker 4 10:58

It is what it is now. It's just it's been happening. It's just now out there. So, it is what it is, and it's a hustle, isn't it?

Intro and Dating Preferences

Speaker 1 11:11

Yeah, it is a hustle. It is a hustle, I know, so why don't we introduce ourselves? We'll go from this way down. Tell us name, age, what you do for a living, relationship status.

Speaker 2 11:30

What's your religion as? As well, if you're religious. Yeah, so I'm harry. I'm, I'm 20 next month. Um, I do, I have full time, obviously just retired from another job. Uh, I live in london. Well, I just recently moved from manchester, manchester. I used to live in deansgate towers. Um, that's where all the drama goes off and um, yeah, it's a bit about me and oh yeah, I'm single single one sec.

Speaker 1 11:45

She belongs to the streets. I know he. He listen. I'm a girl in the seat so I'm gonna say the boys are belonging to the streets. I don't give a fuck. Okay, just cause you spin it on, a girl is yourself yo, I'm LS, life, my people, what's good, what's good?

Speaker 3 12:02

LS Life 19 people was good, was good. Ls life, 19 years old, um 20 in october, and I am single, but I'm a content grazer and I'm a model as well lovely and yourself boom.

Speaker 4 12:14

know what's going on? Chef all over the building um 33, from burningham, um full-time chef, camping chef, whatever you want to call me, whatever you know me as Currently yeah.

Speaker 1 12:29

Specialise in any type of cuisine.

Speaker 4 12:31

That was you, I want to say you know what? We kept the brand borderline. You know? Yeah, so we can dabble.

Speaker 2 12:36

Dabble. I like that.

Speaker 4 12:37

Dabble into everything you can hear in there. Yeah, we're good, good like that, really. So if you need a private chef, let me know, okay so I wanted to come back to you for a second.

Speaker 1 12:48

So you said um, you recently left your job. What job did you do?

Speaker 2 12:52

uh british army british army.

Speaker 1 12:53

So you do only fans and you're in the army no, so I was in the army.

Speaker 2 12:58

I went raw engineers, transferred to army air corps to become a pilot okay, being a trainee pilot at the time and, um yeah, literally one day I got out of bed I was like let's start selling myself and then I don't even know what button on spoke the brands for that I'm on sec, I'm just gonna press that one, okay, I said I got one day and said let me sell, sell myself.

Speaker 2 13:22

Yeah, and then how it started was like I was doing like TikTok live and stuff and basically I think like TikTok live is geolocated so if you're in an area of someone, obviously they come up on your page and that I was doing TikTok lives every night in my room, literally just grinding out, grinding out, and it started to become like people knew my face off camp from TikTok. And then one time I was doing this tiktok live right, there was about 200 people from the camp watching this live screen, recording it, screenshot on it and everything a lot. And then it got to the point like people was coming up to my room when I was at night time just doing my live, like banging on the window, calling me names and that, and I was like what's getting?

Speaker 2 14:01

on um, and then, literally soon after that, I got called into my sergeant's office boom, harry, are you doing only fans while you're like serving as a soldier? And I was totally honest. I was like, yeah, I am. And then he was literally like you've got to stop doing this or you're gonna get kicked out. And I was like, look, I'm making decent bread like I just want to go. So I gave up the arm. I said gave up, I retired myself from the army. Uh, they gave me seven days to leave, literally packed up bags straight out. Um, and that was my army career wrapped up. But you know what? I miss it a lot like. Now and again I see all these pictures, videos of me, like with all the boys going out on little missions, like it was sick and what made you initially want to join the army?

Speaker 1 14:45

did you always wanted to be a pilot? What was it?

Speaker 2 14:47

no. So I went to college, I failed everything, like parents were going through divorce. I just lost my head when I was basically trying to do exams and that for like year 11 to year 12, and then I was just failing everything. I was like, what can I do? And then, um, I just looked around, looked at army stuff applied within six and within six months I went straight up to North Yorkshire when I was 16 and seven months old and then started my career from there and then left home for six months to just stay up north and then, yeah, it went from there.

Speaker 1 15:17

So do you think that what you're doing now, like the OnlyFans and UTSA and everything like that, do you think that was worth losing your career and future in the army for I?

Speaker 2 15:27

mean yeah because yeah and no because I miss the army, because you've got all the sort of discipline, you've got the moral, morals, whatever you call it, and you learn like a lot of just general life skills, how to like be a good person, how to respect other people and respect other people, um, and just like general general stuff. And also you get a lot of sort of benefits while serving, like you can get into certain places, transport, um. There's just loads of like little pros and cons with it. But I feel like what I've done now I've met some amazing people in my new career. I've got like I'm a lot happier as a person. Like the fact I can go home and sleep in my own bed every night. It's just a massive thing.

Speaker 2 16:04

Eating well the scoff outs in the army camps were disgusting, like where you eat and that yeah um, I just feel like now I've improved a lot in my like in myself, like the way I look from leaving.

Speaker 1 16:14

I just don't know how to describe it okay, yeah, do you get a lot of hate from the guys from um the army?

Speaker 2 16:21

massive hate, massive hate and it's never like the army lads are on me like a hawk, like these massive army pages on instagram posting me up, calling me all this, that and the other, but like I've never had someone better than me hating on me, like it's always been people who are just like you know. You get them like fake accounts on your tiktok and instagram, just being like like all of them every day oh yeah, I've never met a happy hater in my life.

Speaker 1 16:47

Let's be real, like anyone, that's what I mean anyone that we show another hate well, you know what it is, you know what they're saying.

Speaker 4 16:52

If you ain't got no hate, you ain't doing something right. 100, 100 and I'll tell you what?

Speaker 1 16:56

it doesn't matter what you'd be doing, because you can breathe on the internet and you're going to get hate for the way that you breathe in. Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 17:03

But I think, yeah, don't take this the wrong way. I think being in the army is one of the proudest things you can do as a man, as a man serving in the army is like top tier. That seems so proud. And then to go to OnlyFans, it's like it's a big jump shot. No, it is, it's a completely different ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 1 17:21

You've got, you've literally, like you were saying, from, you know, being in a place that's drilling in morality and discipline and and respect, to then literally go into the other side.

Speaker 2 17:32

Yeah, no, my parents were like so when I was going through the I was so proud of myself. I was like I've done the hardest bit of training to join the army. To go through the basic training part is like the hardest bit. It's like called civvy to soldier. It's like they just melt you down and my parents were over the moon like they turned up to a passing out parade where you finally become a soldier. There was crying tears being like well done, harry, all this and the other. But when I left there was quite disappointed. But they were like just harry, as long as you're happy, that's all matters. And I feel like for me generally, once I've left, I've been so much happy as a person like I've managed to go out to lovely places and sort of come back to myself again with the army, almost like a robot, like constantly 24 7 routine you've got a sergeant being like right, that's this, that and the other like oh yeah, you're not yourself at all.

Speaker 4 18:19

I think you're forgetting the main point. No, you're still putting that. Shit goes to shit, putting your fucking life on the line, isn't it? Oh yeah, 100% listen.

Speaker 1 18:27

I never serve in the army. I serve in this country.

Speaker 4 18:29

People are onto you and I brought like, let's be real, you're fucking putting your life on the line bro.

Speaker 1 18:33

Yeah, it's real shit when he hits the.

Speaker 3 18:41

But I feel like if you're doing what you love, that's the main thing like if OnlyFans makes you happy.

Speaker 1 18:46

So one sec, what do you actually do on OnlyFans? Onlyfans is the only one actually, you know what I'm going to come back to that question there was something I wanted to talk about while you were seeing it.

From Army to OnlyFans

Speaker 1 18:54

It's been been seen a lot about it online at the moment. Okay, so you know, in a lot of the black community they say like I want to stay within the black community when I date, they want to have black children, they want to keep the bloodline, everything like that. And no, that's, that's that's what. That's what I hear people say online like that, that, that's that's what they want. Um, and you know, people have been backlashing against that. What would you say to that? What people staying in?

Speaker 4 19:23

there, yeah, yeah, like what. What would you say to that? What people?

Speaker 1 19:24

staying in there. Yeah, yeah, like what? What would you say to that?

Speaker 3 19:28

I'm. For me, this is like this is getting quite bad, like people gonna take this the wrong way. But I'm not attracted to black girls like. That's just how I am. That black girls just aren't my type. I like white girls. That's just how it is. And when people hear that, they just be like oh wow, you should like black guys because you're black. There's that, but it's just.

Speaker 4 19:47

I don't know I feel, yeah, I feel at a point now, this, this everyone's mixing and doing their thing, like it's for people to kind of just say, oh, you can only date in your own race, it's kind of like it's not really going to be, it's not realistic. It's really not realistic and obviously, like I've dated like different cultures and that, and it's all yeah if you wanna.

Speaker 4 20:08

If you wanna stay in your own place, completely fine. If you don't, then feel free and it like it's not really you're not obligated to do what other people want you to do, and it's. I don't really see no issue with it, to be honest I completely agree.

Speaker 1 20:20

I do think that there's a massive contrast online. If, say, a white dad was to say, oh, I want my daughter to date within her race, everyone goes. That's a racist dad instantly. But if a black dad says, I want my daughter to date within her bloodline, everyone's like yeah, of course, okay, like of course, All right.

Speaker 4 20:39

Now we're on this topic and I feel no one's ever actually given me an actual honest answer why they say this. Like white girls, for example, they will say, oh, I've never dated a white man, I've only dated a black man and it's like. But why? Like they've never actually given an honest response why you wouldn't date your own race. You know what I mean. I feel like a black person saying that now it would be a problem, but like a white girl saying that and it wouldn't be an issue once I'm I'm confused, so basically white girl saying what now?

Speaker 4 21:14

basically white girl saying like oh, she wouldn't date a white guy, she only dates black guys. And I'm saying yeah, but why wouldn't you date someone?

Speaker 1 21:20

oh, you know, I think I think everyone has a preference, but I feel like if you are completely like, I definitely wouldn't date this. I feel like it's low-key, a lie, because that's not love. Energy happens and you fall in love with sometimes it can be someone that's absolutely the opposite to your type, and if the energy's there, that's what happens. That's what love is. They say that love is blind, but yeah, I see a lot of. I mean, when we spoke about it before it popped off and then we saw online, there was a woman it was a black woman saying when he sees a black man with a white woman, she sees weakness in. She thinks there must be something weak about the black man, she said.

Speaker 1 22:00

but when she sees a fellow black woman with a white man, she thinks she's finally found safety and peace she must be tired and I just think that is great, that is absolutely crazy it's stupid because technically it's the same thing yeah, the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 22:15

Yeah, obviously the opposite way around. It's technically the same thing, so to have two different opinions and two different visions? It doesn't make no actual sense.

Speaker 1 22:22

Yeah, but it seems to be the view of TikTok online, the social view. Should I say that a black man dates a white woman? He's weak.

Speaker 4 22:34

And the white woman is a fetishist. I'm going to say something that might be a bit mad, but I think I have to say it because some people might understand it.

Speaker 4 22:40

You see, if you're going to do it, you've got to do it properly, as, as a black person like you can't just date Sally from down the road. They're going to look at you like you fucks that. You've got to look at Becky Becky with the good hair. Now, if Becky's got a little tan, she's looking, she's about her thing. The point is you're going to look at her.

Speaker 1 23:00

Done your thing as I said if you, if you fucking with sally and kelly and them, get there, you're not gonna get rated on the contrary, though, I saw online a guy saying the other day if I'm gonna date a white girl, I want a white taylor swift girl I don't want a.

Speaker 4 23:13

What I'm saying this is that that's what I'm saying. Like they're looking at, like if you're going to do it, do it properly. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying what people are probably saying, but they're never, ever gonna say no, I think I do see some people saying that sort of stuff online.

Speaker 1 23:30

Yeah, I think it's just like a mad double standard for interracial couples on the sex, like when the sex is flipped it's just viewed so differently. When it's like, you said the exact same thing now. It's mad stuff, it's crazy. So, yeah, I wanted to come back to what do you actually do on OnlyFans? That's what I wanted to ask. Sorry, oh, have you got to go by the way?

Speaker 1 23:51

yeah, yeah um, yeah, what do you actually do on only fans? We're saying there's lots of layers to it, so what is it that you're, what's the service that you're providing for anyone that's watching and interested?

Speaker 2 23:59

right. So when I first started I said to myself right, I'm just going to keep it full solo, I ain't going to be shagging any birds like, I'm just gonna keep to myself. But obviously when it goes later on down the line like you start getting more money, so you've got to open more doors, um, all my content is straight. Like people say oh, do you do stuff with other men to give them more money?

Speaker 1 24:19

but are all your viewers? What's your viewers?

Speaker 2 24:22

all gay men, all gay men how do you feel about that? People always say this, this to me, like oh, you're literally sending your Corey to a gay man, but I'm like your Corey.

Speaker 1 24:32

I've never heard. I've never heard someone call you that. I'm going to tell Corey that.

Speaker 2 24:37

Or your prick, that's what you call it Like I don't know, I don't really have a sort of I don't really care, like these men I'm talking to, like it's not like I'm going down the road and meeting them and bash them in the bush, you know, I mean like I'm just keeping it very.

Speaker 1 24:53

That was my next question. Are you the one doing the talking to them like? Yeah, yeah yeah, and like, do you do like requests for them and stuff like that?

Speaker 2 25:00

so mainly like I've run off custom requests. Say, if you subscribe to my page, you wouldn't be able to see my, you wouldn't be able to see my quarry, you're just going to see like pictures of me in a mirror or teasy stuff. I'm quite I'd say I'd class myself as quite an exclusive model. Okay, um, I've got boundaries as well, like I know a few mates out there who are straight, but they are doing some kind of like stuff.

Speaker 1 25:22

I'm like whoa so when you said the the money's coming in and I've got open more doors, what? What doors are you opening? What?

Speaker 2 25:29

what you're doing. So that's what I mean. At the start, I didn't want to get my face in it oh, so you were going to go faceless.

Speaker 1 25:34

I was going to go faceless. That's when I was in the army.

Speaker 2 25:36

I was like can I get kicked out, can I not?

Speaker 1 25:38

and then I just dropped here I'll get my full face out so do you think that when the money starts to come again like you go through another and you need to open more doors, what are you going to do then? Are you just going to stay in this bracket? I?

Speaker 2 25:49

know like I've got a line, don't I mean like the end I still think about? I want a wife and kids and I'm older, like I'm straight.

Speaker 1 25:56

I want a family like so do you think because what, what I think happens a lot correct me if I'm wrong is that a lot of only fans models ends with the same mindset and, like you just said, they feel like they have to open more doors to keep the attention, to keep the demand there. So, if you don't want to go further, do you think that OnlyFans is going to be a sustainable career for you if you're not willing to do more?

Speaker 2 26:25

I see what you mean. That's why I started another little job up as well. But I feel like if you've got a really good niche on OF, you do tend to do quite well. Like people know me now as the army boy, I'm not just some random OF creator, just one day flicked it on. I feel like I've got a proper story, like I've got a perfect sort of gap in the market for doing it and I don't think it will fully die off with the content and also with the subscribers. Now I've managed to get such a big bond with them like I speak to them every day. The same person like you create a sort of like I don't know how to describe it like a relationship with them so you're creating a relationship with your male subscribers and it doesn't make you feel any type of way?

Speaker 1 27:10

no, because for me I feel like, even as a girl if I was like talking to other girls I feel like at some point, if you're building a relationship and, like you said, you bonding with them and you're talking every day, um, and on their side, you know it's for like, sexual pleasure and and that sort of stuff. That that's just what.

Speaker 1 27:30

That's mad to my brain, like yeah, I kind of slide when I do the chatting and I kind of go into it and just switch off, and then when I come back out I'm just like like dissociate text all my girls again to just refresh my brain this is what every only fans creator comes on and they say you say when they're talking or when they're having sex or when they're doing this, they have to dissociate, they check out. But then they say I really enjoy it. But it's like how can you really enjoy it if you have to dissociate to get through the task?

Speaker 2 27:55

it's funny. I laugh when I do my, do my chatting like I don't know what it is about. It's not funny, but the sad thing is right, though it sounds really bad. I've, since I started, I've not had one wank for pleasure and I've not um like I don't know if I can say the word or not, but like I do most of my stuff now sexual stuff for work yeah, I would say that's quite sad, because it is there's no um like human connection, isn't it?

Speaker 2 28:27

when I was younger I used to love bashing one out, but now I'm just like, oh, do I have to do it?

Speaker 1 28:32

no, it's like a chore yeah, it's a chore.

Speaker 3 28:33

There's still a limit on what you can do, though, like is there something like yeah? If someone says something if someone says something to you like oh, that's too far, I can't do that.

Speaker 2 28:42

That's when it goes like chill.

Speaker 1 28:45

See, this is what you say for me, when I hear this, that already is a gay side for me, like not disrespectfully, but for me that's when I hear that I could never have, I could never be like seeing the guy and he told me, yeah, like I talk and have these, I would never, nothing in me would be able to see you as fully straight, like that's crazy.

Speaker 5 29:09

It is what it is. I'm not going to judge.

Speaker 2 29:11

Games the game champ.

Speaker 5 29:14

I couldn't do that. No, yeah, I couldn't sext, well, yeah.

Speaker 4 29:18

Nah fair play. Like Nah fair play.

Speaker 1 29:20

No, everyone's Nah nah, nah, fair play to you.

Speaker 4 29:23

Know what I do, nah, but it's one of those when you're like it is what it is, but we're trying to justify like you can't justify that that is whether you think they were OnlyFans or not.

Speaker 3 29:33

People are still going to doubt it. So he's just making money off it, he's just hopping on the train sorry, I generally thought it was a Gangnam thing, so is that, but no, they're all girls on my way I agree with you.

Speaker 1 29:44

It wasn't until I came on this show and there was like the first OnlyFans mail that I spoke to, that I was like, oh what? I was like what. I didn't even know the guys were on here. I thought they were just like props, like that's what I was like.

Speaker 4 29:54

Yeah, fair play, but I don't know, that's a bit mad.

Speaker 1 29:56

Now, that's not not in a judgmental thing but I'm saying, like of life, that although I love hearing about these stories and I love gaining insight and I think knowledge is power, I can always understand why people do stuff. When they tell me their story like I can think okay, I get it, I get it all right but I just could never do it.

Speaker 4 30:15

So what I'm saying is like all right, cool, let's be real, I don't want to find you. Certain times you probably don't know who you speak into you don't? But when you say now you're building relationships and you know who the person is, or you know it's a male that's now crossing, a different type of water because that now is what it is.

Speaker 1 30:37

You can't. Yeah, I don't know. Most only fans, males, uh, male, only fans creators sorry, they, most of their viewers, are like what do? It was when he came on he said over like 86 or something like so, over like 80, is is is male subs.

Speaker 5 30:49

I have petrol for a leave yeah, what did you say?

Speaker 1 30:53

you're a fan. I'm a fan of the OnlyFans.

Speaker 5 30:55

I'm a fan of the OnlyFans what you've seen his stuff I don't support OnlyFans, though.

Speaker 3 30:59

He's a sub, you're a sub, I'm not. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold, on hold on. That's like yeah. I'm going to be dead serious. The first one. I'm going to be dead serious, that's right.

Speaker 2 31:08

Okay, it's all coming out now.

Speaker 3 31:10

I'm a fan of his content, his social media content, not the. Onlyfans content. Okay, yeah, I'm not subscribed.

Speaker 1 31:19

Thanks for coming.

Speaker 5 31:20

One sec plug your socials before you go and everything socials Instagram, snapchat, youtube, ls Life so this is more about OnlyFans, because obviously we've got somebody who does OnlyFans here, so might as well ask the question and we don't always get male OnlyFans, so OnlyFans creators.

Speaker 1 31:37

So it's nice to hear the other side of it.

Speaker 5 31:40

You know what I'm saying if sex marketing is so empowering, why do so many creators leave the industry or have like a lot of emotional drainage from it?

The Truth About OnlyFans Industry

Speaker 2 31:49

that's a very, very good question and it's actually so like something big that needs to be spoke about. I know so many curators right, and it happens to probably 75 85 percent of them of creators. The whole game is full of drugs. I know so many creators who are off their nut most of the time right, I think I'm one of the only curators that does not do drugs. There used to be content days right. Each weekend. All these models will come up to this apartment, right, all of them off their nut because none of them feel comfortable doing content sober. So I'll just be there, right, just sober, just doing all my stuff. I'll be looking around. You see these girls that she's walking around, their eyes just pulsing oh my god, what's going on?

Speaker 2 32:34

like why can't you do your job and actually enjoy it? Like if you're not enjoying it, you've got to do something else. Like when I say I'm happy all the time and that, or I'm happy because I enjoy what I'm doing. But these crates, I feel like they're just doing it as a massive last resort and it's like they're only thing they're going for them, so they're just like force themselves to do it, but it's putting them in a massive sort of mental breakdown. Debt, uh, drug stuff going on. Like I know people have been in rehab from of because their minds been that bad.

Speaker 1 33:02

Like yeah, I hope games washed should I say what I think?

Speaker 1 33:05

I think the reason, like you said, is like a last resort. I feel like a lot of um people, especially women, they go in to kind of like I hear a lot of them say take the power back, take the power back and you know what I kind of get. What they say, like I get where they're coming from. When, when you're traumatized, especially if you've been through sexual trauma as a woman you feel like you have to to claim your power back. But they do that by then exploiting themselves, so they feel in power of the exploitation.

Speaker 1 33:30

But really the saddest thing is that you were never supposed to be exploited in the first place. And so they go into an environment where they think they're in control because they're exploiting themselves, but they're still exploiting themselves. And then they've obviously got a lot of mental health issues a lot of OnlyFans girls do and so I feel like you're putting yourself in a toxic environment that is literally killing your soul, killing your spirit, until eventually something's you know some sort of breakdown is going to happen, something, because realistically, you're surrounding yourself with the same people in it.

Speaker 4 33:57

Yeah, obviously you're going through the same shit as you, so realistically who's going to help you at what point?

Speaker 1 34:02

you're all kind of in the same storm, isn't it?

Speaker 4 34:03

it's well, not, not all of them.

Speaker 1 34:05

No, yeah, yeah but when I say always speaking like leaders for majority, yeah, there's always, and also when you like obviously have sex with someone.

Speaker 2 34:13

You're getting feelings as well. When you have sex, it's not just, oh, you're just doing it like I feel like attachment. Birds get attachment it's literally scientific.

Speaker 1 34:22

You know, when a woman is having an orgasm when she's having sex, certain hormones get released to make you fall in love with the guy. So if you are, you know the, the creators that do have a lot of sexual partners and collab a lot. If you are having constant sex with new people, the, the emotional wait have I got an emotional damage button?

Speaker 3 34:41

yeah, yes, emotional damage it took away.

Speaker 1 34:46

The moment, though, like I'm not gonna lie, like I said, I just feel like it's. They're emotionally damaged and then they're just in a damaged environment with other emotionally damaged people, and it's just it's one of them, ones in it like they're probably thinking the money's gonna cure it in it yeah and it's like does it actually cure it?

Speaker 1 35:02

yeah, I think it just soothes it for a while, doesn't it? It just makes, makes things seem good. But you know, materialistic things are never gonna heal if. If you're not good at your core, it doesn't matter what you buy or you slap on yourself or you dress up and you you're not going to be good at your core like you.

Speaker 5 35:17

Gotta make sure the inside sealed as well so to be fair this is a separate question to what, what I am, what? Into your mind? It seems to be a thing. I think this is, this is popular, isn't it? Can you hear me now? Yeah, that's good, yeah, right yeah, it seems to be a theme like unless you're, you've made it, made it a lot of the the OnlyFans. They like they hide away from their numbers, like I can't actually make and stuff like that they do. I do believe like a lot of what you earned to put back in it. But again.

Speaker 4 35:46

I don't know that because.

Speaker 5 35:46

I don't do OnlyFans, I don't know the ins and outs, you know what?

Speaker 4 35:49

it is. It's a job innit, it's a business I've heard people quote it. It's a fucking job, bro, just because you see the next girl earn so much and so much for the next person, bro, you've got to put as much work in as they're putting in, putting it like there's no days off in it.

Speaker 1 36:06

It's like your technically, it's your own business and when I hear them talking um like they say they've got a book venues to be able to do it in and a lot of places don't won't accept it or they'll be paying more. Any of them that have children it can't be filmed in the same property. So every like and when you just hear the amount of like expenses that go into it, it is crazy. But keys right. A lot of um women that, like I spoke to on podcasts they do, they don't want to talk about any of the money they earn and for me I think if I was on, if I was on only fans and I was earning loads. I'm gonna be telling you what the fuck I'm about it's the reality of business, though in it as I said not every fucking day.

Speaker 1 36:43

Yeah, yeah yeah, someday, shit's just not selling so it's kind of like the music industry. You see all the big rappers and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me. You've got to put in the work, you ain't you've got to invest into yourself 100% 100%, I get it.

Speaker 5 36:58

Obviously. The tax man they're scared to you know, say their numbers.

Speaker 1 37:03

You can give a rough estimate, yeah, yeah, you can give like a kind of rough like I feel like you can tell when it's um, you can tell when they're not saying because of the tax man or stuff like that, or just someone private versus you can tell when it's they're not actually doing well, and I think I personally think it's um sad like I don't understand the tax part of it because because everything is digital.

Speaker 2 37:25

It's just so quiet Tax bracket on earth is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 37:29

Yeah, but what you're saying? Like tax managers, they don't want to speak about their numbers in case it gets ventured with a tax man. But it's all done.

Speaker 4 37:35

It's all being calculated.

Speaker 1 37:36

It's all being calculated. If it's on OnlyFans anyway, now yeah exactly so it's weird, it's weird.

Speaker 5 37:41

I always find that part of it weird.

Speaker 4 37:43

What you're doing, maybe stress the finger of where, because I said if you're gonna do it, make sure you fucking do it and get out.

Speaker 5 37:50

Don't do it and still be here it doesn't make no fucking sense you know what I mean, especially if you're gay, if you're doing gay stuff and you're not gay, yeah, I'm just saying, if you're gonna do it, make sure you do it and get the fuck out.

Nine-to-Five vs Freedom

Speaker 4 38:04

Yeah, what was the fucking point? No, I hear that it's good, we just got our job yeah, fucking nine to five.

Speaker 5 38:10

I agree with that, though yeah, fuck that.

Speaker 1 38:14

I've flown through like over 40 jobs since I was about 14. A lot of them were nine to fives. I could never do it. I've done so many different jobs. I've been a high ropes course instructor. I was like emotional support for like homeless people, rehousing them. A million different office shit and I just unless I was working now, like I'm working for myself, I can do life when I'm working for somebody else. You know, I think it is I think it's the freedom.

Speaker 4 38:39

You know like I don't think money can actually keep me somewhere.

Speaker 1 38:44

Yeah because I went broke just to have freedom, like I can't work For someone else, you see, the fact Of waking up and saying, like, what do I actually Want to do today?

Speaker 3 38:53

Yeah.

Speaker 4 38:54

That there. You can't do that. When you're on Someone else's time, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 38:58

And you ain't ever, ever, ever, getting rich, rich, rich, yeah, working A nine to five At for somebody else's company. They ain't never going to let you get rich, because it's their company Because, prime example, you've got to look at it like this.

Speaker 4 39:10

You see, when you work for someone else let's look at our percentage level 80% of your life is to them You're left with about 20% for yourself. How are you made to figure out? You're stupid. 20%, you're made to sleep. You're still made to do what you do when figure your shit out family, it's not gonna happen, it's unrealistic.

Speaker 1 39:28

And if you died, that job replaces you. Like this, like this, you're a number yeah, you literally nah.

Speaker 4 39:35

But you know I've always said you know, don't get it wrong. See, if you're in a job where the literally the pay outweighs the work rate, fucking hold it down.

Speaker 1 39:45

Graph what you need yeah, I'm not saying every nine to five is a bad job.

Speaker 3 39:47

I'm saying get what you need to get.

Speaker 4 39:48

Save what you need to save and make sure you want to do something in the long run. If it's the other way around, get the fuck out of there bro.

Speaker 1 39:53

And also if you enjoy it and you love it and you love waking up every day and going to do it cool. Do it Me. It was driving me crazy. Sat at a desk watching the clock.

Speaker 4 40:04

You see what you need people like them to have people like us A hundred percent, and that's what I'd be grateful for, and that's the actually unfortunate balance in it Without people that want to work, that nine to five are happy with that wage, are happy with them, hours you won't have, because if everyone was fucking self-employed, who the fuck would buy a food? Yeah, a hundred percent. Who would buy a food? Corner shop would never be open. Exactly, buy a food? Corner shop would never be open. Exactly. So it's a balance, isn't it? It's a balance of life, isn't?

Speaker 1 40:30

it balance healthy balance.

Speaker 5 40:33

Come on, do you think romance is dead and people can have genuine, actual relationships now? Because in this world it seems like everything is very fast foodish.

Speaker 4 40:47

It's going down rapid?

Speaker 1 40:50

yeah, I think it does exist, and I'll tell you what exists, because definitely exists in my heart, so it's got to exist in other people's hearts and I feel like people that have um, that have morality built within them, that operate out of morals, and that people that have god in their heart as well. I feel like, yes, it does exist, but I feel like the general population, the general way that things be going, I think no. I thought they said it's going to be like the highest percentage ever women from age 20 um 23 to like 35 or something that have no kids. It's the highest rate ever.

Speaker 5 41:24

I'm pretty sure, like we're not even at a rate where we can repopulate the same or something like that it's crazy we're at a point where, when a few more generations die, yeah, there won't be enough generations left to actually to repopulate.

Speaker 4 41:38

I feel there is truth in it, there is still some belief, but what's happening is that the people that do believe the very small majority in it. So it's like they keep stumbling, stumbling upon people that don't believe in that shit, and so it's like they keep stumbling, stumbling upon, stumbling upon people that don't believe in that shit and yeah, it's only it's only fucking up that small majority.

Speaker 4 41:57

So then once they keep getting, basically it's like it's a repeated cycle in it they're getting fucked up, they're getting fucked up. So once that small little handful die, yeah, it's fucked.

Speaker 5 42:09

It's not looking good.

Speaker 2 42:10

What do you think? I think this generation is genuinely ruined, like the whole social media side of it, like TikTok, you've got all these girls being like I don't trust men, I don't trust women. It's just like a massive battle. Every day I scroll on my For you page. I'm like it's just.

Speaker 1 42:30

There's always some cult in it. It's literally gender's fire, yeah right, and the thing is we need each other. Men and women need each other. Healed men, should I say, and healed women or healing.

Speaker 1 42:36

No one's ever fully healed. We said that yesterday, healing self-aware women and men. They need each other. We need it for the balance of the universe, of the world. You know there was a masculine and feminine energy for a reason that we're supposed to be different, we're supposed to coexist, we're supposed to have different traits and different habits, like that's completely normal. But I, I agree.

Speaker 1 42:55

I just think, like you, know, I feel, I feel once upon a time people used to mind their business and I feel now, everyone's business is everyone's business because a lot of people this is what we said yesterday as well people be online like telling their whole trauma in just a 60 second TikTok video, posting everything, and that's why everyone thinks that they're entitled to say something. And because we've got all these platforms, people can comment what they want without getting banged in the mouth for their fucking disrespect. I think it's just like.

Speaker 4 43:21

Or not even that. Have you naturally ever just spoke to someone and I swear, probably within like the first day you fucking know everything about him?

Speaker 1 43:28

and I'm thinking how are you telling me this? It's mad. It's like if you're going to start seeing someone, you can look them up on social media and find out everything about them, and it's like, what is what's left to? Like?

Speaker 4 43:41

you know almost, like discover each other, but then, at the same time, when you say that sometimes social media is a facade and you have to remember, they're just showing you what they want you to see of course, it's always like it's a 50-50 in it.

Speaker 1 43:55

Grey areas, isn't it?

Speaker 2 43:57

I'd never, ever post my girlfriend on social media purely because the fact that if someone gets into it like they can ruin your whole relationship people hate to see people happy and when I was young, when I was like 18, 19, I was that bitch, why not post me?

Speaker 1 44:11

why not post me? I'm not being posted, but I don't want to post my girl. Don't post my girl and I'd be like so you're hiding me, so you're cheating. Uh, now that I am, listen now now that I am older. Yeah, I would never post my never you know, what it is.

Speaker 4 44:24

Are you crazy? Them bitches out, there be waiting for you to post a man, you see, like you like, you see, if you're out with your girl in real life or you're out with your man in real life, yo, I'm not saying that should be enough, but yo, we're in real fucking life though. Yeah, what makes a difference of me posting a fucking picture?

Speaker 1 44:43

It makes no fucking it matters here, bro, or they're on Instagram and they're constantly posting like oh my God, I love you so much. I've got this couple on Facebook, yeah, and every single day they'll post like oh my God, I love you so much and I'm like bro, just turn to your missus and say I love you so much, like, why do you put it online?

Speaker 4 45:03

and then she you both live in the da da, da, da, da, da. Two weeks later, miserable.

Speaker 1 45:07

Yeah, they're miserable pictures are gone because who are they proving?

Speaker 4 45:10

that they're happy to. Pictures are gone. Now I'm manning my seat. Where's that man?

Speaker 5 45:14

gone straight in the DM. There's so many love stories that happen on Instagram. Youtube he's mad 100%.

Speaker 1 45:21

Goldie's monitoring, monitoring spirits, monitoring people. They're waiting. They're waiting pre you all the time.

Speaker 4 45:27

Yeah, it's mental stuff.

Speaker 5 45:28

Right, so another question. Yeah, don't hit me If women are so hypergamous. Why are there so many single women?

Speaker 1 45:35

If women are so.

Speaker 5 45:36

Hypergamous.

Speaker 1 45:37

Can you break down that word for me so?

Speaker 5 45:38

hypergamous is they go for men who help them, protect them. They go for the best men. Things of that nature men things about nature.

Speaker 1 45:55

I think it's because, um, when you're young, yeah, you, you don't, you don't think maturely, so you, you, you go for the wrong person. You learn the hard mistakes and then you got issues. But the same way, you see, like men, when they're younger they'll get their heart broken by a woman when they're young. That shit might take them fucking 40 years to get over. They might not never get over that shit. It's like they get their first heartbreak. Changes, changes that man.

Speaker 4 46:15

Most men have had their heart broken. You've just made a dog.

Speaker 1 46:19

Yeah. They're not coming back Listen, every man has a dog in them. It's just where it's trained. No, no, no.

Speaker 4 46:26

What I'm not coming back from the heartbreak?

Speaker 1 46:28

They don't, and that's why that they're then.

Speaker 1 46:30

They're just like fuck it, I'm going to do my thing, these you know, empty, like they don't want deep connection. But I think it's because, like you go through a lot because you don't know what you want, you think you want something and you don't, and then you have to go through the trials and tribulations. You go through a lot to learn what you, what you don't want. Look, and I, like I said I used to view uh sorry, I used to view it differently, like when I was younger, when I'd say I'm looking for masculinity, someone to protect me. I viewed that differently and I searched for it in things that I thought these men, you know, because they're like actual big and stuff that they're going to protect me and they're manly, but they're actually not, and that I was looking for it in the wrong sort of place and and when you get older you realise actually that's where the power lies in a man and that sort of thing. Yeah, what were you going to say, sorry?

Speaker 4 47:14

Fucking rough Sorry. I'll try and catch myself back now, I'd probably say people are probably not willing to compromise, like, I feel you've got to be realistic in it when you, when you're speaking to someone doing it yeah like there might be certain things that you probably don't agree with.

Speaker 1 47:38

Probably certain things you do agree with you're never gonna agree, you're never gonna 100 agree, and everything in it.

Speaker 4 47:43

So you've got to look at it and say, all right, cool, does the situation make sense to me? What? What am I willing to compromise? Am I?

Speaker 1 47:52

And you're never going to find everything in one person either. You're never, ever, ever going to find it. There's always going to be a few things that aren't, but that's that's got to be, I think, what people like man will be looking for something.

Speaker 4 48:06

we're never going to fill every single thing that they might be looking for but I said this is a true thing, and men don't shoot me car fuck it, we just gotta get the girl in the open.

Speaker 1 48:14

Man, I got shot he's dropping a T for the girls.

Speaker 4 48:17

It's a situation where the reason why certain men will probably have multiple girls is because, as I said, it comes down to let and man possesses in it and unfortunately, them five traits are in three females. She's got two, she's got, and so forth and so forth. So you've got to look at it like right, I've got three girls, she does this, she does that, she does this. But, as I said, you've got to compromise because realistically, they're not going to stand for that that you've got three. Sacrifice this to this, this for that and this for this, isn't it? So that's why some people do have multiple, because they can't find it in one person.

Speaker 1 48:53

as I said, you're never, going to find it in one person women do that as well, but I feel like women do it um with, like their exes, so they will meet someone that they fall in love with, and then every guy they're then comparing to this one person they love, where they're not going to have all the traits of that one guy, because that is him and these are the other people. So I feel like women have like that same logic, but just in a different sort of avenue. But yeah, I agree with that. What do you think?

Speaker 2 49:16

I don't know, like you said literally, about how multiple women they've all got their different things to it. Like when I look for a girl now I'd look I'm not going to mention any names in it but like, say, I had my last girl, I'd look at the new one being like, have you got that? No, you don't. Now I just get multiple girls in one go and they've all got like pros and cons so I can just I feel like I'd never settle down because I just can't find that sort of right person.

Speaker 1 49:42

But you just said you want wife and kids.

Speaker 2 49:44

Yeah, but I mean right now I'm struggling. Probably I'd want wife and kids later on down the line, but it's that finding that right person is so hard do you think your career is going to affect you? Trying to find this wife and kids that you want. I've met so many girls and they've been like ugh, you do. Oh yeah, I'm just like darling, I don't like I ain't that bad. You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 50:04

I'm not really bothered, I'd never stop a job for a girl. Wait, wait, wait. You just said you're not Right, it's bad. Now, trust me.

Speaker 1 50:12

See, you're not really bothered.

Speaker 5 50:14

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 50:14

But then what you're saying is, all the women you see that could be a wife to you are like no, because you're doing anything.

Speaker 2 50:20

I go for Barbies like women, who are like clammed up in that like yeah and that.

Speaker 1 50:25

So all the women that you're seeing as a wife, they're like no, because you do only fence.

Speaker 2 50:29

This is the thing, what my head's ruined. So the girls I go for right are Barbie dolls them type of girls I'd never wife off because I would not trust them. I feel like they're just there for fun. But the wife, the wife I'm looking for, wouldn't be a 10, should be like probably a six. But then, right now, I want my Barbie girls, okay so you're not.

Speaker 5 50:53

You're not ready to settle down, basically yeah, but then I want a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 50:56

Like my head's ruined, I'm just, I'm stuck.

Speaker 5 51:00

I think for now, forget about wanting a girlfriend. I think because of the job that you're doing, yeah, it's got you a bit twisted, so I'm not going to lie to you.

Speaker 4 51:09

You're not ready, man. You're up on your doing your thing innit, and until you're fully ready you're like I'm not ready to go into that. There's more probably not going. Yeah, just try to continue on the barber thing innit.

Speaker 5 51:18

And I'll say be mindful because, like, even though you don't know it, you're battling with yourself right now so you need to think about yourself. You're not.

Speaker 1 51:38

You're not. No, because you're not, because it's literally never too late for anything, any minor change, any massive change and any sort of thing at all. Do you know what I'm saying? But just being aware. I think of like it's not okay.

Speaker 4 51:50

Let's be real. You've just got to go through the motions of life. How old are you? 19, nearly 20. You can't go through the motions of life.

Speaker 2 51:56

That's what it is like it's not about being cooked.

Speaker 4 51:59

It's not about being cooked 19 bro, like going 20 bro, you've got a lot go through that's all it is like.

Speaker 5 52:09

Again, you ain't doing anything that no one else has done. Obviously I'm not comparing, but like everyone's done stuff they ain't proud of oh yeah, of course do you get what I'm saying, all we're saying, is get your bag.

Speaker 5 52:21

If you want to get your bag, concentrate on that. Don't try and do multiple things at one time. At this moment in time, you want to collect your bag in the way that you want to do it cool, forget the wife, forget the kids, forget the girls, just do your thing, because you know let's be real there's a lot of people in relationships right now that are not fucking happy and you know why they're not fucking happy because they got into a relationship and they stopped doing what they were doing exactly so you see, the minute you get into a situation, you stop doing what you're doing, you stop your dreams.

Speaker 4 52:49

you're going to be a miserable motherfucker Because you're not living their life. You're not living your life and how many people have gone through that where they've got into a situation their dreams are to go travel in the very rare you've got with someone that's not a traveler.

Speaker 1 53:04

Make it make fucking sense. I agree. I think only like word of advice is because we've just sat and talked about like is love alive? Is love dead? Do people want marriage? And we've got a guy that's sat here. That's like I want a wife and kids. And then two men in the room just sat there and said forget about the fucking wife and kids and get your bag right now I feel no, no, no, and I get why you're saying and why you've said that.

Speaker 1 53:25

But I also feel like if that's something, you is one there that you do want there is no harm in in just considering, like, your options. And, and you know I'm saying, if that's something that you know you want in your future, make sure that it can still be part of your future one day. I'd say ladies.

Speaker 4 53:41

Yeah, I think the only reason why I said that is because no, I get.

Speaker 1 53:44

Yeah, you need to get it yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 53:47

I just said the's like oh, you do what ref? Now let's be real, if you're not over it, you're going to go back to it. So then it's always going to be a 50-50 where it's a jeopardised way. That's something you love doing. Right now. She don't like you doing that, hmm. So what else am I meant?

Speaker 1 54:04

to do make sure that it is your dream. Also, don't completely wipe away that from you. If that's something that your heart wants, you want a wife and you want kids just don't take it away from you. I wouldn't want to get married now anymore.

Speaker 2 54:20

I feel like getting married now is just a status. People just get married say's nothing to it anymore. The divorce rate's like 70% or something Like. I'm scared of that.

Speaker 4 54:31

You know what's mad? I don't think people generally take marriage into account. Marriage is a fucking business, bro. Facts Marriage ain't about fucking love, bro Deepak. Marriage is. It's a fucking business. Like going back. However far normal, normal, everyday people did not get married. Marriage was to keep certain things in line. We're talking about marriage as a band of men.

Speaker 5 54:55

When people are getting divorced.

Speaker 4 54:57

What's the first argument?

Speaker 1 54:58

How much am?

Speaker 4 54:59

I getting.

Speaker 1 55:00

Word I would say like now it is, I would say, where obviously I have a relationship with God. So for me, when I think of marriage, I'm thinking of covenant with another man. You know what I'm saying. Like, like, pure, that that's what you're entering into. Like, basically, you're sacrificing it's a sacrifice to to be in this. You kill your old self to be a wife type type thing.

Speaker 5 55:21

But um fuck, I forgot my second, my follow-on point from that well, I understand what you mean because there's different types of marriages, the business types, a lot of the people that we look at and we see it's a business transition because when you're a male and you're married it opens a lot more doors than it does when you don't. 60% of the CEOs out there are married men. Why? Because they seem stable. I guarantee you that married man, as we've seen this week is going raffles is going this place is going.

Speaker 5 55:55

that place has different wives and children everywhere. So yeah, and there's genuine people who are married because they love the person I was about to say.

Speaker 1 56:02

I think it's what you're exposed to as well, because, like I grew up, my parents are married. You know they're still married, but they've been through some shit. The reason they're still together is because of love. It's not about money. They didn't come from money, nothing like that. So I think, like because I've grown up with that, I would say that's my go-to answer. But, 100% right in what you're saying.

Speaker 4 56:22

See the old school shit.

Speaker 2 56:23

That's real old You're giving me like the news critics For me now and like my age group, like I don't hear anyone, You're hooked your age group.

Speaker 1 56:34

Your age group is the madness. This is what.

Speaker 2 56:37

I mean Like I don't hear anyone in my age group saying I can't wait to get married or anything like that. I don't hear like anywhere. But then I was speaking to my dad the other day and he was like all of his mates are married.

Speaker 1 56:51

Everything like so common. It's because it's what you did, isn't?

Speaker 2 56:52

it like like even now I've met loads of like 30 year old birds. Right, they're single, don't have kids, they aren't married. But I know like when my parents were 30, they were married. I have kids, don't?

Speaker 1 57:05

I mean listen, my mom had six children. She was finished by the time she was fucking 30. So it's's like it's talking cheese now. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 57:12

And you know why? It's because, like everyone, because women can get a job that a man used to take.

Speaker 1 57:18

And also, I think, like accessibility as well. Like we were kind of saying before, we're kind of just stuck to our hometown, like, if we're going back before social media, what you got your home. Like if we're going back before social media, what you got your home, you go out, you meet someone, you then wait in to call them on a weekend or something like that, whereas now online you've got access to everyone all over the country, all over the world at the same time, and it's just like no wonder people aren't picking and we're not people because your selection is so wide but everyone thinks they've got options but they ain't real options.

Speaker 4 57:46

You know what it is. It's a matter of people thinking they've got options. You haven't you haven't got options it's not options, it's just they want to do what they want to do. So you keep it a fuck million 100%, 100%, as mad as it sounds that's the fucking reality, you know.

Speaker 1 58:02

I feel like if you got, if you got something good in this day and age to hold, you have to hold on to that shit for dear life because it's it's so rare. I did see a statistic the other day and it said like um, divorce rate 80 percent lower in couples that pray together on a daily basis. And I was just like that for me. That gave me hope.

Masculinity and Emotional Struggles

Speaker 2 58:23

I was just like okay is that religion, though, because you, with religion, like it's a lot more serious than it with marriages and that just said praying.

Speaker 1 58:30

I don't know what religion, whether it's all religion, anything like that. I just know that couples who pray together the divorce rate over 80% less. I think it's like 84% or something, but it's mad if you get a statistic wrong, they like to call. But yeah, that gave a little hope for me because I wouldn't class myself as religious. I don't really believe in the whole religion aspect, but connected to God, connected to the source, that's what. Connected to love. You know what I'm saying? God is love.

Speaker 4 58:57

So would you like to be married one day?

Speaker 1 58:59

I would love to be married one day, absolutely love to. I do already have a child and I homeschool and I'd like to have more children and homeschool all my babies how old, are you 26, so?

Speaker 4 59:11

a question like what does like? What would marriage like, solidify to you?

Speaker 1 59:14

then I'd be married what, what would it like me? Like I said, like covenancy, like like that. I see my parents, they've been together, it's it's them, everything is them like, they're a unit, they they're literally like and don't get me wrong like my parents crazy and it's, they're not all parts of their marriage and what I hope with my future. Like you see, what you do when you don't want, but having someone that would absolutely always has your back, always, regardless. They have your back. Like you're in it together and you haven't got to question on their morals and being just, it's just real I'm saying real, you know where you stand, yeah yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 59:50

You just know where you are, who you stand and that they have you back and that you're in it. You're in it for the long run, yeah, and you know that my family would be protected. You know, die for your family, type shit. Yeah, that's what it should be. It's just rare. It's just rare these days.

Speaker 4 1:00:11

Like a fucking Pokemon.

Speaker 1 1:00:13

Rarest Pokemon.

Speaker 5 1:00:16

Right, so this is the last few questions. Anyway. If traditional masculinity is so important, why do so many particular men struggle emotionally and relationally so in relationships essentially Want to repeat that? Yeah, give me a breakdown.

Speaker 1 1:00:36

Yeah, just repeat it again.

Speaker 5 1:00:38

So if traditional masculine men are so important, why do they struggle emotionally and in in relationships at times?

Speaker 1 1:00:53

I mean one. I'm not a man, but what's your point of view?

Speaker 5 1:00:56

my point of view, I would say I'd say, like you get some men.

Speaker 1 1:01:00

They come from a family where, like they, they ain't ever allowed to cry like it's that. That's the thing it's. It's how they're brought up. Yeah, they're not in tune emotionally. They've not been allowed to be emotional, so they're, like it's, foreign to them.

Speaker 4 1:01:14

I think to try to hit that nail on the head is like if that hasn't been taught or that hasn't been an upbringing or an experience you've experienced.

Speaker 4 1:01:23

You're probably not going to know how to express your feelings, express your emotions and, as I said, everyone's been brought differently. Everyone's been, everyone's had a different upbringing and it's all. Yeah, if you haven't naturally grew around or had parents that kind of sit down and talk to you or and dissect certain feelings and certain emotions, then you're going to grow to a certain age you've not known how to express that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:01:46

I feel like, if you haven't sorry, I'm sorry no, probably just dealing with it the way you think, the way you're meant to deal with it. You can believe it's probably not the best way to deal with it. You know what I?

Speaker 1 1:01:54

mean I feel like in a relationship with the woman, if you haven't got a woman that's nurturing and can be a safe because a man to be able to like start to show that then they're not, they're not going in and I feel them sort of things though like females need to be very mindful how they speak to males, and it's not because they're like are you being a bitch?

Speaker 4 1:02:21

it's not being a bitch like if you say I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but you could trigger a man by saying a certain thing 100%. He's going to say that thinking I'm never opening my mouth. Oh, fuck it.

Speaker 1 1:02:31

yeah, I'm never opening my mouth yeah, and I've probably done that to a man when I was younger. Before I used to have a very harsh tongue, very, very harsh tongue, and it took me a while to realise you've got to speak to the king in your man, always, always speak to them like that and yeah.

Speaker 2 1:02:54

I don't even know. You know, like I feel like people do bottle it up a lot more now. But yeah, women could like be quite hard on men, like keeping the lead. Like I've got a few mates like they won't be allowed out to see like their other boy mates, because the girl or the woman or whatever is so like strict on them. And then I've got one mate that she cries at home because his bird just does not let him see us.

Speaker 1 1:03:20

yeah, oh, I know he feels that, but then that goes back to what we were saying before. You've now got with someone that hasn't got a safe space for you, yeah obviously.

Speaker 4 1:03:30

Why are you with that person?

Speaker 1 1:03:31

obviously she's got emotional issues as well.

Speaker 2 1:03:33

I? I'd never let a song control me like that. That's mental bro.

Speaker 1 1:03:36

No, it's not natural for a woman to control a man like that. I feel like if anyone should have the control, it should be the man. Because this might sound toxic, yeah, but no, because I, low-key, want my man to be a bit controlling, like, not like off the board, but if I was out not that I would wild out and he has to tame me. Do you know what I'm saying? Like I'm not searching for a man to tame me, but say if, like, I stepped out of line and he isn't trying to, then you don't care. That you know I'm saying, then you don't.

Speaker 1 1:04:10

Like, I want to know how you want me to dress, because if you're not trying to tell me, then you don't care, like I want you to be, to do you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 1:04:17

Like, if they're like a not jealous, but like just see, but that's mad though, because then it's like some man would try to treat a girl like that and she's not going to fucking absolutely, but, as I said, there's a small majority that people want to be treated like that, but I feel this is where it goes wrong now, by men not communicating.

Speaker 1 1:04:36

You can't treat every female like that yeah, and I mean I was never always like that. You know, I'm saying you, you've got to go through the process like it took me when I became self-aware of my own, the own bad roles that I was playing in relationships and what my issues were, and realizing that if I don't fix these I'm never going to get a better version of the guy and I'm just going to be in these cycles. That's when you start to break out of it and you start to to grow up a bit. But when I was younger, definitely I mean like I would still say I'm a bit crazy sometimes, but I am a girl, we're allowed, we're emotional. You're always going to think we're crazy because you guys don't work off emotion. That's why you think all women are crazy, because you guys guys work off logic. So when we're acting emotional, you're just like fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 1:05:17

So then the question is do you think females could ever work off logic?

Speaker 1 1:05:21

yeah, I feel like we can, but I feel like when we're in in the moment, in the emotion, I feel like it's a lot stronger. We'll have more of an emotional reaction, but I feel like women can be very rational and logical at times. But I feel like if you want to find that moment not while there's like- an emotion striking not an emotional scenario that makes sense but saying that, not in this emotional scenario.

Speaker 1 1:05:44

I feel like in a crisis I'd fucking save the world. Like cry after. Do you know what I'm saying? Like three working days to process and then I'll, then I'll lose my head alright.

Speaker 5 1:05:55

So the last question I've got here do you think, do you think this over sexualised world now is taking the fun out sex in relationships itself? So the over sexualisation of everything in this current climate isn't taking the fun out of sex in relationships is it? Affecting sex in the relationship that you have okay.

Speaker 1 1:06:19

Well, everyone speaks and say but I don't think it has to be your personal opinion.

Speaker 1 1:06:24

It doesn't affect like my sex life personally, but I can see how it might. I feel like a lot of. I feel like a lot of like intimacy is lost because of how you log on and there's just like softball and every scroll. You know what I'm saying. It's like you can't. Your brain is low-key, being sexually stimulated all the time. So I feel like everyone to an extent. If you got a phone and you'd be on for you page or explore page on instagram, you'd be in. Your brain is low-key, being fed some sexualized content. So I don't know.

Speaker 5 1:06:56

I feel like, so you said it doesn't affect you doesn't.

Speaker 1 1:06:59

It doesn't affect, like, my sex life. But I mean, the thing is I've been seeing someone for ages and I'm not seeing anyone, so I don't so you know it's hard to kind of like sound like I'm fresh in it basically. So I'm like yeah, but it's yeah, I don't know, I think that just depends on your person.

Speaker 4 1:07:15

Yeah, it depends on. It depends on the individual, it depends on your state of mind, isn't it?

Speaker 1 1:07:19

If you're a really over-hypersexualised girl with a really hypersexualised guy. I'd probably imagine it does affect you both in some way if you're both out doing crazy hypersexualised shit all the time.

Speaker 4 1:07:28

So, basically it doesn't. I'd say, if you're easily influenced, then yeah, yeah, but if you've got comments, that I like fresh meat.

Speaker 2 1:07:39

I think something that's got massive. Now is it swinging? Oh yeah yeah, like that is swinging what's that swinging? Is that where the partners swap over?

Speaker 1 1:07:47

they've been swinging for ages. They've been swinging. For ages they've been swinging it's got way big.

Speaker 2 1:07:52

There's an app called field, right, and some guy told me to download. I met him in the spa. He was like oh yeah, got a really high like sex drive and I was like how are you doing this? You're like 50 years old. And he was like download this app, field.

Speaker 1 1:08:05

It's literally how did you get onto that conversation? It's a long story one fucking second back it up. How did you get onto that conversation?

Speaker 2 1:08:12

we just sat in and he was just talking to me on there and it was like, yeah, I want this Two guys sitting in a hot tub. No, it was other people in there, don't worry, I promise you. But yeah, it's basically this app. It's just like people that just want corn, that's all it is. And yeah, there's loads of partners on there who just want one extra person or two extra people To go join. Yeah To like get involved with it.

Speaker 1 1:08:37

I'm just like I think they had loads of different apps back in the day, because I remember when I was at school there was like this girl and her mom was seen on a swingers app or something and it was just like, like it was. It was just a thing, you know when shit happens. It was just a thing in school, but like a girl's mom was, but that was like 15 years ago, so they've been around for a hot sec.

Speaker 2 1:08:58

It's weird.

Speaker 1 1:08:59

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:08:59

Swingers, or did she just be modernized?

Speaker 1 1:09:02

They're more time they don't even say swinging, no more do they. They say open relationship. They say polyamorous or whatever it is Okay.

Speaker 5 1:09:09

So the conclusion is no effect here.

Speaker 4 1:09:14

No, that's all.

Speaker 1 1:09:14

Makes sense. Makes sense Not in this room? I guess not in this room. Yeah, I think each their own. For that one, it's definitely a subjective answer.

Speaker 5 1:09:24

Cool, that's everything for me anyway.

Speaker 1 1:09:26

Alright, beautiful you guys want to plug your social media. Let us know how you think the show went and let all the viewers know where they can thank you so much for having me on the show today.

Speaker 2 1:09:37

My Instagram's at Haxxy, h-a-x-z-y and my TikTok is AntisocialHaz.

Speaker 1 1:09:42

Thank you so much how did you think the show went today?

Speaker 2 1:09:44

really really good.

Speaker 4 1:09:45

It was an interesting chat stuff on the end, sir appreciate the love every time Chef Walla Walla Street Food on Snap Insta TikTok, fucking Insta, tiktok, fucking sorry. Youtube as well, literally saying Wall Street food Show today. Yeah, very interesting yeah thank you.

Speaker 1 1:10:03

Decent flow of conversation, yeah, I thought it's been a really good one. I've really enjoyed today. So thank you guys for coming so long though.

Speaker 5 1:10:08

Appreciate you, man, for hosting as well.

Speaker 1 1:10:10

Thank you. Thank you, yeah, if you guys want to see what I am, inksbaby on YouTube, youtube. If there's anyone I care about, let's go, yeah, man road to 100k road to 100k. Alright, if you haven't already, make sure you turn the subscribe button to subscribe to subscribe to subscribe to and Lee's also writing and releasing a book called Don't Be Simple. So if you want to be like Lee, go for it. I mean free will, farewell.